It’s common in these parts to make fun of women for having a delusional shopping list when seeking out a mate, but is it possible that our lists for finding women are also unreasonable? I asked myself this question while constructing a list of requirements I need in a woman who I think would be suitable for reproduction (and not necessarily state-sanctioned marriage). I ask you, dear reader, if my list is as deranged as that of a woman’s.

The following is what I require in a woman for a long-term relationship that involves having children:

1. She must be between 18-25 years old

In the case I want to have more than two kids, I need to find a woman who is substantially younger than myself so she is biologically able to keep popping them out. This requirement also accounts for the fact that single women over 25 are emotionally damaged in some way, are alpha widowed, or are professional daters who are incapable of making the proper relationship sacrifices.

2. She must have less than three prior sexual partners, though I prefer a virgin

Studies show that the more sexual partners a woman has before marriage, the more likely that marriage will fail. I also don’t want to marry a woman who has voluntarily accepted being used as a cum dumpster by other men, or who kisses my child with lips that have been previously wrapped around many other cocks. My child will not have a “reformed” slut mother.

For a woman who has had sexual partners before me, I must be the absolute best man she has ever been with in terms of appearance, personality, and resources. Otherwise, once the honeymoon is over and the relationship hits an inevitable low point, she will get a “Could I have done better?” itch and sabotage the relationship or test me to the point where I have to play “dread game” just to keep her in the kitchen. There must be no doubt within her mind that I am the best that she could possibly get.

3. Her physical attractiveness should hover around the 7 range

Thanks to technology and modern cosmopolitan society, a woman who is an 8 or above in beauty has been exposed to more toxic situations and experiences where she’s achieved some level of e-fame, been validated incessantly for her appearance, and been offered money, consumer products, and trips for her vagina (and likely accepted those offers). She has also fully utilitized her beauty to get her way in life, including prime seating for manipulating men for personal gain. Not only is such a woman harder to manage, but her entitlement is far higher. For a life partner I will purposefully aim lower than what I could get for casual sex.

4. Her skin tone should be within two shades of myself

I would like to have kids that look like me, so I will not reproduce with a woman who is black, Asian, or Indian. Acceptable races are South American, Persian, Armenian, and European (non-Northern). The average Croatian or Romanian girl is more similar to my appearance than Spanish or Italian.

5. She must be feminine

She must be a woman who takes great pride in her appearance and the feminine abilities that nature bestowed upon her. I don’t want her to be a mindless weakling who needs me all the time, but she should look and act like a woman and not try to compete with me in terms of mental or physical strength.

6. She must want to be a traditional stay-at-home mother

Once the kids arrive, she should have no desire to pursue a pointless office career in place of taking care of our growing brood. She may have some freedom to pursue hobbies like yoga or knitting, but her place will be in the home while I tirelessly work on my internet ebook hustle to bring home the bread that gives her everything she needs.

When I come home from work (at the cafe), I expect the kids to be clean, the house to be in good order, and preparations for dinner planned. I shall not participate in more than 5% of household duties outside of home improvement. In exchange, she will never have to worry about money or work outside the home. She can live a pleasant middle-class lifestyle that can even include dog and car ownership.

7. She must believe in a god

My experience shows that a woman who doesn’t believe in god has a value system taught to her by corporations and progressive degenerates. She will certainly be addicted to internet attention, alcohol, casual sex, material possessions, or food. She has relativistic morality, and what she thinks of as morality is actually built upon her feelings. When faced with any type of stress, she will almost always follow the herd or make the wrong decision. A woman who believes in god, while still prone to making mistakes, makes less of them and at least has a mental system encouraging her to perform good.


I believe the seven things above are quite reasonable, and something that would have taken no more than a 6-month search two generations ago, but based on my last decade of intensive fornication, I’ve encountered maybe two girls who fit the bill, especially when it comes to girls being a virgin and eager to stay at home. Part of this reason is that most of my time hunting for women was spent in big cities where such values are rapidly disappearing.

The decision I have to make now is how badly I want kids. If I don’t want kids, I should live in a place like Poland where I can attain a comfortable life of easy sex with “strong and independent” sluts, but where it’s close to impossible to meet girls who meet the above requirements (in the Polish cities I have lived in). If I do want to have kids, I should immediately move, because I’m surely not getting any younger. The two countries that seem to best accomplish my list are Ukraine and Russia, though there are huge obstacles and difficulties with living there long term instead of just going for two months of adventure and fun.

While I can honestly state that I’m not crazy about having kids right now, I know that my desires can change and so I have to guess if I will want them within five years time. Only five years ago I was still in the middle of nonstop casual sex, thinking the party would never end, and of course the music did stop and it’s something that no longer drives me. If being a father is in my future, I must prepare for it now.

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  1. Shaman London October 26, 2015 at 9:39 am

    Thanks for this. I’m somewhat older and my list is pretty much yours. I have bumped into a few girls like this in EE, even in cities. They are usually already snapped up and I guess hard for a foreigner to find the single ones.

    It is a shame however that the supernatural is required for most people to have a moral compass. But we have to deal with the world as it is, not how we may wish it to be.

    1. Reason And Believing October 27, 2015 at 1:26 am

      Without God , there is no basis for objective moral value or moral obligations.
      If there is no objective law giver outside and above all of us, there is only everyone’s personal opinion about what is right and what is wrong. .
      The problem with the world today is that men have failed to think deeply and relate that knowledge to women and to their own children

      You should , as your age, already know why God must exist, from the moral argument , to the cosmological one.

      1. Dan Theman October 27, 2015 at 4:49 am

        Then how come secular & predominantly non-religious nations dominate the most peaceful & non-corrupt nations?

        & how come atheists & agnostics commit far less crime per capita than religious people?

        I don’t know a single religious person in my extended family, & we’re still yet to commit a theft, rape, or murder that I know of lol…

        So save me the bullshit. God is a smokescreen, he’s not required for anything. Natural will, secularity, human empathy (being able to see yourself in another living being), & self-preservation form the basis of a stable human environment.

        “If there is no objective law giver outside and above all of us, there is only everyone’s personal opinion about what is right and what is wrong. . ”

        We’re not just floating entities with our own opinions & nothing else, we’re animals with instincts. It’s advantageous for us to work together for self-preservation, that’s how instincts are formed.

        That’s why pleasure chemicals are released into your bloodstream when you seek a mate &/or fuck (reproduce). That’s why electrical impulses (the pain you feel) are sent to your brain when your physical body is compromised.

        It’s all about the ability to survive & thrive within a naturally selective environment.

      2. Amy Wilson October 27, 2015 at 5:53 am

        If you are a humanist, yet a moral one…’re just acting inconsistently with your worldview.

      3. Veni Vidi Vici October 30, 2015 at 2:04 am

        Just like theists atheists follow many types of philosophies, maybe Dan follows Objectivism

      4. atlanta_guy_1 October 27, 2015 at 9:51 am

        So let’s see how these European nations, who once were religious and prosperous, are doing and will be doing as they have embraced secularism. As Germany finds that its own population is dying and Merkel seeks to allow Muslim immigration to fill the void, is that secularism at its finest?

      5. SongTalkingMan October 27, 2015 at 11:06 am

        Because the pioneers were believers. The ancestors of the today’s secular children were believers. Go look at the original disney stories, The Grimm brother’s originals and see if you find religious morals in them.

        Go ahead, and try populate and create anything from scratch without “Go forth and multiply”, without The Covenant, without The Gospels. Go ahead, and try, without the God, Our Lord. Prove me wrong, will you?

      6. EuroDude707 October 27, 2015 at 4:47 pm

        Spoken as a true atheist moron. The most “peaceful & non-corrupt nations” also have more abortions, rap music and drug problems. Using your paralogic, third world countries should have more abortions, listening more to rap music and use more drugs, and then magically they would become 1. world countries.

        Scandinavia was MORE peaceful and non-corrupt BEFORE we got rampant atheism.

        You atheist pseudo-intellectuals don’t understand the difference between correlation and causality.

      7. 66Scorpio October 27, 2015 at 10:26 pm

        The “non-religious” nations are nothing of the sort. It is just that they have mix of religions that have learned to coexist.
        Atheists and agnostics tend to be more intelligent. That is what you call a “third independent variable”. It’s not that being an atheist will make you commit fewer crimes, but rather that being intelligent tends to lead you to out of religion and away from crime at the same time. In the alternative, atheists are evil geniuses who are smart enough to get away with the crimes they commit without being caught.
        You don’t need god or religion to have a moral foundation but you need some metaphysics or spiritual awareness. Nobody has worked their way around Hume and the is-ought dichotomy, so you have no choice but to make up shit as you go. However, religion gives one a structure while atheism has none to speak of.

      8. Reason And Believing October 28, 2015 at 5:05 pm

        Sorry but Atheism and Agnostic are not even closely related. Unlike what Ath’tards of today claim , atheism is in fact the assertion that NO God exists,.
        Atheists are NOT more intelligent. Atheism is a symptom of autism , not of intelligence.
        Take all the current atheist leaders of today, from Dawkins to Lawrence Krauss and Sam Harris. , all of which who have been destroyed in debate by a simple Christian philosopher, and where the atheists rambling and lack of logical arguments and reason, made it clear that atheism is far from the “intelligent” position.
        It’s true that more atheists roam the halls of faulty lounges , but that is because these colleges and universities are State funded and require secularism, not that atheism is the prime choice of the most intelligent..
        Funny that, because it’s Christian thought ,especially in the US ,that requires a separation of Church and State , that makes State funded colleges and universities require secularism.

      9. 66Scorpio October 28, 2015 at 6:46 pm

        I will give it to you that atheists and agnostics are not necessarily close, regardless of the attempts of politically-minded atheists to call agnostics “weak atheists” to bolster the number of peers they have. I get into lots of arguments with self proclaimed atheists. If pressed I classify myself as an agnostic, usually because I don’t have a 24 episode lecture series to go through exactly what I believe and how I arrived here after more than 3 decades of studying and thinking about it,
        “Intelligence” can be a slippery notion but the balance of evidence is that IQ correlates with the incidence of atheism and irreligiosity generally. Of course, IQ has very little to do with wisdom or many practical applications, otherwise liberals would actually be right. On the other hand, The Bell Curve laid it out quite clearly that those with higher IQs have, on balance, better social outcomes in terms of income, family, crime and a raft of other issues.
        Of the “Four Horsemen” only Daniel Dennett has something really nuanced to say. Dawkins is a great scientist but a terrible philosopher. Harris is a smug but uninsightful wag and Chris Hitchens – the best written and most entertaining among them – kind of misses the point and directs his vitriol against god rather than against the evils of bureaucracy and ideology in all their forms; that seems to be what he is really on about.
        The basic flaw in atheist thinking is their notion that they can, by empirical examination, come to some logical conclusions about morality, purpose or meaning without making shit up along the way. They will go on about “sky fairies” and “spaghetti monsters” but when you get down to what they believe and why they believe it, it is always an ass-pull leap of faith on their part that they refuse to acknowledge.
        A fascinating read is the Chamberlain Decision from the Supreme Court of Canada which examined the definition of “secular”. The ultimate outcome was a mess as it basically forced the Surrey school board (part of Greater Vancouver) to use gay-themed books in elementary school courses. However, and particularly in the dissenting opinions, the idea of what is “secular” is not chasing god and religion out of the public square but rather allowing all forms of religiously informed opinions into public policy debates and to treat them with respect.
        The separation of church and state has been turned on its head, particularly in the US. In Canada there is no real history of that as such until liberals needed a stick to beat Christian conservatives out of the media, the academy, and Parliament. In the USA the original intent of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment was to stop the federal government from setting up a nation-wide religion (like the Church of England) while allowing individual states to decide for themselves what they wanted. Several of the original 13 colonies were set up as religious communities trying to do their own thing out of the reach of Mother England. The fuck of it is that the Supreme Court of the United States has never been very concerned with actually following the Constitution as written.

      10. Reason And Believing October 29, 2015 at 4:28 pm

        If you are not already familiar with him, I would like to suggest you check out Dr William Lane Craig and his website Reasonablefaith (dot)org .

      11. Owen Gilmore November 16, 2015 at 9:13 pm

        Craig is boring as fuck with nothing of value to say. I can’t imagine spending 5 minutes on that execrable site.

      12. Veni Vidi Vici October 30, 2015 at 2:25 am

        “Destroyed in debate” did you just pull that out of your ass? I watch atheists vs theists debates usually the theists loose.
        Atheist / Theist = belief, agnostic / gnostic = knowledge. ( weak and strong positions )
        Ag, Aa, Tg, Ta.
        YouTube has plenty of debates between theists and atheists.

      13. Orfi' November 6, 2015 at 11:33 pm

        Atheists are the dumbest people I know. And the most annoying, most sanctimonious, self righteous, whine smarte arse peons.
        Look at any Ricky Gervais, what a useless twat.
        It takes so much arrogance, conceit and blind faith to look around you, into the universe and believe there is no creator. In the future atheism will be seen for what it is an abomination and an excuse for the biggest mass murder.
        Death to dialectical materialism, really, die now!

      14. 66Scorpio November 7, 2015 at 5:30 am

        “Intelligence” is a wonky concept, as evidenced by the extreme lengths to say how intelligent they and their leaders are but at the same time attack any measurement of the phenomenon as sexist, racist and such, or -out of the other side of their mouth – saying it can’t be measured or is to complex to measure.
        Psychometricians are the right wing equivalent of climate scientologists, except that there is a lot more confirmation for the former group rather than the latter, in terms of predictability.
        Keep in mind that the ability to process facts quickly and accurately has no relationship to wisdom: the ability to make meaningful, moral and puposely choices given the same facts.
        Whether you cite Hume and the Is-Ought Dichotomy or the Law of Intended Consequences, what we see is a reverse Dunning – Kruger Effect where the smartest people fuck things up because they think they know better.
        Atheism requires a certain arrogance because it dispenses with any higher power or purpose, or check on your own arrogance.
        Western atheists have a limited understanding of the value of life. However, the more Stalin is an Maoist it becomes, it will be fucked.

      15. Veni Vidi Vici July 12, 2017 at 2:36 am

        Not true, higher IQ people (The Bell Curve.) tend to make better life choices so higher IQ tends to correlate with more wisdom.

      16. WallaceLeMay68 October 27, 2015 at 11:08 pm

        You have, inadvertently, given me the empirical evidence I have been looking for to support my new proof for the existence of God: the argument from douche.
        P1: if a maximally douchy entity exists, there must some transendant, countervailing entity which embodies all that which in not douchy. Otherwise, douchiness would have overwhelmed the universe.
        P2: non-douchy things exist, such as Jesus, America, freedom, baseball, Ronald Reagan, etc.
        P3: a maximally douchy entity exists (proven by your last comment ).
        P4: maximal douchiness does not dominate the universe based on the existence of P2 + sunsets, babies, Chuck Norris, etc.
        P5: the transendant embodiment of maximal non-douchiness, which allows for existence of P2, must be spacess, timeless, immaterial, omnipotent, in order to overcome the maximal douchiness of P3.
        That entity is what classical theists call God.
        Thanks again neck beard boy. In all your pseudo-intellectual, teenage angst ridden butthurt fury, you have proven the existence of God!

      17. Untergang07 October 27, 2015 at 11:23 pm

        Another idiot. Maybe because the nations you mentioned have an aged population, with average ages hovering around the 40 and 50s and are places where teenagers and children are outnumbered by oldster?

        By the way, all the ethos those “agnostics” and “atheists” practice is derived from The Christian roots of our dying civilization. They are acting like ungrateful heirs that spit on the graveyard of their father while booking tickets for worldwide tours and buying fast-speed Ferraris with his wealth, but his wealth is not infinite and that is starting to become clear.

      18. Bavieca October 28, 2015 at 12:23 am

        >Then how come secular & predominantly non-religious nations dominate the most peaceful & non-corrupt nations? & how come atheists & agnostics commit far less crime per capita than religious people?

        You’re a fucking moron who is totally out of your depth. Islamic countries which uphold the Shariah law are the most peaceful places on earth, trust me, I have a PHD in Sharia law from Harvard and I rest 20 Shariah-law-breaching scum men into peace by my own hands and my trusted laser scimitar. We also greet our fellow laser scimitar wielders with “may Allah’s peace & blessing be upon you”.

        >I don’t know a single religious person in my extended family, & we’re still yet to commit a theft, rape, or murder that I know of lol…

        That is not by your own doings, it is Allah who preserve and guide your hearts so you didn’t commit those atrocities and then end-up getting butt-raped in prison by Jamal and Quantavius for the rest of your days.

        >That’s why pleasure chemicals are released into your bloodstream when you seek a mate &/or fuck (reproduce). That’s why electrical impulses (the pain you feel) are sent to your brain when your physical body is compromised.

        I fear for your sanity and I fear that El Diablo has had too strong of a grip in your black heart already……………but don’t you worry, my infidel brother because I’ll pray to Allah that you shall eventually see the light and come into the fold of our peace-loving Jihadists, insha’Allah and may the Force be with you.

      19. Reason And Believing October 28, 2015 at 4:39 pm

        Who ? France? Germany? UK?They’ve bombed three countries in the last 4 years.
        They CAUSED all the turmoil in the Middle East, It was their secular non religious governments that imposed themselves on others.
        Also your crime rate claims are absurd. The more atheist a country , the more rapes , the more murder, the more violence.

        Anyway your rebuttal doesn’t even relate to my comment
        I’m not saying that people do not have their own opinions , or that someone can not reach the same opinion as an objectively moral obligation duties of religion.
        It’s that there that would not be OBJECTIVLY TRUE without an outside ,and above authority to make them objectively true.
        If we are only accidents of mindless creation, mere biological machines programmed by accident to believe or reason a certain way , then there is no truth, there is no free will, , there is way to even declare anything valid from logic and reason itself. Even your own assertions would have zero meaning because they were true, it would mean your assertions themselves are just a result of mindless accidental machine like programming of evolution , where your own thoughts are just meaningless results of that very same accidental evolution .

        All the currently secular nation of “peace” you can name , were created by Christian moral values FROM the teaching of Jesus Christ. From believing all human life is innately valuable and equal, , all humans, even ath’ards have a right to their own life and conscience, to even that murder itself is wrong regardless if you get other people to do the murder.

      20. Tom Kalina November 5, 2015 at 2:03 pm

        Well, an angry atheist dirt bag just shot up a bunch of Christians in Oregon. Adam Lanza also hated religious people.

      21. Shmalkandik October 29, 2015 at 2:02 am

        Sigh. Socrates knocked off this argument 2300 years ago in the ‘Euthyphro’. Is it good because God loves it, or does God love it because it is good? If God loves it because it is Good, ,then it is Good independently of God. If it is Good only because God loves it, then nto say “God loves the Good’ means “God loves what God loves’. Indeed, the Christian notion of Salvation makes sense if – and only if – there is some objective good that all men can perceive, and recognize that they all fall short of achieving it. There are many names for this good – De rerum natura, the Dao Tien, Dharma…but they are all instances of an objective good existing independenly of time, place, and people.

      22. Reason And Believing October 29, 2015 at 4:37 pm

        Sigh, Euthyphro is a false dilemma and you aren’t even representing it correctly .But I laugh because when an atheist brings it up , it proves their arguments are several thousand years behind.
        Christianity solved Euthyphro long ago. That is in fact the point of Christianity
        God is Good, a characteristic of His Nature is Good , an inseparable and integral part of Him .
        That’s why when the man called Jesus “Good Rabbi” , Jesus asks “Why do you call me -good?. There is none good by God”
        There is nothing about Hinduism or Buddhism that expressing anything being OBJECTIVELY good. For instance, if granny is sick , you can toss her on the junk heap before she’s dead if you think it’s more beneficial over all , and thus subjectively good.
        This was a common practice in India before the Christians arrived..
        Mother Theresa wrote extensively about pulling the sick and dying from trash heaps., who were cast out like yesterday’s trash.
        Compare that to what Jesus taught where all are equal in value and worthy of salvation , including the poor, the old, the sick the weak ,children , women , and the unschooled , and even the guilty.

      23. Shmalkandik October 29, 2015 at 9:38 pm

        No sit, you have asserted God is good without first defining the Good. You cannot call God – or any thing else good – without first defining the term. Good Aristotelian that he was, this is the Aquinas. He first defines how, in an Aristotelian metaphysics, it is possible to speak of a being who is the highest level in a hierarchy of Final Causes. He then proceeds to the define the Good, and THEN he explains why the definition of God as Good is, again,, a possible state even within Aristotle’s concept of Prime Mover.

        So, the issue is not about theism or atheism. A fervent theist should have no problem asseting that the Good exists logically prior to a definition of a deity as Good. This is no different than first asserting there is a Nomos – a lawfulness – in the physical universe, and then asserting it is consistent with the claim that there was a Prime Mover which acted on matter to create that order.

        For Protestants who are sola scriptura and Salvation without works in their theology, Socrates’ question is still a valid challenge. RC’s, having Aquinas at their disposal, can avoid that problem. Indeed, the whole point of Aquinas’ work is that far from disproving Christianity, Aristotle is a perfect subset of Christian belief. This is why he bothers with five proofs – why didn’t he just choose his best? The answer is that there were so many ways to show that, even within Aristotle ‘s metaphysics, the Christian god is a possible outcome.. Of course, the good doctor did not stop there – he went on to ague about how the Christian god was the only possible one, even in Aristotle’s universe.

        I notice you do not address the challenge of the Chinese tradition of the Way off Heaven, as expounded by philosophers every bit as competent as those in the Greco-Roman tradition. Some reason?

        Your opinion about Hinduism, and especially Buddhism, ,is not correct. To show how Buddhism promoted the good, one merely has to read about the life of Ashokah, the first Buddhist king, and his own words on the subject.

      24. Veni Vidi Vici October 30, 2015 at 1:56 am

        Nope I don’t need Santa Claus for adults aka God. As an Atheist all the women I have dated were theists because too many ( especially women think being an Atheist makes them cool, hip, trendy, etc and are not Atheists due to critical thinking about the world around them. Basically following the herd.

      25. Bond Summers December 26, 2015 at 4:45 pm

        ‘Moral Living’ doesn’t require ‘God’. There is good human nature.

    2. Aleenum November 2, 2015 at 11:05 pm

      The church is filled with sinners.

  2. Adrián October 26, 2015 at 9:42 am

    I live in a big latinamerican city, I’m 22, finishing college and working in a financial institution.

    From my experience, 90% of the girls have adopted the career model, want to travel, have fun, etc. There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s the norm and it’s even encouraged by their parents.

    How could’ve this happen in one of the most religious countries? I am yet to find out.

    It’s no different from big cities in the US, although the manifestation is here, isn’t as strong; marriage and kids are still expected from women, facing sorrow and pity if they are 30 and single.

    It is from my personal experience that women with a potential mom profile are to be found in the highest social classes, maybe because that’s how their family works: the father is strong and successful, beautiful mother devoted to her family while he provides. I don’t know really, but it’s more likely these girls have a more conservative mindset than their more economically modest counterparts, who might be inclined to believe that they shouldn’t leave their stability be handled by a man, fear.

    I’ve had my fun with college and banking girls and I know I’m too young to worry about kids, but it’s definitely a thought that will be me in 10 years and a different society I’ll live in.

    1. GetItGoing October 27, 2015 at 1:10 pm

      What city?

    2. Untergang07 October 27, 2015 at 11:32 pm

      How could’ve this happen in one of the most religious countries? I am yet to find out.

      Simple, the faith died and no one believes in anything. If you are in your 20s and 30s maybe, maybe your grandparents believed in something and were really religious. None of us knew something worthwhile, LatAm used to be catholic and Catholic hierarchy collapsed in the 60s due to infiltration and heresy. I guess you are in Southamerica. End result: Bergoglio the marxist clown.

      From my experience, 90% of the girls have adopted the career model, want to travel, have fun, etc. There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s the norm and it’s even encouraged by their parents.

      That’s a big part of the problem. Everything in that picture is bad. Is only good if you are looking for quick bang, as I am looking now.

  3. StochasticFats October 26, 2015 at 9:43 am

    Wouldn’t the issue you report with women having too many casual partners being unsuitable for marriage in the long term also apply to you? I don’t mean to attack you Roosh, but if we have to look at ourselves without self delusion as part of the red pill journey one of the questions we have to ask ourselves is : Am I the man who can attract what I want?

    Apologies if this comes across as a troll type question. Your work on day game has added value to my life.

    1. Tlu October 26, 2015 at 10:39 am

      No. Women compare things, men don’t.

      If Roosh marries a woman who’s had 7 alpha dicks in her, she’s going to compare him to all of them every time they get busy. Roosh, as with most men, won’t care if his wife’s shit in bed. He’s looking for a stable marriage and family. Plus men naturally care if their partner has had other mates. It’s in our genes. Not so much for women.

      1. chloe October 26, 2015 at 1:14 pm

        I would have to strongly disagree. If a man like Roosh v were to settle down with me I would feel extremely insecure providing all his personal encounters with so many women. A man who has had a lot of variety in the past will want to keep seeking it. Men also compare different women and remember different lovers. Everyone does it. Personally, I think incel men who have been in monk mode working on themselves are the best candidates to settle down with. Not only will they have had very little to no prior sexual experience, but they will be grateful to have someone and they won’t play dread game on me. They will also have provider ability through working on themselves. Men who are used to women rejecting them and finding them unattractive make better husbands. The more desperate a man is and the fewer romantic options he has had throughout his life, the better. He will love any woman who allows him to be the alpha to her that he never was to the rest of the world. Any woman that wants him particularly if she treats him well will be taken care of for the rest of her life without the risk of him trading up. I also think that East Asian men make the best husbands as I find them very physically attractive, hard working and intelligent, but that is just my personal preference. I also think that men need to be under 5’10 in height, preferably. Taller men are more egotistical and more likely to stray. I am also below average height myself, so a man doesn’t need to be tall to be considerably taller than me. I am living this experience right now and I am being really well taken care of by a hard working man and other women just haven’t seen his potential, mostly because he is chinese in a western country, is short and is very socially awkward. He likes white girls, which has made things extremely difficult for him. Apart from me he has only ever been with prostitutes, which I don’t think counts because they were not personal encounters. I can’t say I have particularly high SMV myself, physically I am little unattractive and not just objectively. However, I don’t think being beautiful would change my opinion. As women age they all get ugly to some degree and I don’t want a man leaving me or taking mistresses when I am older. I have also had a very difficult pregnancy and have not been able to keep active and when the baby is born I will have to lose a lot of weight. I also have other physical issues. Chances are a higher SMV man who has slept with lots of slim attractive women and has plenty of other options would be very unhappy with this and it would cause issues with the relationship.

      2. Tlu October 26, 2015 at 3:13 pm

        Brilliant. Within just the first two sentences, you’ve taken a conversation about the differences between men and women and turned it into a talk about yourself. See: female solipsism.

        Marrying Roosh is intimidating to you not because he might leave you, but because he can. This is natural. Roosh is a high value male and most women want high value males. Hence, you know if you’re not meeting his needs, he’d have little problem finding another woman who might just do a better job. It has little to do with him sleeping around and much to do with him being an alpha.

        Also please note that having women reject you and call you ugly doesn’t always make men better. Many times it turns them into shut-in assholes. You sound like a dominatrix.

        Props for giving short men a chance, you’re one of the few.

      3. chloe October 30, 2015 at 7:06 pm

        I think all women subconsciously desire control over men. However, it’s not the direct, ‘dominatrix’ control you are speaking of that women want. Women still want men to be good leaders, but they want to be in the driver’s seat when it comes to keeping men around. If you think attractive women don’t use their looks to control and manipulate men into trading resources you have another thing coming. What I am doing is simply a different strategy. Planet earth is a very messed up place. There is nothing benevolent about our existence. The sooner you learn this stuff the better. Why would any woman want to opt for a man who has better options? You are simply giving him a ticket to mess up your already pointless life.

      4. Ashara Dayne November 3, 2015 at 10:59 pm

        Marrying Roosh isn’t intimidating. The thought of it is skin-crawling verging on vomit-inducing. Hypocrisy isn’t attractive. Nor is utter selfishness.

      5. sky November 22, 2015 at 12:17 am


        I dont want a man-whore who passes his seed to everything that has a vagina.

      6. RedPillRenegade October 26, 2015 at 6:28 pm

        Low SMV white women often see minority men as an option of last resort. I’ve seen this time and time again. If you were young, hot and blonde, you wouldn’t be caught dead with a Chinese man, or probably any other non-white man unless they were rich or a celebrity. You only see this Chinese man’s good qualities because you have no better options and were forced to. Maybe you should read your post to him.

      7. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 9:36 pm

        Even if you discount the Asian/minority part something about her post reeks of low SMV. I just could not imagine a successful Asian man married to someone that would post that.

      8. TyDaMan November 19, 2015 at 7:54 am

        Yeah most white women in the US are messed up to a degree. If they don’t want to sleep with an Asian man, no problem. They’re too low anyways with their excessive smartphone addiction, food obsession, numerous tattoos, self-entitled attitudes, and potty mouths.

      9. Batman3.0 January 8, 2016 at 1:26 pm

        I already said it before. I will only marry and produce children with a Latin American or Former Eastern Bloc woman. Picking a woman who’s first language is not English eliminates 50 percent of the risk/problems of marriage/mother of your future children.

      10. sky November 22, 2015 at 12:21 am

        That is not everyone. I agree with Chloe, I find East Asian men the best husbands: loyalty, hard-working, intelligent, and good genes. This is why my husband is Korean, not because I couldn’t find another man (I’ve had plenty of men still ask me out). I have high standards in men, if more women did, you’d see less sluts and man-whores.

      11. RedPillRenegade November 22, 2015 at 1:08 am

        I’m sure many women spend a decade getting fucked and chucked by alphas then decide to hunker down with an Asian beta provider who will be all too thrilled to have anything white.

      12. sky November 23, 2015 at 6:45 pm

        I was a virgin and married when I was 18. So, no, that isn’t me.

      13. Jack October 26, 2015 at 7:28 pm

        “Men who are used to women rejecting them and finding them unattractive make better husbands. The more desperate a man is and the fewer romantic options he has had throughout his life, the better. He will love any woman who allows him to be the alpha to her that he never was to the rest of the world.”

        And there it is, the core of this entire post. Her “allowing” him to be the alpha. She wants a man she can control and who will not attempt to control her.

      14. chloe October 30, 2015 at 7:00 pm

        All women want an element of control over men. You don’t think high value women use their beauty to control and keep men by the balls? What I do is all based on the same principal, it is just a different strategy.

      15. PrincessMia October 27, 2015 at 12:07 am

        IMO I don’t think you’d be able to have respect for the guy you described. He would just be with you because he has no other option not because he thinks you’re special. Desperation is absolutely unsexy ! A guy who has lots of options but chooses you, who could cheat but doesn’t, and who doesn’t need to be nice and romantic to get laid but is = perfect.

      16. Bavieca October 27, 2015 at 11:47 pm

        A guy who has lots of options but chooses you (read: low SMV woman), who could cheat but doesn’t, and who doesn’t need to be nice and romantic to get laid but is = a fucking idiot.

      17. PrincessMia October 28, 2015 at 10:38 am

        I don’t get how that makes me a low SMV woman. Would I be a higher SMV woman if I choose to be with someone who had no options and is only with me because no other woman would have him. Please clarify.

      18. Bavieca October 28, 2015 at 1:46 pm

        Did you not say to Chloe ” I don’t think you’d be able to have respect for the guy you described. He would just be with you because he has no other option not because he thinks you’re special. you’d be able to have respect for the guy you described. He would just be with you because he has no other option not because he thinks you’re special”

        Do YOU not think that Chloe’s guy is a low SMV man? Why you think Chloe be with a low SMV man? Perhaps she is just as desperate and without option like her man is? In other words, they both possess similarly low SMV aka he is the best she can get and vice versa. Or perhaps it is the power of the true love which moved her to settle with a low SMV man? Or do you not not believe in true love unless it is between a higher SMV man and a lower SMV woman i.e. female hypergamy?

        And then you proceeded “Desperation is absolutely unsexy ! A guy who has lots of options but chooses YOU, who could cheat but doesn’t, and who doesn’t need to be nice and romantic to get laid but is = perfect”.

        By YOU, I think you must mean Chloe hence it was not a stretch when I added ‘READ: A LOW SMV WOMAN’.

        “Would I be a higher SMV woman if I choose to be with someone who had no options and is only with me because no other woman would have him.”

        If the guy had a similar mindset as you do then not only would you be a high SMV woman but you’ll be PERFECT in his eyes, he won’t even believe his luck and will think to himself :

        “A princess (PrincessMia) who has lots of options but chooses me (read: low SMV man), who could marry a prince or a billionaire but doesn’t, and who doesn’t need to promise to take my cock up in her ass and to drink my sperm in order to get laid but did anyway = perfect”.

      19. PrincessMia October 28, 2015 at 6:20 pm

        Yes. I agree with you. Those were my exact thoughts. Chloe is a low SMV woman and she seeks out the same exact type. I thought you were saying that I was being a low SMV woman by wanting someone with high SMV, I was like what??? You make a good point, if you’re going to want someone special and high value, you’re going to have to match that. In the end, people typically end up with people who are worth around the same as them.

      20. Bavieca October 28, 2015 at 9:27 pm

        “In the end, people typically end up with people who are worth around the same as them.”

        Not quite, a woman typically ended up with a man AT LEAST her own SMV level or even much higher than hers. Most men are beta chumps, even the famous and wealthy ones .

      21. PrincessMia October 28, 2015 at 11:35 pm

        What you pointed out does fascinate me because it happens ALOT. I was referring to a person’s cumulative value though. Things like looks, age, charm, wealth, and reputation contribute a high SMV. SMV fails to account for a person’s Longterm Mate Value, lets call that LMV. LMV accounts for the person’s personality and how they treat you. A person with high SMV can end up having a total crap personality once you really get to know them. I think guys choose girls who have lower SMV because they tend to have higher LMV. I think that can be problematic though because you have to ask WHY that person is demonstrating symptoms of LMV. Is it the real deal or is it because they are desperate and using it as bait? I’m curious, what does being alpha mean to you? And what are things that make a guy beta?

      22. Bavieca October 29, 2015 at 1:25 am

        I can’t really comment on the so-called LMV because there is no reliable way to measure it other than if the woman possess much higher SMV but chose the lower SMV man as in the case with Julia Roberts and hubby Danny Moder — only then can the man be convinced that the woman will continue to treat him well up until his deathbed.

        An alpha man is respected and looked up to by his fellow men, I doubt most guys here will opine that Bill Gates, Zuckerberg and Jeb Bush as alphas despite their immense wealth and status.

        “And what are things that make a guy beta?”

        Settle for a woman lower than his own worth.

      23. PrincessMia October 29, 2015 at 10:21 am

        I agree, if a person has a high SMV and they’re with you and they demonstrate high LMV its more believable. My theory is that the realer and more genuine LMV you have, the higher your bullshit detector is and the more likely you are to be able to see it and attract it. Also the thing that differentiates a person who is has genuinely high LMV and a person who’s desperate and faking it is: power. You have to see how that person responds in situations where they have power. Are they nice even when they don’t have to? Are they nice to people with a lower social standing. Also a person’s relative happiness and satisfaction with life reveals a lot about them. Someone who is usually happy and upbeat has the ability to be grateful and focus on the positives in life, so that really important. I think what really differentiates the alpha from the beta is his sense of self respect and high standards. If you don’t respect your self and have high standards for the way people treat you, you won’t be able to get the respect of everyone else.

      24. chloe October 30, 2015 at 7:14 pm

        I guess, but not all women have that option, so they have to find ways to be manipulative to keep a man around. We can’t all be at the top of the hierarchy. Those who are at the bottom have to learn to be underhanded.

      25. rationalize October 27, 2015 at 11:30 am

        No offence to the poster, but this:

        “I have also had a very difficult pregnancy and have not been able to keep active and when the baby is born I will have to lose a lot of weight.”

        This is the reality of having kids.

        If you’re a player who enjoys the company of thin women .. this will be a difficult time for you, and, her slim figure may never ever come back.

        Also those stories about natural child birth leaving everything in perfect working order … is a fantasy.

        This is just the way it goes.

        Having a kid changes your life. Many would like to say -ruins- your life. But they can’t say it out loud… Because they are completely financially trapped at that point.

        She has you entirely by the balls.

      26. bucky October 27, 2015 at 5:19 pm

        i dunno. i’m holding out hope that my wife will basically be the latina maria kang (maria chavez?) after she has kids.

      27. rationalize October 27, 2015 at 6:29 pm

        Start hiding assets.

      28. 66Scorpio October 27, 2015 at 10:44 pm

        A bunch of my colleagues here in China became fathers recently. Within a couple of months their wife dropped back down to a 20 BMI. There is fat shaming like crazy here, even for new mothers.

      29. rationalize October 28, 2015 at 4:47 am

        This is why I switched to Asian – Reliably thin women.

        Aided by peer pressure, bullying, and shaming.

        My favourite social controls. Perfection.

      30. chloe October 30, 2015 at 7:16 pm

        If a woman’s slim figure does come back after pregnancy, it probably won’t be the same as it was before either. I know women whose bellies look like a mound of pizza dough and whose boobs look like deflated balloons after 1 kid.

      31. rationalize October 30, 2015 at 8:13 pm


        There is no honestly amongst parents advising their kids on whether to have kids or not.

        To say “having kids ruined your mother’s body” is a little bit impolite, in any context.

        And what do we hear from the women? “It doesn’t matter, I’m a mum now. My kids are the most important part of my life.”

        Translation: The man is completely marginalised. She is less attractive, and now has a massive claim on your wealth.

        After having kids, men become second class citizens.

      32. Earl Henson November 3, 2015 at 5:27 pm

        Were any of them doing P90X ?

      33. Earl Henson November 3, 2015 at 5:22 pm

        “Apart from me he has only ever been with prostitutes, which I don’t think counts because they were not personal encounters.”
        Ha ha ha, your husband has only been with prostitutes. WTF

      34. sky November 22, 2015 at 12:27 am

        Ikr, gross.

      35. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 9:29 pm

        100 percent agree. Men seek out different qualities when they decide to get married.

    2. Patriarchal Shitlord October 26, 2015 at 6:17 pm

      Men and women are different. Sleeping around is much more acceptable for a man than a woman. Although Roosh has had sex with so many women now that I think he isn’t really suitable for marriage.

      1. RedPillRenegade October 26, 2015 at 7:46 pm

        If you agree to get into an exclusive relationship with someone then it’s not acceptable for either party to cheat. If that’s not something you can do, then stay single and just chase ass until you’re ready to commit. Or find a woman who is ok with open relationships. There may not be many but they exist. I think if a man is not willing or able to be faithful to a woman, then he’s not ready to get married. Nothing wrong with that, just don’t get married then. Or find a surrogate mother if you want to pass on your DNA. Why deceive someone? Being a man is about having integrity and honor and not putting your family life at risk of divorce over a few minutes of empty pleasure.

    3. PrincessMia October 26, 2015 at 11:28 pm

      Yes, because women who “are suitable for marriage” and fit Roosh’s standards don’t find manwhores attractive. As someone who has almost all of the characteristics described (except the one about the skin tone, I’m Ethiopian). I’d never want to marry someone who’s promisicuous like Roosh, because he doesn’t share the same values as me. I’d want someone who CAN sleep around and be promiscuous if he wanted and is desirable but won’t because it goes against what he believes in.

      1. hv October 28, 2015 at 12:51 am

        So basically you want a unicorn.. some “hawt”, alpha dude who for some bizarre reason never slept with that many women and decides to commit to you.

        Typical deluded female.. good luck with that. You’ll just get banged and dumped.

      2. PrincessMia October 28, 2015 at 10:27 am

        No, I want a guy who is like me. I’m as you put it “hawt” and get always get attention from guys but never slept with anyone. His reasons would be the same as mine, chastity. Thanks for trying to enlighten me, but the only way I could get “banged and dumped” was if I believed in premarital sex.

      3. sabril October 29, 2015 at 6:15 am

        I think Mia has a pretty good point. A girl who meets all of Roosh’s criteria probably would have no interest in his marriage proposal. Even if she were interested, her parents would say “hell no” and she would accept their decision.

        But I think Roosh pretty much knows that he is being unrealistic; I think he is just poking a little fun at the legions of girls who have laundry lists of dating requirements.

      4. iBooB October 30, 2015 at 11:52 pm

        Generally speaking men and woman are judged by and judge each other by different standards.

        Men judge women based on her beauty and chastity. Women judge men based on his ability to provide and secure her safety/future.

        The poster Mia that you responded to claims she wouldn’t want a man like Roosh (yet here she is demonstrating her value on his site, anyway) because his promiscuity is deemed unattractive. This is because her personal sense of security is defined by a man who can successfully provide her sexual loyalty to nullify the underlying insecurity that another, hotter woman will steal him away from her via sleeping with him – leaving her utterly unsecured and unsafe. Children are a women’s biggest investment in life and they need to know that investment will be protected by the man who will provide and secure her and them.

        Is a virgin man a better or worse man than one who has slept with many women? Morally speaking a virgin man is better. And a virgin woman is more deserving of a virgin man than a man who is not. But a non-virgin man marrying a virgin woman doesn’t raise any eyebrows typically because a virgin woman to a man is the ultimate prize. She is what he could never be because he was not morally strong enough to keep himself as she has. This is very admirable especially if done in today’s society.

        The moral purity a virgin woman introduces into a man’s life garners the ultimate sacrifice and her loyalty to him is rewarded with the utmost respect. A woman sacrifices her purity for a man and in return that man sacrifices his life for the woman

      5. sky November 22, 2015 at 12:33 am

        I think besides being 2 yr older than that requirement (& being married with children now), I fit his standard, or rather would have before I found my current husband. I would never have been with a former man-whore.
        I always took care of myself and stayed a virgin. I expected that of my husband, and found my man. He is intelligent, sweet, a hard worker, a good husband and father, works out to stay in shape, and is loyal as hell.

      6. hv October 31, 2015 at 2:51 am

        Ok, I was going to respond to your earlier post but it seems you altered it.

        I get where you’re coming from.. You say it’s all about “moral values”.. but unless you’re religious, morality is quite subjective. One can make a reasoned, liberal argument – and the current Western, feminist , secular and liberal culture believes this to be the case – that as long as sex is consensual between two adults, there is nothing wrong with men or women “exploring their sexuality” and sleeping with as many people as they want.

        You might be mistaking your natural female tendency to be picky and highly selective with being “moral.” Be careful not to confuse the two as a lot of women tend to do. Men and women are different biologically and have different sexual drives and imperatives. Males are driven to “spread their seed”.. to desire sexual variety.. to want to sleep with lots of women. Women are less interested in sexual variety (although they are definitely not monogamous for life; women tend to be “hypergamous”).. and more interested in wanting the “best” male in terms of looks, genes, healthy, physical fitness and status. Women also for the most part require emotional intimacy in order to be physically intimate.. and their bodies are more complicated and they require a man to invest time learning about her body and what pleases her sexually. In short, a woman still desires sex.. but she only wants the best, the hottest, the most alpha, the highest status male.. and wants him to commit to her and her alone.. until of course she tires of him and she runs across someone better who gives her tingles. In the manosphere, this is known as “serial monogamy” and hypergamy, and is the woman’s sexual nature and preferred means for promiscuity. Don’t mistake this form of promiscuity and highly selective and fickle type of “monogamy” as being any more “moral” or better than a man’s form of promiscuity. It’s just different. .and not based on any kind of intrinsic virtue on the woman’s part.. but rather the biological nature of her sexual drive and imperative shaped by hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

        Also, female chastity is something that is prized by most men. Female chastity is a virtue. Male chastity isn’t. Most women want and desire the type of men who most other women desire, and who has some sexual experience and confidence. I repeat what I said: what you are looking for is a unicorn and the chances are very slim to zero that you’re going to find it. What you’re looking for only makes sense if you’re super religious and want to find someone equally religious who is very attractive and “hawt” the way you demand but also hasn’t slept with any women. I still doubt you actually want a man who isn’t sexually experienced.. or at least, more sexually experienced than you. Because there is no way the kind of man who passes your lofty criteria in terms of looks in the current culture wouldn’t have slept with multiple women before you. As a woman, you have no understand of what the male sex drive is like.. and how strong the need and desire is for a man to sleep with attractive women especially when he’s in his 20s. And if a guy has been blessed with the good looks and body that allow him easy sexual access to attractive women, there is no chance in hell he will be passing those opportunities up.. unless he has no sex drive, is gay, or is very religious and his values forbid him from having premarital sex. And even then, it requires an almost impossible kind of willpower to resist easy sexual access to attractive women if indeed he is the “hawt” and highly physically attractive type that women desire sexually.

        Now getting back to you. In your first reply you described yourself as quite hot and attractive because of the attention you get from males according to you. I am skeptical of women assessing their own “hotness.” MOst females these days have overly inflated egos and think they’re far more attractive than they are in reality. .and also make the critical mistake of thinking just because guys want to fuck them it means the same “hawt” guys will also want to have a relationship and commit to them. Those are two very different things. Guys much hotter than you, and of higher status than you might want to sleep with you but that doesn’t mean they would ever commit to you. Make sure you understand the difference and don’t be too full of yourself that you dismiss and reject good men who you think aren’t “hawt” enough for you, or high enough status.. even if those men might be the type who are actually looking for a real relationship and monogamy. And I hate to bring up the race issue but given you’re ethnically black and Ethiopian, that really puts you at the bottom as far as guys wanting to marry you and have children with you. Unless you’re talking about other black and African men. A lot of white men will sleep with attractive black women but they will not commit to them or marry and have children with them. So make sure you understand that and are realistic… otherwise, you’re never going to find what you’re looking for.

        P.S. I’m not white myself and actually I’m originally from East Africa.. but I’m not black. I’m aware African culture is more conservative and that’s probably what you mean by your values. I’m also aware that many Ethiopian and Somali women are indeed quite attractive and “exotic looking” to Westerners.

      7. PrincessMia October 31, 2015 at 5:01 pm

        You’re right chasing after some “hawt alpha guy” is kind of a recipe for disaster, not just because of the getting banged and dumped thing you mention but because lets just imagine that I did manage to make him marry me. Does that mean I’ll be happy and all will be good? NO! Especially since I would have been so focused on chasing after all these superficial qualities instead of the ones that really do count, the goodness of a person’s heart. I’m not saying that I’d marry an old bald guy or one thats lifelong career is at Shake Shack because he has a “good heart”. Looks and wealth are important, but they are not the qualities that matter the most. Also about the whole white guy thing, I really don’t find white guys to be better looking or more attractive and desirable and I’ve never daydreamed of marrying one so I’m not exactly bummed out about the thing you said. All races and ethnicities have good looking, cool, and nice people, white people aren’t better, and black people aren’t less. You mention that men want to “spread the seed” and women are interested in the most hawtest alphaest dude. I agree with you, that is a part of human nature. But so is being lazy, eating junkfood instead of healthy stuff, not wanting to exercise, wasting money on meaningless junk, hoarding, being stingy, attention seeking, doing crazy things when you’re angry, revenge, being greedy, caring about only yourself, showing off, not wanting to be patient etc. But doing these things isn’t good and they don’t result in happiness. I believe we have to try to rise above these things and do the right thing even if its really really hard. Everything you do has a consequence and effects you spiritually including promiscuity. Like here, , Roosh describes how the game effected him. Is that really the type of guy I would want to marry? NO! In short, I do think my thing is a moral value thing, because I want someone who rises above their base nature and always struggles to do what’s right, and that’s what I want to do too forever.

        BTW. I am religious and will be looking for that in my mate. And like I said in the post above, the guy could be average in looks and wealth, being super hawt and desired by every woman isn’t exactly what I’m going for. Just definitely not the desperate guy Chloe mentions in her post.

      8. hv November 1, 2015 at 2:02 am

        ok, fair enough.. if you do mean what you say in your post above I can’t really find much fault with what you say. You sound pretty reasonable and like you have a good head on your shoulders.

        How old are you, can I ask?

        You make a somewhat good point about rising above your base nature. This is a problem philosophers have argued for a long time and probably will continue to argue about. Is man happiest when he follows his animal natures and appetites, sexual and otherwise.. or when he attempts to shed all of them and become “pure” in spirit ? As someone who is not religious and can’t bring myself to believe in a God or the supernatural, my answer to that question is that man needs to find a balance. It seems like a pretty banal and obvious point to make.. but it’s easier said than done. It requires more than simply human will to not succumb to your base animal nature.. and that’s where I think the role of social constraints and religious values are necessary. That’s what makes me more of a conservative than a liberal I suppose.. in that liberals believe men and women should be free to indulge in whatever appetites they have as long as it is consensual and isn’t harmful to anyone else. Conservatives argue that human beings need some restrictions and constraints on their behaviour because everything in life has a cost, including for example, sexual freedom, not only to the individual, but to the greater society at large… and the society has an interest in promoting behaviours that make a society strong and resilient and prosperous.. and that might require constraints on some human behaviour.

        The only argument or disagreement we might have on this is that you or other women demand men rise about their base natures and resist what is strongly coded in his genes, which is to have sex with lots of attractive women.. but I don’t see women demanding women also rise about their awfully picky and highly selective and shallow base natures, i.e, rejecting most men and finding only 5% of men worthy enough to sleep with when these women are in their hottest years. Women have always had high sexual power during their most sexiest and younger years.. but their sexual imperative is highly selective and extremely punishing to most men and leaves most men out in the sexual wilderness during their most virile and sexually potent years. One of the manosphere’s arguments is that if women are given too much sexual freedom and power, their hypergamous sexual natures damage other men and create conditions that make marriage and monogamy difficult if not impossible. I think women are too picky and selective for their own good and left to their devices, most women will refuse to settle for anyone but the top 5% of men.. and end up being part of a harem of rotating plates of highly sought after alpha males and never end up really getting married or having children. This is a detriment to those women, to other men who would have previously made good husbands and fathers, and a detriment to society at large.

        I agree with you though that promiscuity, both male and female, does take a toll on a person. The manosphere has this “theory” that women become incapable of “bonding” after riding too many alpha cocks but they don’t really have much evidence to back up this theory. I think it’s probably true that a lot of women are damaged by promiscuity simply because they do end up feeling used by men in a way that men just don’t feel after having sex with women. But promiscuity does carry a cost for men too.. how could it not really? When you’re always chasing after the thrill of banging some new woman and adding to your notch count, how can you possibly be content with one woman for the rest of your life? I mean monogamy is difficult for human beings as it is… it just makes monogamy even more difficult when you’ve led a highly promiscuous lifestyle before being with the woman you’re trying to commit to.

        P.S. I wasn’t trying to say black people are less than white people or anything like that. I am not white myself and have been subjected to racism in my life, including by women, who can be incredibly racist in their sexual preferences, so I wouldn’t never say or believe anything like that. But unfortunately it is a reality that we need to be aware about. I was simply pointing out an unfortunate but true fact.. that black women tend to be at the bottom as far as other men wanting to commit and marry them and have children with them. I see a lot of attractive black men who seem to think they’re too good for other black men and who are sleeping around with white men.. maybe thinking those men will decide to commit to them and marry them at some point.. but it rarely happens… and these black women don’t come to their senses until it’s way too late if even then. Anyway, you don’t seem to be like one of those women.

      9. PrincessMia November 1, 2015 at 2:34 pm

        I’m 21.

      10. Ashara Dayne November 3, 2015 at 10:30 pm

        Check out Enrique Iglesias, who is “hawt”. He could sleep around, but chooses not to. Maybe it’s because his father did, and he sees the drawbacks and doesn’t see it as a good role model. The whole post smacks of adversarial relationships, not love.

        It’s very telling that men bitch and whine about rejection to the degree that there are books and online courses available about succeeding in screwing around, and yet ultimately men want a woman who hasn’t done so. Maybe it would be better to go back to the older ways where most women saved themselves for marriage apart from the few poor souls who had to go into prostitution.

        Whatever, reading stuff like this makes me more inclined to become a lesbian radfem or whatever they’re called. Don’t like women particularly, tho. Don’t like 95% of men either.

    4. sky November 22, 2015 at 12:15 am

      Exactly. I would never be with a man who wasn’t a virgin if I was (my husband and I were both). I’d rather keep my life simple like that.

  4. Vegard Johansen October 26, 2015 at 9:53 am

    I hope the Jezebel sluts have swallowed their heart medication before reading this one:)
    BTW, I think point number two is the most important one.

    1. mwahaha October 26, 2015 at 12:31 pm

      I hope they haven’t :).

  5. Laguna Beach Fogey October 26, 2015 at 10:08 am

    Acceptable races are South American, Persian, Armenian, and European (non-Northern)…

    Persian? Are you sure? Persian girls can be very beautiful, but they’re notoriously difficult.

    1. Canuck Firebrand October 26, 2015 at 10:37 am

      Persian girls can be very beautiful, but they’re notoriously difficult.

      Can confirm this.

    2. Patriarchal Shitlord October 26, 2015 at 6:14 pm

      Well, he’s Persian himself, so it makes sense he would want a girl of the same ancestry.

    3. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 9:25 pm

      It’s what he wants.

    4. anon1 October 27, 2015 at 8:58 am

      I mean he’s half Persian, half Turkish so am guessing it’s if roosh wants to come back to his roots or something. Leaving the option out there for himself if he decides

      1. Truth October 27, 2015 at 11:54 am

        He’s half Armenian, not Turkish.

      2. anon1 October 27, 2015 at 12:31 pm

        You sure? I thought there was some video he talked about having a Turkish mum and Persian dad

      3. EuroDude707 October 27, 2015 at 4:52 pm

        No, mom is Armenian, but I guess her family comes from Turkey, so she will have Turkish culture, cooking etc. Or to be more precise; Byzantine culture and food, as the invading Muslim Turks pretty much came with zero culture and knowledge outside warfare.

    5. splooge June 14, 2016 at 5:12 pm

      DIfficult….totally agree.
      beautiful, alot of them can be drop dead, but keep in mind they are big on nose jobs and cake makeup.
      wierd they tend to be hit or misses but no in between

  6. jzak95 October 26, 2015 at 10:16 am

    So it’s clear that cities in Eastern Europe are westernizing. What about the countryside? How does that look for LTR/marriage material? Anyone know?

    1. Roosh October 26, 2015 at 12:26 pm

      I intend to find that out.

      1. Giorgio October 26, 2015 at 3:58 pm

        Hit up Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. Very traditional mindsets, most girls are virgins and do not have sex before marriage.

      2. TyKo Steamboat October 27, 2015 at 1:39 am

        I gamed an Azerbaijani chick from class.
        she was 25. Very attractive. Brought her home…Never made it past 1st base though. She told me, “I cannot have sex with you until you marry me.”
        I prolly hung out with her 4 times.
        She told me how she cant wear short-shorts or heels at home because of her dad. & how she loved wearing them on Firday nights. Such a drag…

      3. bucky October 27, 2015 at 5:24 pm

        i’ve heard the same, at least about georgia. supposedly you’re allowed to third base, but sex before marriage is not going to happen.

      4. John Galt October 27, 2015 at 5:33 pm

        Georgian women do NOT age well from what I have heard. – Caveat emptor

      5. ElHombre October 26, 2015 at 5:01 pm

        In my mind there is only one place left in the world that offers most of what neomasculine men are after. All of Europe is doomed, as there’re only a handful of countries that remain non-EU. With part of Ukraine falling victim to toxic Western world ideas (hipsters etc.), I pray that Serbia remains immune, as Russia is.

      6. spicynujac October 26, 2015 at 10:04 pm

        Rural Bang, © 2017, Roosh

    2. bucky October 27, 2015 at 5:23 pm

      i have no experience in poland, but i always tell guys who are planning on hitting ukraine or russia to avoid the capital and bigger cities like st. pete or kharkov and focus on second- and third-tier cities. cherkassy, zythomyr, and poltava would be good third-tier cities in ukraine.

      1. Simply Balling June 14, 2016 at 3:54 pm

        Why should they avoid the big cities?

      2. positron1 June 14, 2016 at 4:45 pm

        big cities like kiev, moscow, and peter are expensive and people (especially girls) are far less likely to be impressed that you’re american/some other kind of westerner. in my town of 250,000 in ukraine i’d sometimes have people react with utter astonishment at realizing they were talking to an american. a colleague of mine and i attended a high school activity in a small town in rural ukraine once and were actually cheered like rock stars when we walked in.

        i wouldn’t go too small though. something in the 200k-300k range like the ukrainian towns i mentioned is best. the small villages are rough, and there aren’t going to be a lot of girls.

  7. Bear Hands October 26, 2015 at 10:34 am

    My 6 requirements are all on this list. 4 is not on my list (yet). I can look through my family tree to my great, great grandfather and see his genes dominating the appearance of the male offspring despite skin color. Seeing these requirements all laid out reinforces my goals to be a better man.

    I hope our children or grandchildren will not have to waste so much time on low-value sluts to hone their craft finely enough to land a good woman.

  8. Anon. October 26, 2015 at 10:38 am

    It is a serious mistake to marry in Russia or Ukraine.

    What he is looking for can only be found in Muslim societies. Russia is incredibly degenerate, in a different way from the West, but still presents serious obstacles for a fulfilling marriage and family life. Their religion is not taken seriously enough, their attitude is divorce-friendly and quite frankly they make horrible mothers. It is also curious you mention point 3, as in Russia the higher on the beauty scale you go, the more traditional her mindset is. I would even go as far as saying that the hottest ones would likely be your best bet if Russia were the only option, the correlation in that country between beauty and a traditional mindset is staggering.

    However, even the most traditional-minded girls in Russia are not traditional enough. For maximum chance of success in marriage and family, one must convert to Islam, move to a heavily religious Muslim state, and marry a local girl through the Mosque. As far as I understand, Roosh has connections in Iran, so perhaps that is where he should set his focus.

    1. Roosh October 26, 2015 at 12:31 pm

      I agree that Russia/Ukraine is decadent but I see many guys wifing up girls I wouldn’t in spite of the girls’ questionable values. A tougher and more methodical selection system is needed where you don’t fall for their makeup/heels game and innocent act.

      1. Anon. October 26, 2015 at 12:45 pm

        That is like saying you could find a proper wife in New York, through a “tougher and more methodical selection system”.

        If the culture is wrong, the culture is wrong. There are many girls in Russia with good intentions, they are not necessarily out to get you, but the underlying cultural mindsets will backlash over the long term.

      2. Barwin October 26, 2015 at 6:05 pm

        “If the culture is wrong, the culture is wrong.” I agree with this. I’ve traveled a lot and lived in different countries. The narrative wants us to believe that “everyone is an individual”, but the reality is that people – and especially people’s opinions – are nothing but regurgitations of what their culture tells them to think. Culture robots if you will. Cultural brainwashing. When you see two people from a certain country behave a certain way, it’s safe to say “over there they’re all like that, or at least 99+ percent”.

      3. spicynujac October 26, 2015 at 10:05 pm

        Yes, I would say that a girl from Muslim culture would most appeal to me. However, I have zero interest in living in or participating in a Muslim culture, so I don’t know where that leaves me.

      4. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 9:24 pm

        Sound like my type of girls!

  9. Morrison October 26, 2015 at 11:01 am

    Good luck in trying to find a female who is not completely broken, and good luck trying to find a country that still advocates those 7 requirements in their women. Ukraine and Russia still have hardships enough trying to survive, and eventually your east euro female will start to resent you for not buying the Hermitage.

    1. bucky October 27, 2015 at 5:29 pm

      “eventually your east euro female will start to resent you for not buying the Hermitage.”

      heheh. well said. that was basically my experience after bringing my little russian hottie back to the US, like an idiot.

      1. Morrison October 27, 2015 at 6:00 pm

        Well Bucky I hope she didn’t fleece you in divorce court. I also know that sometimes with the right russian chick it is easy to have one’s judgement clouded because of her beauty and sweetness.

      2. bucky October 27, 2015 at 7:01 pm

        yeah, russian girls will make it hard for you to think with your brain.
        the first few years with her just seem like a haze of blow jobs and
        promises to be with me forever when i think back on them now. i was a clueless beta at the time, so i had no chance.

        my strategy with the divorce was to give her (almost) all my stuff as long as she checked the box that said i never, ever had to pay alimony. i didn’t have that much stuff to begin with and i knew i could get back on my feet, which i did.

  10. Zelcorpion October 26, 2015 at 11:19 am

    The problem with Polish girls is that there are few who want to have children by the age of 18-25. However if you broaden your search around smaller towns, then you might find more of them. Actually that is the case everywhere around the world.

    I have made the experience that of such girls many don’t even take in all the mental attitudes from the big cities, which means that they still retain their traditional viewpoint after having moved to a bigger city.

    Another option is to aim for a girl who is a bit older in the 26-30 age range or to take a 23 year old Ukrainian, Romanian girl to a country that is safer and more comfortable like Poland, but not too enticing and feminist like the US or Western Europe.

    Personally I think that this is not an impossible undertaking. What’s probably more difficult is to stay “faithful” or to find special arrangements with such a woman – after having tasted so much sexual variety as a man.

    1. Roland from Poland October 26, 2015 at 12:29 pm

      Actually quite a few do want to start a family “early” – however they invariably don’t speak English.

      If you’re looking for a wife in EE – learn the fucking language. No excuses.

      1. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 9:21 pm

        You mean those pretty EE girls don’t speak English!?

      2. Roland from Poland November 13, 2015 at 6:00 am

        Some do, some don’t. Those who don’t tend to be of significantly better quality as marriage material.

        Of those who want to start a family at a normal age (~20 y.o.), nearly all don’t.

      3. Batman3.0 January 8, 2016 at 2:17 pm

        I have said it before and people look at me like I am from Mars.
        I would not marry a woman past her mid 20s because I want healthy children and one of a woman’s greatest assets is her youth.
        Why should I be entitled to give the best years of my life (mid 30s to mid 50s) to a woman that has not given me the best years of her life (late teens to early 30s) to me?

    2. Anon. October 26, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      The men here have clearly misunderstood the purpose of Eastern Europe. The reason we go there is for high quality short-term-relationships in the FSU, and place-spinning pleasant girls in Poland, Czech etc.

      We don’t go to these places to fucking marry. The girls are fine for the purposes stated above, but to suggest that you could make a Romanian girl the mother of your children is ridiculous. Romania is the number one country of origin for prostitutes the world over. These sexually liberal women are fine, even preferable when the intentions are not serious, but one should never make the leap to consider them adequate for long-term engagements.

      It is also an error to beleive that just because a girl is from the countryside she will different. The girls in a village 100 miles from London are not less sluttier than the ones actually in London. The same applies in every other nation. Only serious geographical barriers can act as cultural barriers. Hence you see the cultural homogeneization of all EU countries. No geographical barrier means no cultural barrier, and there certainly isn’t any difference from a girl in a city and one 50km from that city.

      1. RichieIncog88 October 26, 2015 at 7:01 pm

        “No geographical barrier means no cultural barrier” is a pretty random statement. Languages and national history/culture play a big role in certain European countries (especially those with only 10 million people and a rich history). The only issue you seem to care about is sexual promiscuity. It’s not hard to find women in countries like Hungary that have had less than 3 sexual partners. That’s how it is if you date politically and socially conservative women, such as jobbik or fidesz supporters. Most of them are only looking for serious long-term relationships and you can verify how many men they talk to easily after a few dates. It’s quite refreshing checking their phones and seeing no other man besides me messaging them. Sounds like you just have a narrative in your head of all women being huge sluts and haven’t actually encountered conservative ones. There are plenty of sensible conservative women but I doubt you would be persuaded by even the most compelling evidence due to the hard-lined negative stance presented here. You seem pretty bitter and biased, but I guess there’s no way to change that.

      2. Anon. October 27, 2015 at 1:12 am

        I believe that this is what Roosh thought about Poland before he got smacked over the face with reality.

    3. Batman3.0 January 8, 2016 at 2:19 pm

      Why should I be obligated to give the best years of my life (mid 30s to mid 50s) to a woman that has not given me the best years of her life (late teens to early 30s) to me?

  11. ActionJackson23 October 26, 2015 at 11:43 am

    “When I come home from work (at the cafe)”


    Good list though I would definitely require a virgin … a couple prior cocks is a couple too many …

    1. Earl Henson November 3, 2015 at 6:48 pm

      So you like fat chicks?

      1. ActionJackson23 November 25, 2015 at 5:59 pm

        I like your Mom so I guess the answer is yes …

  12. Dave October 26, 2015 at 11:47 am

    Good luck.

  13. PearlyGirl October 26, 2015 at 11:48 am

    Gawd why did I have to be Black.
    Now im never getting a husband 🙁

    1. MajorStyles October 26, 2015 at 2:01 pm

      I like how you took one man”s personal preference and ran it through the hamsterland.

      1. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 9:19 pm

        Agreed. People can’t have an opinion anymore? He’s screening a potential wife/mother of his future children not someone interviewing for a job. Talk about thin skin.

    2. Bear Hands October 26, 2015 at 2:45 pm

      You don’t like black men? Racist.

    3. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 9:07 pm

      I have met a couple successful white (and non-black) men that are married to high value black women.
      This is Roosh’s list.

    4. Bavieca October 27, 2015 at 11:50 pm

      You’re not into black men and white women? Homophobic waycease.

    5. armenia4ever November 1, 2015 at 1:48 am

      Nah, chin up.

      I dated a black girl, and if she hadn’t had that “strong independent, don’t need no man, black woman” attitude to her, things would have worked better.

      Use your femine charms and respect the man you date, and you’ll do fine.

      You may have to date outside your race though.

  14. Oliver Maerk October 26, 2015 at 11:55 am

    A good list. It’s important to have high
    standards otherwise you very quickly ran into an average women who cannot level
    with you. It’s essential not to acquire a women of quality and not the usual
    chicks make up the majority of the female.


  15. rationalize October 26, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    Roosh roosh roosh ..

    #1 and #2 are issues ..

    #1 18-25 yo … She will pine later in life for the carousel she missed, and the travel she did not do .. and she will blame you for her missing out. They just do this. They all fkn do this. Find a girl who’s 29, and beaten down by the world, and she will stick with you forever — partly to escape the carousel. Many times I have heard the 29-31 yo say “I’m so happy i got married. Now I don’t have to go out any more.”. Many better girls actually hate going to bars and clubs, they ride only a few social-circle cocks, and they prefer to be in one or two LTRs in their 20s before they marry. As for being too old to have a few kids. No. Up to 35 yo is fine these days for the last kid. Maybe up to 37 yo (if you still want to hit that). A word of good advice is to have the kids close together. Re-use all the baby toys and shit. Deal with sleepless nights with a crying infants in one block if possible. It’s a ball ache. But that’s the way it is. Better once than again and again spaced apart.

    #2 Virgin / low notch count for her: This can be a big issue. This is the girl who feels entitled .. this is the girl who is a late bloomer … this is the girl who bangs the pool cleaning man later in life, just to know what it’s like. She undervalues a good man .. because she is unaware of how she would be treated by a bad man.

    If you want to marry and / or have kids, the responsible reliable wifely woman is 29, lonely, has travelled (didn’t like it), has gone to nightclubs (didn’t like it), has a skilled job, but not an office, not a corporate job — she’s a dentist, a vet, a florist, a nurse. She’s banged a few guys who were introduced to her by friends, but got tired of it. Maybe a couple of LTRs. And she’s independent because she has interests, rather than a corporate career. Ideally she is an only child. They will cling to you for life.


    However, please remember:

    The divorce industrial complex -is- the same as the child support industry.

    Please google “Thomas Ball manifesto” for a great example of how the family court operates in practice. – . This is a guy driven to self-immolation by the family court mechanisms. Similar mechanisms in nearly all anglo countries.

    Have a kid anywhere (ex-middle-east), and she has you by the balls.

    Thanks to laws written for gays… and now forced on hetero men… in many countries you don’t have to actually be married to have a divorce style financial settlement ass-reaming. “Living together” for a couple of years enacts the same laws. (The same “protections” for her).

    Women with kids literally *get paid* to find another man.

    But *when* they get fat, or insolent, you literally have to pay them to go away.

    Then you’re back to approaching sluts .. but you’re older .. and you have zero money.


    I think the solution is to run a harem, and include one single mum .. whom you kind of use as a girlfriend. If she lets you get to know her kids, then that box is kind of ticked. You get to influence the lives of a a few young people — if that’s what you want. And, the beautiful part is, some other poor bastard of a guy is buying their meals, and paying their school fees. Also .. if / when you find this single mum to be annoying, or too fat, and you ditch her, you have had your time playing the role of a part-time step-dad, ticked that box, and you can leave without paying her a cent in child support. The richest and most financially care-free girls I’ve banged recently were single mums .. living in “his house”. Ideally: Be the new guy. Never be the sperm guy.

    1. Anon. October 26, 2015 at 1:03 pm

      “Find a girl who’s 29, and beaten down by the world, and she will stick with you forever — to escape the carousel.”

      Wow. You have a long way to go my friend. Perhaps when life punches you across the jawline you may learn something.

      1. OrthodoxChristian October 26, 2015 at 2:19 pm

        “Wow. You have a long way to go my friend. Perhaps when life punches you across the jawline you may learn something.”

        Don’t try to court and marry those eighteen year old virgins, they might “pine later in life for the carousel she missed.”

        Instead date those women who are “29, and beaten down by the world, and she will stick with you forever — to escape the carousel,” (every Beta male thinks this) and those single moms “whom you kind of use as a girlfriend. If she lets you get to know [and possibly fall in love with] her kids, then that box is kind of ticked. You get to influence the lives of a a few young people — if that’s what you want.”

        Too clever by half.

      2. rationalize October 26, 2015 at 7:00 pm

        Thank you so much. We should keep in touch. It’s nice to meet someone like minded.

      3. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 9:11 pm

        I think he was joking.

      4. rationalize October 26, 2015 at 9:13 pm

        oh. my mistake. gosh, i feel ridiculed now. hopefully he will post more interesting items that we can all learn from.

      5. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 9:14 pm


      6. rationalize October 26, 2015 at 6:59 pm

        You’re right. I’d really like your tutoring. Do you run seminars?

    2. spicynujac October 26, 2015 at 10:09 pm

      The only benefit here I see is there is something beneficial in her having dated some really shitty guys before because that will make her Disney Princess expectations a bit more reasonable. But there are problems with wifing up a used girl as well. I guess ideally she dated a loser in high school but never slept with him.

      1. rationalize October 26, 2015 at 10:16 pm

        I agree with this.

        The “Disney Princess” idea that all virgin girls have is total poison to a LTR / Wife situation. They will divorce you eventually, for not being the Blue Prince.

        She will expect the pedestal .. if you game her for years, of if you work like a beta bitch for her .. she will still eventually bang the pool guy, or literally run off with an outlaw biker.

        Virgins are hard work. Exhausting … Slightly damaged women are the best.

        If you’re a moderately nice guy to a damaged chick who wants kids, she will think you’re awesome.

      2. spicynujac October 26, 2015 at 10:23 pm

        Yeah, good friend of mine married an American virgin, who spent many years abroad with her missionary parents, and she almost drove him to divorce her in the first year. Very demanding, unreasonable, argumentative, and doesn’t let him have his space. She never had any serious boyfriend before, and so she has nothing to compare him to but Hollywood and romance novels.

        There’s a super hot early 20s fitness instructor I’ve been flirting with who has only had 1 boyfriend her whole life and is now single. I think she would try to suck me into relationship phase really quickly and she may even be a virgin. But she is pure American and pretty sure she would expect the pedestal and monopolize my time. My time is more valuable than any pussy.

      3. rationalize October 26, 2015 at 10:46 pm

        So bang her for a while .. and when she inevitably becomes whiney and bitchy .. say sayonara. If the pussy is there for the slaying .. you really have a responsibility to bang her. We are just men remember.

        I’ve been through two LTRs with virgins .. (sluts in between), and married the second one, .. divorced her later .. and can say -never again-. You have to teach them everything. And of course, they give you little back. What you do get is a girl you can mould into what you want. But, as soon as they *imagine* their life should be better, you’re screwed.

        Everything is about comparison.

        If she has no knowledge of what a bad relationship is like, then she will not appreciate a good one.

        In addition, inexperienced girls are highly susceptible to game from other guys. If another guy shoots reasonable game at her, you will always have to AMOG him .. she has never developed a bitch shield, because she has not experienced night clubs, and bars much.

        Virgins / inexperienced girls are hard work. And when it goes wrong, or she becomes annoying, it’s twice as bad, because you know you are better than the the next guy she’s imagining.

      4. spicynujac October 27, 2015 at 10:48 am

        Very true words. Everything is about comparison. Doesn’t this explain why foreign women are much more feminine than Americunts? America used to have beautiful, feminine, loving women. Foreign women have a harder, more traditional, less decadent life, and are therefore superior feminine women. Also, cameljockey on here had a similar failed experience with marrying a virgin.

      5. rationalize October 27, 2015 at 11:18 am

        On foreign women .. Actually there was a third virgin later, a foreigner. An 18 month relationship. I had presumed that the femininity I saw on the outside was true on the inside, but I think I was wrong. I was unsure then, and I’m still unsure now. She was 20 when I met her, but, as I began to know her a little better, that faded. There is a degree of acting — they’re tigers on the inside. The “true nature of women” article is a valid observation.

        She was based in one of the more traditional south east asian countries, (not Thailand), where men are still men, and women have traditional household roles. They may work a little outside the home .. but kids and home come first. They put beauty above career, and have a focus on “looking after their man”, and keeping their family strong. #1 priority.

        I had recently come out of a western marriage where we both earned about the same amount, me earning say 25% more than her .. professionals .. graduate degrees .. office jobs .. “equals”, we were always splitting bills. My money is mine. Hers is hers. Separate bank accounts.

        The south east asian girl was different. Yes feminine. Yes quite beautiful — however, largely helpless. If you have a traditional woman, you are forced into the traditional male role. You actually are the bread winner .. and she consumes your bread .. with both hands. While this is not necessarily a bad thing, she can become somewhat of an albatross around your neck.

        Traditional means responsibility. Traditional limits your choices as a man.

        You actually have to live up the the old expectations of men. You have to affirm your commitment to her, and show that you do care .. (or at least pretend convincingly). You have to go along to family gatherings that are boring, and pay homage to her relatives whom you may not actually respect.

        Yes femininity. But attached is tiresome traditional obligation.

        The west is degenerate, and the women are on the whole vapid, tedious to spend time with — but as a man, you are largely free. Your responsibilities are small, and, most women can look after themselves…. There is little worry. If you are irritated by her, have to ditch her for your own well being, she will be fine. — Ditch a traditional girl, and her life may not be the same again. There is shame, and there is still labelling as “damaged goods”. The unwind of a traditional relationship is hard, if you have a shred of morality in you. She needs a man, for her to be a complete person socially, and economically. To leave her for your own reasons takes some courage, and can give you pause or thought.

        You cannot leave her better than she was when you found her.

      6. spicynujac October 27, 2015 at 12:09 pm


      7. hv October 28, 2015 at 1:22 am

        Very interesting thoughts.. You clearly speak from experience. Like Roosh and a lot of men, I have in instinctual revulsion with the idea of long-terming or wifeying up a woman who’s had multiple other cocks.. but I think your advice about finding a slightly damaged woman who’s had some experience is solid. A woman like that is more likely to appreciate a guy who treats her halfway decent and keeps his word, like you described. Marrying a virgin female can be a disaster and difficult for many of the reasons you mentioned.. she will always feel like she has missed out on other “experiences” i.e., cocks, and I’ve heard many horror stories of virgin wives who went into full slut mode after a few years of marriage.

    3. TyKo Steamboat October 27, 2015 at 1:27 am

      “notch count” doesn’t matter for me
      Just so long as she hasn’t 1.) done porn 2.) (has) an STD 3.) had some other mans kid through natural child birth.

    4. Tom Kalina November 3, 2015 at 11:02 pm

      No, no, no!!!! Cock carouselers are intolerable. Any 29 yo who says “I’m tired of dating just to date” or “I drink a lot less than I used to” or any other “my-best-years-are-over-I-just-want-a-husband” praddle should be dropped like third period French.

      1. rationalize November 3, 2015 at 11:10 pm

        Please explain your reasoning.

  16. Robert17 October 26, 2015 at 1:23 pm

    “My experience shows that a woman who doesn’t believe in god has a value system taught to her by corporations and progressive degenerates.”

    This is a powerful insight. I think the best odds are girls from religious families, where the marriage is long and stable, and they go to church fairly regularly.

  17. SHAMPOO BRACELETS October 26, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    BMI must be lower than 20 and her waist-hip ratio shall never be more than 0.7.

  18. Anonymous Cop October 26, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    If you think of how children affect the long term rather than the short term, the decision is obvious.

    Infancy is rough but doesn’t last long. Decades of the most special of human relationships (parent and child) are granted after a few short months of work.

    Besides, why let your genes fizzle out now? What a shitty time to disappear.

  19. FormrCanadian October 26, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    Just for fun decided to see how my wife matches the criteria mentioned in the article:
    1. She must be between 18-25 years old
    “Well, my wife is in her late 30s, and we have 2 kids.”

    2. She must have less than three prior sexual partners, though I prefer a virgin
    “I’ve never really asked her about how many partners she’d had.”

    3. Her physical attractiveness should hover around the 7 range
    “My wife is a fitness instructor herself. ”

    4. Her skin tone should be within two shades of myself
    “She’s tanned and well taken care of ”

    5. She must be feminine
    “She sure knows how to dress properly, wear make up, have an own opinion.”

    6. She must want to be a traditional stay-at-home mother
    “Nope. We both work and share responsibilities at home.”

    7. She must believe in a god
    “she does”.

    1. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 9:15 pm

      Is she Canadian or American?

      1. TyKo Steamboat October 27, 2015 at 1:24 am

        That dude lives in South West Ukraine.

      2. FormrCanadian October 27, 2015 at 3:02 pm

        Yup, correct.

      3. FormrCanadian October 27, 2015 at 3:01 pm

        My wife is 50% Russian and 50% Ukrainian;)

      4. Batman3.0 October 27, 2015 at 6:34 pm

        Very good sir.

      5. hv October 28, 2015 at 1:30 am

        Hello former Canadian. Current Canadian here. Do you mind if I ask where did you meet your wife? In Russia or Ukraine? It sounds like you have a pretty Westernized, feminist view when it comes to what you want in a wife and marriage.. so I’m not sure why you couldn’t have met such a woman here in Canada.

    2. ElHombre October 27, 2015 at 12:05 am

      You share homemaking responsibilities? To the curb she goes!

      1. FormrCanadian October 27, 2015 at 3:00 pm

        Yes, we DO share homemaking responsibilities;) Ain’t nothing bad in it. We’ve been doing that for over 7 years now and still going strong;)

      2. ElHombre October 28, 2015 at 3:37 pm

        Sounds like… An equal household… Equality… You mean to say that you see each other as equals? Maybe you wouldn’t have to help your poor woman if she didn’t work in the first place……..As it is meant to be. #BringBackThePatriarchy

  20. advancedatheist October 26, 2015 at 2:57 pm

    7. She must believe in a god

    I’ve reluctantly come around to agreeing that women need religious beliefs to help keep them in line, especially because atheists in general have adopted feminism as the “rational” philosophy about women. I have yet to meet a female atheist who displays what I would consider good emotional health and a sensible outlook on the relationship between the sexes.

    If you think about it, we lost something when we secularized sexual relationships. In a traditional Christian culture, the girls could reject the advances of the sexually yucky men by saying that god forbids fornication. This deflected attention away from the real reason, and it had the effect of sparing the rejects’ feelings. The rejects wanted to obey god as well, and they could maintain the illusion that a god loves them regardless, even if women don’t.

    Now women can give more or less the real reason for rejection: You don’t make me wet, so go away and leave me alone. The secular man who receives scores of such rejections must wind up feeling really bad about himself eventually. When you abandon imaginary religious reasons for living, that leaves material ones grounded in biology. Deprive a young man of the possibility of having a sex life, and what does he have left? No wonder one of these rejects goes on a murder rampage every few months.

    1. RationaliseThis October 27, 2015 at 11:24 am

      The atheism thing is a furphy. Left wingers, which essentially includes feminists and those in the grievance industry certainly have very crazy attitudes that are anti family. There are conservative women that simply are not religious because they are either to intelligent to believe that nonsense but are still dedicated to make a marriage work.

    2. Truth October 27, 2015 at 11:57 am

      Yes, at least among western atheists. Most atheists actually live in East Asia, amongst the Confucian cultures of China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam and Taiwan. These cultures mix atheism along with conservative social values and gender roles.

  21. ezzywin October 26, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    Roosh you’ll look back on your life with regret, first of all for not realizing that you’re past your reproductive fitness peak same as women your age. Also that you are scared of women, scared of intimacy, scared of a little power “exchange” with women who possess power as well, and compliment one another’s weak and strong suits. Children you have will grow up in a dictatorial dogmatic household, and be sterile and nearly soulless and will contribute to the collapse of the moral fiber and family structure of the world.

    Part of love is struggle, learning, discovery, vulnerability…you seek to have delivered to you a custom girl with all the sides and fixins’ then on top of that not to be too great as to damage your fragile insecure ego. trust me I took down 150+ women in my peak time which is long past; I wasn’t afraid to cry and be the fool at times and be human….

    I wonder how many men have already been spiritually sterilized by your ideologies…

    I do like reading you, but it’s a more and more slippery slope from Rooshv to Martin Burney…

    1. greyghost1 October 26, 2015 at 3:37 pm

      There is no moral fiber in the west. what are you worried about.

    2. Mark Kimmel October 26, 2015 at 9:44 pm

      lol men and women are not biologically identical. men can have kids well into their 40s. women carry a lot of risk having kids after 35.

      1. spicynujac October 26, 2015 at 10:11 pm

        40s? Men can do it into their late 50s or beyond if need be. Although I don’t wanna be a pensioner going to my son’s high school graduation.

      2. ezzywin October 26, 2015 at 10:27 pm

        Too busy fault-finding women to realize that men’s DNA erodes over time too, fertility declines, quality declines, and genetic defects increase….its just NOT all about us men all the time, irrefutable truth.

      3. TyKo Steamboat October 27, 2015 at 1:21 am

        My mom had twins at 42. No problem.
        This whole concept is an old theory. Look around the world, population ain’t a real issue, eh?

  22. RedPillRenegade October 26, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    You should’ve hung on to Anna.

    1. spro23 October 26, 2015 at 6:56 pm

      don’t kid yourself, good girls are attracted to players and badboys.
      that’s game101. their attraction to you will override any logical reasons you mention.

      1. RedPillRenegade October 26, 2015 at 7:58 pm

        That’s 2005 PUA hype talk. Good girls raised in a traditional, religious culture and importantly, with a strong patriarch in their life are not chasing bad boys. They want a man their father and social circle would approve of. This still does exist in the West, but only amongst the upper crust, think British or New England or post-Antebellum old money families, or the very actively religious(like Mormons). It’s typically damaged women raised by single mothers that are most likely to be like this. A woman doesn’t want a man that’s a complete limp wrist, but that doesn’t mean she wants a lifelong playa either. It’s not one extreme or the other.

      2. dust October 26, 2015 at 10:29 pm

        exactly. Girls from stable nuclear families pick decent men. We are mistaking girls from broken homes as the default. PUA culture spends an inordinate amount of time trying to game girls from broken homes. This is a losing battle. Its like night and day between dating girls from stable homes vs non stable homes.

      3. ElHombre October 27, 2015 at 12:04 am

        But let’s not forget the universal truths about all women. regardless of attitude (bad boy etc.), it’s your behaviour that accounts for a lot of her attraction for you. Think of CH’s 16 commandments of poon.

    2. Clark Kent October 26, 2015 at 9:50 pm

      For every globe trotting dreamer there is ten thousand dudes who spent years on the couch.
      Roosh will be fine.

    3. sabril October 29, 2015 at 6:21 am

      “Problem is, wanting a girl who is morally traditional and a believer in
      god, yet who will overlook the decade you spent wandering the planet
      living a lascivious lifestyle”

      Even if the girl is willing to overlook it, her parents will not be. And the kind of girl Roosh wants will accept her parents’ decision on an issue like this. I would guess Roosh has very little experience with truly traditional girls. They don’t go to bars or clubs often, and they don’t react positively to a strange man approaching them on the street.

  23. greyghost1 October 26, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    Looking at this list you plan on being childless. Use a surrogate. Buy an egg from a woman that is your type and have a child on your own. Hire a nanny and have a career tat allows you time. Hate to see another man fall for the baby rabies and stick himself with some worthless cunt so he can have children

  24. Matthew October 26, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    Do you fulfill their requirements and those of their families? What about her father?

    1. sabril October 29, 2015 at 6:23 am

      That’s what I posted above. The kind of girl Roosh wants will defer to her parents’ advice. And once her parents learn who he is, they will reject him very quickly.

  25. k8 October 26, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    The only women who even come close to meeting that are the Duggar girls, and they’re not looking to marry a player who is 10+ years older than them. Not to mention there is no way in hell you’d ever be able to get the approval of the families of these girls. I guess you could always try to marry a female refugee….

    1. spro23 October 26, 2015 at 7:28 pm

      if you hung around a church and socialized with the community you could date the younger women. Women are attracted to any man with proper game, as proper ‘game’ isn’t anything more than being well socialized and a high value man.

  26. YosarriansRight October 26, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    Great list Roosh. I wish you the best with whichever path you choose.

    Being a few years older than you, I was at that fork in the road: “Take the plunge and have kid(s) or not.” I chose not to. I occasionally get the urge, but looking around at the world in general, it’s going to get worse before it gets better – do I want to have my kids go through that? I don’t.

    It’ll be interesting to see which path you take.

    1. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 8:58 pm

      I am at that fork too.
      I was born/raised in a nuclear family; and I want the same for my future children and grandchildren.
      America has gone to the dogs! In many parts of the US divorce and single parent families are considered normal while the nuclear family is viewed as obscene.
      I have come to the conclusion that my future wife (and mother of my children) will not be an American.

    2. spicynujac October 26, 2015 at 10:12 pm

      If you have a sibling who marries, having a neice or nephew takes away the vast majority of that urge, I’ve found.

    3. spicynujac October 26, 2015 at 10:27 pm

      Also I have to agree. The biggest impediment to me having kids is not wanting to raise them in this shitty world we live in. Plus, what if they turned out blue pill? haha

  27. lalabamba October 26, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    The high value man is not the one who has a lot of sexual partners- I don’t know where people get that from. The high value man is the one with morals. He should have life experience, not sexual experience. All past sexual experience is technically wasted time and irrelevant when it comes to a serious relationship. You will have to pretend it didn’t happen. As a result, the woman will doubt that you have real life experience. What hypocrisy to expect a woman with morals when you don’t have morals yourself. Over the years, her will power and inner strength will have become stronger, while yours is weak because you gave into temptation. Any woman with morals will see this weakness, and weakness in a man is not attractive.

    1. ElHombre October 26, 2015 at 4:46 pm

      It’s not really an issue for men to cheat. As long as no one finds out. For women, on the other hand, having high notch counts is something they are not likely to recover from. Men and women are different. It isn’t a hypocrisy. Oh, you wouldn’t understand, seeing as you’re likely a Latin American female. If you’re not female, then you need to understand a few things. A good start is the entire archives 😀

      1. lalabamba October 26, 2015 at 4:54 pm

        I agree that we are different and that having multiple partners is psychologically more damaging for women, but can you really say betrayal has no effect on the man? Won’t cheating eventually give him the itch to divorce?

      2. ElHombre October 26, 2015 at 5:31 pm

        Precisely, different in many ways, including emotionally. A man can usually control his emotions. Of course, if there is no incentive to cheat (he is satisfied with his wife in bed) and she’s is highly attractive and doesn’t feel like variety, then I guess he won’t cheat. But by nature men aren’t usually monogamous. A man will do whatever he feels like doing. Morals and hypocrisies aren’t part of the question.

      3. lalabamba October 26, 2015 at 5:50 pm

        In your view, then, there is nothing morally wrong with cheating?

      4. Vivian October 26, 2015 at 7:59 pm

        Not if its a man fucking around. Lying, cheating, maybe taking home an StD to your wife. .. That’s all fine- if you are a man- in Elhombres world. But if a woman does it… Well she is a whore. Most men are not Elhombre, thank goodness.

        Cheating is never moral. Period. Forgivable yes. But please let’s hold people accountable and stop excusing them based on their gender. This goes for both sexes btw. Womens’ wayward behavior is also pardoned all too easily as well. That’s another topic, however..

      5. lalabamba October 31, 2015 at 5:06 pm

        Saying ‘it is okay to cheat’ is the same logic behind the obesity problem. it is like saying ‘I like fattening foods, and I am naturally drawn to fattening foods, so it is morally good that I should eat as much as I want.’

      6. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 8:26 pm

        A cheating husband might divorce his wife but a cheating wife will divorce her husband. Men are usually driven to divorce their wives for other reasons, not just the sex…it’s probably the nagging.

      7. RedPillRenegade October 26, 2015 at 5:07 pm

        Cheating is like a drug in the sense that once you break that barrier the first time it gets easier and easier to keep doing it. And it’s not like infidelity is satiable. You won’t do it one time and be satisfied. You’ll likely want to keep doing it again and again as long as you don’t get caught. Then you risk destroying your family and your kids and assets being taken away in a divorce.

      8. ElHombre October 26, 2015 at 5:35 pm

        “Then you risk destroying your family and your kids and assets being taken away in a divorce.”
        Not for the neomasculine man. I assume you’re referring to the West here. He wouldn’t marry in this type of environment and risk getting divorce raped. He wouldn’t marry a women from this kind of society. He wouldn’t even choose to REMAIN there.

      9. RedPillRenegade October 26, 2015 at 6:35 pm

        Divorce can happen anywhere. Russian women seem to be paraded around these parts as perfect women for some reason, but the divorce rate in Russia is pretty high.

      10. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 8:16 pm

        I am not claiming married men should cheat…but which scenario is more damaging to the marriage and family structure?
        The married man with 3 kids and a housewife that has sex with another woman once or twice a year…or the housewife that has sex with another man once or twice a year?
        Everyone (male and female) knows deep down inside which one is more treacherous.

      11. lalabamba October 26, 2015 at 8:27 pm

        According to this logic, the only thing that wouldn’t be damaging is for the married man to go have sex with another man. whether it is the housewife or the ‘other woman,’ in either scenario a woman is being damaged.

      12. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 10:01 pm

        The degree of damage is much different. One scenario can be repaired more easily than the other. A man that is always faithful to a good wife should be applauded but anyone that knows about human nature knows which scenario requires more restraint. The man that does not cheat on his wife is practicing more self-control than the woman that does not cheat on her husband because he is reigning in his biological and masculine nature.

      13. lalabamba October 26, 2015 at 10:16 pm

        So what can a woman do to keep him loyal despite this natural inclination of men? As decades go her beauty and youth will fade. It seems the best option is to have children young so that when the husband is older and sees young attractive women, he will see them more as daughters than as potential mates.

  28. Anonymous October 26, 2015 at 5:16 pm

    Roosh, just ask your father for a virgin wife from Iran who lives somewhere in the mountains, was raised by her parents to become a housewife and has only seen a few hours of Western media at best. You proposed this a few times in your books/articles and I honestly think it’s your best bet. They can easily fit all the requirements you have listed. The only problem will be the language, cultural and visa barrier, but that’s fixable.

    1. spro23 October 26, 2015 at 7:06 pm

      I work with a programmer who is from Iran. since the sanctions were lifted he said I could go visit there if I wanted.
      If you don’t have a connection, the Iran government forces you to stick to an itinerary with guided tours, so you’d be really limited to where you could go.
      My friend is from there so I’ll be able to go a lot more places…I’m curious how the women will be there.

    2. Snowden October 26, 2015 at 7:49 pm

      There are dating services to meet girls from towns in Russia. There’s a website where a few guys chronicled their experiences dating a bunch of these girls are then moving into marriage. You’re still gonna need game because women are women but at least these girls have the potential to have not been ruined by status whoring and feminism, yet.

      1. Snowden October 27, 2015 at 5:00 am


      2. Anonymous October 27, 2015 at 1:13 pm

        >dating services
        >to meet girls from towns
        Pick one.

        Traditionally valued “girls from towns” don’t use “dating services”. At all. They acquire hubbies by social circles, most often through family connections. If any of these girls would use a dating service, that would be a red flag. Especially because these dating services are not pro bono and somewhere down the line financial compensation is given to the executor of that service.

    3. mclovin89 October 28, 2015 at 3:51 pm

      saw a documentry of of flase marriages an they showed this iranian guy talking about how his bride from iran double cross him haning out with her bf in canada…the rest of the 58 mins was focused on 2 white women with black and arab men

  29. October 26, 2015 at 5:41 pm

    Sounds reasonable. But then again, I share your worldview and beliefs.

    Anyone who identifies even slightly as “liberal” or “feminist” would feel instantly offended at the title’s suggestion…that you have “requirements” a woman must meet.

  30. Patriarchal Shitlord October 26, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    Your list would have been completely normal 100 years ago. Unfortunately, now our society is so fucked up that women worth marrying are very hard to find.

  31. spro23 October 26, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    It can’t be THAT hard to live in Russia. They have most modern conveniences, especially in their larger cities.

    1. John Galt October 26, 2015 at 7:40 pm

      It will be hard for anyone that has to actually work there. Ideally you want to be retired or semi retired if you want to live in EE

  32. John Galt October 26, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    I’m atheist and I agree with the God part. It’s not a fool proof thing obviously but your chances of a stable marriage are better, although you might have other issues like her becoming a fanatic later or going to church and meeting other women in the West that corrupt her and actively tell her to cheat on you.

    Another important issue that roosh didn’t touch upon is whether you will bring your future wife to the West. If not, what kind of arrangements are there?

    1. BJ October 26, 2015 at 7:16 pm

      I don’t believe in God – honestly it sounds a bit far fetched – but I really like the values of Christianity, especially thinking of others and random acts of kindness. You don’t see that too much in the modern world

  33. Ryan Lewis October 26, 2015 at 7:51 pm

    Roosh if she’s going to be a stay at home mum then her social media usage will reach never before seen levels. Your doomed mate.

    1. Roosh October 26, 2015 at 9:45 pm

      I’m looking for the path with the least amount of doom.

  34. Batman3.0 October 26, 2015 at 7:55 pm

    Great article Roosh!
    Everyman should know what he wants.
    For me #5, #6, and #7 are essential…if those are not going to be met, then I am not going to marry the woman.

  35. Snakes on a Car October 26, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    #1 is the hardest these days in the USA. Young women just don’t want to get married or have serious LTR until they are done with their “fun”.

  36. VK October 26, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    I have re-read Roosh’s post, and I don’t see him saying he wants to MARRY this woman, just that he wants her to be the mother of his children, lover, and housekeeper. In fact, he explicitly states that “state sanctioned marriage” is not necessarily in the cards.

    That being said, if I had a daughter who fit these parameters, I would want the best for her, and being a concubine would not be it. Call me old fashioned.

  37. Paul October 26, 2015 at 8:16 pm

    A great read!!! Im in my mid to late 30s where i stopped haven’t anything to do with westernised women when i was 30 and only bother with eastern women. Its amazing how much “BETTER” life is when you only date eastern women.

    One thing i notice, globalisation has spread the feminist poison to the east due to the internet. The younger generation is starting to be corrupted by it where i notice most of the damage is in major cities where women are going to university. I find its best to head a little out into the country where its traditional (family oriented).

    Since 2000 the divorce rate has doubled in nearly every country on the planet. From 10-15 in the east to 20-30. The west its about 60-80% where 70-80% of divorces are issued by the woman. No wonder why 80% of sucidals are by men in the West where half are due to relationship breakups. Family court = raped then the death penalty!

    Reading newspapers in the East, its double cause women are working now as well as due to social media. Facebook breaks up 50% of relationships.

    As above for a relationship to last… she also has to have very limited of time on social media and isn’t “PRIMARY” career focus otherwise your relationship is doomed!

  38. advancedatheist October 26, 2015 at 8:19 pm

    Funny you should post a photo of the Duggars, the fertile white family America’s atheists and other secular decadents like to beat up on.

    Well, I don’t feel hostile towards them, despite their widely publicized problems. My mother and sister Michele live in Springdale, Arkansas. Michele cashiers at a Walmart there, and she has told me that members of the Duggar family have passed through her checkout line. Usually the older sisters who can drive bring along some of their younger siblings to the store. The younger Duggar boys stare goggle-eyed at the scantily clad women you can see at a Walmart in the Ozarks, unlike the modestly dressed girls and women in their family and church. Mom and Michele apparently admire and respect the Duggars for their conservative lifestyle, despite having a secular outlook themselves.

    And I feel inclined to respect them as well. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar have inadvertently played a demographic long game here: Barring a catastrophe, they will have descendants in the 22nd Century, while most of her critics won’t, especially those sterile feminist broads sitting alone in their apartments with their cats.

    1. TyKo Steamboat October 27, 2015 at 1:03 am

      Not everyone wants kids & frankly, not everyone should have them.
      I will never understand these men that think about some sort of legacy that “spreading their seed” has made for them. Because after all, that thought is only an Earthly thing while you’re living.

    2. MCGOO October 30, 2015 at 6:53 am

      Man you’re pretty mellow for an athiest. You’re about as athiest as Obama is black. Just saying. But it’s cool. Jim Bob deals used cars. I bet a lot of people buy a car from him just to have his dealership logo on the back.

      The Duggars have primarily the chemistry for the extreme baby machine. They’re the less than 1%’ers or rather the 99.9%’ers. They could have cut off the machine at 3 or 5 but Michelle with her convictions won’t gripe about having MORE time or MORE disposable income. It’s doubtful she could have reached 19 with another man out of 1000 so it’s part chemistry between them and Michelle has some prize traits of her own, top dollar traits like that of a giant award winning 4H pumpkin where the seeds go for a premium. She’s proven blue ribbon stock in other words.

      At least one or two of her daughters will posess the ‘big mama’ trait. In large families, at least one daughter always carries after her mom and the rest are in between (2-6 children) and finally one having an only child or being a ‘dry hen’. That’s commonly the spread with the trad unrestricted (baker’s dozen) litters of the 19th century. Whoever guy plucks the ‘big mama’ Duggar daughter had better be ready. I’ll put money it’s the one who can sew (knit) the fastest. I can’t fully explain the connection, but there’s a ‘big mama’ sewing link that exists.

  39. Beatem October 26, 2015 at 8:27 pm

    Wow… Roosh you have high standards. But I guess that as a man grows older he becomes more selective. I think I’ll mirror your path, the only difference is that I can never see myself moving to a 3rd world country to live in. I think that a man on his prime should try to become powerful and wealthy. Since, I like the hustle I am planning on trying to be successful here.

    1. Eri.Star October 26, 2015 at 10:11 pm

      Exactly. Travel lot bro

  40. Yeah, really! October 26, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    This is the girl I married… for over 25 years. High school sweetheart, virgin, faithful, Christian, domesticated (as much as can be expected in America), etc. We had two great kids that are now grown and on their own.

    Things change, or sometimes don’t change as needed. She’s American, grew up American, and is about as far away form feminist as you can get, but not feminine either, as least not any longer. The years have taken her toll on her weight and appearance, and she’s never found the motivation to change that, even for me. The changes, or lack of changes prompted me to end it before making it to 30 years of marriage.

    If my ex wasn’t good enough forever material, than I don’t know where you’re going to find it. We can have our lists, and I had mine when I was 17. But good luck finding a girl that not only meets the criteria, but will continue to work hard to meet your criteria in the future.

    Marriage is, at best, a huge risk.

    1. TyKo Steamboat October 27, 2015 at 12:59 am

      wow, that was heavy, man.

    2. lalabamba October 27, 2015 at 2:09 pm

      how can men expect a woman to change the effect that TIME has on her? isn’t that impossible to expect? all women lose their beauty.

      1. Yeah, really! October 27, 2015 at 2:28 pm

        Yes, and no. There is a baseline of beauty — some external, much more internal — that they can grow in as they age. The problem in the west is that rampant feminism gives women a license to get fat, lazy, self-centered, mean, bitter and unfaithful to their marriage vows, while men are held accountable for their failures as they age. It’s all about the woman, and it’s all the fault of the man and our patriarchal society for her failures, her fat, her unkempt appearance, etc, etc, etc. Women can work to minimize the affects of age mostly by maintaining their health through controlling their diet, regular exercise and working to dress and look good for their men. Sadly, this is not generally done in the west anymore.

        Yes, a woman’s physical beauty fades with age. But aging women of the past made themselves more beautiful in other ways to compensate. They call it aging gracefully. They can become better, more feminine, more mature women that can nurture the next generations and train the younger women how to catch and keep their men. But, my experience with middle age women who are well over the wall is that they seem to be almost as immature and self-centered as the girls half their age. It’s all about them, all the time. They have lost the ability to age gracefully and take care of the dwindling pool of men that will date, much less marry a wall banger.

        You my friend, I’m afraid, are on the track to settle for what a women say is beautiful. Remember, women are coming up with all kinds of stupidity like 50 is the new 40, bbw’s are beautiful, selecting young beautiful girls over old fat ones is both age discrimination and fat shaming — both crimes in their view, and you must accept all manners of mental and physical disease women carry around as you, the patriarchal male, are the cause of said maladies in the first place. Women spew the bullshit notion of unconditional love, yet will divorce you and take more than half your shit and kids and ruin you life simply because they are bored and not having their needs met. They are entitled to these things even MORE as they age because they’ve done the time in the female’s world and man must compensate her for her experience, which is nothing more than age, and what she is deluded into thinking she brings to the world through her meaningless career, meaningless posessions and meaningless ideals.

        I’m an old fart in the context of this site’s demo, and have much more experience in what a woman can and should be as they age. My expectations are based in tradition and what works rather than the feminist empowerment meme de’jour.

      2. lalabamba October 27, 2015 at 2:45 pm

        Your words really remind me of my parents. My mom is past the demographic of feminism, but it makes me sad that my father has been the sole provider, and he also cooks, cleans, and does the shopping for her while she does nothing. There is no way I can convince her that she should put any effort into the relationship, and if I try to, she shuts me out. I don’t get it, he’s such a nice guy to her. Love has to be expressed through ongoing action.

      3. Yeah, really! October 27, 2015 at 7:15 pm

        I don’t get it, he’s such a nice guy to her. Love has to be expressed through ongoing action.


        Show me a modern American woman who expressed love in anything other than a constant reminder to her man that he’s not doing enough to keep her “happy”, (ie over-fed, over-spent, and over-entertained)

      4. lalabamba October 28, 2015 at 4:16 pm

        I don’t even know if we can blame this on ‘feminism’ either because it has affected women who grew up before all of that even started.

      5. MCGOO October 30, 2015 at 6:14 am

        Wow, just read this. I’ll bingo that again. Your dad sounds like a reliable strong guy. He’s taxed with a couch potato like her but she’s all that he has sadly. She sounds medical, like she needs some ass kicking diet pills. I won’t say she’s dumb, but probably eats a dumb diet if left to her own choices. She needs vit B for BRAINPOWER like fresh broccoli. There’s also ways to break a gal like that to being tolerant of cohabitating with an added common law woman or helper. He’d be freed up significantly but some unstable women are volatile even upon the mention of even bringing in a paid maid unless she’s some unattractive fat elderly lady who speaks no english. A jealous bitch will scheme or do something to hurt the girl if dad hires a sexy maid/cook with bunny ears if you know what I mean.

      6. lalabamba October 30, 2015 at 1:31 pm

        When they are 60+ I don’t know if anything will change, they are almost elderly. In one sense they are lucky to have each other and its rare to find a elderly couple still married who can at least get along pleasantly, so I don’t know how much one can expect.

    3. rationalize October 28, 2015 at 9:12 am

      I resemble this.

      By 8 years and 1 kid, the degree of weight-and-whining exceeded my threshold of tolerance.

      My solution was to jump ship — and donate a little over half my assets to her .. and giving the rest of my life savings to the legal industry .. putting me at $0 .. and paying about $700 / week in child support ($1,400 before tax).

      Women will never change once they are on the slippery slope to physical disrepair.

      When they no longer “take pride in their appearance”, irrespective of age .. it starts to feel like you’re trapped, living with an asexual roommate, whom you really don’t like.

      My solution, after losing 15 years of savings, has been to keep turning girls over. Run two or three at a time, and typically keep them for 3-6 months where possible.

      I’m unsure how sustainable this will be as I age (I am the same age as Roosh).

      I suspect it will degenerate to include occasional hookers to fill dry spells, once I hit the man-wall.

      That’s just how it is.

      1. lalabamba October 28, 2015 at 4:15 pm

        I can’t believe a woman won’t change even when they know the man might leave/will leave. It is in HER best interest to please her man.

      2. rationalize October 29, 2015 at 8:25 am

        Above is an example of “logical man-thinking” — and it is correct. It is in her and her child’s interest to keep the man. Women in 1950s America understood this, and acted accordingly.

        But these are modern women.

        They will burn it all down, rather than change themselves for him.

        Everything is about them. They can do no wrong.

        If she gets fat/whiney and he leaves .. there will be a thousand friends and support groups to help her, and to validate her (unattractive) behaviour.

        There are a thousand lawyers lined up, ready to work pro bono to help her cripple her man financially.

        She pays nothing. He has his wealth destroyed. She receives pennies on the dollar -after legal fees-.

        *Women are either at your feet or at your throat*

      3. MCGOO October 30, 2015 at 5:41 am

        Geez you make the attornies sound like legally licenced hit men. Well they are appearantly. What o what would it take and what conditions would have to prevail for the divorce rape industry to finally fold? Is the divorce rape establishment immune to recourse? Are their practitioners hiding offshore? They never step foreward in public, only through safe tunnels or arriving behind tinted glass do they magically appear like jack in the box heads in the courtrooms. They never want to share a cigarette and talk face to face in the parking lot do they?

      4. rationalize October 30, 2015 at 6:33 am

        It is what it is.

        The primary recourse for men is to:

        #1 not marry
        #2 not to co-habbit for > 2 years (similar laws)
        #3 not have biological children

        All of these things put any wealth you have at risk, and steal your future earnings.

        Just do not participate — Go on strike.

        If you like kids, and want to make an impact in young peoples minds (to pass on your memes) .. become a part time teacher of some sort.

        Unfortunately, in my view, the current legal environment is anti-family.

        It is anti-LTR.

        It is 100% pro-sterility.

  41. spicynujac October 26, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    This list is spot on. The only thing I would add is the girl should have grown up in a low to middle class society. Or have known some poverty or challenge in life.

    1) A girl who has struggled or had to handle a balance of needs versus desires is more appreciative, more reliant on cooking for meals versus eating at restaurants, and will understand and appreciate what the man is doing for her every day, as opposed to just expecting that a nice modern living space with HDTV, queen size bed, and a perfect 69 degree temperature to be the bare minimum living standard for her. She will recognize it actually takes a man sacrificing his time and labor in order to provide a basic living space, and it requires an even greater sacrifice for him to afford luxuries.

    2) In America, women are almost universally given cars as teenagers, that are better than any I have ever driven, despite the fact I earn in the top 25 percentile of salaries. A woman from a culture who has never owned a car will be incredibly appreciative of any vehicle you lend or give her.

    3) She will be closer with her family and will be able to bond more readily with you. Instead of just seeing you as a bed buddy and someone to go do things with, she will view you as a true partner, someone she adores and looks up to, and is the leader of her family, family being the center of her universe.

    4) She will appreciate the small things in life. When I have dated latin American girls, their faces will light up if I come home with a delicious fresh passion fruit or avocado, or other local fresh food. They will smile and get excited over such a basic purchase, because it is delicious, fresh, healthy, and they genuinely enjoy it. Often they will run to the kitchen to prepare a dish for me. Compared to a fat entitled Americunt who whines at you for not buying her another pound of ice cream.

    5) Girls who have less money are less motivated by money. What do most Americunts say is important to them? Their career. While all women love shiny objects and pretty dresses, the poorer girls I have known are far less materialistic.

    6) Some level of poverty (I’m not talking Ethiopian level here) reinforces each of the points in the article: (a) fewer sexual partners, primarily because without her own vehicle and living at home with parents, she is less able to go shacking up with guys on fuckathons, or take exotic vacations and be railed by foreign guys (b) attractiveness around a 7–you get to see her in natural beauty because she can’t afford the caked on makeup, (c) she will be feminine and won’t have the time and money to waste on debating tranny rights or leading rape culture protests because she doesn’t have the time for such idle pursuits; further finding a man is of utmost importance during her years when SMV is the highest so she will likely be (d) 18-25, and (e) the poor are much more likely to believe in a god.

    1. RedPillRenegade October 27, 2015 at 12:14 am

      Great post. Totally agree.

    2. 66Scorpio October 28, 2015 at 6:58 pm

      I have no personal experience with Latinas but maybe you see the same thing I see in Chinese girls: they are not gold diggers but rather they want a base level of financial security from their man, something I consider completely appropriate. American women just seem to want “stuff”: bigger house, flashier car, better clothes, luxurious vacations and such.

      1. spicynujac October 28, 2015 at 7:35 pm

        Absolutely. Although it kind of blew my mind the first time one was balking about coming to the states… Wait, you don’t want to come up to the land of freedumb and wealth? Oh no, she said, America is corrupt and degenerate. The one I am currently talking to doesn’t even want a wealthy man, even talks about some of the problems excess wealth causes, just wants a provider.
        If you actually sit down and talk to the “illegals” many of them have told me they have no intention on staying here, they want to work for about a decade, sending their money home, and then getting the hell outta here and back to their traditional family life in their home country.

  42. Rob October 26, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    Any thoughts on best places to live to raise a family if you’re going to live in the USA? Maybe the Colorado countryside ( or any area in the country)? Or a suburban neighborhood? Or a smaller town?

    1. TyKo Steamboat October 27, 2015 at 12:39 am

      I live in the Colorado countryside. It’s very expensive & kids will grow-up around legal Marijuana in an extremely liberal environment. Lots of hippies. High taxes. ect, ect…

  43. advancedatheist October 26, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    8. She doesn’t have or want any gay male friends, because gay men encourage their fag hags to keep making bad choices in life.

  44. TyKo Steamboat October 27, 2015 at 12:00 am

    #5 is most important to me personally. #4 & #7 was a bit of a shocker to read from you, Roosh.
    …#8 = must have a C-Section…. 😉

    Also, aren’t the passport laws the same in Poland & Ukraine (90 days within 180 days?) I would just rotate. (I liked both countries.)
    I would just rotate. 3 months in Romania, 3 in Finland, 3 in Poland & 3 in Ukraine (June, July, August in Ukraine)

    1. FormrCanadian October 27, 2015 at 2:48 pm

      1. Yes, visa regulations are the same for Poland and Ukraine, one can spend 90 days out of 180 in each country. You CAN rotate.

      2. But you can NOT do the “3 months in Romania, 3 in Finland, 3 in Poland & 3 in Ukraine” thing. Romania, Finland and Poland are all members of the EU and Schengen treaty and you can ONLY spend 90 days out of 180 in the WHOLE Schengen zone (doesn’t matter which country/countries) thus eliminating an option to spend 3 months in Romania, Finland and Poland consequently.
      Feel free to ask me if you have any questions!

      1. TyKo Steamboat October 27, 2015 at 9:25 pm

        Thanks man. I was unaware of that. I usually just go over there for 6 weeks a year. Good to know & makes sense.

      2. Parachute October 27, 2015 at 10:02 pm

        Hi TyKo,
        What one should do is Jun-Jul-Aug in Ukraine, Sep-Oct-Nov in Schengen country (Romania, Poland, Finland), Dec-Jan-Feb somewhere warm (Mexico Thailand etc), Mar-Apr-May in Schengen country again then back to Ukr for summer.

  45. PolisRangerArtyom October 27, 2015 at 2:18 am

    A reasonably attractive, feminine and submissive woman is all I ask for.

  46. Omid October 27, 2015 at 2:27 am

    Don’t know why you exclude all Indians? Most of the time when Indians have kids with a white person the kids look white(not that you’re white but you seem to think you are), pic related.
    From an anthropological/genetic standpoint Indians are quite similar to Armenians and Persians.

    However most Indian girls have absolute shit personalities so it’d be wise to avoid them for that reason.
    Though I guess I can see why since you seem to have a personal vendetta against them after the IRT nonsense.

    1. mclovin89 October 28, 2015 at 3:56 pm

      agreed on last half but not the first.
      I got plenty of cousins that are half white but all have dark hair and skin met other indians like that too.
      white features are recessive. Its super rare for the fair part to come out and even then they get darker with age.

  47. Amy Wilson October 27, 2015 at 5:48 am

    Hi guys, first time commenter – I’ve been reading Roosh for several months now.

    I’ve lived my whole life in the West (Australia and NZ – go the mighty All Blacks!), but I’m a rare breed. You call us unicorns, I prefer to call us black swans…..
    I’m the eldest of 10 kids, my parents have been married 22 years, I’ve been homeschooled most of my life, and we are a conservative Christian family. By that I mean we rest on Sabbath and wear skirts mostly, but don’t wear head coverings, and my sister and I work outside the home.

    I chose to jump in on this post to basically corroborate what others have said regarding Roosh’s chances of getting a girl that meets all 7 points.
    Speaking for myself, there are 2 big reasons I would never date an ex-PUA.

    Firstly, the moral code that makes me committed to staying home, remaining a virgin till marriage, submitting to my husband’s leading, and refusing to consider divorce as an option (the Bible gives no right of divorce to women)… the same moral code that makes me refuse to settle for anything less than a man who shares my faith.

    Now, you might say that doesn’t count, for one reason or another. OK, maybe your future wife is willing to overlook your premarital formication. But if she doesn’t judge your deviance from her moral code (you said you wanted a woman of faith), she won’t judge her own deviance from it either… it divorce, adultery, lying, laziness, complaining spirit, etc etc.

    Secondly, the age gap. I won’t even go out with a Christian guy more than 10 years older than me. Let’s say I marry a man 10 years older (my upper limit). That gives me around 15 years of widowhood, on average.
    If I married a man 15 years older, and had my last child at 40, he’ll be 76 on their 21st birthday, and I’ll only be 61. I don’t want to raise a houseful of teens by myself – kids need their fathers, and preferably the younger model of him. My dad’s in his early fifties, and while he can still wrestle some with my brothers, he’s going to be 71 when my baby sister is my age.

    I’m not an exact match for Roosh’s 7 requirements, so perhaps my POV is irrelevant……I’m quite fair (what are eyebrows??), and I’m probably a 6/10 in terms of face, though I do have a perfect 0.7 waist to hip. Baby making hips are obviously hereditary, lol. And I’ll go one better on the stay at home deal – I want to homeschool my kids, at least till junior high.

    I’d take the mid-to-late twenties guy with integrity (and point him towards Dalrock et al if he’s interested) than take the thirty something year old on the rebound from the “if it feels good, do it” lifestyle any day of the week 🙂

  48. Power9799 October 27, 2015 at 5:52 am

    Lol, the obsession with Russians and Ukrainians. They are hot and feminine but
    Dude, Russia and Ukraine are not good places for to find a good wife, but they make decent girlfriends. The divorce rate is off the roof(I know some people report it is the men initiating divorce). Abortion extremely prevalent.
    They are less slutty than Americans, they start fucking early. One statistics in Moscow shown 50% of Russian girls starting fucking around 9th grade. 0 out over 600 girls that were 17 or older were virgins, fucking zero!
    If u go on a Russian forum for girls, a lot of chicks had over 15-20 by age 21, but luckily plenty had less than 3. Lol the first post was over a100 guys at age of 21.

    They are family oriented but a lot of they are materialistic and hypergamous as hell. A lot of them are crafty and try hard to get please u to get married to her. They say they are religious. but a lot of them don’t read the bible or go to bible. Having a friend introducing u or some of connection helps.
    U shouldn’t take her out of the country. Seriously the only hope for a good wife is a real Muslim girl or super religious rural western girl. U are better off marrying a Muslim Uzbek than a Russian.

    1. Anon. October 27, 2015 at 9:56 am

      Central Asia likely provides the best balance for men who are not willing to immerse themselves into hardcore Islam. Best option is Tajikistan, one of the lowest divorce rates in the world, you will be the highest-value men she could ever hope for, and traditionalism to the core.

      1. Power9799 October 27, 2015 at 11:07 am

        I had an Uzbek friend in Russia, he told me to visit Uzbekistan and there were good girls including not Muslims. Uzbeks and central Asians are less orthodox but still traditional. It is cheap in Uzbekistan too but the girls look more asian, however still beautiful

  49. anon1 October 27, 2015 at 8:56 am

    All completely sensible and nonobjectionable qualities to have in a woman that you want to be your child’s mother. I’d have a similar list

    Question, roosh do you believe in God? Or is it more that women tend to be less morally bankrupt if they have some fear of shaming via having religious values

  50. George Nada October 27, 2015 at 9:23 am

    “In the case I want to have more than two kids,…”
    A suggestion:
    The language we use is more important in the formation of our thoughts than most of us realize, and too much of our language has been a contagion we have contracted from modern, degenerative society. I think it is time we men make a deliberate and concerted effort to not use the word “kids” when referring to our CHILDREN. Think about what you are literally saying when you call your child a “kid.” My child is NOT a baby goat. Let the rest of degenerate society call their children that. When it comes to our own families, we really should do better than that.
    And if you think I am nitpicking, then what that says to me is that you have not read enough Orwell.

    1. MCGOO October 30, 2015 at 5:12 am

      Good point about not calling your children ‘kids’. I didn’t marry a GOAT. Who the hell started calling our children GOATS in the first place? Is there any history of the term being used? I’ve always been curious who started that and when.

      Sites like this are a spawning ground for new words, terms and their usage. The ‘manosphere’ has been described by observers as being laced with unfamiliar terms and coined words. Non manospherians have to learn our language just to converse here. I compare the language to being as full of ‘inside’ words and phrases as much as a Scientology book where you have to go to the glossary every other sentence just to follow. We should be mindful to keep our new language and words masculine and patriarchal. The GREAT MANBALL advances with words and ideas as it snowballs and rolls foreward.

  51. Davi504 October 27, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    I’m 19 and at times I do want to just quit college and get married to someone decent but then I read that my husband would leave me when I’m old so what’s the point? The list isn’t offensive (and I’m black) to me. The only thing I have a question about is do guys really put an emphasis on god? I was raised in the church but it never really helped me. And 3 sexual partners by what age? I haven’t had sex yet but there is this guy I like and seems sweet and straight forward.

    And as far as the girls you say are damaged, haven’t you damaged women in your past?

    1. greyghost1 October 27, 2015 at 3:16 pm

      The emphasis on God is the delusion men have that a godly woman will honor the wedding vows. It is delusional for no women like that exist and the church isn’t going to enforce it anyway. (it is a whole big story in itself but the bottom line there is no Christian woman.)

    2. RedPillRenegade October 28, 2015 at 1:01 pm

      This is tough for black American women because many black men have it bad out there, being disproportionately in prison, broke or unemployed. In the case of black American women, probably best that they do stick to college and learn to support themselves because many will never be able to find a man that can be a provider. Some black men are doing well, but not nearly as many as white or Asian men. And the demand by black women for well off black men is very high. The demographic situation for black women is pretty terrible.

  52. YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva October 27, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    On the same day that he posts a video teaching men how to bed women on the first date, he also posts this: “2. She must have less than three prior sexual partners, though I prefer a virgin.”

    Roosh, how does your conscience rectify such a blatant contradiction?

    1. greyghost1 October 27, 2015 at 3:13 pm

      Some women are for fucking and some women are for marriage commitment. If she beds easily she is for fucking.

      1. YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva October 27, 2015 at 11:16 pm

        A good player can lead a good woman into the sack and begin the process of spoiling her for marriage. If men do this, they cannot complain when society becomes full of degenerates and falls into decline. If you ended up divorced and separated from your daughter, so that she grew up in a single mother household and took a wrong turn in life, would you be content knowing that she would be relegated to merely “for fucking?” In other words, will you be content when your daughter is just a piece of meat, with men reinforcing her sad state, so that she has no chance to end up happily married?

        As red pilled as I am, a part of me can’t help but feel that men today deserve to be hated as they are in this gynocentric society. I mean, what is more pathetic than a man who can’t even control his libido? If men are natural leaders, then men led society to where we are today.

      2. greyghost1 October 28, 2015 at 8:02 am

        If you are red pill don’t fall for the apex fallacy. It is only roughly 20% of men you are talking about. Also our society views men such as yourself as abusive oppressor for even thinking as you do on the subject. Never forget women vote and have full agency and are just as responsible for what is happening to society.
        Knowing the nature of women it is far better to change the dynamic by letting all men and women know women that are bed by players are purely for fucking and of no use for commitment. no rings for sluts needs to be as common as if momma ain’t happy ain’t nobody happy.

      3. mclovin89 October 28, 2015 at 3:57 pm

        this is why I say game must be used respopnsibly, you game club whores not pump n dump good chaste girls

    2. Bavieca October 28, 2015 at 12:01 am

      Yeah, he apparently didn’t get the memo that men are not supposed to be hypergamous. Only women have the God-given right of hypergamy. Some 5’2″ conscienceless cunts only want their men to be at least be 5’9″ or some working class cunts who only want to marry billionaires? Yep, totally and absolutely dandy.

    3. iBooB October 31, 2015 at 12:08 am

      It’s not a contradiction.

      Example. You own a Ferrari. Your acquaintance owns a Lambo. You want to drive his car, you ask to borrow it and you do. But you would NEVER let anybody even TOUCH your Ferrari. So when he asks to drive your Ferrari you say FUCK NO.

      It has nothing to do about being fair, equal or just. Men can make this kind of distinction. Women cannot.

  53. TeamEdwardJace October 27, 2015 at 2:32 pm

    things I learned from this post about roosh v:
    1. He’s a creepy and sexist bastard who would go after girls that are barely legal (18 years )

    2. He doesn’t comprehend that while the life span of the female reproductive cycle isn’t as long as the males, it still lasts a decent amount of time beyond their 20s

    3. He lives in a 50s fantasy world where not as many women don’t have a choice between being parents, pursuing educations , having a job/career or be a working parent
    4. There’s this thing called dual-income families for a variety of reasons which he seems to have forgotten about

    5. He has double standards regarding the spirituality, religion of lack there of for females or women .(being an atheist doesn’t mean you don’t have morals . Not everyone needs religion to be a decent person )

    All in all, this post futher exemplifies how much of a dimwitted bigot and asshole Roosh V. ) not even the people affiliated with drunken peasants like you (now they’re actually nice or decent human beings )

    1. greyghost1 October 27, 2015 at 3:12 pm

      Women have always loathe the idea of male standards of women. It is not a bug it is feature. You are a normal women to feel this way.

    2. RedPillRenegade October 28, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      On number 4, women moving into the workforce is what created the need for dual income families. People got by fine prior to that on one income. When you have two incomes, you now have twice the income to bid up the cost of housing, which in turn then makes two incomes mandatory to buy a house and it becomes the new normal. Whereas if there was only one income, a house would never have inflated to more than the market could bare.

      In my younger years I used to have a more feminist position on females in the workplace. But these days I’m of the opinion that a society would function best if women focus on the home and family and men earn and take care of the family. I think the model we are under now is unsustainable. It’s the reason why fertility rates plunge below replacement level everywhere in the planet that feminism takes hold and women flood into education and work. Then you end up having to import large numbers of 3rd world immigrants(who will disproportionately be a burden on the social safety net) to make up for the demographic shortfall. I think 500 years from now when the West is toast and has been conquered by 3rd world populations through migration, people will look back at the downfall and realize that feminism’s disruptive effect on family formation and demographics is what started the chain reaction.

      1. TeamEdwardJace October 28, 2015 at 6:07 pm

        Come on you cannot blame the current state of the economy on women who choose to work even if that’s how the need for dual income arose . It’s the 21st century , so perhaps you need to update your ideology again instead of adhering to such archaic standards.

        Also not all females or males (including those who are working and/or educated ) who are hardworking, and want equality and equity for humanity consider themselves feminists .

      2. CaptainObvious October 28, 2015 at 8:55 pm

        Appealing to a certain time period ( it’s da twenty furst sentaree duhhh) is a logical fallacy.

        Watch less TV and get your head out of the ass of pop culture. You will be better off, though I don’t hope for much in your case.

  54. Davis M.J. Aurini October 27, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    One of mine: “Competence at masculine tasks (shooting a gun, driving stick, et cetera)”. This is related to the Principle of Leadership “Achieve professional COMPETENCE” – not excellence, but competence. To lead men, you need to be COMPETENT at what they do, though ultimately they should be better than you. With a wife, I expect competence so that she can appreciate the skills I bring to the table, and not merely take them for granted.

    Also, if I’m laid up in some manner, it’ll be up to her to take care of things until I’m back on my feet.

    This goes both ways, of course.

  55. just a human October 27, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    I live in eastern europe. Be very carefull with these girls if You want a wife. My friend (he is 42 now) married a virgin 20 years ago. They had two children. At the age of 37 (it’s tipical here!!!) she decided to try a carousel . He divorced and are depressive and still full of hate. He’s ex wife was total atheist from small country village. Age of 36-39 are critical for those women who didn’t ride many cock’s at the young age becouse they feel that they are getting old-“the train is passing by”…

    1. Etc October 27, 2015 at 8:02 pm

      What do you mean by “try a carousel”?

      1. YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva October 28, 2015 at 12:55 am

        The infamous Cock Carousel.

  56. Genie October 27, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    Roosh, you’ll meet someone who fits less than half of that criteria and despite what your head tells you, you will fall for her because there will be something deep that gives you that feeling that there’s a real connection between you. This will be someone who accepts you for who you are now, not who she wants you to be, and someone who is not going to judge you for your sexual past but like you, has come to a crossroads and is reflecting on her life. I would bet money that the future mother of your children will be nothing like you thought, and years later both of you will look back at this list and laugh your asses off.

  57. Etc October 27, 2015 at 7:35 pm

    Roosh, your a young man trying to figure things out. These are strange times for everyone. Aside from us old folks, that is. Creating a list of what you would like in a wife or life is a great idea! If I were you, I would post this up where I would see it everyday and not only leave it on a blog.

  58. bruce October 27, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    He is delusional, the more you get into PUA, the darker you get and less chance of finding anyone substantial. (not that that’s a bad thing) These conditions are unrealistic. Remember this, in the PUA world, there are great women that have all great attributes you read about in fairy tales, BUT they get taken early and while you are out playing and partying you are left with the damaged goods. Again I’m not saying it’s a bad thing to be older and single, you just have to become more realistic IF you want to settle down.

    1. GetItGoing January 1, 2016 at 9:07 pm

      These conditions are absolutely not unrealistic. However, finding them in the west, in that case, I would agree. Overseas, however, is a different story.

      How do I know? Personal experience. It’s reasonably done, depending where you go and how you are yourself.

      Maybe not for an older, out of shape or undesirable man, but for men like myself and Roosh it’s not out of the question.

  59. 66Scorpio October 27, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    I am on board with this although, being a dozen years older than Roosh, I have a bit more flexibility. My current girlfriend – and we are talking about engagement, marriage, playing house and babies and all that stuff for next year – is 26, notch count 3, a solid 8 unless Asian girls just aren’t your thing, feminine and wants a traditional role as stay at home mother for the most part at least. The god thing is a bit more complicated.
    China has a cultural thing where 27 is the best before date. Most girls will be notch count 1. It is difficult for a foreigner to nab them fresh out of high school and get a virgin. Those girls who are interested in foreign guys seem to go through a Chinese boyfriend and then a couple of foreign boyfriends (hence, notch count 3) but don’t slut it up and ride the carousel or anything.
    In terms of skin tone and ethnicity, it has never been an issue for me. My first three serious relationships back in my twenties were with a Guyanese (Black-Indian mix), a white chick (who had a sliver of black in her family tree so she tanned up really dark in the summer) and a Canadian born Chinese girl.
    Then again, I am strange. I seriously thought about signing up for the Mars One program. I’ve visited Australia and now I live in China, pretty much the farthest points from my birthplace I can go without actually travelling into space. Captain Kirk is my idol and I would fuck hot green bitches if given the chance.

    1. GetItGoing January 1, 2016 at 9:00 pm

      Great comment

  60. WallaceLeMay68 October 27, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    Well if 7 is seriously a priority you can start by capitalizing God so you don’t write like a Hitchens-Dawkins parroting, basement dwelling, neck bearded GNU megadouche.

  61. Greetings from Finland October 27, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    I have noticed that women from healthy, nuclear homes, where both parents are still happily together and married are probably the most suitable for long-term relationships.

    Women whose parents have divorced (many times female-initiated) don’t have that
    much respect for men. Basically, if the woman has her parents together, and a
    good relationship with her father, she will have a healthy attitude towards her
    future husband, as well. If she comes from a broken home, and does not trust
    her father / or does not have a 100 % healthy relationship with him, that negative attitude towards men will follow her to her future relationships with men. I know this does not leave very many women to choose from because broken homes are the norm of today. The thing is that whatever the woman’s childhood experiences might be, she will most likely copy that later on in her life.
    Just think about your experiences with women, guys. I bet most of them are copying their father-daughter relationship where they just have that same attitude now towards you as what they had towards their fathers.

  62. BlueBot22 October 27, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    These seem like very reasonable requirements to me, but may I add another? Respect. She must have a deep-set respect for you as a person and also the work that you do.

  63. Michael Kirney October 27, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    Lol, as if you are ever going to get married, dude. Why bother? Just keep jetting around and bedding girls. If you want a kid, just get one of your bangs preggo. Why have more than one kid with the same woman? Mix it up a little!

  64. blackgnostic October 28, 2015 at 2:14 am

    Unless you want to raise your children in your old age, you better get cracking. If you want to be able to chase your grandchildren around start planting your seed. Chasing kids around in your 50’s is no picnic.I’d say 40 or bust

  65. splooge October 28, 2015 at 3:06 am

    u wont get good persian n armenian girls cuz youre mixed n not relgious.
    u can goto argentina or urguay ehere the women are white

    why dont you want northerneuropean women?darker genes dominate theyll look like u anyways

    like one of my cousins are darker then me and his mom is a blonde but both bros are dark hair sskin n eyrs

  66. ShepardSays October 28, 2015 at 7:53 am

    Some of these I think border too much on the idealistic side.

    I giggled at the sexual partner requirement. Simply because there is no way to know 100% if anybody is telling the truth of their number count.

    “I shall not participate in more than 5% of household duties outside of home improvement. ”

    Good luck! Part of having integrity is doing things because they need to be done. I assume based on your statement you’ve never been around small children. They tend to make messes every moment of the day. Spilled juice, dirt in the house, dirty dishes etc. And you will wash multiple loads of laundry every single day with children. You can’t just pretend the mess doesn’t exists because it’s “her job”.

    Same argument with finances. Any woman who expect to never work of side of the home is also delusional. If something happens to the breadwinner’s income she’d have to step up. There’s no way around it. You still need food and shelter regardless of it being “his job” to provide it.

  67. Dimitry October 28, 2015 at 11:51 am

    I’m a little bit puzzled by all of these lists that guys (or girls at chick bantering sites) always present as some golden rule not to ever break.

    What counts the most at finding the girl for a stable relationship or raising a family with is simply that you have to be her type, and she should be your type as well, period. This should be a no-brainer for all. If there’s strong chemistry, the girl will be willing to do sth for you just because she wants to, not because she is raised to do e.g. 95 % of house keeping. She loves and adores what she sees on you, and in you.

    But from my experience and from seeing so many other guys and buddies, they just misread and have no clue that this particular ‘dream’ girl liked them. They are too busy chasing club rats which everyone notices and goes after. So, I’m claiming that even if the girl has the biggest bitch face in normal settings, she’ll become the most lovely princess when she spends time with someone she really looks up to.

    Let’s don’t be so tragedic. Many of these ‘dream’ girls just don’t have their looks at the top of their game during the day or in social settings, although they can look HB8+ on special occasions, when they make themselves much more presentable.

  68. Crocodilio October 28, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    “And European (non-Northern)”

    Always great to see how racially handicapped realize their limitations after many years of struggle.

  69. Axel Page (Shameless Pride) October 28, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    This list is spot-on, and jives with my own. IMO, borderline impossible to find with an American girl. Would have to cast a far and wide net.

  70. Robby October 28, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    Dude you are defining a Turkish girl you know ? They are Muslim “light” if you know what I mean

    1. 66Scorpio October 28, 2015 at 6:51 pm

      “Muslim Light” is sort of the Ismailis (who are considered heretics by more conservative Muslims). They are the largest minority among the largest minority of Muslims: 10% of the Shia population who are 10% of all Muslims, so 1% of the total. They are sort of the Muslim equivalent of Mormons: they have quirky ways of doing things but overall they tend to be really good people.

  71. Steven October 28, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    Interesting. I’ve been following roosh since ~2007 and it is very interesting how different our views are after all these years. I’m now in my 30’s and my views and wants couldn’t be further. I respect that his views are different, but they do seem hypocritical.

    I guess the thing I don’t get is, why go through all of this in the first place? Gaming women for yeas. If at the end of the day, all you want is some boring, generic, religious, stay at home house wife? I guess we all do this for different reasons.

    For me, I strive to be the best man I can be — for me. So I can accomplish my life goals and dreams. So I can leave a mark and impact on this world somehow. As a side effect, I want an amazing partner one day. One that I never would have landed if I never spent years traveling around the world, gaming, and sleeping with women.

    1 – I think women that young just aren’t ready to settle down these days. I relate way more with women around 30.
    2 – I really don’t give a fuck how many guys she’s banged. I’ve fucked more women I want to admit to. Why the hell should I care about her notch count. Just don’t have a disease and it’s all good. A virgin!?! Why? She will be terrible in bed. I’m a kinky fucker, I have no patience for inexperienced women.
    3 – Completely agree. Though I’d want an at least an 8, personal.
    4 – Sure.
    5 – I agree about being feminine. However, I want someone to who I can fucking talk to you about things. Compete mentally? I want an equal intellectually.
    6 – I don’t want kids, so fuck that. She’s going to work and have projects, hobbies, and other things going on like me.
    7 – As an atheist I have no desire to marry a religious woman.

    I go out every week and try to sleep with women because I’m a horny guy. I like to get laid. Still, at the end of the day, I strive to always meet more beautiful, interesting, and fun women. Whom, will one day be my wife. I certainly don’t do this to land a boring, dumb, generic, and submissive house wife. But to each their own.

    1. lalabamba October 30, 2015 at 1:28 pm

      i think Roosh’s writing has made an impact on the world.

  72. Veni Vidi Vici October 30, 2015 at 1:48 am

    Roosh now that you have a general idea who you want to have children with any ldeas where? During your travels have you been to any countries that are good places for families.

  73. Lord Noramus October 30, 2015 at 2:23 am

    Aww how sweet. Big Roosh is going to tie the big knot! Can I be your best man Roosh?

  74. WhoCares? October 30, 2015 at 9:38 am

    I think its ironic that you make lists like this when the fact of the matter is either A) you either aren’t doing what you claim to be doing or B) You are doing what you claim (having sex, avoiding condoms or removing condoms. In case A then good for you for having standards for the human you choose to create life with. If B is the case then you area already a father and all your kid knows is “Papa was a rolling stone” or their local equivalent.

    It makes no sense to have standards unless you are actively limiting who will be the mother to your children.

  75. iBooB October 30, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    This list is close but misses the mark. Let me fix it for you:

    2. “She must be a virgin”

    “No ifs and buts about it. She must be a fully fledged virgin meaning no prior sexual relations because scientists have proven that any semen that has been ingested, digested and pumped into her will have altered her DNA to incorporate some of the inseminators DNA. Therefore any child she has will not be a pure mixture of our DNA but will also include the DNA of any previous men who had inseminated her in the past.

    If I want my child to be a pure mixture of both her and I only, I will not settle for the cop-out excuse of “Oh she only sucked 3 cocks in her life” or “Only 2 men ever fucked and pumped their semen into my future wife regularly for years before I met her”. As a man of pride and honour who will not settle for less, I will not subject myself for nothing less than the best”.

    There, fixed it. You’re welcome.

  76. Salarino October 31, 2015 at 7:51 pm

    Roosh……this is what the fuck I’m talking about! This is the kind of post that is going to help save Western Civilization by getting rid of the filthy cancer festering on it!

    If young men get with this mentality at an early age it will help them avoid so much bullshit and focus on what’s important i.e. they start working hard and saving to get that younger, foreign woman when they’re a little older i.e. 27-30 and she’s still young and fresh. Once they’re at that age and a little more financially stable they can then go out and either find a good, solid foreign wife and be prepared to defend their family from the filth out there or have a career path that will allow them to travel abroad and live in a family-oriented nation. There’s already this long, lost generation of women, but we can stem the tide. It’s on us. We have to stop fucking these classless whores out there.

    I am happily married to a lovely, traditional French wife who is younger than myself. When we go out I see the way that some of these skanks look at her. If looks could kill she would have been rotting in the ground for a long time now. She never would leave the house without looking impeccable and carries herself like a lady always and at all times. And she takes care of me, but I am a man and take care of her. These are the kind of women who are out there, if guys will make the sacrifices needed.

    Young guys need to stay away from a lot of these trashy, used and abused, girls out there. It requires self-discipline and a man has and will do what he needs to forge self-discipline. If he can’t do that then he is a man who deserves whatever he gets and should have stitched up his pussy a long-time ago. My point regarding staying away from the trashy broads is that who really wants to give their beautiful young, VIRGIN wife HPV or Genital Herpes? If she is the treasure your after then shouldn’t you treat her with respect from the get-go? Besides what good comes from even associating with some of these skanks out there. If there’s one thing young women fear it’s being cut off socially and being outcasts.

    If we can set a trend with this it could really create an even stronger backlash against feminist thought in the minds of young girls. It completely goes against their nature, but they do need this pointed out to them a lot of the time. There’s just this waterfall of young women who are slowly turning into cat women due to their promiscuity and their numbers are just going to increase in the coming years. Women notice about cat ladies when they’re little girls and in truth, to become one is a huge fear in the minds of most. We can still turn the tide if we can open the eyes of the younger generation of women through our actions and the direct effects on their being an even larger shortage of marriage-material men in the States. Women will follow the leads of what strong men are doing.

    Anywho, apologies about the long post, but you really hit a chord with me on this article. We can win this war. The way it seems to me is that we’re simply fighting the effects of the Soviet propaganda push of cultural Marxism here in the West. Honestly, we can put up the good fight, but ultimately we need to pray and return to God and be men. Those Russians, nobody ever said they were stupid.

    Thanks man for putting up a fight. You do a lot of good with your platform.



  77. Break November 1, 2015 at 5:05 pm

    Well put, 6 is very important but harder and harder to find and point 7 never really crossed my mind but it makes sense. There is a huge difference between city folk and people in the country when it comes to morality and standards. I have a new site on masculinity and self improvement

  78. Maldek November 3, 2015 at 11:02 am

    Feedback from Maldek.

    1. She must be between 18-25 years old:
    YES, the wrong side of 25 is no good. We have 3 kids, first was born when wife was 32. The one thing she is sorry about is that she didnt have kids earlier.

    2. She must have less than three prior sexual partners, though I prefer a virgin
    NO, just no. This is bullshit and a sorry excuse (looser) males bring up as explanation why they suck at relationship game. A lay is a lay but relationship game is a much higher level. Fake it for an evening is easy – fake it for 10 years is not. You got to be real and bring value to the table. Dont use lame excuses like her not beeing a vergin. I have had vergin pussy in my life, my wife was not one of them that should tell you something.

    3. Her physical attractiveness should hover around the 7 range
    THIS is a tricky one. I would say that below 6 is a no go. You will want to have sex with the mother of your future children 10 years from now. Most females get worse over time. You have to be a very, very good captain of your marriage ship if you want your wife to stay a 7 from 20 to 40+. Can be done but it is not easy or else we wouldnt see legions of fat landwhales all around us, causing optical polution of unspoken proportions. But I disgress.
    The magic formula is the hotter the better. It will take much longer for a 10 to drop down to the “below 6” level than it takes a 6 to drop an inch.
    Only reason you would go with a 7 over a 10 is -> and its a big reason <- IF YOUR OWN VALUE ISNT 10. If you are a 6 or 7 yourself you wont be able to keep a 10 around for long. Be realistic in what you offer and then pick the best you can get AND KEEP.
    For me as a male 8 (I am 40+ so thats pretty much the best you can expect) a woman 7/8 is what i can keep. If I was 10 years younger and double my current networth I could go for a 10. See the picture?

    4. Her skin tone should be within two shades of myself
    Have sex with whatever race you want. Fuck a ladybody if you have to, I dont care. But if you want children, stay within your own race. Your future children will thank you.

    5. She must be feminine
    YES this is very important. Feminists have such a massive pile of crap in their brains you would have to spend 10 years just cleaning up this mess. Not worth the effort. If you cant lead her mind into the land of understanding within say 2 years, its better to look elsewhere.

    6. She must want to be a traditional stay-at-home mother
    YES. Except what she wants is of minor importance. You must want it and she will do as you say. Of course. Thats the MAIN thing about "feminine" – follow the male lead without question. You are the captain and you decide.

    7. She must believe in a god
    Yes. You be her god.

  79. Greg November 3, 2015 at 11:13 am

    Roosh, have you considered freezing your sperm? It sounds like it may be the right choice for your current lifestyle, and will take the pressure off in regards to having make a decision so soon. It’s something you should consider.

  80. kelley November 3, 2015 at 11:46 am

    what a fuckin dreamer……

  81. mah November 3, 2015 at 12:33 pm

    ”I will not reproduce with a woman who is black, Asian, or Indian”

    Man, that seems written by some small minded old idiot, not Roosh. Maybe I expected too much of him

    1. blacknwhiterose November 10, 2015 at 2:12 am

      It’s actually a solid policy for men of all stripes to follow. Not just for the looks, but for cultural compatibility. Children who look nothing like their father (or mother) may likely struggle with building strong cultural identities to help their esteem and help them through life. As a European descent man who used to date a variety of women, I recently decided on a policy to only consider European and Hispanic/Latina/Mestiza women for marriage.

  82. Ashara Dayne November 3, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    Please don’t have kids.

    1. rationalize November 3, 2015 at 11:08 pm


  83. scythian November 4, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    My sentiments exactly. Wish I could have met you at NPI. It was quite a liberating experience to be around other red pillers. It was like being let out of the nuthouse and realizing you were sane the whole time. There was a huge diversity of people and ideas at the conference. I was a little worried at what to expect. The intellectual rigor of the young guys I met was amazing. I do have many criticisms of NPI. Particularly some of the more esoteric stuff they due as its not really backed up by data. But to hear a guy like MacDonald speak was amazing. Also they seem to be very “white knittish” and pedestalize women. Which is the worst thing when it comes to getting women in your bed or political movement. Lana Lokteff was there and I was a bit familiar with her but she does seem a bit patronizing at times toward the guys in the movement. I personally met Jack Donovan and understand a lot of people think he’s nothing more than an opportunist looking to “be a bad ass” in a verboten movement or at wost a sodomite. That’s not the vibe I got at all from the guy. I drank with him for about 2 hours and to pick his brain about stuff was great. Everyone seemed to ask each other on introductions “so how were you red pilled” or “how did you cross the line?”……………..One interesting thing about the conference was I found was the majority girls there were of non Euro origin. For a movement that’s what I guess you would call ” white nationalist” of the few women that were there 2 were half asian, one was what I believe to be a Colombian or other type of South American girl judging by her look and name, and another was either Persian or Levantine. I myself consort with Colombian girls whose ethic background is far from a white nationalist wet dream but they seem to be more open to my ideas than the white Nordic looking girls in America. Girls raised in Eastern Europe often sympathize with these sentiments but generally adopt western ways quick and become dysfunctional. Only after being burnt by other male types to they sort of wake up. I can say from extensive experience and yes I do feel Slavic women have a genetic pragmatism about them that makes them very cold and unloyal. Which is more than I can say for the darker shade of meztizo Colombiana. Razhib Khan did a post about “Blue eyed ice queens and Brown Eyed Tarts” I feel despite his leukoohobic tendencies and contradictions his summary of Carelton Coons work is spot on.

  84. Vile November 4, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    Best wishes to find her!

  85. TeamEdwardJace November 5, 2015 at 11:37 am

    Point 4 clearly indicates how racist Roosh is, thus further substantiating the fact that he is by no means a decent human being. How do so many not see this?

  86. Nevsky November 5, 2015 at 12:12 pm

    I dont agree on “believing in God” part. Many traditionalists see every Atheist as a Leftist, Queer loving cuck. Not always the case. I dont believe in God, yet I support Christianity (Russian Orthodoxy) and Im traditionalist to the bone. My current GF same.

  87. CarlosFontesJr November 5, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    What is so threatening about a 29 year old woman who’s had more than 3 sexual partners (that’s actually none of your concern actually), is a different shade of skin than you, is an athiest because she’s more of a critical thinker than a blind follower, who has passions and goals and ideas (just like you) that can’t be accomplished by staying home and changing diapers, and is feminine and likes to challenge herself physically at the gym and runs daily to be functionally fit (making her a 9)?

    You seem awfully threatened by women who live their own lives and don’t really need you around.

    Nothing too masculine about stomping your feet and throwing a fit because a woman doesn’t confirm to your expectations be of what she should be.

    1. Words Don't Come Easy November 6, 2015 at 10:31 pm

      White Knight SJW alert !!!

      1. CarlosFontesJr November 10, 2015 at 2:33 am

        Let’s see:

        ‘I’d prefer to have a wife with half my kids dying of natural causes than have the best medicine in the world but not even be able to touch a girl because she rides the cc which I can’t be part of since I’m short and undesirable.’
        – Words Don’t Come Easy

        ‘And that skillset is the luck from the genetic lottery. It always boils down to luck.’
        – Words Don’t Come Easy

        ‘I like young Arab girls. Maybe I should go to a refugee camp and do some shopping.’
        – Words Don’t Come Easy

        ‘LOL whatever bro. I don’t bow to anyone. Bowing is so beta.’
        – Words Don’t Come Easy

        ‘U mad coz u r a fattie lol’

        – Words Don’t Come Easy

        No wonder you called me a White Knight SJW and why you visit sites like this.

    2. blacknwhiterose November 10, 2015 at 2:03 am

      Most atheists I know are blind followers of mainstream American secularism. Religious conservatives are the new rock and rollers. My virgin (yes, that is my business), conservative Christian girlfriend and I celebrate our complementary gender roles. It’s more fun than staring down the barrel of thousands of years of human evolution. Thousands of men and women are critically thinking and rejecting liberalism, deal with it!

      1. CarlosFontesJr November 10, 2015 at 2:22 am

        Well, you don’t know me personally, I’m not blind (20/20 BTW), and I am a really big fan of separation of church and state. You don’t like my ideas, right? Imagine my ideas being taught to your kids in public school. There needs to be a line between objective truths and people’s personal truths. You can tell me the sky is green all you want, but that doesn’t change that the sky is blue. I’m glad you enjoy your relationship with your virgin girlfriend. Too bad I’m sure you believe that relationships that don’t confirm to your personal proclivities should be illegal. Since I don’t shit what other people eat, I don’t really care what people are rejecting, but I am glad they’re at least thinking about something! Deal with it? Why? That’s like me saying, “You like Star Trek, but I like Star Wars! So do thousands of other men and women! Deal with it!” Kind of idiotic.

        I am an atheist, but I have read the Bible. Fascinating book and an important part of literature. Here’s a choice excerpt you might enjoy since you are a Conservative Christian:

        Matthew 7: 1 – 5

        “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”

      2. blacknwhiterose November 10, 2015 at 5:08 pm

        We all have to make a sober judgement at some point. Over-emphasis of forgiveness/non-judgement is a hallmark of churchianity. “But righteous men shall pass judgement on them with the sentence of adulteresses, and with the sentence of women who shed blood because they are adultere sses, and blood is on their hands.” –Ezekiel 23:45

      3. CarlosFontesJr November 10, 2015 at 5:18 pm

        Ezekiel 23: 47

        “The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords; they will kill their sons and daughters and burn down their houses.”


    3. GetItGoing January 1, 2016 at 8:54 pm

      ^ Found the male feminist

  88. Christopher Moran November 6, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    Even more fundamental than “7 Things I Require In The Future Mother Of My Children”, is first asking yourself if you are sure you realllly want children.

    Several studies have shown that happiness drops considerably after having children, especially while your children are infants and teenagers. Happiness does not return to pre-child levels until after your children leave home.

    Also, I read some other research that concluded that the feelings of love and purpose that people feel because of their children, were merely ex-post facto rationalizations due to the massive amounts of time and money they invested in them.

  89. Juan November 7, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    This post is kind of racist, It´s just an opinion coming from the ignorance. i have reed your book about seduction but i dont know your ideas, about your opinion concern to the other “races”, the women´s place in society etc it would be great if you write a post explaining all that stuff for people like me who believes that a women can do every job (Probably Ibelieve that because of social conditioning) Keep up with the work

  90. Hejsssaa November 10, 2015 at 10:30 am

    Religion is stupid, stay away from religious people. Islam Allows you to kill unbelievers and rape women and keep slaves, the bible also likes slavery. The whole concept with god told me to tell you is dumb… Most wars has been fought over religion. Believe In god or something bigger YES! But religion NO.

  91. Hejsssaa November 10, 2015 at 10:30 am

    I hope you Never get a daughter though.

  92. secretMD November 12, 2015 at 4:18 am

    Religion is still around because it works

  93. Puccalove69 November 13, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    Good luck finding a nice girl and keeping her away from the Internet so she doesn’t find out who you are.

  94. Ben Chazley November 13, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    Whoever wrote this is a terrible human being with zero chance of having a wife lol.

    1. GetItGoing January 1, 2016 at 8:51 pm

      1. Visit website
      2. Make insulting comment with nothing of merit to back it up whatsoever
      3. ??
      4. Fail

      1. Ben Chazley February 5, 2016 at 7:15 pm

        1. Be a hypocrite by criticizing someone for the exact same thing you are doing and fail to crib a South Park joke properly.
        3. Return to being a terrible human being with out profiting due to 1.

      2. GetItGoing February 6, 2016 at 2:09 am

        Damn dude, that’s lame.

  95. CarlosFontesJr November 15, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Why did my replies get deleted?

  96. TyDaMan November 19, 2015 at 7:51 am

    Definitely agree with #1. Truth is, most women above 2 are messed up one way or another. I’ve met a bunch.

  97. Anonymous age 72 November 19, 2015 at 5:36 pm

    A lot of talk about nations and continents. Roosh does not want to marry a nation nor continent. He wants one woman.

    There is a reason for wanting a woman to have a god. Women without religion tend to do things based on what feels good. That is, they do not recognize any morality external to their own emotions. If it feels good, I am going to do it. Your life is over if you marry a fiend like that.

    If a woman recognizes an external authority, she is much more likely to look at the wisdom of her religion when a major decision has to be made. The wisdom of the ages makes for much better decisions than doing whatever she feels like at any moment.

    I am reminded of a work buddy before I retired. When he was a young man, he was pretty much a successful womanizer.

    His first lover made him feel great for like 6 months before he tired of her.

    The next one was honeymoon time for around 3 months. The next one, again, half the time. He finally got down to where it felt like honeymoon just long enough to get his rocks off.

    That is when he decided to get married and have kids. he is the one who taught me the real reason to marry a woman who recognizes an external moral authority. He did and he has been married well over 40 years.

  98. Rose November 27, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    Number 7- can’t argue with Roosh’s experience, of course, but I have to disagree. I have been religious and agnostic/secular in my life and spent years in both circles; so far, from what I’ve observed, the secular relationships are more successful. Young religious girls marry at 18-25, too young to ever have questioned the worldview dictated to them by their faith… with only one exception in my extended circle, it all falls apart a few years later. The secular relationships built on a foundation of maturity and partnership are rare, but much stronger. Personally, as an agnostic, I find that my love for my husband and family is the only source of meaning approaching spiritual-level significance that I have; I value it and fight for it accordingly.

    Also, to add a little female perspective, I’d respectfully suggest an addendum to #2; in addition to the low ‘notch count’, it’s important that you are the the ONLY man she has ever truly loved. Women (myself included) have crazy loyalty for their first love. But once someone (of either gender, I guess) learns through experience that it’s possible to create that kind of epic connection twice– I mean, that’s not something you can unlearn, and the loyalty brought to the second or subsequent relationships is unlikely to be the same.

  99. Martin December 1, 2015 at 2:33 am

    Why is it its ok for you to to pursue your life of non stop sex before you want to settle but for women with those kinds of desires they suddenly become ‘cum dumpsters’ who are unworthy of mothering a child? And then you go on about God and how morally superior you are.. Sounds like your just a massive hypocrite

    1. GetItGoing January 1, 2016 at 8:50 pm

      He never said he was morally superior.

      Men and women fare differently in terms of how they are affected by sexual history. I can separate women I’ve slept with from the very different situation of a long-term relationship.

      Women are affected very negatively long-term after high partner count, as much as they hee-haw and try to pretend it’s not true. I know this is true from experience.

    2. Robere July 3, 2016 at 9:39 pm

      It’s basic common sense. A woman is the one being penetrated. The very act of sex is a woman being “invaded” upon, penetrated. The act of sex is more psychologically impressing on a woman’s mind than a man’s. Eggs are very few…a woman only gets a hundred or so in a lifetime. So biologically, she’s not made to receive as many sexual partners. She’s smaller and weaker and “takes it” A man penetrates…he “gives it” Men produce billions of sperm in a lifetime. They are biologically made to spread their seed. This is really just common sense if you know anything about human anatomy and the male and female psyches, and really is a stupid question on your part that should not require explanation. But here I am explaining it anyway.

  100. Ashlyn December 7, 2015 at 6:06 pm

    lmaoo like you’re ever going to get married mate. xD

  101. Helen Olivas December 13, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    I think I fit this list, but the problem for me is finding a man who fits ~my~ list, which would include not having the fame or historic of the author. I would ideally marry a man in his 30’s while I’m in my early 20’s, but it seems good men are nowhere to be found, specially here in Brazil. This list also reminds me that I’m not getting any younger and soon will be over 25, then 30, then…

    1. Jim Johnson July 10, 2017 at 6:45 pm

      Good mindset, but don’t be too picky. 23 is peak attractiveness, so that is when you should cash in your chips. What happens is guys of all ages go for women who are in their early 20’s, so they get an undue amount of attention, building up pride and expectations. A guy who is drooling over you now will overlook you in 10 years.

  102. Elie Challita December 17, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    1- So basically you want someone who’s too young to know any better? The only women 18 to 25 that I’ve ever dated were years beyond their actual age in maturity and life experience.

    2- You claim to have fucked every women from sea to shining sea, and you have the gall to put a limitation on how many people your own partner can have slept with? Or is it that you just don’t want her to have encountered anyone who’s actually good in bed before settling for your sorry ass?

    3- Good luck telling your wife “You’re not all that good-looking, but it’s ok because I’m willing to settle.”

    4- Say what now? It’s one thing not to be attracted to certain ethnicities, but if your sole concern is for the kids to look like you you might as well go ahead and clone yourself. Come to think of it, that might be the only way you’ll ever reproduce.

    5- I’m attracted to feminine women too, but what kind of half-assed man are you that you’re threatened by the thought of a woman competing with you in mental or physical strength? Bud, I’m PROUD that my girlfriend can give me a run for my money, or even blast past me on occasion, in both categories.

    6- Perfectly fine if that’s what she’s looking for herself, and I do know some women who actually want to be housewives, but your pronouncements and expectations are more in line with having a live-in maid than what you’d expect from a spouse. Besides, what king of woman would be such a doormat that she’d let you not only dictate her career choices, but her hobbies as well?

    7- Nothing wrong with wanting a woman who shares the same belief system as you. However, speaking as a godless degenerate myself, I can honestly tell you that you’re a sorry excuse for moral superiority if you can’t recognize the blatant hypocrisy in your own statements.

    1. GetItGoing January 1, 2016 at 8:43 pm

      ^ Found the white knight.

      Male-shaming is one thing when coming from a woman, but when from another man (and I use the term loosely), that is sad indeed.

      1. Elie Challita January 1, 2016 at 9:57 pm

        Never shamed anyone else for having a Y-chromosome, as far as I know. I do consider Roosh’s views, however, to be collectively shameful.
        He’s free to look for whatever he wants in a relationship, of course, but I do reserve the right to lose respect for him based on it.

      2. GetItGoing January 4, 2016 at 11:38 am

        I think you definitely need to re-read what you wrote.

        “…but what kind of half-assed man are you that you’re threatened by the
        thought of a woman competing with you in mental or physical strength?

        That’s pretty clear right there. Leaning heavily into the feminist mentality.

        Disagreeing with what a man says and thinks is ideal is one thing. Attempting to insult and belittle him for it, and imply he doesn’t satisfy some feminist ideals is entirely different.

        If you hate a man having masculine ideals and his own wants and needs that aren’t politically correct, why are you here?

      3. Elie Challita January 4, 2016 at 11:49 am

        Mostly because Roosh’s post got linked on a comedy site, and I wanted to point out how inane I thought it was.
        I really wouldn’t care about his preferences for weaker women, if he didn’t make it a point of being some sort of alpha male game-god. I think it’s a fine bit of hypocritical comedy when a guy who thinks he holds the keys to society, or promises to get you any woman you want, admits that many women are too superior to him mentally or physically for him to handle.

      4. GetItGoing January 4, 2016 at 12:13 pm

        I’ve met Roosh in person and followed his articles for some time now, in addition to reading a few of his books. The things you claim aren’t true.

      5. Elie Challita January 4, 2016 at 12:32 pm

        Just saying, his entire business model is built on promising how to be a superior man, and getting women to sleep with you. Then he outright admits in this post that many women are too strong or intelligent for him. How do you reconcile the two?

      6. Sev June 25, 2017 at 8:37 pm

        Hello again unlikely internet friend. I see we meet again. It is I, your unlikely feminist unicorn friend. I am still impressed by your ability to write in coherent sentences.

      7. GetItGoing June 27, 2017 at 12:28 am

        I can tell by your attitude you need a strong man to get you under control. Women sometimes get testy when they haven’t gotten any for some time.

        I wouldn’t hesitate to put you over my knee and spank the sass out of you until you’re calm again. 🙂

      8. Jim Johnson July 10, 2017 at 6:39 pm

        “your unlikely feminist unicorn friend”…….

        not really…. a “unicorn” will not think of herself as one. Arrogance ie. “narcissism” is not a good quality to have. Curious on how many of these points you hit. The unicorn will hit all 7, and still not recognize it.

    2. Fake Drake February 9, 2016 at 12:36 pm

      He shouldn’t reproduce. He’s too ugly and stupid.

  103. OrangeJello December 19, 2015 at 1:05 am

    I made a similar list a few years back. I ended up marrying a woman who fit the bill and I couldn’t be happier.

    These 7 requirements may slice your acceptable population down to a small number, but I can assure that women such as these are out there. A good marriage, while definitely harder to attain now than 20 years ago, isn’t quite the unimaginable dream that many make it out to be.

    1. Fake Drake February 9, 2016 at 12:34 pm

      Did you buy her from russia?

  104. Mark Max December 28, 2015 at 1:35 am

    Roosh is a great man, I bet he’s got many women standing up in lines to pop his children.

  105. Megha February 1, 2016 at 3:17 am

    PLEASE, for the Love of God, DO NOT reproduce. Thanks.

  106. Toxic Avenger February 2, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    Conclusion: you’re a spoiled shitbag who doesn’t deserve a woman.

  107. Belladonna February 5, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    All these wants from the comfort of your momma’s basement. Do you yell for her when you have to go to the bathroom? Does she still wipe your bottom? Sweet man child!

  108. rita February 9, 2016 at 4:50 am

    What an asshole! with that attitude, either you end up alone or with a nice piece of crazy…

  109. Fake Drake February 9, 2016 at 12:34 pm

    You work at “the cafe”? What?

  110. Little Bo Peep April 30, 2016 at 6:41 am

    Number 4 is interesting, Roosh. You know, your kids will look like you even if you had a wife who’s quite darker (speaking from experience – English man with a quite dark south Thai wife). Only Negros will start to be a bit bizarre in resemblance, but I’d be open to a Negro concubine if she was a young virgin. I wouldn’t go out of my way for her, though.

    Anyhow, Persian women… you know, I met a couple of sisters once. Super hot and stuff. A pity I wasn’t switched on at the time. They’d been taught perfect English by an American teacher, so they had an American accent and I couldn’t pick where they were from (I knew they weren’t American, though). I surmised it was Italy or Greece. I was surprised to learn they were from Iran.

    I consider Arab and Persian women to be a fucking gem-stone if you can find one. If you’re not a Muslim, though… but their culture makes them solid wives. It’d be interesting to travel to the Middle East and actually see if it is possible to meet such a woman. I have too many doubts to bother forking out cash for the venture, though. I’ll stick with India for my next wife.

  111. NK May 16, 2016 at 11:13 am

    If the woman has a cause wider than the family, community work maybe or activist ish stuff, does that seem like a quality to you guys? Stahm is the right choice, but if she is of high intelligence or has other talents she shall likely get bored when the kids are at school.

  112. Joselyn May 16, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    I’m an old fashioned gal raised in little Fiji living in Australia who wants a family but I keep meeting men who want to get in bed with me after one meetup 💔 one kept messaging me pictures of his BMW n another booked a 5 star hotel room for second date and one man pinned me to the couch n wanted to know if he was “the one” on third date 😭

  113. Johnstep July 5, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    Roosh would you marry a 5 if she had all the other requirements?

  114. Elizabeth Bay July 5, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    Nothing wrong with this list. It’s traditional values…that value a real woman.

  115. AllThingsGeek July 10, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    It’s good to have standard. But honey your disillusions are pretty tragic.

  116. Cali December 25, 2016 at 3:19 am

    You’re a complete idiot.

  117. Spectre Scribe May 26, 2017 at 8:45 pm

    Solid list, near perfect, I would say if its a list of requirements suitable for reproduction (and not necessarily state-sanctioned marriage)* than in my opinion I would shoot for 16 – 23 yrs of age. I know I know, 16 seems fuckin young to a lot of dudes, but there’s 16 / 17 yr olds now who can easily influence a 25 – 30 yr old man. Point is 95% of 16, 17, and 18 year old girls are more suitable for the ‘pre-molding’ required; i.e. society won’t have totally molded her yet and the man can properly lock her down. Once past 18 man, it just starts to go down hill man, girls will be super aware of there age and the sexual dynamic way more than they already were. You have to take into account that a 18 yr old girl has the social skill of like a 26 + year old man. 16 year year olds are near ideal, obviously there off limits and I’m not propmoting you go hookup with one, but point is biology and objective truths are king here. A 16 year old girl is more or less ideal for getting her mind into motherhood and family. I would say a 18 or 19 year old is ideal time for your first child though. A 16 year old girl is simlpy put, just too immature for the task of motherhood. Give her a couple years though and by 18 / 19 she is essentially at the ideal age to start having kids. I’m simply saying the REAL ideal would be the man locking her down at 16. Men need nearly 4 or 5 + extra years of social conditioning to catch up to a girl. A 21 year old guy and a 16 year old girl is I believe the objective logical truth, give or take maybe a yr or two per individual. Regardless point is that girls socially ‘level-up’ way faster than men and thus need locked-down sooner as well. The reason there are even feminists at all in the first place is because the bitch was never locked down and went on a relativistic emo roller coaster. Anyways, I think solid list overall. I’d lower the age from 16 -23. Man 25 year old girls are just as fucked up as the rest of them. 23 is sort of a key age because she is aware shes not in her mid twenty’s yet. Once that awareness springs into her mind all is lost. Literally.

    1. Sev June 25, 2017 at 8:35 pm

      This is utterly frightening. I get liking girls 18-25. But 16? What the hell?

  118. Ramanuj Mukherjee August 9, 2017 at 2:40 pm

    This is written by a really insecure man.

  119. lykbird January 2, 2018 at 6:06 am

    The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

  120. Alex Gogue February 20, 2018 at 11:35 am

    I’ll stick to surrogacy. Kids need a father more than a mother and raising kids with a woman is just asking for difficulty and disputes.