Approaching Large Groups Is A Waste Of Time

I’m not a big fan of approaching large groups of four or more people, whether they’re only girls or mixed with guys. I honestly can’t think of a harder way to pick up a girl. When it comes to big groups I wait until the girl I like isolates herself before making a move.

Mystery invented “group theory” and it was the foundation of his game, but when you look at his appearance and pickup style it’s obvious why he was such a fan of it: he looks like a wizard and even performs wizardry. Of course he’s going to open the group, and now with his fame I’m sure it’s even easier. But for an average guy like myself who doesn’t know magic tricks and leaves the tarot cards at home, it’s smarter and more efficient to wait.

Three weeks ago I was at the champagne bar with my Danish roommate. It was a Wednesday so there weren’t many people, and the girls who showed up were older and on the thickie side.

We’re drinking and I noticed a cute petite girl with five other people at a table (three guys and two girls). They were busy talking amongst themselves and having a good time, and to me it was obvious they were all friends. I could go up to them with some fun opener, but odds are I’d be there for three minutes and then they’d politely tell me to have a nice life. I calculated that the odds of extracting her from the group was 11.4%. So I waited instead because it was just a matter of time until she had to stop by the bar, use the bathroom, or go outside for a smoke.

She went outside for a smoke. I looked at my roommate and told him to give me his phone since I left mine at home. I went outside and pretended to make a call. With the phone to my ear I looked over to my right and noticed she was standing ten feet away smoking alone. I took the phone down from my ear, entered 0-6-1-4-1-9-7-9-#-CLR, and then took a few steps towards her.

“Excuse me do you know what time this bar closes?” I said in English. I followed up by asking what other places were good that night, an admittingly boring approach but it matched the sedate environment of the bar. She was helpful and I noticed her accent definitely wasn’t Brazilian.

“Your accent is different—I don’t think you’re a B girl.”

“No I’m from Argentina.”

We talked for at least fifteen minutes outside, well after her cigarette was done. She really dug the fact that I traveled through her country and we went into the differences between various cultures. To introduce some tension into the interaction I joked that Argentines were snobs who think they’re Italian. She responded by saying she was half-Italian. Eventually she invited me to sit at her table and I chatted with her friends, mostly ignoring her, until they dropped out one by one The night ended with me and my roommate walking her home where numbers were exchanged (I already tried to get her to another bar but she had to wake up early).

Now I’m not saying that you can’t pull from large groups, but to do well at it you’ll have to be a clown, at least initially. But no matter how great your jokes are or how accurate your handwriting analysis is, it’s terribly unlikely that you’ll be able to talk to your girl without having her ugly friends be all up in the conversation.

Approaching large groups is too much of a roundabout way to pulling one girl. It’s a better strategy to wait until that girl isolates herself, which is what you would have do to anyway. Plus she’ll be much more open to talking to you without her judgmental, obese, and cockblocking friends spying on the conversation. Plus as long as she stays in her group it’s doubtful that other guys will make an attempt, so it keeps her safe from other cocks until you’re ready.

If by the end of the night you’re ready to go and she’s still nestled in her group, then go ahead and make an attempt, but if you can wait, then wait.

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Tampa
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This advice is total gold right here. A top 10 post. You are a minnow in a shark tank approaching large groups. Great isolation technique right here.

Matt Savage
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I’d have to agree with this, there are too many obstacles and challenges with flying solo into a pack of women.

Also, I think a big problem is that even if the girl you are targeting is attracted to you, it’s not likely that she’ll readily start throwing IOIs at you as she will not want to be judged by her friends. Also, she may not be the leader of the group, the one making calling the shots, and will need to get the approval from the leader before showing any interest.

Not to mention, that if you get blown out by the group early on, you lose points for looking like a fool should you want to approach in isolation later on.

Matt Savage’s last blog post: Attraction Triangle Game Theory.

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I totally agree with this.

I’m kind of a lazy person anyway, and idea of approaching large groups and running game in nightclubs is always a lot of work.

I find that the most effective way to get girls is to approach them during the day when they’re alone.

Not sure if this would work in South America, but it works great here in California.

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Excellent advice. I find with groups of 2 or 3, its much easier, but still a challange. With 2 or 3 people acknowledging everyone should get you the one you want. The most important thing is to not ignore the friends as you are now really gaming everyone.

Culcept’s last blog post: Group Mistakes.

The G Manifesto
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To approach groups of 4 or more you need certain things working in your favor:

– You need to be feeling 100%, if not more.
– Custom Suit. This part is easy if you have the dough and my tailor. Helps you command authority over the group.
– Your mojo and energy have to be super positive. That is why in the 90’s E-tabs were so effective.
– Don’t be visibly too drunk.

As far as approaching groups of 2 or 3 girls, I think this is the easiest. Added benefit: You can “Vicky Christina” ( http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/07/pulling-a-vicky-cristina.html )the girls.

“She went outside for a smoke.”

Smoking is the greatest creation by humans to aid the International Playboy lifestyle.

– MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Swooping Fly Girls in the Time of Cholera.

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My thoughts validated. I wasn’t sure if I was just being lazy but if I see a group of 4 or more, then I won’t bother, unless their body language is inviting, and not when their backs are turned or their just in a circle focusing on each other.

Vincent Ignatius
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A lot of players have discovered this along the way. Gunwitch being one of them.

I only approach a group if I already have high status in the venue.

Vincent Ignatius’s last blog post: White Knights – don’t save her.

The G Manifesto
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More notes on approaching groups of 4 or more:

Summertime, and good weather makes approaching easier.

Outdoor venues ie pool bars at night, roof top bars, patios etc seem easier that interior spots.

Not sure about the “science” of the 2nd part, it is just what I have noticed. Smoking could play a strong factor.

– MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Swooping Fly Girls in the Time of Cholera.

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In Cordoba, things are different. Since pretty much every girl here is attractive, you dont need to have a target. Instead, you can just throw out your vibe to the whole group, “tira la canya”, and see who bites. However, if the girl that bites is under 18, don’t take it seriously.

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Agreed. Great line: Now I’m not saying that you can’t pull from large groups, but to do well at it you’ll have to be a clown.

I always thought the game preached by Mystery was a bit of a joke. Magic tricks. I don’t have time to learn magic tricks nor do I want to perform for a crowd. The game should be more natural for normal guys, because only then can one perform at his peak.

Vincent Ignatius
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I always thought the game preached by Mystery was a bit of a joke.

Mystery was definitely a trend setter, the Newton of game if you will. But he taught what worked for him, a guy who isn’t naturally very masculine, but does love to entertain. What works for a man like Roosh is going to be different. Each man has to figure out for himself what works.

Vincent Ignatius’s last blog post: White Knights – don’t save her.

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The only time I’ve been successful getting a girl from a large group is when the girl is the uncontested alpha leader. If you can appeal to the alpha she’ll willingly separate from the group, if for no other reason than she is getting something first or something the others don’t have. Note that the others will then become available, especially since it’s unlikely that they’ll have time to choose a new leader. Your pals should be paying attention to this, as they can move in on the group and have better luck.

Another strategy is to have a friend make a play for the alpha and distract her from the others, as they’ll be more available for you.

Mind you, this is hard but it can be done.

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looking back on my sordid history, i’d say 80% of my pickups were with women who were either solo or with one friend. picking up in large groups is rare, and it’s not for lack of trying. there are just a lot more variables to control when you are dealing with a girl and five friends than with a girl and one friend.

now if you like a challenge, approaching large groups with the intention of scoring one of the chicks will put hair on your balls faster than anything. and some guys like Mystery argue that approaching groups is better for pickup because it gives you more opportunity to demonstrate value. but i prefer the path of least resistance. the numbers don’t lie.

roissy’s last blog post: The Beta Switch Technique.

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Roissy in the situations with one girl and a friend did you always have a wing to distract the friend?

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can be good a big set…quite often a 2 or 3 set will get jealous of the friend. in a big set a girl can splinter away easy…all relative.
A big group of girls can be fun…if they are all sharing a good mindset
generally a 2 or 3 sets looking to meet guys is the best though

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Mad Jack, excellent point about the alpha female.

Groups can work wonders for DHV if you can endear yourself and quickly become the center of attention. If one of the girls is taking pictures, offer to take a photo of the group. You can run game with one of the girls’ cameras in hand, teasing them about their poses and making observations about the group. (“Let me guess- you’re the bitch. You’re the wild one,” etc.) The only challenge is isolating.

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what’s the significance of the numbers you entered in your friend’s cell phone?

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“he looks like a wizard and even performs wizardry”

Ha ha ha, so true. I like Mystery and learned some things from him, but I’d say of all the PUAs I’ve learned the most from Roosh simply because his stuff is the most practical.

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