5 Things You Should Know About Russia

I spent five weeks in the Siberian city of Tomsk and two weeks in Moscow. Here are my thoughts:

1. Russian girls are very similar to Ukrainian girls

There are some differences, but they are so minor that you can go to Moscow having read Bang Ukraine and still know what you’re doing.

Aesthetic differences: Ukrainian girls are more petite and thin. Russian girls have thicker lips and butts. Russian girls are more varied in appearance while there is more homogeny in Ukraine. Advantage: Russia

Personality differences: Ukrainian girls have more restrained personalities upon first meeting, but when they open up, they are similar to Russian girls. Ukrainian girls will dig into my background to see if I’m a Turkish sex tourist, but most Russian girls I met didn’t do this. Advantage: Russia

Game differences: Russian girls give better initial responses to your approach and are more likely to give you their number from a shorter conversation, but are not easier to get into bed. I also experienced more flakes in Russia, meaning I had to get more numbers to schedule one date than in Ukraine. Advantage: Ukraine by a hair

2. Russia is super expensive

You will not find much in the way of value in Russia. Food and entertainment is pricey, especially in the big cities. I stayed in Moscow for 12 days and spent $2700 (that included $100 a day in lodging from Airbnb). Even a date to a basic cafe for coffee and cake will cost you about $25, as opposed to $8 in Ukraine. I calculated that I would need at least $4,000 a month in Moscow to have the lifestyle that could be had in Poland or Ukraine for about $1,500 (or less).

Russian women, while very pretty, are not significantly better than Ukrainian women to justify that expense. Polish women, while definitely not as pretty, are easier to get into bed and more easygoing. If Russia was priced the same as Ukraine or Poland, I believe that Russia would be the best choice, but we can’t exclude cost from the equation. Moscow was just as expensive to me as Washington DC, and by the end of my stay in Moscow, I couldn’t wait to leave for the sole reason of giving relief to my wallet from $7 Earl Grey teas in cafes.

3. Face control is real

Face control is where bouncers eye you up and down to see if you have the right look to enter the club. This is common even in mid-level Moscow clubs. The problem with this is that it’s hard to make a plan to be in a particular venue because you may be denied entry and have no backup.

I was face controlled twice in Moscow. Ironically, both times were when I was with a girl (she was pretty to me, but maybe not to the bouncers). When I was alone or with another guy, I was not denied entry, but I was suited up each time. In other words, to go out in Moscow I had to dress up whether I liked it or not to decrease the chance of being face controlled. This was extremely tiring because sometimes I just want to wear a v-neck and jeans and hit the bar for a couple drinks.

Face control is also a concept apparently used by Russian women. You will know within 15 seconds if she doesn’t mind your look or not. There are two foreign ideals to a Russian woman: the German ideal (fair complexion) and the Italian ideal (dark complexion). If you approach a girl with the wrong ideal, you will get nowhere, but if you have the right one, she will let you spit some game. Almost all the interactions I had in Moscow that led to at least a phone number exchange was on girls who expressed some interest in Italy, similar to how Polish girls would inquire if I was Spanish. These experiences make me wonder if game is nothing more than a tool to be used on a girl who doesn’t object to our general look.

4. Nightlife is overrated

Muscovites have a YOLO approach to partying on the weekend, drinking well past their budget and staying until the sun comes up. The ratio is pretty decent and you will see the most beautiful women in the world. The problem is that you’ll have to grind it out just as if you were in an American club. Foreigners are not especially prized and when you add in the high drink prices, which suggest that clubs are only frequented by the upper middle class, you’ll be spending a lot of time and money to in all likelihood just get a number of a slightly snobby 7 who’s not really hurting to meet men. It doesn’t help that there is no one-night stand culture where you’ll get a freebie bang every few nights out. Girls who are average looking are no easier than their hotter counterparts.

If you like clubs, you’ll have fun here, but as a way to meet women, day game is so much superior that if I lived in Moscow I wouldn’t go out much at night to meet women. Then again, I don’t really like the clubs in Ukraine either.

5. You’ll need time

Russia has the slowest sex speed I’ve encountered. I was stunned to be denied kisses on the first date by girls who would agree to a second. Many expats in Moscow I met told me that there is a run-up time of a month until the bangs start rolling in, but for a quick weekend of sex, I wouldn’t come to Russia. Focus on Scandinavia instead. We’ve all heard stories of Russian girls being promiscuous, but in my seven weeks in the country, I did not find this at all.

If you have a particular fetish for Russian women and have a large bankroll, Russia could very well be your poosy paradise, but you’d have to commit to staying. While much damage can be done in many countries from a two week stay, I’d advise you to stay at least one month in Russia. However, I can’t promise you’ll receive a great reward compared to just about anywhere else in Eastern Europe. Out of all the Eastern European countries I’ve been to, I had my lowest results in Russia, even though I’m almost conversational in Russian. Ukraine is a better place for me.

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Somehow i knew it would be based on Moscow and there it is. Moscow is absolutely the worst way to meet just about anything in Russia, besides architecture and economy.

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Couple of reactions to Rooshs Russian Discussion-
The women’s sex drive was probably lower because of Winter weather when Roosh went (even for me I get morning wood every day during Summer but only need to nut 1-2xs/week during February aka worst month of the year).

Why not do St. Petersburg?
One of the finest women I ever met was from there.

Did Roosh or you guys see fine women with much older guys in Russia?

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Whilst there CAN be hot Russian women in other places, is it true that they are in large numbers? I have heard only St. Petersburg and a couple other cities are good for women, and after that Russia has no women to offer because they are so poor and cannot afford to look good. By Roosh’s own admission, many who frequent clubs are upper middle class, so everyone else must be fucked financially and cannot afford to go out. This is perhaps our western future. By the way, if you get a girl pregnant, I also believe it is true that you pay for the child, even if you are not the father. All the girl has to do is to finger you as the potential father and you are on the hook for paying,for they do not do DNA testing? I thought it was interesting as western alimony laws (women’s favourite form of employment) is heading that way.

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Yes, if you get a girl pregnant, then you pay child support. True that.
but they SURE DO DNA testing, so nothing to worry about, pal:)

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Russian standard of living is on par with Polish/Latvian/Estonian and slightly worse than Hungarian. Girls there can absolutely afford to look good since that’s all they invest into, apart from education. Russians also travel abroad a lot. I’m not sure why people insist that Russian are piss poor, but never insist that Thailand is piss poor. Media brainwash doing good job

That locals don’t go out every night is pretty usual wherever you go abroad. Night life is something people do on weekends. Also, in most of Eastern Europe, clubs are indeed populated by wealthier folks (and also noisy, annoying, celebrity wannabes). Common people prefer to go to bars because it is less demanding both on your budget and your nerves (you don’t have to tolerate peasants). That’s how it is, in EE, clubs are breeding ground for peasants and people with annoying attitudes.

My pick for getting laid would be Nizhny Novgorod, Ekaterinburg, Samara. Pick a proximate city, with population around 1.000.000, check demography (median age) universities and of course, architecture. You don’t want to be stuck somewhere where there is nothing but commieblocks.

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According to the CIA figures, the GDP per capita in Russia is $18,100, Hungary – $19,800, and Poland – $21,000, so out of the three, Poland is the most affluent. Hungary, with only 10 million people is barely a country, and Russia is the poorest (just get out of Moscow and see for yourself!). Moreover, because of the recent American and European sanctions, Russia’s standard of living is expected to decline in the coming months and perhaps even years. Ukraine – with the GDP per capita of only about $7,000 – is still the best bargain

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That is the problem with comparing Russia to rest of EE. In Russia, when you get out of Moscow, you still get at least 20 big cities to see, and each one is different. Some are grey and industrial, other are more historical and decorated. However, when chasing pussy, good architecture is really not a rapper. Otherwise Paris would be best pussy paradise on earth. The shittier the place, the cheaper the pussy, that’s a golden rule. Outside of Moscow, there’s plenty of decent places.

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Hungary is much better than Russia for pussy. Russia is overpriced and the women’s attitude shows. If you like Russian type women, its a better value to go to the Ukraine. I like Hungary though.

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With President Trump, the sanctions might be a thing of the past, most likely pressure on Russia from the West will quickly dissolve. The irony here is that a Republican President will be overseeing the most dovish stance towards Russia in America history.
Russians know that NATO is nothing without the US, and President Trump can pressure the EU to life sanctions on Russia.
Europe is already weak after the Brexit, and still needs the US even if they are angry about Trump, they have to deal with the US for a while.

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Ukrain is ok…

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1. N. Novgorod-may be, in summer. Terrible windy city in winter with nowhere to hide from the wind chill and humidity.
2. Ekaterinburg-NO, even in summer. Too grey, industrial and worn down. Also a bit far and harder to get to.
3. Samara-may be, in summer, again. Coupled with Saratov and Volgograd. All those are nice bigger cities on Volga river with several universities, abundant night life and pleasant friendly people.

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You have pretty much described Russian climate overall

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I don’t agree on point 1.1: I think the average russian is quite ugly (chubby, ugly face ecc.) and in this istance ukrainans are better. But 1.3 is true: russian girls have a lot of game themselves.
2: Saint Petersburg is cheaper, at least for nightlife.
3: true. I had the same feeling when I went out: I never could say in advance if I would make it into a venue or not. And sure, russian girls check your handsomeness a lot, especially if you are a foreigner: being their men generally quite ugly, they expect you to not.
4: yes, night game is hard, but parties are good.
5: sorry but this is false. Russian girls simply crave for sex, and if they don’t have a fuck-buddy in that moment (like lot of them during winter time) you can be sure they’ll quickly spread their legs for you. Surely they don’t have a big ONS culture, but one month for the bang sounds totally BS: two, maximum three dates is usually enough to seal the deal.

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Just try another city, Moscow is known for being very expensive.

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What cities do you think are less expensive, Vsevelod?

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Pretty much every one.

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In Moscow, I banged a girl after 15 mn and another one after 2 hours. The first one was a solid 7 and the second was an 8 (probably a 9 in her 20s). In Russia, direct game is key. Russian women have no patience for betas.

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True. Unlike many EE countries where english language is widely spoken and american pop and tv culture is widely penetrated in the society, in Russia being a talkative player doesn’t have any value. Russian women demand action and strenght.

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Are you really muscular, handsome, good bank roll, intelligent or charismatic personality, etc.

Describe to us your game and who you are looks, big and strong build,
Designer clothes Style, bank roll, aggressive body language,etc.

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“Describe to us your game”

Good request, as I was thinking the same thing. Notice how mike1981 is now giving us radio silence? He’s probably just another troll who’s full of shit.

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I am just an averadge (black) Joe.

My “secret” is that I am not afraid to do massive approaches I and I focus on women around 30. In 3rd world countries, they are already “old maid” even if when they look like super models.
They can’ get more than Igor the drank or Boris the weak. So, I am a real catch for them.
Just be pragmatic and focus on 6+ girls who are thirsty.
Good luck.

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Interesting since many Russian women I have chatted with prefer white males even tourists like myself. In Ukraine a few showed interest because they said I had a “native look”.
I have not been there yet but plan on March either there or Brazil.

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I don’t think skin colour matter THAT much.
Money, status and power are what women crave for at a primitive level. The sooner you realize it the more bangs you get.

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Agreed but rich or Poor especially poor I would avoid Moscow personally I like cities In the 250000-500000 range. Right now I am trying to decide between Brazil or Ukraine or a smaller Russia city, Ukraine is my least favorite because I am sure it is played out by now and the M/F ratios are near even under 40 now.

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I think a small Russian city is a good bet. Personally, I’m done with FSU and I’m preparing for Latin America, starting with Brazil. More and more countries are being westernized. Within 10 years, the game we are playing will be very complicated. Better to appreciate while we can.

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Me 2, I am seriously looking into Brazil myself after getting a great response rate on Brazil Cupid. My biggest issue is which city so I am buying Roosh’s Bang Brazil for a better picture. I guess will be doing at 44 what he did at 24 but I guess better late then never. Every USA male should spend at least a year abroad and date the women… As I have said before I think the RUUKEE is played out and my results on a few dating sites conformed this. Only in Russia’s smaller cities do I get genuine interest.

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All women secretly crave the BBC.

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Perhaps, but it’$ a bad long term investment as divorce rates between black men and white women is 400% higher then white couples.

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“In Moscow, I banged a girl after 15 mn and another one after 2 hours. The first one was a solid 7 and….”

And then you woke up out of your dream.

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It could well be true. It could also be due to the cash he flashed her.

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Maybe he flashed his 8 inch penis and mesmerized the slut?

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Maybe…

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I hope you will have the same luck.
Cheer up!

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freezing temperature is what keeps me from that part of the world

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still better then 3rd world like africa india sa or tropical nations like austrailia where the wildlife is out to get you…even the bugs are huge. this is assuming if those 3rd world diseases or crime gets you.

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Roosh,

You should have went to St. Petersburg instead of wasting time and money in Moscow and Siberia. Even Russians here back in the states have told me that people are way nicer than in Moscow. When I head to Russia, I’m skipping Moscow and hitting St. Petersburg instead.

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He was also in Tomsk for a few months.

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Yeah I know but Roosh should have went to St. Petersburg instead. That’s where I’d go in Russia. Women are way nicer.

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St. Petersburg=Moscow, but a bit colder, more humid and with pale skinny anorexic women.

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Still expensive as shit in St. Petersburg..

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Try Tambov or Saratov, a lot of yung student girls there—no forighne men at all

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1. Tambov-NO! Too small and every foreigner will be automatically out of place there.
2. Saratov-may be. In summer only. Better try Volgograd than Saratov.

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Hi Iam going to St.Petersburg in April,what about girls in there how to deal

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Why the fuck are you going to café and do you pay for cake on a date ?!?

First date, I always go for a walk in the city and that’s it. Or I always screen first 15 minutes to see if something will happen and if not : no café or she pays. If I sense something will happen I will be generous but that’s all.

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Why not City walk then a bar the. Your place?

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It’s because Roosh is a natural beta. He does a good job of working around it, but it always ends up showing.

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Who cares? Its his style. End the hate. The fact that you had to call him beta shows you out. The western alpha is a crooked rich banker or all hot women. Every western male likes to think he is an alpha. But the real question is whether the alpha male is dead in the west.

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Haha, that pussy Seth datta again shows us why he has such a weird obsession with London (Zionist) bankers — because he imagines they fuck all the chicks that he just masturbates to the thought of.

Go get yourself a rubber doll, mate, so you can drop out of the gene pool entirely.

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Says the man who is obsessed with me that he knows everything about me.

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Calling this or that man beta, this or that behavior beta is more than tired. So sick of it. Men are so beaten up and down by the current state of affairs that we are eating each other alive. I call bullshit. More support and male camaraderie are needed. Lastly, for the millionth time, true alphas in any animal kingdom are rare.

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Ok she pays? in moscow haha

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Comparing Moscow to the rest of Russia is like comparing Warsaw to the rest of Poland.

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Krakow, being the ancient royal capital, is actually more beautiful than Warsaw but it attracts tremendous numbers of tourists, international students, and bachelor parties. Night life is great but you must like crowds

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Hmm. A government official admitted there were millions of Jews in Russia and that the global figure for Jews was 200 million. So chances are 1 in 2 rich allegedly white girls is Jewish, like New York. Eventually, almost all rich white people will be Jews and then almost all white people will be Jewish. No joke. So I felt his post was indicative of the future of the west, though I admit that comparing Moscow to the rest of Russia is not the best comparison.

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Crackpot

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Hope you realize what an idiot you are

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Roosh
If you were to pick a City with fun nightlife, a cost of living that good to the bankroll, and more busty women (c cups and up) who aren’t butter faces with an easy going attitude- where would that be?

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Anywhere in Southern Ukraine: Kherson, Nikolaev or Odessa. Please see my posting about that area with details.
P.S. I ain’t no Roosh, but I’m in Ukraine as we speak.

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How do Ukrainians and other EE groups respond to fat guys? Or what I call fathlteic (big ass 6’4 college football offensive lineman sized dudes)?

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You ain’t no fat guy, man! You ain’t obese!
Ukrainians do not really care too much about your weight as long as you ain’t obese! If you take good care of yourself, do at least some sports, can hold a meaningful conversation and come along with honesty and respect then you ain’t gonna get no problems in Ukraine or anywhere else in Eastern Europe!

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I don’t plan on visiting Russia anytime soon, but I’m curious about face control by Russian women and their ideal. How would the Latin American Mestizo look do? Since mestizos resemble Central Asians (Uyghurs, Uzbeks), I’m thinking the answer would be “no”.

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You got it right, pal.

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Yeah, you are fucked.. Definitely not the place to go. I would pick Western Europe, or Scandinavia.

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agreed. unless he really tries to sell the spanish lover deal otherwise hes better off being an indian guy there….i shit u not they actually had success there

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Being an Indian guy, where? Uhhh I spent time in places with medical universities, and I didn’t see Indian dudes pulling chicks.. Maybe all the Swedish, Danish, Norwegian chicks are just aching for Indian cock.. but Ukraine? I think an American black dude would do decent..

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well i found out on forum posts and 1 or 2 mainstream pists. russian and ukriaian women look for beta providors typically and indians fit the bill. read posts about them actually having success with them. but but not playboy success. during fsu days bollywood was big there so they are seen as good husbands. apperntly thats the angle guys in goa play probablty play to get them. on my campus tge dorky indian guys seem to get in pleastly with the russian girls. when i saw this i thought if they got some style and game theyed totally woulda pulked them.
if the indian can get hid game down russia should be the place to visit just solelly for a good reputation.

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Wrong! Ukrainian women look for honest, reliable, respectful and supporting males with integrity. They do not need no betas nor alphas, they just need normal males who dare to be a male and know what manhood is.
I wouldn’t compare Russian/Ukrainian females in America to those in Russia or Ukraine. Ain’t no Russian or Ukrainian females in America, they are all American or Canadian thus only value money and status in the society.

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well thats what meant by beta…well confident beta anyways. well the west does ruin women. the ee woman does care alot about money and status. they are very cold and rational when it comes to love they afe less feelings oriented. tgats why you must watch out for gold diggers there. its not unusual to see a hot blonde with an old ugly but rich nice guy.

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If you want to hustle do it man. Quit worrying, hop on a plane, and go grind.

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Isn’t there a student scene in Moscow? Like for example with cheaper bars where they congreggate? It’s just such a big city I would imagine there being plenty of night life options for all budgets. Also where would you say you got a higher ROI Moscow or Tomsk?

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I got a higher ROI in Moscow with less work. The city is huge… I didn’t have enough time to find any particular scene.

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Just imagine WHO would be able to study at any Moscow university considering all those sky high prices? Yes, you got it right, students with MONEY! A lot of money. Moscow itself is a status thing in Russia and a dream for millions and millions of Russians. Do you know how many people come to Moscow every DAY hoping to find a job, settle down and slowly climb up a career ladder? Tens of thousands! How many do succeed? Some do, but most do NOT.

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i saw this ass clown in a bar in Odessa recently…hanging out with a bunch of fucking losers! This dude is a joke…..”bang ukraine” haha “bang hand”….this fool was with a ”wolf pack” of fuking losers…standing around drooling over the fuking girls, then a one point his bud told us he was the owner of the bar, then changed when we told him we knew the owners, then told u s he spoke very good russian, until we spoke to him in russian… then tried to tell more shit……100% of what this guy is bullshit!!!

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Comparing Moscow to the rest of Russia is like comparing New York City to the rest of America. There are VAST differences. Go to Tennessee and see if any city there is like NYC at all. You’ll find it isn’t. same goes for most other states. Moscow is the NYC of Russia and generalizations about the entire country shouldn’t be made based on that single city.

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Still, Roosh is mostly spot on in his observations. And you can trust me on this one.

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Roosh definitely has spent a lot more time and energy researching all of this, than most of us. The last time I was in Russia, was 2009.. and I did a lot more traveling, and relaxing.. not so much going out to clubs. My personal advice to everyone.. Avoid Russia. The only place I would go, would be Crimea.. and that only recently became Russia. Stick to Ukraine and Poland.. Cheaper, and more traveling friendly, due to not having to obtain a visa.

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I agree with you 100%

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TN sucks! Irish hillbilly ass-pass!

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Nashville has some pretty girls, as does Knoxville (the UT undergrad girls, all dressed up after a football game)….

Yeah, there’s not a lot of culture there, but if you just want some good BBQ dining, good bars, some Starbucks locations for telecommuting, and some good-looking blonde things, you could do a lot worse.

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I talk some trash. I admit that-For me,Nashville is it. Knoxville is a joke IMO. Memphis is good for chocolate and youd be surprised at the talent in Chattanooga but the vibe is as oppressive as a sociology hall at state U, all of them are no Kiev.

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I am currently dating a Russian girl from Moscow and it took me 4 dates and 2 sleepovers to bang her. She is very traditional (likes to cook. clean, be taken out to dinner and bought flowers), submissive, and prefers to date one man at a time. She does not talk too much, watch TV or is constantly glued to her iphone. From my experience in the States it is very difficult to find a woman with these qualities.

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But are you traditional? Or are you a fat Yankee American fuckboy like the rest of your hometown women?

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Spot on, Roosh! Good one! Glad you’ve had some new Russian experiences:)))
You still shouldn’t judge the whole Russia by Moscow. Moscow is some kind of a Russian dream, some kind of an unreachable mirage shining brightly in the sunset with all its lights and neon. Millions of Russians dream to come and settle in Moscow especially those in the 18 to 30 age range. Few of them do succeed but most go home empty handed and defeated.
Moscow is an expensive and soulless city, a city which never sleeps and which resembles all other bigger cities of the world.
Whereas Tomsk is a remote Siberian town where nothing ever happens and every day is like a Groundhog day.
It is possible to find good women in both Russia and Ukraine, but Ukraine is a lot cheaper, more accessible in terms of transportation and American or Canadian citizens do not require a visa for up to 90 days, just come and do whatever you might want.
I do have some very good contacts in Southern Ukraine and do co-own a private hotel/beach club 25 miles south of Odessa. If Roosh or someone else is interested in visiting, staying in, saving a lot of money and being in good and honest hands then feel free to indicate your interest. Roosh can also be a promoter of the place for thousands of his “site visitors” and obviously get some good bonuses out of it:-)
All kinds of help, transportation, introductions to the city and area and guaranteed:-)

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Shoot me a message on here with your contact info Canadian. I’m planning to head back to Ukraine here in April/May, for about a month. I will probably fly into Odessa, more likely than not.

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Our official e-mail for the hotel is: [email protected]
I’m working on a new webpage as we speak and will have it ready by the middle of next week!
Thanks for your interest and I’m looking forward to your message!

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For sure man.. I’m looking for somewhere to go in April/May, just haven’t figured which city in Ukraine I want to head to. Somewhere smaller (100-200k people), Russian speaking, off the beaten path so to speak.

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Right on!!! The city the hotel is in has about 100k people, is located right on the Black sea and has a very nice and friendly ambience. It is Russian speaking and everything is within a walking distance. Looking forward to your message!

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Roosh says, “game
is nothing more than a tool to be used on a girl who doesn’t object to our
general look.”
The dirty little secret, looks are actually important! Women’s choice, remember. Yep, if your 5’7” and the girl only dates guys who are 6’2” and up, or if you are an American, and she only dates Russians, you are shit out of luck!

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True that, but it’s always possible to find those females who do not mind dating guys who are 5’7” and American:-)

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Absolutely. That is why knowing your target audience is so important. Fish where the fishing is good!

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I’d say that fishing is better in Ukraine, anywhere from April to late October is a good time. And better variety to “target”;-)

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Agree. As long as a missile doesn’t land on you.

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Don’t worry about the missile:-) They are very far away from it all in Eastern Ukraine.
I’m in Ukraine right NOW and it ain’t no missiles here:-)

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Where are you? I’ve spent a lot of time in Ukraine. How much are apts going for now with great exchange rate?

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Whats the cheapest you could survive on in some of those cities and do it the Roosh Bang Guide way (apartment centrally located close to night spots, college campuses, cook most of your own food, have $ for variety of dates, have $ to go out to night spots and hunt at least 3-4 nights/week, have time to day game at the malls, colleges, parks, streets, etc.)???

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Dude I was just in South East Ukraine on the Sea of Azov…I was there 2 weeks ago. I spent less that 500$ American in 16 whole days.
BTW…Day Game is awesome in the smaller cities.
Just go online & check the exchange rates. You will need to shop around for an affordable plane ticket is all.
Kyiv & Odessa are expensive but by American standards, about half price.

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What did you pay and night for your apt? what city were you in?

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Berdyans’k…about 70 Hgrivna a night. That’s about 5$ a night for a 150 sq. ft, apartment

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But then you also have to FIND that apartment smile Please do not mislead people into thinking that it’s all easy and rosy in Ukraine:-)
For example Berdyansk is a remote location , far from all major airports. So you have to get to Kiev or to Odessa by air first and then travel further almost all over Ukraine just to get to Berdyansk:-) It ain’t THAT easy to accomplish considering all the hassle with trains or buses. Locals can manage that but it’ll be tiresome and complicated even for them.

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You are absolutely right.. traveling is tiresome, and a pain in the ass.. That is if things go as planned..

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Tyko that’s awesome. I travelled Ukraine for the summer 3 years ago and had a blast – but was stuck w hostels and hotels. Did you find it on airbnb and negotiate down? I’m itching to go back

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You wanna come back?:-) I co-own and manage a private smaller hotel nearby Odessa. You and all others, including Roosh are welcome! Good discounts and a lot of local help is available!

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We need a game friendly spot in every town.

Whats nearby Odessa mean?

How far from walkable nightlife and day game spots (popular parks, beaches, colleges, etc.) in miles or km?

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Nearby Odessa means a southern suburb of Odessa, the city of Il’yichevsk. Smaller town, fully walkable with a lot of night clubs, parks and beaches. Not as crowded as Odessa with a small town ambience.
And Odessa itself is just 20 miles away all the way to downtown. Ain’t that far at all.

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You have a website? Or some way of contact? I definitely want to go back

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Give me your secondary e-mail and I’ll let you know all the details. I’m working on a webpage right now and it’ll be available next week. Roosh can promote it if he would want to and make some money on commissions as well:)

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You can get in touch with me using our official e-mail for the hotel: [email protected]
thanks!

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One secret is to make a bro friend there first…Connections. Roosh touches on this in his tips elsewhere…but I preach it much more than he does.
I met this dude online & had him rent me an apartment for a month from a homeowner in Ukraine. There, you can find places to rent without down payments on occasion. To be fair, I stayed at the tail-end of the Summer tourist season. End of August is the time to go.
Had they known I was American, the price hike is about 70-80% higher.
Dirt cheap & worth every penny.
Then have your new bro take you to the bars where all the fine girls go…buy him a steak & some booze with the $ you saved & have him act as your wing man. There…you’ve just killed like 4 birds with 1 stone

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That’s what I keep saying too! You gotta have local connections and someone who can pick you up, show you around, introduce you to the city and local bars/clubs.
It saves you lots of money.

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Sounds like you did it right. Respect. I didn’t know what the fuck I was doing though I still had a blast. I’ll do it better next time

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150 sq ft apt-is that real poor accommodations like hostel quality?

What is there to do in small little towns in the UA?

I figured 2k/month is the right number for major cities like Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov, etc.

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1. Berdyansk is VERY cheap:-) And small. True that.
2. Again, it all depends if you happen to have the right connections and to know people who can help you out. One can save a lot of money with the right connections.

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Tyko has it right.. I would stay away from Kiev and Odessa though.. That is where you run into women who will game Americans, steal your shit, etc. Those are set tourist cities, full of other foreigners. Stay off the beaten path.. granted, that’s easier said than done, if you don’t have any connections, or don’t speak the language.

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I’m in Kiev, Odessa and surroundings.
I have places to stay at almost all over Ukraine, so I ain’t that familiar with apartment rental prices as of today, but can easily find out for you!

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What’s your take on Lviv?
It’s suppossed to be full of freaky college girls according to the various game forums out here?

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There is no city in Ukraine full of freaky college girls. I’ve travelled the country, you’ve been misinformed

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Lviv? Do not go their! They have some kind of a screwed western mentality and will do a lot of shit behind your back while smiling at you.
And Parachute is right! Three is NO city in Ukraine full of “freaky college girls”. It ain’t USA or even a bigger university/college campus in Canada.

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Oh, sorry! Do not go THERE:-) It’s kinda late here in Ukraine and I’m a bit sleepy:) My fault!

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I just came back from Lviv, and spent a month there.. I don’t know about all that screwed Western mentality, but it’s definitely more Western than the rest of Ukraine. There are plenty of girls there who want to fuck dude. Trust me.. They like sex just like American girls, and they like to suck cock.. They just aren’t going to be outspoken about it, and forward, due to the culture. There aren’t horny college chicks asking to be fucked.. It’s not America, or Canada. If you want dirty sluts, who act like dirty sluts in public/outspoken about it.. USA is going to be the best choice..

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“They like sex just like American girls, and they like to suck cock”. I dont know why, but this made me laugh. I honestly used to believe all EE women were conservative.

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This made laugh and is the second best definition of game that I’ve heard; “These experiences make me wonder if game is nothing more than a tool to be used on a girl who doesn’t object to our general look.”
The first is mine; “game is the means to obtain and retain women in your league”

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I would add “Game is the application of social intelligence to screw girls who are reasonably attainable for your individual potential”.

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This works too.

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In this case, US is fucked, cos I have seen some ridiculously handsome men eight plus, dating obese properly mentally Ill chain smoking women who rate a two at best. And this girl fucked a lot of handsome men at med school! So hypergamy on overdrive is here.

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PS I am not saying the UK is any better. At least the US will exist in future.

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NO surprise here at all! And North American males are the ones to blame for the current state of things.
American or Canadian males will always go an extra mile or two in a desperate attempt to please even the ugliest and fattest female hoping to finally get that elusive access to female pussy.
And WHY should women even attempt to change anything when they have an endless supply of desperate, sex hungry male slaves willing to obey every order they are given and to comply with every female demand?????
North American males get what they deserve!

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Supply and demand my friend.. simple economics. America is one large cock fest.. 90% of the time, it will be a cock fest. As far as statistics online say, the East Coast is actually NOT a cock fest, however, I haven’t seen it firsthand, nor do I believe it.. propaganda. Therefore, disgusting ass hoes here, will have every dude and their brother, trying to stick their cocks in them.. Women here don’t have to work for it. I know countless numbers of dudes, that will spend every last cent, trying to get their bone on.. When you feed the animals, they get used to it. I’m not willing to keep up with them, and spend every last cent for shit ass quality.. Just go online, POF.Com or OkCupid.com.. Look up a random place in America, and see how many of the girls are fat and disgusting.

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PERFECT! I agree with every word you wrote on here!
I don’t know about America, but Canada is number 1 in the world in categories ” Number of online dating sites, profiles created and time spent online on those dating sites”!!!
I keep repeating over and over that North American females do not have to change since they have an endless and ever growing supply of sex hungry and desperate males willing to go not 1 but 10 extra miles to meet every possible and impossible requirements coming from any fat whale of a woman and to obey every order they are given by their female Masters.
Things ain’t gonna change until males realize that THEY ARE THE PROBLEM and start manning up, daring to stand up and be counted, having OWN opinion and leading by example!
Do not blame females for the current state of things in dating in America! But blame MALES for allowing all this shit to happen!

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10-4 good buddy

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Absolutely, the US is completely fucked.

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Corollary: “It is very doable to raise or lower your league standing through improved/worsened fitness, clothing, hair, job, money, status within subgroup, confidence, etc.” and “Game can help you or nudge you with some of those.”

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Agreed

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I liked Moscow. When a girl hooked, she was really fast to make out with me. Think close to Brazilian speed. A mixture of cultural understanding and caveman game is successful there, but bangs are a different story, especially with the challenging logistics. I think the easiest way to bang a Russian girl is to catch her on vacation elsewhere, like a Bulgarian or Turkish all-inclusive resort, which can be a pretty hit-or-miss strategy itself.

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Simply put, Ukrainian girls are slightly better. In Ukraine, the American dollar goes a looooooong way… Also, the more oppressed the country, the better the women will be. This has the opposite effect on the men. More affluent countries produce good men & bad women. As Ukraine is facing harder times than Russia, the women are better in Ukraine. I like the smaller butts. Roosh likes a bigger @$$ for some reason. After seeing so may disgusting @$$es here in the USA, I appreciate the ones that will fit in a single hand.

Also, you don’t need a Visa to enter Ukraine but Russia is a pain in the dick to enter. Consider this: (this was the bull$hit I had to go through to get to Yekaterinburg, Russia)

You will need to pay for the invitation, then pay the consulate & you will need to register when you arrive. Regulations are very painful, do not expect to travel very far without some sort of support. The visa regulations for Russia are costly, tedious & take a lot of time.

You may also need to supply proof of medical insurance, copies of bank statements, a letter from you employer & in some rare cases more.

If you wish to travel for longer than 30 days you may need establish some “contacts” who can help you arrange a business or special visa.

Transit visas can be arranged that are valid for 3 days. They may be a lot easier to arrange.
You will get more bang for your buck in Kyiv as opposed to Moscow.

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Tyko explains it perfectly.. I did a visa to Russia for a month, back in 2009.. I had the Visa place take care of it all, so I didn’t have to provide proof of anything, and plus, it was only 30 days. However.. when I tried to register the visa upon arriving, I wasn’t staying at a hotel, so I had to do it on my own with the help of friends, and they couldn’t even figure it out.. most of the people where we were registering, were angry and dick heads.. people in Russia are assholes, and will not help you. Even at the places where they are SUPPOSED to be helping you.

With everyone going on with Russia, it’s definitely better to go to Ukraine. If you like fat asses and huge titties, probably not the best place to go.. but you can find everything there.

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True that, pal. Visa and registration regulations are indeed very strict in Russia. Nothing has changed from those Soviet times .
Russia is still a nice country, but only if you can arrange a visa, have good friends over there and travel in summer. It’s all dark, boring, grey, dull and dirty come October…

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I take it you will cut us a deal and not take advantage of our desperation to fuel your dream of living out of the Anglosphere?

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so in terms of price poland and ukraine are the phillipines and thailand of ee. only women are hotter but not as easy

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FSU girls are much better looking!

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thats what i meant is quality paradise of sexy women whilw sea is notch paradise of ok lookin women. while middle east africa and south asia is dick paradise. the west and latin america are in the middle..

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The secret to cracking the Russian code (esp. in Moscow where I’m living) is being super direct and mirroring the behaviour of the guys, just with some soft dominance thrown in. Same day lays, d2 lays and adventurous girls are all possible but you need to filter hard. Take no prisoners. This is ultimate direct street game.

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This is good data.

What neighborhoods or streets have the highest comcentration of really fine womem in the City?
Can you go super direct on college aged girls?

How much of a monthly bankroll in USD is needed to do this and go out to game and drink fairly often?

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I would say be direct, yes.. Tell them to come back to your place for drinks, etc. However, make sure they already know you aren’t some creepy/stalker/murderer. To get around this, it helps to be in some inner social circles.. that means, a friend introduced you to this specific girl who you are inviting over, therefore she has a direct link to you, and assumes you are not a killer.

In Ukraine, going out will vary.. It depends which club you are going to, and what you are drinking, etc. Bottle service was cheap.. You could get a bottle of Vodka and 5 red bulls for 18-21 dollars.. Mixed drinks are a hot item in EE, especially tequila, but that can run you a high bill.. Everything is about half the price as drinks in American clubs.. so expect to spend 50% less than you would here.

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Well said, have you aggressively daygamed in Ukraine as well?? ..if so how is Moscow comparing for you??

Do you find Daygame is the way to go in Moscow, so much so that Night game is a waste of time??

Also what’s ur advice for an English speaker hunting down a great apartment for longer term??

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Great apartment for long term? Get yourself a good male friend in Eastern Europe and ask him to arrange accommodation for you way in advance.
Or come to my mini hotel just south of Odessa :-))
You have to build at least some kind of a network before coming for an extended period of time.

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“These experiences make me wonder if game is nothing more than a tool to be used on a girl who doesn’t object to our general look.”

I’ll second that notion. Game is useless without getting ‘the look’ right. I’ll bet a bazillion gazillion dollars that getting the right look comes before learning to spit.

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I would be very interested in your insights on current events/politics in EE. You touched on it once a few months ago, but it would be great to hear more.

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I’m in Eastern Europe as we speak:-) Would you be interested in MY thoughts by any chance?:-)

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Certainly. What are your thoughts on the Ukraine/Russia situation, and what can you tell us that isn’t being reported in Western media?

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To make a long story short and clear:
1. Western media does not even give a glimpse of realities in Ukraine.
2. The coup d’état which took place in February overthrew the officially elected president and paved the wave to a neo nazi regime based on hate and supremacy of Ukrainians. Too bad it’s never reported in the mainstream media which keep bringing up a rosy picture of a “developing democracy” in Ukraine. But it’s enough to watch Ukrainian TV for 1 hour to understand that I’m right.
3. The problem with Ukraine as a state is that folks here always seem to blame someone else for their OWN faults and mistakes. It’s always a fault of “Russia, Putin, Poland, evil bankers, USA for not supporting Ukraine enough, European Union for not giving Ukraine enough trade and visa preferences, bad weather, good weather, windy weather, too much rain, too much snow, not enough rain, political turmoil, lack of political turmoil etc etc ect” ! But they never dare to admit own faults, lack of knowledge, will power, skills and competency. The country has accomplished NOTHING, a big fat zero, in 23+ years of independence. It ain’t an inch closer to the European Union, visa free travel, sustainable development of country’s economy and finances. Millions of Ukrainians are dreaming about the day when they finally get a chance to immigrate!
4. To sum it all up: do not believe a word Western media is vehemently trying shovel down your throat! Better come here yourself and experience the country first hand. It’s still beautiful, people are friendly and girls are stylish and sexy.

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Good to know, thanks.

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1) Pickup artists will always have to grind out and work hard. Even if your game is top notch, it never comes easy.

2) If you have the ‘look’ a girl desires then things get much easier

3) The nature of a flake is a girl you have enough charisma to get the attention of, but do not have the “look” she desires

4) Social proof/repeated shared experiences can build an attraction which trumps having ‘the look’ (Impossible unless you’re lucky enough for a hot girl to be in your life routine)

5) Famous men are the only men truly living in actual easy pussy paradise.

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In my experience this pretty much sums it up “game is nothing more than a tool to be used on a girl who doesn’t object to our general look.”

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I’m Russian and I thought your article was somehow interesting… Then I googled you and I do not understand how a man with such poor looks and ridiculous style (that long nasty hair and nasty beard) is able to give “game advie” ?
I wonder what kind of girls you do “Bang”, I mean man, LOOK AT YOUR OWN FUCKING UGLY FACE!

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Roosh is natural beta. Let betas dream. The “hot 9/10” girl they banged is really a 6 at the highest. 90% of the girls they attract are gold diggers.

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I am in Russia now and i agree with you.
Clubs are hard but for Russian they allow them even they look shitty.
It is taking too long to get them to the room.
But, you feel great eventhough with those angry birds.
21 to 25 are busy with life.
27 to 35 are divorced and possible.
I donot know what the fucking wrong with italyain and spanish but its thier old moive effect. They donot know that they are not better than thier Russian men anyway.
I believe its a nice journey with beauty at first, but as the relationship grows it will become more difficult.

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I’m in my 50s, spend time in Moscow and other cities. My trick is that I look on the dating sites, and offer a girl 7000 rubles for 2-3 hours sex. I only do 7’s or better – most are 8’s. Look for girls who say they want a sponsor, or sex.

If I go out and try to pick up a girl it will easily cost me more than that. I’d rather find a decent girl who needs money for tuition, rent, or whatever, and do her.

Worst city I’ve found is St. Petersburg, called the “city of old women” by Russians. Moscow, Ekaterinburg, Vladivostok, Krasnodar, etc. are all good going the dating site route.

By the way, if a Russian girl tells you she’s not a prostitute when you offer, the correct answer is “I know, I can see you are a nice girl. The money is a present when we are done to help with your expenses.”

She is not saying she won’t sleep with you, but she isn’t a prostitute. So keep the money on offer, let her keep her honor, and she’ll come to see you.

A sidenote: Russian girls don’t like wimps, but if you act like a man, and make love to them instead of just using them, they’ll give you rides and bj’s you’ll remember forever.

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Btw, the girls I’m talking about pulling are 18-24.

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HAHA you suck. You can’t get in a girls pants until a month. You’re an idiot. I got into a Russians pants in TWO DAYS.

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Whoever wrote this post have no clue what he is talking about probably Russian … Polish girls easier than Russian that’s some kind of joke I know many guys Around the world who told me how many Russians they slept with not even once mentioned polish . Ukraine one of the poorest country in Europe super high prostitution and robbery one of my friend sent there for buisness almost got killed by hooker

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Hey guys, hope it is alright for me to share,
Russian girl to me is somehow very complex. I met one NSK Russian in phuket and we got the click at the first meeting, I would say she’s a 6+ish, no a gold digger, and speak quite some good English. I would not consider myself speical as I am only 5.6″ 120 lbs lean muscle with low fat content, average looking Asian guy. However it has some true that regardless how she likes you to get into bed is another ball game with them. I have broken my limit with white (Australian – Spanish British descent) and (Australian – Italian Yugoslavian descent). However those two are colleagues & they see me not as a stereotyped Asian. However I am always very fascinated by European (particularly Eastern European chic). Any pointers for Asian guy like me to be in the game ? FYI my much larger brother 5.6 154 lbs managed to catch the eyes of Vladivostok chic (a solid 8) and I assume Europeans chic fancy bigger guys
Thanks

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KInda surprised having read ur review cause my impression from Russia is totally opposite. Well ut’s because
I was n St. Petersburg not in Moscow. I dont really know much about girls in Ukraine but russians are easygoing and upbeat especially with foreigners. I once went out to hang with a coupla friends from France. You should have seen how local girls really get on them, and me too smile We hit one bar and I was like hailed my homie Pierre in a while and found him making out with a hottie reven-head. Wow it’s been like 5 min. We hooked up with a couple of girls and you u know they led us to a local strip bar Zavist. It was them naughty hot things who offered us to hit a strip bar. They gone wild inside, dancing with strippers, taking body-shots. Bisex? who knows, but it was cool. a crazy night out.

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Slowest sex speed now that is too funny!

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….I found the same to be true…In St. Petersburg for 2 weeks, and it was hard to get a goodnight kiss…!!!……It’s their fairly strict Russian Orthodox up-bringing, which isn’t necessarily bad….just slow.

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Meh, I prefer South America. Better food, cheaper prices, better weather, friendlier sexier women who are actually better in bed too.

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WTF is Russia so bloody expensive? I mean Russians do not make that make money! For example

http://blogs.elenasmodels.com/en/average-monthly-income-russia-wages-rosstat/

Average Russian makes 1k a month!

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Maybe, this has to do with the fact that you are American? And when I say American, I mean American, I’ve met lots of Iranians that were born in Norway, Sweden, Germany,France the UK and from your writings I still assume you are *just* American. What was an advantage for you in Oslo ( while me from Southeastern Europe would have completely different stories to tell) was a disadvantage in Russia, that’s life

All the Russian girls I’ve met are terribly approachable new ppl, they take initiative, they talk naturally, they simply ask what they want, a more sophisticated version of let’s say Romanian and Bulgarian women.

The truth is I haven’t got to know Russian women as much in depth as I had wished for. Talked to two of them in two different occasions, one in Thailand, one in Cyprus, kept on talking naturally with breaks fro 3-4 hours, then they simply invited themselves with me, expecting nothing but my company.