Argentine Girls Final Thoughts II

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“Sex is mathematics.”
American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis

One class of email I get are guys who need advice on how to deal with girls from Argentina. I’m posting parts of one recent email along with my answers.

Hey, man. I’m from Washingon, DC. I saw your posts a few months ago about Argentinean girls in Córdoba especially, but I happen to be in Buenos Aires. I’ve been here since June and my game is pretty damn good, but I’d say I have trouble with actually sealing the deal.

I’m nodding my head up and down at this point. I have received dozens of emails with this exact problem.

For example, tonight I met 32 girls, but I have trouble sealing the deal physically. I touch of course, but still I guess it’s hard to get to the kiss. Aparte es dificil convince the chicks that you are the one for them. I’d say I can meet chicks really, really easily, but actually going for it and making sure that we hook up is another thing. And FYI it’s not that I’m a pussy and don’t escalate etc. For example I touch as mentioned, I mention sex, I suggest “us” in a subtle way, and I try to go for it, but usually end up with the girls as friends not fuck buddies.

There are three ways to fuck an Argentine girl. The first is to just go balls out and keeping approaching until you find the slutty one who likes gringos. It’s not efficient but it can work for guys that don’t have enough time to figure them out. Assuming you have decent indirect and aloof game, it should get you pretty close to success. But if your game is direct, generally speaking you will do poorly and risk going 0 for 32. I say “generally speaking” because I have seen one guy successfully work direct game on Argentine girls, but he’s the exception at this point. Stick to indirect and approach a truckload of women and you should hit eventually.

The second way is to use sound strategy, of which I’m still developing. My working theory is this: if you go into a group of Argentine girls with the intent of making out with one of them, it’s almost a certainty you won’t. Instead you have to think, “I’m going to fuck with this girl’s head and she’s going to be so intrigued that she will be on my nutsack.” You have to be the coquette. This passivity goes against everything I’ve learned with how to American girls, but I have accepted that Argentine girls are a different breed of animal. Touching them is mostly ineffective in building attraction. More studies need to be done and if I ever go back to Argentina, I may carry out the research needed to crack the code, as I have for American girls. It would just be a damn shame to have a culture of women that no one has consistently figured out how to fuck.

…another thing; as you mentioned the girls are completely wacko here. It seems like I see a girl staring at me or talk to a girl and she likes me and then she goes coldish saying that she has a boyfriend (obviously and blatantly as if she wants me to know she’s lying) lying) also just kind of moving away even though it’s obvious she wants it. I also think it may have to do with lack of escalation or maybe escalation (kino for example) too fast. And also I think they play hard to get even when they actually like you just to bust your balls,; they is crazy, but obviously some of the cutest girls on this fucking planet.

If you keep doing something that doesn’t work, you need to try something completely different that would never be needed in America. For example, say if often happens that a girl breaks her neck for you and then you walk up to her to say hi but she goes cold. Instead, how about you walk up to her and say, “Excuse me can you stop being rude and staring at me like that? Where I come from we don’t do that.” Have a blank expression so she doesn’t know if you were serious or not.

If a girl shows you her “boyfriend” on her cellphone (something that will happen about 50% of the time), she wants you to think she is desired by another man. Instead how about you say, “Oh wow he’s a good looking guy. Is he gay? I swear at the club I was at last night I saw a guy looking like him kissing another man.” Her response will be to qualify him, putting her on the defensive. Continue the charade with a confused look on your face, as if you think it’s a little strange she likes bisexual men.

I think you get the point. I’m not saying these moves will get you instantly in her pants, but if you constantly experiment you’re bound to strike on something that gets the reaction you want. Bottom line: do something very different than what you are used to doing. Because Argentine girls are very different.

When it comes to Brazilian girls, use standard American game. No change is needed.

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I havent been to argentina, and therefore my opinion is qualified. However, I cannot think of a circumstance with any female on the planet where ‘good’ direct game wouldnt work. That is, James Bond game. To clarify further, incredibly charming direct game, not just ‘i want to fuck you’ game, but ‘i want to fuck you’ game that makes her feel like a princess. In my experience, this is the most difficult game to master, both because it takes balls and it isnt intuitive to know what to say. Not many men can pull it off without a lot of practice with women. But think about it, who would get the girl, James Bond or the guy who is calling her ‘boyfriend’ gay? (BTW, IMO, most girls read through these type of cocky comments as blatant flirting- not good- as when indirect game is called out it comes off as pussy). Anyway, try going up to an Argentine and saying “Excuse me, but I just couldnt get on with my day without meeting you”. Watch her blush, and get on from there. Your strong intention is in with your first line, half the work is done, and you just need to be cool and get to know her from there. To crank the James Bond after the get to know you, be a gentleman, but keep the double entendres and sexual vibe up(not creepily-importnant, has to be smooth, dont break the illusion). And escalate when appropriate, but be very confident in doing so, as if she would never reject you. That kind of treatment is the epitome of seduction, in my opinion…anyway, results may vary.

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I’m Argentina, and you’re right. That’s how it is, the culture we’re bred into . I swear we , Argentine girls didn’t make the rules . It’s just how it is and we also have had to play the role that goes along with it. Really every culture has its “courting dance” . I have a hard time with the one in US, b/c I wasn’t born into it. That’s really all it is … but to get it you need to know that it’s not about the women setting these rules . If you do , then like our friend Roosh here, you are never gonna get it. The reason s for our particular type of courtship dance has to do with things like: how important friends are to us. Friends are the epicenter of an Argentine person. Family also another huge part of our life. Those two things dictate everything about our courtship style . I can’t go into the many ways those two factors regulate the dating process but just take my word for it. Also , Argentine men are charming players, everyone of them. We love them but we know that , so it’s in or DNA to test and test and then test them some more just to be sure we don’t get played. So that we can find the one that keeps the charm but will give up his player ways for us. Anyway Chris you are on the right track. Roosh dude, dig below the surface. To understand Argentine dating you have to get to know the culture better, but thanks for trying. I’m really flattered you actually care. Beso!

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Roosh,

I was the guy who approached you and your students at Whole Foods on Saturday. I’m not an expert on Argentine girls, but I did live in Colombia for four years, so I can tell you a lot about women there. I’ve also worked and travelled a lot in other Latin American countries, so I have a comparative perspective. I don’t have time to go into detail now, but being able to talk (a LOT) in Spanish is vital. Knowing details about the country and expressing fondness for it is important. Being blue-eyed and foreign is a huge, huge bonus….women approached me often, sometimes brazenly, especially in mid-sized cities. In most scenarios, I could kiss a girl within minutes of meeting her, but getting beyond that often takes time and perseverance. I don’t know how much game is going to help you change that fact. Then again, I know things now that I didn’t know then…maybe I need to go back!

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I’ve been reading this blog for one year but it was only in the last week that I’ve spotted the hairy Persian out and about (once last week by Cafe St. Ex and last weekend at Fuddruckers in Chinatown). Grizzly Adams looks scary in person! Keep up the good work, can’t wait to read the survey results.

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Dude, Read the book “The Past”/”El Pasado” by Alan Pauls… Its about argentinian girls… Makes Fatal Attraction look like Say Anything.

It was also made into a decent movie but they left out the death-bed handjob scene… I was disappointed.

Ed

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I think Chris makes some good points.

I have always had good success with Portenas using direct Alpha Male style Game.

The key is don’t be too serious. Have fun but also be direct. Carefree Playboy style. Latina girls always respond well to that.

The main difference I think in Argentina is the Game is more “transitional” than “post up” as it is in the US.

In America, I can go flash suited down sipping a drink at a bar and girls will step.

In Argentina, girls will rarely step. So you have to catch them in “transition”; that is going to smoke, going to the bar, returning from the bar to meet their friends.

And yes, the more Spanish you know, the better.

Argentina is actually easier than Spain; which is a whole different story.

– MPM

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Sounds like the Argentine girls have the right strategy for what they (and all women) want – to pin down a provider before giving up the pussy. What’s more valuable – some average American broad that’s trading vagina for a few free drinks and a cab ride back to your place, or a haughty ice princess that makes you feel like you summited Everest when you get in her pants.
Personally, I’d rather have a challenge.
I’m going down to BsAs this summer, and can’t wait to see what the fuss is all about. I’ll bang tourists at the hostel while I put in work on my selected Portena princess, no pressure, no problem.

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G…
What is “post-up” game?

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“Post Up” Game is more stationary variety of Game where you are “posting up” at a point in a bar, restaurant or club. Typically done in the “energy vortex” of the establishment.

This is a technique that allows you to control the room (like controlling the middle squares of the chess board) and lets girls check you out and step to you.

– MPM

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What is so special about Argentine girls? They’re basically Italians with bitch shield turned to maximum. Annoying kills horny. If I want to play games I’ll get my X-Box.

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From my personal experience the direct game doesn’t work as well in Argentina bc every other guy uses it. I’ve never seen women get grabbed at so much and the guys love to tell women how beautiful they are.

I had ‘good’ success(?) in Argentina (1 lay, several kiss-closes) especially when I played the indirect game. I confused the shit of the one girl I had sex with by making her believe I was gay.

After 15 minutes or confusion – “I’m really attracted to you, but it’s too bad I’m gay.” – she pulled me away from her friends for a make out session.

Just my 2-cents

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‘What is so special about Argentine girls?”

http://www.missparcodelcilento.it/public/imgevento/belen-rodriguez-sexy.jpg

Take a stroll down Avenida Santa Fe.

– MPM

“I have all the characteristics of a human being: blood, flesh, skin, hair; but not a single, clear, identifiable emotion, except for greed and disgust. Something horrible is happening inside of me and I don’t know why. My nightly bloodlust has overflown into my days. I feel lethal, on the verge of frenzy. I think my mask of sanity is about to slip. ”

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32 girls and no luck….damn. Are these girls really that difficult? There must be a way. Alright I am going to research this some more…

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I’m reluctant to promote Colombian women here, because I’d prefer to keep them for myself, but I think they combine the beauty of Argentine women with the sexiness and playfulness of Brazilian women. They are passionate (extraordinarily loving and hot-tempered, often within seconds of each other) and loyal. I won’t get into class issues (best to avoid the rich ones), but a good-hearted, middle-class Colombian woman can make an outstanding long-term partner, the kind of woman that most of us agree is a true rarity in the U.S. The cultural learning curve can be steep, and the relationship will be trying at times, but once you figure things out and apply LTR game (this is not a misnomer), you’ll wonder why you were so against marriage all those years. If you really have your shit together, you’ll still be having torrid sex 5 times a week after 10 years of marriage, and you might even get permission to have affairs and threesomes.

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Backdoor Man,

Agreed on Colombianas. I try not to mention them too much myself either.

Best kept secret.

I have always thought that if I ever get married, it will be to a Colombiana, or small seaside Spanish girl.

Or girls.

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G,
that woman in that pic is the epitome of sex…insane..i i dont usually put the p on a pedestal, but damn..i would be a stuttering fool around her I think. Especially because she is used to the directness of latin americans. But still, sincerity is the best bet I beleive. The great thing about her rare equivelant in america is that girls like that rarely get approached outside of cat calls and clubs, and if they do its rarely done with enough charm and confidence, and they seem to respond to tight direct game better than the average girl. Guys are more confident around average girls, and they hear confident lines more often. (average girls tend to think your being insincere or too direct because they arent up to par, and they are suspicious of your intent – and rightly so. low self esteem can kill your direct game sometimes, weird.)Super hot American girls can be friendlier and easier to work with than their marginally hot sisters…

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[q]You have to be the coquette”[/q]

The Art of Seduction is a great book indeed.

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Mr. G., thank you for the definition.

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roosh and the other guys posting here who have actually spent some time on the ground in Arg know what they’re talking about.

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If a girl shows you her “boyfriend” on her cellphone (something that will happen about 50% of the time), she wants you to think she is desired by another man.

James Bond (or similarly suave guy) would probably give a quick glance and say “sorry, he’s not my type” and then look her straight in the eyes with the unsaid statement that she clearly IS his type.

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Haven’t been to South America yet. I’ve had “yellow fever” much of the last few years so I’ve been to the Philippines and Japan many times. But after dating a very sexy Mexican chica I have now turned into a Latina Lover.

I’m very blessed and thankful that I get paid to fly to places such as these (I’m a 737 pilot), most jet drivers will pass on these sort of trips due to the challenging flying (and terrain) coupled with overnighting and dealing with the everyday hassles of developing countries. Hate it or love it.

MPM – Cali or Bogota?

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CP,

If you want quick and easy ass, definitely choose Cali. If you can dance (especially salsa), you’ll do better. Cali is more tropical (Bogota is at 8600 feet), and the people are more carefree and easy to talk to. Calenas are not as pretty as the women in Medellin or Bogota, but they are darkier, sexier, and easier to bang. Cali is to Medellin and Bogota what Brazil is to Argentina.

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CP,

Here’s an example of Cali (and frankly, most any part of my four years in Colombia). I was doing research and was interviewing some guy in Cali. I spent all of 2 minutes waiting for the guy, but the two secretaries got a good look at me before I entered his office. After the interview, back at the hotel, I got a call from one of them, asking me if I needed anything else for my research. I said no, everything was fine, thank you very much. She hemmed and hawed and finally blurted out that she was calling on behalf of the other secretary, who was “very impressed” and wanted to meet me. I was flying back to Bogota that night, so I couldn’t follow up. But how often does that shit happen to a man? My blonde hair and blue eyes, fluent Spanish, and foreign status sometimes did half the work.

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Backdoor Man,

Your story is the perfect example of how being the exotic one drastically decreases the amount of effort needed to game internationally. I’ve got black hair and brown eyes and poor Spanish (working on that), but man, Colombian ladies are too sizzlin’ to resist. I’m really loving the shapely bodies with dark curly hair and olive colored eyes. That’s not counting the stories about how great they are in the sack.

I was considering BA earlier as a first stop. After talking to colleagues I’m either going to Rio or (somewhere in) Colombia.

I’m caucasian mixed filipino and my appearance alone is enough in places like Asia, but in places like South America I will likely need to exert much more effort than you. Where there’s a will, there’s definitely a way.

CP

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Argentine girls are harder to get than Americans or Brazilians, granted; but you are also missing one key point: Argentine girls tend to like Argentine guys (or guys similar to them, both physically and in their approach to the game, such as other latinos, Italians or Spanish). Most Argentine girls do not usually like gringos- and they like them the least in Argentina, where they have tons of Argentine guys to choose from. They like the way Argentine guys look, dress, wear their hair… Argentine girls may look good, but the supply of great looking men in Argentina is something rare as well (at least the type of men Argie girls like)

Most importantly is the way Argentine guys act. They have a kind of game that works with Argentine girls. And it is along the lines described by Chris… they treat you as a Princess for the night even if all they want to do is pump and dump you. The most charming guys I’ve ever met are from Argentina and have mastered a game with quick, smart and funny comebacks which I do not usually come across in the US. And I am not talking about the stupid Argentine guys who come and grab you, as you once described seeing in Argentina, Roosh.

When I go out with Argentine friends (guys) here in DC, it is amazing to see how girls fall for their game… I always wonder whether they are good cause they are trained to get Argentine girls, or whether Argentine girls are hard for gringos to get just because Argentine guys’ game is soo good… sort of a chicken and egg situation

Anyway, as an Argentine girl I thought I would contribute with something.

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Also, being blond and blue-eyed is not being “exotic” in Buenos Aires or Cordoba, where we have lots of them, so that won’t really get you guys points. Further, in Argentina you get blonds who actually tan, plus a pasty white complexion is not something that is generally well seen by Argentine girls.

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oops, in my first comment I meant that the huge supply of great looking men in Argentina is something rarely seen in other places

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“MPM – Cali or Bogota?”

Never been to Cali but after Backdoor Man’s description, I need to throw it near the top of the list.

Backdoor Man,

How do you compare Cali VS Medellin?

And how does Cartagena compare to all three?

Cartagena is weighing heavy on my radar screen.

I think a early summer trip is in the works. Or Barcelona.

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G Manifesto,

Cali, Cartagena, and Medellin are very different cities. That’s part of the magic of Colombia. Medellin is very white, and, let’s face it, racist (I assume you are black). Cartagena is quite black, but the image that sticks in the popular imagination is the old colonial part, which is full of tourists, both Colombian and international. It is stunning, but the parts you want to visit you can see in a day or two. Most Cartageneros live in slums (the biggest one is called Nelson Mandela); it is an eye-opening experience, but not a place for picking up women; that is, unless you want an authentic South American ghetto experience, which means you can’t trust any woman you meet (they all want a green card, or at least a meal), and you need to watch your back constantly. That said, dudes I met on the street would bring me home to meet their sisters when I was there. Again, the blue-eyed advantage…..

I recommend Cali if you want a party and dark-skinned women with a strong, no-strings sexual appetite. The streets are full of women riding scooters, which, for some reason, I found to be really sexy.

I’ve never been to Barcelona, but my friend currently lives in Madrid. He has been a pollster for Obama since 2001 (yeah, he was talking him up three full years before his first convention speech). That fact apparently hasn’t helped him much in his quest for non-marital snatch. If you go to Barcelona, I’d go for the architecture, the food, and the international scene; don’t go for the local pussy.

Sudamericana: Leonel Messi is overrrated and ugly, and a sad reflection of Argentina today. Maradona, in all his obese and coked-up glory, is a truer reflection of the Argentine soul. 5-0.

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I’ve traveled to Colombia, Argentina, and Brazil. I’ve had good success over the years but Argentina was a place where I was getting blown out often. I tried both direct and indirect game but I did not notice a difference. I think that the key in Argentina is “social proof” more than anything. Being an American with blue eyes is not social proof. You have to be the guy who knows everyone and walks around the bar chatting with everyone. Argentines are the most self conscious girls on the planet. They are also crazy as evidenced by the fact they have the highest rates of having a psychiatrist in the world. They are constantly thinking about what everyone in the bar thinks of them. Thus, they are more apt to be focused on social proof.

However, I don’t even bother anymore. Colombians and Brazilians are cooler. Yes, you won’t find the Covergirl faces very often with Colombians and Brazilians but Argies are just not worth the ink that we’re spilling about them.

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Great friend of mine was married to an Argyle but he said she was crazy. He was from the UK and I guess she may have been from down under but all I know is the result.

The pics of those Argyle girls Roosh used are enchanting and it must be hard to be around so many cuties and getting nowhere. My lawyer is originally from Buenos Aries. Before some years passed she was probably very typical: pretty and very sharp and very good personality.

I had said to her not long after meeting that I liked her style and I never really say that to anyone (especially in NY).

Think that outside of NYC no girls overrate themselves more than BA (Buenos Aires) girls. Looks probably don’t go far with them, status I think is a big part of their culture, especially if they are from a good well educated family.

Brazilian girls will be easier for many reasons one of which is the saying in Brazil “no one lives for tomorrow.” In a developing nation, they appreciate the moment as the future is uncertain.

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This blog has seriously gotten unreadable. Good bye for good.

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Backdoor Man,

I appreciate the breakdown.

“I assume you are black”

Funny that you say that: I am half Irish, half Spanish. (Look more Spanish, whatever that means, than Irish.).

Medellin sounds real interesting. So does Cartagena, especially for the beach aspect.

Barcelona is a city I know like the back of my hand. Girls are black diamond level, tough, but with some well delivered artistic Game, very attainable. And worth it.

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I think Sudamericana makes some very good points. U.S. guy “game” doesn’t work on those girls because Argentine guys blow them out of the water when it comes to knowing how to appeal to girls. Guys in SA approach far more often and with a sort of charm and constant flattery that girls not raised there are not used to. Now, ask any South American and they’ll tell you with a wry smile and soem astonishment that gringas, well, “they BELIEVE everything you say.” So, fine, it’s game and the goal is to get in your pants but it sure does a lot for a girls self esteem. Ultimately, if you try to approach like you do in the States you’ll fall flat on your face or end up with a goldigger/prostitute because guys here just can’t compete.

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Brazilians are generally not as pretty as Argentines, but I submit that Colombians are just as pretty. Perhaps even more so. Women there have been steeped in beauty-pageant culture, so even the toughest and most feminist woman there has, somewhere, a deep desire to be a beauty queen or the regret that they weren’t one. That femininity is matched only, perhaps, by Venezuela.

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Roosh,

Since Game is so heavily based on evo psych and more general psychology, there is an implication–that is often reaffirmed amongst those of us who study Game–that a woman’s attraction buttons are intrinsic features of her brain, and are more or less identical across all female humans. Clearly though, culture influences play SOME role in what a woman finds attractive. I’m curious, do you have any general thoughts as to the principles of Game that really do apply to ALL women–all over the world, all throughout time–and those that are more dependent on cultural factors?

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“That femininity is matched only, perhaps, by Venezuela.”

Yeah, I was going to say Venezuela.

Don’t count out Espana either.

Often overlooked.

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ok, having spent a significant amount of time in colombia and venezuela, I can say with confidence that half the reason the women there are so feminien and care so much about beauty is that when they put the effort in, they are rewarded with positive attention galore from men. the men there just LOVE women, they love their beauty and women respond accordingly. this is whats missing in the states.

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Argentina was difficult. I’ve never been blown out more, although I was having a good time anyway. In 4 nights, the only success I had was my final one, when I entered a club in a popular but non-gringo zone and projected the strongest shockwave vibe of confidence I could muster, and managed to only get the attention of one cutie. I took her home, but here’s the punchline: she was Colombian. Lesson learned. Medellin next!

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#34…
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argentinian girls in Brazil tend to lower their bitch shields a lot. If Argentina is not defaulting on her debts at the moment, you’ll see lots of them in the south of Brazil (Florianópolis is the place) of in the Northeast (the beaches of Bahia, mostly)

But argentinian girls in the northeast have a preference for black guys, though. Learn about the holidays in argentina and then book a trip to any of those places.

Lastly, Bariloche i Argentina proper is a sort of south american ibiza in the Andes, where the girls also lower their bitch shields

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The “social proof” point in regards to Argentina is totally spot on… and that’s something I do not like about my country… in fact, girls usually go out to particular places hoping to run into specific guys who they know and like from before, so they won’t even look at gringos

LOL when I read the anon comment about SA guys saying that American girls believe everything you say… cause in fact, when in a previous comment I was making reference to my Argentine guy friends who approach girls here and have a tremendous success rate, I was remembering the big lies they would tell the girls, just for kicks, knowing they would fall for them… so one of the guys would pretend he was a poet, another one a surf instructor, etc. and continue that sort of story for hours… Argentine guys lie, but their flattery can actually makes you feel great, even if it’s only for one night

If the girls you met in Bariloche were rather young, they may have lowered their bitch side cause that’s were they go for their big high school graduation trip. So think one huge Spring Break that you have been waiting for for years and years, where the number one goal is to get as drunk as you’ve ever been (and where girls tend to lose their inhibitions cause there’s an “anything goes” sense to it).

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Backdoor Man, rather than Messi or Maradona, who I could not care less about, if you want to know what type of guys I’m talking about (and are feeling just a little bit gay today) switch from soccer to rugby, and google images for “juan martin hernandez”or “juani hernandez”. You can find many ordinary guys who look quite similar to him in Argentina, but I have yet to see one in the US. Add their amazing flirting skills to that… and you get the picture

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i think there is a lot to what sudamericana says…. american guys tend to equate being direct with being all up in a girls grill and being the token guy at the club who talks to every piece of meat in sight. the latino version of being direct is a mix of absurdist flattery. a premium is not placed on downgrading the girl, in making her feel inferior and thus in a defensive position of qualifying herself to you. you have to seduce her, and that is done through the eyes, the words, and the body through dancing.

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Come on guys… I was shot down for a week in BA, but after a couple of spanish lessons and a less indirect approach the results came! Like a reader said earlier, you have to go for a kinda smooth James Bond style. But it doesn´t mean you can´t kiss the girl early on in the interaction. 75% I would kiss after less than 5 minutes. So, game on, boys! Be slick, it is more in the attitude than in what you say. If you think you have to use neg, you are probably not worthy for the cutie anyways… The argentine guys I have seen game, are all pretty natural, but not necessarily effective. They are what i would call kinda clingy and it is not something you want to emulate!

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Hey Roosh – “Because Argentine women are different” you stated. I disagree. This kind of crap they are pulling is very familiar to me because it is essentially Americanized, albeit Americanized-light behavior. All the self-entitled princess shit culture that the USA is now famous for has spread like a cancer to Argentina. A lot of skanks here have adopted a quasi Paris-Hilton-wannabee tendencies. There are better places in SA for snatch so why bother to travel all those miles on a plane only to encounter the horseshit you wanted to leave in the great wasteland USA.

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hey guys, hi Roosh, alright check this out, i’ve been living here in Buenos Aires for 5 years now, im a pretty good looking guy from United States, however, here even a good looking guy will have to work for a girl. REally, the girls here are HISTERICAL, that is, have low self esteem and need you to desire them, you will have to put your dignity aside and either treat them agressively and cocky or flatter them like some loser (chamuyando) lying to them. You may feel like a bitch for it so its probably not worth it. Most pretty Argentinian girls (not allbut most)are inmature personality wise and this shows in that they play hard to get, always thinking about themselves and its hard to talk about something profound like philosophy or psychology with them, IF you want to lose your dignity and win a hysterical girl here, u should try being CONFIDENT and IGNORE the negative reactions they put up, even if sometimes they like you, it is all part of the GAME they play. The Argentinian B.A.men (americana) are not that good looking, especially taking into account their personality which is quite superficial, most ganadores, players are actually the few in Buenos Aires, and they are not good looking mostly,just agressive and “fun” CONFIDENT, MOST Buenos Aires guys actually feel bad because they cannot be cancheros or players because the girls are so damn hysterical, you will find that most people in Buenos Aires know this, it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE. So, if you want to get laid, go somewhere else, if you want to test your game come here, u just have to be CONFIDENT AND PERSISTENT. Most Argentinians girls lie to themselves saying they want a good guy, but they dont, they want a canchero or player, one who generates a lot of desire from women, its all about desire here a game of who has the power of being desired. You will find luck in hostels or clubs with non-argentinians. The problem is the culture itself, Buenos Aires culture is very poor and has a weak national identity, and this lack of self esteem gives the typical porteno stereotype of arrogant which is quite true. There are few nice and geniune, true people here, and take this into consideration when you come down because the women being less truthfull, will not admit their desire for you and will judge you not on who you are but how much power you have (of generating desire or attraction). forget being an accomplished person, only a few girls care about this. Many portenos will deny what I wrote here but it is the solid truth! be careful of this place because it can confuse you and change you, the society here destroys individuality and you may find yourself losing dignity and self respect. THANX and GOOD LUCK guys. —-if you get rejected, if you are a good guy, dont hate yourself its the country and its values. trust me.

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Nice posts, interesting comments. This is my second time in Argentina. I’m currently here for 4 months and hoping to land a steady piece of ass so as to not have to put in late nights at the club (I like to drink, so trying to go ‘clubbing’ invariably means I’m smashed by 1am).

Honestly though, all these posts seem very pseudo-scientific and not sure how much ‘all-encompassing theory’ can be drawn from them. For what it is worth, here’s my thoughts: just be your confident, cool self and if they don’t come to you, you don’t run into them or you don’t hit it off, fuck ’em.

Last time I was here, I started out in B.A. Typical shenanigans as described above: early 20-somethings ‘practicing’ their English with us, taking us to a bar and then disappearing and leaving us literally stranded. As I often do despite my foreknowledge, I said fuck it, I’m not hitting on anyone. Next thing I know, chicks are hitting on me.

Granted, the first one was in El Calafate down south, near Perito Moreno. Glacier guide, you could shoe a horse on her ass it was that firm. I was genuinely interested in the region and the glacier etc… and before I know it she’s telling me about her brother, family and inviting me to the bar, wtf? Doesn’t sound too unusual; genuine interest begets genuine interest.

Second time, I’m back in B.A., I’ve entirely given up on hitting on chicks–I just don’t get flirting, never been very good at it, except once in a blue moon I’m golden–and a friend and I are boozing at this small bar, very late, when 2 beautiful women–one blond, one brunette–sit with us. Both barely speak any English and essentially sit there with us watching my buddy and I recount our month-long adventure (I’m sure they could barely understand any of it just as sure as I was that they could give a shit about us). Finally, the gorgeous blond musters all of her English (which is more than my Spanish, to her credit) and says “Why do you like Argentina,” I give her the standard, if truthful, line: nice people, nice city, something different, good personality etc… Before I know it, she is all over me, dragging me back to her apartment in the rain, kissing my neck etc… literally, she was like an abandoned puppy dog. Here’s the problem: our plane was leaving EZE in 2 hours and my buddy wrenched me away. I didn’t even realize how hot or how into me the chick was until half-way to the states b/c I was so drunk that night. She didn’t seem to care, in the least, about my gringo appetite for suds.

Currently I’m back in B.A. for a few months. More b/c I want to learn Spanish and I like the atmosphere, the exchange rate and the Euro style of Argentina more so than b/c of the ‘legendary’ beauty of the women. That said, their beauty is a wonderful bonus.

…And this is where my recent experience ties in quite well with much of the commentary above. Despite general success just ‘being myself’, I am taking Spanish classes right now and my teacher is just as fucking cute as a button. She stares/locks eyes with me outside of class and vice verse. Granted, its a controlled setting, but I’m pretty damn charming in class and she and the other women (Germans, Brazilians, US American) seem to eat it up. So I thought this would be a no-brainer. After a bit of deliberation, I approached her while she was in transition from work–when Spanish classes were out–and she acted like I was dog food. I asked pretty basic questions that a normal person would just answer friendly. Upon reflection, she is either ‘playing games’ or she just truly is not interested. A normal person would simply have said “Yes I grew up in Palermo, I’ve been working here for 2 years and it is pretty good” rather than coldly staring, deadpan expression, and saying “Why do you want to know?”. Am I crazy or is she? I swear she seems totally normal otherwise.

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You are a smart man.

Getting laid is good and all but if you focus your talents on making money you will also be a rich man that gets laid.

My 2 centos!

Juan
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XD

I’m from Argentina and everything you wrote isn’t true