Anti-Flake Defense Move For Flakey College Girls

In Medellin I was the old guy on campus. Even when I wasn’t taking classes I’d go there on certain afternoons to study Spanish and hit on girls. Some American women may say that’s disgusting and pathetic, and who knows maybe it is (laugh), but I can assure you there is nothing disgusting or pathetic about slamming a college girl that looks 16-years-old.

I want to talk about how to deal with the intense, sometimes brutal flakiness that college girls put out when trying to get them out on a date. This post isn’t about meeting them because it’s just as easy as any other girl, perhaps easier because of their bubbly and free-spirited nature.

I’ve only dated a couple college girls in the States as an adult, and sure they were unreliable, but the flakiness exhibited by Colombian college girls (and Colombian girls in general) exceeded anything I’ve ever seen in my life. I became so accustomed to it that even if I had a date I proceeded as if I didn’t. There was a 50% chance the girls would either cut off all contact on the day of the date or send a cancellation text message a few minutes before it was supposed to start—and that’s if you’re lucky (I’ve had guys tell me the girls didn’t cancel until they were already waiting at the bar). Days go by after the cancellation until they tell you a laughable excuse on MSN Messenger.

I’ve tried to work many different angles. Being patient with the girl doesn’t work. If you accept getting flaked she will just flake on you again (this one girl got me three fucking times). Being aggressive doesn’t work. You look desperate and scare the girl off. Being angry doesn’t work either, because why should a girl care if you, some guy she hasn’t even made out with yet, gets mad at her flakiness? There is only one option left: fighting fire with fire. You must be flakey yourself.

You don’t want to use the fire strategy on a college girl who isn’t a flake, so it’s best you get flaked on a lot to be able to identify the flake’s unique characteristics. But let me get you started: generally speaking if the college girl is hot and has a large social circle then she’s a flake. If she is a no greater than cute and has few friends, then she probably isn’t.

Now set a date like you normally would by asking her for a drink a day or two in advance. If she agrees, tell her you will call her that afternoon to set a time but are thinking around 9pm, for example. Then when the day of the date rolls around, simply don’t call or text her.

If she attempts to call or text you towards the evening that means she got anxious about going out with you and wants to ask if the date is still on for the night. Pick up the phone or text her back and set up the time as usual. (If she contacts you way early in the afternoon then it’s to cancel—don’t respond.)

If she doesn’t call or text you, that means she didn’t give a shit about you enough to see if the date was on or not. Bummer.

Only do this with flakes! This is a technique you don’t want to introduce to a girl who is going along with the river’s current, as it may fuck things up.

For flakes you need to put out a strong “I don’t give a shit” vibe, and nothing does that more than simply not confirming a date when you said you would. It’s by no means foolproof, and doesn’t prevent a premeditated flake, but it’s the best available tool I have come up with that hits her with the right aloof vibe while making her do at least some of the work.

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Evan
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Some of the posts here and at Roissy are almost eerily timed to what’s occuring in my life. I’m dealing with a college girl flake.

At one level I felt good about experiencing the flakiness. I wasn’t offended, I didn’t have any emotion about it. It just seemed to me like another technical puzzle to solve that I hadn’t yet. That’s different than how I would have felt a year ago. It’s a result of reading guys like Roissy and Roosh V.

Now I have a little more technical expertise. Thanks.

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The Truth
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Good post. As with most tings in life, it is best to not give a shit. Do not sweat over stuff you can’t control.

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another tool/weapon in the ever increasing arms race that is human sexuality. the fact that this is a response to environmental stimuli says just how much things have changed in a few decades’ time.

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Another good move is to double and triple book your nights.

I use that technique in Las Vegas with Exotic Dancers.

Stack the calendar.

– MPM

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Truth nailed it. Why give a shit about anything that isn’t under your control? True, you want the notch. Unfortunately, even if you’ve done everything right, that’s not under your control. G Manifesto also makes a good point. Always have a backup scheduled; someone who is lower than your target on the attractiveness scale, but who would be grateful for your company. If you flake on your backup, so what? She will have no choice but to accept it if she wants another chance with you.

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Well I’m in Colombia right now and I’ve been flaked twice tonight by 2 beautiful College girls. I could feel it coming…

Yesterday, I set 4 dates for the same night and I saw and fucked one (at first date after an instant coffee date in the street).

I was thinking on going systematic with my cancelation of all first dates on hot girls and I’ve just come accross Roosh’s post 🙂

Good timing…

Roosh made a great point about not answering the phone if the girl calls early in the afternoon.

I was used to (and will be again used to) cancel my first dates with hot girls by sms about 4-5 hours before the planned time.

I’m wondering now if Roosh strategy of not calling at all is better or not… Especially if you set the date one day before (and not two days) Because if the girl calls you about half an hour before the planned time and you don’t answer, I think it can be too rude and fuck things up for a future meeting.

The thing is you never know for sure which of them will not flake you 🙂

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Isn’t this old news for most of us? This is standard game for pretty girls under 24? (i thought)

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“If she attempts to call or text you towards the evening that means she got anxious about going out with you and wants to ask if the date is still on for the night. Pick up the phone or text her back and set up the time as usual.”

Ah ok. I think I’ve got your thought now. You mean that if SHE calls you, then you will not flake, you will go.

Well the thing is that in Medellin, I got a girl that flaked on me and then didn’t even answer the phone. The next day, SHE called me at 8pm and said she wanted to see me at 9pm. And guess what… she flaked… again and didn’t even answer her phone.. again.

But that’s a special situation, as you say, if they flake the first time, it’s very likely they will do it again.

“Cancelling dates is another, but I would only use that on stage 5 flakes.”

What is that ? ultra flakey girls ?

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@lika: you were far too available to this girl. when she called you at 8pm to meet you at 9pm, you accepted even though she had flaked on you the night before. this behavior killed her attraction for you, hence the second flake (i know it doesn’t make sense, you agreeing to her request made her not want to meet you but hey this is chick logic).

a better response would have been telling her that sounds great but i’m busy tonight (in a friendly, easy way), but yeah let’s hang out i’ll call you tomorrow and then not call her tomorrow but a few days later.

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It’s tough to not get flaked on if you are not bringing much to the table (and I don’t mean specifically Roosh here).
To a hot girl, if some Joe Shmoe asks her out, she may say “yes” if she has nothing better going on, but then something better usually does come up.
So make sure your offer is one that she cannot refuse. Be the guy with the nice ride, the nice place with a beatiful view, behind-the-stage tickets, ultra-sharp game, or whatever. Something that give you an edge. If you are an average guy, don’t expect to be banging more than average girls.
Somehow I can’t imagine someone like MPM being flaked on. Be that guy.

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Sorry, hit “post” before I meant to.
So (and this is not Roosh hate – respect!) if you are a guy who lives in a cheap rented room in a bad part of town, has no sport car, wears no custom suits, is not invited to some hot party, then what’s really in it for the girl?
The only thing you got going is your sharp game (and your veiny cock) – but she hasn’t seen it yet. So I could see a lot of flakes from the hotter girls.
As Roosh correctly points out, mediocre girls will not flake. For them, just the veiny cock may be enough. But the hot ones take more effort, luck, and game.

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College game Disgusting and pathetic?? Nah, brah, you’re never too young to be a dirty old man. Maybe it’ll look a bit creepy when you’re 35, but not if you keep training and put some muscle on.

At any rate, haters won’t be laughing when you’re hand feeding chocolates wrapped in gold foil to your perfectly-assed Brazilian bribe.

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Hm the flake phenomenon…. I bet they wouldn’t flake on the hottest guy in their social circle (word would get around… It would cause issues)?

I wonder if guys that do this are not demonstrating higher value enough. The type that she remembers because she can’t believe someone like *that* has finally come her way… Like a modeling director, or pro athlete, actor, etc.

It is very easy to flake on anyone that is a stranger if you don’t feel like that person is truly a step up and out of your league of life.

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“I’ve had guys tell me the girls didn’t cancel until they were already waiting at the bar”

LOL, you didn’t think we were falling for that, did you?

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Flaking via text is one thing. However, it’s painful to be stood up at a bar after a date has been confirmed.

I’ve had girls text me the next morning with some lame excuse about losing their phone at work and that they had no way of contacting me. I think most guys fall for this b.s.

Whenever a girl flakes, a guy is almost always willing to accept her lame excuse. The most probable reason a girl flaked on you??? She was hanging with another dude. Guys never want to accept this.

I think this is why the 4-5 hour pre-date confirmation is key. If I’m dealing with a girl who is under 25 I think it is a good move.

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I think your posts are so valuable to revealing why guys can never establish a long term relationship! Congratulations on encouraging more men to worship their dick!

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Funny is this doesn’t just apply to college age girls. Examples of what happened to me (although this is online as there are NO venues with hot women in 4 cities near me(florida) And orlando clubs are 10+ guys per every girl):

Girl 1: she was a 9, She emailed twice, by the 2nd email she was calling me darling. When I asked for the name and a date….flaked. She’s 33.

Girl 2: 7-8 Got the date, magic! Great day..went for the bang and got it. said she’d call next day after setting up the other date..flaked. Again a 33 yr old.

Girl 3: a 8, Got the date, good times. pulled the staring contest move and got the make out. Didn’t get the bang. Even text me after thanking me and complimenting, then never replied to mine….flaked. 38 year old.

Girl 4: 9, Many texts emails from her. Went for the date setup. She flaked an hour before. 34 yr old.

I do have a 7 setup for this week who I’m fairly sure may not flake but you never know. Shes already wanting the bang, 33 yr old as well.

Roosh Can you PLEASE write a book on dating site Game for us people who have no better option as yet for finding women? I know it’s not the ideal way (I have mostly all your books) as described in Bang. But I’m 41 not 19 so clubbing/bar hopping isn’t a viable option in my area. Thanks

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Girls flake because they don’t know you well enough.

If you take the time to develop more than a superficial facade of a relationship, the flake factor will go way down.

You do this by small interactions over a period of time that gradually get her used to the idea of you as a man. THEN you ask for the date.

This is why, despite everything Roosh espouses about laying women, he’s only able to to lay attractive, but in every other sense, low-quality women (the type with zero loyalty or long-term value).

The only way to get truly high-quality women is to aggressively expand your social circle and take a networking approach, where she knows your friends and vice versa.

-RR

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How boring to only game girls in social circle, rather stab my eye balls out.

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What a hoot this page is. I have never laughed so much in a long time. I have never been let down once in Colombia. Just be honest guys, admit it! Stop denying. Take a good look at that ugly jabba the hut mug and silhouette reflecting back from your mirror. Reading your posts is friggin hilarious…how old are you guys anyway? You write with the wit and maturity of school boys.
Give yourselves a reality check and succumb to who you really are, then and only then may you overcome the flakey results.

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Haha such a liar. I dont think there is a person who has never been let down in colombia.

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If you are even the least bit outgoing beyond hunting for chicks, then this problem can be prevented by simply inviting her to a place that you desire to be at, regardless.

So, if she’s a no-show, who cares?

Optionally, invite two non-acquainted chicks to the same date (playing the odds), and if they both show, say “I’m sorry. I have a friend I really wanted ****** to meet, so I invited you both here, but he just called and cancelled…I’ve heard short notice is common in Colombia.”

If they BOTH walk out at this point, so what! Broads are everywhere.

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