9 Ways Game Has Changed From 2001 To 2018

A lot of men ask me what it was like to run game on American women over 15 years ago. While I don’t automatically take the nostalgic view that everything in the past was better than today, if you knew how to cold approach in 2001, you received significantly higher results than from the same effort in 2018.

Many men who tried game back then become addicted to it because of how effective it was, but today, a man in the bottom 50% who tries game is likely to quit within two years because of paltry gains, and then join one of many “say no to women” movements online. Here’s how game was different when I used it in 2001 at the age of 22 years old…

1. Boldness created greater attraction

Approaching a girl you didn’t know was so novel back then that if you did it, the girl would become extremely curious, even if you had a horrible opening line. Many would say how “confident” you were, a compliment that you rarely hear today. The boldness alone created such a huge spike of attraction that it was enough to propel you to at least a number or kiss as long you didn’t approach huge groups of girls in the Mystery style.

Nowadays, a girl is approached so often in different types of venues and on the internet that the most direct of openers may give you a minute of her attention (if that). What was bold 15 years ago is now the new standard today, suggesting that there is an arms race of game and status within any society that foolishly allows women to choose their sexual partners.

2. Rejections were softer

In the past, I can’t remember being punished for an approach as long as I didn’t do something stupid. The standard rejection was “Sorry I have to go back to my friends.” Another common one was a girl excusing herself to the bathroom but never returning. Getting rejected wasn’t fun but you got over it quickly.

Nowadays, girls with fragile egos have the intention of harshly rejecting men because it’s a way they can feel more beautiful than they really are. Since they cannot get a Persian Chad to commit to them, they will reject most men and rationalize that they are all “losers” instead of improving their own beauty or femininity. This is why you’re far more likely to get a harsh rejection from a girl in the 5-7 range than hotter ones who get pursued by higher quality men.

3. Night venues were more consistent

I could set my clock to a bar or club on certain nights. If it was good last Friday night, it would be good this Friday and also be good next Friday, making it easier to be a regular at a venue and get consistent rewards from it. I remember going to venues every week for a year and not seeing any drop in my return on investment.

Nowadays, venues experience fast churn-and-burn rates because of smartphones, which has allowed females to scratch their itch for always hitting “trendy” venues. Since girls stay in touch with their friends throughout the night, they are much more likely to leave a venue and go somewhere else that is good for the moment. It’s unlikely that a venue will give you high returns for more than a month or two, meaning that you must constantly try out new spots.

4. Girls were thinner

There were fat girls back in 2001, but they were rare enough that if you saw one you’d point her to your friend. Thin girls were in such abundance that you would judge faces more than bodies, and not get especially excited just because a girl wasn’t a land whale.

While there are enough thin women around in the big cities today, they get an overabundance of attention simply for not being overweight. Their beauty can meet your standard, but you may not meet theirs because they have come to expect courtship from the top 10% of men. It’s not uncommon for a thin girl in the 7 range to even get pursued by sports athletes. Once an athlete bangs her out, you will be excluded from having a reasonable chance of dating her in the future. Even butterfaces can get hotly pursued.

5. Contacting girls was more difficult

I would estimate that about 40% of girls had a cell phone in 2001. This meant that you often had to call landlines and get an answering machine. Sometimes you’d play phone tag for days, and with younger girls, it was common to call and have her parent pick up. Calling girls for the first time would be more nerve-racking if you were a game newbie, which meant you had to pump yourself up before making the call.

Nowadays, a monkey can text a girl with a basic script and get her out on a date, and there will be no doubt that she saw your text within a few minutes because of how attached girls have become to their phones. The bright spot is that if a girl is interested in you, it’s much easier to get her out on a date than in the past.

6. Conversations had fewer interruptions

When I approached a girl, I had her undivided attention to spit what I can now admit was poor game. I wasn’t cockblocked, I didn’t have to compete with her phone, and most importantly, she was capable of having a conversation with me where not every little thing I said was amazingly exciting or interesting.

Today, I’ll be lucky if I have a stretch of three minutes where she maintains her focus on me. More likely, I’ll get a “Hold on” while she messages friends who are on her way to the venue, and then her fat friends will intrude on the conversation and monitor me like I’m some sort of criminal, and then the bartender will cockblock me because he’s thirsty, and so on. The only way for a girl to zone all of that out is if she really likes you, which is not going to happen every night.

7. Girls had empty penis pipelines

Girls used to go out and have zero prospects in their pipeline. Because of that, they would not only show more interest in you but also follow through on dates with only minor flaking. It wasn’t uncommon for me to meet girls who hadn’t been laid in months.

Nowadays, not only do girls have full penis pipelines, but their bench is also full of backups waiting to get into the main rotation. Many girls simply don’t have any more room to get with a new guy. Even if you are slightly above her starting roster in value, she won’t be able to recognize it because all the cock in her life is putting her through a dizzy spell. To bang a girl today, you have to find a girl who recently lost one of her starting penises or wants to try something completely new.

8. Girls weren’t as sensitive

No topic was off limits. You could joke about gays, people of other races, and even throw out some sexist humor. The girls may not have laughed, but they didn’t get offended. You could recover from a bad joke and continue.

Nowadays, you can’t joke, especially in big cities. I repeat, you cannot joke. From the moment a girl wakes up, she’s braced to hear something offensive and will be triggered at the most banal of comments that suggest not every human being in the world is equal. You can’t even say “That’s gay” to something that’s obviously gay, and if you suggest that homos should not be able to marry, she may call the police on you. It’s clear now that male feminists were the early adopters to treating women as the sensitive children they want to be treated as.

9. Sex was more vanilla

I don’t remember having much porn star quality sex until the later half of the 2000’s. Most girls acted natural in bed and made basic noises and movements that were sufficient enough for me, a man who only needs a vagina attached to a normal body and pretty face to feel sexual pleasure.

Today, girls go overboard in trying to prove how sexy and dirty they are. Instead of giving me pleasure, I feel like I’m on a porno set where a fat Jewish man will yell “Cut!” any second. Their porno style takes me out of the moment and engages my logical brain into thinking why she’s acting in such a way with a man she has only known for a few hours. Maybe this girl can make me feel good, but only in a technical way.

Conclusion

While not everything was rosy in 2001, it was significantly better as a man who knew how to approach women. On every metric that matters, it was far easier to connect and sleep with them. It’s gotten so bad 17 years later that there are now semi-organized movements dedicated to foregoing contact with women altogether, and they seem to be growing.

Women don’t care about the grievances of normal men because they think they will hit the lottery and snag a high-value stud at the moment their career becomes everything they dreamed of. Though many women will lose this game, that gives normal men little condolence, and unfortunately I believe things will remain at the level we see today for many years to come.

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10. Because of social networks like facebook, twitter, reddit. of which later on the content gets shared privately in messaging apps and groups, men now have to come up with original game that isn’t cliche, because girls are now game savvy.

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That’s only important if a girl has medium attraction for you. If she’s VERY attracted to you, words won’t matter much.

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Do you know when you will be host the next live stream?

Thanks for the great content!

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Next one is discord. There are slut networks on discord. 90% fatties/crazies and 10% guys wanting to show off chicks they banged. The cosplay chicks can be good atleast in terms of healthy BMI and ability to look good.

On the upside from discord I have learned that Northern England is apparently amazing for hot excellent BMI chicks aged 18/19/20. Downside is drug culture is rife

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“On the upside from discord I have learned that Northern England is apparently amazing for hot excellent BMI chicks aged 18/19/20.”

You mean this;

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nope. manchester 19 and 20 yr olds are hot af.

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I remember getting back out there after my long term and I couldn’t believe how fat women become. Even the 18-20 look like they were in their 30s.

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Nah, you don’t really need to come up with fantastic original game to somehow “compete” with Internet attention. Yeah girls like it at some level but it’s like bread-and-water level ego-sustenance nearly anything else is better.

For example ever know a guy (and let’s be real it might have been you or me at some point we’ve all made mistakes in life) who chatted with some Internet cutie day after day but for whatever reason couldn’t get the logistics to make it happen? Still though his eGame is so tight he’s pretty sure he’s got it “in the bag” and then one day she ghosts his ass forever? What happened? Some guy she was feeling walked up to her in the real world and said “Hi” at the right time and all that witty eGame was forgotten about immediately.

I think believing you have to be the Originality Master is falling danger close to “I’m different than the other guys!”-game which unless you are actually William Jennings Bryan IRL able to make panties drop with your master oratory skills is a losing plan. I don’t believe I have that ability personally or that it’s my job in life to hard sell ice to eskimos, screening is way more important than being clever.

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#4 and #7 are particularly depressing for a hard case like myself. I need solutions, not more problems, lol. Oh well, gotta learn the cold truth before we can attack it. Oh yeah, with Facebook joining the dating site bandwagon, it’s going to get worse before it will get better…and that’s an understatement. I hate it. The new game will be opening lines of telling her how fat she is, lol!

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Looking at birthrates, combined with an absurd man-hating culture, for the past 20 years, I think game will get even harder to run as time goes on. Love tourism will eventually become required if not the norm to even have a faithful girlfriend. Something needs to change with the education system to put things at an even remotely fair level, and it will be decades before healthy birthrates can even out the sex ratio for young men.

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Love tourism getting harder as well. Every year there are fewer places that give foreign men a worthwhile advantage. Things will come to a head within the next 10 years.

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Sex Ratio is a red herring. Anyone with basic math can figure this out when you realize that sexual dimorphism extends to age of sexuality/marriage. Men start sexing at later ages. This age gap in turn, turns the tables. In societies (most traditional ones) where the females marry at 16 and the men at 35, every single man can have 2 virgin brides for life, and still have women left over. In a society that is increasing rapidly, females marry at 16, men can marry at age 27 and still every man has 2 virgin brides for life, with women left over. Simple math, once your brain allows you to crunch the numbers and see it. China and India kill off their baby girls because there are TOO MANY women. There is no “shortage” of women in these countries once you factor in the age gap between men and women at marriage.

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There is many tens of millions more relatively young (under 40) Chinese men than women. It is actually a huge problem, and is directly a result of the one-child policy which favored male offspring for many families. Now it’s back to two, but the damage has been done for an entire generation of men who will never have children, marry, or even have sex in general (we are talking about relatively timid and dopey Chinamen after all).

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You are mistaken. There is no problem, unless some societal force is making the women marry too late. Feminism, perhaps. Later female marriage age narrows the gap. In traditional patriarchal societies, a situation like that of China is not an issue, just a lot of men that normally would have 2 wives, end up having 1 wife.

In Japan at least, women are strongly encouraged to marry before they leave their 20’s.

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A friend who is a bouncer at several strip clubs around NYC says a lot of strip club customers are pathetic Asian foreign students who don’t have any game.

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The more cars I see parked at the local strip clubs on a Saturday night the better I feel, that’s a couple thousand fewer dudes who won’t be trashing the ratios at the “regular” clubs nearby. There are strippers there too except you don’t have to pay to meet them.

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@rogerberens:disqus As a former employee of such venues, I can vouch that the majority of the customers—-regardless of race—-fit that description.

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My friend says he sees a lot of geeky students, soy boys, sad married guys who aren’t getting any from a hag wife, and gangsta wannabees who think that they can throw money at a stripper and get sex.

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True but past societies had wars which killed off the surplus male population.

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I’ve been told that in Panama, Colombia, and Brazil, it is getting harder for foreign men to cold approach women because the women assume that foreign men are all sex tourists. Introduction services are having a hard time getting enough men for romance tours.

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A friend who spent a month in Cali and Medellin, said that some clubs were less than welcoming for foreign men. There apparently has been a police crack down on sex tourism and prostitution in Colombia.

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Disagree at least here in Brazil, unless If you stay in the tourist/expat heavy venues; Your biggest challenge will be the language barrier but even that can work to your to advantage due to Brazil’s high crime rate. Women here tend to relax when they realize your not a local, I guess Gringos speaking Portuguese are not that common as opposed to Spanish. Also isn’t that a good sign, not getting enough men for romance tours?

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Ok. My friend who was in Brazil recently must have been in a tourist area. He said the women he tried to talk to were very wary. Of course maybe his Brazilian Portuguese isn’t good. As far as romance tours, for men going to another country for the first time, it’s a good way to get to know a new country. I’m hearing stories about guys going to meet with women they met on Latin Cupid.com getting robbed when they actually go to meet the girl, and discover that they were dealing with a catfishing scam. A Canadian guy went to Santa Marta, Colombia, to meet the woman he had been messaging with, and got robbed of everything he had with him. He was left naked by the thieves. International catfishing.

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Scarcity mentality

90% of people:

1). Don’t own a car

2). Make less than $500 a month

3). Work in an agrarian based industry

The vast majority of the earths population live HAND TO MOUTH.

Every year the number of people in extreme poverty increases in 80 million.

According to the U.N., “Nearly half the world’s population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day.” According to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

Those numbers are so shocking that you might only think about them in the abstract. But when you consider them in the context of the entire globe, including yourself, the skewing effects they have on the distribution of income is simply massive. It means that Americans we consider poor are among some of the world’s most well-off. As Milanovic notes, “the poorest [5%] of Americans are better off than more than two-thirds of the world population.” Furthermore, “only about 3 percent of the Indian population have incomes higher than the bottom (the very poorest) U.S. percentile.”

Many of those protesting the 1% are, ironically, the 1%.

As Milanovic notes, “One’s income … crucially depends on citizenship, which in turn … means place of birth. All people born in rich countries thus receive a location premium … all those born in poor countries get a location penalty.

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You`re living in a fantasy if you think fertility rates among Euro women will rebound. (No offense) I predict they will fall as low as 1 child per woman in the Euro zone by mid to late century, not including non-white women in Europe of course. And I can`t see what will ever bring the birth rate back up towards replacement level. (2,1 app.)

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What would bring back Euro fertility is very easy. But it is something they will never accept. Noone accepts loss of status. Status has to be awarded to women who are a) married and b) more status for each living child she has brought forth between her feet.. These are clearly anti-Western values, so the West will die. And that small remnant that the West has oppressed for all these centuries, we will rise again and inherit the West, and piss and shit on Saint Augustines grave, that great homosexual false teacher.

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I`m afraid we`ll be breed out of existence before there is a cultural shift. That cultural shift might never come at all! Trying to go return to religious values of old is in all likelihood a futile endeavour. Personally I believe technological advance and life extension is the only hope for saving the European genome, as opposed to breeding more.

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The religious values “of old” were themselves corrupted, just read the crap by Saint Augustine and others of his era. Look at the Akathist hymns, pure pussy begging. No wonder the Muslims took over.

There will be a great die-off. But a remnant will remain. There always does. But it will be small and weak for at least 1000 years.

Life extension isn’t an option. It relies on technology and social organization that we have never had, and we no longer have the IQ and trust levels to develop. Breeding is the only option. That means only those who swallow their pride and adopt some lifestyle like the Amish or others even more offensive to modern sensibilities, will inherit the earth.

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I really don`t think religion is the way. It will always be corrupted since it`s not based on empiricism, just like political religions. (Marxism, Feminism etc.) Life extension is not such a difficult problem as you might think. There are many biologically immortal organisms on the planet. (lobsters, some clams, bowhead whales.)

Nature knows how keep organisms alive, it`s just that ageing was an evolutionary advantage at one stage, and hence evolution evolved death mechanisms like telomerase repression. Solving ageing is not a problem on par with say building a base on Mars etc. It`s hard, but doable.

It`s more like the Amish and equivalent groups will eventually be corrupted by the same forces that has corrupted women and societies elsewhere, rather than more people going in that direction.

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You want to go with a solution that is pure speculation at this point, may not even be possible, in preference to a solution that has worked for thousands of years, and that still works. Enough. The red pill is about living in reality, not fantasy.

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Replication has worked since the beginning of life, otherwise non of us would have been here. But as I said, biological immortality is not such a radical concept as there is precedence for it. (Read the article I linked to)

You might say that it`s equally a fantasy to think that women will start breeding again in sustainable numbers! You might also say that because walking on your feet works, there is still good reasons to drive a car, or fly in a jet plane etc.

In a broader context, if we just continue like today it`s only matter of time before a big rock from space, volcanic eruption etc. will destroy our species, or all life on the planet. The only hope of a better outcome is technological advance. I see life extension more as a next step in human evolution. (Evolution guided by intelligence.)

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I can suggest Peter Diamandis newsletter called “The Abundance newsletter”.

The amount of private regenerative medicine startups (with results !) is staggering.

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Most Americans are non-religious already, there are Americans who say they’re non-religious and there are Americans who say they’re Christians.

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The Amish likely won’t be targeted for corruption because they’re a contained group and too small to be a threat to the powers. At least they won’t be agressively injected with culture corrupting influences to the extent that whites in mainstream society are being depopulated with denaturing and desexing agenda. The Amish non insurgent tribal rules are a check mate against the state that could swat them at any munite otherwise. Just in case you wonder why Mormons are so milque toast in their verbage and in their avoidance of speaking in insurgent and rebellious terms, it’s the same reason. Today mainstream Mormons are seen pursuing military and then high security clearance deep state jobs like it’s a rite of passage. It is really to cover all the back doors – kind of like the original Jesuits? Let’s hope it’s to BLOCK the doors from the scorned bitch antichrist creature from HELL!!!

You can only be Machiavellian to a point when no matter what you do, the other side actually gains the turf.

Sometimes I think the separatist lifestyle of Amish/Hutterites is permitted by the powers to keep a hedge remaining of a certain bloodline – for use at some other future point by the powers. Amish rejection of technology is voluntary but being pure Germanic, they could master the field otherwise. Still the powers are hell bent on obliterating the bulk masses of mainstream whites. The great masses within white nations resulted from un natural population booms fueled by the need for labor in the industrial revolution. Conversely the Amish grew slowly and mating selection was carried out with great care and oversight. In this respect, you could say white American boomers began in the mid to late 1800s. European whites were a more domesticated kept grouping, culturally defined but more infantile in that they were codependent minded unto their monarchies – kind of like Asian prolies are to their custodial corporate manufacturing/boarding farms.

BLACK BOOMS heh now we’re talking wild chia pet explosion with super grow formula. South Africa was over 50% Boer/English in 1900. Then early 20th century health care programs fueled an r-selected population boom of pure blooded Bantus never before seen in history. The ‘Apartheid Acts’ were then passed in the late 40s-early 50s. Before that period there was no need to put legal teeth into racial zoning issues. Apartheid was accepted custom previously before the demographic scales tipped.

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Exactly, watch demographic winter.

Cristianofeminist values, pedestalization of women and so on means extintion, islam is the survival plan of the western elites.

In Italy, where nearly one-fourth of childbearing women will never give birth, it is nevertheless a pretty dramatic and disturbing trend. Across the Western world.

After Inviting Muslims in, Swedish Feminists Are Pushed Out

It certainly is poetic — whether you think it’s justice or not depends on your point of view. But after advocating an open-borders policy and demeaning its opponents as “racists,” some Swedish feminists are now leaving migrant-heavy areas of their nation that they say are controlled by Islamic fundamentalists.

This is all the more ironic considering how aggressively anti-Western some of these feminists have been in their advocacy of Third World migration. Just consider Social Democrat politician Mona Sahlin. Aside from theorizing that indigenous Swedes are envious of Muslims because the latter have a culture and Swedes (supposedly) don’t, she also reveled in the destruction of that native culture that never existed, stating in 2001 that “the Swedes must be integrated into the new Sweden; the old Sweden is never coming back.”

One of Sahlin’s former Social Democrat colleagues may be learning how true this is — the hard way. Nalin Pekgul, once a minister of parliament (MP), has lived in Stockholm suburb of Tensta for 30 years. Now, though, she avoids its city center because she no longer feels safe there, owing to harassment by Muslim men, according to Swedish broadcaster SVT.

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Good points there.

The Swedish Democrats are now the most popular party in the land according to latest polls though. Seems like there has been a permanent awakening in the gynocentric kingdom. It`s only on anonymous internet polls they get those results, if you call people and ask them they don`t dear say they will vote SD. I think they can “win” the next election though, which hopefully will bring about some real change.

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“Cerberus 2.0 predicts with scientific precision the disappearance of the Dutch population”

Cerberus 2.0 predicts with scientific precision the disappearance of the Dutch population

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Islam is filling the cultural vacuum of a society with no children and which believes — wrongly — it has no enemies.

Western values means extintion.

Only Europe’s Christian population is barren and aging. The Muslim population is fertile and young. “In most European countries—including England, Germany, Italy and Russia, Christian deaths outnumbered Christian births from 2010 to 2015,” writes the Wall Street Journal.

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They all make sense, except the pornstar sex one. I have no problem with that

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Most younger men are getting more betafied/soy though. It`s an opportunity to stand out if you`re alpha these days. I`m also not so sure that women get approached that much more compared to the early 2000`s. I`ve seen articles recently in the Scandinavian press where women complain that; “men never ask them out anymore.”

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Women’s standards are through the roof today, the top 20% is going to be the top 5% soon. Social media makes it easier for women to indulge in their eugenics style of dating, rendering even a lot of alpha quality guys obsolete to them.

The increasing amounts of soyboys and betas ironically make the dating game worse, because feminists are only seeking to restrict heterosexual courtship due to their sexual frustration from only being surrounded by pussy men. Its one giant shit test, but its backfiring since it causes alpha guys to either opt out altogether, or compete to be in the top 5%.

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I agree with all of this in theory, but without trying to sound arrogant, I feel that things are pretty good at the moment from where I`m standing. (Norway) I`m not saying I`m some sort of super-Alpha or anything, but it doesn`t take much to stand out in a positive way these days. Lifting weight`s, minding your diet (Paleo) and not dressing like a fag goes a long way. What would be a regular guy in the 80`s is pretty much “alpha” today. Also, most Feminists will forget about feminism all together if they`re approached by decent quality guy.

I think that the pendulum is starting to swing the other way a little in some parts of the West at least.(It might be worse in the US, UK etc. even though women there are trolls compared to Scandinavia) I get the impression many girls are somewhat desperate for non-pussified men. All of this is in the context of the dating/sex game. LTR`s are a hopeless case as I see it.

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Scandinavia is a hell hole dude. Roosh even wrote a book about how bad it is lol. Open borders and feminists galore.

The pendulum aint swinging back. In fact feminism is spreading in places like Asia or South America, which were once considered a poosy paradise for sex tourists, or guys looking for wifey material. Best to just go wherever you can still squeeze blood from a rock before its too late.

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Too late for what? Women are more dependent on men than vice versa. They spend half their lives trying to look pretty, sexy etc. If men rejects them they have nothing else to do. It`s not like they have interests outside of men in general.

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In the west, women are dependent on the state to take care of them. Men are just dildos until women hit their 30’s, get fat, and realize they want kids.

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I think we`re talking about different things. LTR`s I agree, it`s hopeless. Casual flings, ONS…not so much.

Men of course finance the State. It`s only a matter of time before the money runs out in this very unsustainable system. Particularly with the boomers retiring and all.

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The feminist women who claim that they are “too good” for the average man, will end up alone.

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Jordan Peterson, Custodian of the Patriarchy
In situations where there is too much mate choice, “a small percentage
of the guys have hyper-access to women, and so they don’t form
relationships with women,” he said. “And the women hate that.”

I don’t know about the “women hat that” part. I think women were basically made to be part of harems. But at any rate the article is interesting. Peterson has moved from describing the patriarchal structure of society to endorsing it.

It’s significant how he’s basically agreeing with Roosh – he just left out the elaboration of how all this concentration of females for the top alphas is being facilitated by phones and social media

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He was describing more the jungle law, which some would call a hard patriarchy. Under the jungle law, social media just makes it easier for women to weed out unworthy men.

In an ideal patriarchy, women were stripped of the privileges of forming harems and treating men as if they were disposable.

The real problem is sexual liberation and the lack of any legal patriarchal authority over women as a whole.

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“The real problem is sexual liberation…”

That actually isn’t a problem.

“and the lack of any legal patriarchal authority over women as a whole.”

Those halcyon days are gone, sport.

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Basically Peterson says “Alfa fux, beta bux”

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Many western feminist women will become crazy old cat ladies

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most of them already do, there is a huge epidemic of depression among single career oriented post wall women in areas like America or Scandinavia where feminism is worshiped.

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Many feminist career women now are having the same stress-related health problems, as men.

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Women used to laugh about men wanting a Playboy playmate, no matter how fat, ugly, and poor they were. Feminist women are now the ones with unrealistic expectations. Feminists believe that they should get any man they want just because they are women. Old, fat, ugly feminists are getting angry, and bitter because the alpha men they think that they “deserve” don’t exist, or don’t want them.

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Most “approaches” are done online. They have a similar effect on a girl’s ego to one done face to face.

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I see your point!
Maybe you should try a trip to Norway again though. I`m getting great results here now with aggressive “alpha” game. (I`m also 38 yo BTW.) Doesn`t hurt to be an exotic foreigner here either, as long as it`s an Anglosphere (English speaking) foreigner.

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Roosh V is an Iranian. They and other ME people aren’t exactly exotic in Norway nowadays.

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Maybe Norwegian men don’t check up Norwegian women because Norwegian women aren’t like they used to be. There are articles on Roosh V’s sites about why men don’t court women anymore, and its partly because of the women themselves: http://www.returnofkings.com/178142/7-reasons-why-american-men-no-longer-pursue-their-women

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lol this article.

This is unsustainable. you my friend roosh are a victim of circumstance. Trust me, i am a god fearing. this is so cosmopolitan, a guy who complains about how the world he wished for 17 years ago came to pass. i don’t blame you for the state of the world. im just dissapointed you can’t transcend. you can’t manifest your despair into action. you keep putting out gutless, nihilistic articles like this expecting men to relish in this hell world with you.

i miss the roosh who wanted to start a world wide revolution and hold conferences.

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Agreed

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Where’s YOUR article sport?

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Thank heavens once a man gets past 40 and libido drops he can enjoy life besides pussy begging. Women are just not worth the time, effort, and money anymore.

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And what if his libido doesn’t drop? Mine is still going strong.

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Some may be ancestral Roosh if you come from lines of males who were sires into their elderly years. I believe diet is the big determinant to T level. Leaned out and after completing a day with your body at full burn while shredding and after oxygen and rest, T goes through the roof. Alcohol and weed kills T but red wine in small moderation can work like WD 40 getting the balls rolling especially in conjunction with a cleansed system. Any system flush helps. BPD/plastics flush, liver scrub with turmeric, intestinal tubes squeaky clean. Then try the machine with superfood on a shrunken belly. With clean gizzards, your body is receptive to everything you put in. Your organs speak to you. Small amounts of superfoods are like adding nitro to a formula 1 engine. You see what you’re capable of.

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escorts are useful and less risk and less cost?

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Im 44 and can easily maintain a wife and a horny gf.

Problem is I’m in central KY and the chicks are overwhelmingly obese.

I plan to travel more soon and am upping my financial game. My wife is bi so I am considering getting a live-in gf and focusing on business and my own endeavors.

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Sex games with buddies will become the norm even for guys who are 100% straight. Who hasn’t experimented with experiments like girl for a day and waNk circle.

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WTF?
No. Just no. I’ve never even heard of the first and I thought the second was only for the weirdo metrosexual guys in LA and Frisco.

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Good article with some good points. However Roosh, you DO need to take your aging process into consideration as to why you assume game is getting harder, rather than just pointing out perceived outside influences.

I’m highly assuming you are still firmly chasing the 18-24 demographic with the utmost desirability (don’t we all?), which put you in a good players position in your mid-late 20s since chicks generally like guys 3 to 5 years older than them, but getting close to 40 it’s high time to take the black pill and accept that the youth ship is sailing.

In the various poosy paradises out there in Eastern Europe, East Asia, and South America you are now competing with more well-built and game smart expatriates than you might think, whether organically in the clubs or by Tinder swiping. Many of whom are 10 years younger than you and trying to get the same girls you want, but are more closely in tune with that 3 to 5 year age gap that the local women seek the most.

The game of a 22 year old is going to be vastly different from an almost 39 year old. It’s like comparing an old kid fresh out of college versus a man who is now old enough to be President.

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I’m in touch with many guys in their 20’s, at the peak of their game effort, so I have the advantage of comparing my experiences at their age to the difficulties they’re facing.

I also realize that my age is becoming a factor in my preferred age range, but I isolated that out of the list above.

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You are still young in your 30s, and 40s you are a grown man, not middle aged nor old. A real adult.

Obviously there is a gap with younger generations, and it’s good that way. Don’t be desperate and act like a teen or alarmist.
Accept who you are, not a distorted shaming view.

A president at 39 is the exception and weird(and that he likes to act older than he is shows he is with a granny age wife), it was not common nor normal before, nor is it now. Presidency was always and still is a role for someone in older years (i.e. 55+).
People in the US may have a skewed view on this, because agism becomes stronger in your country.

If it shows anything, than that people are in denial and want to stay kids. But there is a difference between being a kid or teen and being young.

I suggest watching older movies to understand how wrong your sensationalist scaremongerin talk is.

There is no problem attracting young ladies (if that is what you really want), as long as you don’t want childish girls that want childish men. Incidentally, those type of girls were never attracted to me, no matter what age I was in.

I attract the same type of girls, no matter my age, I haven’t seen any difference.

Grow up, be young as much as you want, and stop being a stereotype, then you wont be judged like one either.

And fucking stop spreading FUD.

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Age is a factor no doubt about that. I remember when I was early 20s we used to laugh at 30-35+ yo men still going clubbing trying to get girls, we considered them expired/old men.
Girls always proffered us younger guys than man 10-15 years older.
Western firls dont like big age gaps, 5 years max in most cases, very age sensitive.
Think about it, When you get in your 40s the only thing woman can see you as is a provider, if she just wants mad great sex there are plenty of Chads in 18-35 age bracket.
Having said all that i m sure its harder now even for younger guys than it was for us 15-20 years back. Back then confidence and average look would get you very far, nowadays it gets you nowhere, your look has to be in top tier as women have been desensitised by relentless approaches of good loooking men, most of approaches takes place online whether its social media or dating app .

HAve you ever peaked into women’s facebook messages or tinder? When you do you will know what im talking about

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All true except #7. It’s just that girls were better at hiding it back then due to lack of technological transparency.

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Brilliant and true observations my friend. Sick and sad world we have to deal with.

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I know you’ve taken the black pill roosh but where do you see a equilibrium point of the sexual market being?

Would robot vaginas help the mgtow crowd thus leaving actual women to have to compete the dwindling amount of Chad’s and want-to-be Chad’s left?

Would that act as a course correction for hypergamy?

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I don’t see anything other than war or massive economic catastrophe to really impact what we’re seeing right now.

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Female sex bots will be a hydrogen bomb in the sexual market place.

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No, they will not. Real guys want the real thing.

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Agree. No matter how ‘real’ it looks or feels, nothing will beat a real-life figure with real organs, vines and sound cords.

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Even in SE Asia they have taken the inanity of the west upon them. Degeneracy has well and truly reared its ugly head, and while it’s still possible to find more traditional women around there – it is becoming much rarer.

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Hahaha. You can’t be serious. SE Asia gladly took on the role of cum bucket for Europeans. Degeneracy? Their whole society is built on letting their women open their legs to foreigners

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I meant with traditional women that haven’t been raised as bar rats that will loosen their fuck holes to any fat foreigner with $5 to their name. It seems they have a vast extreme between the two in SE Asia, so I see your point, too, and it’s also extremely accurate.

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@Roosh_V:disqus While I’m a big fun of yours I’ll disagree with everything in this article except #5 and #6 – then again I grew up in the balkans and then in western europe so my experiences are a bit different. Still

“Daygame was novel back then”. For realz? My dad and his buddies were mass approaching tourist girls in the 70s and early 80s in Greece and italy 24/7 for at least half the year, each year. French and Italian men have been notorious cold approachers since at least the 19th century. Dunno if american guys were dweebs who suddenly discovered ‘daygame’ in 2010 through RSDTyler vids but here in Europe it’s been standard for ages -at least in some more open cultures. I guess sweden wasn’t like that.

“Girls were thinner”. Really? Because high fructose corn syrup and sitting on your ass all day long were only invented in 2010! Before that all women were Jane-Fonda-aerobic-crazy.

” Girls had empty penis pipelines” : Yeah….nah…the hotties always had guys lining up. Only difference is that back then they had 10, now they might have 50. Both cases are saturated.

What I will agree with OTOH is the deleterious effect of smartphones and social media. That might be the single biggest game changer and it does make things harder for all honest daygamers. That said, and with some patience, one can use the LACK of excessive social media use as a quality indicator, something that you yourself have advocated for in the past IIRC.

And of course, as others said, and while it hurts. We are getting older and lacking some high status position that manipulates young girls (thing ‘hot professor’ etc), it gets harder and harder to game prime-time ladies.

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The 80s seem like yesterday. As a youth, I remember some guys cold approaching in friend circles. You learned that stuff as a kid from peers or from dad/uncle. Seemingly outward alpha guys still ended up getting domesticated and settling for LTR with some bossy woman who grows obese. The full knowledge wsn’t there. And gay stuff was off the table and was for losers. Thanks to gay shaming there were fewer fudge packers in the 70s.

In the 70s, shuttling females into education and working careers never helped their offspring. Peer groups were therefore crucial for learning the customs for honing pussy (mating). I grew up white with an educated mother so I kind of wonder what it would have been like for my game/libido if I had grown up traditional black in the 70s 80s and witnessing my uneducated mother r-reproducing with a boom box blasting while neighborhood motherfuckers pumped the thing I called “MAMA” in the adjacent room. My parents were pretty milque toast vanilla about sex. I never heard or saw them commence the act ever. Were they like sneak thieves or did they intentionally do it completely silent like cat burglars? I will never know. They were pretty durn good at concealing doing the nasty so I learned much much more from my chums and peers and learned the HB numbering system from the many playboy mags we would discover when building forts in the woods. On weekends we’d trek to the woods with hammers, nails and scrap wood and those Penthouse and Playboy mags were like finding cache treasure under bridges. So at a young age my peer groups learned that the acceptable women to procure are 18-20, naked beauties from the midwest with impressive ravishing hair dos and they lay there with their legs spread staring you center like you were a camera. Mmm mmmm bee-you-tee-full they were.

Did it skew me the slightest? Hmmm. Dunno. I have a rock solid foundation of what is HB acceptable that’s fo sure.

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I’m sorry… because corn syrup has been around forever, girls cannot get fatter? This is not even an argument.

Girls are of course, objectively fatter, here is a NYTimes article from this year.

Subjectively, just go on youtube and look up some concert or spring break footage from the 80s and you will see almost zero fatties or tats. I can barely go out and find a single thin non tatted girl in my city.

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Yes, and you didn’t see piercings and blue or purple hair. You didn’t see people who decorated themselves like a my little pony.

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Roosh was just making overblown generalizations. Some women may harshly reject men, or may be fat, or may be distracted, or may want monkey sex.

Of course, this one is a absolute lie–“Nowadays, you can’t joke, especially in big cities. I repeat, you cannot joke.” Certainly, it appears that way with the saturation of “me, too” and the media stories of rampant sexual misconduct. The fact of the matter is that guys are still able to get girls to laugh about inappropriate things and are still able to cross lines without getting into legal hot water.

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Give me a girl, let me get my dick in her, and I’ll soon have her practicing her Seig Hiel. 😂🤣

Women adopt the views of the man whose cock they get and crave.

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Unless you have video footage showing how your (alleged) conquests worship you, you are peddling Fake News.

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Women in general love to be submissive. What world do you live in that you need proof for that??

The main issue is that they can be fucking boring, but making them say the dirtiest things is not a problem at all.

Seriously, you are all a bunch of alarmist and negative whiners, that just put people and their selfworth down.

Maybe that’s what you should start addressing instead, and you’d be fun anymore, and couldn’t blame it on “age”.

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“Women in general love to be submissive. What world do you live in that you need proof for that??”

SOME women, yes.

“The main issue is that they can be fucking boring, but making them say the dirtiest things is not a problem at all.”

SOME will oblige, yes.

“Maybe that’s what you should start addressing instead, and you’d be fun anymore, and couldn’t blame it on “age”.”

I have more wisdom than you, son. You should listen to your elders.

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“We are getting older and lacking some high status position that manipulates young girls…it gets harder and harder to game prime-time ladies.”
Sounds like the “biological clock” for men. (At least for men who don’t become rich or powerful–that is, for most men.)

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There is no biological clock for men (fertile until death). Watch older movies, age is a distinct attraction factor, and always was.

This is just feminist propaganda getting into guys heads, where guys are now afraid from “younger” competition.

Obviously not all people mix, many prefer to stay within their age group because they click better, but that’s just natural and not because you got “older”.

But honestly, that is true from both sides. This is not a biological clock issue, it’s about fitting.

Physical attractiveness of males goes UP as you age. I wonder in what distortion field you all live in to not have experienced that.

The only change is that there is a “culture” that starts to compliment men on their age. The reason is that men are now targeted by the cosmetic industry, and this message is being pushed.

Similar to how there are certain trends that affect taste, this is another. Biologically it’s not true however, and will never change.

The only change is superficial change in attractiveness if you fit a socially hyped “hotness” ideal, such as being from a certain country, having a certain job, etc.

What you all notice is a shift in that superficial attraction, and feel bad about it.

If you never were that type, things didn’t change, and your true attractivness actually increases as you mature.

I repeat it again. Men in their mid 30s to 40s are at the peek of attractiveness.

You all stop spreading FUD.

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“There is no biological clock for men (fertile until death). Watch older movies, age is a distinct attraction factor, and always was.”

When it comes to spreading their seed, correct. But as guys get older, they also can get rather unattractive real quick. Some of it is genetics and some of it is lifestyle.

“Physical attractiveness of males goes UP as you age. I wonder in what distortion field you all live in to not have experienced that.”

No. Generally speaking, as men and women age, their level of physical beauty and physique tends to decline.

“I repeat it again. Men in their mid 30s to 40s are at the peek of attractiveness.”

You can repeat it again, but you are not being accurate here.

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Men dont really age like a wine after all and women dont really hit that wall at 29.

Many young men in manosphere delude themselves thinking women will want them when they get in their 40s and 50s.
You have yout late teens, 20s and possibly 30s IF you happen to be in good shape, good genes and favorable location..things get much harder for older men unless you are paying but that takes away all the thrill and fun out of it .

Look around, how ofetn do you see 47 yo man with 25 yo woman? Unless she is import or girl from sugerdaddy site its is very rare

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Trump is 72 years old, and people call him a chad.

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Age is not a problem, and it doesn’t hurt.
I see quite the opposite reaction, I get more attention the older I get.

I agree with the rest, but you should stop spreading FUD about age. Girls DIG age, like nothing else.

And of course in your 30s and 40s, you are at your prime. I am not sure what kind of world all those people live in who don’t see that anymore.

I think media has skewed your view. Try watching some older shows and movies, to understand how wrong that impression is.

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Pretty simple – social media and online hookup/dating apps have fucked up the chances and opportunities to pick up women. To find a man, they no longer need to go to a club/bar/party/any public setting where socialising is required. They dont even need to leave their home to have access to the top 1% of men in their city. Its all available on their phone.

When u are standing in front of them, approaching them, trying your best…in the back of their mind they are thinking “who the fuck is this guy, i dont need him…iv got 1200 followes on instagram, iv got a tinder with 500 men lining up wanting to take me out”…its not impossible these days, but its incredibly difficult.

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Unless of course, u go for the girls that aren’t attractive, and therefore have very few options. These are the girls that have more of a sense of urgency to settle down younger, in their prime years. So many men…at least in Australia, have to date down…settle with girls who aren’t as attractive as they are…if they want a relationship with a girl in her 20s.

Yes, we could all move to poorer countries and get better quality (in general, the hypergamous nature of women increases your status and value compared to the local men in these countries)…but really, this isn’t an overall desirable prospect for most men. most guys from the west don’t want to move to Brazil, where you cant even flush toilet paper after u wipe your ass…where crime is high…where salaries are low…most guys don’t want to move to Ukraine where its cold, poor, where its not safe to drink the tap water…most guys dont want to move to thailand or vietnam, with stifling humidity, poverty, bad hygiene etc etc.

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You’re onto something. I hate to say one man’s trash is another man’s treasure.. but if a girl is sweet and can cook..

My wife is beautiful in my eyes. She gained then lost 50 lbs while we went through some legal hell and her attractiveness didn’t drop a bit to me. She’s bi and will give me a threesome whenever I bring another girl home. She cooks, mows, weedeats, and never turns me down for sex.

Is she a 10? No. But she is my 10.

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I gotta disagree with you. Dating apps are a shit show and mostly used for attention whoring. 80% of guys on dating apps get no dates. That’s a fact, as the data breaches of Ashley Madison proved.

The 10% of men that do well are heavily marketed and are used to sucker other guys into wasting time on those apps.

Most guys would be far far better off pounding the pavement. Going to events, meetups bars etc and learning to use their mouthpiece

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Actually, guys get a ton of dats on dating apps.

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I can really relate to #9. Sometimes I don’t even feel like having sex because I know how much the girl will expect of me. They expect me to pound them faster than humanly possible, choke them, “hit it from behind while putting my thumb in their ass” (a girl specifically requested that on tinder once, word for word).

These days, if you don’t do wild things in bed, chances are the girl will deem you “soft” or “boring” in bed. Especially the younger girls, they seem to be obsessed with the idea of having some sort of Christian Grey.

I miss the good old vanilla sex days. I found it far more feminine and attractive when girls were more natural in bed, as you called it. It made me feel more like this masculine man banging a gentle, feminine creature.

To me, it comes off as masculine and a huge turn off when these girls fuck like porn stars, violently saying things like “fuck me daddy” in bed. They even have the audacity to say things like “don’t hold back” as I’m pounding it at maximum speed/thrust. Boner killer.

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Too many women try to imitate what they see in porn because they think that’s what men want.

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I believe that wasn’t the case with a lot of the girls I slept with. They seemed genuinely upset about me not doing all this crazy shit in bed. In fact, they didn’t seem to care about what I want.

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YOU were the one you suggested it, and they turned YOU down. That’s how it played out. But now you are butthurt about it, so you go all gamma here.

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Yes. I’ve had this same experience. Easily accessible hd porn has certainly shifted how lots of people think about sex. I’ve had a girl ask me to fck her roughly and choke her at the same time.

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Nowadays I see a huge mistake, that young guys are doing. It leads them to nowhere. They are making friends with girls! They are sitting in groups in those hipster bars and just talking and talking, and feeding those girls with attention. Back then we never had any girl friends. We invited them just for one and only reason – to get them drunk and bang. Going out with girls just for “friendly” talk- we never had such a stupid idea. Me and best players I know (who are much younger than me) – we have zero female friends.

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“Me and best players I know (who are much younger than me) – we have zero female friends.”

That’s actually horrific advice for today’s men to take. Guys who have ladies as friends opens up a number of doors to meet potential new hook-ups.

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I agree with you but I have to tough time being around attractive women without trying to get in their pants. If she’s unattractive, I can’t be bothered to hang out with her.

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I spoke to an Asian woman the other day. She was obese, 40 and taking meds for schizophrenia but still juggling numerous suitors who were promising marriage. So glad my mind isn’t constructed in a way that generates this level of thirst.

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Thirst defined:

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Asian American right?
They are the worst. Asians in Asia I like.

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Approaching women is considered harassment and misogynistic hate crimes in Toronto and London, UK. But a fag, tranny or feminazi is allowed to show their nudity to your 5-year-old son at your Gay Pride or school.

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And it’s not a small irony that Roosh, and all the cohorts of the “Game” movement bear a strong responsibility in this state of affairs. Sure, when game was “new”, and a mostly individual enterprise, it was exciting and gave an edge. But when hordes of wannabe Casanovas started spurting their canned pick-up lines and mass approaching women on the streets, coffee shops and everywhere like Jehova’s Witnesses of casual sex, it ruined it for everybody – and women most of all.
Imagine, as a guy, being approached 10 times a day, or more, by sleazy salesmen telling you “hey buddy, got a minute ? I got the best car insurance in the world, I promise”. You would go nuts.
So yeah, “game” has always existed, like any skill in any field. But turning it into a mass system for the undiscerning masses, carried its own self-destruction within.

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Is a scavenging hyena responsible for the dead animals that lions and tigers killed on the savanna, as it feasts on scraps of cartilage and bone?

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Ouch. Precision bombing.

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These so called dating gurus were advocating approaching 100s of women a day anytime, everywhere, guys just followed orders and then it ruined it for everyone. I think even Roosh came up with some sort of cheat sheet with how many approaches is needed for particular country to get a bang. What did they think would happen when average girl gets hit on 100 times a day?
They get annoyed, standards go up. Now they want Christians Greys.

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Current culture is simply full of extreme contradictions, with no consistent system present to counter it.
Liberals have failed to come up with a better alternative to previous solution, and now want to blame the conservatives for their failure to do so.
In the meantime something to remember to help navigate the situation:-
”As a man, women will be a rewarding side dish you enjoy. As a boy, women will be a punishing main course you deserve.’

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As long as I’ve been alone, the sexual marketplace hasn’t been more broken.

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And it seems (as you suggested) only environmental decline is going to fix it on a large scale.
The humans are just too damn cozy being short-sighted.

All this ‘game’ ever needed was for the striker/goalkeeper to test whether the other party was worthy of playing on the same team or not. But instead ‘scoring’ is all important now.

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A fat Jewish man yelling “Cut!” LOL
All of Roosh’s 9 observations are spot on, but the number 1 difference is “Girls were thinner.” Now, there is maybe 1 in 10 that isn’t a chubster, and she’s usually with guy. My recommendation is if you’re in the USA and a white guy, try your luck with black women, especially those from the West Indies. You’re something different to them, and you can get younger, thinner, sexier women there than anywhere else in this Land of Lard.

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While there are obese women, there are more lean and mean young ladies out there in the workplace and clubs. And, indeed, men ought to pursue women within and outside of their race. Maybe you are not a lost hope after all.

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I agree with all of your views except #8….. I still joke, and I want to know right up front if she’s a sjw…..if she acts “offended”, it’s doubtful she’s fuckable anyway, and she’s probably a lousy fuck if you could pull it off…….othe otherwise, confidence is still all you need

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Female sex robots will be an thermonuclear bomb to the sexual market place.

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I’m not convinced of that.

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“Women don’t care about the grievances of normal men because they think they will hit the lottery and snag a high-value stud at the moment their career becomes everything they dreamed of.”
Feminist women have all bought into the propaganda that tells them that they “deserve” the guy from “50 Shades of Grey”. No matter how old, fat, ugly, rude, and unfeminine a 3rd wave feminist is, she believes that she is a Disney princess, who should be with a business executive who looks like a male model. Older western feminist women are getting more bitter and nasty.

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I know a 21 year old college girl who is into black dudes. She is a 6.5 at best and has had it in her head she is going to marry a professional athlete – NBA type.

She has actually went on dates with a couple basketball players who are now in the NBA. Whether she pulls it off or not, she won’t date any guy below this superstar threshold she has in her head.

Roger Berens
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Is she a women’s studies major? She will probably end up disappointed. NBA players don’t marry average looking women. Another foolish feminist who won’t live her unrealistic dream.

Shamshoun
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Great to see you Roosh firing at full strenght again despite your dark times lately!
All love and support from Finland to you comrade!

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I find myself having to struggle against cynicism when it comes to women. Even though things are bad for a lot of guys, there’s still plenty of opportunity out there. I don’t necessarily agree with this list, but that’s just my opinion.

For me, traveling has helped a lot. Not necessarily overseas, but just getting out of my city or state. Women aren’t scarce. You’ll have to put in the effort to find a decent one. I’m still on that quest myself. You just have to accept that you are unlikely to be her only cock. That is the reality for now.

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This is why you’re far more likely to get a harsh rejection from a girl in the 5-7 range than hotter ones who get pursued by higher quality men.

I’m in my mid-40’s and I could not agree more with this assessment @Roosh_V:disqus. 5’s who think they’re 10’s represent an ever increasing segment of the American female population.

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In reality, today’s American men overall are cleaning up. This notion that “girls in the 5-7 range” are “rejecting” overtures is clearly a lie. The American male craves attention for themselves, and in the process, will invite women for the ride.

Shmalkandik
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Huh, fat Jewish man envy . What a strange phenomenon to find here.

David
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David
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Stock market and pussy have one thing in common, both are grossly overvalued. I can see stock market crashing and correcting but I cant see this happening with pussy