And Then What?

Many men raised in the West are programmed to set ambitious goals for themselves. They spend months or years trying to accomplish a specific goal, thinking that once it happens, their life will unfold like a movie where they are the hero carried off on the shoulders of admirers. This doesn’t happen. The satisfaction from achieving your goal lasts only days, maybe even hours, and then life will seem no different than before. To find out what you really gain from any goal, imagine what happens after achieving it.

You want to sleep with 100 women. Imagine the process of achieving that goal, one bang at a time, until one day you do it—you sleep with your one-hundredth girl. The high is glorious. You are a real masculine man! And then what?

You still have to grind out your future bangs. Your game skill long ago passed the point of diminishing return. Your value doesn’t automatically go up in women’s eyes just because an arbitrary notch count was reached. More severely, you may damage your chemical bonding mechanism and become addicted to the thrill of banging easy sluts.

Or maybe you want to earn $1,000,000. You decide the best way to do that is through cryptocurrency. You spend hundreds of hours researching and trading. After three years, your portfolio reads $1,000,000. You cash out most of your portfolio. You buy a condo in the best part of town and also a lambo. You live in your new home and invite many friends and women, throwing epic parties, knowing that you can afford it all. And then what?

The parties get old after a while. You feel like people are using you. Your new home gave great satisfaction in the beginning, but you’ve gotten accustomed to it. You barely use the car. You buy new toys but then get bored of them after a week or two. Your wealth doesn’t provide you with a sustained boost of happiness like you expected.

Or maybe you want really big muscles. You hit the gym five times a week and load up on supplements of dubious safety. It takes a year but you become jacked. Your confidence is sky high. Other men are intimidated by you and women make compliments on your physique. And then what?

A big chunk of your life is spent in the gym or fussing over your diet to maintain an aesthetic that has little practical value. The girls you attract seem to be more shallow than before. The ego boost of intimidating men has faded, and your confidence peaked many arm sizes ago. Going to the gym has become a drag, but you’re scared of being small again.

Many men get starry-eyed over a goal, imagining how life would be so great upon achieving it, but fail to play out the movie to its completion. Unlike Hollywood, life goes on, and you come back down to a basal level of happiness, no matter how great your achievement was. This is very common with men who want to travel to shitholes to meet good women.

Imagine you visit a rough second-tier city in Colombia or Ukraine and meet a girl who is hotter than any other girl you’ve made love to before. And then what? Are you going to move to her city permanently? Are you going to bring her back to the West so she can get corrupted like the women you left behind? Are you going to move her to another location where any children you have won’t have the benefit of seeing extended family? Understand that as soon as you experience the upsides from achieving a goal, the downsides come pounding at your door so that the overall cost of a goal is balanced with its benefits.

The most ideal goal to have is one where the downside is limited due to your unique character. My current goal is to finish two new books. There is huge downside in writing books for the average person, but for me it’s upside most of the way through. Writing itself is a form of meditation that suits me, helping me understand my place and value in the world. At the same time, I’m able to help men with their own lives. Compare that to a goal of sleeping with 100 new girls starting today, which would have tremendous downside for me to accomplish because of the monumental amounts of energy and time it would take for a man who values sex far less than before. Same goes for making money beyond the level of the material comfort I now have.

You have an ability or disposition that makes your pursuit of a certain goal have a smoother “And then what?” follow-up story than other men. If that story involves high maintenance alongside time and energy costs, the goal is almost certainly not going to provide you what the happiness you seek, but if after achieving your goal, the story is followed by you doing more of what you already enjoy, even resembling a sort of play, it will be a worthy goal for you.

Banging girls, puffing up my muscles, and accumulating money is not my goal—it’s the goal thrust upon me by a dying civilization that lacks meaning. If pursued to excess, they will only send me to a dead-end. If you want to find a goal that is worth it for you, play the story of the goal in your mind all the way through, and then you’ll know.

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An aside but i liked the girl in the picture and did a google reverse look up only to find that prior to its usage at ROK it had only been used as a picture for ukranian prostitutes lol

Going back to the main article yeah hedonic treadmill is real and achievement seeking is like pleasure seeking.

Absent of faith and family, and community [going from most important to slightly lesser importance] i don’t think its possible for people to find satisfaction and contentment.

there’s an element of lying and fudging the numbers in the atheistic-materialistic thinking process to avoid the existential angst of having a life without meaning or purpose and trying to fake one.

I also think Roosh you are in a different position to most, owing to the free time and lack of responsibility [i mean other than the online responsibility for your tribe which is your readership] you have.

You’ve got money, you’ve got game, you have felt every blow of the enemy and you’re standing tall. there isn’t much more that they can do to emotionally or physically harm and rattle you.

But you are jaded, black pilled and apathetic about the world and the western world in particular.

Thats okay, seeking solace in humanity alone is a fool’s pursuit.

Seeking solace in God has a everlasting fulfillment, even though the challenges may not stop and there’s a cylical process to hardship and ease.

I have followed the spiritual route and found too many synchronous coincidences, too many solutions which could not have been random or manmade that I am confident there is a creator and our lives have meaning, the world is a test.

It makes things a lot easier once you stop relying on people to be anything other than people and start relying on God directly.

And this is not some Jordan Peterson psychological symbolism thing, i mean actual factual multivariate synchronous coincidences, Also known as miracles

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amen to that tidbit of introspection!

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Are you Jordan Peterson? You speak like him.

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no, just watched a few things of his recently haha

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1) newsflash but there is no god
2) another newsflash but there is no fulfillment in family either, as families fight all the time and at the end of the day you’re by yourself until you one day expire

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aren’t you that high BMI spammer on disqus?

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Typical. Trying to avoid the hard truths to protect your fragile ego.

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You’re quite spam happy over here, seems like you’re projecting your own insecurities onto others because you want everyone to be miserable with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydbDJqXCrFs

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1) newsflash but there is a god
2) A real family knows to stick together

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You can hold this delusion until you die, just as the beta holds his about the true nature of women.

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You can hold your delusion until you die as well.

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No delusion here, just an observer. I’m not the one claiming there’s a sky daddy going to make everything all right. That’s on you.

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The only person talking about sky daddies going to make everything alright is you. Did you watch too much cartoons this morning?

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“I have followed the spiritual route and found too many synchronous coincidences, too many solutions which could not have been random or manmade that I am confident there is a creator and our lives have meaning, the world is a test.”

“thing, i mean actual factual multivariate synchronous coincidences, Also known as miracles”

Such as?

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Before I answer that, a) are you an atheist b) if you are an atheist have you ever done any mind altering drugs that cause EGO death?

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Agnostic. Seems almost as foolish as being religious to try and claim there is no god; there is no proof of this.

No. Is this going to be a DMT thing?

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the phrasing of your comment shows your mind is not ready to be illuminated, so make yourself comfortable in the dark

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This type of response shows you have no idea what you are talking about and still possess an ego, masquerading as some sort of enlightened individual.

Reread comment and you will understand that I am open to both paradigms.

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I am the Alpha and the Omega. The Darkness.

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Agnostic, talk about a wishy washy B$ stance. So you feel there is insufficient knowledge to prove / disprove, for the sake of brevity, The Judeo-Christian God.
But what does your gut tell you? Do you feel atheist or theist claims have more merit?

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Most miracles are divine providence. Only some are overt like the 10 plagues. But even then they have their natural equivalents on this earth indicating that they are amplifications of natural phenomena.

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i’m sorry you’ve not had any miracles happen in your life

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Coincidences that make dealing with temptation easier.

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All good things to consider and I have been down this path before. Now I prefer a minimalist life style and simple pleasures like cooking fresh organic home made paleo low carb style meals, walks in nature, and playing music to these hedonistic end games.

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I don’t know if I will experience god or just spark some religious feelings in the mind.

Anyway, for me, writing is a form of meditation, but also traveling and natural bodybuilding. Like right now I am writing on my essay project (in Swedish) that I started in 2010 and it’s like active meditation.

When I travel I have a new goal, but more importantly, something to focus and broaden my intellectual, perceptual and mental horizons. The meaning is temporary but so is life as a whole. When I got to the gym and eat properly, it will make me feel better and I often get more things done. I don’t feel that 8 hours a week is wasted time. People who don’t put in that effort (at all, I’m not talking about those who train in smaller doses) are seldom doing anything valuable anyway, especially not today, when people are glued to their screens.

All of this is a way to cope with existential angst, of course, but I am but a man, and so are we all. Action and contemplation. Better than being passive and fleet around like a mere buoy on the waves. Quantitative goals can give some context to things, but one should not be too distracted by such culturally construed consumerist counting.

Ps. I also want to avoid the high-maintenance things, although one may occasionally step into that zone. It will only create stress, neuroticism and drama, and negatively affect your wallet if you go down that route. At least if you’re middle class it’s simply not possible.

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The thing is, if I reflected on my life at age 80, I’d be much more satisfied with my past accomplishments of 1 million dollars in no-sweat capital gains, banging 100 girls, and visiting 100 countries than toiling endlessly at some make-work job to make another man 10x more money off of my labor, and there isn’t even a “gold watch” at the end of it all anymore.

If you had 5 minutes to reflect upon your life before passing away, I guarantee your friendships, relationships (no matter how brief), and travels will feature the most prominently.

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That’s OK, you don’t have to try to justify your life choices to us

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“Banging girls, puffing up my muscles, and accumulating money is not my goal—it’s the goal thrust upon me by a dying civilization that lacks meaning. If pursued to excess, they will only send me to a dead-end. If you want to find a goal that is worth it for you, play the story of the goal in your mind all the way through, and then you’ll know.”

Shut up you whiney “solipstic” complainer and trust thou *GOD*.

Your “life-is-meaningless” diatribes reek of utter *BETA* man…

C’mon Roosh… Do better than that pal.

~ Bro. Jed

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Jed- god is a way for you to reconcile this futile existence; there is no god man, unless the other guy’s god is real too, and the other guy’s down the street, etc.

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Do it anyhow. Be your best.

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happiness is a waste of time

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Life is a waste of time

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Time is an illusion.

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dude please just kill yourself and donate your organs

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How dumb are you? You think I would donate my organs to help perpetuate the failed project of humanity?

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Okay, so just kill yourself anyway.

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Of course I will plan my exit myself. Feel sorry for people who will rot away in a vegetative state because some god (aka dudes who wrote the bible) guilt them into hanging on at all costs.

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Lindsey wants to drag everyone else into his depressive hole.

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Life is about creation, it is the ultimate goal. Everything in this universe come to birth, stars, planetes, living beings. And of course, us humans who possess the ability to be conscious of the world and universe around us must create even more thing out of no where.

There is no end to creations.

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did DC Comics come after you for your screenname? wouldnt be surprised

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hahahaha
nah i got outed on telegram… didn’t realize it automatically linked my phone number to my avatar

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Don’t give into nihilism. You should turn to some of the older philosophers: Aristotle, Epicurus, Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius etc. There is something past the Black Pill. You just have not found it yet.

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You mean don’t give into the truth?

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nihilism is weak defeatist bullshit

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whine, whine, whine

If it were up to me, all depressive whiners would be hanging from trees.

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Up always implies down. Hope is but a fools game for those living for tomorrow. Because everything collapses… lives, buildings, institutions, nation’s… they all fail in time. So as Roosh has said, congratulations to the man that understands nothing is permanent

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Nothing is permanent. And everything is futile.

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Life is pretty rough in the West right now. No wonder our birth rates are crashing. Right now we are going through a period where feminists and nihilists are in charge of our society. But they will cease to exist and traditional values will prevail, somehow. But we will probably be dead by then.

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birthrates are crashing because offices are purposely being refurbished to be 70% female in the west. Denying a huge percentage of men an income, and pushing you-go-girlism is one of the most effective ways to guarantee the destruction of the traditional family unit.

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70% female /30% no white boys!

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lol beautiful comment. to beef up the hope w a couple sentences, followed by “but we will probably be dead by then.” such is life

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The only thing money buys is freedom. Nothing more and nothing less. The most ideal situation is where a man is using his skill set and talents to their fullest potential, while bringing great value to society….all while getting compensated well for it.

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good to see you bear,

i don’t think i’ve seen a disqus user i recognise since the days danger and play was active

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I have fond memories of the early days of DP. Cheers – brother !

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mikes posting on cernovich.com more now

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Errrrr…. I would throw housing, groceries, and transportation related expenses into the money equation beyond just “freedom”. But yes, beyond those essentials, money doesn’t add much value to me beyond the odd spot of alcohol or an increasingly rare concert or event which is worth going to.

I believe a number of studies have shown that in a modestly priced US city, money has a rapidly diminishing return on happiness levels after your pulling in more than $80,000 a year.

After that point your either blowing it on drugs and strippers or stupid toys. Better to put your rainy day money in an investment or seeing the world.

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Cumberdale still spitting the plain obvious truth

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I liked the thoughts of Anon’s reply even though I believe the “spiritual religious” ending of it wasn’t necessary, even though it brings somethng I will refer to in a minute. The article in also interesting but I do think it misses something very important that I’d like to share. As a successful digital nomad myself for many years, going to the gym 3 times a week for over 15 years, and worked hard to achieve financial freedom, as well as having a good share of notches, I long discovered that these elements are should not be categorized as objectives with a goal to reach. I’ve reached goals and asked myself the same question as roosh… “and then what??”. Here’s what I would say.a

The pleasure is in the process. Not in the end.

Love and Health are important things and dont deserve to be in the same being materialistic. Its the essence of what we were made for. Live, reproduce, protect. I meet girls because it adds life to my own life, makes me go out instead of staying in, creates oportunities in new places I wouldn’t have lived. basicly, its puts me “out there”. its not for the end, sex is a bonus. same applies for health, its the process of feeling healthy every day, not sick and rotting through the years.

I agree with the “black pilled” thoughts coing out of the article. Its such a depressive way to think that once you reach the summit, what’s waiting for you next is to go down. The point of life is to go up, and up, and enjoy going up. reminds me of these people saying “finally, another day finishes…”.

Back to the spiritual part of the first reply, and coming from a none believers point of view, i think the parallel with my thought is interesting because religion is built in the same way. With an open end. there is no goal to reach, just practices it with no goal to reach, and people enjoy the process.

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“More severely, you may damage your chemical bonding mechanism and become addicted to the thrill of banging easy sluts.”

Which is good, cause if you can’t bond with one girl, she can’t manipulate you.

“Your value doesn’t automatically go up in women’s eyes just because an arbitrary notch count was reached.”

Are you a woman?! If that so sex with 100 men results in one baby. Otherwise bedding 100 girls is a great genetic succes = you’re high valued.

“Going to the gym has become a drag, but you’re scared of being small again.”

It’s not only about body. Great body = great mind. Great mind doesn’t even remember what fear is.

“Banging girls, puffing up my muscles, and accumulating money is not my goal—it’s the goal thrust upon me by a dying civilization that lacks meaning.”

Sex, great body and wealth. Oh. I thought these goals was given to us by nature, from day 1.
Your books will be useless.

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I’d rather bang 100 sluts with a median look of 7.5 than either
A) Be an incel
B) Be acrimoniously married to an over-the-hill woman with half my wealth on the chopping block
C) Settle in an average relationship with an average woman in an average city with an average job.

We gotta look on the bright side yo.

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Girl is more FAITHFUL to a man who has many beautiful women around him! It must be both – plenty of women and beautiful too! This concept of romantic monogamy, settle down with only ONE is so horrible wrong.

If a man want a romantic relationship like Roosh he must be like Hugh Hefner! grin All white knights must know this to transform into badasses!

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“This concept of romantic monogamy, settle down with only ONE is so horrible wrong.”

It actually is morally right and a maintainer of civilization.

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I am completely warn out by monogamy.. It’s like there are brief phases of pickup then monogamy that goes on so long it’s got some parallels to incel. Am with you there, just that it must be something more than 1. Yep, lucky have never been “acrimoniously married.. with half my wealth on the chopping block” but that risk is always looming

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The last time this shitty posts like this were published you had broken up with a slut. Let me guess again the same shit?

Incredible. You eat shit and say it tastes bad. Then you go and eat again.

Where did you find her Roosh? In a nightclub? That´s the best place to meet quality woman. And Mcdonald´s is a gourmet meal.

Go through your father connections and get yourself a hot persian babe. THEY ARE SO HOT. This guy the other day showed me a lebanese chick fucking shit he got through family. SHE WAS HOT AS HELL. Virgin. Loves her dad. Incredible. Incredible.

You know this is your exit. Your just postponing it. Because after the James Bond lifestyle is gone. And it gets a litle bit more boring. But at least for me much better.

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You think winning one million dollars is enough cussion to buy a Lamborghini? That’s a poor financial jugement.

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Sustainability is the key, and starting with the end in mind mitigates all drop offs from diminishing returns. Mindset. It is key.

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The best of the roller coaster is not the highest point, but the ups and downs.

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Yeah… Lately I’ve been reflecting on this too. And the conclusion that I made is this:

Remember when we were young, children? We didn’t have goals, we didn’t wanted to succeed… We just played because it was fun, we played just because. And time flied like never before.

So, what if our perception of life is wrong? We see life as a lineal progression. We seek goals as a linear progression. We pursuit, accomplish… an then what? What if the linear & end perspective is wrong?

Maybe we just have to find what we like to do, just because. And get lost in that. Then, just because we are doing something, accomplishments will follow, money will follow, etc. Of course, it’s not going to be a fairy tale, but it’s going to be something that excites us, that make us want to get up in the morning. Also, it doesn’t have to be just one thing that we like to get lost doing, it can be millions.

What I say is: What if the amount of money that we made, the “success” that our peers atribute to us, the women that we bang, etc. is a consequence of the way we live, doing something that we like & like to get lost in it?

Something along with that it’s what I think. It’s not a finished thougth

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Shut the fuck up and learn piano/ music and NOT in the “nerdy asian kid” way but in the TRUE MUSICIANSHIP way…. DO IT and maybe you will cut the existential crisis shit… seriously

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I suppose that now is the time to take on goals and responsabilities higher than yourself, or to find meaning in the spiritual, maybe both. The thing about God, though, is that he his personal. No single person experiments and feels God the same way and this is the reason why we cannot scientifically prove him, even because, you cannot directly control and observe him, for he is subject and object at the same time. If you are contained in God how could you possibly hope to be able to observe him and, therefore, to get knowledge about him? No, he manifests himself through your consciousness, your life and through the life of others. And through faith you will get closer to the truth.

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LOL, crypto is a sinking ship.

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Just like learning game, most men are striving for “results” or an end goal. But the men who have actually put in the work, and achieved something like the 100 girl lay count usually have the epiphany that it is the “experience” of sleeping with 100 girls, not the goal, that is fulfilling.

Personally I would like to sell a million books yes, for the experience of having a writing career that paid my bills. I’ve already slept with 100 women, and that itch is scratched. It didn’t solve my existential angst, but at least as I’m farting through diapers into my deathbed I can remember all those beautiful experiences.

I still want to see the world, to date more beautiful women, to achieve “success.” But I’m experienced enough now to realize it truly is the process and not the result that matters.

But that doesn’t halt our human nature to dream, and achieve. That’s the point. We are here to make things, to experience, and not just cross the finish line, hold the trophy and die.

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“I’ve already slept with 100 women, and that itch is scratched.”

So have you sired any offspring?

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Nope. I use condoms.

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So, basically, you are a detriment to Western Civilization, as procreation of (white) children by alpha men is THE number one priority.

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Dear Roosh,
you hit the nail on the head. It is a dying civilization. The hyppie movement was the beginning of the end of western civilization. It has become shallow and meaningless. everyone out for himself/herself..This model can not last.

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It’s not a dying civilization, except for those with attachment to the civilization.

And incidentally, the hippie movement was not the beginning of everyone out for himself. I know. I was there.

Everyone out for himself took off with the yuppies and Reagan.

You can believe that or not, but I watched it with my own eyes.

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The greatest example of that – Neil Armstrong. First man to walk on the moon – and then what?

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Brilliant; completely agree w/you about this; a mental thought exercise is time well spent. I just did mine and to my surprise, the ideal environment would not require much money at all, but friends, people of common interests, and off away from all the negativity, detritus in the modern world.

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God bless you brother.

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Roosh, once you get the girl and the money of course the game isn’t over. In many ways its just beginning. The challenges do change, and yeah its become increasingly more difficult to be the man of the house, but if you want family and ultimately some sort of meaningful legacy beyond the guy who fucked a bunch of women you have to keep fighting. Fight to keep your family together. Fight to keep your children protected. Fight to raise them with decent values. Fight to see them graduate high school and college. Fight to see them grow into rational intelligent successful adults with good morals and values.

Let me tell you. This shit isn’t easy – and often the people you’re fighting for often fight you buying into societal delusions and self-defeating narratives.

Hopefully most of the time you win, but you better be prepared to lose some of those battles. How you handle that is equally important. Some men don’t take loss very well. It crushes them. The ability to overcome difficulty is crucial.

You can’t live life fearful of negative pressures. You can only be risk-averse up to a certain point, or else you’ll miss out on the rewards that have those inherent risks.

You’re at a crossroads brother. You can take your marbles and go home – or you can throw your nuts up on the table. Its all been a primer up to this point. That brash masculine self confidence you used to get women into bed has been a trainer for what’s to come. Your meddle will be tested. The true nature of your character will be revealed. What is in your heart and between your ears will profoundly matter.

Its fucking terrifying, because being a father can be the most beautiful, rewarding experience in one’s lifetime. But it can also be a source of inconceivable heartbreak and pain.

I walked into fatherhood 19 years ago totally blind and dumb. In retrospect, and in this time and age, I wouldn’t recommend it to any man who isn’t extremely confident and strong willed, but also possessing the kind of (fatherly) empathy the job requires.

For me the road has been difficult, but I would never trade my children for a different experience.

Best of luck. You’re going to need it.

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I feel like Roosh is going through a existential crisis, like he realized a bit ago that there is more to life than getting laid.

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Roosh, systems > goals. Enjoy the systems, the doing. That lasts longer than the achievements.

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so

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the ‘100’ lay ambition. its funny, i remember reading your ’30 bangs’ a few years ago. that was a couple years ago and i was around 20-25 lays.

fast forward today i just had sex w my 65th girl (im pre-30 y.o.). ive also had sex w 40 or so hookers. 65 + 40 = 100+ women before i turned 30. and i will tell admit this: i have no soul. to just fuck and fuck and fuck and swipe and swipe isnt just exhausting, its more than just pathetic; it deadens you inside. the pursuit of instant gratification over something thats enduring and fulfilling is a game for retards, one that ive mastered and become champion at.

some serious soul searching is long overdue. i was on the phone w my mom the other day. obviously i didnt mention the lays but i did hint at my being “lost” in the world. she told me to promise her to find a local church and just go and sit and be quiet for 30 minutes. i havent been to church in 15+ years. but i promised her yes.