An Introduction To The Old Testament

ISBN: 1414309473

I started to read the Bible to see if it could offer me answers beyond the “logical” explanations I already hold. I went into this endeavor with an open mind, ready to change my belief system if it was sufficiently challenged.

The Bible contains two books: the Old Testament and the New Testament. The Old Testament is a book for Jews that includes Genesis and the stories of Moses and King David, among others. It sets the stage for the New Testament and the arrival of Jesus, a Jew who came from David’s ancestral line. I started reading the King James Version before moving to the New Living Translation, which uses modern language to make reading easier (I’ll quote from both versions). This article only covers the Old Testament.

The Old Testament (OT) primarily contains rules for Jews, many of which are followed by Christians, such as the Ten Commandments (Jews also get many of their rules from the Talmud and other texts). If there’s a rule in the OT that Christians don’t have to follow, it was “fulfilled” by Jesus and his ultimate sacrifice. The larger rules such as not killing or bearing false witness apply to both religions, which is where a term like “Judeo-Christian morals” come from.

What I quickly realized is that the legitimacy of Jesus depends on the accuracy and truthfulness of the OT. If the OT is false then Jesus did not come from the line of David and any prophecy he fulfilled is also false. This means that you must believe in the story of the OT to also believe in Jesus being the son of God.

Christians have a special place in their hearts for Jews, because Jesus was a Jew and they accept that God originally chose them as His people, but if the OT is not real then the New Testament (NT) is at least partly a work of fiction.

A woman ruined paradise on Earth

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Count on a woman to not be happy with living in literal paradise. The first woman, Eve, is seduced by a serpent creature to eat from a tree she was explicitly told not to touch.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. (Genesis 3:6)

And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. (Genesis 3:13)

Her husband, Adam, failed in his masculine duties to prevent his wife from eating the forbidden fruit, and also for being manipulated by her into eating it as well. For this “original sin,” Adam and Eve, along with the rest of humanity, were no longer allowed to live in paradise and were destined to experience pain, sin, misery, suffering, and death.

Even since Biblical times, men knew what would happen if women were not prevented from doing what they wanted. One of the most important stories of the Bible was intended to control the amount of free will that they now have.

The first false rape accusation

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The Bible has the first written record of a false rape accusation. It was levied against Joseph by the wife of Egyptian military leader Potiphar. The reason? He refused to sleep with her.

And it came to pass about this time, that Joseph went into the house to do his business; and there was none of the men of the house there within. And she caught him by his garment, saying, Lie with me: and he left his garment in her hand, and fled, and got him out. And it came to pass, when she saw that he had left his garment in her hand, and was fled forth, That she called unto the men of her house, and spake unto them, saying, See, he hath brought in an Hebrew unto us to mock us; he came in unto me to lie with me, and I cried with a loud voice: And it came to pass, when he heard that I lifted up my voice and cried, that he left his garment with me, and fled, and got him out. (Genesis 39:11-14)

He was put into prison to rot, and would have died there unless he was able to successfully interpret one of the Pharaoh’s dreams. Modern men, unfortunately, do not have this get-out-of-jail-free card.

Not bearing false witness is a recurring rule in the Bible. The punishment for the liar should be the same that their victim would have suffered had he been found guilty.

Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness. (Exodus 21:1)

If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days. And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother, then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. (Deuteronomy 19:16-19)

Morals and law

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The morals laid out in the Bible were straight-forward. Things that we now believe as “common sense” are based on Jewish morality principles, which amount to taking responsibility for your actions and those under your control, such as your farm animals. If you or they cause harm to others, you must rectify the problem or be punished in an equal manner.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. (Exodus 21:24-25)

Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die. (Numbers 35:30)

The OT was not at all lenient about sparing punishment. Christianity greatly softened this approach with Jesus instructing his followers to love their enemies.

God is usually angry

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The OT God is a furious god. He is always ready to enact death and destruction on those who stand against the Jews. More commonly, however, his fury is directed at the Jews themselves when they stray from Him and worship other gods or idols.

Overall, God makes hundreds of threats in the OT, including against women and children, and performed some actions that today could be called genocide. If you stand against him and his plans, you will not escape his wrath.

Then the LORD said, “I have seen how stubborn and rebellious these people are. Now leave me alone so my fierce anger can blaze against them, and I will destroy them.” (Exodus 32:9-10)

If you somehow manage to escape punishment from God, he will punish your children and grandchildren:

But I do not excuse the guilty. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children and grandchildren. (Exodus 34:7)

I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected—even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me. But I lavish unfailing love for a thousand generations on those who love me and obey my commands. (Deuteronomy 5:9-10)

Kill this man’s children! Let them die because of their father’s sins! They must not rise and conquer the earth, filling the world with their cities.” (Isaiah 14:21)

If you follow God, he will grant you victory over your enemies:

The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, otherwise the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. But the LORD your God will hand them over to you. He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed. He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all. (Deuteronomy 7:22-24)

If God decides to destroy you, chances are he will do so by empowering your enemies:

And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD: and the LORD strengthened Eglon the king of Moab against Israel, because they had done evil in the sight of the LORD. (Judges 3:12)

There is no afterlife in the OT. If you stand against God, you will be punished in this life, but it’s quite common for bad people to prosper for extended periods. This fact is referenced several times in the Bible by the faithful but downtrodden. How could people have faith in God when they follow His rules yet are worse off than pagan worshipers?

Christianity solved that problem by describing an afterlife where you can be rewarded with entry by following Jesus. Your neighbor sins continually and happens to be rich and healthy, but rest assured that he will be punished after he dies with eternal damnation.

The afterlife/hell reward-punishment system would be effective at allowing the poor to accept their lot and not rebel against their richer neighbors or rulers. Similar themes of acceptance are found in the OT:

It is better to be godly and have little than to be evil and rich. For the strength of the wicked will be shattered, but the LORD takes care of the godly. (Psalm 37:16-17)

Better to be patient than powerful; better to have self-control than to conquer a city. (Proverbs 16:32)

Whether deliberately or not, the Bible push faith in God as a way to accept your disadvantaged lot. I imagine that the poorer you were, the more you looked to faith to explain how your hard life was a preliminary stage before being graced with God’s goodness.

There is little in the Bible about taking the initiative to start a revolution, overthrow your corrupt rulers, and take their wealth. You’re supposed to wait for God to take care of evil-doers instead of addressing the problem yourself.

God has a hard time getting the Jews to follow Him

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Not long after God freed the Jews from bondage in Egypt, they went against Him and worshiped a golden calf. In moments of fatigue from traveling through the wilderness on the way to Israel, they even begged Moses to return back to slavery in Egypt. The OT has countless examples of the Jews behaving badly and God having to enact vengeance upon them, in spite of all the miracles He performed for them through His prophets.

Ye have been rebellious against the LORD from the day that I knew you. (Deuteronomy 9:24)

God comes across as a parent who has trouble establishing authority over his petulant children. His threats are clear and numerous:

If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods, worshiping and bowing down to them, you will certainly be destroyed. Just as the LORD has destroyed other nations in your path, you also will be destroyed if you refuse to obey the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 8:19-20)

Just as the LORD has found great pleasure in causing you to prosper and multiply, the LORD will find pleasure in destroying you. You will be torn from the land you are about to enter and occupy. (Deuteronomy 28:63)

Israel is a foolish and stupid nation, for its people have turned away from God. Therefore, the one who made them will show them no pity or mercy. (Isaiah 27:11)

He has moments where He tries to understand why the Jews don’t listen after all that He’s done for them:

And the LORD said to Moses, “How long will these people treat me with contempt? Will they never believe me, even after all the miraculous signs I have done among them? I will disown them and destroy them with a plague. Then I will make you into a nation greater and mightier than they are!” (Numbers 14:11)

“How can I pardon you? For even your children have turned from me. They have sworn by gods that are not gods at all! I fed my people until they were full. But they thanked me by committing adultery   and lining up at the brothels. They are well-fed, lusty stallions, each neighing for his neighbor’s wife. Should I not punish them for this?” says the LORD. Should I not avenge myself against such a nation?” (Jeremiah 5:7-9)

At other points, it seems that God throws up His hands in utter despair:

“Did I not rescue you from the Egyptians, the Amorites, the Ammonites, the Philistines, the Sidonians, the Amalekites, and the Maonites? When they oppressed you, you cried out to me for help, and I rescued you. Yet you have abandoned me and served other gods. So I will not rescue you anymore. Go and cry out to the gods you have chosen! Let them rescue you in your hour of distress!” (Judges 10:11-14)

“O my people, what have I done to you? What have I done to make you tired of me? Answer me!” (Micah 6:3)

The problem may lie in the fact that God moves too slowly. Jews know that if they disobey Him, they can “get away” with the sin and possibly escape punishment, possibly for the duration of their lives. Maybe their children or grandchildren will be punished instead, but God’s punishment won’t be swift or even guaranteed.

In addition, God’s punishments aren’t obvious. Is the bad you’re experiencing in life due to just a random event or from God’s hands? There is no way to link your actions in this life with that of a Godly punishment or reward. This is why the Jews would worship a fertility God like Baal, who would give them more immediate benefits.

At the end of the Bible, in the Book Of Zephaniah, we complete a full circle and arrive right at the beginning, with the Jews failing to listen to God.

“I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their streets are now deserted; their cities lie in silent ruin. There are no survivors—none at all. I thought, ‘Surely they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings. Then I won’t need to strike again, destroying their homes.’ But no, they get up early to continue their evil deeds. Therefore, be patient,” says the LORD. “Soon I will stand and accuse these evil nations. For I have decided to gather the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them. All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy.” (Zephaniah 3:6-8)

The end of the Bible suggests that God failed to achieve any sort of change upon His people.

Did God want the Jews to be Central Bankers?

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The part that raised my eyebrows, and made me question the OT in its entirety was when God granted Jews the ability to lend money at interest to non-Jews, but not to Jews.

Do not charge interest on the loans you make to a fellow Israelite, whether you loan money, or food, or anything else. You may charge interest to foreigners, but you may not charge interest to Israelites, so that the LORD your God may bless you in everything you do in the land you are about to enter and occupy. (Deuteronomy 23:19-20)

In effect, God wanted Jews to be merchants with the end goal of enslaving the world with centralized banking and finance as perfected by the Jewish families like the Rothschilds and Warburgs. This is such a specific exemption that it’s hard not to suspect that it was inserted there by man and not God.

What to think about all the miracles?

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The OT had a lot of miracles. Some prophets sent by God performed substantially more miracles than others. The first question you wonder is why don’t we see miracles today? A possible answer is that we simply rationalize positive events as “good luck” when in the past they would just attribute it to God’s hands. Then again, people today aren’t exactly being raised from the dead like they were in the OT.

Conclusion

The OT is long but the storyline is basic:

  • God has rules that he wants Jews to follow
  • If Jews obey God, they are rewarded
  • If Jews disobey God, they or their descendants are punished

This repeats hundreds of time throughout the OT, sometimes in a chronological history and sometimes in a sort of time vacuum, with constant reinforcement of the lesson that you must obey everything God wants in order to escape His punishment.

I started reading the OT with openness, but it turned to skepticism early on. The logical part of me couldn’t fully accept what appears to be a compilation of writings meant to direct or control a small group of people from stepping out of line and questioning their human rulers (kings and priests). I never felt that I was reading anything but the words of mortal man, though I do agree with the general wisdom and morality that the OT provides, along with its take on human behavior.

If you’ve spent your whole life guided by the scientific method, it’s hard to completely accept at face value the stories that the Bible provides. I moved on to the New Testament less eager that when I started reading the Old.

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2 Kings 2:24

“Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.”

Ahhhh…. the “good book”. Roosh, stay strong with scientific method.

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The Old Testament God apparently detested fuccbois.

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King Solomon wasn’t a old school “fuccboi”?

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He was the wisest and wealthiest man that ever lived. But he dissipated himself in indulgence and strayed from the path.

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And Yeast.

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You would be praying for bears too if you were in the wilderness and found yourself surrounded by 42 Trayvons

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Would black lives matter go to the bears den to protest?

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Roosh just one correction. Jesus was probably not a Jew, he was an Israelite or a Philistine…He distinguishes himself from them in all of his teachings and speeches found in the new testament, which is written in Greek and not in Hebrew by the way. The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled Jews today refer to as Jews, were known as “Pharisees”. “Judaism” today and “Pharisaism” in the time of Jesus are the same. Jesus abhorred and denounced “Pharisaism”; hence the words, “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers”. As a matter of fact, Jesus is the most despised person by the Jews (guess who comes second) because ,besides other things, he effectively condemned them for using usury to enslave people. That is why they crucified him in the end.

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You are really onto something brah

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Jesus said he was a Pharisee. Also, Early Christians worshipped with them, only to depart after the destruction of the Second Temple.

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Jesus was not a Pharisee. The New Testament is clear on this. Jesus was not a member of any Jewish religious sect, that’s one of the reasons they opposed him.

Remember that Judaism and Christianity are two different religions.
The all-important difference between them is in fact the Person of Jesus Christ. Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies of a coming Messiah / Savior (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6-7; Micah 5:2). Judaism often recognizes Jesus as a good teacher, and perhaps even a prophet of God. Judaism does not believe that Jesus was the Messiah

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Where does it say “Jesus was not a Pharisee”?

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There is not any direct reference in the New Testament that says Jesus was a Jew or a Pharisee. However, there are many clues that indicate he was neither. Some of them are:

1. In most of the passages in New Testament, he is refering to the Jews as ‘you’ not ‘we’, suggesting that his is not related to them.

2. His teachings are opposing to the practices and teachings of the Jews and their religion. He criticized them on multiple occasions.That is why Judaism does not recognize him as their Messiah.

3. Every Jew that committed blasphemy was persecuted and sentenced directly through Jewish courts not roman. However, the Jews could not sentence Jesus to death directly (implying that Jesus was actually a non Jew out of their jurisdiction), so they send him to Pontius Pilatus with the accusation of sedition against the Roman Empire.

John 18:31:
Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.” “But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected.

4. When Pontius Pilate asked him if he was a king of the Jews, he replied “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?” “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?” Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

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You are seriously suggesting that a jew can’t refer to another jew or group of jews as “you” … That is what the word is for. Life would be just about impossible if everybody was “we”.

It was the Pharisees that were correcting the Torah. Jesus was correcting them.

Jews couldn’t sentence anyone to die. Romans ruled. You even quoted against yourself. “But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected.

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yes. If he was part of their group or tribe or community, he could actually refer to them as we at least in some parts of the scriptures. Anyway, If we think of Jesus as god, then he should refering to everyone (not only the Jews) as “you”. I do not believe he was Jew because he never endorsed or practiced Judaism and he was against their beliefs etc and that is what made them furious about him.

From wikipedia: “It is also documented in the Jewish Tradition via the Torah, the first five books of the Bible, and the Talmud, or Jewish Oral Law. In the Old Testament of the Bible, stoning is prescribed a method of execution for crimes such as murder, blasphemy or apostasy”

The gospel of John indicates that the Sanhedrin turned Jesus over to Pilate because it lacked the power to impose death: “Pilate said to them, ‘Take him yourselves and judge him according to your law.’ The Jews replied, ‘We are not permitted to put anyone to death.'” The Mishnah, however, clearly shows that the Sanhedrin did have the power to impose death for certain crimes–at least sometime before 200 C.E. In particular, Mishnah Sanhedrin 6.1 to 6.4 specify the procedures for stoning. There is no evidence to suggest that the power did not exist in 30 C.E. On the contrary, there is evidence that the Romans preferred to leave as much power as possible to control religious crimes in the hands of Jewish authorities.

Taken from here: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/jesus/sanhedrin.html

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Didn’t (and I didn’t check) doesn’t mean couldn’t.
He isn’t just God. He is a man.
He did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it.
Since, they could kill him (perhaps), why didn’t they just do it? Since you obviously don’t know, why are you using this as an argument?

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In my opinion, they could not do it because he was not a Jew, clearly out of their juristiction…If he was, he would be stoned because he committed blasphemy. Offcourse, nobody knows for sure…I generally point out that there are many hints showing that he probably was not a Jew. Although, most people believe he was with certainty.

According to Christianity , he is both a God and a man and he came to fullfill not abolish the old prophecies…Just not in the way the Jews thought the Messiah would (That is why they still do not recognize him as their Messiah).

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Matthew 23: “1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples: 2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach”

He was of the Pharisaic persuation, critical of others of the same persuation. The Pharisees were eventually split in two: Those who believed in the teachings of Jesus and those who did not. That’s because, with the Temple gone (70 A.D.), Judaism lost its meaning. Modern day Judaism tries to interpret why this happened based on what’s essentially speculation by scholars and Rabbis. The other half, the Pharisees that believed in the teachings of Jesus, explain the destruction of the Temple as part of Jesus’ teachings.

Paul, founder of the Church, Acts 23: “6Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “Brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee. It is because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead” that I am on trial. 7As soon as he had said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and Sadducees, and the assembly was divided”

Paul did not stop calling himself a Pharisee after he was purportedly called by Jesus. Or ever.

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Can see where your confusion comes from. Sunday Schools often use the terms “Hebrew Teachers of the Law” and “Pharisees” interchangeably. They aren’t nuanced, because the brains of small children aren’t nuanced.

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He came directly from the line of David. David was a Jew. Looks pretty clear to me.

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Jesus’ line of descent is noted both in Matthew and Luke. However the two genealogies do not match, so at least one of them must be wrong. It is generally thought that both genealogies are pretty much made up as a post justification of Jesus as being descended from David to fulfill the standard messianic prophesies, despite the obvious fact that Jesus himself pretty much contradicted the traditional Jewish idea of what a messiah would be. Note that if Jesus was indeed the result of divine impregnation, as it were, then neither genealogy can possibly be correct, and he can’t be descended from David.

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The genealogies don’t match because one is for Mary and the other is for Joseph, Jesus’ parents. Jews kept meticulous records of genealogies up until they were destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. It was essential to be able to trace your linage back to Abraham in order to be considered a Jew.

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To the best of my knowledge, the Bible never lists the mother’s genealogy. A person’s status snd tribal affiliation was determined solely by the father.

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for purposes of knowing if you are Jewish at birth, the linage is traced matriarchaly. They did not have DNA tests. For inheritance it was done by way of the fathers line. So yes they did keep both records

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The third chapter of Luke says this is genealogy of Joseph, and since Joseph wasn’t supposed to be his father it is therefore invalid.
Even it it was he would be disqualified for that position because he descended from Nathan instead of Solomon.
The genealogy line used in Mathew was a cursed line so invalid as well.

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Mary fell under this rule. Since she had no brother to inherit her families land, She married Joseph to continue her line. Jesus wasn’t his son biologically but allowed Jesus to be his legitimate legal heir to the throne of David, even though Joseph wasn’t. Satan can’t outlawyer Jesus and he’s really, really sharp. Why would you think you could?

Numbers 36:6 This is the thing which the LORD doth command concerning the daughters of Zelophehad, saying, Let them marry to whom they think best; only to the family of the tribe of their father shall they marry.
Numbers 36:7 So shall not the inheritance of the children of Israel remove from tribe to tribe: for every one of the children of Israel shall keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his fathers.
Numbers 36:8 And every daughter, that possesseth an inheritance in any tribe of the children of Israel, shall be wife unto one of the family of the tribe of her father, that the children of Israel may enjoy every man the inheritance of his fathers.
Numbers 36:9 Neither shall the inheritance remove from one tribe to another tribe; but every one of the tribes of the children of Israel shall keep himself to his own inheritance.

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Doesn’t the Bible say that the Messiah is a descendant of King David?

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Yes, the coming Messiah would be the son of king David. Seventeen verses in the New Testament describe Jesus as the “son of David.” Primarily, the title “Son of David” is more than a statement of physical genealogy. It is a Messianic title. When people referred to Jesus as the Son of David, they meant that He was the long-awaited Deliverer, the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies.

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I gotta say, this was a very interesting discussion to read.

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Quote: “He came directly from the line of David. David was a Jew. Looks pretty clear to me”

Have to say no on both points, which can be proven by the Bible itself. And since David, according to 1 Kings 11:13 (most believe), was given the tribe of Benjamin to rule, that is Judah was given……..Unless one wants to assume those of christianity are those descendent’s.

For the sake of brevity:
And even if he did exist he couldn’t take upon himself any ones sins. In reading the tanakh (old testament) do you remember these verses, Ezekiel 18:20, Psalm 49:7. Also the tanakh plainly states a sacrifice only good for a “sin” committed unintentionally for there is no valid sacrifice of goods which can forgive an intentional sin.

And The Tanakh gives 5 or 7 ways forgiveness of sins may be reached Without blood sacrifice.

Jeremiah 22:30 makes the lineage of Mathew invalid for him to be the messiah anyway.

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Every genealogy in the bible says David was Judean and not a Benjamite

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Fixed. Thank you.

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No problem

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And another in the line of David was his son Solomon the Wise who wrote “While I was searching but not finding–I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all”. Ecclesiastes 7:28 (NIV)

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A relatively modern book that discuss how most Jews today are fake converts (they’re actually Khazars from between the Black and Caspian Sea who converted to Judaism in 640 under their King Bulan as it was a middle road religion so they could continue their pillaging and scheming as a nomadic pagan tribe and not be subject to the full wrath of Chriastian Empires or the Caliphates) and not ethnically from Biblical times is “Facts Are Facts” by Benjamin Freedman. Freedman postulates that most of modern Jewry is Ashkenazi aka Khazars and look white Slavic not Sephardic who are browner like every other national and ethnic group along the Mediterranean. They say in Israel the Sephardics are treated like 2nd class citizens by the Khazar impostors. Like most things under the globalist Rothschild NWO game- nothing is as it seems. All they do is lie so none of this is surprising and Freedman discusses it all in a social, political, and cultural context in the book. Read the book and let me know what you think…

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As far as I know, the theory of the Khazars having converted to Judaism is simply false. It’s very popular among antisemites and conspiracy theorists to portray the Ashkenazi Jews as “fake Jews” but well, we know what their motives are. Jews can be seen as a people but they are not a race and of course, they mixed with the native populations in the diaspora.

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A Jewish University Professor and historian named Shlomo Sand wrote a book called “Invention of the Jewish People” that is aligned with Benjamin Freedmans argument as well. I’m not an anthropologist so who knows what the reality is exactly but these ideas are reasonable for the political and cultural discussion Roosh is mentioning to consider in relation to the controlled (i.e. Influenced by political and economic interests) nature of organized religion. Politics are a major force behind modern Christianity- dispensationalism, invention of the term “Judeo-Christianity” in the 1960s, the globalist coup of the Catholic Church aka Vatican 2, the UN evangelical associations (aka thought control of the organized religion denominational hierarchy of flyover country Protestant simpletons), all the churches getting 501c3 status, the Zionist brainwashing of flyover country simpletons to fight wars in the desert for the establishment, and the culture Christian Zionist movement who moo “Support Israel” like a herd of cows because their preacher said so. The linguistics of this whole issue are covered in “Facts Are Facts” by Be ja in Freidman (former Jew globalist whistleblower on the NWO elites) as well so this plays a critical role in understanding and recognizing how the Communist-Zionis globalist cabal has subverted the West. These issues are very relevant Roosh so don’t be dissuaded from seeking the truth here by political correctness/Leninist thought control tactics.

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This, Jesus was a son of Judah. You cant be more Jewish than that.

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The Pharisees were a sect of Jews who preached religion outside of the temple. They believed in the Messiah and the afterlife. In this sense, Jesus kinda was one. When he criticizes them he means the other Pharisees (they did not accept him as the Messiah).

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Jesus was totally a Jew. The Pharisees and Saduccees were just two schools of thought within Judaism.

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Lord Jesus Christ IS A JEW of the Seed of David. Amen.

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Correction there, the Bible was actually written in Hebrew and portions in Aramaic, a language now spoken in a few enclaves of modern-day Syria. The Bible, has been translated from these languages into greek into Latin, then into French. Then again into English.

Everyone’s heard how mis-translation have occurred in a language and back into the same language. Well maybe the Bible has lost some of its original “meaning” over the course of two centuries with various political entities over-seeing its translation?… Namely, the Roman Empire, (these guys conquered Europe better than Hitler,) Merovigian French, and King’s James English.

Would the Bible OT & New say the same thing were it directly translated from Hebrew and Aramaic?

I would venture to say NO. Maybe not on the level that Jesus never died in the New Testament, but rather than “Brother turn thy check,” the words of Jesus may have been, “be mindful of your thoughts, as poor ones hurt you more than they do your neighbour.”

Regardless, speaking of Jews, there seems to be a gross mis-understand of WHO they actually are. Are they Arabs? Weren’t they dispersed in AD 70 when the Romans burnt Solomon’s Temple to the ground?

As this website states, the word Jew was never a word until 1775.
https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/judaica/jew-or-judahite/

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The Old Testament was written in Hebrew (and some parts of it in Aramaic). However, The New Testament was written in Koine Greek, a variation of Greek widely spoken at the time throughout the Roman Empire. In fact, Greek was the lingua franca of the time, much like what English are in our times. There is not any doubt about that.

Surely, there is a great confusion about who is actually a “Jew”. To my knowledge, a “Jew” is someone that practices Judaism and is of Jewish blood ancestry. At the time of Jesus Christ, they had two words that described a “Jew”, Ιουδαίος (Judae, aka being of the tribe of Judah) and Εβραίος (Hebrew). In the New Testament, the word Judae is commonly used to describe the people we nowadays refer to as “Jews”.

However, there is a theory that most “Jews” today, as pointed by a commenter above, (the ones that run the world, aka the Talmudic Zionists) are fake converts, actually Khazars from between the Black and Caspian Sea who converted to Judaism in 640 under their King Bulan.

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What do you understand by the term “fake convert” ? A converted Jew is as Jewish as a Jew born by a Jewish mother if the conversion process took place according to the Halacha and this person practices Judaism.

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Don’t let the actual text get in the way of a bad story …

Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Matthew 1:2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
Matthew 1:3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
Matthew 1:4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
Matthew 1:5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
Matthew 1:6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
Matthew 1:7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
Matthew 1:8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
Matthew 1:9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
Matthew 1:10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
Matthew 1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
Matthew 1:12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
Matthew 1:13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
Matthew 1:14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
Matthew 1:15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

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thats so false

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Right. Jesus was from the lineage of David by way of both Mary and Joseph. I guess David wasn’t a Jew either.

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Just cause you’re from judea does not make you a jew.

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fucking lmao

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I probably wouldn’t last one day without getting stoned to death under the old testament. xD

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You’d probably be hotter than a 6 if your face wasn’t so freaky long.

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omg lol

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Poor Caggy,u might be bitchy but your better than a 6 ! maybe a 6.5 with the lights dim or higher with booze

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oooooh lucky me

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Why, the only thing that would get you stoned under the old testament was if you were married and fucking other dudes.

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Well I haven’t done that, but I for sure someone would find a good reason to have me publicly executed lmao

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I repeat, why? About the only other thing that will get you executed according to the Bible is murdering someone.

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People just seem to be mad at me all the time. grin

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Maybe you’re hanging around the wrong people.

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You mean the internet? The people I hang out with offline are pretty great. I’m a housewife so I mostly have all this free time to post here and on another other forum.

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In Moses’ day you could get stoned for cursing your parents.

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It wasn’t just cursing, it was ‘rebellious son’ – punishment was death and then hung on the city walls so others would see and not do that.

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Well, I think you got the gist of some core ideas. The Bible has historical context, which you need to be aware of when you read it. For example, the numerical concept of a million was unknown to them, so the biggest numbers they could describe were “thousands” or “stars.”

Similarly, many of the laws that God imposed in the Jews were to keep them insulated and apart from other groups of people. This includes dietary and money lending laws. In the New Testament, Paul is troubled by which LAWS to keep, such as dietary laws, as opposed to the Ten Commandments, which remain in effect. He had a vision of the animals of the earth, and a voice said, “what God has made holy, let no man call common.” Thus, Christians can eat pork.

You forgot one more sin of Adam’s: he blamed Eve for his failure to obey God himself when he chose to eat the fruit.

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Good deal, although it was PETER who had the vision NOT the apostle Paul on that one. Amen.

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You think God was instructing Peter (not “Paul”) about dietary changes?? Good grief- it was symbolic of taking the Gospel to the gentiles (represented by the unclean foods.)

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Not only were “pagans” better off, but were evidently, even according to Bible, more civilized, more orderly and more spiritual. How else do you think were Jews to compare themselves to such magnificent civilizations such as Babylonia, Egypt and Assyria, but by writing a book of monstrous lies, of insane amount of megalomania, egotism and non-stop genocide.

In Book of Isaiah, and in Genesis, they even openly admit they double crossed Egyptians who took them in their shelter, and Joseph stole all money and grain from Egyptians and Pharaoh that made him his advisory, and gave it to guess who ? Their nationals from Canaan. Sound familiar ?

Remember, according to Jews, even God is a Jew. Can you imagine that proportion of megalomania.

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Not “stole” so much as “bought”, he had prior knowledge of the famine and acted accordingly. Without his “theft” the whole nation would have starved.

Just FYI

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Yes, he did steal ! Read the Bible. He was supposed only to store it. But Bible clearly states he sold it for money back ! But that’s not all. He gave that money, Egyptian money, along with grain, to his kin from Israel all for free, therefore betraying his hosts like a last scoundrel he is. And Genesis celebrates it as some glorious act.

Just a little later on, an whoop-de-doop, Egyptians are not okay anymore, they are now satans, devils, godless, and need to be destroyed.

Same recipe for centuries. That’s the same thing they do today with American money, according to the same recipe. They are “taking the fat of the land” according to Biblical teaching, and giving it all to Israel and other Jews.

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What I read in the book of Genesis is that Joseph collected all the money, livestock ,and land, to Pharoh. He had people pay a fifth of the crop to Pharoh, since it was then his land. He made an exception for the priests.

Now in the book of Exodus, it writes that God commanded the Israelites to ask the Egyptians for money and stuff. This
could just be compensation for centuries of slavery.

Now the Bible does prohibit the Israelites from despising Egyptians since hey did provide hospitality to the Israeiltes.

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No he did not. There is not a single verse mentioning him giving anything back to Pharaoh. Actually, until “A New Pharaoh was born who knew not Hebrews” (as he was living on the Mars), Pharaoh was showering Jews with generous gestures.

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This is from Genesis 47

Joseph and the famine
13 There was no food, however, in the whole region because the famine was severe; both Egypt and Canaan wasted away because of the famine. 14 Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh’s palace. 15 When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, ‘Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is all gone.’

16 ‘Then bring your livestock,’ said Joseph. ‘I will sell you food in exchange for your livestock, since your money is gone.’ 17 So they brought their livestock to Joseph, and he gave them food in exchange for their horses, their sheep and goats, their cattle and donkeys. And he brought them through that year with food in exchange for all their livestock.

18 When that year was over, they came to him the following year and said, ‘We cannot hide from our lord the fact that since our money is gone and our livestock belongs to you, there is nothing left for our lord except our bodies and our land. 19 Why should we perish before your eyes – we and our land as well? Buy us and our land in exchange for food, and we with our land will be in bondage to Pharaoh. Give us seed so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.’

20 So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh’s, 21 and Joseph reduced the people to servitude,[c] from one end of Egypt to the other. 22 However, he did not buy the land of the priests, because they received a fixed allowance from Pharaoh and had food enough from the allowance Pharaoh gave them. That is why they did not sell their land.

23 Joseph said to the people, ‘Now that I have bought you and your land today for Pharaoh, here is seed for you so you can plant the ground. 24 But when the crop comes in, give a fifth of it to Pharaoh. The other four-fifths you may keep as seed for the fields and as food for yourselves and your households and your children.’

25 ‘You have saved our lives,’ they said. ‘May we find favour in the eyes of our lord; we will be in bondage to Pharaoh.’

26 So Joseph established it as a law concerning land in Egypt – still in force today – that a fifth of the produce belongs to Pharaoh. It was only the land of the priests that did not become Pharaoh’s.

27 Now the Israelites settled in Egypt in the region of Goshen. They acquired property there and were fruitful and increased greatly in number.

28 Jacob lived in Egypt seventeen years, and the years of his life were a hundred and forty-seven. 29 When the time drew near for Israel to die, he called for his son Joseph and said to him, ‘If I have found favour in your eyes, put your hand under my thigh and promise that you will show me kindness and faithfulness. Do not bury me in Egypt, 30 but when I rest with my fathers, carry me out of Egypt and bury me where they are buried.’

‘I will do as you say,’ he said.

31 ‘Swear to me,’ he said. Then Joseph swore to him, and Israel worshipped as he leaned on the top of his staff.[d]

Footnotes:

Genesis 47:7 Or greeted
Genesis 47:10 Or said farewell to
Genesis 47:21 Samaritan Pentateuch and Septuagint (see also Vulgate); Masoretic Text and he moved the people into the cities
Genesis 47:31 Or Israel bowed down at the head of his bed
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nathan schuster
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He didn’t give anuything back to Pharoh since he didn’t take anything from Pharoh. He collected the property from the people for Pharoh.

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Yeah sure, cool story, he made a nice little racket over there.

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Now, if you want to get all biblical while discussing Jewish greed, it says in the book of Esther’s that the king gave Jews permission to kill the people conspiring to kill them and to take their money. The Jews killed their enemies in legitimate self. defense but they did not touch the money, even though the king said they could. The Jews. didn’t lay a hand on the money the king told them to take. They did not take the money. The Jews did not touch The money they were entitled to. They did not touch the property of their enemies, even though the king told them to.
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Study this:

55 And
when all the land of Egypt was famished, the people cried to Pharaoh
for bread: and Pharaoh said unto all the Egyptians, Go unto Joseph; what
he saith to you, do.

56 And
the famine was over all the face of the earth: and Joseph opened all
the storehouses, and SOLD UNTO EGYPTIANS; and the famine waxed sore
in the land of Egypt.

57 And all countries came into Egypt to Joseph for to BUY CORN; because that the famine was so sore in all lands.

OFC, when Jews came, he gave them all of that for free

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And he gave the money to pharaoh. Now the Jews happened yo be his brothers and father. It would be weird if he did charge them. And was not it pharaoh himself that gave them land in goshen?

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The book of Esther’s 9;15 says that the Jews did not touch the property of their enemies even though they were given permission to.

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Where ? In what verse did he give anything to anybody ? The storyline is clear, they got upper hand in Egypt and ruled the place and took “the fat of the land” until patriotic Egyptians rallied and booted the hodgepodge out of their country

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Are you reading yhe book of exodus? I recall it saying that the Jews were slaves until God took them out. Now it does day the Jews became prosperous and pharaoh enslaved them. The bible considers what pharaoh did wrong. He got hit by ten plagues.
Please dont make me paste the passages. It is a tedious exercise.

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Genesis 47:14 pasted above says that Joseph brough the money he got selling food to Pharoh’s house. Samething thing with the livestock and the land.

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It says in the book of Esther’s that the Jews did not touch the property of their enemies, even though the king told them to.

nathan schuster
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It.says in the book of Esther’s that the king gave the Jews permission to kill the people who conspired to kill them and take their money. They didn’t touch the money.

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“The wealth of the wicked is laid up for the just.”

Armchair General
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“The wealth of the naive is laid up for the scoundrels”

Nikolai Vladivostok
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At that time all peoples had their own Gods. It was a Roman idea to assemble a universal Pantheon, and a Christian idea to have just one God for all peoples. Or is someone aware of an earlier example?

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Well, when it to longevity, the Jews have it all over the Egyptians, Babylonians and Assyrians. You don’t see a lot of them nowadays. And I recall reading in Genesis that Joseph gave the money he got from selling food to Pharoh.

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Good summary, but it’s incorrect to say there’s no afterlife in the Old Testament – see 1 Samuel 2:6, Psalm 30:3, 40:15, 68:20 and Hosea 13:14.

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The afterlife is a major feature in the New Testament. The Old Testament is far longer but the references are few and mostly indirect (i.e. it’s easy to miss), and its presence wasn’t used to control Jews’ behavior like Christians.

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When I read the OT, my interpretation was of an increasing Jewish frustration with the obvious lack of justice in this world. This is expressed emotionally in the powerful Psalm 88 and the more philosophical Job. We can see the momentum building towards a belief in the afterlife as a way of solving this problem.
I also found it interesting that the NT only briefly mentions Hell, a concept Jesus may have received from the ancient Greek idea of Hades. In the Koran it’s Hell, Hell, Hell, all the way through.

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Yes I have an article coming up about Job and Ecclesiastes.

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Any chance there will be an article on the Talmud?

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Interesting point that Jesus may have been influenced by the Greek idea of Hades, however isn’t it true the Bible never mentioned a “Hell/Hades?”

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I seem to remember a couple of references to the Lake of Fire but can’t remember if there are any in the OT. It’s certainly not a focus.

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What about prophets who were taken directly to Heaven? What about Sheol? Why are you reading so fast?

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WTF? So according to the OT there is no afterlife, but yet one is bound to be contained and follow rules while alive?

I’m inclined to believe in the afterlife not based on the New Testament but rather based on scientific paranormal evidence that suggests (but not prove) that there is something beyond this life. And Roosh, what do your instincts tell you about an afterlife?

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I think there is a references to Sheol the land of the dead in the Old Testament. Similar to how greeks seem to believe in Hades.

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You must be a really fast reader.

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The Book of Enoch translated from the Dead Sea Scrolls hidden in a cave in the middle of bumblefuck is a must read to understand the Bible.

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Also the Gnostic text, the Gospel of Thomas. Full text here:
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html
The Gnostics were ancient Christians whose beliefs and texts didn’t make the final cut of the Bible, rendering them heretics to be suppressed.

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Might explain why the Jewish led genocide of Tsarist Russia targeted Russian Christians and scholars that could counter Communistic ideologies with gnostic research ,and intelligent arguments against the genocidal Red Tide.Millions of Goyim died to establish a Jewish overt takeover of Russia that to this day remains covertly invisible to the mainstream media broadcasts.

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The split between the mainstream church and the various Gnostic sects occured long before the schism.

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It is true that many of the first communists were Jews by decent but that doesn’t make communism a Jewish enterprise. You can hardly speak of a Jewish takeover of Russia when almost every Jew that could has gotten the f*ck out the FSU/Russia.

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No, no. The “Book of Enoch” and any FALSE books and doctrines NOT contained in the King James Version Holy Bible of the sixty-six books (39 books = Old Testament, 27 books = New Testament) is FALSE!

Please check this out for more info: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm
~ Sincerely,
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I would not be shocked if Deuteronomy 23:19-20 was added by men. The Bible was inspired by God but written by man, and man is imperfect and sinful. This reason is why the Bible requires review and reinterpretation throughout life.

God’s game is a very, very long one. The Jews of the OT stand as an example of two things that are not commonly spoken of in my interpretation that I have shared with others at church.
1. God did what he did with the Jews of the OT to reveal his power. He did not intend to treat people the same way afterward because:
2. The Jews of the OT stand out as an example of how ungrateful people can be when they can rely on “big brother.”

People needed to be aware of God’s power but not reliant on anything but his grace. A poor schlub can fall back on his faith to accept his lot, but God gives his grace freely when we exercise our strength righteously. We need failure to appreciate success, and ideally both should be done by our own hands as much as possible.

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Or maybe Yaweh is a different God?

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I would call to question this conclusion:

“The logical part of me couldn’t fully accept what appears to be a
compilation of writings meant to direct or control a small group of
people from stepping out of line and questioning their human rulers
(kings and priests).”

When you have a hammer, all you’re going to see is nails. When you’ve been constantly shafted by systems of power, cognitive bias will tend to highlight claims which are contrary to what you already believe as foolish. If you believe that all systems of power are inherently corrupt, then any claim that a system shouldn’t be overthrown or questioned is obviously going to be viewed with great suspicion.

That said, do the stories of Daniel or his buddies Shadrach, Mechach, and Abed-Nego show how folks are supposed to bend over and take it from leadership? Does David’s resistance to killing Saul even even after he was anointed the next King somehow show weakness? Was the prophet Nathan sent by God to call out David’s failures as a King some sort of inside joke?

The Bible certainly has “obedience” as a theme, but many folks don’t like that concept, so even if what you’re being obedient to would make logical sense, cognitive bias just shuffles the evidence you don’t want to see along and you miss it completely.

As such, you’re only getting “half” the message, highlighted in this other conclusion:

“The problem may lie in the fact that God moves too slowly.”

As if human impatience is a virtue? Humanity is constantly using the lifetime of a person as the measure for success or failure, so when contrasted to the plans of a God who is not limited in that fashion, whose plan is intended to be worked out over the course of history, the way things work out in the interim will seem to be foolish or counterproductive to a supposedly “good” or “loving” God’s plans.

This is not indicative of great insight, but a lack of perspective.

In the case of David and Saul, David had multiple opportunities to kill Saul off, and was upset when folks took justice into their own hands and on their own timeline against God’s commands. This was not because David sought to be obedient to Saul, as David was a political exile and literally fought against Saul with the enemies of Israel, but obedient to God’s commands regarding those who had been anointed by God to lead.

This is because God doesn’t always anoint people to lead because God likes what the leader is going to do (again, God literally tells Israel a King would be horrible for them and then gives them Saul who proves the point), but because of the necessary response desired from the people who should know how to respond.

Put differently: God is constantly shit-testing his people to keep them on the top of their game. Hebrew society fell apart and came under judgment when the people kept failing these shit-tests, and God stepped in to magnify the consequences to try and get folks to really really really learn the lesson.

David trusted that God had a plan to bring judgment on Saul, and that in the interim, David could find contentment in his relationship with God. Even if David didn’t live to see the punishment, or get to enact it himself, God being just would not let Saul off the hook forever for his disobedience, and that was enough for David. David still had doubts and questions (see most of Psalms) but his eventual actions were out of obedience to God and not any “earthly” authority.

This contentment, most of all, I think is what many people miss in scripture, because so much of scripture is spent explaining why reconciliation is required. Comparatively little of scripture talks about exactly what happens after that relationship is formed, because at that point scripture becomes only one part of the means by which God communicates, as scripture will not tell you how you’re supposed to live your specific life on a day-to-day basis.

To go back to the earlier topic, when a woman stops shit-testing you, it means you’ve failed and aren’t worth shit-testing any longer. However if you’re getting shit-test all the time, the goal isn’t to be a whiny bitch about being shit-test, but to succeed every one of them by keeping up your game, staying sharp both mentally and physically. The shit-test becomes a “refining fire” that makes your relationship better and also allows your strength and mastery to have a chance to actually manifest as well. Remember, your game is worthless if you’re stranded alone on a desert island.

The combined OT and NT tells the narrative about the God who created beings capable of free will with the intent of having a personal relationship with them, those beings not fully understanding how awesome that would be, and God trying to reconcile those people back after all their rejections and mistakes.

God constantly shit-tests people, especially the ones who follow him, because God wants his people to be living distinctly from the remainder of the world, and for his people to be growing in maturity and strength in mind, body, and spirit.

Christianity is unique then in that the foundational reconciliation upon which your faith is built does not require works. Even Judaism required works (via animal sacrifice per specific rituals) for one to reconcile to God. Christianity teaches that the debt has already been paid, we merely need to accept the gift, and then after that the growth in that personal relationship will be the bedrock for our lives. As we grow and build on that foundation we see more clearly how little we really do control and can make peace with that practical reality.

“Evil” will continue to exist and won’t ever be stamped out completely, because “evil” is merely the circumstances which result from people rejecting God, and every generation is primed to do this, though the topic around which the rebellion forms will be renewed and recycled as people forget the importance of certain lessons through laziness, apathy, or arrogance (the “we won’t make the same mistake as them” mentality which too often immediately precedes people making the same mistake).

When you get down to it, everybody obeys something. Everybody follows some set of rules or guidelines. Whether it’s your physical desires, the “State”, or God, you’re always obedient to something. Why not then aim your obedience at a being whose entire purpose for creating you was just to have a personal relationship, and whose relationship can remove your worries about what happens in this life? smile

“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” – Matthew 11:28-30 (NKJV)

“For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” – Romans 5:7-8 (NKJV)

“Be anxious for nothing,
but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let
your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.” – Philippians 4:6-7 (NKJV)

“No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is
faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are
able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you
may be able to bear it.” – 1 Corinthians 10:13 (NKJV)

“And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; and perseverance, character; and character, hope. Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.” – Romans 5:3-5 (NKJV)

“In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, that the genuineness of your faith, being
much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by
fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of
Jesus Christ, whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.” – 1 Peter 1:6-9 (NKJV)

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You know way too much about something that matters little to not at all.

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The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”

Did you know that?

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Life goes on, God doesnt need to exist, God = irrelevant.

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Blasphemy. Smh… even using His Name… Amen.

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Informative comment.

“When you have a hammer, all you’re going to see is nails. When you’ve been constantly shafted by systems of power, cognitive bias will tend to highlight claims which are contrary to what you already believe as foolish. ”

I agree. I don’t think I can trust myself to fully comprehend the truth even if I come across it. This is why I’m not writing off the Bible completely. I don’t know how a late 30’s man who grew up in an anti-God “scientific” society his whole life can just simply believe after reading a book.

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Ask GOD directly then… Just close your eyes and say “God, if you really exist and the Bible is for real, please let me know somehow.”
Absolutely sure He will Roosh. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

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I would go further and say that reading a book shouldn’t make anyone’s life change, especially not on the first pass.

Scientific progress is not made or broken on a single experiment, though the results of a single experiment may be sufficiently interesting to require further experimentation. Likewise one’s personal worldview should not rest on finding the “silver bullet” argument that thoroughly convinces all by itself. As you’ve noted it wasn’t a single day that got you to where you are, it won’t take a single day to change the conclusions reached from all the days prior.

If the results you find are sufficiently interesting to prompt further research, that is all I could reasonably request. If you want to know other places to look, I would be glad to point you in directions I have found interesting.

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You believe in the nuclear bomb and in humans landing on the moon.

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Great you said this brother Nate. You’ve really represented Christ well to all the unbelievers and people who errantly have mistaken, misconstrued views on GOD and His WORD (King James Version Holy Bible [KJV]).

Brother Nate, I’d advise you read and quote ONLY from GOD’S WORD in the KING JAMES VERSION HOLY BIBLE though: http://jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/1611_authorized_king_james.htm

The New King James Version Holy Bible is a WICKED DAMNATION!: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NKJB/exposed.htm
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Other than that, you’re right on the Mark, brother (minus the “cursing” AKA “s**t-testing” would rather say “fitness-testing” instead. We get it. I get where you were coming from though so everyone can understand. Just pointing it out). Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

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Your view on inerrancy creates an artificial barrier that does not need to be surmounted. Raising the bar is contrary to the purpose of spreading the word of God.

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/inerrancy.php

On top of this, among most all the popular english translations, only the NKJV points out where words have been added for sentence clarity, or note where there is disagreement, and what the disagreement is, in the transcripts that are being used as the basis for our text.

The KJV is a fine translation, but the language is not the same as is used today, and many a heretical teaching has been based on the misunderstanding of ancient terms which are not used the same way today as they were hundreds of years ago.

In addition, Jesus used context-relevant terms to make his point, even when insulting his oppressors. If you are speaking to a German, speak German. If Spanish, Spanish. If Arabic, Arabic. If Greek, Greek. If a street thug, as a street thug. If a scientist, as a scientist. Paul spoke of this directly:

“For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.” – 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (NKJV)

God is more offended by his word not being shared than the means by which it is shared in honesty by imperfect beings. Any claims to the contrary are merely evidence of moralism, which is not the Gospel, and not Christianity.

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“God is more offended by his word not being shared than the means by which it is shared in honesty by imperfect beings. Any claims to the contrary are merely evidence of moralism, which is not the Gospel, and not Christianity.”

Agreed brother. God’s WORD though is the KING JAMES VERSION HOLY BIBLE.

The *GOSPEL* is this (KJV 1 Corinthians 15:1-4): 1. Jesus Christ died on the Cross, 2. Jesus Christ was buried and 3. Jesus Christ rose from the dead (on the third [3rd] day).

As a Christian street preacher and minister, I’ve been evangelizing the Gospel of Jesus Christ (KJV 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and the Word of God (King James Version Holy Bible [KJV]) for a little over three years now.

You can check out the Lord’s Work I’ve been doing here:http://soulwinnersinchrist.blogspot.com/
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May the Lord Jesus Christ bless your wonderful works you do in good faith in His Name.
Thanks for taking a STAND FOR CHRIST amongst many unbelievers here who may not have the “understanding” of the spiritual and not merely the natural. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

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“Many
will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your
name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” – Matthew 7:22-23 (NKJV)

“Now I urge you, brethren, note those who
cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you
learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.” – Romans 16:17-18 (NKJV)

http://www.kjv-only.com/jesusnotkjvonly.html

KVJ is not the ONLY word of God, but your insistence that it is is purely demonic in nature. Satan seeks to separate and to cause strife, to use vain moralism to distract people from the truth.

“But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.” – Galatians 1:8 (NKJV)

You apparently do not read the links I provide, nor answer my claims directly, but you expect me to read and respect yours? You think your works make up for faulty doctrine and the possibility that you have mislead people away from the Gospel because of the false doctrines you add to it?

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.” – 2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NKJV)

“A fool has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own heart.” – Proverbs 18:2 (NKJV)

“KJV-onlyism” is not scriptural, and creates division in the same manner that sectarianism does.

“Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?” – 1 Corinthians 1:10-13 (NKJV)

The KJV is a fine translation, if you can understand the sentence structure and how word definitions have changed over time, but it is still only a translation, a copy, not an original.

To assert otherwise puts you in the ranks with Mormons and Muslims who also reject the earlier texts and manuscripts in favor of teachings which suit their own debased and demonic desires.

“And when you pray, you
shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the
synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by
men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.” – Matthew 6:5-7 (NKJV)

Quit the condescending concern trolling and spend some time gaining in “understanding” yourself, before you are required to account for the lives you have led astray.

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“KJV is not the ONLY word of God, but your insistence that it is is purely demonic in nature. Satan seeks to separate and to cause strife, to use vain moralism to distract people from the truth.”

The KJV IS the ONLY WORD OF GOD. God’s Word is ONE and “not many”.

Yes, Satan seeks to separate and cause strife. God ALSO sent Jesus here to bring a sword saying, “I came not to bring peace but a sword”: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/jesus_hates.htm

Quoted from article: “We hear much talk nowadays about Jesus’ teachings on love, peace and turning the other cheek; BUT Jesus plainly stated that He DIDN’T come to bring peace… “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34). Do you know why? It’s because God wants us to be divided over truth; rather than united by error.”

Also this: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Other%20Pagan%20Mumbo-Jumbo/hebrew_roots.htm

“Quit the condescending concern trolling and spend some time gaining in “understanding” yourself, before you are required to account for the lives you have led astray.”

Hey, if you’re a fellow Christian Nate I am NOT being condescending “trolling”. I actually said that because I care for you as a brother in Christ. Smh… Not “complicated like that. I speak as a BROTHER not the enemy! If that’s what you think I’m coming from, no that’s not it…Geezlaweesh…

I have led people to CHRIST and NOT ASTRAY. If you’re going around promoting the damnable NKJV (hate to say it) but it’s gonna be the other way around and YOU will be required to account for the lives you led astray.

We’re brethren, I’m not fighting you; but truthfully showing you the error you’re following after. In all honesty brother it’s the other way around here, not on me brother, not on me. And NO CONDEMNATION on your part.

Ask GOD in PRAYER and He’ll let you know whether His Word is in the KJV or the NKJV. Other than that, I can’t change your mind, so you just know I’m telling you the NKJV (like all other modern bible translations) is a DECEPTION of the Devil, SATAN. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

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“The KJV IS the ONLY WORD OF GOD.”

No one in the Bible read the scripture from the KJV. Not King David. Not any of the prophets. Not Jesus when he read scripture in the synagogues. Not Peter, Paul, or any of the Apostles who quoted scripture. Neither did any Christian who lived before 1610, or many non-English-speakers who lived after that. The idea that an English translation (and somewhat flawed at that) is the “Only Word of God” for the entire world to follow Is so idiotic that you should be ashamed and rebuked for saying such, Jed Mask. You give Christians a bad name.

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Nay, nay brother… lol OF COURSE the King James Bible was around in ancient times bro.. Ya speakin’ in “pretense”.

The King James Bible is the FULFILLMENT of GOD’S WORD to all believers in this Church Age before His Second Coming.

Get ye ACQUAINTED!: http://jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/1611_authorized_king_james.htm
Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

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I have to quibble with your use of the term “shit test.” I don’t know if you’re just using language that red pill men can relate to, but if you are, is inaccurate. A shit test is an unconscious feminine manipulation arising from an anxiety. It manifests often as an emotional, empty, passive aggressive comment, which most men are unable detect as a form of expressed female anxiety.

God does test people, such as Job. However, he does not “shit test” anyone. His tests are instead extremely masculine, something a drill instructor in the Marines would endorse. Mass killing, physical punishment, harsh and direct criticism, etc.

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I missed your quibble, but I’ll respond on the off chance you’d still care.

In my head I boiled down “shit test” to the word “arbitrary”.

God doesn’t need anything he tells people to do to be done, in the same fashion that cleaning a toilet with a toothbrush doesn’t need to be done, except that both are actions which are intended to define the roles of the participants. One commands, the other follows the commands, regardless of how arbitrary the command might be.

For women, the “shit test” is arbitrary in that it is a challenge to the authority of the man, but she doesn’t actually need, or know what to do with, that authority, she just wants to know that the man still has it.

Since God isn’t doing that exactly, but is instead asserting his own authority, I can see how that difference would cause the term to be inaccurate because of the context, even if the manifestations are equally arbitrary to the participants.

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I read that modern banking was invented by Italians with some input from the Templars. English people invented bank notes.

Anyway, doesn’t modern capitalism depend on banking? Isn’t that a good thing? Don’t capitalists get their capital from banks.

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Central banking is a communist idea. And there is no such thing as modern capitalism. It died a century ago.

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Bank notes are debt documents. And debt documents existed when writing and debt existed. There is nothing new here.
But to give credit into debt certificates by considering it as real money is the new invention of the bank of England in 1694.

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Awesome. Christianity is supreme among religion. The promotion of science, art, culture and morality is unmatched. Unfortunately just like our society the church of Christ, especially Catholicism, has been infiltrated by heretics, sodomites, feminists and globalists. There is a huge homsexual lobby in the vatican and it has destroyed faith in the church. These groups are hell bent on subverting and destroying the church by anymeans possible. Without the moral authority of the church the masses will succumb to all sorts of follies. We already have athehist societies in Europe which make exceptions for all sorts of repugnant behavior such as legalized beastiality. Without Christ Europe is decending into a complete hellhole. True Christians will kick your ass if you are a heretic, they smash blasphemy, they promote peace and forgiveness but if need be they will go to war and crush the enemies of the Lord. Deus Vult.

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“True Christians will kick your ass if you are a heretic, they smash blasphemy, they promote peace and forgiveness but if need be they will go to war and crush the enemies of the Lord.”

Liking the “spirit” of what you wrote earlier brother, but as Christians we ought not “curse” or use profanity in our communication and “omit it”.

Now as for “going to war” lets remember to be “mindful of HIS WAR”. ‘Vengeance is MINE. I will repay saith the LORD”.

It’s not a Christian’s duty to “fight God’s battles” but RATHER for US to allow God to FIGHT HIS BATTLES through us. This does NOT mean actual physical violence of any nature: at that point GOD will either allow us to be killed, suffer the violence as we defend ourselves (without attacking back) and/or He will somehow deliver us either by our physical death or some “miraculous intervention” or circumstance He puts in place: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/satanic_christians.htm and http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Terror/warmongering.htm

An obedient Christian walking in the SPIRIT of the Lord does NOT instigate or engage in actual VIOLENCE. GOD is our SHIELD. GOD will REPAY our ATTACKERS. GOD is the AVENGER. No “self-avengers” as as soldiers in Christ. Amen.

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Spare the pacificism you weakling. Great advice to sit on my hands and pray that divine intervention saves.
You would allow someone to descrate Holy Icons and blaspheme aganist Christ while you sit and observe? What courage you have sir!
Perhaps we should allow homosexuals in the Church as well? Because God is love and gays just love each. Wrong buddy, homosexuals should be tried and executed for their crimes.
As for you sheep courage take it somewhere else go back to your hole where blasphemers run wild while you tweedle your thumbs and expect miracles to help you with everything.

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Aieeyahhhyahhh! Geesh la-weesh man, you “self-PROJECT” too much what YOU THINK I’m thinking so in all honesty you are WAY OFF here…

“Spare the pacificism you weakling. Great advice to sit on my hands and pray that divine intervention saves.”

No, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m no “weakling” also. Rather we YIELD to GOD in PRAYER for HIS INSTRUCTION we “turn the other cheek” NOT in “weakness” but MEEKNESS towards any enemies or attackers. Such as Lord Jesus the whole time could have obviously destroyed all His enemies that came against Him on His Way to the Cross, but Jesus REFUSED to call his legions of angels and accepted to DIE on the Cross for His Father’s Will. Amen.

“You would allow someone to descrate Holy Icons and blaspheme against Christ while you sit and observe? What courage you have sir!”

No. I like to believe I’m quite courageous in the Lord. You don’t know me. I don’t know you. Please start here for an “introduction”: http://soulwinnersinchrist.blogspot.com/

“Perhaps we should allow homosexuals in the Church as well? Because God is love and gays just love each. Wrong buddy, homosexuals should be tried and executed for their crimes.”
“Homosexuals” as in ALL sinners are welcome to come to the House of the Lord to hear HIS WORD. For the Son of Man came not to save the “righteous” but Christ came to save ALL SINNERS (like me and you). That includes homosexuals. No, I don’t condone the homosexual agenda” being pushed into the Church of God, but homosexuals or “sodomites” as it were are allowed to come and hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ (KJV 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and Word of God (King James Version Holy Bible [KJV]). God wants ALL sinners to be saved with the only exception of the “Antichrist” the Son of Perdition. Who are we to say who can come to God or not? GOD LOVES ALL PEOPLE! We are not to judge on that manner.
I do NOT condone the wicked, abomination SIN of “homosexuality” as I don’t condone any manner of sexual immorality including fornication (sleeping around like is promoted on this website) and adultery to name a few. I preach against it.

“As for you sheep courage take it somewhere else go back to your hole where blasphemers run wild while you tweedle your thumbs and expect miracles to help you with everything.”
No, no… Nope. Not at all. Not like that “brother” if you are indeed a fellow brother in Christ. Love you in the Lord and hopefully you and I get to know each other better because if you did, you’d know what you’re saying is PROJECTION and not based on any facts, examples or experience.
If you’re a fellow Christian, we’re on THE SAME TEAM bro so I’m not gonna argue with you. Hope you’re managing fine in life. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

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How do you reconcile the early history of America with Christianity as many of the Colonials who fought the revolution were Christians yet they fought a bloody and violent Revolution. Many say the reason the Pilgrms came to America was for religious freedom from the establishment forces in Europe at the time. In all honesty, I’d say roughly half of the Founding Fathers were Christians. Also, consider the role the globalists have played in shaping dispensationalism (and Zionism and modern relativist Bible translations) in Christian seminaries and among various Christan sects organizational leadership. The Catholic Church has NWO Vatican 2. Man none of this is clear cut simple- if all the establishment organizations are now controlled by Freemasons and Satanists who support the NWO aka banker Luciferian Global Plan (read Albert Pikes 3 World Wars for more on this) then what is the common man to do to fight for his freedom, faith, and God given and inalienable rights? The Founders of America would’ve resisted and not tolerated this oppressive Satanic system of global Jew Bankster tyranny. Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple with physical action so what does that tell us? What’s a man to do amongst systemized evil tyrants?

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” True Christians will kick your ass if you are a heretic, they smash
blasphemy, they promote peace and forgiveness but if need be they will
go to war and crush the enemies of the Lord.”

Spoken like a demon-possessed man, that is any American commoner.

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Amen brother. True “Christians” as it is DON’T “curse” to begin with. Amen.

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Deuteronomy 23:19-20 is referring to charitable loans to poor brethren, a foreigner in that verse would be a temporary resident living among the Jews. Exodus 22:25 and Leviticus 25:35-37 make it clear poor brethren could not be charged interest. But a Jew could charge interest for a commercial loan to another Jew. The criteria for a charitable loan is laid out in Deuteronomy 15:1-7 and Leviticus 25:1-9.

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Roosh if you really want spiritual enlightenment read the The Prose Edda, The Rig Veda, or Bhagavad Gita

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False, while these books have knowledge, their spirtually is crap. Let me sit around and worship some monkey gods and perhaps after I reincarnate as a spider and live a perfect life I might go to heaven. Spirtual trash!

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They’re on my reading list. I’m trying to read every classic text. Next on my list is the Analects, after I’ve finished with the Stoics and Epicureans.

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“Spiritual enlightenment” or “demonic possession”?

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What about mysticism? The zohar (30 volumes long) is mysticism with rabbi’s explaining all the biblical stories in detail. For example, Noah and the flood is happening right now and if you are not aware of your animal lower nature you are drowning. Isaac Newton, Leibniz studied the zohar and mysticism.

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Don’t read the Bible with a view to understand it; read the Bible with a view to understand why it is that in order for an American to be elected president, he must first receive the blessing of AIPAC, the Jewish lobby, the Israeli fifth column within the United States. I don’t claim to know the answer. All I know is what I see before my very eyes: Jews are 2% of the American populace, with the extraordinary power to direct foreign policy to its own interests, regardless of what the other 98% desire. It is absolutely staggering to behold.

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“first receive the blessing of AIPAC, the Jewish lobby, the Israeli fifth column within the United States”

Typical line repeated thousands of times by Leftists like Noam Chomsky.

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Doesnt mean its not true, does it Hasbra?

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I decided to do a google search on Chomsky and the Israel lobby before I responded to you. Nowhere could I find him saying anything remotely similar to what I wrote. He is not, so far as I can tell, critical of the Israel lobby. Not a jot. In fact, he defends them. So what in the hell are you talking about then?

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“so as the Time of Noah be,so will be the times when the Son of God returns”biblical quotation type shit.The times of Noah were a global cesspool of shit,humans were reduced to evil dog eat dog mentality,every sin imaginable was the order of the day.Prior to the flood,The Book of Enoch explained that Satan and his fallen angels(The Watchers),were cast down from heaven for their sin in lusting after beautiful woman.They were the Annunaki that landed on a mountain in ancient Mesomatamia ,they brought with them advanced tech,and skills that made them like gods in the eyes of humans of the times,and they were worshipped as so.They had the pick of whatever human woman they so desired,and soon bore children,there was a supernatural defect as these children became Giants,the Nephilim (sons of the Gods),they became like locusts and devoured humans of their existence,even drinking human blood to quench Gods curse.God was like fuck this shit he created and flooded that shit.

Today the Wheat field looks normal from afar(brainwashed perception)but there are Tares amongst us.The modern day (Nephilim )are back,however this time the Giantism defect is negated with genetic manipulation ,and cult like breeding programs.These are the modern day (Aliens/Demons/Reptilians/Nephilim )what ever the fuck u want to call them,that rule the world.Powerful families interbreed amongst themselves not just to prevent dilluting wealth,it’s primarily to not lose the genetic code of DNA that’s most compatible with becoming a host for these Demonic interdimensional Demons to interact in this world through.Secret societies are like the behind the scenes,and our reality is like the audience witnessing the play from a different perspective.Based off Biblical quotations this world will become a really horrible shithole beyond comprehension before Jesus returns FFS

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That information is Gospel of Satan!!!
I rebuke you from my replies

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Looolll. thousands and thousands of interpretations and Roosh resumes the OT in one post. Gotta love the man.

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The purpose of Miracles is a accredit the man who carried God’s message. Not to cure disease, or to solve hunger per se. Else such things would not be allowed to occur.

Its often accompanied by Prophecy and proved that man is of God.

Notice how rare it is in relation to Israel how it seems to be concentrated only at the time of the exodus and limited to certain Kings. As well as prophets.

It is not normative in how he deals with man. His hand is more events that coincidentally seem to occur. Like how Joseph was happened to be taken to Egypt or how that Pharoah just happened to had a dream that Joseph was given an ability to interpret.

The book of Esther is another example of how despite no words from God or miracles. You will see God pulling the strings when you look closely enough. That “opportunities” appear to arise that allow people to act.

Only when things go utterly to the gutter with Israel does miracles occur.

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BLASPEMY! Everything a person needs to know about their Creator, Savior and LORD is in HIS WORD (King James Version Holy Bible [KJV]): http://jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/1611_authorized_king_james.htm

Get reading! Know GOD! Amen!

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Yes Roosh! For further study read” the case for christ” you will not regret it . Genesis. GENES. God
created the earth. Not evolution. Watch the”the genesis theory” part 1 and 2, it sums up how the elites own science and gives the truth about how something cannot explde out of nothing.

Most most of all realise that believing in God can not come from the mind completely , god changed my spirit through connecting with his. To achieve this one must surrender completely in honestly and frustration that one as a lowly human can not obtain all the answers and call out to the incomprehensible God to know him.Keep going on your journey I will be praying for you .
Cheers mate.

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Oh read the king James bible. feminists and other degenerates modified new versions to make the more “relatable”.

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If you’re serious about your study of the Bible, you’ll read a few different versions, or you’ll learn Koine Greek and translate yourself. Every version of the Bible ever written is the work of man, and man is fallible.

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Can you point to an article there that lists issues with individual versions of the Bible other than the NIV? I am aware of the NIV’s problems and do not reference it.

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I have not read every article, but the ones I have are quite biased, not well-referenced, and hinge on a reader’s ignorance of subtleties in translation. I would be willing to accept a “best” translation if presented with a critical, scholarly approach instead of what amounts to a KJV fan site.

The NIV in particular and modern translations in general have issues, but they are not insurmountable with guidance and a critical mind.

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“The NIV in particular and modern translations in general have issues, but they are not insurmountable with guidance and a critical mind.”

In all honesty the (false) modern bible translations such as the NIV have perversions of Text that TAKE OUT key words of God’s Word: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/why.htm
Amen.
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“This is such a specific exemption that it’s hard not to suspect that it was inserted there by man and not God”

The entire Bible OT and NT was written by man.

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Regarding OT miracles.
Hi Roosh, Firstly, I have read a lot of your work, bought one of your books and I really appreciate it – more than anything else for its raw honesty. regarding the O.T., and all the miracles stuff, its my understanding that the whole feeding the multitudes, healing the sick, even raising the dead stuff was pretty standard fare for the wandering fount of wisdom types, and that these were a pretty common type back in the day. According to a (secular) college textbook on the bible I read parts of lately, these sort of characters were the David Deangelo, or the Eckhart Tolle of the time, and there were many of them, just as today.

In our day, people suffer from loneliness, ennui, and from being fatter than they want to be…. So to get their attention, you see RSD Tyler yelling at a drunk chick, whispering in her ear, making out with her, and disappearing in a taxi cab. And the crowd watches in amazement, and they talk among themselves, and ask, can we believee our eyes? And some say it was a setup, that the girl was an actress, a paid escort…. Could such a miracle be true? And yet some believe. On another public square, someone sells a girl some shiny shoes, or a pair of spanx, and some pills and a fizzy sweet drink with “zero calories!” Can such gifts be true, will they really make her thin and sexy? Well, makeup does perform miracles. Maybe spanx as well.

Back in the day people suffered from actually not having enough to eat to sustain life, something most of us today can’t even really imagine. They watched loved ones or themselves fall ill and face death for no apparent reason. So I have no doubt that if David Deangelo had been around in the year two he would have had a program for sale about multiplying your loaves into many – with a bonus parchment on healing the sick.

Apparently sex sold just as well throughout the ages, as many temple priests and priestesses gave away their sexual services to encourage the faithful. The Jews were quite a contrarian and staid sect to insist on looking at sex outside of marriage and procreation as being not in any way sacred or connected to the divine, and instead consider such to be a profanity.

But its mostly all the same stuff in a different language, not the sense of Greek vs Aramaic, but the language of the metaphors and the examples. They were using different examples of human hope, desire, anger, despair, All of that hasn’t changed, but the stage on which it plays out has changed, the props are different, the objects of envy and some of the sources of despair. So I think it takes a fair amount of study and work to figure out the underlying messages in the OT. Just getting out of your head the whole germ theory of disease is pretty much impossible for me. I can’t really empathize very well with a pre medicine and science worldview. But the question of why do bad things happen to virtuous people remains a constant.

It definitely takes a bit of work and study to get past the theatric devices and the difference in setting in the OT to be able to start looking at whether the underlying observations about human nature are true.

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http://gnosis.org/gnintro.htm

Read about gnosticism, very interesting about the Demiurge.

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It is hard to believe that Samson killed thousands of people with a jaw-bone of a donkey. The thing to consider with the OT is how many hands the stories passed through until we got to the version we have today. I think some numbers got inflated. Some commandments, such as the banking commandment, maybe got inserted, as part of an anti-Babylon propaganda campaign when the books were assembled. But I think the corruption of the text is actually quite minimal. The biggest problem is what they did not include, such as the Book of Enoch, which we only have a corrupted version of today. As for why miracles don’t happen today, well, maybe we are a lot closer to the brutal OT life of than we think. I think people those days would have gasped in horror if they saw our day.

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A donkey femur could be used effectively on Hilary Clinton in ways people 1000yrs ago could never even imagine in their grandest myths. Your belief in the killing power of donkey bones is weak.

A great man once said, “Be afraid of no man, there are all sorts of equalizers, guns, knives, bombs. You can kill anyone.”

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Nice Analysis and observation,Yes even removing one S from the end of a word from the original version could alter the meaning,with tragic consequences,what religion or belief system isn’t corrupted these days to rewrite history to support an agenda?

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Hmmm… Interesting analysis Mr. Roosh… I give you credit that you are right about quite a few parts in the Word of God (King James Version Holy Bible [KJV]). Good thing you actually read from the KING JAMES VERSION HOLY BIBLE and not so much the wicked “New Living Translation” damnation. Please see: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/which_bible_can_we_trust.htm
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Frankly, I love you in Christ sir, but I must say your understanding of God’s Word is QUITE MISCONSTRUED in all honesty.
You’re right about Joseph being falsely accused of “rape” by Potiphar’s wife (was reading through that passage a few weeks ago…) though you must REALIZE that it was GOD Who got him out of that mess. Joseph’s FAITH in GOD, *GOD* is Who saved Joseph in his ordeal in prison, got it? You seem to disregard the Creator GOD and His Perfect Holiness.
Start out with this mindset: GOD is ALWAYS RIGHT. NO MISTAKES. God is NEVER in the Wrong. MAN is ALWAYS in the WRONG; and see the Perspective CLEARLY.
Hey, if you want, I’ll willing to provide you the “accurate” understanding of the Word of God cuz just sayin’ your “introduction” of the Old Testament is doesn’t do GOD justice. Amen.
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Eternal torment in hell is a Catholic lie pushed alongside purgatory so they could scare people into giving them money. Eternal torment in hell is taught by virtually all churches today with few exceptions, but it is not biblical at all.

The reason the OT doesn’t mention an “afterlife” is because in reality there is no afterlife. When you’re dead, you don’t exist. You don’t see, feel, hear, you return to the dust. Your soul is God’s breath and it goes back to him. The bible repeats that the dead do not exist and are in effect “asleep” over 50 times.

Jesus conquered death. His whole mission was to conquer death so people could be resurrected into eternal life. Afterlife is misleading because it assumes you live on when you’re dead, while Jesus basically says you have to be resurrected from death.

Helltruth.com and deathtruth.com provides a ton of insight into this. Also watch “the mysterious realm of death” by Walter J Veith. It’s part of his total onslaught series, which in my opinion is the best set of lectures on earth explaining the prophecies of Daniel, the Catholic churches place as the little horn of the 10 horned beast in Daniel, freemasonry, and the history of the church as well as the interpretation of the Revelation which the Catholic Church was so afraid people would discover. Because most protestant churches are under Catholic rule today, they preach the same nonsense about Revelation and that it’s too mysterious and difficult to understand, and give bull crap interpretation of prophecy to cover their own tails.

This is not the case, both Revelation and Daniel are extremely clear, and if people can just learn to understand those prophecies they will see the Bible justified by its ability to predict events thousands of years in the future, despite all odds, and that the biggest enemy to the Christians throughout the ages was the church itself. The last 2000 years are thoroughly explained by Daniel and revelation, which can be traced by the dead Sea scrolls and other manuscripts to 400 bc and 100 ad, respectively.

I implore you all to visit helltruth and deathtruth to learn about the age old lie of eternal torment.

The second death in revelation means Satan and all the wicked will be burnt to a crisp in the lake of fire, they will be ashes, and they will exist no more not in this dimension or any other. If eternal torment is real, that means Satan wins by getting to live forever and torture people.

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One thing to think about is the fact that the Torah says that there ad a national revelation. The entire nation saw and heard the giving of the Torah at Mt. Sinai. The national revelation was accepted as the authentic history of the nation. If it didn’t happen then it’s unlikely that people would have accepted it.

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Of course Bear Hands, but one may as well read the version closest to the actual thing.

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But Roosh wants a wife who is religious.
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i heard a lot of people with some antisocial tendencies lets say, who like to oppress end up priests and advocate for religion in others cause they understand why its useful to oppress others. Roosh does not agree with that for the oppression of humans; just of half of them however, so he,s not the typical case.
Maybe also he has another religion, like islam, or a ‘spiritual” belief in god, although he rejects that in a girl. But he does not make much sense when he singles out women, generally.

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If you want to see it in a scientific perspective, ponder on Genesis 6 chapter and compare this with ufo sightings or Old ruins and pyramids where giant monoliths are still around. (Lebanon for example)

There is a celestial world, not for the eyes to see, but definitely engaging in the world. We are not able to directly interact with this dimension but it definitely have its influence in our dimension.

I made a satirical blog post covering this concept. https://alphaomegablogdotcom.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/jesus-is-so-archaic/

What Jesus is, from a scientific standpoint, is that he is the only Human born from God’s genetics.

We’ve all heard about genetic manipulation, That it’s being done by humans OR extra-terrestrial entities. or whatever. THe main point is that Jesus gives us the ultimate protection against authorities that will amaze us and try to make us follow them by genetically creating superhumans trying to tell us that Jesus was simply a man like everyone else; that he may had some superpowers but “we can too with our Superhumans.”

Jesus is the last stronghold to protect us from authorities that would try to subjugate man with the ultimate technology: Genetic manipulation.

Jesus shall return when it will be like the times of Noah; when Sons of God had fornicated with the woman and created a new kind of offspring (Superhumans Nephilims)

Genetic manipulation is nothing new and we do not know how deep it has been running around and what kind of features it can bring, but you well know it’s happening and some people have no scrupules to push it as far as they can.

Jesus is the fortress that protects us by telling you: do not believe any entity, human, superhuman or celestial, that do not recognize me as the only begotten son of God.

Because if they do not recognize him, they do not recognize the creator and think themselves as gods, as they can create all the superhumans at will with genetic manipulation and may even be able to beat death. (be immortal, the original Lie of Lucifer)

You could dive into apocryphal works like “the book of enoch” to have a better perspective of Genesis chapter 6.

Good reading

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I commend you on your decision to explore the Bible. Its good to go to original sources but I think its very difficult to interpret and understand on its own without a guide. Many an atheist have been formed with finding some seeming contradiction or seemingly unbelievable occurrence and rejecting Christianity as a whole prematurely. The Bible is extremely difficult to understand in its totality so I highly recommend a guide. Its also difficult to clarify fine points of doctrine without a guide and that’s why there are thousands of denominations after the Protestant Reformation each one disagreeing on one teaching or another. Christ established a Church not made the Bible, and the Canon of the Bible was authoritatively determined by the Catholic Church.

A guide to interpretation has always been needed in any system, and that’s why we have the Supreme Court and judicial system in the US to interpret the Constitution and that’s why the Sunni Islam terrorists can easily claim their interpretation is the official and correct one. I do agree that they do have the correct interpretation but the point is without a final arbiter of authority. The Church teaches that Christ has promised the Holy Spirit will protect it from formally teaching error (infallibility) and last till the end of time (indefectibility).

Anyway, all this is a digression from the main issue which is I think its wiser to go with an exposition and defense of the Bible and Christian teaching then wing it on one’s own. A protestant guide is fine, they are experts on the Bible as that’s the final authority for them, finer details can always be attended to later.
Here are good book recommendations, none of which you will ever hear of in the mainstream media. I think CS Lewis Mere Christianity is a great first step on knowing how to consider things properly. Anything by Peter Kreeft and GK Chesterton are great among the numerous other stellar writers that are out there defending Orthodox teaching that you will never hear unless you search it out.

Here are great first recommendations to understand a Christian outlook:
You Can Understand The Bible: A Practical And Illuminating Guide To Each Book In The Bible by Peter Kreeft

Making Sense of It All: Pascal and the Meaning of Life by Thomas V Morris.

Common Sense 101 by Dale Alquist, an Introduction to GK Chesterton

Understanding the Times: A Survey of Competing Worldviews by David Noebel.

Reading the Old Testament: An Introduction by Lawrence Boaldt

Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History by Rodney Stark (a protestant)

The Case for Jesus: Biblical and Historical Evidence for Christ

God or Nothing: An Interview with Cardinal Robert Sarah (recently out great book by an African Cardinal raised outside the Western milieu)

Architects of the Culture of Death: Benjamin Wilkins and Donald DeMarco

At the end of it all, its either Christ or Chaos. Organized religion or disorganized religion. Atheism is futile, all sound and fury signifying nothing. Just theism (deism in the loosest sense) usually leads to a vague spirituality where one ultimately rationalizes their morality to fit their lifestyle. Choosing a worldview is a matter of probabilities no irrefutable proof can be given for any worldview, most definitely not atheism. Christianity has the evidence to back up its claims, its rejection in the modern age is based on systematic indoctrination of the masses since the Enlightenment. All Western History since then has been driven by the state and elites who would like to abolish religion so the masses have no higher loyalty then themselves and no higher aspirations then hedonism. Sexual Liberation is the weapon of choice to take away man from seeking and finding Truth.

“Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult and left untried.” -GK Chesterton

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I like that last quotation

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David and Bathsheba is one of the more important stories. You have a king on top of his game, who is temped by this woman who bathes in front of his window. (undoubtedly, she knew what she was doing). So, he does what any natural man does and lays with her. She becomes pregnant, so he ends up committing murder to cover it up. This incident splits the nation of Israel, and brings heartache. David writes about this in Proverbs 5:

3 ¶For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:

4 But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword.

……

15 ¶Drink waters out of thine own cistern, and running waters out of thine own well.

16 Let thy fountains be dispersed abroad, and rivers of waters in the streets.

17 Let them be only thine own, and not strangers’ with thee.

18 Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.

19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

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This is why when modern day Christians preach about “gender equality” and say lines like “Men and women are equal”, I can’t help but palm face myself.

I read the old testament and God always seems like pissed off. But Jesus in New Testament is all relaxed and laid back.

It’s common for Jews today to openly mock Jesus. Shameless Sarah Silverman, another known Jew, usually does and attempt her poor “comedy” routine by mocking Christians and Jews.

If you see one Jewish professor last named Abrams floating somewhere on internet, he spills the secret that Jews operate Pornography business because they hate Christ. I’m not making this stuff up. Look it up.

Also many ISIS graphic pictures of dead Syrian soldiers have crucifixion of dead body. That’s mocking Christianity. I can’t think of any Muslims who would participate in those kind of behavior. Even though Muslims don’t accept Christ as savior, they at least respect them as a wise prophet.

I can’t help but to think that ISIS are also work of Jews. Notice many victims of ISIS are actually Muslims and other Christians but ISIS doesn’t seem to target Israel or Jews. Why is that? you may ask yourself and ponder on that.

If any of you guys actually read the verse from Talmud, you would be taken back. The quotes you read from the Bible and Quran are nothing compared to the viciousness from Talmud that actually labels Non-Jews as sheeps to serve Jews. Non-Jews are referred to as Goyim.

Anyways back to this Bible topic.

I would suggest learning some wisdom from the Bible itself. You can’t get more red pill than the Bible, many of the good and useful application comes from the Proverbs especially on finding good wife and characteristics of women.

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The word goyim means nations. The jews are slso refered to as a goy. That is nation. And didnt idis target all those gentiledin france? Killing grntilesis better than descrating their symbol? Now an iisis operative dhot up s kosher grocery in frsnce not that long aho. I was under yhe impression that isis destryoyed churches. I may be mistaken. They did destroy communities. Now font christisn say jews are going to hell for all eternity? So i guesd there is name calling on both sides. And quotes from the talmud or anywhere for that mattet
Taken out of context dont mean much.

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And your typical jewodh pormographer hated Judaism as much as he hates Judaism, for example Sarah silverman. Now, I findvit a little bit ironic that a game advocate, that is a person who advocates sexual promiscuity and habitual fornication has a problem with pornography. I”m just saying.

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Oh and Maimonedes the big Jewish legal codifier universly revered by all Jews, ruled that Jews are required to support gentile poor visit gentile sick and bury gentile dead out of simple human decency. Israel continues this tradition by sending rescue and medical teams whenever there is a natural disaster and by taking in refugees from the horn of Africa and treating people injured in the fighting n syria. Go figure.

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You should at least make an attempt to spell check some of your words. It seems like you wrote this when you were drunk. Lack of coherent messages here. I’m not really trying to get what you are saying.

Can you reiterate this so it makes sense better?

When you start your sentences here –> “The word goyim means nations. The jews are slso refered to as a goy. That is nation. ”

I can understand but after that, it’s a mess.

ISIS did destroy churches but they also destroyed mosques as well. This isn’t simply name calling or labeling. It’s calling as it is. Question yourself. Who most benefits from having ISIS in the Middle East? It definitely isn’t Syria or Iraq. Hmmm… isn’t that so hard to understand?

America, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel puts ISIS in Middle East. Now after using ISIS, America needs to create a “bad guy”. To get rid of the bad guy, America needs a massive support (Citizen support — distraction and to make sure citizens rally behind country so they don’t riot or steer off)…

Put ISIS and get rid of ISIS. Massive civilians are supporting that. Real problem is elsewhere deeper than that.

Create a problem, make fictitious enemy, gather up support, bring in military to the region…

Real underhand lining is with Assad’s unwilling to hand the Iran-Iraq-Syria oil pipeline to the West. Look at the Iran-Iraq-Syria oil pipeline path.

So now you start to understand why ISIS exists in Syria and Iraq. To take control of that oil pipeline. But why isn’t ISIS in Iran yet?

Iran has nuclear weapons. Syria and Iraq doesn’t. TADA!!!!!

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I cannot really follow your logic about isis. If we just follow occams razor the simplest explanation is busy more jihad. Didnt isis attack a kosher grocery in France?

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Now it seems to me that the Israelis prefer the current regime in. Syria to isis since he is at least rational and not suicidal.

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Jews will attack their own if it’s for the purpose and for the greater good for the Jews as whole.

For example, Zuckerberg married a Chinese woman and he is learning Mandarin with intensity because he wants to infiltrate Chinese market and bring more Jewish presence in that country.

It’s looked down upon Jews for them to intermarry with Gentiles.

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That’s because intermarriage emeans assimilation and the end i mbf the ecistance of the Jewish people Zuckerberg children won’t be Jewish. How is that helping Jews?

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To infiltrate the upper echelons of Asian (Chinese) power players, the Jews have to look just like them in order to gain trust of the Chinese.

Pure bred Jews have facial deformity, hooked nose and bad skin. Example: George Soros.

Thousands of interbreeding (strategy used by a Jew) resulted in Jewish-European intermarriage and many Jews today can be passed off as White. Also many Jews cover themselves by using European gentile name.

For Jews, their motto is “What’s good for the Jews?”

You are either a Jew yourself or fail to see the mayhem caused by Jews around the world. They are nation destroyer.

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Intermarriage means that more that at least half of the children will not be Jewish. And erm those children that ate Jewish will most likely be raisegentiles. Intermarriage destroys. The Jewish nation.

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Know gentiles must be really really stupid if they let Jews take over so easily. Is be ashamed to admit it if I wad a gentile. Maybe that’s why. You just let 2 precent if the population take over.How stupor is that?

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Like I said, Jews are willing to send few of their own people to intermarry this way in order to gain full infiltration into a gentile society. The results of interbreeding descendant may look Asian but will serve the Jewish Zionist interest.

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No the children of intermarriage are not even considered Jewish if the mother is not Jewish. And children of intermarriage tend to take very little interest. In Jews or judaism

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Are you a Jew?

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What was unclear about the documentation and evidence I sited that Jews dont hate gentiles but do good things gentiles? Maimonedes rules that Jews must support gentile poor
or visit gentile sick and bury gentile dead. That’s pretty clear. Israel sends rescue tTeams to natural disasters. Israel took in 50000 Eritrean refugees. That’s all good stuff. What’s so hard to understand?

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But George Soros, a Jew, will preach, promote and fund multiculturalism in Europe and America but he won’t do the same to Israel. Why?

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Well he did say that antisematism is caused by Israel’s policies towards Palestinians. That is an attitude typical of liberal Jews by ancestry only who expect Israel to cease to exist ad a Jewish state.

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And the typical Jewish liberal acyot pormographer or whatever actusly hates Judaism as much or. more than he dislikes Christianity. There is very little that is jewish in their lives. They are not acting as Jews. They are more likely than not. to be intermarried. That’s how much they like gentiles.

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You should read what a male jewish porn actor James Dean said on the interview. He actually thinks that Jews are chosen people and he says it with such arrogance.

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I. don’t think one porn star represents the thinking of the majority. And there is very little in his life that is Jewish besides his ancestry. Now lots of Jewish college professors back the boycott and divestment program.

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Oh, just one more thing. The idea that the Jews are the cjosrn people comes from the Bible, it didn’t start with a. Porrn star.

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Oh and yo the best of my knowledge Iran does not have nuclear weapons yet, just nuclear reactors.

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^ I will research on this deeper. I thought they did. Either case, Iran isn’t easy country to invade.

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yeah like among the characteristics, she works a lot and she is a good merchant.

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Daryush,

“In effect, God wanted Jews to be merchants with the end goal of
enslaving the world with centralized banking and finance as perfected by
the Jewish families like the Rothschilds and Warburgs.”

The Rothschilds et alii are not Jews by doctrine they are Illuminist Manicheans who believe not in one god Yahweh but in two gods : the good God of light and the bad God of darkness. The good God of light is also called by them Lucifer which is the name of planet Venus not the name of Biblical Satan.

Deuteronomy 23:19-20 is nothing about what you said. It is just a limitation on usury : the Israelites are not allowed to lend on interest between themselves but may do so with other nations. Usury was practiced among all ancient nations. So your conclusion is erroneous. In addition, paper money and credit in it did not exist back then during the times of Moses or after.

Central banks is an English invention. The first central bank was the company of the Bank of England created by King William in 1694. It was only in 1815 that the property of most shares of the Bank of England fell into the hands of Nathan Mayer Rothschild. The Rothschilds by that time were already initiated into Illuminism.

“God wanted Jews to be merchants”
This conclusion of yours is totally wrong. Most Israelites were farmers. They only became merchants, money changers and lenders, and artisans in their majority when they were deported into towns, where they could not farm the land and where they did not own land.

Really it is futile to offer any correct knowledge to you people. Which knowledge is taken from the examination of hundreds of books and documents. You trust no one’s word. And it will take you decades to find the truth.

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as a former atheist and now in the process of becoming a father (with a 25-year old paraguayan, i’m 35, alpha provider model) i’m beginning to understand the actual meaning of sacred texts as howto guides towards procreation and continuation of the species. the bible’s original content has probably been manipulated, but i see in it an ancient manual on how to survive as a man and keep your woman (and the others) under control. bible means “the books” so it makes sense to me that those who had those “books” followed traditional nuclear family models which overcame those who didn’t

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“keep the women and some men under your control to oppress them better”
-well everyone takes what they are able to get out of the notion of moral perfection

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Don’t hold out too much hope for the NT. The admonitions to hate my mother and father, not resist evil and pretty much let anyone violate me in whatever manner they wish in exchange for the promise of heaven destroyed any remainder of reverence I felt toward Jesus from my youth.

I respect the traditionalism of Catholicism and Orthodoxy but the Sermon on the Mount is a suicidal morality; in this age of SJW insanity and Muslim aggression it’s the last thing the West needs.

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it doesnt say to stay quiet when others are in danger, although the general idea is to prefer advocating with words than with violence (except the part where he whips the bank guy haha). your interpretation of the parent hating part might be exaggerated. Ideally a child would prefer, in a situation of absolute necessity, that his parents die than to be force to perform an horrible act

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“At other points, it seems that God throws up His hands in utter despair:”
I would love to have the Roosh V version of the Bible. This has been a pleasure to read during my breakfast and tea.

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“f you’ve spent your whole life guided by the scientific method, it’s hard to completely accept at face value the stories that the Bible provides…”

This is why believing in faith in God is a primary tenant of the Christian faith. It is impossible to believe the stories of the bible without belief in faith.

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I think you kind of missed the central point of the OT. It was even then an entirely FAITH based system. Their works and obedience was simply proof of that faith. Note what Paul says about Abraham in the NT. And note that the sacrificial/blood system, which was the center of the OT was simply symbolic of what was to come in Christ. They could only be saved by believing in that sacrifice, and yes participating in the system (evidence they believed). But it’s faith alone from start to finish. That’s why someone like Saul (Paul, pre-conversion) could be a ‘perfect Jew’ in his works and obedience, by the letter of the Law, and yet be utterly lost and not saved. Not until he came into faith.

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After life is in the OT. You just have to look …

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Job 19:27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

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I like Old Testament. I’m not so fond of New Testament.

The Jews are in charge. Maybe they are simply God’s chosen people.

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Roosh, it is atheism that got us to where we are with feminism and all that. The part about usury had its purpose for their survival. The tribes around them were quite evil. If you want an example of how evil pagan tribes can be, look no further than the Maya. God made Israel rich, but they missed their main calling, as a light to the world.
Roosh, you will never find Him by science. But you can be found by Him if you will do so on His terms.
May God bless you in salvation, knowledge, and truth against your enemies.

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yeah so sad women are free. Surely a fair god wouldnt want that.

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I encourage Roosh and anyone else to watch all of this!

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Religion is an attempt to explain the truth of no self, but because this truth cannot be fully understood by simply telling it or intellectually understanding it, man has corrupted it. Our whole lives we are always concerned about ourselves. How this serves us. How we benefit from this. But ironically the sense of a “you” is completely false. You don’t exist. You are existence itself aka God. And once you embody this, you are enlightened. Jesus, Buddah and any other prophet was enlightened.

The problem with Atheist and Religious folk alike is they think dogmatically. We use rationality as a tool to understand existence and to somehow fit our narrative of what life is. But existence is NOT rational.

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“The logical part of me couldn’t fully accept what appears to be a compilation of writings meant to direct or control a small group of people from stepping out of line and questioning their human rulers (kings and priests).”

I had the same impression. I read the Bible when I was about 40, after many years of life and game experience.

I found the OT to be all about conditioning people to accept rulers and to reinforce the ruling status quo. Look at Deuteronomy — the mind-numbing rules you have to follow are simply a form of compliance meant to reinforce the slave mentality.

Two other fascinating parts of the OT were 1) how Judaism developed powerful antibodies to isolate and excise belief in foreign gods and 2) how heavily Judaism depends on being the “persecuted group” to enforce in-group harmony and cohesiveness.

You can see Point #2 in all Jewish holidays. They are all celebrations of killing enemies of the Jews. “Passover” is a celebration of the murder of tens of thousands of first-born males, allegedly by God.

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Btw the whole concept of “Survival of the Fittest Religion” struck me when I read the OT.

There were tons of religions, tons of “gods” floating around that region at the time. They were all “competing” for followers. Religions that lost followers to competing religions died out.

Judaism was just one of many religions. It was always losing followers to Baal and other nearby religions. In response, Judaism developed an amazingly effective “immune system” that hardened Jews against religious dilution and discouraged defection.

In other words, Judaism developed an exceptionally strong in-group/out-group identity. There is NO proselytizing in Judaism because they don’t want outsiders to join their tribe. A huge part of Judaism developed to set Jews apart, discouraging mixing and defection. The fact that Judaism is both a religion and a race redoubles the effect.

Judaism’s strong immune system and exceptional in-group/out-group orientation are important reasons why it has survived thousands of years. They certainly outlasted the Romans and the Baalians (*heh heh, “Baal”).

This is also why I believe Jews can never actually be the same nationality as their countrymen. The being Jewish part always comes first — as it must, given their history and evolution. As Jefferson realized, “Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in. ”

(As an aside, the Evolutionary Religion hypothesis explains the spread of Christianity well too. “Wow, believe in this Jesus dude and all my sins are forgiven AND I get to live forever in an awesome place? Where do I sign up?”)

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Reading the Bible convinced me that religions are just like self-perpetuating organisms. Like organisms, they are subject to Darwinian pressures.

The religions that develop the strongest self-perpetuating features are the ones that survive.

Judaism’s strongest feature is the in-group/out-group orientation and separateness. They do not proselytize (which would weaken the in-group/outgroup membrane) so cannot grow or perpetuate through converts. Instead, they rely on clannishness. They measure everything by the yardstick “Is it good for the Jews?”

The downside side of Jewish clannishness and in-group favoring is it engenders hostility among people of their host nations. But so far, the benefits of clannish in-group/outgroup orientation have outweighed the costs. You can understand Jews a lot better when you see that a LOT of what they do is done to mitigate their host societies’ backlash against their clannishness. For example, pushing non-white immigration weakens the ethnic unity of their host nations whist they preserve theirs (all the while denying they have an ethnicity or race, e.g. “Jewish faith). Brilliant, really.

Christianity’s strongest feature is its proselytizing nature. It has an awesome value proposition of having your sins expunged (at no cost) and being able to live forever.

Christianity’s big weakness is it’s not rooted in race. We see Christianity ebbing from European peoples who were its core historically.

Two different religions, two different and successful evolutionary strategies.

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the interest of the new testament (some parts of it at any rate, like some jesus teachings) does not rely much on the perfection of the old. On the contrary its interest resides simply in it making sense morally to those able to see what is good. It advocates for intelligent kindness and maturity. In that it is a book that resides on reason and what it tells you about what you read, and not on faith on another book.

– its ironic that what you blame the old testament for, that is preventing the oppressed from questioning the rule or authority that infringes on their freedom or cheats on them, is exactly the kind of mind set that you would like to impose on women.

– the new testament is pretty feminist. In many ways, one of them being radical equality, where jesus says everyone will be judged by the same rule he uses to judge others, and more importantly advises the leaders to act as if they were serving not leading, in a way, not to dominate but to empower and to be a friend. He describes his own self and the father as a friend, not a master, at some points, because he says following him is rational not a matter of blind duty. The epitome of that is that he exemplifies that it is not humiliating god’s dignity to temporarily loose and be humiliated, making status less important that way. (Relatedly again to feminism, more specifically but less importantly, he says there are more important things than housekeeping for women to do; and also in some other apocryphal texts that might be less close to the original intent, he answers to those surprised he preaches for women that one of his goals is to bring them to equal dignity to men. What he says seems pretty right, and no need of old testament or faith stuff as much as reason, which everyone has, to see it)

-as with the old testament, but differently, it can be argued that responding with kindness to enemies is a way to enable oppressors. However he never said to answer with kindness to those who also oppress others; and advocates strongly to at least let other know their mistake and try to convince them. He also doesnt say to stand a stab but a slap.
It also must not be interpreted too litterally: its an ideal attitude to go towards an ideal realm where everyone acts like that, along with giving everything you have, although sometimes refraining from giving invest can help you give more later. That too cant be interpreted too literally.
Jesus never says to submit to authority; on the contrary he encourages to only kneel to god not to humans and reject even the authority of priests something that christianism today forgets. On the contrary, he encourages figures of authority to be intelligent and serve the people, not consider themselves different or higher than them, but in a position to have more power to serve them.

-of course after this pretty nice message, the followers, less enlighted, change that message to mean the complete contrary and advocate for the submission to priests and authority; and that of females to males as to priests, contrary again to what jesus says (the part about women submission also always starts with emphasis and capital letters); with forgetting to mention that jesus was talking about equality in service. And there is a fascinating phenomenon here, about how any good moral recommendation you could give can be brought to a false logical consequence, if you forget of the principle.
This makes me think of the dream of peter, who after rejecting strangers, unlike jesus, dreamed a lot about not making impure what god made pure. He realised his mistake for strangers, but not for women and the oppressed.

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Regarding the angry God motif, it is important to remember that most of these narratives were at critical junctures in a 1,000 year history of Israel where syncretism with other religions would forever alter who they were as a people.
Israel was part of God’s plan to bless the world as promised to Abraham.

By the time you arrive at the NT, you find Jesus much more accepting of the Gentiles and condemning the Jews uber nationalism.