7 Things I Require In The Future Mother Of My Child

It’s common in these parts to make fun of women for having a delusional shopping list when seeking out a mate, but is it possible that our lists for finding women are also unreasonable? I asked myself this question while constructing a list of requirements I need in a woman who I think would be suitable for reproduction (and not necessarily state-sanctioned marriage). I ask you, dear reader, if my list is as deranged as that of a woman’s.

The following is what I require in a woman for a long-term relationship that involves having children:

1. She must be between 18-25 years old

In the case I want to have more than two kids, I need to find a woman who is substantially younger than myself so she is biologically able to keep popping them out. This requirement also accounts for the fact that single women over 25 are emotionally damaged in some way, are alpha widowed, or are professional daters who are incapable of making the proper relationship sacrifices.

2. She must have less than three prior sexual partners, though I prefer a virgin

Studies show that the more sexual partners a woman has before marriage, the more likely that marriage will fail. I also don’t want to marry a woman who has voluntarily accepted being used as a cum dumpster by other men, or who kisses my child with lips that have been previously wrapped around many other cocks. My child will not have a “reformed” slut mother.

For a woman who has had sexual partners before me, I must be the absolute best man she has ever been with in terms of appearance, personality, and resources. Otherwise, once the honeymoon is over and the relationship hits an inevitable low point, she will get a “Could I have done better?” itch and sabotage the relationship or test me to the point where I have to play “dread game” just to keep her in the kitchen. There must be no doubt within her mind that I am the best that she could possibly get.

3. Her physical attractiveness should hover around the 7 range

Thanks to technology and modern cosmopolitan society, a woman who is an 8 or above in beauty has been exposed to more toxic situations and experiences where she’s achieved some level of e-fame, been validated incessantly for her appearance, and been offered money, consumer products, and trips for her vagina (and likely accepted those offers). She has also fully utilitized her beauty to get her way in life, including prime seating for manipulating men for personal gain. Not only is such a woman harder to manage, but her entitlement is far higher. For a life partner I will purposefully aim lower than what I could get for casual sex.

4. Her skin tone should be within two shades of myself

I would like to have kids that look like me, so I will not reproduce with a woman who is black, Asian, or Indian. Acceptable races are South American, Persian, Armenian, and European (non-Northern). The average Croatian or Romanian girl is more similar to my appearance than Spanish or Italian.

5. She must be feminine

She must be a woman who takes great pride in her appearance and the feminine abilities that nature bestowed upon her. I don’t want her to be a mindless weakling who needs me all the time, but she should look and act like a woman and not try to compete with me in terms of mental or physical strength.

6. She must want to be a traditional stay-at-home mother

Once the kids arrive, she should have no desire to pursue a pointless office career in place of taking care of our growing brood. She may have some freedom to pursue hobbies like yoga or knitting, but her place will be in the home while I tirelessly work on my internet ebook hustle to bring home the bread that gives her everything she needs.

When I come home from work (at the cafe), I expect the kids to be clean, the house to be in good order, and preparations for dinner planned. I shall not participate in more than 5% of household duties outside of home improvement. In exchange, she will never have to worry about money or work outside the home. She can live a pleasant middle-class lifestyle that can even include dog and car ownership.

7. She must believe in a god

My experience shows that a woman who doesn’t believe in god has a value system taught to her by corporations and progressive degenerates. She will certainly be addicted to internet attention, alcohol, casual sex, material possessions, or food. She has relativistic morality, and what she thinks of as morality is actually built upon her feelings. When faced with any type of stress, she will almost always follow the herd or make the wrong decision. A woman who believes in god, while still prone to making mistakes, makes less of them and at least has a mental system encouraging her to perform good.

Conclusion

I believe the seven things above are quite reasonable, and something that would have taken no more than a 6-month search two generations ago, but based on my last decade of intensive fornication, I’ve encountered maybe two girls who fit the bill, especially when it comes to girls being a virgin and eager to stay at home. Part of this reason is that most of my time hunting for women was spent in big cities where such values are rapidly disappearing.

The decision I have to make now is how badly I want kids. If I don’t want kids, I should live in a place like Poland where I can attain a comfortable life of easy sex with “strong and independent” sluts, but where it’s close to impossible to meet girls who meet the above requirements (in the Polish cities I have lived in). If I do want to have kids, I should immediately move, because I’m surely not getting any younger. The two countries that seem to best accomplish my list are Ukraine and Russia, though there are huge obstacles and difficulties with living there long term instead of just going for two months of adventure and fun.

While I can honestly state that I’m not crazy about having kids right now, I know that my desires can change and so I have to guess if I will want them within five years time. Only five years ago I was still in the middle of nonstop casual sex, thinking the party would never end, and of course the music did stop and it’s something that no longer drives me. If being a father is in my future, I must prepare for it now.

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Thanks for this. I’m somewhat older and my list is pretty much yours. I have bumped into a few girls like this in EE, even in cities. They are usually already snapped up and I guess hard for a foreigner to find the single ones.

It is a shame however that the supernatural is required for most people to have a moral compass. But we have to deal with the world as it is, not how we may wish it to be.

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Without God , there is no basis for objective moral value or moral obligations.
If there is no objective law giver outside and above all of us, there is only everyone’s personal opinion about what is right and what is wrong. .
The problem with the world today is that men have failed to think deeply and relate that knowledge to women and to their own children

You should , as your age, already know why God must exist, from the moral argument , to the cosmological one.

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Then how come secular & predominantly non-religious nations dominate the most peaceful & non-corrupt nations?

& how come atheists & agnostics commit far less crime per capita than religious people?

I don’t know a single religious person in my extended family, & we’re still yet to commit a theft, rape, or murder that I know of lol…

So save me the bullshit. God is a smokescreen, he’s not required for anything. Natural will, secularity, human empathy (being able to see yourself in another living being), & self-preservation form the basis of a stable human environment.

“If there is no objective law giver outside and above all of us, there is only everyone’s personal opinion about what is right and what is wrong. . ”

We’re not just floating entities with our own opinions & nothing else, we’re animals with instincts. It’s advantageous for us to work together for self-preservation, that’s how instincts are formed.

That’s why pleasure chemicals are released into your bloodstream when you seek a mate &/or fuck (reproduce). That’s why electrical impulses (the pain you feel) are sent to your brain when your physical body is compromised.

It’s all about the ability to survive & thrive within a naturally selective environment.

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If you are a humanist, yet a moral one…..you’re just acting inconsistently with your worldview.

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Just like theists atheists follow many types of philosophies, maybe Dan follows Objectivism

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So let’s see how these European nations, who once were religious and prosperous, are doing and will be doing as they have embraced secularism. As Germany finds that its own population is dying and Merkel seeks to allow Muslim immigration to fill the void, is that secularism at its finest?

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Because the pioneers were believers. The ancestors of the today’s secular children were believers. Go look at the original disney stories, The Grimm brother’s originals and see if you find religious morals in them.

Go ahead, and try populate and create anything from scratch without “Go forth and multiply”, without The Covenant, without The Gospels. Go ahead, and try, without the God, Our Lord. Prove me wrong, will you?

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Spoken as a true atheist moron. The most “peaceful & non-corrupt nations” also have more abortions, rap music and drug problems. Using your paralogic, third world countries should have more abortions, listening more to rap music and use more drugs, and then magically they would become 1. world countries.

Scandinavia was MORE peaceful and non-corrupt BEFORE we got rampant atheism.

You atheist pseudo-intellectuals don’t understand the difference between correlation and causality.

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The “non-religious” nations are nothing of the sort. It is just that they have mix of religions that have learned to coexist.
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Atheists and agnostics tend to be more intelligent. That is what you call a “third independent variable”. It’s not that being an atheist will make you commit fewer crimes, but rather that being intelligent tends to lead you to out of religion and away from crime at the same time. In the alternative, atheists are evil geniuses who are smart enough to get away with the crimes they commit without being caught.
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You don’t need god or religion to have a moral foundation but you need some metaphysics or spiritual awareness. Nobody has worked their way around Hume and the is-ought dichotomy, so you have no choice but to make up shit as you go. However, religion gives one a structure while atheism has none to speak of.

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Sorry but Atheism and Agnostic are not even closely related. Unlike what Ath’tards of today claim , atheism is in fact the assertion that NO God exists,.
Atheists are NOT more intelligent. Atheism is a symptom of autism , not of intelligence.
Take all the current atheist leaders of today, from Dawkins to Lawrence Krauss and Sam Harris. , all of which who have been destroyed in debate by a simple Christian philosopher, and where the atheists rambling and lack of logical arguments and reason, made it clear that atheism is far from the “intelligent” position.
It’s true that more atheists roam the halls of faulty lounges , but that is because these colleges and universities are State funded and require secularism, not that atheism is the prime choice of the most intelligent..
Funny that, because it’s Christian thought ,especially in the US ,that requires a separation of Church and State , that makes State funded colleges and universities require secularism.

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I will give it to you that atheists and agnostics are not necessarily close, regardless of the attempts of politically-minded atheists to call agnostics “weak atheists” to bolster the number of peers they have. I get into lots of arguments with self proclaimed atheists. If pressed I classify myself as an agnostic, usually because I don’t have a 24 episode lecture series to go through exactly what I believe and how I arrived here after more than 3 decades of studying and thinking about it,
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“Intelligence” can be a slippery notion but the balance of evidence is that IQ correlates with the incidence of atheism and irreligiosity generally. Of course, IQ has very little to do with wisdom or many practical applications, otherwise liberals would actually be right. On the other hand, The Bell Curve laid it out quite clearly that those with higher IQs have, on balance, better social outcomes in terms of income, family, crime and a raft of other issues.
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Of the “Four Horsemen” only Daniel Dennett has something really nuanced to say. Dawkins is a great scientist but a terrible philosopher. Harris is a smug but uninsightful wag and Chris Hitchens – the best written and most entertaining among them – kind of misses the point and directs his vitriol against god rather than against the evils of bureaucracy and ideology in all their forms; that seems to be what he is really on about.
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The basic flaw in atheist thinking is their notion that they can, by empirical examination, come to some logical conclusions about morality, purpose or meaning without making shit up along the way. They will go on about “sky fairies” and “spaghetti monsters” but when you get down to what they believe and why they believe it, it is always an ass-pull leap of faith on their part that they refuse to acknowledge.
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A fascinating read is the Chamberlain Decision from the Supreme Court of Canada which examined the definition of “secular”. The ultimate outcome was a mess as it basically forced the Surrey school board (part of Greater Vancouver) to use gay-themed books in elementary school courses. However, and particularly in the dissenting opinions, the idea of what is “secular” is not chasing god and religion out of the public square but rather allowing all forms of religiously informed opinions into public policy debates and to treat them with respect.
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The separation of church and state has been turned on its head, particularly in the US. In Canada there is no real history of that as such until liberals needed a stick to beat Christian conservatives out of the media, the academy, and Parliament. In the USA the original intent of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment was to stop the federal government from setting up a nation-wide religion (like the Church of England) while allowing individual states to decide for themselves what they wanted. Several of the original 13 colonies were set up as religious communities trying to do their own thing out of the reach of Mother England. The fuck of it is that the Supreme Court of the United States has never been very concerned with actually following the Constitution as written.

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If you are not already familiar with him, I would like to suggest you check out Dr William Lane Craig and his website Reasonablefaith (dot)org .

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Craig is boring as fuck with nothing of value to say. I can’t imagine spending 5 minutes on that execrable site.

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“Destroyed in debate” did you just pull that out of your ass? I watch atheists vs theists debates usually the theists loose.
Atheist / Theist = belief, agnostic / gnostic = knowledge. ( weak and strong positions )
Ag, Aa, Tg, Ta.
YouTube has plenty of debates between theists and atheists.

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Atheists are the dumbest people I know. And the most annoying, most sanctimonious, self righteous, whine smarte arse peons.
Look at any Ricky Gervais, what a useless twat.
It takes so much arrogance, conceit and blind faith to look around you, into the universe and believe there is no creator. In the future atheism will be seen for what it is an abomination and an excuse for the biggest mass murder.
Death to dialectical materialism, really, die now!

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“Intelligence” is a wonky concept, as evidenced by the extreme lengths to say how intelligent they and their leaders are but at the same time attack any measurement of the phenomenon as sexist, racist and such, or -out of the other side of their mouth – saying it can’t be measured or is to complex to measure.
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Psychometricians are the right wing equivalent of climate scientologists, except that there is a lot more confirmation for the former group rather than the latter, in terms of predictability.
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Keep in mind that the ability to process facts quickly and accurately has no relationship to wisdom: the ability to make meaningful, moral and puposely choices given the same facts.
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Whether you cite Hume and the Is-Ought Dichotomy or the Law of Intended Consequences, what we see is a reverse Dunning – Kruger Effect where the smartest people fuck things up because they think they know better.
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Atheism requires a certain arrogance because it dispenses with any higher power or purpose, or check on your own arrogance.
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Western atheists have a limited understanding of the value of life. However, the more Stalin is an Maoist it becomes, it will be fucked.

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Not true, higher IQ people (The Bell Curve.) tend to make better life choices so higher IQ tends to correlate with more wisdom.

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You have, inadvertently, given me the empirical evidence I have been looking for to support my new proof for the existence of God: the argument from douche.
P1: if a maximally douchy entity exists, there must some transendant, countervailing entity which embodies all that which in not douchy. Otherwise, douchiness would have overwhelmed the universe.
P2: non-douchy things exist, such as Jesus, America, freedom, baseball, Ronald Reagan, etc.
P3: a maximally douchy entity exists (proven by your last comment ).
P4: maximal douchiness does not dominate the universe based on the existence of P2 + sunsets, babies, Chuck Norris, etc.
P5: the transendant embodiment of maximal non-douchiness, which allows for existence of P2, must be spacess, timeless, immaterial, omnipotent, in order to overcome the maximal douchiness of P3.
That entity is what classical theists call God.
Thanks again neck beard boy. In all your pseudo-intellectual, teenage angst ridden butthurt fury, you have proven the existence of God!

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Another idiot. Maybe because the nations you mentioned have an aged population, with average ages hovering around the 40 and 50s and are places where teenagers and children are outnumbered by oldster?

By the way, all the ethos those “agnostics” and “atheists” practice is derived from The Christian roots of our dying civilization. They are acting like ungrateful heirs that spit on the graveyard of their father while booking tickets for worldwide tours and buying fast-speed Ferraris with his wealth, but his wealth is not infinite and that is starting to become clear.

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>Then how come secular & predominantly non-religious nations dominate the most peaceful & non-corrupt nations? & how come atheists & agnostics commit far less crime per capita than religious people?

You’re a fucking moron who is totally out of your depth. Islamic countries which uphold the Shariah law are the most peaceful places on earth, trust me, I have a PHD in Sharia law from Harvard and I rest 20 Shariah-law-breaching scum men into peace by my own hands and my trusted laser scimitar. We also greet our fellow laser scimitar wielders with “may Allah’s peace & blessing be upon you”.

>I don’t know a single religious person in my extended family, & we’re still yet to commit a theft, rape, or murder that I know of lol…

That is not by your own doings, it is Allah who preserve and guide your hearts so you didn’t commit those atrocities and then end-up getting butt-raped in prison by Jamal and Quantavius for the rest of your days.

>That’s why pleasure chemicals are released into your bloodstream when you seek a mate &/or fuck (reproduce). That’s why electrical impulses (the pain you feel) are sent to your brain when your physical body is compromised.

I fear for your sanity and I fear that El Diablo has had too strong of a grip in your black heart already……………but don’t you worry, my infidel brother because I’ll pray to Allah that you shall eventually see the light and come into the fold of our peace-loving Jihadists, insha’Allah and may the Force be with you.

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Who ? France? Germany? UK?They’ve bombed three countries in the last 4 years.
They CAUSED all the turmoil in the Middle East, It was their secular non religious governments that imposed themselves on others.
Also your crime rate claims are absurd. The more atheist a country , the more rapes , the more murder, the more violence.

Anyway your rebuttal doesn’t even relate to my comment
I’m not saying that people do not have their own opinions , or that someone can not reach the same opinion as an objectively moral obligation duties of religion.
It’s that there that would not be OBJECTIVLY TRUE without an outside ,and above authority to make them objectively true.
If we are only accidents of mindless creation, mere biological machines programmed by accident to believe or reason a certain way , then there is no truth, there is no free will, , there is way to even declare anything valid from logic and reason itself. Even your own assertions would have zero meaning because they were true, it would mean your assertions themselves are just a result of mindless accidental machine like programming of evolution , where your own thoughts are just meaningless results of that very same accidental evolution .

All the currently secular nation of “peace” you can name , were created by Christian moral values FROM the teaching of Jesus Christ. From believing all human life is innately valuable and equal, , all humans, even ath’ards have a right to their own life and conscience, to even that murder itself is wrong regardless if you get other people to do the murder.
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Well, an angry atheist dirt bag just shot up a bunch of Christians in Oregon. Adam Lanza also hated religious people.

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Sigh. Socrates knocked off this argument 2300 years ago in the ‘Euthyphro’. Is it good because God loves it, or does God love it because it is good? If God loves it because it is Good, ,then it is Good independently of God. If it is Good only because God loves it, then nto say “God loves the Good’ means “God loves what God loves’. Indeed, the Christian notion of Salvation makes sense if – and only if – there is some objective good that all men can perceive, and recognize that they all fall short of achieving it. There are many names for this good – De rerum natura, the Dao Tien, Dharma…but they are all instances of an objective good existing independenly of time, place, and people.

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Sigh, Euthyphro is a false dilemma and you aren’t even representing it correctly .But I laugh because when an atheist brings it up , it proves their arguments are several thousand years behind.
Christianity solved Euthyphro long ago. That is in fact the point of Christianity
God is Good, a characteristic of His Nature is Good , an inseparable and integral part of Him .
That’s why when the man called Jesus “Good Rabbi” , Jesus asks “Why do you call me -good?. There is none good by God”
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There is nothing about Hinduism or Buddhism that expressing anything being OBJECTIVELY good. For instance, if granny is sick , you can toss her on the junk heap before she’s dead if you think it’s more beneficial over all , and thus subjectively good.
This was a common practice in India before the Christians arrived..
Mother Theresa wrote extensively about pulling the sick and dying from trash heaps., who were cast out like yesterday’s trash.
Compare that to what Jesus taught where all are equal in value and worthy of salvation , including the poor, the old, the sick the weak ,children , women , and the unschooled , and even the guilty.

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No sit, you have asserted God is good without first defining the Good. You cannot call God – or any thing else good – without first defining the term. Good Aristotelian that he was, this is the Aquinas. He first defines how, in an Aristotelian metaphysics, it is possible to speak of a being who is the highest level in a hierarchy of Final Causes. He then proceeds to the define the Good, and THEN he explains why the definition of God as Good is, again,, a possible state even within Aristotle’s concept of Prime Mover.

So, the issue is not about theism or atheism. A fervent theist should have no problem asseting that the Good exists logically prior to a definition of a deity as Good. This is no different than first asserting there is a Nomos – a lawfulness – in the physical universe, and then asserting it is consistent with the claim that there was a Prime Mover which acted on matter to create that order.

For Protestants who are sola scriptura and Salvation without works in their theology, Socrates’ question is still a valid challenge. RC’s, having Aquinas at their disposal, can avoid that problem. Indeed, the whole point of Aquinas’ work is that far from disproving Christianity, Aristotle is a perfect subset of Christian belief. This is why he bothers with five proofs – why didn’t he just choose his best? The answer is that there were so many ways to show that, even within Aristotle ‘s metaphysics, the Christian god is a possible outcome.. Of course, the good doctor did not stop there – he went on to ague about how the Christian god was the only possible one, even in Aristotle’s universe.

I notice you do not address the challenge of the Chinese tradition of the Way off Heaven, as expounded by philosophers every bit as competent as those in the Greco-Roman tradition. Some reason?

Your opinion about Hinduism, and especially Buddhism, ,is not correct. To show how Buddhism promoted the good, one merely has to read about the life of Ashokah, the first Buddhist king, and his own words on the subject.

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Nope I don’t need Santa Claus for adults aka God. As an Atheist all the women I have dated were theists because too many ( especially women think being an Atheist makes them cool, hip, trendy, etc and are not Atheists due to critical thinking about the world around them. Basically following the herd.

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‘Moral Living’ doesn’t require ‘God’. There is good human nature.

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The church is filled with sinners.

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I live in a big latinamerican city, I’m 22, finishing college and working in a financial institution.

From my experience, 90% of the girls have adopted the career model, want to travel, have fun, etc. There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s the norm and it’s even encouraged by their parents.

How could’ve this happen in one of the most religious countries? I am yet to find out.

It’s no different from big cities in the US, although the manifestation is here, isn’t as strong; marriage and kids are still expected from women, facing sorrow and pity if they are 30 and single.

It is from my personal experience that women with a potential mom profile are to be found in the highest social classes, maybe because that’s how their family works: the father is strong and successful, beautiful mother devoted to her family while he provides. I don’t know really, but it’s more likely these girls have a more conservative mindset than their more economically modest counterparts, who might be inclined to believe that they shouldn’t leave their stability be handled by a man, fear.

I’ve had my fun with college and banking girls and I know I’m too young to worry about kids, but it’s definitely a thought that will be me in 10 years and a different society I’ll live in.

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What city?

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How could’ve this happen in one of the most religious countries? I am yet to find out.

Simple, the faith died and no one believes in anything. If you are in your 20s and 30s maybe, maybe your grandparents believed in something and were really religious. None of us knew something worthwhile, LatAm used to be catholic and Catholic hierarchy collapsed in the 60s due to infiltration and heresy. I guess you are in Southamerica. End result: Bergoglio the marxist clown.

From my experience, 90% of the girls have adopted the career model, want to travel, have fun, etc. There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s the norm and it’s even encouraged by their parents.

That’s a big part of the problem. Everything in that picture is bad. Is only good if you are looking for quick bang, as I am looking now.

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Wouldn’t the issue you report with women having too many casual partners being unsuitable for marriage in the long term also apply to you? I don’t mean to attack you Roosh, but if we have to look at ourselves without self delusion as part of the red pill journey one of the questions we have to ask ourselves is : Am I the man who can attract what I want?

Apologies if this comes across as a troll type question. Your work on day game has added value to my life.

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No. Women compare things, men don’t.

If Roosh marries a woman who’s had 7 alpha dicks in her, she’s going to compare him to all of them every time they get busy. Roosh, as with most men, won’t care if his wife’s shit in bed. He’s looking for a stable marriage and family. Plus men naturally care if their partner has had other mates. It’s in our genes. Not so much for women.

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I would have to strongly disagree. If a man like Roosh v were to settle down with me I would feel extremely insecure providing all his personal encounters with so many women. A man who has had a lot of variety in the past will want to keep seeking it. Men also compare different women and remember different lovers. Everyone does it. Personally, I think incel men who have been in monk mode working on themselves are the best candidates to settle down with. Not only will they have had very little to no prior sexual experience, but they will be grateful to have someone and they won’t play dread game on me. They will also have provider ability through working on themselves. Men who are used to women rejecting them and finding them unattractive make better husbands. The more desperate a man is and the fewer romantic options he has had throughout his life, the better. He will love any woman who allows him to be the alpha to her that he never was to the rest of the world. Any woman that wants him particularly if she treats him well will be taken care of for the rest of her life without the risk of him trading up. I also think that East Asian men make the best husbands as I find them very physically attractive, hard working and intelligent, but that is just my personal preference. I also think that men need to be under 5’10 in height, preferably. Taller men are more egotistical and more likely to stray. I am also below average height myself, so a man doesn’t need to be tall to be considerably taller than me. I am living this experience right now and I am being really well taken care of by a hard working man and other women just haven’t seen his potential, mostly because he is chinese in a western country, is short and is very socially awkward. He likes white girls, which has made things extremely difficult for him. Apart from me he has only ever been with prostitutes, which I don’t think counts because they were not personal encounters. I can’t say I have particularly high SMV myself, physically I am little unattractive and not just objectively. However, I don’t think being beautiful would change my opinion. As women age they all get ugly to some degree and I don’t want a man leaving me or taking mistresses when I am older. I have also had a very difficult pregnancy and have not been able to keep active and when the baby is born I will have to lose a lot of weight. I also have other physical issues. Chances are a higher SMV man who has slept with lots of slim attractive women and has plenty of other options would be very unhappy with this and it would cause issues with the relationship.

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Brilliant. Within just the first two sentences, you’ve taken a conversation about the differences between men and women and turned it into a talk about yourself. See: female solipsism.

Marrying Roosh is intimidating to you not because he might leave you, but because he can. This is natural. Roosh is a high value male and most women want high value males. Hence, you know if you’re not meeting his needs, he’d have little problem finding another woman who might just do a better job. It has little to do with him sleeping around and much to do with him being an alpha.

Also please note that having women reject you and call you ugly doesn’t always make men better. Many times it turns them into shut-in assholes. You sound like a dominatrix.

Props for giving short men a chance, you’re one of the few.

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I think all women subconsciously desire control over men. However, it’s not the direct, ‘dominatrix’ control you are speaking of that women want. Women still want men to be good leaders, but they want to be in the driver’s seat when it comes to keeping men around. If you think attractive women don’t use their looks to control and manipulate men into trading resources you have another thing coming. What I am doing is simply a different strategy. Planet earth is a very messed up place. There is nothing benevolent about our existence. The sooner you learn this stuff the better. Why would any woman want to opt for a man who has better options? You are simply giving him a ticket to mess up your already pointless life.

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Marrying Roosh isn’t intimidating. The thought of it is skin-crawling verging on vomit-inducing. Hypocrisy isn’t attractive. Nor is utter selfishness.

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Exactly

I dont want a man-whore who passes his seed to everything that has a vagina.

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Low SMV white women often see minority men as an option of last resort. I’ve seen this time and time again. If you were young, hot and blonde, you wouldn’t be caught dead with a Chinese man, or probably any other non-white man unless they were rich or a celebrity. You only see this Chinese man’s good qualities because you have no better options and were forced to. Maybe you should read your post to him.

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Even if you discount the Asian/minority part something about her post reeks of low SMV. I just could not imagine a successful Asian man married to someone that would post that.

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Yeah most white women in the US are messed up to a degree. If they don’t want to sleep with an Asian man, no problem. They’re too low anyways with their excessive smartphone addiction, food obsession, numerous tattoos, self-entitled attitudes, and potty mouths.

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I already said it before. I will only marry and produce children with a Latin American or Former Eastern Bloc woman. Picking a woman who’s first language is not English eliminates 50 percent of the risk/problems of marriage/mother of your future children.

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That is not everyone. I agree with Chloe, I find East Asian men the best husbands: loyalty, hard-working, intelligent, and good genes. This is why my husband is Korean, not because I couldn’t find another man (I’ve had plenty of men still ask me out). I have high standards in men, if more women did, you’d see less sluts and man-whores.

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I’m sure many women spend a decade getting fucked and chucked by alphas then decide to hunker down with an Asian beta provider who will be all too thrilled to have anything white.

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I was a virgin and married when I was 18. So, no, that isn’t me.

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“Men who are used to women rejecting them and finding them unattractive make better husbands. The more desperate a man is and the fewer romantic options he has had throughout his life, the better. He will love any woman who allows him to be the alpha to her that he never was to the rest of the world.”

And there it is, the core of this entire post. Her “allowing” him to be the alpha. She wants a man she can control and who will not attempt to control her.

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All women want an element of control over men. You don’t think high value women use their beauty to control and keep men by the balls? What I do is all based on the same principal, it is just a different strategy.

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IMO I don’t think you’d be able to have respect for the guy you described. He would just be with you because he has no other option not because he thinks you’re special. Desperation is absolutely unsexy ! A guy who has lots of options but chooses you, who could cheat but doesn’t, and who doesn’t need to be nice and romantic to get laid but is = perfect.

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A guy who has lots of options but chooses you (read: low SMV woman), who could cheat but doesn’t, and who doesn’t need to be nice and romantic to get laid but is = a fucking idiot.

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I don’t get how that makes me a low SMV woman. Would I be a higher SMV woman if I choose to be with someone who had no options and is only with me because no other woman would have him. Please clarify.

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Did you not say to Chloe ” I don’t think you’d be able to have respect for the guy you described. He would just be with you because he has no other option not because he thinks you’re special. you’d be able to have respect for the guy you described. He would just be with you because he has no other option not because he thinks you’re special”

Do YOU not think that Chloe’s guy is a low SMV man? Why you think Chloe be with a low SMV man? Perhaps she is just as desperate and without option like her man is? In other words, they both possess similarly low SMV aka he is the best she can get and vice versa. Or perhaps it is the power of the true love which moved her to settle with a low SMV man? Or do you not not believe in true love unless it is between a higher SMV man and a lower SMV woman i.e. female hypergamy?

And then you proceeded “Desperation is absolutely unsexy ! A guy who has lots of options but chooses YOU, who could cheat but doesn’t, and who doesn’t need to be nice and romantic to get laid but is = perfect”.

By YOU, I think you must mean Chloe hence it was not a stretch when I added ‘READ: A LOW SMV WOMAN’.

“Would I be a higher SMV woman if I choose to be with someone who had no options and is only with me because no other woman would have him.”

If the guy had a similar mindset as you do then not only would you be a high SMV woman but you’ll be PERFECT in his eyes, he won’t even believe his luck and will think to himself :

“A princess (PrincessMia) who has lots of options but chooses me (read: low SMV man), who could marry a prince or a billionaire but doesn’t, and who doesn’t need to promise to take my cock up in her ass and to drink my sperm in order to get laid but did anyway = perfect”.

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Yes. I agree with you. Those were my exact thoughts. Chloe is a low SMV woman and she seeks out the same exact type. I thought you were saying that I was being a low SMV woman by wanting someone with high SMV, I was like what??? You make a good point, if you’re going to want someone special and high value, you’re going to have to match that. In the end, people typically end up with people who are worth around the same as them.

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“In the end, people typically end up with people who are worth around the same as them.”

Not quite, a woman typically ended up with a man AT LEAST her own SMV level or even much higher than hers. Most men are beta chumps, even the famous and wealthy ones
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What you pointed out does fascinate me because it happens ALOT. I was referring to a person’s cumulative value though. Things like looks, age, charm, wealth, and reputation contribute a high SMV. SMV fails to account for a person’s Longterm Mate Value, lets call that LMV. LMV accounts for the person’s personality and how they treat you. A person with high SMV can end up having a total crap personality once you really get to know them. I think guys choose girls who have lower SMV because they tend to have higher LMV. I think that can be problematic though because you have to ask WHY that person is demonstrating symptoms of LMV. Is it the real deal or is it because they are desperate and using it as bait? I’m curious, what does being alpha mean to you? And what are things that make a guy beta?

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I can’t really comment on the so-called LMV because there is no reliable way to measure it other than if the woman possess much higher SMV but chose the lower SMV man as in the case with Julia Roberts and hubby Danny Moder — only then can the man be convinced that the woman will continue to treat him well up until his deathbed.

An alpha man is respected and looked up to by his fellow men, I doubt most guys here will opine that Bill Gates, Zuckerberg and Jeb Bush as alphas despite their immense wealth and status.

“And what are things that make a guy beta?”

Settle for a woman lower than his own worth.

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I agree, if a person has a high SMV and they’re with you and they demonstrate high LMV its more believable. My theory is that the realer and more genuine LMV you have, the higher your bullshit detector is and the more likely you are to be able to see it and attract it. Also the thing that differentiates a person who is has genuinely high LMV and a person who’s desperate and faking it is: power. You have to see how that person responds in situations where they have power. Are they nice even when they don’t have to? Are they nice to people with a lower social standing. Also a person’s relative happiness and satisfaction with life reveals a lot about them. Someone who is usually happy and upbeat has the ability to be grateful and focus on the positives in life, so that really important. I think what really differentiates the alpha from the beta is his sense of self respect and high standards. If you don’t respect your self and have high standards for the way people treat you, you won’t be able to get the respect of everyone else.

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I guess, but not all women have that option, so they have to find ways to be manipulative to keep a man around. We can’t all be at the top of the hierarchy. Those who are at the bottom have to learn to be underhanded.

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No offence to the poster, but this:

“I have also had a very difficult pregnancy and have not been able to keep active and when the baby is born I will have to lose a lot of weight.”

This is the reality of having kids.

If you’re a player who enjoys the company of thin women .. this will be a difficult time for you, and, her slim figure may never ever come back.

Also those stories about natural child birth leaving everything in perfect working order … is a fantasy.

This is just the way it goes.

Having a kid changes your life. Many would like to say -ruins- your life. But they can’t say it out loud… Because they are completely financially trapped at that point.

She has you entirely by the balls.

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i dunno. i’m holding out hope that my wife will basically be the latina maria kang (maria chavez?) after she has kids.

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Start hiding assets.

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A bunch of my colleagues here in China became fathers recently. Within a couple of months their wife dropped back down to a 20 BMI. There is fat shaming like crazy here, even for new mothers.

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This is why I switched to Asian – Reliably thin women.

Aided by peer pressure, bullying, and shaming.

My favourite social controls. Perfection.

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If a woman’s slim figure does come back after pregnancy, it probably won’t be the same as it was before either. I know women whose bellies look like a mound of pizza dough and whose boobs look like deflated balloons after 1 kid.

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True.

There is no honestly amongst parents advising their kids on whether to have kids or not.

To say “having kids ruined your mother’s body” is a little bit impolite, in any context.

And what do we hear from the women? “It doesn’t matter, I’m a mum now. My kids are the most important part of my life.”

Translation: The man is completely marginalised. She is less attractive, and now has a massive claim on your wealth.

After having kids, men become second class citizens.

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Were any of them doing P90X ?

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“Apart from me he has only ever been with prostitutes, which I don’t think counts because they were not personal encounters.”
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Ha ha ha, your husband has only been with prostitutes. WTF

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Ikr, gross.

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100 percent agree. Men seek out different qualities when they decide to get married.

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Men and women are different. Sleeping around is much more acceptable for a man than a woman. Although Roosh has had sex with so many women now that I think he isn’t really suitable for marriage.

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If you agree to get into an exclusive relationship with someone then it’s not acceptable for either party to cheat. If that’s not something you can do, then stay single and just chase ass until you’re ready to commit. Or find a woman who is ok with open relationships. There may not be many but they exist. I think if a man is not willing or able to be faithful to a woman, then he’s not ready to get married. Nothing wrong with that, just don’t get married then. Or find a surrogate mother if you want to pass on your DNA. Why deceive someone? Being a man is about having integrity and honor and not putting your family life at risk of divorce over a few minutes of empty pleasure.

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Yes, because women who “are suitable for marriage” and fit Roosh’s standards don’t find manwhores attractive. As someone who has almost all of the characteristics described (except the one about the skin tone, I’m Ethiopian). I’d never want to marry someone who’s promisicuous like Roosh, because he doesn’t share the same values as me. I’d want someone who CAN sleep around and be promiscuous if he wanted and is desirable but won’t because it goes against what he believes in.

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So basically you want a unicorn.. some “hawt”, alpha dude who for some bizarre reason never slept with that many women and decides to commit to you.

Typical deluded female.. good luck with that. You’ll just get banged and dumped.

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No, I want a guy who is like me. I’m as you put it “hawt” and get always get attention from guys but never slept with anyone. His reasons would be the same as mine, chastity. Thanks for trying to enlighten me, but the only way I could get “banged and dumped” was if I believed in premarital sex.

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I think Mia has a pretty good point. A girl who meets all of Roosh’s criteria probably would have no interest in his marriage proposal. Even if she were interested, her parents would say “hell no” and she would accept their decision.

But I think Roosh pretty much knows that he is being unrealistic; I think he is just poking a little fun at the legions of girls who have laundry lists of dating requirements.

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Generally speaking men and woman are judged by and judge each other by different standards.

Men judge women based on her beauty and chastity. Women judge men based on his ability to provide and secure her safety/future.

The poster Mia that you responded to claims she wouldn’t want a man like Roosh (yet here she is demonstrating her value on his site, anyway) because his promiscuity is deemed unattractive. This is because her personal sense of security is defined by a man who can successfully provide her sexual loyalty to nullify the underlying insecurity that another, hotter woman will steal him away from her via sleeping with him – leaving her utterly unsecured and unsafe. Children are a women’s biggest investment in life and they need to know that investment will be protected by the man who will provide and secure her and them.

Is a virgin man a better or worse man than one who has slept with many women? Morally speaking a virgin man is better. And a virgin woman is more deserving of a virgin man than a man who is not. But a non-virgin man marrying a virgin woman doesn’t raise any eyebrows typically because a virgin woman to a man is the ultimate prize. She is what he could never be because he was not morally strong enough to keep himself as she has. This is very admirable especially if done in today’s society.

The moral purity a virgin woman introduces into a man’s life garners the ultimate sacrifice and her loyalty to him is rewarded with the utmost respect. A woman sacrifices her purity for a man and in return that man sacrifices his life for the woman

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I think besides being 2 yr older than that requirement (& being married with children now), I fit his standard, or rather would have before I found my current husband. I would never have been with a former man-whore.
I always took care of myself and stayed a virgin. I expected that of my husband, and found my man. He is intelligent, sweet, a hard worker, a good husband and father, works out to stay in shape, and is loyal as hell.

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Ok, I was going to respond to your earlier post but it seems you altered it.

I get where you’re coming from.. You say it’s all about “moral values”.. but unless you’re religious, morality is quite subjective. One can make a reasoned, liberal argument – and the current Western, feminist , secular and liberal culture believes this to be the case – that as long as sex is consensual between two adults, there is nothing wrong with men or women “exploring their sexuality” and sleeping with as many people as they want.

You might be mistaking your natural female tendency to be picky and highly selective with being “moral.” Be careful not to confuse the two as a lot of women tend to do. Men and women are different biologically and have different sexual drives and imperatives. Males are driven to “spread their seed”.. to desire sexual variety.. to want to sleep with lots of women. Women are less interested in sexual variety (although they are definitely not monogamous for life; women tend to be “hypergamous”).. and more interested in wanting the “best” male in terms of looks, genes, healthy, physical fitness and status. Women also for the most part require emotional intimacy in order to be physically intimate.. and their bodies are more complicated and they require a man to invest time learning about her body and what pleases her sexually. In short, a woman still desires sex.. but she only wants the best, the hottest, the most alpha, the highest status male.. and wants him to commit to her and her alone.. until of course she tires of him and she runs across someone better who gives her tingles. In the manosphere, this is known as “serial monogamy” and hypergamy, and is the woman’s sexual nature and preferred means for promiscuity. Don’t mistake this form of promiscuity and highly selective and fickle type of “monogamy” as being any more “moral” or better than a man’s form of promiscuity. It’s just different. .and not based on any kind of intrinsic virtue on the woman’s part.. but rather the biological nature of her sexual drive and imperative shaped by hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

Also, female chastity is something that is prized by most men. Female chastity is a virtue. Male chastity isn’t. Most women want and desire the type of men who most other women desire, and who has some sexual experience and confidence. I repeat what I said: what you are looking for is a unicorn and the chances are very slim to zero that you’re going to find it. What you’re looking for only makes sense if you’re super religious and want to find someone equally religious who is very attractive and “hawt” the way you demand but also hasn’t slept with any women. I still doubt you actually want a man who isn’t sexually experienced.. or at least, more sexually experienced than you. Because there is no way the kind of man who passes your lofty criteria in terms of looks in the current culture wouldn’t have slept with multiple women before you. As a woman, you have no understand of what the male sex drive is like.. and how strong the need and desire is for a man to sleep with attractive women especially when he’s in his 20s. And if a guy has been blessed with the good looks and body that allow him easy sexual access to attractive women, there is no chance in hell he will be passing those opportunities up.. unless he has no sex drive, is gay, or is very religious and his values forbid him from having premarital sex. And even then, it requires an almost impossible kind of willpower to resist easy sexual access to attractive women if indeed he is the “hawt” and highly physically attractive type that women desire sexually.

Now getting back to you. In your first reply you described yourself as quite hot and attractive because of the attention you get from males according to you. I am skeptical of women assessing their own “hotness.” MOst females these days have overly inflated egos and think they’re far more attractive than they are in reality. .and also make the critical mistake of thinking just because guys want to fuck them it means the same “hawt” guys will also want to have a relationship and commit to them. Those are two very different things. Guys much hotter than you, and of higher status than you might want to sleep with you but that doesn’t mean they would ever commit to you. Make sure you understand the difference and don’t be too full of yourself that you dismiss and reject good men who you think aren’t “hawt” enough for you, or high enough status.. even if those men might be the type who are actually looking for a real relationship and monogamy. And I hate to bring up the race issue but given you’re ethnically black and Ethiopian, that really puts you at the bottom as far as guys wanting to marry you and have children with you. Unless you’re talking about other black and African men. A lot of white men will sleep with attractive black women but they will not commit to them or marry and have children with them. So make sure you understand that and are realistic… otherwise, you’re never going to find what you’re looking for.

P.S. I’m not white myself and actually I’m originally from East Africa.. but I’m not black. I’m aware African culture is more conservative and that’s probably what you mean by your values. I’m also aware that many Ethiopian and Somali women are indeed quite attractive and “exotic looking” to Westerners.

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You’re right chasing after some “hawt alpha guy” is kind of a recipe for disaster, not just because of the getting banged and dumped thing you mention but because lets just imagine that I did manage to make him marry me. Does that mean I’ll be happy and all will be good? NO! Especially since I would have been so focused on chasing after all these superficial qualities instead of the ones that really do count, the goodness of a person’s heart. I’m not saying that I’d marry an old bald guy or one thats lifelong career is at Shake Shack because he has a “good heart”. Looks and wealth are important, but they are not the qualities that matter the most. Also about the whole white guy thing, I really don’t find white guys to be better looking or more attractive and desirable and I’ve never daydreamed of marrying one so I’m not exactly bummed out about the thing you said. All races and ethnicities have good looking, cool, and nice people, white people aren’t better, and black people aren’t less. You mention that men want to “spread the seed” and women are interested in the most hawtest alphaest dude. I agree with you, that is a part of human nature. But so is being lazy, eating junkfood instead of healthy stuff, not wanting to exercise, wasting money on meaningless junk, hoarding, being stingy, attention seeking, doing crazy things when you’re angry, revenge, being greedy, caring about only yourself, showing off, not wanting to be patient etc. But doing these things isn’t good and they don’t result in happiness. I believe we have to try to rise above these things and do the right thing even if its really really hard. Everything you do has a consequence and effects you spiritually including promiscuity. Like here, http://www.rooshv.com/the-dark-side , Roosh describes how the game effected him. Is that really the type of guy I would want to marry? NO! In short, I do think my thing is a moral value thing, because I want someone who rises above their base nature and always struggles to do what’s right, and that’s what I want to do too forever.

BTW. I am religious and will be looking for that in my mate. And like I said in the post above, the guy could be average in looks and wealth, being super hawt and desired by every woman isn’t exactly what I’m going for. Just definitely not the desperate guy Chloe mentions in her post.

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ok, fair enough.. if you do mean what you say in your post above I can’t really find much fault with what you say. You sound pretty reasonable and like you have a good head on your shoulders.

How old are you, can I ask?

You make a somewhat good point about rising above your base nature. This is a problem philosophers have argued for a long time and probably will continue to argue about. Is man happiest when he follows his animal natures and appetites, sexual and otherwise.. or when he attempts to shed all of them and become “pure” in spirit ? As someone who is not religious and can’t bring myself to believe in a God or the supernatural, my answer to that question is that man needs to find a balance. It seems like a pretty banal and obvious point to make.. but it’s easier said than done. It requires more than simply human will to not succumb to your base animal nature.. and that’s where I think the role of social constraints and religious values are necessary. That’s what makes me more of a conservative than a liberal I suppose.. in that liberals believe men and women should be free to indulge in whatever appetites they have as long as it is consensual and isn’t harmful to anyone else. Conservatives argue that human beings need some restrictions and constraints on their behaviour because everything in life has a cost, including for example, sexual freedom, not only to the individual, but to the greater society at large… and the society has an interest in promoting behaviours that make a society strong and resilient and prosperous.. and that might require constraints on some human behaviour.

The only argument or disagreement we might have on this is that you or other women demand men rise about their base natures and resist what is strongly coded in his genes, which is to have sex with lots of attractive women.. but I don’t see women demanding women also rise about their awfully picky and highly selective and shallow base natures, i.e, rejecting most men and finding only 5% of men worthy enough to sleep with when these women are in their hottest years. Women have always had high sexual power during their most sexiest and younger years.. but their sexual imperative is highly selective and extremely punishing to most men and leaves most men out in the sexual wilderness during their most virile and sexually potent years. One of the manosphere’s arguments is that if women are given too much sexual freedom and power, their hypergamous sexual natures damage other men and create conditions that make marriage and monogamy difficult if not impossible. I think women are too picky and selective for their own good and left to their devices, most women will refuse to settle for anyone but the top 5% of men.. and end up being part of a harem of rotating plates of highly sought after alpha males and never end up really getting married or having children. This is a detriment to those women, to other men who would have previously made good husbands and fathers, and a detriment to society at large.

I agree with you though that promiscuity, both male and female, does take a toll on a person. The manosphere has this “theory” that women become incapable of “bonding” after riding too many alpha cocks but they don’t really have much evidence to back up this theory. I think it’s probably true that a lot of women are damaged by promiscuity simply because they do end up feeling used by men in a way that men just don’t feel after having sex with women. But promiscuity does carry a cost for men too.. how could it not really? When you’re always chasing after the thrill of banging some new woman and adding to your notch count, how can you possibly be content with one woman for the rest of your life? I mean monogamy is difficult for human beings as it is… it just makes monogamy even more difficult when you’ve led a highly promiscuous lifestyle before being with the woman you’re trying to commit to.

P.S. I wasn’t trying to say black people are less than white people or anything like that. I am not white myself and have been subjected to racism in my life, including by women, who can be incredibly racist in their sexual preferences, so I wouldn’t never say or believe anything like that. But unfortunately it is a reality that we need to be aware about. I was simply pointing out an unfortunate but true fact.. that black women tend to be at the bottom as far as other men wanting to commit and marry them and have children with them. I see a lot of attractive black men who seem to think they’re too good for other black men and who are sleeping around with white men.. maybe thinking those men will decide to commit to them and marry them at some point.. but it rarely happens… and these black women don’t come to their senses until it’s way too late if even then. Anyway, you don’t seem to be like one of those women.

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I’m 21.

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Check out Enrique Iglesias, who is “hawt”. He could sleep around, but chooses not to. Maybe it’s because his father did, and he sees the drawbacks and doesn’t see it as a good role model. The whole post smacks of adversarial relationships, not love.

It’s very telling that men bitch and whine about rejection to the degree that there are books and online courses available about succeeding in screwing around, and yet ultimately men want a woman who hasn’t done so. Maybe it would be better to go back to the older ways where most women saved themselves for marriage apart from the few poor souls who had to go into prostitution.

Whatever, reading stuff like this makes me more inclined to become a lesbian radfem or whatever they’re called. Don’t like women particularly, tho. Don’t like 95% of men either.

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Exactly. I would never be with a man who wasn’t a virgin if I was (my husband and I were both). I’d rather keep my life simple like that.

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I hope the Jezebel sluts have swallowed their heart medication before reading this one:)
BTW, I think point number two is the most important one.

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I hope they haven’t :).

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Acceptable races are South American, Persian, Armenian, and European (non-Northern)…

Persian? Are you sure? Persian girls can be very beautiful, but they’re notoriously difficult.

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Persian girls can be very beautiful, but they’re notoriously difficult.

Can confirm this.

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Well, he’s Persian himself, so it makes sense he would want a girl of the same ancestry.

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It’s what he wants.

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I mean he’s half Persian, half Turkish so am guessing it’s if roosh wants to come back to his roots or something. Leaving the option out there for himself if he decides

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He’s half Armenian, not Turkish.

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You sure? I thought there was some video he talked about having a Turkish mum and Persian dad

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No, mom is Armenian, but I guess her family comes from Turkey, so she will have Turkish culture, cooking etc. Or to be more precise; Byzantine culture and food, as the invading Muslim Turks pretty much came with zero culture and knowledge outside warfare.

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Yeah he states here he is Iranian and Armenian: http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/game/bang-the-definitive-interview-with-rooshv-part-one/

His Armenian mother is from Turkey though so that’s probably where your confusion comes from. Not all Armenians were killed in the genocide, some did survive and their descendents still live in Anatolia (only 60,000) – not many, but yeah there’s still a community of Armenians remaining there.

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DIfficult….totally agree.
beautiful, alot of them can be drop dead, but keep in mind they are big on nose jobs and cake makeup.
wierd they tend to be hit or misses but no in between

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So it’s clear that cities in Eastern Europe are westernizing. What about the countryside? How does that look for LTR/marriage material? Anyone know?

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I intend to find that out.

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Hit up Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. Very traditional mindsets, most girls are virgins and do not have sex before marriage.

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I gamed an Azerbaijani chick from class.
she was 25. Very attractive. Brought her home…Never made it past 1st base though. She told me, “I cannot have sex with you until you marry me.”
I prolly hung out with her 4 times.
She told me how she cant wear short-shorts or heels at home because of her dad. & how she loved wearing them on Firday nights. Such a drag…

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i’ve heard the same, at least about georgia. supposedly you’re allowed to third base, but sex before marriage is not going to happen.

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Georgian women do NOT age well from what I have heard. – Caveat emptor

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In my mind there is only one place left in the world that offers most of what neomasculine men are after. All of Europe is doomed, as there’re only a handful of countries that remain non-EU. With part of Ukraine falling victim to toxic Western world ideas (hipsters etc.), I pray that Serbia remains immune, as Russia is.

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Rural Bang, © 2017, Roosh

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i have no experience in poland, but i always tell guys who are planning on hitting ukraine or russia to avoid the capital and bigger cities like st. pete or kharkov and focus on second- and third-tier cities. cherkassy, zythomyr, and poltava would be good third-tier cities in ukraine.

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Why should they avoid the big cities?

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big cities like kiev, moscow, and peter are expensive and people (especially girls) are far less likely to be impressed that you’re american/some other kind of westerner. in my town of 250,000 in ukraine i’d sometimes have people react with utter astonishment at realizing they were talking to an american. a colleague of mine and i attended a high school activity in a small town in rural ukraine once and were actually cheered like rock stars when we walked in.

i wouldn’t go too small though. something in the 200k-300k range like the ukrainian towns i mentioned is best. the small villages are rough, and there aren’t going to be a lot of girls.

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My 6 requirements are all on this list. 4 is not on my list (yet). I can look through my family tree to my great, great grandfather and see his genes dominating the appearance of the male offspring despite skin color. Seeing these requirements all laid out reinforces my goals to be a better man.

I hope our children or grandchildren will not have to waste so much time on low-value sluts to hone their craft finely enough to land a good woman.

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It is a serious mistake to marry in Russia or Ukraine.

What he is looking for can only be found in Muslim societies. Russia is incredibly degenerate, in a different way from the West, but still presents serious obstacles for a fulfilling marriage and family life. Their religion is not taken seriously enough, their attitude is divorce-friendly and quite frankly they make horrible mothers. It is also curious you mention point 3, as in Russia the higher on the beauty scale you go, the more traditional her mindset is. I would even go as far as saying that the hottest ones would likely be your best bet if Russia were the only option, the correlation in that country between beauty and a traditional mindset is staggering.

However, even the most traditional-minded girls in Russia are not traditional enough. For maximum chance of success in marriage and family, one must convert to Islam, move to a heavily religious Muslim state, and marry a local girl through the Mosque. As far as I understand, Roosh has connections in Iran, so perhaps that is where he should set his focus.

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I agree that Russia/Ukraine is decadent but I see many guys wifing up girls I wouldn’t in spite of the girls’ questionable values. A tougher and more methodical selection system is needed where you don’t fall for their makeup/heels game and innocent act.

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That is like saying you could find a proper wife in New York, through a “tougher and more methodical selection system”.

If the culture is wrong, the culture is wrong. There are many girls in Russia with good intentions, they are not necessarily out to get you, but the underlying cultural mindsets will backlash over the long term.

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“If the culture is wrong, the culture is wrong.” I agree with this. I’ve traveled a lot and lived in different countries. The narrative wants us to believe that “everyone is an individual”, but the reality is that people – and especially people’s opinions – are nothing but regurgitations of what their culture tells them to think. Culture robots if you will. Cultural brainwashing. When you see two people from a certain country behave a certain way, it’s safe to say “over there they’re all like that, or at least 99+ percent”.

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Yes, I would say that a girl from Muslim culture would most appeal to me. However, I have zero interest in living in or participating in a Muslim culture, so I don’t know where that leaves me.

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Sound like my type of girls!

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Good luck in trying to find a female who is not completely broken, and good luck trying to find a country that still advocates those 7 requirements in their women. Ukraine and Russia still have hardships enough trying to survive, and eventually your east euro female will start to resent you for not buying the Hermitage.

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“eventually your east euro female will start to resent you for not buying the Hermitage.”

heheh. well said. that was basically my experience after bringing my little russian hottie back to the US, like an idiot.

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Well Bucky I hope she didn’t fleece you in divorce court. I also know that sometimes with the right russian chick it is easy to have one’s judgement clouded because of her beauty and sweetness.

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yeah, russian girls will make it hard for you to think with your brain.
the first few years with her just seem like a haze of blow jobs and
promises to be with me forever when i think back on them now. i was a clueless beta at the time, so i had no chance.

my strategy with the divorce was to give her (almost) all my stuff as long as she checked the box that said i never, ever had to pay alimony. i didn’t have that much stuff to begin with and i knew i could get back on my feet, which i did.

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The problem with Polish girls is that there are few who want to have children by the age of 18-25. However if you broaden your search around smaller towns, then you might find more of them. Actually that is the case everywhere around the world.

I have made the experience that of such girls many don’t even take in all the mental attitudes from the big cities, which means that they still retain their traditional viewpoint after having moved to a bigger city.

Another option is to aim for a girl who is a bit older in the 26-30 age range or to take a 23 year old Ukrainian, Romanian girl to a country that is safer and more comfortable like Poland, but not too enticing and feminist like the US or Western Europe.

Personally I think that this is not an impossible undertaking. What’s probably more difficult is to stay “faithful” or to find special arrangements with such a woman – after having tasted so much sexual variety as a man.

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Actually quite a few do want to start a family “early” – however they invariably don’t speak English.

If you’re looking for a wife in EE – learn the fucking language. No excuses.

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You mean those pretty EE girls don’t speak English!?

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Some do, some don’t. Those who don’t tend to be of significantly better quality as marriage material.

Of those who want to start a family at a normal age (~20 y.o.), nearly all don’t.

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I have said it before and people look at me like I am from Mars.
I would not marry a woman past her mid 20s because I want healthy children and one of a woman’s greatest assets is her youth.
Why should I be entitled to give the best years of my life (mid 30s to mid 50s) to a woman that has not given me the best years of her life (late teens to early 30s) to me?

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The men here have clearly misunderstood the purpose of Eastern Europe. The reason we go there is for high quality short-term-relationships in the FSU, and place-spinning pleasant girls in Poland, Czech etc.

We don’t go to these places to fucking marry. The girls are fine for the purposes stated above, but to suggest that you could make a Romanian girl the mother of your children is ridiculous. Romania is the number one country of origin for prostitutes the world over. These sexually liberal women are fine, even preferable when the intentions are not serious, but one should never make the leap to consider them adequate for long-term engagements.

It is also an error to beleive that just because a girl is from the countryside she will different. The girls in a village 100 miles from London are not less sluttier than the ones actually in London. The same applies in every other nation. Only serious geographical barriers can act as cultural barriers. Hence you see the cultural homogeneization of all EU countries. No geographical barrier means no cultural barrier, and there certainly isn’t any difference from a girl in a city and one 50km from that city.

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“No geographical barrier means no cultural barrier” is a pretty random statement. Languages and national history/culture play a big role in certain European countries (especially those with only 10 million people and a rich history). The only issue you seem to care about is sexual promiscuity. It’s not hard to find women in countries like Hungary that have had less than 3 sexual partners. That’s how it is if you date politically and socially conservative women, such as jobbik or fidesz supporters. Most of them are only looking for serious long-term relationships and you can verify how many men they talk to easily after a few dates. It’s quite refreshing checking their phones and seeing no other man besides me messaging them. Sounds like you just have a narrative in your head of all women being huge sluts and haven’t actually encountered conservative ones. There are plenty of sensible conservative women but I doubt you would be persuaded by even the most compelling evidence due to the hard-lined negative stance presented here. You seem pretty bitter and biased, but I guess there’s no way to change that.

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I believe that this is what Roosh thought about Poland before he got smacked over the face with reality.

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Why should I be obligated to give the best years of my life (mid 30s to mid 50s) to a woman that has not given me the best years of her life (late teens to early 30s) to me?

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“When I come home from work (at the cafe)”

LOL

Good list though I would definitely require a virgin … a couple prior cocks is a couple too many …

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So you like fat chicks?

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I like your Mom so I guess the answer is yes …

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Good luck.

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Gawd why did I have to be Black.
Now im never getting a husband sad

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I like how you took one man”s personal preference and ran it through the hamsterland.

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Agreed. People can’t have an opinion anymore? He’s screening a potential wife/mother of his future children not someone interviewing for a job. Talk about thin skin.

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You don’t like black men? Racist.

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I have met a couple successful white (and non-black) men that are married to high value black women.
This is Roosh’s list.

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You’re not into black men and white women? Homophobic waycease.

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Nah, chin up.

I dated a black girl, and if she hadn’t had that “strong independent, don’t need no man, black woman” attitude to her, things would have worked better.

Use your femine charms and respect the man you date, and you’ll do fine.

You may have to date outside your race though.

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A good list. It’s important to have high
standards otherwise you very quickly ran into an average women who cannot level
with you. It’s essential not to acquire a women of quality and not the usual
chicks make up the majority of the female.

From http://strategos-21.blogspot.com

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Roosh roosh roosh ..

#1 and #2 are issues ..

#1 18-25 yo … She will pine later in life for the carousel she missed, and the travel she did not do .. and she will blame you for her missing out. They just do this. They all fkn do this. Find a girl who’s 29, and beaten down by the world, and she will stick with you forever — partly to escape the carousel. Many times I have heard the 29-31 yo say “I’m so happy i got married. Now I don’t have to go out any more.”. Many better girls actually hate going to bars and clubs, they ride only a few social-circle cocks, and they prefer to be in one or two LTRs in their 20s before they marry. As for being too old to have a few kids. No. Up to 35 yo is fine these days for the last kid. Maybe up to 37 yo (if you still want to hit that). A word of good advice is to have the kids close together. Re-use all the baby toys and shit. Deal with sleepless nights with a crying infants in one block if possible. It’s a ball ache. But that’s the way it is. Better once than again and again spaced apart.

#2 Virgin / low notch count for her: This can be a big issue. This is the girl who feels entitled .. this is the girl who is a late bloomer … this is the girl who bangs the pool cleaning man later in life, just to know what it’s like. She undervalues a good man .. because she is unaware of how she would be treated by a bad man.

If you want to marry and / or have kids, the responsible reliable wifely woman is 29, lonely, has travelled (didn’t like it), has gone to nightclubs (didn’t like it), has a skilled job, but not an office, not a corporate job — she’s a dentist, a vet, a florist, a nurse. She’s banged a few guys who were introduced to her by friends, but got tired of it. Maybe a couple of LTRs. And she’s independent because she has interests, rather than a corporate career. Ideally she is an only child. They will cling to you for life.

—–

However, please remember:

The divorce industrial complex -is- the same as the child support industry.

Please google “Thomas Ball manifesto” for a great example of how the family court operates in practice. – http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=512 . This is a guy driven to self-immolation by the family court mechanisms. Similar mechanisms in nearly all anglo countries.

Have a kid anywhere (ex-middle-east), and she has you by the balls.

Thanks to laws written for gays… and now forced on hetero men… in many countries you don’t have to actually be married to have a divorce style financial settlement ass-reaming. “Living together” for a couple of years enacts the same laws. (The same “protections” for her).

Women with kids literally *get paid* to find another man.

But *when* they get fat, or insolent, you literally have to pay them to go away.

Then you’re back to approaching sluts .. but you’re older .. and you have zero money.

—–

I think the solution is to run a harem, and include one single mum .. whom you kind of use as a girlfriend. If she lets you get to know her kids, then that box is kind of ticked. You get to influence the lives of a a few young people — if that’s what you want. And, the beautiful part is, some other poor bastard of a guy is buying their meals, and paying their school fees. Also .. if / when you find this single mum to be annoying, or too fat, and you ditch her, you have had your time playing the role of a part-time step-dad, ticked that box, and you can leave without paying her a cent in child support. The richest and most financially care-free girls I’ve banged recently were single mums .. living in “his house”. Ideally: Be the new guy. Never be the sperm guy.

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“Find a girl who’s 29, and beaten down by the world, and she will stick with you forever — to escape the carousel.”

Wow. You have a long way to go my friend. Perhaps when life punches you across the jawline you may learn something.

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“Wow. You have a long way to go my friend. Perhaps when life punches you across the jawline you may learn something.”

Don’t try to court and marry those eighteen year old virgins, they might “pine later in life for the carousel she missed.”

Instead date those women who are “29, and beaten down by the world, and she will stick with you forever — to escape the carousel,” (every Beta male thinks this) and those single moms “whom you kind of use as a girlfriend. If she lets you get to know [and possibly fall in love with] her kids, then that box is kind of ticked. You get to influence the lives of a a few young people — if that’s what you want.”

Too clever by half.

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Thank you so much. We should keep in touch. It’s nice to meet someone like minded.

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I think he was joking.

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oh. my mistake. gosh, i feel ridiculed now. hopefully he will post more interesting items that we can all learn from.

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LOL!

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You’re right. I’d really like your tutoring. Do you run seminars?

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The only benefit here I see is there is something beneficial in her having dated some really shitty guys before because that will make her Disney Princess expectations a bit more reasonable. But there are problems with wifing up a used girl as well. I guess ideally she dated a loser in high school but never slept with him.

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I agree with this.

The “Disney Princess” idea that all virgin girls have is total poison to a LTR / Wife situation. They will divorce you eventually, for not being the Blue Prince.

She will expect the pedestal .. if you game her for years, of if you work like a beta bitch for her .. she will still eventually bang the pool guy, or literally run off with an outlaw biker.

Virgins are hard work. Exhausting … Slightly damaged women are the best.

If you’re a moderately nice guy to a damaged chick who wants kids, she will think you’re awesome.

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Yeah, good friend of mine married an American virgin, who spent many years abroad with her missionary parents, and she almost drove him to divorce her in the first year. Very demanding, unreasonable, argumentative, and doesn’t let him have his space. She never had any serious boyfriend before, and so she has nothing to compare him to but Hollywood and romance novels.

There’s a super hot early 20s fitness instructor I’ve been flirting with who has only had 1 boyfriend her whole life and is now single. I think she would try to suck me into relationship phase really quickly and she may even be a virgin. But she is pure American and pretty sure she would expect the pedestal and monopolize my time. My time is more valuable than any pussy.

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So bang her for a while .. and when she inevitably becomes whiney and bitchy .. say sayonara. If the pussy is there for the slaying .. you really have a responsibility to bang her. We are just men remember.

I’ve been through two LTRs with virgins .. (sluts in between), and married the second one, .. divorced her later .. and can say -never again-. You have to teach them everything. And of course, they give you little back. What you do get is a girl you can mould into what you want. But, as soon as they *imagine* their life should be better, you’re screwed.

Everything is about comparison.

If she has no knowledge of what a bad relationship is like, then she will not appreciate a good one.

In addition, inexperienced girls are highly susceptible to game from other guys. If another guy shoots reasonable game at her, you will always have to AMOG him .. she has never developed a bitch shield, because she has not experienced night clubs, and bars much.

Virgins / inexperienced girls are hard work. And when it goes wrong, or she becomes annoying, it’s twice as bad, because you know you are better than the the next guy she’s imagining.

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Very true words. Everything is about comparison. Doesn’t this explain why foreign women are much more feminine than Americunts? America used to have beautiful, feminine, loving women. Foreign women have a harder, more traditional, less decadent life, and are therefore superior feminine women. Also, cameljockey on here had a similar failed experience with marrying a virgin.

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On foreign women .. Actually there was a third virgin later, a foreigner. An 18 month relationship. I had presumed that the femininity I saw on the outside was true on the inside, but I think I was wrong. I was unsure then, and I’m still unsure now. She was 20 when I met her, but, as I began to know her a little better, that faded. There is a degree of acting — they’re tigers on the inside. The “true nature of women” article is a valid observation.

She was based in one of the more traditional south east asian countries, (not Thailand), where men are still men, and women have traditional household roles. They may work a little outside the home .. but kids and home come first. They put beauty above career, and have a focus on “looking after their man”, and keeping their family strong. #1 priority.

I had recently come out of a western marriage where we both earned about the same amount, me earning say 25% more than her .. professionals .. graduate degrees .. office jobs .. “equals”, we were always splitting bills. My money is mine. Hers is hers. Separate bank accounts.

The south east asian girl was different. Yes feminine. Yes quite beautiful — however, largely helpless. If you have a traditional woman, you are forced into the traditional male role. You actually are the bread winner .. and she consumes your bread .. with both hands. While this is not necessarily a bad thing, she can become somewhat of an albatross around your neck.

Traditional means responsibility. Traditional limits your choices as a man.

You actually have to live up the the old expectations of men. You have to affirm your commitment to her, and show that you do care .. (or at least pretend convincingly). You have to go along to family gatherings that are boring, and pay homage to her relatives whom you may not actually respect.

Yes femininity. But attached is tiresome traditional obligation.

The west is degenerate, and the women are on the whole vapid, tedious to spend time with — but as a man, you are largely free. Your responsibilities are small, and, most women can look after themselves…. There is little worry. If you are irritated by her, have to ditch her for your own well being, she will be fine. — Ditch a traditional girl, and her life may not be the same again. There is shame, and there is still labelling as “damaged goods”. The unwind of a traditional relationship is hard, if you have a shred of morality in you. She needs a man, for her to be a complete person socially, and economically. To leave her for your own reasons takes some courage, and can give you pause or thought.

You cannot leave her better than she was when you found her.

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Profound.

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Very interesting thoughts.. You clearly speak from experience. Like Roosh and a lot of men, I have in instinctual revulsion with the idea of long-terming or wifeying up a woman who’s had multiple other cocks.. but I think your advice about finding a slightly damaged woman who’s had some experience is solid. A woman like that is more likely to appreciate a guy who treats her halfway decent and keeps his word, like you described. Marrying a virgin female can be a disaster and difficult for many of the reasons you mentioned.. she will always feel like she has missed out on other “experiences” i.e., cocks, and I’ve heard many horror stories of virgin wives who went into full slut mode after a few years of marriage.

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“notch count” doesn’t matter for me
Just so long as she hasn’t 1.) done porn 2.) (has) an STD 3.) had some other mans kid through natural child birth.

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No, no, no!!!! Cock carouselers are intolerable. Any 29 yo who says “I’m tired of dating just to date” or “I drink a lot less than I used to” or any other “my-best-years-are-over-I-just-want-a-husband” praddle should be dropped like third period French.

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Please explain your reasoning.

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“My experience shows that a woman who doesn’t believe in god has a value system taught to her by corporations and progressive degenerates.”

This is a powerful insight. I think the best odds are girls from religious families, where the marriage is long and stable, and they go to church fairly regularly.

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BMI must be lower than 20 and her waist-hip ratio shall never be more than 0.7.

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If you think of how children affect the long term rather than the short term, the decision is obvious.

Infancy is rough but doesn’t last long. Decades of the most special of human relationships (parent and child) are granted after a few short months of work.

Besides, why let your genes fizzle out now? What a shitty time to disappear.

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Just for fun decided to see how my wife matches the criteria mentioned in the article:
1. She must be between 18-25 years old
“Well, my wife is in her late 30s, and we have 2 kids.”

2. She must have less than three prior sexual partners, though I prefer a virgin
“I’ve never really asked her about how many partners she’d had.”

3. Her physical attractiveness should hover around the 7 range
“My wife is a fitness instructor herself. ”

4. Her skin tone should be within two shades of myself
“She’s tanned and well taken care of ”

5. She must be feminine
“She sure knows how to dress properly, wear make up, have an own opinion.”

6. She must want to be a traditional stay-at-home mother
“Nope. We both work and share responsibilities at home.”

7. She must believe in a god
“she does”.

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Is she Canadian or American?

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That dude lives in South West Ukraine.

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Yup, correct.

FormrCanadian
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My wife is 50% Russian and 50% Ukrainian;)

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Very good sir.

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Hello former Canadian. Current Canadian here. Do you mind if I ask where did you meet your wife? In Russia or Ukraine? It sounds like you have a pretty Westernized, feminist view when it comes to what you want in a wife and marriage.. so I’m not sure why you couldn’t have met such a woman here in Canada.

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You share homemaking responsibilities? To the curb she goes!

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Yes, we DO share homemaking responsibilities;) Ain’t nothing bad in it. We’ve been doing that for over 7 years now and still going strong;)

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Sounds like… An equal household… Equality… You mean to say that you see each other as equals? Maybe you wouldn’t have to help your poor woman if she didn’t work in the first place……..As it is meant to be. #BringBackThePatriarchy

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7. She must believe in a god

I’ve reluctantly come around to agreeing that women need religious beliefs to help keep them in line, especially because atheists in general have adopted feminism as the “rational” philosophy about women. I have yet to meet a female atheist who displays what I would consider good emotional health and a sensible outlook on the relationship between the sexes.

If you think about it, we lost something when we secularized sexual relationships. In a traditional Christian culture, the girls could reject the advances of the sexually yucky men by saying that god forbids fornication. This deflected attention away from the real reason, and it had the effect of sparing the rejects’ feelings. The rejects wanted to obey god as well, and they could maintain the illusion that a god loves them regardless, even if women don’t.

Now women can give more or less the real reason for rejection: You don’t make me wet, so go away and leave me alone. The secular man who receives scores of such rejections must wind up feeling really bad about himself eventually. When you abandon imaginary religious reasons for living, that leaves material ones grounded in biology. Deprive a young man of the possibility of having a sex life, and what does he have left? No wonder one of these rejects goes on a murder rampage every few months.

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The atheism thing is a furphy. Left wingers, which essentially includes feminists and those in the grievance industry certainly have very crazy attitudes that are anti family. There are conservative women that simply are not religious because they are either to intelligent to believe that nonsense but are still dedicated to make a marriage work.

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Yes, at least among western atheists. Most atheists actually live in East Asia, amongst the Confucian cultures of China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam and Taiwan. These cultures mix atheism along with conservative social values and gender roles.

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Roosh you’ll look back on your life with regret, first of all for not realizing that you’re past your reproductive fitness peak same as women your age. Also that you are scared of women, scared of intimacy, scared of a little power “exchange” with women who possess power as well, and compliment one another’s weak and strong suits. Children you have will grow up in a dictatorial dogmatic household, and be sterile and nearly soulless and will contribute to the collapse of the moral fiber and family structure of the world.

Part of love is struggle, learning, discovery, vulnerability…you seek to have delivered to you a custom girl with all the sides and fixins’ then on top of that not to be too great as to damage your fragile insecure ego. trust me I took down 150+ women in my peak time which is long past; I wasn’t afraid to cry and be the fool at times and be human….

I wonder how many men have already been spiritually sterilized by your ideologies…

I do like reading you, but it’s a more and more slippery slope from Rooshv to Martin Burney…

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There is no moral fiber in the west. what are you worried about.

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lol men and women are not biologically identical. men can have kids well into their 40s. women carry a lot of risk having kids after 35.

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40s? Men can do it into their late 50s or beyond if need be. Although I don’t wanna be a pensioner going to my son’s high school graduation.

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Too busy fault-finding women to realize that men’s DNA erodes over time too, fertility declines, quality declines, and genetic defects increase….its just NOT all about us men all the time, irrefutable truth.

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My mom had twins at 42. No problem.
This whole concept is an old theory. Look around the world, population ain’t a real issue, eh?

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You should’ve hung on to Anna.

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don’t kid yourself, good girls are attracted to players and badboys.
that’s game101. their attraction to you will override any logical reasons you mention.

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That’s 2005 PUA hype talk. Good girls raised in a traditional, religious culture and importantly, with a strong patriarch in their life are not chasing bad boys. They want a man their father and social circle would approve of. This still does exist in the West, but only amongst the upper crust, think British or New England or post-Antebellum old money families, or the very actively religious(like Mormons). It’s typically damaged women raised by single mothers that are most likely to be like this. A woman doesn’t want a man that’s a complete limp wrist, but that doesn’t mean she wants a lifelong playa either. It’s not one extreme or the other.

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exactly. Girls from stable nuclear families pick decent men. We are mistaking girls from broken homes as the default. PUA culture spends an inordinate amount of time trying to game girls from broken homes. This is a losing battle. Its like night and day between dating girls from stable homes vs non stable homes.

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But let’s not forget the universal truths about all women. regardless of attitude (bad boy etc.), it’s your behaviour that accounts for a lot of her attraction for you. Think of CH’s 16 commandments of poon.

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For every globe trotting dreamer there is ten thousand dudes who spent years on the couch.
Roosh will be fine.

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“Problem is, wanting a girl who is morally traditional and a believer in
god, yet who will overlook the decade you spent wandering the planet
living a lascivious lifestyle”

Even if the girl is willing to overlook it, her parents will not be. And the kind of girl Roosh wants will accept her parents’ decision on an issue like this. I would guess Roosh has very little experience with truly traditional girls. They don’t go to bars or clubs often, and they don’t react positively to a strange man approaching them on the street.

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Looking at this list you plan on being childless. Use a surrogate. Buy an egg from a woman that is your type and have a child on your own. Hire a nanny and have a career tat allows you time. Hate to see another man fall for the baby rabies and stick himself with some worthless cunt so he can have children

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Do you fulfill their requirements and those of their families? What about her father?

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That’s what I posted above. The kind of girl Roosh wants will defer to her parents’ advice. And once her parents learn who he is, they will reject him very quickly.

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The only women who even come close to meeting that are the Duggar girls, and they’re not looking to marry a player who is 10+ years older than them. Not to mention there is no way in hell you’d ever be able to get the approval of the families of these girls. I guess you could always try to marry a female refugee….

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if you hung around a church and socialized with the community you could date the younger women. Women are attracted to any man with proper game, as proper ‘game’ isn’t anything more than being well socialized and a high value man.

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Great list Roosh. I wish you the best with whichever path you choose.

Being a few years older than you, I was at that fork in the road: “Take the plunge and have kid(s) or not.” I chose not to. I occasionally get the urge, but looking around at the world in general, it’s going to get worse before it gets better – do I want to have my kids go through that? I don’t.

It’ll be interesting to see which path you take.

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I am at that fork too.
I was born/raised in a nuclear family; and I want the same for my future children and grandchildren.
America has gone to the dogs! In many parts of the US divorce and single parent families are considered normal while the nuclear family is viewed as obscene.
I have come to the conclusion that my future wife (and mother of my children) will not be an American.

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If you have a sibling who marries, having a neice or nephew takes away the vast majority of that urge, I’ve found.

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Also I have to agree. The biggest impediment to me having kids is not wanting to raise them in this shitty world we live in. Plus, what if they turned out blue pill? haha

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The high value man is not the one who has a lot of sexual partners- I don’t know where people get that from. The high value man is the one with morals. He should have life experience, not sexual experience. All past sexual experience is technically wasted time and irrelevant when it comes to a serious relationship. You will have to pretend it didn’t happen. As a result, the woman will doubt that you have real life experience. What hypocrisy to expect a woman with morals when you don’t have morals yourself. Over the years, her will power and inner strength will have become stronger, while yours is weak because you gave into temptation. Any woman with morals will see this weakness, and weakness in a man is not attractive.

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It’s not really an issue for men to cheat. As long as no one finds out. For women, on the other hand, having high notch counts is something they are not likely to recover from. Men and women are different. It isn’t a hypocrisy. Oh, you wouldn’t understand, seeing as you’re likely a Latin American female. If you’re not female, then you need to understand a few things. A good start is the entire rooshv.com archives grin

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I agree that we are different and that having multiple partners is psychologically more damaging for women, but can you really say betrayal has no effect on the man? Won’t cheating eventually give him the itch to divorce?

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Precisely, different in many ways, including emotionally. A man can usually control his emotions. Of course, if there is no incentive to cheat (he is satisfied with his wife in bed) and she’s is highly attractive and doesn’t feel like variety, then I guess he won’t cheat. But by nature men aren’t usually monogamous. A man will do whatever he feels like doing. Morals and hypocrisies aren’t part of the question.

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In your view, then, there is nothing morally wrong with cheating?

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Not if its a man fucking around. Lying, cheating, maybe taking home an StD to your wife. .. That’s all fine- if you are a man- in Elhombres world. But if a woman does it… Well she is a whore. Most men are not Elhombre, thank goodness.

Cheating is never moral. Period. Forgivable yes. But please let’s hold people accountable and stop excusing them based on their gender. This goes for both sexes btw. Womens’ wayward behavior is also pardoned all too easily as well. That’s another topic, however..

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Saying ‘it is okay to cheat’ is the same logic behind the obesity problem. it is like saying ‘I like fattening foods, and I am naturally drawn to fattening foods, so it is morally good that I should eat as much as I want.’

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A cheating husband might divorce his wife but a cheating wife will divorce her husband. Men are usually driven to divorce their wives for other reasons, not just the sex…it’s probably the nagging.

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Cheating is like a drug in the sense that once you break that barrier the first time it gets easier and easier to keep doing it. And it’s not like infidelity is satiable. You won’t do it one time and be satisfied. You’ll likely want to keep doing it again and again as long as you don’t get caught. Then you risk destroying your family and your kids and assets being taken away in a divorce.

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“Then you risk destroying your family and your kids and assets being taken away in a divorce.”
Not for the neomasculine man. I assume you’re referring to the West here. He wouldn’t marry in this type of environment and risk getting divorce raped. He wouldn’t marry a women from this kind of society. He wouldn’t even choose to REMAIN there.

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Divorce can happen anywhere. Russian women seem to be paraded around these parts as perfect women for some reason, but the divorce rate in Russia is pretty high.

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I am not claiming married men should cheat…but which scenario is more damaging to the marriage and family structure?
The married man with 3 kids and a housewife that has sex with another woman once or twice a year…or the housewife that has sex with another man once or twice a year?
Everyone (male and female) knows deep down inside which one is more treacherous.

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According to this logic, the only thing that wouldn’t be damaging is for the married man to go have sex with another man. whether it is the housewife or the ‘other woman,’ in either scenario a woman is being damaged.

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The degree of damage is much different. One scenario can be repaired more easily than the other. A man that is always faithful to a good wife should be applauded but anyone that knows about human nature knows which scenario requires more restraint. The man that does not cheat on his wife is practicing more self-control than the woman that does not cheat on her husband because he is reigning in his biological and masculine nature.

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So what can a woman do to keep him loyal despite this natural inclination of men? As decades go her beauty and youth will fade. It seems the best option is to have children young so that when the husband is older and sees young attractive women, he will see them more as daughters than as potential mates.

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Roosh, just ask your father for a virgin wife from Iran who lives somewhere in the mountains, was raised by her parents to become a housewife and has only seen a few hours of Western media at best. You proposed this a few times in your books/articles and I honestly think it’s your best bet. They can easily fit all the requirements you have listed. The only problem will be the language, cultural and visa barrier, but that’s fixable.

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I work with a programmer who is from Iran. since the sanctions were lifted he said I could go visit there if I wanted.
If you don’t have a connection, the Iran government forces you to stick to an itinerary with guided tours, so you’d be really limited to where you could go.
My friend is from there so I’ll be able to go a lot more places…I’m curious how the women will be there.

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There are dating services to meet girls from towns in Russia. There’s a website where a few guys chronicled their experiences dating a bunch of these girls are then moving into marriage. You’re still gonna need game because women are women but at least these girls have the potential to have not been ruined by status whoring and feminism, yet.

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Email me link
[email protected]

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Done

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>dating services
>to meet girls from towns
Pick one.

Traditionally valued “girls from towns” don’t use “dating services”. At all. They acquire hubbies by social circles, most often through family connections. If any of these girls would use a dating service, that would be a red flag. Especially because these dating services are not pro bono and somewhere down the line financial compensation is given to the executor of that service.

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saw a documentry of of flase marriages an they showed this iranian guy talking about how his bride from iran double cross him haning out with her bf in canada…the rest of the 58 mins was focused on 2 white women with black and arab men

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Sounds reasonable. But then again, I share your worldview and beliefs.

Anyone who identifies even slightly as “liberal” or “feminist” would feel instantly offended at the title’s suggestion…that you have “requirements” a woman must meet.

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Your list would have been completely normal 100 years ago. Unfortunately, now our society is so fucked up that women worth marrying are very hard to find.

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It can’t be THAT hard to live in Russia. They have most modern conveniences, especially in their larger cities.

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It will be hard for anyone that has to actually work there. Ideally you want to be retired or semi retired if you want to live in EE

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I’m atheist and I agree with the God part. It’s not a fool proof thing obviously but your chances of a stable marriage are better, although you might have other issues like her becoming a fanatic later or going to church and meeting other women in the West that corrupt her and actively tell her to cheat on you.

Another important issue that roosh didn’t touch upon is whether you will bring your future wife to the West. If not, what kind of arrangements are there?

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I don’t believe in God – honestly it sounds a bit far fetched – but I really like the values of Christianity, especially thinking of others and random acts of kindness. You don’t see that too much in the modern world

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Roosh if she’s going to be a stay at home mum then her social media usage will reach never before seen levels. Your doomed mate.

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I’m looking for the path with the least amount of doom.

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Great article Roosh!
Everyman should know what he wants.
For me #5, #6, and #7 are essential…if those are not going to be met, then I am not going to marry the woman.

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#1 is the hardest these days in the USA. Young women just don’t want to get married or have serious LTR until they are done with their “fun”.

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I have re-read Roosh’s post, and I don’t see him saying he wants to MARRY this woman, just that he wants her to be the mother of his children, lover, and housekeeper. In fact, he explicitly states that “state sanctioned marriage” is not necessarily in the cards.

That being said, if I had a daughter who fit these parameters, I would want the best for her, and being a concubine would not be it. Call me old fashioned.

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A great read!!! Im in my mid to late 30s where i stopped haven’t anything to do with westernised women when i was 30 and only bother with eastern women. Its amazing how much “BETTER” life is when you only date eastern women.

One thing i notice, globalisation has spread the feminist poison to the east due to the internet. The younger generation is starting to be corrupted by it where i notice most of the damage is in major cities where women are going to university. I find its best to head a little out into the country where its traditional (family oriented).

Since 2000 the divorce rate has doubled in nearly every country on the planet. From 10-15 in the east to 20-30. The west its about 60-80% where 70-80% of divorces are issued by the woman. No wonder why 80% of sucidals are by men in the West where half are due to relationship breakups. Family court = raped then the death penalty!

Reading newspapers in the East, its double cause women are working now as well as due to social media. Facebook breaks up 50% of relationships.

As above for a relationship to last… she also has to have very limited of time on social media and isn’t “PRIMARY” career focus otherwise your relationship is doomed!

http://www.returnofkings.com/22358/10-reasons-why-foreign-women-are-better-than-american-women

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Funny you should post a photo of the Duggars, the fertile white family America’s atheists and other secular decadents like to beat up on.

Well, I don’t feel hostile towards them, despite their widely publicized problems. My mother and sister Michele live in Springdale, Arkansas. Michele cashiers at a Walmart there, and she has told me that members of the Duggar family have passed through her checkout line. Usually the older sisters who can drive bring along some of their younger siblings to the store. The younger Duggar boys stare goggle-eyed at the scantily clad women you can see at a Walmart in the Ozarks, unlike the modestly dressed girls and women in their family and church. Mom and Michele apparently admire and respect the Duggars for their conservative lifestyle, despite having a secular outlook themselves.

And I feel inclined to respect them as well. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar have inadvertently played a demographic long game here: Barring a catastrophe, they will have descendants in the 22nd Century, while most of her critics won’t, especially those sterile feminist broads sitting alone in their apartments with their cats.

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Not everyone wants kids & frankly, not everyone should have them.
I will never understand these men that think about some sort of legacy that “spreading their seed” has made for them. Because after all, that thought is only an Earthly thing while you’re living.

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Man you’re pretty mellow for an athiest. You’re about as athiest as Obama is black. Just saying. But it’s cool. Jim Bob deals used cars. I bet a lot of people buy a car from him just to have his dealership logo on the back.

The Duggars have primarily the chemistry for the extreme baby machine. They’re the less than 1%’ers or rather the 99.9%’ers. They could have cut off the machine at 3 or 5 but Michelle with her convictions won’t gripe about having MORE time or MORE disposable income. It’s doubtful she could have reached 19 with another man out of 1000 so it’s part chemistry between them and Michelle has some prize traits of her own, top dollar traits like that of a giant award winning 4H pumpkin where the seeds go for a premium. She’s proven blue ribbon stock in other words.

At least one or two of her daughters will posess the ‘big mama’ trait. In large families, at least one daughter always carries after her mom and the rest are in between (2-6 children) and finally one having an only child or being a ‘dry hen’. That’s commonly the spread with the trad unrestricted (baker’s dozen) litters of the 19th century. Whoever guy plucks the ‘big mama’ Duggar daughter had better be ready. I’ll put money it’s the one who can sew (knit) the fastest. I can’t fully explain the connection, but there’s a ‘big mama’ sewing link that exists.

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Wow… Roosh you have high standards. But I guess that as a man grows older he becomes more selective. I think I’ll mirror your path, the only difference is that I can never see myself moving to a 3rd world country to live in. I think that a man on his prime should try to become powerful and wealthy. Since, I like the hustle I am planning on trying to be successful here.

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Exactly. Travel lot bro

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This is the girl I married… for over 25 years. High school sweetheart, virgin, faithful, Christian, domesticated (as much as can be expected in America), etc. We had two great kids that are now grown and on their own.

Things change, or sometimes don’t change as needed. She’s American, grew up American, and is about as far away form feminist as you can get, but not feminine either, as least not any longer. The years have taken her toll on her weight and appearance, and she’s never found the motivation to change that, even for me. The changes, or lack of changes prompted me to end it before making it to 30 years of marriage.

If my ex wasn’t good enough forever material, than I don’t know where you’re going to find it. We can have our lists, and I had mine when I was 17. But good luck finding a girl that not only meets the criteria, but will continue to work hard to meet your criteria in the future.

Marriage is, at best, a huge risk.

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wow, that was heavy, man.

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how can men expect a woman to change the effect that TIME has on her? isn’t that impossible to expect? all women lose their beauty.

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Yes, and no. There is a baseline of beauty — some external, much more internal — that they can grow in as they age. The problem in the west is that rampant feminism gives women a license to get fat, lazy, self-centered, mean, bitter and unfaithful to their marriage vows, while men are held accountable for their failures as they age. It’s all about the woman, and it’s all the fault of the man and our patriarchal society for her failures, her fat, her unkempt appearance, etc, etc, etc. Women can work to minimize the affects of age mostly by maintaining their health through controlling their diet, regular exercise and working to dress and look good for their men. Sadly, this is not generally done in the west anymore.

Yes, a woman’s physical beauty fades with age. But aging women of the past made themselves more beautiful in other ways to compensate. They call it aging gracefully. They can become better, more feminine, more mature women that can nurture the next generations and train the younger women how to catch and keep their men. But, my experience with middle age women who are well over the wall is that they seem to be almost as immature and self-centered as the girls half their age. It’s all about them, all the time. They have lost the ability to age gracefully and take care of the dwindling pool of men that will date, much less marry a wall banger.

You my friend, I’m afraid, are on the track to settle for what a women say is beautiful. Remember, women are coming up with all kinds of stupidity like 50 is the new 40, bbw’s are beautiful, selecting young beautiful girls over old fat ones is both age discrimination and fat shaming — both crimes in their view, and you must accept all manners of mental and physical disease women carry around as you, the patriarchal male, are the cause of said maladies in the first place. Women spew the bullshit notion of unconditional love, yet will divorce you and take more than half your shit and kids and ruin you life simply because they are bored and not having their needs met. They are entitled to these things even MORE as they age because they’ve done the time in the female’s world and man must compensate her for her experience, which is nothing more than age, and what she is deluded into thinking she brings to the world through her meaningless career, meaningless posessions and meaningless ideals.

I’m an old fart in the context of this site’s demo, and have much more experience in what a woman can and should be as they age. My expectations are based in tradition and what works rather than the feminist empowerment meme de’jour.

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Your words really remind me of my parents. My mom is past the demographic of feminism, but it makes me sad that my father has been the sole provider, and he also cooks, cleans, and does the shopping for her while she does nothing. There is no way I can convince her that she should put any effort into the relationship, and if I try to, she shuts me out. I don’t get it, he’s such a nice guy to her. Love has to be expressed through ongoing action.

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I don’t get it, he’s such a nice guy to her. Love has to be expressed through ongoing action.

BINGO!

Show me a modern American woman who expressed love in anything other than a constant reminder to her man that he’s not doing enough to keep her “happy”, (ie over-fed, over-spent, and over-entertained)

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I don’t even know if we can blame this on ‘feminism’ either because it has affected women who grew up before all of that even started.

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Wow, just read this. I’ll bingo that again. Your dad sounds like a reliable strong guy. He’s taxed with a couch potato like her but she’s all that he has sadly. She sounds medical, like she needs some ass kicking diet pills. I won’t say she’s dumb, but probably eats a dumb diet if left to her own choices. She needs vit B for BRAINPOWER like fresh broccoli. There’s also ways to break a gal like that to being tolerant of cohabitating with an added common law woman or helper. He’d be freed up significantly but some unstable women are volatile even upon the mention of even bringing in a paid maid unless she’s some unattractive fat elderly lady who speaks no english. A jealous bitch will scheme or do something to hurt the girl if dad hires a sexy maid/cook with bunny ears if you know what I mean.

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When they are 60+ I don’t know if anything will change, they are almost elderly. In one sense they are lucky to have each other and its rare to find a elderly couple still married who can at least get along pleasantly, so I don’t know how much one can expect.

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I resemble this.

By 8 years and 1 kid, the degree of weight-and-whining exceeded my threshold of tolerance.

My solution was to jump ship — and donate a little over half my assets to her .. and giving the rest of my life savings to the legal industry .. putting me at $0 .. and paying about $700 / week in child support ($1,400 before tax).

Women will never change once they are on the slippery slope to physical disrepair.

When they no longer “take pride in their appearance”, irrespective of age .. it starts to feel like you’re trapped, living with an asexual roommate, whom you really don’t like.

My solution, after losing 15 years of savings, has been to keep turning girls over. Run two or three at a time, and typically keep them for 3-6 months where possible.

I’m unsure how sustainable this will be as I age (I am the same age as Roosh).

I suspect it will degenerate to include occasional hookers to fill dry spells, once I hit the man-wall.

That’s just how it is.

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I can’t believe a woman won’t change even when they know the man might leave/will leave. It is in HER best interest to please her man.

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Above is an example of “logical man-thinking” — and it is correct. It is in her and her child’s interest to keep the man. Women in 1950s America understood this, and acted accordingly.

But these are modern women.

They will burn it all down, rather than change themselves for him.

Everything is about them. They can do no wrong.

If she gets fat/whiney and he leaves .. there will be a thousand friends and support groups to help her, and to validate her (unattractive) behaviour.

There are a thousand lawyers lined up, ready to work pro bono to help her cripple her man financially.

She pays nothing. He has his wealth destroyed. She receives pennies on the dollar -after legal fees-.

*Women are either at your feet or at your throat*

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Geez you make the attornies sound like legally licenced hit men. Well they are appearantly. What o what would it take and what conditions would have to prevail for the divorce rape industry to finally fold? Is the divorce rape establishment immune to recourse? Are their practitioners hiding offshore? They never step foreward in public, only through safe tunnels or arriving behind tinted glass do they magically appear like jack in the box heads in the courtrooms. They never want to share a cigarette and talk face to face in the parking lot do they?

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It is what it is.

The primary recourse for men is to:

#1 not marry
#2 not to co-habbit for > 2 years (similar laws)
#3 not have biological children

All of these things put any wealth you have at risk, and steal your future earnings.

Just do not participate — Go on strike.

If you like kids, and want to make an impact in young peoples minds (to pass on your memes) .. become a part time teacher of some sort.

Unfortunately, in my view, the current legal environment is anti-family.

It is anti-LTR.

It is 100% pro-sterility.

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This list is spot on. The only thing I would add is the girl should have grown up in a low to middle class society. Or have known some poverty or challenge in life.

1) A girl who has struggled or had to handle a balance of needs versus desires is more appreciative, more reliant on cooking for meals versus eating at restaurants, and will understand and appreciate what the man is doing for her every day, as opposed to just expecting that a nice modern living space with HDTV, queen size bed, and a perfect 69 degree temperature to be the bare minimum living standard for her. She will recognize it actually takes a man sacrificing his time and labor in order to provide a basic living space, and it requires an even greater sacrifice for him to afford luxuries.

2) In America, women are almost universally given cars as teenagers, that are better than any I have ever driven, despite the fact I earn in the top 25 percentile of salaries. A woman from a culture who has never owned a car will be incredibly appreciative of any vehicle you lend or give her.

3) She will be closer with her family and will be able to bond more readily with you. Instead of just seeing you as a bed buddy and someone to go do things with, she will view you as a true partner, someone she adores and looks up to, and is the leader of her family, family being the center of her universe.

4) She will appreciate the small things in life. When I have dated latin American girls, their faces will light up if I come home with a delicious fresh passion fruit or avocado, or other local fresh food. They will smile and get excited over such a basic purchase, because it is delicious, fresh, healthy, and they genuinely enjoy it. Often they will run to the kitchen to prepare a dish for me. Compared to a fat entitled Americunt who whines at you for not buying her another pound of ice cream.

5) Girls who have less money are less motivated by money. What do most Americunts say is important to them? Their career. While all women love shiny objects and pretty dresses, the poorer girls I have known are far less materialistic.

6) Some level of poverty (I’m not talking Ethiopian level here) reinforces each of the points in the article: (a) fewer sexual partners, primarily because without her own vehicle and living at home with parents, she is less able to go shacking up with guys on fuckathons, or take exotic vacations and be railed by foreign guys (b) attractiveness around a 7–you get to see her in natural beauty because she can’t afford the caked on makeup, (c) she will be feminine and won’t have the time and money to waste on debating tranny rights or leading rape culture protests because she doesn’t have the time for such idle pursuits; further finding a man is of utmost importance during her years when SMV is the highest so she will likely be (d) 18-25, and (e) the poor are much more likely to believe in a god.

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Great post. Totally agree.

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I have no personal experience with Latinas but maybe you see the same thing I see in Chinese girls: they are not gold diggers but rather they want a base level of financial security from their man, something I consider completely appropriate. American women just seem to want “stuff”: bigger house, flashier car, better clothes, luxurious vacations and such.

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Absolutely. Although it kind of blew my mind the first time one was balking about coming to the states… Wait, you don’t want to come up to the land of freedumb and wealth? Oh no, she said, America is corrupt and degenerate. The one I am currently talking to doesn’t even want a wealthy man, even talks about some of the problems excess wealth causes, just wants a provider.
If you actually sit down and talk to the “illegals” many of them have told me they have no intention on staying here, they want to work for about a decade, sending their money home, and then getting the hell outta here and back to their traditional family life in their home country.

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Any thoughts on best places to live to raise a family if you’re going to live in the USA? Maybe the Colorado countryside ( or any area in the country)? Or a suburban neighborhood? Or a smaller town?

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I live in the Colorado countryside. It’s very expensive & kids will grow-up around legal Marijuana in an extremely liberal environment. Lots of hippies. High taxes. ect, ect…

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8. She doesn’t have or want any gay male friends, because gay men encourage their fag hags to keep making bad choices in life.

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#5 is most important to me personally. #4 & #7 was a bit of a shocker to read from you, Roosh.
…#8 = must have a C-Section…. wink

Also, aren’t the passport laws the same in Poland & Ukraine (90 days within 180 days?) I would just rotate. (I liked both countries.)
I would just rotate. 3 months in Romania, 3 in Finland, 3 in Poland & 3 in Ukraine (June, July, August in Ukraine)

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1. Yes, visa regulations are the same for Poland and Ukraine, one can spend 90 days out of 180 in each country. You CAN rotate.

2. But you can NOT do the “3 months in Romania, 3 in Finland, 3 in Poland & 3 in Ukraine” thing. Romania, Finland and Poland are all members of the EU and Schengen treaty and you can ONLY spend 90 days out of 180 in the WHOLE Schengen zone (doesn’t matter which country/countries) thus eliminating an option to spend 3 months in Romania, Finland and Poland consequently.
Feel free to ask me if you have any questions!

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Thanks man. I was unaware of that. I usually just go over there for 6 weeks a year. Good to know & makes sense.

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Hi TyKo,
What one should do is Jun-Jul-Aug in Ukraine, Sep-Oct-Nov in Schengen country (Romania, Poland, Finland), Dec-Jan-Feb somewhere warm (Mexico Thailand etc), Mar-Apr-May in Schengen country again then back to Ukr for summer.

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A reasonably attractive, feminine and submissive woman is all I ask for.

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Don’t know why you exclude all Indians? Most of the time when Indians have kids with a white person the kids look white(not that you’re white but you seem to think you are), pic related.
From an anthropological/genetic standpoint Indians are quite similar to Armenians and Persians.

However most Indian girls have absolute shit personalities so it’d be wise to avoid them for that reason.
Though I guess I can see why since you seem to have a personal vendetta against them after the IRT nonsense.

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agreed on last half but not the first.
I got plenty of cousins that are half white but all have dark hair and skin met other indians like that too.
white features are recessive. Its super rare for the fair part to come out and even then they get darker with age.

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Hi guys, first time commenter – I’ve been reading Roosh for several months now.

I’ve lived my whole life in the West (Australia and NZ – go the mighty All Blacks!), but I’m a rare breed. You call us unicorns, I prefer to call us black swans…..
I’m the eldest of 10 kids, my parents have been married 22 years, I’ve been homeschooled most of my life, and we are a conservative Christian family. By that I mean we rest on Sabbath and wear skirts mostly, but don’t wear head coverings, and my sister and I work outside the home.

I chose to jump in on this post to basically corroborate what others have said regarding Roosh’s chances of getting a girl that meets all 7 points.
Speaking for myself, there are 2 big reasons I would never date an ex-PUA.

Firstly, the moral code that makes me committed to staying home, remaining a virgin till marriage, submitting to my husband’s leading, and refusing to consider divorce as an option (the Bible gives no right of divorce to women)…..is the same moral code that makes me refuse to settle for anything less than a man who shares my faith.

Now, you might say that doesn’t count, for one reason or another. OK, maybe your future wife is willing to overlook your premarital formication. But if she doesn’t judge your deviance from her moral code (you said you wanted a woman of faith), she won’t judge her own deviance from it either…..be it divorce, adultery, lying, laziness, complaining spirit, etc etc.

Secondly, the age gap. I won’t even go out with a Christian guy more than 10 years older than me. Let’s say I marry a man 10 years older (my upper limit). That gives me around 15 years of widowhood, on average.
If I married a man 15 years older, and had my last child at 40, he’ll be 76 on their 21st birthday, and I’ll only be 61. I don’t want to raise a houseful of teens by myself – kids need their fathers, and preferably the younger model of him. My dad’s in his early fifties, and while he can still wrestle some with my brothers, he’s going to be 71 when my baby sister is my age.

I’m not an exact match for Roosh’s 7 requirements, so perhaps my POV is irrelevant……I’m quite fair (what are eyebrows??), and I’m probably a 6/10 in terms of face, though I do have a perfect 0.7 waist to hip. Baby making hips are obviously hereditary, lol. And I’ll go one better on the stay at home deal – I want to homeschool my kids, at least till junior high.

I’d take the mid-to-late twenties guy with integrity (and point him towards Dalrock et al if he’s interested) than take the thirty something year old on the rebound from the “if it feels good, do it” lifestyle any day of the week smile

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Lol, the obsession with Russians and Ukrainians. They are hot and feminine but
Dude, Russia and Ukraine are not good places for to find a good wife, but they make decent girlfriends. The divorce rate is off the roof(I know some people report it is the men initiating divorce). Abortion extremely prevalent.
They are less slutty than Americans, they start fucking early. One statistics in Moscow shown 50% of Russian girls starting fucking around 9th grade. 0 out over 600 girls that were 17 or older were virgins, fucking zero! http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/40-percent-of-russian-girls-lose-virginity-before-reaching-age-of-consent/500938.html
If u go on a Russian forum for girls, a lot of chicks had over 15-20 by age 21, but luckily plenty had less than 3. Lol the first post was over a100 guys at age of 21.

They are family oriented but a lot of they are materialistic and hypergamous as hell. A lot of them are crafty and try hard to get please u to get married to her. They say they are religious. but a lot of them don’t read the bible or go to bible. Having a friend introducing u or some of connection helps.
U shouldn’t take her out of the country. Seriously the only hope for a good wife is a real Muslim girl or super religious rural western girl. U are better off marrying a Muslim Uzbek than a Russian.

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Central Asia likely provides the best balance for men who are not willing to immerse themselves into hardcore Islam. Best option is Tajikistan, one of the lowest divorce rates in the world, you will be the highest-value men she could ever hope for, and traditionalism to the core.

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I had an Uzbek friend in Russia, he told me to visit Uzbekistan and there were good girls including not Muslims. Uzbeks and central Asians are less orthodox but still traditional. It is cheap in Uzbekistan too but the girls look more asian, however still beautiful

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All completely sensible and nonobjectionable qualities to have in a woman that you want to be your child’s mother. I’d have a similar list

Question, roosh do you believe in God? Or is it more that women tend to be less morally bankrupt if they have some fear of shaming via having religious values

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“In the case I want to have more than two kids,…”
A suggestion:
The language we use is more important in the formation of our thoughts than most of us realize, and too much of our language has been a contagion we have contracted from modern, degenerative society. I think it is time we men make a deliberate and concerted effort to not use the word “kids” when referring to our CHILDREN. Think about what you are literally saying when you call your child a “kid.” My child is NOT a baby goat. Let the rest of degenerate society call their children that. When it comes to our own families, we really should do better than that.
And if you think I am nitpicking, then what that says to me is that you have not read enough Orwell.

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Good point about not calling your children ‘kids’. I didn’t marry a GOAT. Who the hell started calling our children GOATS in the first place? Is there any history of the term being used? I’ve always been curious who started that and when.

Sites like this are a spawning ground for new words, terms and their usage. The ‘manosphere’ has been described by observers as being laced with unfamiliar terms and coined words. Non manospherians have to learn our language just to converse here. I compare the language to being as full of ‘inside’ words and phrases as much as a Scientology book where you have to go to the glossary every other sentence just to follow. We should be mindful to keep our new language and words masculine and patriarchal. The GREAT MANBALL advances with words and ideas as it snowballs and rolls foreward.