5 Reasons Your Game Sucks

This list contains what I believe are the most common problems that guys have after being in the game for about a year.

1. You’re still too needy. While you’ve made quite a bit of headway with accepting rejection, you’re still hoping that girls will like you, respond to your text messages, and not flake. For every new girl you meet, you care more about her than she does about you, and I guarantee you she can feel that. You’ll have to be more “cold,” fighting the early stages of attachment to her before she shows affection first.

2. You’re not approaching enough. Your approaches are spaced so far apart that your progress is slower than it should be. You still wait for perfect moments and make fancy excuses on why you shouldn’t do the tough approaches. Sometimes you sit on your hands waiting for a Christmas miracle, expecting not to put in hard work to get what you want. One day you will get to the point where you don’t have to work as hard to get laid, but you’re not there yet, so you must keep approaching in high numbers.

3. You use alcohol as a crutch. You think you’re putting out tight game when you drink heavily, but your boys don’t have the heart to tell you that you’re not. You’re still counting on a few drinks to loosen you up, meaning you’re missing not only approaches that could’ve taken place early in the night but day approaches as well. If I told you that alcohol would be banned from the world and you respond by freaking out, you’re depending on it more than you should.

4. You’re still putting pussy on the pedestal. Even though you’re well aware that you shouldn’t put pussy on the pedestal, you still fantasize about having a dream girl to snuggle with on those cold winter nights. You think many of your problems in life will be solved if you can forge a magical connection with that cute girl-next-door. You hope that one day you could end all this game business and just “be yourself,” whatever that means. This ensures that you overvalue every girl you meet and put out bad game as a result. The more worthless you think of the female species and the less you fantasize about your dream girl, the more likely you will find and successfully game her. The fantasy you should have to get your ideal girl should be choking and butt-fucking her, not having a romantic walk with her on a beautiful beach underneath a full moon.

5. Your appearance has not yet reached its potential. You’ve been lazy about optimizing your look. That’s nice that you’ve recently bought a new belt with a large buckle, but for the most part you look the same as you did two years ago. Are you absolutely sure that your current look will get you the best responses for the types of venues that you usually approach women in? Are you sure you’ve lost the extra pounds that would help make women consider your body “athletic” instead of “average?” It takes methodical experimentation with different hair, clothing, and muscle combinations to discover the appearance that gets you laid the most.

The solutions that will take your game to the next level are building your confidence to lofty heights, devaluing pussy, making the law of averages your god, and experimenting until there’s nothing left to experiment with. Until then you will only see average returns from your game investment.

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I think too many guys focus their logic and reason on micro-behaviors (what do I say?) and not on the macro-behaviors that you have lined out in this post.

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Great post. There is a fine line between approaching/showing interest and not being too needy. If I’m too cool I don’t close.. If I’m too keen, I don’t close.

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6. You’re still too young and you’re clinging to disbelief.

I can not express how much I adhere to the belief that some — most? — guys just mature really late. I’ve watched the same guys stumble through a lack of self confidence through their entire 20s no matter what I’ve said or done to try to get them to trust themselves, only to watch them blossom when they hit 31.

Guys: believe in yourself, put yourself on a pedestal, need no one, drink for pleasure and self-celebration not drunkenness and to hide any emptiness, and don’t let yourself get fat and weak. It’s all about believing that you’re a good that is in high demand, and the rest will fall into place.

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Precisely. Agreed 100% – this is cornerstone advice.

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great

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It just comes down to practice. Keep practicing and your flaws self-correct.

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#5 is true as bells, Before I put on 30 shit was breeze. Guys who say looks don’t matter are delusional

Great post

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http://cheetarah1980.blogspot.com/2011/06/couldve-had-v8.html

check this out, inside a woman’s head. In my experience, black women tend to be the most calculative and manipulative, second would be an Indian women

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i’m definitely phasing out booze – it fucks up the delivery of my stories

i feel very proud of myself that i can get numbers stone cold sober while my wingman needs 8 drinks in him before he even tries

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This hits home more than I like…having been serious about game for a year and a half now, and going through both hot streaks and dry spells, these points are dead on for what’s stopping me now.

The “you’re not approaching enough” is especially relevant…when I first went out I’d shotgun approaches and got fearless without getting much results for my efforts a while, then when I started getting solid numbers and lays, I got lazy about heavy approaching and fell back to waiting for the right moment. Time to fix that.

On #5, I had the same thought and started working hard on my look a few months ago, and I’m already seeing the benefits. Dropping a few pounds, toning up, and getting some tighter-fitting shirts makes a difference. Next up, working on drinking less…

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nice post

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Are you still stuck in that dead end cubicle soul sucking job of yours? Save up for year, quit that job and game full time.

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Excellent post. “Choking and butt-fucking . . .” LOL! I love it. True, putting the pussy on a pedastal fucks up everything. They simply do not respond as well.

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shit man, you’re reading my mind. I’ve made some good headway and am pretty accustomed to going out solo but I’m still coming across as needy and my pleasant demeanor is not helping.
I can get numbers in the day but nightclub game is still my primary pickup method – I need to transition over quick as this is not a wise investment.
I stopped drinking for 2 months and now I’ve noticed my drinking quantities creep up. I know I can do w/o the stuff (had my first club makeout completely sober) but I’ve fallen back into old ways.
My appearance def needs work, I’ve lost 20 pounds since college and I was already pretty slender then – working alot and working out less.
All in all, I feel more confident but I still havent stuck my dick inside a vagina since february so the numbers speak for themselves. Much more improvement needed. Thanks for pointing these out

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Tightness. Excellent post. The frame here is implicit inner game. It takes time, dedication, and thought to continually optimize your look, for one, and for making continual approaches for another. I feel confident in the other areas. After quitting drinking for while, then going back, it seems it actually dulls my game.

Oh, and I’m stoked for the podcast. Fuckin’ A this will be cool.

My suggestion for the title of the show:

“Uncle Roosh’s Audio Redpill Extravaganza”

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Guilty of at least 1.5 of these. Good post.

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Roosh, any plans on writing a book on Speed-banging?

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“The fantasy you should have to get your ideal girl should be choking and butt-fucking her, not having a romantic walk with her on a beautiful beach underneath a full moon.”

Way ahead of you buddy.

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This blog is hilarious! Tips on getting laid as if it has anything to do with what the guy does! If a girl goes out wanting to get laid, she will pick a guy and do him no matter what he says/does/looks like..And you guys keep spending money buying books, and worshiping this guy’s advice, and blaming yourselves if you don’t get laid or coming in here bragging if you do as if it has something to do with you! I find it sad and funny at the same time..

Still, there’s been a bunch of posts in here that were interesting, nothing any normal 33 year old wouldn’t know though..So I’m guessing most comments come from younger guys. I’ll be visiting to see if you come up with what’s the best plan for later in life, I’m curious. Till then, enjoy!

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Hey guys i responded to a typical North American cunt’s blog, below is her blog and after that my comment to it you guys tell me what you think:

Could’ve Had a V8
“I think you should have lunch with him.”
I stared at Chesty LaRue through squinted eyes, surprised by her declaration. I gave her the rundown on the man who just extended me an invitation via email to lunch the next afternoon. I’d met him on OKCupid. He seemed nice enough and wasn’t bad looking. However, he was on the short side and wasn’t particularly vibrant or interesting. However, this was his second request to meet and I really had no reason to turn him down.
“At the very least, you get a free meal,” she reasoned.
Free meal. That sealed it. I emailed him back and agreed to meet him at a restaurant about 15 minutes from my home. The menu looked decent. I could eat well and still stick to my “don’t eat (too much) crap” diet. I wasn’t excited to meet him, but what could it hurt to give him a chance. Besides, in my experience instant sparks have a tendency to spontaneously combust. As I’ve gotten older I’ve stopped making snap judgments about my interest level based solely on first impressions. However, when I pulled into the parking lot and saw a man with a familiar face dressed in denim shorts, an oversized t-shirt, and dusty sneakers paired with high white socks I got the sinking feeling that my first impression radar was right on.

I found him at the bar ordering a beer. When he opened his mouth to say hello a slight discoloration on his front tooth caught my eye. As the conversation meandered from the jobs he’d lost over the years to the progress of the relationship advice book he’s writing I kept staring at that tooth. It had a slight inward slant. The dimly lit bar area prevented me from determining whether the tooth was tinted gray or simply clouded by tartar.

The ring of his phone distracted me from the tooth analysis. He glanced at the number flashing across the screen, turned back to me and said, “Bill collectors, hmph,” with a smirk that seemed to invite me to commiserate. I guess I was supposed to view the bill collectors as the culprits since it’s totally unreasonable to expect bills to be paid on time, if at all. How dare they pester him for money he owes them! I offered up a tight lipped smile and nearly burst a blood vessel to suppress my eye roll reflex.

At that moment I was ready for the check. However, since I’d only gotten a water with lemon I still needed to actually make a check. I suggested we get a table. The sooner we ate the sooner I could make my escape. “So tell me something new,” he asked, his mouth full of cheesy crab dip. The interview portion is always my favorite portion of any date. It’s especially enjoyable when the questions are completely vague with no context. When I asked him what he meant by new he relayed the details of my life I’d divulged earlier but somehow managed to get them wrong. He said, “Well I know you really enjoy your job. Tell me something about you that I don’t know.” Umm, dude you don’t even know what I just told you 40 minutes ago! I told you that I’m okay with my job but that I can’t say that I truly enjoy it.

My eyes scanned the room for the waitress, willing our entrees to arrive. If I heard one more word about his broken down car I was liable to thrust my fork into my left temple. When my grilled tilapia and mashed potatoes arrived I dove into my plate. He ate his salad and continued to talk while I continued to pray that our waitress would just drop off the check. When my prayers were answered the waitress placed the check between us.
“So what do you have planned for the rest of the day?” he asked. I quickly rattled off a long list of errands and hoped he’d accept my “busy day” at face value. After several more minutes he reached for the check, effectively pulling the plug on the date and obliging my silent request. I’d known for over an hour that there would not be a date #2. However, my decision was sealed when I glanced at the credit card receipt and saw that he left a $5 tip on a $42 bill. Unemployment and bill collectors are one thing, but bad tipping is unexcusable.

On my drive home I called Chesty LaRue and berated her for convincing me to take a chance on that man. I know that I’m supposed to be more open to men to whom I might not initially be drawn. However, struggling to stay polite and semi-engaged through awkward conversation as evidence of incompatibility is heaped upon my head is draining. True, I wouldn’t know for sure whether or not he’s a dud unless we went out. Plus at the very least I get fed just for taking that chance. While I am a huge proponent of dating for food, I’m realizing that there’s a point of diminishing returns. Yeah, I got fed but I also lost over 2 hours of my Sunday afternoon. That’s 2 hours I could have been napping, researching schools, catching up on General Hospital, tweezing my underarm hair or dozens of more productive activities. Shit, I could’ve had a V8.

My response to her bullshit:

Suave said…
What a low down dirty bitch, your the reason most men skip north american bitches like you. Cheap ass hoe, a prostitute on the corner is more honest then you and I have more respect for her, at least that transaction is hones both parties are aware of the exchange. You definitely convinced me no more dinner date’s, better recognize hoe’s, like Michael Jackson said this is it!!!

Monday, October 10, 2011 2:04:00 PM

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AB Dada what you said is absolutely true for me. Hit 31 recently and feel more confident, good looking then I ever have and that attitude completely changes how everyone responds to you.

Through my early twenties had real low self esteem for NO reason cuz I had alot of awesome things goin for me. Finally am possessing that “inner game” mind set of not needing anything from anyone because
You=inherent value
Others must enter your reality to have any interaction with you.

AB ive really come to appreciate seein your posts anywhere i see em. And Roosh awesome stuff as usual.

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Inner game is what gets you laid. Goes along with #5, sound body, sound mind. If you look good and you know you look good then your confidence shines to everyone. Women can just tell that you are confident.

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Rambo:

Glad you discovered your powerful self at 31, versus most males who go a lifetime subordinate to all.

I can’t repeat it enough to guys who understand game: you can not force it on others, you can’t even demean others who are soft because it will only make them hate your way and they’ll become softer. Lead by example, and then share when people ask you why you’re so blessed with business, women, friends, whatever.

Thanks for the kind comment — it seems so often that I’m hated akin to a troll, but with all anger comes at least a small bit of the opposite.

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I do all five of these still and i started “game” last August. I didn’t fare too well during the night but i’m getting a little bit better i don’t have any friends to bullshit with though my people skills are below average. Anyway, i did my first day approach today, i tried asking a girl about her cell phone she kept on texting pretending she didn’t hear me.

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“This blog is hilarious! Tips on getting laid as if it has anything to do with what the guy does! If a girl goes out wanting to get laid, she will pick a guy and do him no matter what he says/does/looks like..And you guys keep spending money buying books, and worshiping this guy’s advice, and blaming yourselves if you don’t get laid or coming in here bragging if you do as if it has something to do with you! I find it sad and funny at the same time..

Still, there’s been a bunch of posts in here that were interesting, nothing any normal 33 year old wouldn’t know though..So I’m guessing most comments come from younger guys. I’ll be visiting to see if you come up with what’s the best plan for later in life, I’m curious. Till then, enjoy!”

>>>>

Hahaha, you got a point, girl smile

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Roosh, has your appearance reached its full alpha potential yet? How are those workouts coming along? Haven’t seen pics of you in a while…

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WTF is with all these trolls?

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There is something immensely attractive about a man radiating that aura of complete control of himself yet unashamed of his impulses and able to explode with violence at any given moment if he so wills it.

Thats why girls love that vampire character in twilight.

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4+5 That roosh pointed out are spot on.
also the fantasies of choking a bitch+ass fucking her should really be your end game with most of these women out here.
These women today are not worthy of marriage or nice treatment.
Fellas,that is the cold hard truth.

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First, I would like to thank whoever posted the link to my blog on this site. My traffic today has gone up astronomically. So once again, thank you.

Now to respond to those who seem to think that I am a prostitute, a user, manipulative, etc. Please go back and reread what I wrote. Here let me make it easy.
“Besides, in my experience instant sparks have a tendency to spontaneously combust. As I’ve gotten older I’ve stopped making snap judgments about my interest level based solely on first impressions.”

These sentences clearly state that I went out with him in order to see if my initial impression was correct. On countless occasions I have heard men say,”Why won’t a woman even give me a chance before she decides to reject me.” I know many women who will not even go on one date with a man if they don’t feel earth shattering chemistry from the get go. I tend to take a wait and see approach if I’m feeling indifferent. I went out with him, NOT to get a free meal, but to simply see if there might be more to him than I initially thought. The free meal was simply a bonus.

Now, I gave this man a chance and during the course of our lunch date he made a bad impression in many different ways from his personal presentation to his lack of listening skills. This turned my indifference to complete disinterest. Was I to walk out on him in the middle of the outing? That would be rude (and I’m sure people would call me names for that as well).

Just because a man takes a woman out, she has no obligation to enjoy the outing. Sometimes she will, sometimes she won’t. That’s what dating is. You win some, you lose some and you deal with it. One date does not equate to using a man, just like one date does not equate to being in a relationship (there are women who need to learn this). No one’s pimping off a $20 (if that) meal. Bad dates happen. And obviously he shared my feelings about the lunch because I never heard from him again. So no harm no foul.

It seems like the guys who get most offended by a woman who says, “thanks, but no thanks” are the ones who seem to think they are owed something. I find this quite amusing since many of these same guys will have much deeper interactions with a woman without feeling like he owes her anything. If you offer to take a woman out, then you’re taking on the risk that it might not be a good match (for her, for you, or both parties). If you’re not comfortable with that then simply spend time with her in ways that are either inexpensive (which a $20 meal is) or free. Host a potluck at your house and invite her to come. Ask her to join you at your friend’s fight party. Go for a run in the park. Get to know her informally and gauge if there’s a romantic spark that way. There are two types of dates: 1) The getting to know you date, and 2) the I really like you date. If you choose to use a date as a means to get to know a woman then you take on the risk of possibly spending money on someone who may not be in your life very long. That’s on you.

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Roosh V could improve physical appearance by wearing a monster mask. Oops, don’t insult monsters. Just in time for halloween — authentic Roosh V masks.

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Great post overall but contradictory messages.

How the heck can *getting rid of the this game shit and being yourself* amount to putting pussy on a pedestal? That does not make any sense at all. Guys who make less effort and do less are doing the opposite of putting pussy on a pedestal.

The reason you should not be yourself is because it does not work. Simple. Game needs to be clear on this point because this is a source of endless confusion and a weak point in game that the *be yourself* crowd love to exploit. We need to give them less ammunition and come out with a clearer message.

Fact is, you need to put pussy on a pedestal to get good with them. Lets be honest about this. If you did not put pussy on a pedestal, you would not bother learning game – you would just *be yourself* and end up home alone! We can engage in whatever word games we want, but when you are learning game and getting out there and talking to a bunch of girls and trying hard to get them, you are putting pussy on a pedestal. Its as simple as that.

We can come up with word-twisting formulas but we will just be confusing guys with contradictory messages and making ourselves look deluded and silly to game denialists – why give them eassy amo?

The truth is to get good with women and learn game you MUST put pussy on a pedestal, you just have to put them on a DIFFERENT pedestal than the one *nice guys* do. The fact that you are bothering learning game tactics and making all sorts of effort – and I GUARANTEE you SHE is not making that kind of effort! – simply means you are putting her on a pedestal. She obviously means more to you than you to her.

Now, changing yourself to be liked by women IS putting women on a pedestal – it means HER preferences and desires and wishes are more important than YOURS, it means catering to HER and suppressing yourselves. BUT IF YOU DONT DO THIS YOU WONT GET LAID!

Simple as that. Thats why men have no choice but to learn game, We owe it to ourselves and to newbies to be absolutely clear on this point – yes, getting girls means putting them on a pedestal and making their wishes and desires more important than ours, but it makes a HUGE difference which pedestal you put her on – the one devised by society which is based on ignorance of female psychology, or the one devised by game which is based on a correct understanding of what women want and learning how to give it to them?

[Roosh: Tired argument. http://www.rooshv.com/the-paradox-of-game%5D

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3. You use alcohol as a crutch.

G Manifesto uses pretty suits as a crutch to pick up hookers

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Thats actually just what I am talking about, roosh. I think for most guys the idea of really wanting sex but not wanting it from ANY girl sort of cancels itself out. It makes sense to not want it from this or that girl, but not from ANY girl. You cant apply that to each girl you meet. If you REALLY want sex, then you have to really want it from a girl (unless youre gay). If you REALLY want sex tonight, then you might be nonchalant with the first, second, and third girl, but not the tenth, if there are only 12 girls in the bar. It makes no sense. If you really want sex tonight and realize that youre down to your last option, then logically you really want sex with those last few options.

I get where you were going with that post, but no offense it just ends up confusing guys.

To avoid that kind of confusion would it not just be better to admit the obvious? In order to get girls you have to learn what girls want and give it to them. You have to suppress your own desires and do what girls want. If you dont feel angry but you know the girl would like you to feel angry, if you want to get laid, you better start feeling angry. You have to make yourself into the kind of man girls want whether or not you want to be that kind of man.

As long as hide from this fact as if its embarrassing game denialists will have us by the balls, and thats the point – why hide from the obvious?

Chateua/Heartiste makes no bones about stating clearly that a mans worth is defined by whether women are attracted to him. He has said this several times. It then logically follows that there is no shame in finding out what kind of man women like and becoming that men regardless of what you like.

When you put womens preferences above your own preferences you put pussy on a pedestal, this cannot be denied – but why do we have to pretend this is a shameful fact? Its NOT a shamfeul fact and we will be on stronger ground once we admit this.

Evolution designed us to want to spread our genes and our worth as men is contingent upon how well we do this. In order to do this successfully we have no choice but to cater to womens preferences, so why be embarrassed about this?

By admitting this we pull the rug out from under the game denialists feet in a powerful way – sure, we put pussy on a pedestal, but SO WHAT? Your worth as a man is a function of how well women are attracted to you, so OF COURSE you have to put women on a pedestal if you want to spread your genes, OF COURSE you have to suppress yourself to fit in with womens preferences to spread your genes – but SO WHAT? Thats your point as a man, thats what evolution designed you for.

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Grahm,sorry bro but i dont think you really get it.
Follow those 5 steps.then rinse +repeat.
Let a woman “choose you” but GIVE her something to choose from.your nice guy vibe is probably a chick replelant

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projection at its finest..

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@Grahamm: Stating a man’s worth is defined by his value to women is meaningless: each sex’s value is their value to the opposite sex. This is not worth as a human being, only SMV. The men who judge their worth as a human being by their own SMV (consciously or not) are the ones who pedestalize women, because they don’t derive self-worth from other sources such as career, spiritual, community.

So long as you remain true to your values and boundaries, modifying your behavior to increase your SMV is not equivalent to putting pussy on a pedestal.

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So you say that guys should consider females to be worthless in order to not have a worthless time with them? I disagree with that part in number 4.

This is how it goes::The only dudes who are putting pussy on a pedestal are the ones who are so desperate to have sex that they will do anything to get it, Example: treating some girl you just met like a princess. That doesn’t mean you have to think of the opposite sex as worthless to get laid. Just treat them as you would any other stranger but be a good conversationalist. Hopefully your charms and personality will result in a mutual attraction.

Calm down and don’t be desperate. Focus on having a good time and smile when out and looking for chicks. Chicks go for guys who look like they are happy and having a good time when out. Work on numbers 1, 2, 3 and 5 like Roosh said and you will see results.

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This post really struck a chord Roosh. I’ve been re-reading it over and over since I woke up this morning. I was starting to realise some of these elements within myself when you just bluntly laid it down here.

“The more worthless you think of the female species and the less you fantasize about your dream girl, the more likely you will find and successfully game her. ”

Ouch. Powerful.

Thanks again for your writing.

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Something for the nice guys out there.

http://youtu.be/bm3xe1ZAccA

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The obsession with choking and butt fucking is interesting.
It’s from gay porn. They introduced it to mainstream America.

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You can have good game without being either a pedestalizer or a sick piece of shit. but you need to have you know social skills and whatnot to pull it off.

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Great post! I definitely agree number 4. To many guys put pussy on a pedestal and place a huge emphasis on it. There is an endless supply of pussy around the world. Pussy grows on trees, it is easy to pick.

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I’ve talked about number 3 a lot, one of the reasons why I didn’t drink for the whole month of September (and still hit the field like a mad man) Truth is alchol is a depdressant, their many a night a brother ain’t pull walking home feeling like shit. A PUA buddy of mine, who is considered “The best in the city” gets drunk all the time, he can’t approach sober for shit, sure he pulls a new chick every other week or so. But the guy when he is drunk is a wreck I.e. One time at the end of the night he was going up to girls saying how he wanted to eat their pussy’s and yelling it out the car, I wish I recorded it but alas I was driving.

Number 1 and 4 are brutal espeically during a dry streak.

This post will be bookmarked

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roosh I was expecting something like this as a youtube clip from you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwKHXY0iL0k

yours was lame, who says you complete me except mike mayers? and who responds you had me at hello and is considered a dream girl!??

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@Nate, modifying your behave to fit in with someone elses preferences is the clearest example I can think of putting someone else above you, i.e on a *pedestal*. Logically, I just dont see how anyone can deny that, and by denying something so blindingly obvious we only weaken our case and provide ammo to those who deny game and claim that it is self-contradictory and incoherent.

Most game gurus, including Roosh, agree that your SMV IS your value as a human being. We are designed by evolution to spread our genes, that is our purpose in life, so how else can we measure our value? Your *spititual* goals and career goals only have value insofar as they make you more attractive to the opposite sex.

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Same old shit, just another day.

Just like any sport, most guys are not self aware enough to diagnose their own weaknesses. And/or, they don’t work hard enough to see improvement.

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@ roosh 43

I think that clip tops it right there.Its funny because I seen some white trash guys use that line on Jerry Springer a few times back in the day,and it worked,they all got their heffers back.

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Grahmm,
Please read and re-read what #42 said a few times then re-read it some more.

you seem to be fighting with your self on this one.

pretty simple actually.

its probably one of the main reasons you’re not having success with women.

Most guys that are not liking this post dont like it because something has to be DONE about yourselves and worked on instead of theorizing about it all day in order to get laid.
Its like Roosh has said in the past,get out there and apply yourself,try different things.

oh well.you can only bring a horse to water.

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I will admit that much of this post seems like an endless ladder of some kind. Many of us learned a lot of game, but now we have more and more and more ahead? In order to be… average?

While I do see the point and value the improvements gained from “just enough game”, especially as the sexual marketplace is becoming more and more brutal, it’s still hard to say that it does not feel like a middle finger of some kind.

Still, my game is way above that clip, as I hope is anyone’s who Roosh means with this post razz

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@Grahamm It’s not modifying behavior to meet someone else’s preferences. No woman believes they prefer a guy who’s good at manipulating a situation to get into their pants (but here we are). It’s about modifying behavior to achieve a goal. Not their goal, OUR goal. The guys who are *un*successful are the ones who put a woman’s goals first.

I’m behind game 100%, not trying to discredit it. But everyone lives their life for different personal reasons. Some for money, some for sex, some for religion. Everyone will argue why their chosen path is right one for them, but it is a choice. Trying to quantify life by a particular quality of life is the kind of trap that pegs a person’s self-worth on other peoples’ judgment, which is what leads most men to seek this sort of help in the first place.