6 Ways Poland Is Becoming Degenerate Like America

I’ve recently written of my intense disappointment in returning to a country in which the women and culture are becoming more like what we have in America. Here are six negative changes I’ve noticed in Poland since my first visit in 2011:

1. More tattoos

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Young men and women are disfiguring themselves with the typical sort of tattoo scribbles that is already epidemic in America. Polish people are deciding to pursue their individualist side by permanently drawing obnoxious things on their body instead of actually achieving something worthwhile that makes them superior to the common man.

2. More ear gauges

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Tattoos are tame compared to the sudden, prevalent, and frankly shocking use of ear gauges, whereby people irreversibly stretch and mutilate their ear lobes to appear cool. While it’s possible for the occasional tattoo to look good, ear gauges never look good, and make it seem like the victim is hoping to gain membership in a backwards jungle tribe that has yet to encounter electricity. Since tattoos and ear gauges go hand in hand, you can only imagine the freakshows Poland now has on display.

3. More in-your-face homosexual behavior

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Displaying your homosexuality used to be culturally forbidden and even dangerous in an former Soviet satellite like Poland, but you’re starting to see an increase in guys who are gay, proud, and loud. Just last month for the first time in Eastern Europe ever I saw two men passionately kissing in front of a pizza shop. If what’s happening on USA soil is any indication, being gay in Poland will soon be seen as hip, trendy, and progressive. Both men and women will experiment with it, as if catching a sort of virus, and step back from more traditional and humanizing features of Polish culture that have historically been centered around religion.

4. More binge drinking

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The only country I had to do the ‘vomit slalom’ was Iceland. This is where I had to look down while walking around the club district at night during the weekend so I didn’t step in vomit because of how common Icelanders puke on the street. This didn’t use to be needed in Poland, but now it does.

Both men and women are competing to consume near-lethal amounts of alcohol while partying. This is so consistent, especially among the men, that a good way I display value to women is to simply be sober at 3am and speak in complete sentences without slurring or swaying my body, but now even girls have so taken to drink that it’s getting harder to have normal conversations with them in night venues than in the recent past.

5. More smartphone addiction

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The technology virus has infected Poland. Most Poles who own a smartphone are unable to endure a minute or two of downtime without obsessively checking something on their phone or distracting themselves with music. A girl who would normally look up to the person who walked into the room is now looking through her Facebook account or playing a silly game, oblivious to her surroundings. While girls don’t yet have multiple online dating accounts, that’s just a matter of time.

Human interaction in Poland is being steadily replaced by technology that has America’s narcissistic and brain-dead ways of behaving built right into the device. No formal learning required.

6. More career-obsessed women

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Polish women have always been feminist in that they wanted their own career alongside family, but now they are throwing family under the bus. I’ve begun noticing Polish girls shaming their friends who decide to get married early, something you would never see in Ukraine and Russia.

Even worse is that I’m encountering a lot of Polish girls who speak of long-term travel and “Euro trips.” While it’s possible for men to find themselves through travel, the only thing a girl finds is exotic cock. Polish girls are racing to become corporate whores at the same time they’re becoming actual whores for sexy Mediterranean men who spit a smooth game.

What amazes me is the speed at which a culture can degrade. I was so unsure that the observations above were objective that I had to discuss them with other men to be sure—both Polish and foreign. They’ve confirmed that the changes I’ve seen are really occurring, that Poland is adapting the worst of the West and that there isn’t much to be done about it. The women will lead the way to the bottom and the men will have no choice but to keep up with them in order to squeeze out the last drop of genuine intimacy left before Western degeneracy crushes them completely.

There is no stopping the decline of the sort that Poland is experiencing. It’s too hard to change the minds of a large percentage of the population who have been deceived in thinking that the West’s soulless value system is their path to happiness and riches. When they approach the end of the rainbow they’ll be surprised to find that there is no pot of gold, and that they’ve lost what can never be regained.

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Chris Adams
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Don’t you know that one selfie “ear gauge girl” took was the entire point of her mangling herself in such a way to begin with. Sad.

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Roosh, this is disheartening. I would think the smaller towns are slower to adopt such deterioration. There are some gems on the north coast of Poland, west of Gdansk. I hear you though, and it looks like Kiev may the the place for me to go. This cost of living comparison calculator is great, but should have bangability stats! http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jsp

So, for now it seems Ukraine/Moldova is the last hope? I had great success in Varna, Bulgaria but curious about Minsk and other strange towns

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The places with the best women right now are also the toughest to live in long term.

Unless you really want a wife and family, the best option at the moment is pursuing women for short and medium-term sexual rewards in less optimal Westernized environments.

That said, I’m keeping my eye on Belarus to open up just slightly.

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Belarus is fun.

I’ve been here for about 6 months (native russian speaker, lived in the west for most of my life. If you are ever around and want to talk about living here, let me know.

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Do you live in Minsk? How is the girl situation there?

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Agreed, the best women are nonwesternized.

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Ah man this has made me sad as hell. I should have fucking started years ago when you were already extolling the joys of Poland.

The alternative theory is though that by your promotion of love tourism the poosie paradises dry up quicker. And that while we appreciate the heads up on a country (genuinely) , by the time you’ve promoted it and it’s become disseminated, enough cock has arrived that, that plus modernity has meant the well is empty.

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I got visa-free entry for the ice hockey in Belarus last year. Literally met some of the most wholesome, beautiful females I’ve ever met.

Shit-hole though. Snag a wife and gtfo.

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Don’t take them to countries where the cultural poison will affect them.

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Well if you live in the US and want to remain in the US what should one do? I plan on staying in the US as I work here and make decent living but would love to marry someone from Eastern Europe

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Indeed. Read about an american man who married a colombian woman. She was the epitome of feminine and they lived together for 8 years in Colombia.Then they moved to the U.S. Within 2 years, she had become completely americanized to the point where he didn’t recognize her anymore. Divorce eventually followed of course…

So yes… if you fall in love with a woman from a economically less developed nation, see it as a godsend and stay there if possible. Don’t bring them to the poison.

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Life is always a trade off. Feminine women and shitty places go hand in hand. It’s a survival mechanism. The more affluent a place the more ridiculous the behavior of it’s inhabitants. Especially the women.

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Errrr.. wrong answer.. Snag a wife and lose your retirement. Once she gets here, and realizes she can have all your shit, and doesn’t have to wash your underwear or cook for you, those days of being taken care of are over. You can’t stop the poison of the western mentality, unless you speak her language and keep her sheltered.. Inevitably, she’s going to break free.. Just sayin.

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Sorry, but where exactly is here? Your house? Haha I’m based in Thailand, moron.

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Majority of the guys here are based in a Western country, so fuck you.

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I’m starting to convince myself that we’ll have a better chance of inventing a warp drive and getting out of here than stopping “the cancer”

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true that brother. God speed to us all.

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The greatest place in the world for women in Moscow. There is no city on Earth with a higher concentration of “dream girls” than Moscow.

However, it is also how some of the toughest game in the world. But a universal game rule is that any country where the women are easy is a country where the women are low-quality. High-quality women are NOT easy, anywhere in the world. Maybe you could fuck some Western crackhead model the same night, she is hot, but she is not a high-quality partner. A true high-quality girl with a great amout of “human” value will never be easy.

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The only country where the girls will be of “high value” is a country where the men look out for each other. It is brotherhood that determines the value of the women

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Only places with a high amount of alpha males have quality women.

Women, even in the state of nature, are DESIGNED to have their lives lead by men. Their whole psychological nature evolved around male dominance. Like a machine, one of its parts, a premise of its design, is male dominance. This explains why the lack of it generates such toxic and useless women.

To keep a society of high-value women, you NEED a majority of alpha males. This male dominance is what keeps them in check, keeps them traditional and feminine. Any country with a large proportion of beta males will ALWAYS have low-quality women. Because this is the case in most countries in the world, there are only a handful of countries, probably less than 20, where high-quality women still remain.

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That’s a relative term. Are Mormons alpha? Are Hasidic Jews alpha? Nerdy Beta types from both these groups walk around with super hot wives.

A society of men that acts with brotherhood is superior in effectiveness on every level than a society of individually superior men that have no loyalty to one another.

The more men stab each other in the back, the more necessary it is for a woman from that society to filter out for a man who is tough and ruthless. Pleasantness and a good convo will not make up for a weakling who will get her and her children killed or ruined.

When the men decided to lift all the bounds on slut shaming, 90% of the women went for the top 10% of attractive men. The other 90% of men were left to orbit the bottom 10% of women. Making even that group of women utterly intolerable to be around. The women then start filtering for more and more aggressive traits, as aggressive makes have a higher survival potential in an uncivilized culture, hence douchebag culture, which feeds the imperative to choose a douche. Those men not selected for highly aggressive behavior must either adopt a “sneaker fucker” strategy, heavy indirect game, or beta orbiter/hyena matriarchy game. Which means the men sort out into three groups

1. The intolerable. (The aggressive)
2. The untrustworthy (sneaky)
3. The worthless. (Beta orbiters)

The women will now start to display highly aggressive characteristics, both as warning coloration (tats, skill is haircuts, mannish body language, shitty clothing) to scare off predators (other females), to attract highly aggressive males for breeding, and to offer promise of both protection and potential breeding opportunity to second tier makes if they serve (orbit).

The manosphere has to begin to face an important truth, the only way to escape that hell is to refocus the minds of men on the importanc elf brotherhood.

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excellent comment. it’s plausible that this is what’s going on in people’s subconsciousness.

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Please post the pic of the Hasidic Jew with the super hot wife of which you refer.

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Very well said. I believe we in America are in the throes of mostly polarized species of men.Hyper douchebag guys like Metal Mulitia and M.M.A douchebag wannabees and super beta types like hipsters. Its up to neo masculinists to outsmart and outgame these two misguided extremes of ” men” in America.

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I agree brother. If I knew how I would have done so by now.. Any Ideas?

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I think the answer is to read up and apply some of the stuff Ive been taking in like the stuff Carlos Xuma/ David Shade material. Carlos basically writes the manual on how to just be a decent masculine man that doesnt need to be a peacock douchebag to get what he wants in life. I wish his material was available 30 years ago but then again I had to come from the blue pill to appreciate what I know now. The David Shade stuff deals with female sexuality coming from a psychological viewpoint since sex is pretty much mental when it comes down to it. Xuma’s Alpha Masculinity is a good start and Shades “manual” is HIGHLY recommended.

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Great comment. This is an idea worth discussing in greater depth.

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The groups you listed seek to maximize group utility, whereas most men in Western society seek to maximize individual utility. Very different results.

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I’m going to have to argue that none of the english speaking countriesd like us or uk are alpha male countries. The few alpha males that exist cannot maintain frame in a society that rewards female degeneracy.

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Great comment.. If anyone ever wants to see what having beta males can do to a place, go to central or backwoods California.. The fattest most disgusting women. They literally roll out of bed with their “Juicy Couture” sweats on, don’t even wear makeup or bother brushing their teeth.. They then drive their 99 Pontiac Grand-Am to Wal-Mart. This is where the bust out the food stamps, and endless amount of government aide. The really fucked up part? They could go anywhere like that at any time, and they would have dick thrown at them non-stop. Men here are the thirstiest of the thirsty.

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Hence why marriage and tribalism/race awareness are sdomewhat important.

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Although many men of the same race are race destroyers or weak manginas.

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Can you blame race traders though? I can find about 3 to 5 hot latinas working at a Del Taco that have a sense of femininity and humility and be hard pressed to find a white girl with class and those same charcteristics. You cant even find that at a nice club. White girls are the new black girls.

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Damn, that’s so true.

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100%.

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That is actually very true! I remember when in Poland men used to be, let’s say, nice to each other, to have some kind of men brotherhood. Then, it means now, one man is against another man, at the same time encouraged to this by female, and/or trying to please female

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Western women are mostly for dumpster divers, even the hot ones. Even most of the ones dating a hot,rich boyfriend are eyefucking men all over and getting dick on the side.

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Straight up. They are always shopping, even when they have the house, kids and two cars.

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I can’t tell you how many co-worker’s wives are waiting for the 10 year mark of marriage, so they can divorce them and take their check.. for life (after 10 years, alimony is for life).

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That’s why we can never forget that women are hypergamous and we must use it against them. They have to know that they will be financially destroyed if they fuck you over. Their morality forced upon them, rather than chosen.
Sadly, this rarely exists in the West. The only hope at this point is to build wealth in the West and move to a poorer nation, getting with a woman who would be committing self destruction by fucking you over.

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“The greatest place in the world for women in Moscow. There is no city on Earth with a higher concentration of “dream girls” than Moscow”

Moscow females are glorified whores, every fucking one of them.

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How many of them have you actually fucked/dated?

tickletik
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[insert city here] are glorified whores, every fucking one of them.

/fixed it for ya

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That leaves only the country girls I guess wink

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No one demand them to be “easy”. But it’s becoming impossible. In the west, hot women are not available to layman anymore, under no circumstances. They hate the average man with a vengeance so approach at own risk. I know no one and I mean NO one, who has a hot women in her prime as a girlfriend. None in my family, at my job or among my friends. What is available is wall victims and fatties.

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Even poor girls from small towns all across Europe spend a lot of time on FB shit-testing (such as guilting people for attention and responses), attention whoring, getting their ego stroked, and posting constant selfies.

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except that I don’t see nothing wrong with homosexuality and I am happy that super stars like my babe Ariana Grande support us, each time I tell people she is on our side, I see how they shut up lol enjoy smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HDdjwpPM3Y

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The way this cities to stay gems – it for western man stay the hell out of it with their game obsession. Good small city men in Poland are not shy to bit the hell out of to eager to get laid foreigners.

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Roosh, this is disheartening. I would think the smaller towns are slower to adopt such deterioration. There are some gems on the north coast of Poland, west of Gdansk. I hear you though, and it looks like Kiev may the the place for me to go. This cost of living comparison calculator is great, but should have bangability stats! http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jsp

So, for now it seems Ukraine/Moldova is the last hope? I had great success in Varna, Bulgaria but curious about Minsk and other strange towns

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The traveling part is certainly true. I’m gradually seeing more of those party-travelling all included deals where Poles go around Europe getting wasted, just like the brits already do.

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I’m currently in Latin america. I have witnessed the same patterns int the big cities. But, in the less populated areas, you can still find some young sexually inexperienced women if you take the time.

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That is the saving grace of nonwestern societies. They will survive in future. They will haver hot, feminine women in future.

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The problem is that the virus that trashes cultures and their women spawn from America. This disease will continue reaching other countries until the USA collapses.

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@disqus_zPAIUFynhW:disqus
Until the men and women develop immunity to this cultural disease that is.

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It happens faster than you think.

And curing it? That’s what Red Pills, Anti-Puritanism, and many other solutions are there for.

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And you have to get non-college educated. Some college girls in Latin America are sniffing the toxic waves of feminism. They might not mimic the talking points well, but they have gotten the gist.

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Right, you basically want to avoid the girl with her own car and iphone who is fully supported by her family while she goes for an HR degree. This is the same as in the States/Canada. However, I find that women who study short term certificate programs to work as secretaries, hair stylists, kinder garden teachers, etc. are far better options for LTRs. They usually work at the same time to cover their study expenses (ex. waitress) and they have not much time/money left to party. A plus is if they come from a traditional family with strong moral values.

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“I find that women who study short term certificate programs to work as
secretaries, hair stylists, kinder garden teachers, etc. are far better
options for LTRs.”
-Exactly. Hopefully, given the rising cost of education, this trend continues to grow in the US. The traditional universities are offering $50,000 degrees in man hating studies. Students are, for financial reasons, opting to get certificates instead. hopefully, economics will crush the SJW stranglehold on traditional universities.

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Economies and the SJWs own stupidity will crush them.

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And chicks in HR dictate who gets fired!!!!

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Please don’t get me started on women in HR.

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Please give an example of women in HR!!

Here is mine. A friend got a position in a small company HR. An employee came to her complaining of harassment. The manager followed up and asked my friend “what did she say to you?” I can’t tell you it’s confidential. Then the manager got ANGRY “what DID she say to you?” My friend she folded and told the guy.

Another story is a male friend got accused of ‘standing too close’ to a female. She complained. HR asked is it a proximity issue? Yes she said. Well HR chick must have looked up and found nothing but ability to charge SEXUAL HARASSMENT! My friend got let go. And it was all a LIE!

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Teachers, nurses, pediatrics are good professions, they tend to draw more nurturing and feminine types.

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and yet its Ukrainian men who move to Poland not the other way around

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To rise out of poverty, not to date Polish women, unlike Westerners who may go to Poland.

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that is true but they are attracted to Poland and its success. and the success comes from western influence – low corruption, high production rates, successfull companies, european legislation, protection of both males and females by the law. on average polish men are happier than ukrainian men, they live longer lives. if poland still were a post soviet shithole, women would probably be bangable and more desperate but men would also live very tough and hard lives and die of alcohol consumption at 50 like russian men do. so yeah Ukraine is good for pussy chasers but not for a successfull and happy life. dont bash the western influence because it does a lot of good things to eastern europe and helps its men become successfull. the western influence should simply be combined with conservative upbringing that will produce family minded, respectfull and dateable women, but at the same time teach men to respect and value women and family while remaining masculine.

the patriarch backasswards russian/ukrainian mentality raises men who only become criminals and kill each other for power and resources while the women remain lonely and desperate. ukraine is a good place for a short term sex adventure for those who take advantage of broken and hopeless girls (that crave love and stability and become easy prey for western PUAs) but ukraine is not a good place to raise a family, build your own business and bring up a son to be a man(unelss you want him to turn in a convict and thief like yanukovich). no wonder ukrainian men gravitate towards poland germany or sweden rather than russia (that is supposed to be a heaven for criminal minded alpha males). have you still not realised why the west won the cold war?

the problem with western cultures that it pushes the feminsit agenda too far but this will never be possible in russia or ukraine whre women are so plentyfull, men will always be able to find a non-feminst beautiful wife. westernisation and a healthy dose of equality would do russia a lot of good. it would heal our men from their obsession with power that ultimately leads them towards premature death on battlefields. it would also help them to start think and act more like human beings rather then monsters. plus it would give wetern men an opportunity to live in a normal eastern european country, date good quality women and build string families. same with ukraine. it would also make western feminist bitches see that men do have a nice alternative and dont have to put up with their shit no more. overall if ukraine and russia fall under the wetsern influence it will help both sides. western(american) influence is a good medicine if taken in proper doses.

as for Poland becoming more westernized…. ask any polish guy in his 50s whether they want to go back to being part of the soviet block and hear their answer.

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Your commingling of topics in an effort to define cause and effect is poor. A patriarchal society does not inherently lead to criminality.

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yes but in places like russia and ukraine it does. usa would be a healthier country if it were more patriarch but in russia patriarchy means the rule of teh strongest. it means that people are not protected by the state and can only rely on themselves. if russia became more westernized our men would finally take responcibiliets in their actions and treat women kinder. it would give women more reasons to trust men and be more submissive. by being cruel control freaks russian men destroy their own womens trust and love. Im afraid that if western countries choose the complete and absolute patriarchy it will make relationships between men and women even worse. instead wetsern men need to try and create more competition for american women which will ultimately lessen the effects of feminism. a traditional religious upbringing in schools and churches wouldnt hurt either. by demonizing women roosh only makes things worse. I have a problem with roosh because he generalizes all women and other blog members may treat estern european women like crap because of the actions of american feminists. Im sorry but we have enough problems in eastern europe without american males coming and fucking us all up even worse. id ratehr see them building families in russia and ukraine thus presenting a traditional alternative to american way of life instead of humping and dumping desperate girls who will later become bitchy and cruel. we dont deserve it out load is too heavy laready

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What’s wrong with the rule of the strongest?? Should everyone follow Canadian pattern and hire unskillful and unfit women to police forces, fire departments, border services etc just to fill the quota given by the Canadian Federal Government ruled by the Affirmative Action??
Roosh ain’t demonizing women, he’s simply telling the truth which obviously ain’t welcome by all the feminazis around here.
And if you still wonder: I’ve made a move FROM Canada To Ukraine/Russia 6 years ago, I’m happily married with kids and never looked back or regretted leaving Canada!

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yes the rule of the strongest means if your wallet gets stolen, teh olice dont give a shit. if your business gets taken away by the mafia you cant do anything against it. if someone wants to hire someones friend or son you dont get a job even if you are more skilled. democracy means equal opportunities for everyone and protection, thats what ukrainians are fighting for. not feminism and reverse discrimination

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Oh fuck…. Just stop this BULLSHIT about “democracy meaning equal opportunities and protection”. Just fucking STOP IT!
Have YOU ever heard about Affirmative Action, Quota hiring, Organizational Needs Hiring and political correctness??? I guess NOT. Cause people who have heard or experienced it all would NEVER EVER tell the bullshit about “equal opportunities and democracy in the West”.
And by the way, if you like Ukraine soooo much, then WHY are you in Germany right now? Hypocrisy much?

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Hey FormerCanadian – the female in question is east European living in a westernized country, obviously she’s stupid like every other cunt that gets fed propaganda

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Yes, she IS stupid! But the problem is that STUPIDITY is a new “religion” and way of life the West.
First people are fed all kinds of propaganda mainstream politically correct bullshit, then people stop thinking and start believing everything they are being told by the mainstream politically correct media and finally people turn into stupid soulless robots and puppets who live by what the TV propaganda machine is telling them is right or wrong while losing the ability to think and analyze things independently!!!!
This Nelli is a perfect example of an immigrant from the former SU who absolutely HAS TO justify her move West by finding all kinds of bullshit information or simply bad mouthing the country where she was born!
Hypocrisy at its best!
P.S. It comes as NO surprise that she completely ignored my questions since they are beyond her comprehension of the world.

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of course I am a cunt. happily married with child. you on the other hand are the example of high moral values.

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And you even fucking dare to mention “moral values”?
YOU tell those who have enough guts to disagree with you to FUCK OFF, YOU never answer any questions, YOU tell lies and at the same time you DARE to talk about moral values?
What a picture perfect example of a feminazi and Western world hypocrisy!

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Sorry homie, you made some good points, but you shit the bed with this one. 1) You think the police here in Cali give a shit about your wallet? Go to L.A. where you have to wait an hour and a half for a cop to show up, to take a report of your house being broken into. They prioritize calls, and that’s not one of the important ones. 2) Your business won’t get taken away when you pay taxes to the right people. What’s the difference between that, and having a business here in America, where you are taxed at such outrageous rates, you can’t afford to stay open? Business owners here get FUCKED.. It’s all franchises, and corporations now. 3) Dude, it’s not what you know, it’s who you know. That same shit happens here.. I don’t know why you think it wouldn’t. I don’t know where you live, but it must be pretty fuckin sheltered.

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You do realize that everything you are saying is also a tacit statement as to why increasing numbers of young people are learning and embracing the new conservatism and are rejecting western Bullshit?

You do, also realize, that this kind of shit will eventually lead to the death of democracy, a trend that only looks set to intensify with after the failures of both occupy and the Arab Spring?

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“if russia became more westernized our men would finally take responsibilities in their actions and treat women kinder”

And that in turn would make women treat men like shit.

There can be no equality between the sexes

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Nelli, you must be some Russian or Ukrainian female living in either Canada or USA. Am I right?
So you are telling me that corruption is low in the West, production is high, companies are successful and legislation really protects males in females? What a fucking bunch of bullshit.
I bet you are one of those immigrants who happened to move away from Russia or Ukraine independently or as kids in a family with their parents, and hate everything coming from their childhood cause they constantly need to justify their move West by any means possible.
Do you wanna say that all Russian males are heavy drinkers? Are they all criminals?
Fuck you must be yet another feminazi.
So Yanukovich was a thief, eh? How fucking about Ukrainian Nazis like Jatsenjuk, Poroshenko, Turchinov and other creeps who bomb their own folks in Eastern Ukraine?
How about “Azov” battalion and its nazi symbol?
What the fuck do you know about Russia?
If Russia and Ukraine ever fall under the American/Western influence they’ll then turn into a hell hole like Canada ruled by political correctness, affirmative action, quota hiring, feminism and mass brainwashing.

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shut up vatnik.
P.S. I m originally from russia, grew up in ukraine, lived in russia, poland and germany as an adult currently work in germany. Ive always been against feminism untill our so called “brothers” started a war against ukraine by killing thousands of civillians. now I believe that any amount of feminism or political correctness may not be enough to cure russian terrorists and their shitty and abusive mentality. you dont like living in canada? why dont you move to donetsk and enjoy life with some wonderfull russian terrorists under bombs?

I grew up in a patriarch household and became extrmely anti patriarchy in 2014 thx to the wonderfull president putin and his actions

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I seem to remember that it was the EU who wanted to force the crimeans to join there failing and extremely indebted union. Had they not pressed the matter, there would be no conflict. The people of Eastern Ukraine wisely resist this change, which has destroyed the finances of Spain and Greece, (with more Nations to follow.)
Russia is in fact protecting the democratic(96%+) decision of the Eastern Ukrainians. The overwhelming majority want to be a part of Russia, so let them.

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big fat lie

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So the answer to the problem of Ukrainians denying Russians the moral right to live with other Russians (note that when the SU broke up, Ukrainians were not forced at gunpoint to stay in) is, wait for it….. …. feminism!
Next you will tell me that Bosnia & Herzegovina seceded from Yugoslavia (later to receive political and military backing from the west), but the Serbs were not allowed to secede from Bosnia.
And then, in a wild flight of fancy, you might even tell me that NATO bombed the Serbs so that Albanians could eventually desecrate Churches and continue subjugating Serbs and ethnically cleansing them from their homeland.
Hang on a minute….

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Man, you are asking a Ukrainian Nazi to THINK but they are UNABLE TO! They live by slogans and propaganda bullshit, they are UNABLE to think analytically or to admit the reality.
Ukraine is a doomed country since people here lost the ability to think and live by what TV propaganda is telling them is right or wrong.
I’ve mentioned above that Ukrainian Nazis are just like North American feminazis with their denial of reality, double standards and hypocrisy!
Feminism=Nazism.

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vatnik idi na huj

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1. I had no doubts that you wouldn’t answer my questions and would use swearwords instead of an answer cause feminazis never answer questions they do not like and Feminazis=Ukrainian Nazis.

2. You can go fuck yourself too. Too bad all Nazis weren’t eliminated/killed after the 2nd world war and now are alive and well in places like Ukraine, Germany, USA and Canada.

3. I’ll repeat my questions for the 3rd time hoping you have enough guts and honesty to answer them:

How fucking about Ukrainian Nazis like Jatsenjuk, Poroshenko, Turchinov and other creeps who bomb their own folks in Eastern Ukraine?
How about “Azov” battalion and its nazi symbol?
How about Ukrainian Nazi Army admitting bombing civilians in Donbass?
Will you blatantly deny all this happening???

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Sorry for the off topic, but…. you will never see THIS on CNN, CBS, Fox or CBC, Ukrainian or American/Canadian/Western European Nazi governments are blocking this information and not allowing sheeple to see what’s really going on in Eastern Ukraine where civilians are being killed daily by Ukrainian Nazi Army.

Today Ukrainian Army bombed a bus stop in Doneck as well as a place where people use to gather to get some social assistance and free food packages.

And these are real photos of the massacre by the Ukrainian Nazi Army:
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http://cs7004.vk.me/c7008/v7008519/21600/fR41Eo_iYd8.jpg

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WHAT is big fat lie? I guess anything which goes against Ukrainian Nazi brainwashing, eh?
How come Kosovo was allowed to become independent and Crimea or Eastern Ukraine are not? Double standards and hypocrisy much?
People of the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine voted on a Referendum about their INDEPENDENCE!!!! And an overwhelming majority supported the idea of joining the Russian Federation in the Crimea or becoming independent as in Eastern Ukraine (Donbass).
They VOTED on a REFERENDUM whereas you beloved Ukrainian Nazis were overthrowing the president and the parliament WITHOUT ANY VOTE being held thus forcing the will of a MINORITY on a majority of Ukrainian population!!! And if that ain’t a coup d’état then what IS???
So WHERE is the real democracy after all???
And again I do notice a trend: Ukrainian Nazis just like feminazis never answer any questions but throw in their propaganda bullshit and then pretend that they are the only ones who are always right and know everything.

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You make some good points sometimes, and I usually agree with you, but you are really stretching this shit out and hammering the fuck out of this Nazi, Bandera, Fascist thing.. That’s all I ever hear out of Russian’s mouths.. Everyone in Lviv is a Bandera, Fascist, or Nazi. The Tatars DIDN’T want to be part of Russia.. Look what happened last time they were part of that crew? They didn’t even allow them to vote for Crimean independence or not. They discriminate against them, and murder them. All of my Tatar friends were a lot happier with Crimea as part of Ukraine. Look.. California used to be owned/controlled by Mexico. What would happen if the people here in CA, which happen to be predominantly Mexican/Hispanic population, decided to vote and have California become part of Mexico again? People like me would be fucked.. i.e. Tatars. You think the U.S. Government would allow that? I’m pretty fucking sure they would roll through with tanks and military. Just sayin.

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I ain’t gonna argue with you and will just say that you HAVE TO LIVE HERE in order to really UNDERSTAND what’s going on. wink

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Bitch, go make us a sandwich!

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oh I ve found a lovely man to care and cook for thank you for asking. I do make him sandwiches or anything he asks for. you on the other hand should get ready for a life of loneliness and misery. you can of course always import a prostitute from the phlilippines maybe she ll take care of you. or you can order chinese food online.

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if what he´s saying is a lie, feel free to prove him wrong, i would very much to hear your arguments. because if you accuse someone of saying a “big fat lie”, you are kinda expected to explain why you think so and maybe present us some facts which we are not familiar with.

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Have you EVER seen a feminazi or a Ukrainian Nazi who could answer your questions or come up with valid facts backing up her/his words? wink
Do not fool yourself. Feminazis as well as Ukrainian Nazis live by what mainstream propaganda is telling them is right or wrong and blame those they are told to blame without ever questioning anything!
Ukraine now is one of the most hypocritical countries in the world and the problem with this country is that people keep looking for excuses and someone to blame FOR THEIR OWN PROBLEMS!
Yeah, it’s so easy to blame Russians and Putin for all the corruption, lies, killings, bombings, bribes and similar shit done by UKRAINIANS!!!

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look man i dont idealize ukraine but its russia who occupied us not teh other way around.

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oh i know that, i was just wondering if nelli p could give us actual arguments for what she´s saying. even when i disagree with someone i want to listen to what they have to say, cause hey, if you present me with VALID arguments, not only will i respect you more, but i might learn something new as well. i´m very familiar with what´s happening in ukraine and how the situation escalated (and so is anyone who is not a mainstream media zombie), but like i said i´m willing to listen to anyone who wants to prove me (or you in this case) wrong as long as they use arguments and facts.

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just go on facebook or vk.com and contact ANY ukrainian who lives in the so called “eastern ukraine”, all these russian speaking cities such as kharkiv, dnepropetrovsk, odessa etc and ask them what they think about russia. ask them why they want to join the eu. ask them who boms their cities right now

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1. Ukrainians living in Eastern Ukraine are scared to death and brainwashed NOT to say what they really think! This is a fact but you hypocritically keep denying the obvious.
2. So you are saying that Russians are RIGHT NOW bombing cities like Odessa, Kharkov or Dnepropetrovsk?
Just answer YES or NO.
3. Facebook and similar brainwashing mass media ain’t a valid source of information just like USA never proved that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction but still invaded that country and motherfuckers like you surprisingly didn’t say a word about an AMERICAN invasion at that time.
4. Feminazi=Ukrainian Nazi.

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As long as Biden, Kerry, and the Heinz fortune has investments/ties with Ukraine/Eastern Ukraine, this shit won’t end. They are make a fortune from the suffering of people.

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That’s a very GOOD POINT and I TOTALLY agree with it! TOTALLY!

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A lot of what you believe are big fat lies.

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I thought the annexation of the Crimea was Russia’s retaliation for the Georgian conflict in which the Americans went offside on Russian side of the Ice (I’m a naturalized american for those of you who would accuse me of being pro-Russian btw)

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Would it matter if they joined the EU? Ukraine’s finances are dog shit.. They have no money, earn no money, and even if they do have UAH (or Roubles even) they aren’t worth the paper they are printed on. They have been under Russian authority since what, 1991? Some good it did for them..

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1991 was around the end of communism.
You have to look at the economic trajectory of Russia versus the EU.
Russia is doing a lot of things right, low debt, low taxes, closer ties to China/Asia etc. The EU is doing most things wrong, and it`s nearing the “end game” of the money printing/borrowing Ponzi scheme they run. At least Spain/Greece got a few good years out of it.The Ukraine will just get problems from the get go. It`s a good future bet to reject the EU and join the Russia/China economic block.

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1. Oh, so Ukraine has been under Russian authority since 1991? Holy fucking fuck…. That must be news for all people living in Ukraine;) Holy crap, western propaganda is at its best today!
2. NOW you sound like a real Ukrainian;) Looking for excuses instead of a solution and blaming anyone BUT himself;)))

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All you do is talk shit.. learn some new words besides Nazi. Yes just like quite a few other countried in the former USSR. Why would I look for a solution ? I want the grivna to be shit.. that way it’s cheap for me.. why would I want to pay more there ? You are the dumbass that invested there.

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Too bad that telling the truth equals talking shit for you. But no surprise here at all.
Again, I live here and you do NOT. It explains everything.
How do you know that I “invested”? wink Making an assumption will not make your smarter;)

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Damn, you feminazis just like Ukrainian Nazis are sooooo predictable… I had NO doubts whatsoever that you’d mention “vatnik” in your reply as well as completely ignore my questions.
“Vatnik” for Ukrainian Nazis is the same as “misogynist” for North American feminazis. Anyone who dares to have an OWN independent opinion or stand up and be counted against Nazism is immediately labeled “vatnik” in Ukraine.
I was damn right guessing that you were NOT living in Russia or Ukraine. You sound exactly like yet another Ukrainian “patriot” who is somehow NOT living in Ukraine.
Nazi Germany is a God for the modern Ukraine so no surprise that you are living there. But that’s beyond the point.
Why did you ignore my questions about Poroshenko, Jatsenjuk, Turchinov? Ain’t they Nazis? Ain’t they the one who organized the coup d’état in February and overthrew a LEGITIMATE president and parliament?
Do you have enough guts to give me a simple answer?
So you claim that Russians invaded Ukraine and killed “thousands of civilians”. Could you please tell me WHO is bombing cities like Doneck, Gorlovka, Makeevka, Lugansk and others RIGHT NOW and who is really killing the civilians? Ain’t it the Ukrainian Nazi Army?? And just don’t tell me propaganda bullshit that people of the Eastern Ukraine are the ones who are bombing and killing themselves.
And WHO is the terrorist after all? Civilians who DO NOT want to live under the Nazi Regime and want to separate from the Nazi Ukraine just like Kosovo did not want to be with Serbia and was allowed to let go or Ukrainian Nazis who keep killing and bombing civilians while being supported by Nazis like you???? Dare to answer??
Fuck I hate Western double standards and hypocrisy!!

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Gorlovka,makeevka and other towns are bombed by Russia. You just dont want to see Ukraine in EU Zone. YOua re affraid that ukrainian women will become feminists and will have good slaries.

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The EU is currently having a meltdown.

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Holy fucking fuck…. Feminazis and Ukrainian Nazis are getting more and more stupid with every passing day….
So you claim that Ukrainian Nazi army ain’t bombing cities in Donbass or shooting civilians? What a load of hypocrisy…
Just answer one question by writing YES or NO: Tell me what YOU personally think-is Ukrainian army bombing civilians in Eastern Ukraine or not?

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Ukrainian army DONT BOMB these cities. From where i know that? Because i am right now in Gorlovka. Everyday i see totally diffrent picture. Not those picture which you were describing.
To my opinion Ukraine should be independent . This country has very difficult past. Russia is old and dangerous enemy for ukrainians. And they should not be together anymore.
Even if ukrainian feminazi become more and more stupid.. why do you worry? Where is problem? You are just affraid that Ukraine finally will have normal life without corruprion and ukrainian women wont even look on foreign men anymore.
And if you are affraid that all ukrainians will go to work to Western Europe and to USA – dont worry. THEY WONT.

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1.Holy fucking fuck…. Ukrainian Nazis ain’t only stupid, they are also stubborn…. So you are telling me, that people of Gorlovka, Doneck, Lugansk etc are killing themselves by bombing themselves?? How much more stupid and brainwashed can a person get??
2. The problem with Ukraine is that people as well as country as a whole always keep looking to blame others for their OWN faults instead of looking in the mirror and admitting the truth.
3. If Russia and Ukraine should not be together any longer then how about Ukraine stops begging Russia to supply the country with natural gas, oil, gasoline, electricity and to maintain Ukrainian nuclear power plants?
4. Ukrainians are simply UNABLE to live a life without corruption, corruption and bribes are in their genes.
5. 80% of Ukrainian youth DREAM about getting the hell out of Ukraine and settling in the West. So you can stop telling yourself that everything is OK.

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1) Im very sorry but its you are brainwashed. You know its like in the hopsital for crazy people. These crazy people think that everyone around is brainwashed. Thats your case.

2) Everyday i see russian tanks and russian soldiers. They often shoot near houses where lots of people live. They always starts to shoot first.

3) Ukraine dont look to blame others. And never did that. Ukrainian people just want to live in piece without corruption and bandits. The problem is that Russia didnt want to see Ukraine being diffrent in good way. Its Russia stole ukrainian piece of land. Not Ukraine.

4) Ukraine has own gas. She could live without russian gas.But oligarch guys need gas for their business, for their factories. Thats why Ukraine should buy it from Russia. Ukrainians use ukrainian gas for cooking, heating.

5)Ukrainians CAN live a life without corruption. We just need to new laws, new system . Not corription syste which was created by a few oligarchs.

6) I am ukrainian. And i DONT DREAM to set in the West.

7) Never talk about those things which you dont understand.

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1. And yet again you HAVE NOT answered my direct question to you: are you telling me, that people of Gorlovka, Doneck, Lugansk etc are killing themselves by bombing themselves?? Just answer such a simple question. Is it that hard?
2. How come there are still NO videos on YouTube of all those endless Russian tanks and troops in Eastern Ukraine?
3. Yeah right;) Tell me how Ukraine ain’t looking to blame others;) Who’s always at fault in Ukraine?;) Russia, Russians and personally Putin. Just accept your hypocrisy, pal.
4. I know that Ukraine has its own gas. Then how about y’all stop all the gas, oil, gasoline, electricity, coal and other supplies coming from your enemy Russia? Wouldn’t it be fair to cut all the contacts with your enemy?? Why are y’all Ukrainians so hypocritical and always use a double standard when talking about things?
5. Again, you blame system and oligarchs for all corruption, bribes and shit. But have you ever tried to look in the mirror and admit YOUR OWN PERSONAL FAULTS? Stop looking for excuses, pal. How come I do NOT need news laws and new system in order NOT to give or take any bribes, not to break the law when driving, not to shit where I live etc etc etc???
6. You may not dream to live in the West, but out of a 100 people 80 do.
7. Yeah right, I don’t know shit about Ukraine, especially after 6 years spent living in Odessa where I’m writing you from right now;)))

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Do you remember 2th mai in Odessa? Was cool day LOL

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Ukrainian=Nazi=Enemy! And enemies should be killed!
I wish Kiev, Lvov and other cities in Ukraine experience what Odessa did on May 2nd and what Doneck and Gorlovka are experiencing right now!

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Seriously dude, you have too much hate. I bet there are some people here that wish you were burned to death on May 2nd also. How does that sound ? I’m talking about Canadian btw..

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Nope, you are wrong again. Yet another wrong assumption from your part;) I do not wish he was burned to death on May 2nd or any other day. I’m not a Ukrainian Nazi ready and willing to kill for Ukraine. But you’ll never be able to understand this since you only see one side of the problem/conflict but will never be able to see both.

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by the way…why did you spend 6 years in Odessa if Ukraine is so bad? lol

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1. You still never cared to answer my question, you little Ukrainian coward.
2. Ukraine was a different country before Nazis took power in February 2014.

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A few videos of russian technics and russian soldiers…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S9j5y801HM

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Just read this: http://censor.net.ua/322254
and shut the fuck up, mothafucking Ukrainian Nazi!

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“There is no russian military units in Ukraine”, Ukrainian army chief of Joint Staff Viktor Muzhenko stated this Thursday. “We have intelligence that individual Russian citizens belonging to the military fighting alongside the rebels. However we are not involved in any fighting with Russian army regular troops”, he said.
http://censor.net.ua/322254
And don’t tell me this website is pro-russian cause it’s not!
Of course western media made no mention of this declaration that normally would make sensation. Of course CNN and BBC know better who Ukrainian army is fighting with than its own Chief of Joint Staff.
Btw, expect this guy to be fired soon for contradicting the official version

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Since you are Ukrainian, then please comment the photo below (for those not in the know: it’s Ukrainian army battalion “Azov” with a photo of Adolph Hitler)-
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And here is the original source in case you want to claim that it’s a photo shop:

https://vk.com/id29800966?z=albums29800966

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and here are some Ukrainian Nazis marching in Western Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCi8AQzSYbU&x-yt-cl=85114404&x-yt-ts=1422579428#t=36

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these “nazis” are in their native country. They didnt kill anyone and they didnt steal anything. So, if they wanna be nazis they have right to be.

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Oh, so you SUPPORT Ukrainian Nazis? Just answer YES or NO.

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Whats wrong with this photo?

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Oh, what’s wrong with this photo??;) I guess you still do NOT get it…
How about Adolph Hitler’s photo held by Ukrainian Nazis?
Just tell me: Do YOU support Adolph Hitler? Answer YES or NO.

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No, i dont support him and these guys on photo just having fun

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Oh, they are just having “fun”. And strangely enough they do it with a photo of Adolph Hitler.
I guess Ukrainian Nazis can justify anything as long as it’s done by other Ukrainian Nazis.

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you are just brainwashed person, silly brainwashed person

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Could you please elaborate WHY am I a brainwashed and silly person and you are NOT? wink Guess cause I don’t support Ukrainian Nazis and Adolph Hitler?;)
I honestly want to know HOW not liking Nazis and Hitler makes me brainwashed!
Oh, and it’s funny how you start calling people names when you don’t have any arguments to hold a valid discussion.

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Unfortunately NO reply from our brave Ukrainian behind the screen Nazi hero…
Why are Nazis as well as feminazis so predictable in their behavior?

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Pretty sure Stalin killed more people than Hitler.. by far.. He was a fucking racist also.. so what’s the difference? People in Russia praise Comrade Stalin, and there are statues of him everywhere..

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1. Did Stalin ever invade Germany or was it vice versa?;) Care to answer?;)
2. Statues of Stalin everywhere in Russia? What have you smoked today, pal? wink And when was the last time YOU visited Russia?;)
Care to answer, again?;)
Damn , Western propaganda and brainwashing must’ve been very successful during the last decade…

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You think you are so fucking smart Mr. Enlightened.. You have it all figured out don’t you ? You think I have been brainwashed ? How about fuck you. 1) Russia went into Germany smart guy.. Yes, they did invade. 2) I wasn’t being serious.. they have statues left but only in certain parts. Unless they took down the one in Red Square. I was there in 2009. Care to personally attack me again?

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Again, do you LIVE here? No.
Do I try to sound cool? No.
But I do hate those who ignore the obvious facts and keep telling the lies pretending that it’s the ultimate truth.

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And again you chose NOT to answer my questions;)
Only feminazis and Ukrainian Nazis avoid answering questions. How about telling me WHO invaded Soviet Union in 1941 and how many statues of Stalin are there in modern Russia?;) Hope you have enough guts to answer 2 simple questions and will not hide behind tons of useless words like feminazis and Ukrainian Nazis do;))

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You won’t win.. he doesn’t care.. he knows everything already.

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I do fucking know cause I’m here in Ukraine , but YOU and that fucker “SmellyCat” are NOT.
But somehow you tend to believe HIM and not me. Hypocrisy much?
Of course I don’t care cause that fucker SmellyCat told a blatant lie about people of Donbass killing themselves and bombing themselves. And you somehow believed that lie. Good luck with that!

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About 350,000 Ukrainians have official work permits that enable them to work in Poland legally, a much greater number than even a year ago. Some are trying to escape the war zone in the east, most simply want to escape poverty. Thousands more come to work in Poland illegally. Many of those Ukrainians are part Polish. Remember that Lviv and even Zhytomyr were Polish cities for many centuries. Similarly, many Belorussians have Polish ancestry. Look at the map of Poland before WW 2, and you’ll see what I mean

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” Dont cry because its over, but be happy because it was so lovely”

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I agree with the perceptions, since I live here.

While it is still by far superior to the West it is getting tougher. Dating apps are making inroads, Tinder is gaining traction, you see ever more girls approaching 25 and still being interested mainly in their careers. Also you begin to see fat girls having slim attractive boyfriends, while often young girls spend their time fucking foreigners – the more exotic the dick the better.

What is holding some of the worst excesses at bay is the economic situation and demographics, BUT I also noticed that a lot more girls seem to be having sugar-daddies or some paid sex experiences even if they don’t do full time escorting. Girls have no inhibitions to seek some kind of arrangement from an older provider while meanwhile enjoying the attention from the Betas and hunting the elusive hot Alpha dick.

Locally there are already half a dozen big professional PUAs offering coaching and bootcamps as many less fortunate Betas get squeezed out of the market.
Professional PUAs and the rise of Game usually means that the sexual market place is becoming unbearable for the average man:

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This trend has been happening in the Czech Republic and Slovakia for the local guys for the past 15 years already. Most foreign guys didn’t notice it, because as a foreigner they had “status”, even if you were from some shitty country in Africa, but the local guys have been experiencing this, especially since for some reason Czech and Slovak girls hate their own guys (even if the local guy is successful, a Czech and Slovak chick will still rather go out with some short, ugly Italian or Spanish unemployed slob). In those countries the local PUA movement has been going strong since maybe 2008 or 2009. Girls are the same everywhere…

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Women will sell their own menfolk out for some random dick. How sad is that. This is one of the many reasons that marriage was instituted, and why the whiterace partticularly will die out without it. Whilst the women are manipulated from birth to become whores by tv and other media, and free will is limited, whatever free will they have is used to help further deconstructy their own society to become a wasteland in future. I have no tears for these bitches when we all get served.

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“Professional PUAs and the rise of Game usually means that the sexual market place is becoming unbearable for the average man”

Good observation.

What I’m wondering is what is the aftermath of these SJW/feminist kinds of cultures? Feminism and consumerism have basically completely taken over North America.

Do the betas just wife up the older women and the alphas just opt out of the marriage market eventually? Does it basically just turn into mass-poverty and loss of freedom?

Alphas can pat themselves on the back as much as they want for being sexually attractive to women but unless they start families or have kids the alpha gene will go extinct.

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Economically I don’t think that the super-productive Provider Family man is needed any more, since unemployment in the West is 10-25% depending on country and even higher unemployment is to come as work itself is automated, outsourced and mechanized.

The end goal seems to be a Brave New World of total promiscuity. Before such an end stage is achieved I think that several things will happen: more single mothers before the artificial wombs are here, there will be more incel Omegas & Betas, the Alphas will at best impregnate some or stay clear from marriage at all, women will spend their entire days until end 30s Alpha fucking, most of them will be unhappy and alone, the few well-off Betas will still marry, but much later. Finally the wealthy Alphas and Apex-Alphas will start to live in almost hard harems – women will accept to live with them sacrificing their youth to those men in exchange for cold cash.

In the end you will likely get increased eugenics where the super-wealthy men will have 10+ children & the successful cock-hopping single woman will get “designer” babies as they missed on marriage and usual child-bearing. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/23-hollywood-moms-same-sperm-763403 The Omega and lower Beta males will lose themselves in VR porn while the lower level woman will prefer to become a single mother with a Dark Triad lower level Alpha. We will see how the elite will curb that part of the population, but I am sure they have their plans in place for that too as infertility is spreading like wildfire with 10% of the 20 year olds being already “mysteriously” infertile.

You are right – the current Alphas with Game around here mostly will have little or no progeny except for the extremely wealthy ones. Personally I am not so set on “preserving” some kind of certain genetic set – in the future we can certainly tweak and create all kinds of super-humans – it’s just a matter of time – besides genes react strangely well to superior food, nutrients, better living conditions etc. As long as our technology and science is intact everything is salvageable – even a return to more traditional and sane ways.

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The Matrix really is a perfect analogy isn’t it.

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The redpill goes beyond sexual relations, and youh wouldn’t believe how fart it goes or how bad it gets, unless you saw it firsthand for yourself.

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A society that gets as bad as the way you describe it would cease to exist, as such a situation is inherently unstable.

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The betas are the family men type that carry the nation on their back. They need red pill and MGTOW and just side step women and go with surrogates for family and game/booty calls for sex.
The feminine imperative requires men to need or think they need women at all cost to work. The need can be real and actual, or a legal requirement , or a cultural thing.
After all a woman can’t be liberated if she has to actually earn the favor she is receiving from men.

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The feminine im,perative is babymaking and women these days are brainwashed corporate zombies. The nation has become the transnational corporate state headed by evil banksters.

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The feminine imperative is the corporate zombie “I don’t need a man” (I won’t obligate myself to a man that treats me well) Having babies is not for the purpose of making a family having babies is for the title of mother and to own the father.

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It becomes a no holds barred lord of the flies type society. Read about the history of past empires and how usury and sexual degeneracy led to the collapse of such empires, sometimes from within. The west is in the phase cusping totalitarian enslavement and what follows that is collapse.

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The Fall of Empires is definitely on my booklist.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Fall-Empires-Historys-Civilisations/dp/1741963826

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”What I’m wondering is what is the aftermath of these SJW/feminist kinds of cultures?”

Have you seen the poverty of the Mosuo before the introduction of the world?

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That remote matriarchal society in China right? I guess the answer is mud-huts.
On the other hand if we’re talking about the West in general, we’re talking about the biggest society with the largest infrastructure in the history of the world.
This wont just be day-to-day poverty like the Mosuo… the economic decline of the West is going to result in civil war or something… at worst cannibalism… or totalitarianism.

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“What I’m wondering is what is the aftermath of these SJW/feminist kinds of cultures?”

Stockholm Syndrome Sharia. (Or one of several equally undesirable post-collapse states.)

Enjoy the decline.

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That is awful, that even a handsome sugar daddy will finance a girl fucking other guys. So women have it all (for the ten or twenty years then west has left) as whores whilst men feel no need to work and support families and society. Bitches are useless and need to be put back in their place, and the PUAs are no better as enablers of this behaviour, as mass approaching etc just raises a woman’s value in her head.

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I’ve been going to Poland twice a year since 2010, three to four weeks at a time. Every time I go I am amazed and saddened how quickly Poland is becoming “Americanized.” Everything Roosh wrote is true. Nonetheless, I’ll be going back to Poland this April. This time I’ll be exploring southeastern Poland (i.e., Rzeszów, Przemyśl) as well as Lublin. I hope these areas aren’t as westernized as other parts of Poland. But I won’t be holding my breath.

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The “virus” also known as “Western Civilization” is spreading like wildfire. Can it be contained? I think not.

So what can be done about it? Collect as many notches/flags/bangs as possible and let the parched betas wife up and procreate with these diseased people.

And if one is looking for a non-diseased type out there, there’s hope…like the hope in flicks like “28 Days/Weeks Later” or shows like “The Walking Dead”.

That’s the reality. Accept it or don’t.

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Western civilization will not gain total traction in poorer places like india, though it is there. As for betas wifing up, this is also limited as when global wealth accrues in fewer hands, the betas are manginas whom it is easier to enslave. Slavery becomes the norm, not sex with hot girls who like your paycheck.

We live in 1984 meets the sexual reverie of brave new world, plus something much worse.

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On a scale of 1 to 10 , how much do youtube videos influence your life ??

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One of the reasons for these kinds of developments worldwide is because so many cultures blindly follow US without giving any thought to whether the cultural trends in America are actually worth adopting.

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87% of the human race are followers, as proven in 1925 by research in the US and UK. This knowledge has been used since to game societies, which are weakened by people contributing to their own destruction.

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This week in Ireland a seasoned male politician wrote a note to our Prime Minister asking him to appoint a particular woman who worked for him in PR (where else???) to the board of a national company. In the note the politician praised the woman’s capabilities and ended it with, “and she’s not bad looking either”. Whatever about the nepotism all the fembot journalists could write about was the fact the male politician said she was good looking….. pages and pages of type….I really do not know what to think any longer. A harmless off the cuff remark and these Kuntz are all over the guy asking him to apologise??? To whom? The female gender? Its gone beyond ridiculous…..

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Too bad rape culture isn’t real. Those drunk chicks in the hallway are like a smorgasbord.

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It’s depressing isn’t it? Technology and feminism are like twin unstoppable forces guaranteed to create shallow, vain, narcissistic sluts. As a man, we are forced to wade through pools of these sluts who have nothing to offer besides the hole in their legs. As society becomes more and more politically correct and Marxist, the decline will continue to accelerate. I can’t help but thing that a cataclysmic event is near. Think about it, if the world economy collapses and just getting enough food to eat and a roof over your head is all that really matters, feminists are just going to starve to death. No man is going to help them…

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The mass starvation due to collapsed economies is the endgame. Thanks girls.

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It’s depressing isn’t it? Technology and feminism are like twin unstoppable forces guaranteed to create shallow, vain, narcissistic sluts. As a man, we are forced to wade through pools of these sluts who have nothing to offer besides the hole in their legs. As society becomes more and more politically correct and Marxist, the decline will continue to accelerate. I can’t help but thing that a cataclysmic event is near. Think about it, if the world economy collapses and just getting enough food to eat and a roof over your head is all that really matters, feminists are just going to starve to death. Despite all their bluff and bluster about being strong and independent, if they are actually forced to stand on their own two feet, without the support of a socialist government, they will melt and die. No man is going to help them…

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The cataclyslmic event is the unfoldfing slow motion collapse over this decade. You shouldve been in glasgow, scotland after the 2007 collapse where people were shitting themselves like braindead zombies. The massive degredation in society in the UK since has been astounding, where many older people behave like children, because they’ve never had to grow up.

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I wouldn’t worry about it. When they get to the end of their rainbow it will be about that time they get over run and occupied by a foreign power

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Poland has been like this for a long time. This is NOT new.

I have known the entire EE region (FSU and otherwise) for over a decade now, and back in the 2000s it wasn’t much different. This is the European Union. The carousel has been well and alive for years. In Bang Poland, he speaks for instance of a “conveyor belt” of one-night-stands. Try getting that in Russia. If a girl is truly conservative, she will NOT fuck you the same night you meet her, no matter what your game looks like. Try using the power of non-judgement, when the girl TRULY sees there is no judgement, you are the transient lover with the same world-view as her, she tells you everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, after sex.

When you really learn about the values of a country are in these post-sex non-judgement conversations. My conclusion is that the place is NO different from any other Western European country in mentality (at least girls who are young and still on the carousel, not the post-carousel “reformed sluts” who are “tired of partying”). I met plenty of girls who admitted to regularly fucking new guys at clubs. Some admitted to notch-counts you could expect in a place like the UK. I heard stories of gangbangs, or girls going to clubs explicitly LOOKING for sex and escalating encounters themselves with somewhat shy guys. I heard stories of toilet sex with strangers, regular sex at clubs, of girls wanting to “be crazy” and fuck 2-3 guys in a night (go to a club, fuck one guy, then leave, go back to the club fuck another…). The girl who told me about that actually went into explicit detail about the logistics of it, saying “you have to make sure you don’t fuck each guy for more than an hour”. Imagine a Russian girl saying that lol. I spoke with girls about FSU girls never having ONS, one girl said that was “sad”, it was a bad thing, like they are missing out on life. On gangbangs I heard two stories. The first was with a girl who went home with a guy and fucked all the roommates. The second was a girl who had a fuckbuddy that arranged a group of guys at her petition. Another thing I would ask about is nationalities they had fucked, and they would come up with these incredibly long lists of nationalities all around the world.

It is THE SAME as any Western country, even to the level of Scandinavia. It is NOT hard to find a girl you can fuck within the first hour of meeting. It is a fundamental part of the mindset, they decide whether to fuck you or not within the first 5 minutes of meeting, after that it is just about escalating as fast as possible, you don’t need anything more. Very frequently with shy guys at clubs they escalate the ONS themselves (quite covertly though, I heard very smart stories about girls helping each other out by organizing afterparties, then going to a friend who was flirting with a guy and asking them both if they wanted to go to the afterparty), so obviously there is rarely a serious time-constraint. Of course, initially I got plenty of “I don’t want a relationship”, but I soon adapted and took on more a strong player role, that stopped coming because they knew that I “got it”. Just like in Western countries, many girls would actually say after an ONS “nice to meet you, have a nice stay in Poland”. Same as in the West, very clear alpha one-time sportfuck frame, they knew this from the start and fully accepted it. In the old days I treated it like Russia because of what I had heard, I failed utterly, I didn’t fuck a single girl I went out on dates with. One girl actually fell in love with me, but “didn’t want a relationship”. I came in with a provider frame, she resisted heavily despite being a frequent ONS slut, told me later she got drunk on purpose so that she could fuck me but then still have the excuse that she was drunk and this didn’t mean we were in a relationship. After being fuckbuddies for a while, she fell in love with me and feelings of jealousy got her to change her tune about exclusivity. When a girl DID accept a fuckbuddy situation (which was rarer than not, like in most R-countries girls just want to fuck once, sex is a “sport” for them, I even had one girl literally call it that), she did NOT want to do any dating stuff. Just come home and fuck. Human value or love is nowhere to be found in their philosophy of life. Just like in any Western country.

THIS is Poland. These are my experiences, and they come from a fairly reasonable amount of girls. And NOT obvious sluts, they all seemed incredibly sweet and “good girls”, I would have taken them on 4-5 dates if I hadn’t known better. This is the problem of this country, the girls don’t LOOK like sluts, which is why so many guys get confused. Back in 2011, Roosh got confused. The place was as R-selected as it is now. He just didn’t see it. He just saw the “sweet Eastern European girls” he had heard about through the grapevine. Only now after numerous reference points and input from other men does it make sense, it was a matter of perception, not of the country actually changing significantly.

It is a fully Western country, only with sweeter girls. Regardless, just like in any Western country, I believe that no matter how sweet, they hold no human value. A girl with such a philosophy of life simply cannot be employed for more than one-off sex. When I am feeling horny, I go to Poland. If I want human value, I go to Russia. The distinction is clear. It can be difficult however, sometimes you meet really sweet girls in Poland, you are truly tempted, but you must remind yourself of who they are and take a step back.

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“Back in 2011, Roosh got confused. The place was as R-selected as it is now. He just didn’t see it.”

Correct. I wanted to believe that not all women are like that, so I deluded myself that all the one night stands I was having was by girls who weren’t doing it with other guys but only me because of my magical game.

It’s too bad, since Poland really is a nice place to live otherwise, but right now I’m not too inspired to establish even mini-relationships with the women like in Ukraine.

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Roosh – did you consider inviting one major PUA Maciej “Adept” Szebelski http://www.uwodzenie.org to comment on the topic? He is in the Game for a decade having learnt from the best and he also comments on women and feminism on his blog.

He might be able to give us a more well-rounded view of Polish women – also interesting would be the views of some local guys with Game in the Ukraine or Russia.

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Although you are essentially right, I also think guys like us have a tendency to attract that particular kind of girl (god knows how many guys at the RVF are eskimo brothers). At the end of the day, many girls won’t even consider dating/screwing a foreigner. Men that pursue a lifestyle of travel and approaching women are more likely to run into these sluts and ending up having sex with them. While in Poland, on two occasions I banged girls within minutes of even meeting them but I also met girls who had been with their high school boyfriend for ages and were family and marriage orientated. Add to those the ones who don’t even speak English and you’ve got a substantial minority of girls who don’t fall into the type of girl you or Roosh are describing.

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Utterly wrong.

Women are permeable. Like water, they take the form of the container. They hold the ideas of the culture. Try finding in France a girl who is not a feminist. Perhaps less than 1% of girls. Try finding in Russia a girl who fucks random guys in clubs all the time. Again, less than 1% of girls.

An experienced player can fuck at least 1 new girl per week in Poland, all of them the same night. If very experienced, even more. That SAME player in Russia will get laid significantly less, and have to take girls on several dates. Even the best players have at most maybe one ONS story in the FSU, and it was one with exceptional circumstances. Just ask Roosh if it is easy to fuck a girl within minutes in a club toilet in Ukraine. Women, and fundamentally MOST women in a particular country, have the ideas of the culture.

You are using the NAWALT argument. Like the guy in New York who takes women to restaurants and over several dates because, in his mind at least, “not all New York women are sluts, I’m sure some of these young girls are marriage oriented, they just go to clubs to dance lololozolzzozoz”.

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I think both genders are malleable, but women moreso. Thisd is why feminism and banking fraud both led to collapse of previous civilizations eg the roman empire.

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“Even the best players have at most one ONS story in the FSU”.

There is a major caveat to this and that is applies to girls under ~24. I am merely an intermediate FSU player and I’ve had several ONS with girls in 25-30 range. I know other players from RVF that have managed to do this also. Though I’ve only had one with a girl under 25 and she was 24.

It is harder for a foreigner to get ONS with a younger girl but once they pass 25 they are easier (of course this is strictly relating to attractive girls).

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Thanks for clarifying this. I fundamentally agree. FSU girls over 25 do become significantly easier, even in their own country, to the point that the only age range I consider dateable is 18-24.

18-24, I emphasize that heavily, that is the golden window, with most “dream girls” hovering around 22-23-24. 18-20 slight slut phase, but still relatively low-count and dateable.

25+ is useless, they haven’t married yet and are the “leftovers”, for a reason, and you should attack it with an R-selected strategy of bang as fast as you can, then run.

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All valid points, but you have to realize one thing: Your status as a foreigner automatically influences the experiences you will have. I am in a fortunate position to have tested out Foreigner and Local Game in Poland. I grew up in the West, but my parents are Polish and I speak German, English and Polish fluently enough to pass as a local. Now we know that being British or German in the US might give you some novelty factor and make Game easier.

In Poland it is even more so. I tested it out even in my pre-conscious-Game time when I approached girls only speaking English and thus being her foreigner. The bangs were faster and I escalated easier than if I opened her in Polish.

You speak of the Ukraine, but I talked with local Alphas there and some Ukrainian and Russian girls – I talked with Russian girls who themselves talked with others and thus my experiences were more unfiltered as women will be frank among themselves but not with us men. They fucked the local Bad Boys and Loser Alphas all the time. But due to obvious economic and maybe additional concerns the Ukrainian/FSU girl you approach as a foreigner will make it tougher to you than if you were a local Ukrainian bad boy. Even if you say that you don’t have money and work at McDonald’s then she will still try to appear to be wife-material by putting out much later than if you were a local poor guy with Game.

Women are the same everywhere – sure the local constraints are different, but in order to assess a sexual market you have to ask both the locals and the foreigners with Game if the experience is identical.

This forum is comprised of a lot of Westerners with Game with the occasional local EE guy just learning the ropes. I haven’t even heard a local FSU guy here on the forum. But I talked to girls in the Ukraine and they told me of orgies at age 15 with the local boys – some of them may be the same girls who need 4 dates before a Roosh or Krauser fucks them.

Even recently I had the experience of an innocent looking 26 year old Polish girl. Only after some it turned out that she had an admitted notch-count of 15 and even that is doubtful since it could be 45. Don’t let an innocent face fool you! Every girl that owns an Iphone, is on social media and goes out frequently is a potential slut with a notch-count of 10-50+ and she will just treat you differently if you are a foreigner.

Oh – if the Ukraine ever joins the EU, then expect girls to put out easier with foreigners as they can then leave to the UK and don’t need to fake wife-material anymore.

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“Your status as a foreigner automatically influences the experiences you will have.”

I will address this specifically in a future post.

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It is true that FSU girls go through somewhat of a “slut period” from the teenage years to about 21 (which is why I escalate faster with this age-range). And not all of them go through it, it is not like in the West where it is practically every girl. But I emphasize what the MENTALITY is.

Sex itself, as an act, doesn’t destroy women. Not even with multiple partners. What makes a Western slut undateable are the ideas she has an her head. The KIND of person that fucks random dudes in clubs all the time. That emotional detatchment, the masculine sexual approach to dating, the focus on career and not family, not seeing any human value in men, just sexual… etc.

A Ukrainian girl (I’d say they are somewhat less conservative than in Russia, not significantly, but somewhat), during her teenage years may have banged a number of local bad boys during her teen years (depending on the girl, anywhere from 0 to 10). Perhaps maybe even 1 or 2 of them was relatively quickly. But note how when you fuck an 18-year-old Ukrainian girl on the first date (which actually takes a lot of pressure, she hesitates heavily but gives in due to her youth, inexperience and curiousity), she STILL wants to date you. Perhaps not marry you, she is too young for that, but she wants that continuity, she sees the human value. You would never get pumped and dumped like in the West, because the mentality IS different.

Then, at about age 20-21, although it did before aswell, “love” takes on a serious importance. And it doesn’t mean she necessarily wants to marry you, especially if on the lower border of this age interval, at around 20. For instance, in Ukraine I used to stay in shit hostels where the locals would stay, she KNEW that I didn’t have shit, yet if you got the bang, you would almost always get to keep the girl.

Although it is true that this “slut period” exists for some girls, you can take advantage of it aswell. It is relatively easy to fuck an 18-year-old on the first date if she is a bit liberal, an art student or a law student or whatever. But note how their mentality is actually correct, they don’t have the undateability issues of Western girls.

Read Roosh’s post about Anna. It is obvious she had had probably a relatively high number of dudes for Ukraine. But her mentality was correct, she wanted the right things, she probably dated all the dudes she fucked, and her worldview was adequate for a relationship. This is why I don’t think about this issue much, fucking a bad boy or two when she was 18 is very different from fucking 25+ guys in clubs over her youth and “not wanting a relationship”.

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That applies to Polish girls – you will find many more stopping the carousel at age 25 than in the West. While their feminism-influenced number increases you still find plenty of them.

In the Ukraine feminism is laughed at, but their slut phases are according to my friends in their teens before 18. One girl joked that if you want a virgin, then you should go find a 14 year old or younger in most cases.

Yes – it does not impact their femininity as much as they still try to be women and around age 20 are looking for Mr. Right already. In Poland even career women are searching for Mr. Right at age 25-26 at the latest. And some Polish girls start their slutting at ages of 15 – there is a name here for those here – “galerianki” because they go to shopping centers to find sugar daddies and bad boys as they cannot go to clubs yet.

Still – if you changed several factors – demographics (through massive immigration of men like in the West), instated Western style social security and benefits just for having a Bad Boy’s child and being able to survive on that and at least minimum wages that you could survive upon, then I estimate that a lot of the now great women would become entitled harpies both in Poland as well as FSU. This is clearly visible with many men who bring their 18-20 yo brides from Russia to the West only to realize that the very same woman is a different person by age 28-30 or earlier.

But of course generally you will find way more NAWALTs and the girls you meet at the ages of 18-25 are way less deluded and relationship minded. But I think that this stems more from environmental conditions than from some deep intellectual realizations.

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I don’t believe that girls jump off the carousel at 25 in Poland. It used to be like that, but the age is going up. Plenty of girls who jump off in their late 20s, early 30s. In general, I believe Poland is no different from any Western country in this respect, notch-counts of 20+, all ONS, are pretty much the norm. At 25, a girl is still at the core of her careerism.

This “slut phase” in Russia is actually accidental I believe. These are young, inexperienced girls, somewhat curious about sex, having much older alpha dudes escalating hard on them. I don’t believe they actually go out looking for it, to a club for instance, hence why they stop so early, at age 18-19. And it is a handful of dudes, in the single digits. The only exception are some girls with some exposure to Western culture, who fuck maybe a guy or two when abroad. In these cases they usually DO look for it.

But this is similar to a beta male visiting a prostitute. It simply doesn’t affect her mindset towards relationships. Think of a girl who, when she was 16, fucked a couple of bad boys, followed by an LTR, and now at 22 has a notch count of 5, and in her mind “wants love”. What does her dateability look like compared to a Western slut who regularly fucks strangers in clubs? Probably they are not marriage material (look at the divorce rates), but perfectly suitable for a mini-relationship and even emotional investment (love, I dare say). Western sluts are not.

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Frankly we have to get more local guys with Game get here to comment especially on the FSU.

In Poland in most instances their cock-hopping stops due to economic concerns. The careers in most cases are ridiculous in money terms. But it is true that those who make more money and have a decent career – in Poland that is 1000$/month or slightly more – they happen to ride the carousel way longer if they are attractive – maximization of their hypergamy.

The US in itself is a special place because US style high school is a slut factory and colleges are orgy breeding grounds. Even in most Western countries you don’t have that to that extreme degree. Smartphones, government child support & feminism are the current tri-factors wreaking havoc among women.

Those few men with Game approaching women are a ridiculously small part – most interactions are cut short by women. Those guys who accuse Players to “inflate” their egos are deluded. For every approach there is 1000-2000 offers of dicks and likes on social media by Nice Guys and Beta Orbiters. Incel Omegas opinions are way beyond reality in that respect.

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I believe this is true aswell. That is really the only fundamental difference between countries in Western Europe and Poland. The carousel is just as intense as in the West, but if a girl is shit-poor she may be forced to jump off before, say at 26 instead of 29-30. Only girls who are well-off economically feel no need to jump off until baby-rabies come knocking at the door, just like in any rich and prosperous Western country.

On FSU girls, I believe the lover frame is crucial. Don’t promise you will stay in their country for too long. Stay in a crap hostel. Dress low-end. Advertise a nomadic lifestyle of “being poor, but happy”. She KNOWS perfectly well there is no money to be had. In Moscow especially, the top girls can get guys who a literally millionaires, and yet EVEN WITH A STRONG LOVER FRAME, they still want continuity, a relationship of sorts. They want the emotional value and not just the sexual.

What a girl WANTS is equal always. Perhaps as a foreigner you are more shiny, there is more discretion involved, but her desires from men are always the same. Any R-girl is far more likely to fuck you as a foreigner only because there is more discretion involved. And even when you focus heavily on being the lover, FSU girls (and mind you, even girls with rich sugar daddies who they date AT THE SAME TIME as you), they still want a relationship. This has proven to be the case time and time again. I don’t believe that these girls see Westerners as “the key to escape, the green card”. In Moscow girls have more than enough money. In fact, the Moscow girls who are loaded are the EASIEST in my experience, they want that adventure. But it is not a strictly sexual adventure, they still see the human value and want that continuity, even if it is open that both are dating other people.

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“I don’t believe that girls jump off the carousel at 25 in Poland. ”

My last two stints in Poland show that many of them get pushed off involuntarily. You can go to clubs and easily find 30 year old Polish riders who say they are looking for relationship, but will fuck quickly. When a Ukrainian girl says she wants a relationship, she means it, but when a Polish girl says it, it means nothing, and I got burned a couple times for actually believing them (i.e. spitting more provider game and getting nothing in return).

Girls graduate from university at 22/23, where they had 4 or 5 years to ride the carousel, so if she’s still on it afterwards, then that means she prefers excitement to relationships, and will then not choose a relationship unless she has to.

What Anon describes well is how in Ukraine, a girl may be easy when young because of mistakes she later learns or due to youthful transgressions, but in the West (and now Poland), girls are doing it as part of a Hollywood lifestyle and regular pattern, and they don’t stop until they are forced to. It’s more than just experimentation but a conscious choice to taste as much fun cock as they can.

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Adequately described and completely in accordance with my experiences.

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There is a phase in the development of an R-girl, if you read any Rollo, towards the end of the party years. From around 28 until the time she finds a husband, she is lead by a dual-mating strategy. The first part is where she entertains the idea of “taming” an alpha into a providership role. Of course, if the alpha shows providerish tendencies, he is no longer a true alpha in her eyes (note this dichotomy of R-girls, even if you behave like an alpha male, it is ingrained in their minds that any man who doesn’t want them just for sex must be a beta at heart). Therefore she gets bored and tries to find a true alpha to “tame”. They still fuck quickly, but insist on you staying afterwards. That, or they deceive themselves into thinking that they “still have time”, and tell themselves they will ride for another year of two.

The second phase is where she gives up on this notion, realizes she has to date a beta male, and where she simply does not put out before X amount of dates. However, she is still riding the carousel simulatenously, hence these unpleasant stories of older girls making a beta male wait then going straight to the club and fucking an alpha.

She doesn’t really want a relationship. She wants the sexual excitement. She will only look for a relationship due to social pressure, she feels that the time has come, so you get this half assed attempt at looking for one while fucking random dudes in clubs.

The carousel never REALLY goes away. Once a person has accustomed their mind to a life of sportsex, they never really stop. This is why they fuck alphas while looking for a beta to settle down with. It is why married girls cheat. Why girls in relationships fuck dudes in clubs minutes after meeting because they are “angry” at their boyfriends. Why R-girls who get divorced and resume the carousel riding in their 40s.

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”they happen to ride the carousel way longer if they are attractive”

And then infertility when they are older. Sounds like beauty shredding. We may have to discover the root causes of beauty and replicate that genetically speaking.

Leaving beauty in the hands of women will not do.

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Your view of Russian women is completely overvalueted.
All what Rosh written about American and Western women apply totally to Russian girls. Russian guys complain about their women in the same way as Americans do.
Talk to Russians and they will tell you the truth, they always telling me how Russian girls are bitchy, slutty and materialistic.
If you don’t know the language, staying only in Moscow for a short visit, you don;t learn nothing about Russian girls.

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“Women are the same everywhere”

If one reads Roosh’s articles of his experiences over the past few years, the ‘all women are the same everywhere’ paradigm is what seems to be shaping up. I fully expect at some point that Roosh will write an article with the title ‘Loot While You Still Can’

Am I correct, Roosh?

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“If one reads Roosh’s articles of his experiences over the past few years, the ‘all women are the same everywhere’ paradigm is what seems to be shaping up. ”

Yes that seems to be the case, assuming that environmental conditions of average prosperity, technology, and adoration of Western values are present.

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This is not female nature. This R-selected paradigm of Western females is completely contrary to female nature.

It is present in all places where Western culture has laid down its flag. Thankfully, there are still places in the world that are resistant to this influence. Unfortunately they are also some of the toughest places to game in.

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Ukraine is a good example. In Ukraine, girls are somewhat sluttier than in Russia. Especially in Western Ukraine and in the major hubs there is an admiration of Western culture that makes it somewhat more liberal than Russia. Russian girls don’t even kiss on the first date, in Ukraine this is not an issue. Sex speed is faster, and girls do have a somewhat higher amount of partners.

They are not on the carousel, far from it. But you see the trend, this admiration of Western values will eventually destroy places like Ukraine and Moldova, as it will the Baltics. Not for several years, but it is predictable. Russia and Belarus are very resistant, I don’t see it happening any time soon.

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At this rate, the western slutfest will finish off these societies and thed white race in twenty years or less. Whomever is left will suffer.

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Good post. Tend to agree. I was also confused because everything was so foreign to what I was used to. They didn’t curse or swear like girls back home. Dressed better than them. But given so many foreign guys were having sex with polish women even in 2011, one has to wonder.

That said, the more peripheral culture trends of America weren’t there in 2011, but is in full view now.

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6 Ways Poland Is Becoming Degenerate Like America

Women were always like that. It’s only that now they have the chance to show it. http://i.imgbox.com/LuGequR6.jpg

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Women and jews have revealed themselves to be scum in the modernera. Jews are the worst, as their banking power and entire social apparatus is geared towards enslaving and killing others and benefittying from this, whilst maintaining plausible deniability in the brainwashed. They are mostly and evil death cult.

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I noticed also on my last trip. Polish are racing to Capitalism and the USA Way at record pace. They survived communism but are no match for Capitalism. Mike Tysons Black drink billboards on historic buildings says a lot about the sell out and how Polish young culture will sell out to anything

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Thousands of people over 100… perhaps the carousel enhances longevity?

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bullshit
it’s good that poland is becoming developed country and not anymore a shithole for sextourists and pervs from all around world

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finally a voice of reason! poland is much better off now than it was before. birth rates are rising and marriages are stronger but for players like roosh not a sex paradise anymore

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It actually is a sex paradise. Then again, so is Scandinavia and America.

And this is precisely why men are looking for countries where women offer a greater value than just sex. It is why there is an overall tone of sadness and despair over this situation. Note how players are actually willing to work 5 times harder just for girls who are more conservative and more human than the sluts we have in the West.

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no thats not true because even roosh said russia is no good because girls are too conservative and not easy so lets hit ukraine. if PUAs invade ukraine they will turn local women into sluts. you guys want to see a bunch of high quality traditional family minded women but then you expect them to be easy and give it up to you. men have no logic

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Even Ukraine is significantly harder than Poland.

If he just wanted sex, he wouldn’t bother going to such troublesome places. Just go to Iceland or Wales, get fucked by some slag 2 minutes after meeting her. Funnily enough you can do that it Poland aswell lol.

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roosh had a chance to have a decent relationship with good ukrainian girls and he blew them. all he wants is sex and is so suprized when women treat him the same way

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I don’t think he blew anything. He fell in love with a girl in Ukraine and spent a significant amount of time with her. By the tone of his post, it is obvious that the girl meant a lot to him, one of the highlights of his life, and will probably be one of his death-bed memories.

A lack of marriage does not mean a lack of love or meaningful human interaction.

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sure. a feminist will tell you the same. plus she has her career doesnt she

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Hats off, lol.

Well played.

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However, FSU girls are not good for marriage. I would not be able to pinpoint why exactly, but those divorce rates are an indication of something seriously wrong.

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so we the beautiful and feminine women of FSU are not good for marriage because internet like jezebel said so? please read this article:

http://www.returnofkings.com/4658/dont-believe-the-lies-about-foreign-brides

most lies about us being bad wives come from russophobic cold war type men who hate anything EE and western feminists. most divorces in russia happen due to male alcoholism and infidelity. when coupled with western men EE woman make good wives. but only with serious marriage minded men who wouldnt enjoy a woman as a “highlight of his life” and than move to the next one.

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Let me guess, you are an older woman who has been shunned by the local men in favour of younger and hotter, and is absolutely desperate to get married despite having failed to do so when younger.

Divorce rates of almost 60% cannot be attributed just to men. There are some serious cultural issues at hand. Not only that, but FSU girls age like shit, they are only good when young and ripe. When young they are beautiful and sweet, when old they are fat wrinkled up angry cunts.

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hmm I am happily married with child and live in germany. the degrading terms you use make me think of you as incredibly bad husband material

we used to age badly because of living in USSR hello there? no good quality medicine no healthy food, and in the 90s women had to work two jobs in order to provide for their men while those were abusing themselves iwth booze after losing their jobs

in armenia kazahstan and georgia divorce rates are about 20%. in russia its 45%. between russians and 20% between russian women and foreighners living in russia. but what you need to do is do some research on how many western men divorced their russian wives. in switzerland its 15%. read the article I gave you

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in fact according to teh offical statistics 15% of moscovite women are married to foreigners. over the course of 20 years only 2% of them have been divorced

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Another is that women frequently get sponsored, which is essentially being a whore, however you look at it.

For something mid-term that doesn’t really matter, but for marriage it would be a concern. Essentially, anything but a culture where it is almost a crime to lose one’s virginity before marriage is no good for marriage.

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if you look for casual relationships you will find girls who want te be sponsored. fair deal. plus judging russia by moscow is like judging usa by the people of manhattan

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The American sluts are not only in Manhattan. Go to your most isolated town anywhere in the States and there will be this stench of carousel.

It is a myth that Moscow is significantly different from other parts of the country. There is more sponsoring simply because there is more opportunity for sponsoring. Any provincial girl would love this, she just can’t have it. A Welsh girl is no more pleasant or less of a slut than a London girl.

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well than I wish you luck in your old age with all of your cats=) a man who tries to tell me what my own country is all about

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Tell me, how do you think Moscow is different from Russia?

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have you even lived in any city besides moscow??????

God you probably went to moscow for two weeks or smth. met some chicks in night clubs. spoke no russian, knew no culture. how are you gonna meet good women like that?

perhaps some USA obsessed girls approached you or maybe you even ordered a prostitute. find a job or any sort of activity for at leass 6 months in any city in middle/southern russia or siberia or belarus or provincial ukraine/georgia/georgia/moldova/kazahstan. meet some local people, get to know them. loose the superior attitude. there are a lot of good women to be found but with attitude like that you re not gonna be able to find them.

girls sponcored by men… you do realize that we have 12 mln more women than men in russia? in moscow some older married guys may sponcor some chicks but in the provinces there are too many available

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You didn’t answer my question.

How do you think Moscow is different from the rest of Russia?

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Loyalty is not part of female nature. Only a serious strong religion can keep a woman loyal to a man for a lifetime. This is why the only countries where one could even consider marriage, investing so much into one person, are those who a fundamentally religious and with divorce rates under 10%.

Russia is traditional, but not traditional enough for that kind of investment.

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We can make the same argument men are not loyal since they seem tempted to cheat all the time, anon.

Face it, HUMANS ain’t loyal.
But I agree strong religious values that are serious will usually guide someone to being loyal and more faithful

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Hey, be honest and admit it, that “game” is one of the reasons responsible for the downfall.
Imagine a conservative girl, who got seduced by a skilled pua, had hopes for relationship but got pump-and-dump treatment like you guys promote here.
I bet, that after beeing treated like that she will adopt “alpha”, male sexual mode.
Culture is changing, and PUA is one of the reasons.
Getting multi-notches and preaching about conservative values and “a downfall” has that ugly odor of typical christian double standards and hypocrisy.

Just be honest and stop that bullshit about values.
If there was even a hint of integrity in that writing, Roosh would already have had 2 children with a cute and smart slavic 9-10 he is praising, I`m 100% sure he had opportunities to do that.
But truth is, it`s all about screwing new girls, “values” banter is just BS.

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A true “conservative” girl (1) wouldn’t be accessible to a pua, (2) wouldn’t consider talking to a random man she doesn’t know from social circle, family, church, and (3) would already be in a relationship with a provider.

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Well, there is one culture, where all that things you label “conservatism” is true – a Sharia Law culture. Good luck.

Also, there are logical inconsistencies in your statement. In places, where there are not enough providers (like those you prefer i.e. Ukraine) only way to meet a potential provider, even for a decent woman, is to meet new people (your point 3 and 1 invalid).

You also advised to pick-up women by sneaking into their social circles and gaining a good reputation.
So that itself is self-contradictory and proves my point – you sneak into a girls social circle to gain trust and break through her conservative shield (your point 2), only to pump-and-dump her and spoil her. My point proven.
If you were consistent with your “values” banter, you would have already chosen and seduced a super 10, had children and a family.

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please dont bother to explain. he is one of the guys who believes women are responcible for all the bad things in the world. for christ sake roosh used girls pictures in his book to describe sex with them and didnt apologize. he told them they are not hurt and should go ahead and promote themselves to become models.

roosh uses the same old excuse “if women are conservative/relationship minded they will not talk to random guy. and if they do, they are sluts and im justified in fucking them. and then later complain that they became whores”. what a big bag of bullshit. in the so called “social circles” or at work, college women outnumber men in ukraine and russia by ten to one. guy of the same young age are not providers, they just want to fuck around, and the older guys are either already married or already divorced and looking to fuck around again. providers are extremely hard to come by so for many women and so many of them hope to be noticed by a random guy and sometimes even beg for a date. foreigners are seen by russian girls as attractive because we hope a foreign man wouldd appreciate us more and treat with more respect but instead we are being used and dumped. the actions of roosh and his friends destory the image of ameircan men and as a reslut make it bad for good guys who sincerely want a normal wife. in siberia russian girls saw immediately how stupid he is and that he is not a keeper so roosh didnt get a single flag (he can lie of course but if he laid girl sin siberia he would have written a bunch about it like he did with ukrainian women). I felt genuinely proud of my country for that.

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Bullshit. What about all of the guys from the west that marry Ukrainian and Russian women and then get taken to the cleaners shortly thereafter. Your women gold dig they are not some innocent angels like you would think from listening to you talk about them. Not to mention how they become staunch feminists once they get to the US.

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Hey you said that men can get away with rape in Russia does that mean that a man can just travel to Russia and rape a local woman there and nothing will happen? Really?

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BANG Belarus & a BANG Russia compendium is in the works

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complaining without offering solutions = bitching

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Finally a man who sees the pattern here. A lot less bitching and more creativity would make these interactions more meaningful.

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I’m guessing it’s because he’s around 35 and is getting jaded. Roosh we need that quality back mane

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Yes! I love reading most of his writings. But there’s not a lot to work with when faced with a “life’s a bitch and then you die” scenario.

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iknowrite, i’m guessing it’s from living in cold bleak places in eastern europe. i read stuff like this and can only think “ok that’s great”

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Andrea and Christopher: I must have peaked as both a writer and man. You will now have to go elsewhere for entertainment. Good luck with life.

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good luck to us? you peaked at 35 and are telling us to go elsewhere for entertainment when your site/business is supposed to be entertainment (certainly ain’t journalism). nigga YOU need luck……..and jesus. forrealdoe you haven’t peaked yet. hit up asia or something

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You’re doing a great job & helping me as a man.
Don’t change anything that you do.
Thank you

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Thanks Roosh. So exciting to hear from you. I really enjoy your writing so I will continue to read it and ask a higher power for your cynicism to subside.

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The solution has been laid out already.

See R-girls are useless for anything but one-off sex, and find ways of living temporarily in K-countries to seek out female with human value.

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I’m not necessarily referring to women here, but what if a problem has a solution that is so ghastly, that it is not a solution at all? What if that solution cannot realistically be enacted? And what if some problems HAVE NO SOLUTION. Is it still bitching? This isn’t a criticism of your post, its a really important and genuine question to some of the problems we face in the world today.

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Can you tell me of a problem with no solution? I think creativity provides solutions to all problems.

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In contact with the world and simultaneously unaware of their surrounds.

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I hate to say it, but since we want cute feminine traditional girls, probably need to go to church. Pull out your bible and dust it off! Hahaha! I go to church about 2 times a year and there are some smoking hot girls. The guys are complete nerds, Beta-Max! Your local congregation is going to be the last bastion of cute wholesome american girls. And it pisses me off. I’ve hooked up with plenty of Mormon girls, so I know it’s possible to do work in that environment.

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Any player who has gamed in the West for a reasonable amount of time will tell you this is utter bullshit.

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Have fun in Lviv

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Thanks man! Yeah, western Ukraine April 2015, should be epic! I was just checking the dollar to hrivna exchange rate. It’s looking pretty good! Almost 16:1.

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I’ll be on the East side of the Dniper May & June. (Trip # 4)

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I’m really starting to like your style.

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Couldn’t agree more. My first trips to Poland were in 2011. I go back at least once a year – usually for work and stay over weekends. In the past couple years one can’t help notice all of these changes. You hit every nail on the head. I recall December 2013 seeing vomit line the streets. Watched a taxi pull over so a girl could vomit as I walked by. This was shocking for what I saw in Poland back in 2011 over the course of a couple months – so it’s not just my limited exposure that is the reason.

It reminds me of the transformation I saw in Sweden. My first visit there was in 2008. It was the first place I went where I was blown away by the women. They were all dressed up in skirts and heels and looked well groomed. Went back in 2011 and it was awful. Converse sneakers and sloppy clothes. They already were hard to talk to with their belief system but now one couldn’t even get interested by their appearance.

This is tragic stuff.

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spot on roosh. I was just in Wroclaw in October and I ran into everything you said.

But then again, everything you’ve said in Bang Poland was spot on correct. Preach Prophet Daryush!

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These yoga practicing Polish girls are down in India trying to find themselves. I found them first.

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“While it’s possible for the occasional tattoo to look good, ear gauges never look good, and make it seem like the victim is hoping to gain membership in a backwards jungle tribe that has yet to encounter electricity.”

Most true thing I’ve ever read on a red pill website. I don’t think that’s even controversial. You could put it on a billboard verbatim, and all of society would think it’s one of those PSAs where they tell parents not to smoke in front of their kids.

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With all due respect, Roosh is slightly ignorant about the communist regime. In all Soviet states women had more rights than in the west and 99% were working. All of them were paid as much as men and gender equality was heavily promoted.

The western females turned out to be horrible because they have been oppressed for too long. Now they simply don’t care whether they are fat or annoying. They are mentally damaged, but for very different reasons than most of you may think.

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Umm, Communism equals sexual perversion.

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Just tell them the truth about how it all ends… give them the STD stats , abortion numbers , and suicide rates of American women.

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In America, they say, “It’s 10:00 – Do you know where your children are?” In England, they say, “It’s 10:00 – Do you know where your wife is?” In France, they say, “It’s 10:00 – Do you know where your husband is?”
In Poland, they say, “It’s 10:00 – Do you know what time it is?”

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Selfie girl looks uncannily like the girl in the social media bukkake illustration.

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Sad, but I believe every word of this article. The rest of EE will also soon tumble like dominoes.

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“While it’s possible for men to find themselves through travel, the only thing a girl finds is exotic cock.”

– Quote of the year

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The problem with Polish women isn’t that they’re becoming Americanized. The problem is they’re all moving to Ireland and the UK to work and picking up the worst habits of our women. We currently have 150,000 Poles in Ireland, out of a population of just under 4 million. We also have large numbers of Czechs, Slovaks, and other EE and Baltic states.

I’m in Dublin. This place is like Roosh’s Toronto article on Steroids. I don’t believe there is any worse place for women on the planet. As you probably know, Ireland experienced the biggest boom and bust cycle of any country in world history over the last 20 years. During that time, the women’s’ standards shot through the roof as their looks fell through the floor. Here there isn’t one fat girl blocking the others from getting laid. Here they’re all fat. You can fuck them easily if you get them drunk but it would be cheaper to find a Jewish American Princess in Manhattan and buy her diamonds. Alcohol in Ireland is taxed up the Yinyang and boy, can those ladies drink.

They stopped playing sports and they plaster themselves in makeup to make up for what they lack in good looks. Lovemaking involves getting so drunk they don’t know who they just went home with. Problem is, you don’t either. If you stay sober, they look hideous. If you get drunk enough to not care, you’re too drunk to fuck. There are no nightclubs here, just big bars, and they close at 11:30 pm. Some of them have dance floors but nobody dances. The good “nightclubs” close at 2:30 and then it’s a scramble for the overpriced night buses.

If there’s one good thing that happened here, it’s the recession. The women finally got thinner. I guess it’s because they don’t stuff their faces with pizza anymore like they used to.

This is Coppers, the pinnacle of Dublin nightlife. Note the twat playing with her phone on the dancefloor at 0.25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qaFnl6v0Nc

See, that’s the problem. The Polish girls are all coming here and taking up the Irish girls’ bad habits. They think it makes them strong. It doesn’t, it makes them un-marriageable. I know I can’t apologize enough for what my people have done to the world. Makes me wish I could revoke my citizenship and live in a real country.

I’ll have more to say about the situation in Ireland in future posts.

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Yup. Sounds about right. Most of the Irish girls (in the cities at least) look like they just walked out of a Russian brothel on the Jersey shore. I had better luck (and more fun overall) sticking to smaller towns in Ireland.

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This is a great comment.

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Hmm, I had a very different experience in Belfast. Very good pick-ups although the sectarianism was a bit too strong for me, particularly because people thought I was pro-Irish based on how I look. I actually got spit at and called Fenian a few times before I even spoke (I had to look the word up) but whatever my look is, it was a hit with the women of Belfast. It took about 4 hours being in Belfast before I picked up an Irish woman, after that, even I noticed the differences quite fast. Irish women were more likely to wear skirts with stockings and a sweater and be thin and feminine while the English women were typically overweight, tattoos and a bit brash, although I did pick up a “loyalist” girl too. I actually couldn’t keep up with the amount of women I was able to pick up and had to cancel a few dates as I was running out of time to do other things. But I get that Belfast and Dublin are quite different, except for the EE thing. Lots of EE in Belfast and they were the target of the loyalists when I was there, not a good situation for them really. I didn’t pick up any EE women although I almost did with a Polish chick and another that was Ukrainian but there was a bit of desperation about them that turned me off.
Looking forward to your future posts about Ireland.

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I don’t think Irish woman are any more insufferable than any other countries woman, its just ridiculously hard to comprehend because of how dog ugly they are. Irish woman are world renowned for how ugly they are. When I was in college, I always got a good laugh at the long rants from the Erasmus students, bemoaning the lack of quaint, petite, pale, redhead bombshells they were promised, instead of the potato headed, stuck-up, shapeless swamp rats they got.

The link below is a list of Ireland’s hottest woman. These woman are obviously by know means ugly, but the best a country has to offer? If these same woman walking down St. Petersburg, no one would look twice.

http://heavy.com/action/girls/2011/03/the-20-hottest-irish-girls-2/1/

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“Why I think life is unfair and why I think x are responsible” Is all I get from articles like this one. In general, websites like this are quite an eye opener for me. This is what I would become if I continued to blame everyone else around me instead of trying to sort out my life using resources I’ve been given. I refuse to give up and spend my days posting angry tirades. The fact that these people almost never mention any responsibility on their part for the way their lives turn out I also find quite telling. No matter what era we live in, the truth will remain the same, if you don’t “fix” yourself on the inside, you’ll never find any happiness in life. You can try and run away to another place in hopes that it won’t be “poisoned” for all your life but eventually no country on city will be deemed “pure” enough. As for the drunken/promiscuous behaviour in Poland I have yet to witness some of the situations mentioned in the comments/article. It’s not that I think it doesn’t happen, I just stay away from places in which they are likely to occur, which is good for you, trust me on that one .

Cobbett
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Plenty of Birds have tattoos these days, I don’t really see it as a problem. As for boozing, I’m English.

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When we refer to western culture as a cancer, we’re not trying to be dramatic or make shit up.

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I’ve just met a Polish woman and can identify with these problems. They ( this one ) have become like American women – just want a man / many men.

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I just got to Thailand and unfortunately the smartphone reigns supreme in young Thai girls. I’d say even more so than in the US at times. When they are walking they are also holding it in their hand in front of them.

What has the US wrought? Degeneracy. I make it a point never to use a smartphone while eating or while with someone. I even avoid it on the train for the most trains.

Der Mac
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I imagine that its close relations with the UK would cause it to go downhill faster. Sad, indeed.

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ohwell
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Stay out of Poland, wuss. Slavic guys will beat the living *** out of ya in a blink, an you know it.

Pioro
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Is this article a joke? Fighting for equal rights for all of Poland’s people is deterioration? What sort of chauvinist skinhead pig writes such an article?

GeneralWinter
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I’d suggest to re-evaluate your own standards and just change the crowd you’re hanging out with. As a single Polish woman, I can’t say I subscribe to anything you say here. I have a lot of girlfriends; I notice them using smart phones, or drinking at parties, all of them well-educated and gorgeous and obviously interested in making something of themselves, but they take great care to keep a healthy balance in their lives – with regards to everything. I believe the last time I saw girls sprawled unconscious on the floor, having had too much to drink was in uni!!! Seriously, man, change your crowd. Perhaps you’re aiming for the “desperate” target.

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Sorry to say but I strongly disagree.

What’s the problem of having tattoos or ear gauges and/or being homosexual? Can’t people just be free without having others telling them what they should or not do? What are you trying to do? Does it make you any happier if people don’t have tattoos? If yes, is it really your right to make others less happy for your own selfish personality taken from fake moralism?

Drinking was always a problem for many, many years, and it isn’t exclusively from the western. And until you post some numbers from a credible source that support your claims, then I also have the right to say that things aren’t different than before.

Smartphone addiction is the only thing I somewhat agree but then, times are changing, technology is moving at a fast pace and there are new challenges for the humanity.

More “career obsessed women” and women having trips – sorry to say man but this is a joke. What’s the problem with that? I guess women have the same rights as being obsessed with their careers or going for sex trips as men, along with the same duties. Again, you want to limit other people happiness because most likely you are a very selfish, fake moralistic person. Sorry, that’s reality. You have the right to pick your wife based on what are your expectations for your woman – if you don’t want a “slut” you don’t have to take it – but you DON’T have the right to censor that, as with that you are cutting wings on their happiness if that’s what they want.

If you want a better world you should let other people be happy.

Now, my personal point of view and something that can be connected to your ideas is that I find Polish women less interesting than 7 years ago, first time I was in Poland. In that time they were more genuine and more characteristic, fact that had a magic touch, nowadays they are more and more European, so meeting a Polish girl starts to be not much different than meeting a British one, but well, that’s another story.

Cheers!

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Um, why are you slamming “The West” when practically every life enhancing technology or idea that we enjoy has come from “The West”? – when I think of that term I refer to the Western European/American intellectual tradition, the scientific method and all of that good stuff. I certainly don’t see you as being a religious advocate (but I could be wrong…if you’re a very deep cover operative). LOL.

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Holy shit. Poland is a mini USA. Well better cancel my hotel reservations in Warsaw.