At What Age Does A Player Peak?

It’s hard for a guy under 35 not to get excited when he becomes good at game and unleashes its awesome power. He sees firsthand how the female species has been given 10 years of immense beauty while giving him decades more of potential peak performance where he can leverage his resources, resourcefulness, and experiences into getting women. I’m currently 34, and have not yet noticed a decreasing ability to lay beautiful girls who are college-aged. In fact, only somewhat recently have I made love to the youngest girl I’ve ever been with (17) and last year my quality was probably the highest it’s ever been. But I know this party won’t last forever.

Many women are surprised upon hitting the wall around the age of 35, when seemingly overnight they can no longer attract the studs they used to. Does this also happen to men? For the past 6 months I’ve talked to some older players, and while men don’t smash into the wall head-on, there is an impact that tends to reduce both the quantity and quality he used to get without outright having to sponsor women. This last point is important, because a 70-year-old billionaire can have a hot model for a girlfriend, but I will safely assume that you don’t want a golddigger. Like me, you may want more or less a “normal” girl who has some real attraction for you that is not entirely based on your bank account.

No matter how good your game gets, a 23-year-old girl will have less primal attraction for your 53-year-old self than when you were 33. This suggests that there is definitely a peak for men, and while there is some argument about the exact age, consensus among men I’ve talked to suggests it’s around 43. This won’t hold true if your status skyrockets after 43, such as if you become famous, but it’s safe to say that after this age, you will not get hotter women, younger women, or a higher quantity of women based on the same amount of work you put in before. It means you will have to do more approaches per lay and spend more time on each individual girl to get her into bed. At an even later age, maybe past 50, you won’t be able to get the quality you got before no matter how much work you do without some kind of sponsorship or resource sharing, and this assumes you have the resources to do so.

You may now be thinking, “Well I’ll be sure to settle by my early 40’s to maximize the quality I can get.” There’s a problem with that strategy: relationships don’t last forever. Even if tomorrow I get into an amazing 20-year relationship with a beautiful girl, that still means I’ll be single again in my 50’s, when my sexual value is on the definite downswing. Any time you hang up your boots with a woman, you’re only delaying the next time you have to hunt for one, but that time will come again unless you are the lucky 0.1% who has the type of marriage our grandparents had. In all odds the relationship will end before you die, and you’ll have to hunt again. There is no escaping the fact that you’ll have to play the game past your peak when it’s difficult or downright impossible to get the type of women you could before.

In spite of the fact that we have a peak, any relationship you enter should be mainly based on your needs and the girl in question, not your age. If you’re 43 years old and you truly don’t want a relationship or children, you should not enter one just because your value has peaked, especially if it will cause a decline in your happiness. Even more damaging than having to chase girls when you’re old is staying in a relationship that isn’t right for you, but if you’ve had your fill of pussy chasing and meet a girl that you consider a worthy partner, you should do so as long as you accept that one day you’ll still have to go right back to hunting in a much less favorable environment than before. Settling is therefore not an either-or alternative to playing the game. Not only may you have to play the game within that relationship to keep her attraction for you high, but if she does leave you or you leave her, you’ll have to play it again to seek out another girl.

I still have a good decade left to lay beautiful women, but I fully understand that there will come a time I can no longer as easily do so, and that even if I do decide to settle with one in my early 40’s, I’ll have to hunt again when that relationship ends. I also understand that the girls I sleep with today may not be interested in me if I were to approach them ten years into the future. Enter sponsorships.

Men have to ask themselves if, upon older age, they will settle with a woman that matches their declining value (one who is lower quality than they could get when they were younger), or if they will create an agreement with a more attractive and younger girl to give him the guise of a relationship in exchange for paying her rent, buying her a car, and so on. I’ve heard of these relationships in Ukraine, and the most surprising thing is you can’t just go to a club with a stack of hundreds and throw it at a girl—you still need game in order to create such a sponsored relationship, because young girls looking for sponsors have their choice of many and will pick the one that she finds most agreeable to spend time with, even if she primarily wants his resources.

Since I’m a man (thank god), I at least have the option of sponsoring a golddigger. It’s not ideal, I’ll admit, but I’ll leave it on the table to revisit when the time comes. This suggests that if you’re a man, money is absolutely essential as you get older when the natural attraction you elicit declines, in addition to possessing the game you are hopefully working on right now. The only thing worse than an ugly old woman who used to be beautiful is a poor old man who used to be a player. When I was broke in my 20’s, I could still get laid with decent girls through my game and effort alone, but when I’m older, I will need resources as well. Money and game, it turns out, are requirements that guys like us must have to keep this party going possibly even into our 60’s, although we’ll have to work quite hard for it. There will be no free lunch.

Once the downswing comes for me, I will not be upset, for most men must go through this stage of life. Instead, I will explore other options to keep laying the women I want. I must always continually innovate my game and be prudent about stacking paper. In the worst case, if nothing else seems to work, there’s always Thailand.

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Rabbi Goldberg
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You might not want to brag about fucking a 17 year old. America has some bullshit law that if one of it’s citizens has sex with a woman under the age of 18 ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, he can be prosecuted for it. So considering the amount of enemies and man-hating bitches that hate you, it might not be too smart to brag about something that can get you arrested.

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That is, even if the local laws in the country have a minimum age lower than 18, the fascist American govt still claims it’s laws apply worldwide to it’s citizens.

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I don’t think the US has jurisdiction in those countries to do anything, I’m not doubting what you say is true. Our Gov’t will do anything to oppress it’s citizens no matter where they are in the world. But I’ve never heard of anything like that. Do you have any specific examples of cases like that being prosecuted?

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QUOTE: “Do you have any specific examples of cases like that being prosecuted?”

Give it time.

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I personally knew a white American guy who fucked a couple of underage girls in Cambodia, and he got put in jail in Cambodia AND was going to have to serve the jail sentence in an American jail too after he finished his Cambodian sentence. And this is even considering that Cambodia is a non-extradition country.

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then it looks like he broke the Cambodian law as well…… I would try to follow the low of the country I’m in. seems like he broke the Cambodia (15)

Also, some state in the US don’t have 18 as the cutoff. In some states it’s 16, some 17, even some lower. Now over the internet it’s different. Does 18 aply universally?

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How underage ?

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16 is the age of consent in Georgia , move to Atlanta and fuck away.

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I think that applies to prostitutes, and the limit is 16 otherwise, since that is the lowest within the USA.

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Point being, if you are going to fuck under 18 girls anywhere in the world, do not go around bragging about it unless you are looking to wind up in a jail both in the local country and back in America once they extradite you.

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There are a lot of states where the age of consent is 17 or 16

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Yes but if you cross state lines with the purpose of having sex with someone under 18 – EVEN IF it is perfectly legal in the state you travel to – you can be brought up on federal charges. Totally ridiculous but REALITY.

Many guys have been set up in sting operations and prosecuted for exactly that. Google about it if you don’t believe it.

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The age of consent in many US States is 16. http://www.age-of-consent.info/

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Does not matter. Apparently, the “international age of consent for US citizens is 18”. I knew an American guy in Cambodia who got arrested over this.

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This is so ridiculous- what Toosh does abroad is not team Murcia- global police states business.

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How much money/month or net worth would you need to be running provider game on 18-22yo girls in the Ukraine or other Eastern Europe locations???

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I agree but our out of control feral government can and will prosecute crimes committed in foreign countries in US courts in the US. Even if the “crime” was not a crime in the host country.

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If you are a pro-Soviet you would properly refer to Ukraine as “the ukraine”. If you are Ukrainian or otherwise recognize Ukraine as its own country which broke from the former (and possibly future) Soviet Union, you’d call it Ukraine.

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Ironic that a “Rabbi” would be warning us of pedophilia / underage sex!!! Too funny. His tribe has been sticking it to infants for hundreds of years. Literally. And w/ much glee. Oy vey, for sure.

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“Bullshit law?” You mean little girls tickle your fancy?

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Are you saying that 43 for men is the peak? Or the wall?
My personal opinion is that 25 for women is the peak, with 35 as the wall, and 33ish for men is the peak, with 43ish as the wall, so to speak. I think a young woman (22-25) might still find a high status, in shape man in his mid forties attractive, but her willingness to seriously consider being with him long-term greatly diminishes. Maybe said 45 year old man doesn’t mind that fact haha, but it still remains true, based on what I have seen. Similarly, a very pretty and physically fit woman in her mid to late 30’s might still garner the attraction of various men for short term dating but not so much for long term dating unless the man himself is considerably older. Just my thoughts, but I do think it is important to distinguish “peak” from “wall.”

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For white women the wall may come as early as 25 and generally at 29. For latin and mediterranean women it may be 35. For asiatic women…well it is irrelevant as they have no soul anyway.

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For white women, their peak attractive years is between 12 to 17. After 18, it’s all downhill from there.

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you chose the right moniker anyways

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Mileage will vary for different people. From what I see here in America, most guys are fat slobs by 43. Hell, many guys have beer guts by their mid 30’s. It’s funny how finding a mate leads to a person giving up on their physical appearance, and turning into a pile of dough. I think 43 is being generous, unless you are serious about taking care of your body throughout your 20’s, and 30’s.
This of course leads to the question of endgame. Should you cash out in your mid 30’s and likely end up back single in your late 40’s, or stay a bachelor till you tank and then what?

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Men’s maximum SMV is a posibility, given an mount of work, experience and investment you can put into oneself. You may hit your peak or you may be a divorced fat beta loser at 36-43, it all depends on you choices.

Women’s maximum SMV is a certainty, as they will physically peak at 17-24, barring disease or genetic defect. Hard work may only delay, but never augment, their SMV decline.

For men after 45, I agree that money is paramount, and no amount of Game or experience will help you. I know guys in their 50s dating 32-38 women, and in their 60-70s dating 35-42 women, but not one of them is broke and actually have lots of disposable income and no debts or alimony.

“stay a bachelor till you tank and then what?” You will die, like everybody else. But you will have lived a (hopefully) full and interesting life, instead of remaining a blue-pill beta forever.

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“I know guys in their 50s dating 32-38 women, and in their 60-70s dating 35-42 women”

You can date much younger than that if you have money and as roosh said, if you don’t you can still move to south-east asia.

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wat bothers me about the SE asia bit is it reminds of those fat cows who they documented going to cuba to fuck rastamen. It seems rather desparate and incongruous. Now on the other hand, compared to fucking feminist bitches in the western world it’s like gold i spose.

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Women want they best man they can get to commit, those who are the ugliest can’t get any man and settle for quick paid fucks in a poor country.

Redpill men can get better women than other men but they may go to SEA to enjoy women 40 years younger than them instead. Value-wise, it’s a totally different process.

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I’m in my 40’s and still do well since Latinas don’t mind dating older men. Now when I’m 60 then I can always date Filipinas. Hobbies and wealth are more important to me now as an older man and my sex drive is not as strong as when I was in my 20’s so it’s no big deal.

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So while obviously a man can peak at any age for a variety of reasons, as a generalization there is too much rosy-eyed optimism in the manosphere about peaking that late, especially in the U.S.

Actually, I have no idea about the international sexual market. 43 very well may be the peak.

But in the US, especially the major cities where the hot girls are, it is extremely uncommon for a prime girl (under 24), to date or fuck a guy over 30. It just is. 30 is some kind of cutoff for the prime.

When a girl starts to decline but isn’t at the wall yet, say between 25 and 32, she is far more open to large age gaps. If you want to feast on these women in your forties you can.

But for fucking PRIME (white) women, in the U.S., the male peak is definitely not above 35, and probably not above 30 either.

Latinas and asians are more open to large age gaps, in my experience and that of my friends.

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How old are you?

The only way to really know is go out and do it.

I say culture of the women in the area your running game is critical. You can get fine women 15 years younger if you are in the Ukraine, you can pick up total strangers in big US cities, but small town USA loves the cheesy social clicks-so it varies everywhere IMO.

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“But in the US”

I don’t live in the US, and I recommend men follow my example.

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Lol- you are the bomb dude!

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I get that. As I said, I will take your word that the situation abroad is different.

However, U.S. men who will not be willing to uproot themselves for whatever reason should have reasonable expectations.

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“However, U.S. men who will not be willing to uproot themselves for whatever reason should have reasonable expectations.”

And their expectation should be that they will never get a girl that matches their objective value, and the lower quality girl they do get will take incredible labor to lay (in terms of approaching, dating, etc), and he will be lucky if the relationship that develops lasts more than a couple months.

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Maybe because I’m not American and am of Eastern European descent, so I’m looking at this from the outside, but American men don’t seem to be any better than American women. Kudos to men who think they can rise above and go to better pastures, but did you really think you could escape the same conditioning that American women received? If you don’t have money and go to Europe to find a wife, good luck with that. Going to Eastern Europe really only works if you want something short term, since you can appeal to the novelty of hooking up with a foreigner, but not much more than that.

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Yeah, novelty and the fact that American men have money, stability, and careers.

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Anyone in a developed country can have money, stability and careers. Success isn’t a purely American trait.

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it’s certainly not common in Eastern Europe and most of the world. So men with those traits are still prizes on the global market.

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eastern europe has had tremendous economic growth, and your broke american ass will pale by the wealth here. i myself am a slovak (supposedly eastern european) woman laughing hard at the naivete of americans and westerners who travel here for pussy, totally underestimating the local men who are well-educated, well-travelled, and having their own thriving businesses. we slavic girls are gold and we are def not waiting for you guys to come and save us lmfao. we do not like to mix, especially not with over 40 y.o. medicated, flouridated, gluttenous and gmo- steak eating americans or broke ass westerners. good luck with impressing slavic women with your pathetic american college degree and your stable corporate job lmfao. i urge you to start with a healthy waist- and hair line, start drinking clean water, study about your ridiculous us history and the war crimes thereof, and try to lay a woman of the same pathetic background.

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I live in Poland and agree with Jack that for prime women you have to be below 30. Girls in early 20s, pretty or not, usually date guys not more than 5-7 years older. I am 34 but look around 29 and on many occasions our dating ended once they found out I’m 10 or more years older and often they clearly stated this reason. This problem might not apply to Roosh, because of the foreigner effect, so girls are just curious regardless of his age, but as Roosh posted earlier, it’s not easy to enter mini-relationships with these women; his age could one of the reasons.

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Why are you shouting that you’re 34? If they think you’re 29 why are you interrupting their little fantasy

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lol.

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I’m 36 and dating probably the hottest most well rounded chick I’ve landed in my lifetime. She is 27, 5-6, 117 lb blonde who loves to bang and is about to make 200k as a lawyer (yea, I know lawyers suck, but whatever).
I have to say that mid 30s is probably the peak. I have the resources to distinguish myself from the 20 year olds but the youth to distinguish myself from the 40 year olds who have similar resources. I’m so happy I didn’t hang it up in my late 20’s with the rest of the stupid masses. The only thing I notice right now is that my libido is not what it use to be and I cant’ recover from nights out like I use to so the 20 year old girls get a little restless when I want to stay home and make dinner and bang – they want to go out on the town.

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I’m in a similar situation as you and can echo your sentiments. Dating a 25-year-old EE chick, purely feminine, loves me unconditionally, loves to pleasure me and look good for me. She’s no lawyer though, I couldn’t handle that long-term. I’m probably going to hang up the reins as I don’t think I could find someone with her feminine charms, looks, and youth.
I wouldn’t have been able to snag this chick even three years ago. It took the culmination of better game plus a mid-30s mentality to grab her.
I also am feeling less horny and have less energy even versus three years ago (I’m 35). I’m going to an endocrinologist this week to get my thryoid and testosterone levels checked. Worst case I’ll begin HRT. Maybe you should have a doc check your hormone levels?

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Perhaps getting old means being indifferent to sex as you were when you were a child. It must be a relief that testosterone no longer dictates most of your behavior

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QUOTE: “It must be a relief that testosterone no longer dictates most of your behavior”

A good friend of mine was quite the gash monger up until he had his heart attack at age 60. I’m much younger than him and i had expressed my concern that in my 40’s my libido was dropping a bit. It was good for my age, but simply wasn’t like I was at age 22. He obviously had a higher libido, but he also told me that it was a pain in the ass to constantly having to chase after a piece of cunt ever other day just for relief, and this lasted for him up to age 60.

The nice thing about a diminished libido is that we are now equally matched with women. Women even in their prime do not seek the level of sex men do. Even Esther Vilar stated this in Manipulated Man. So at least we are more in control of our bodily desires, and therefore cannot be manipulated so easily by some trollop waving her tata’s in our faces. That is in fact, a sense of freedom.

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To some extent it is. When I hit 30, the “urgency” faded away. At about 45 the “need” started to fade.

Don’t get me wrong – I still LIKE sex, but it’s now in the category of other physical activities I find “fun.”

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Having looked at a number of pictures of RooshV I must confess that as a 24 year good looking woman I would never find him attractive, let alone have sex with him. I don’t care what his game is, there is a certain feminine glow about him.

Maybe he’ll look better when he actually peaks at 53 but will he be able to get it up? I doubt it as men that have frequent ejaculation lose their chi prematurely. I’d say he’ll peak at 45.

But I’m sure there are plenty of silly cows out there that will be fooled by his game, because it is just acting anyway. I just feel for the 17 year girl. She was/is fucked literally and figuratively.

Otherwise, as a woman, I support the core idea behind this site and the manosphere in general. Only don’t think that this guy will teach you game. Only a woman can teach you real game. Drink from the source, cut the middleman.

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That is why it’s called the Game. Achieving your objective by any legal means necessary (i.e. by honesty and/or deceit).

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So all men are here just betas faking alphaness (pick-up artists). Right?
And you guys complain that women fake orgasm.

I need a real man. I came hoping to find one. Rather disappointed with the host.

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Why do women fake orgasms? Because they think men care.

That’s a joke, btw.

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Good joke but funnily enough, men do seem to care.

A real men can give me an orgasm by just being close to me whereas with others it takes 1000 strokes … at least! Haha

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dont u listen, round here nobody cares if a woman gets off?

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But men are judged on their ability to give things to women (as well as orgasm), no?

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doesnt really matter wat women think as they being hoodwinked into bed. who has the time to don Juan them in this society?

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I guess you havent grown up yet, consider the male rock star boinkin his adoring female and male fans, that’s actually less honest than you last bf gamin his his way to your hole. havent you read the streetcar named desire?

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Only Betas complain about women faking it, because they’re the only type of guys they fake it with.

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Beta and alpha is an abstract distinction-its theory.

You came here to talk shit to men and be a feminazi troll.

In all likelihood, your’e some Women studies, Frappucino sipping, LL Bean wearing commie in her mid 40s. Upload a current picture and prove us wrong since your’e “24 and hot”. i could give 3 shits either way but, I know you lack the moxie to upload a personal pic.

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as a 24 year good looking woman I would never find him attractive, let alone have sex with him. I don’t care what his game is

Said every girl who’s ever had Game successfully get her into bed.

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tldr entirely, but you seem to envy “silly cows”

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The first thing I tell any guy is to never listen to what a woman says. Look at what she does. What a woman says is a product of her logical mind. What she does is a product of her emotions.

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“Only a woman can teach you real game. ”

You’ve got to be kidding me.

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How are you gonna figure out the women when you listen to another man? He’s just guessing and shooting in the dark.

He could only be successful in EE because people there are in awe with american people in general due to the previous isolation behind the curtain. They are curious to see themselves through the eyes of a westerner.

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You are such a dumb c***….

Never listen to a woman for any advices, including sex, relationships, money, anything whatsoever…

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When you want to go deer-hunting,
you do not ask the deer for advice.
You ask the hunter.

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i love it!

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Don’t waste your time responding, Diana is either a troll or completely clueless.

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Wow take game advice from women ? lol, wow just wow. What do you know about game ? You never have to use it yourself..

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Diana, women themselves will never be a source in this matter. Women are, pretty much by definition, irrational beings. In plain terms what they say they like is not really what they like. For ages women have said that they want good, warm, caring and polite men, but who do they end up having sex with? Douches that are not even attractive, but have a lot of natural or made game. It’s only when they approach 30-35 (depending on culture, 35 here in Chile) that they start looking actively for a decent guy.

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“This suggests that there is definitely a peak for men, and while there is some argument about the exact age, consensus among men I’ve talked to suggests it’s around 43.”

The most desirable girls are between 16-23. Online dating sites, these girls all say they want a guy at least under 30. Also I have never met a girl in that age bracket who is dating a guy in their 30’s, much less 40’s. I’m sure some rich guys have such arrangements but otherwise it’s rare.

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There is also a difference between your real age and apparent age. If you can look younger than you really are then that can help a lot. I know a guy that’s 42 but if you look at him you won’t think he is older than 32.

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Boys, here’s the flaw of your game.

The more that a man gives to a woman, the less he has himself. In a sense, he gives his Alpha qualities to the woman and in doing so he becomes more Beta. Slowly on, his Beta qualities will overcome his Alpha qualities and the woman will find him less desirable compared to other males out there who haven’t had the Alpha sucked out of them yet.

There is no greater gift to a woman that spilling your seeds on her. It’s an act of total surrender. No wonder the Taoist preach sperm preservation and no wonder your guru Roosh looks so beta to me.

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i dont really matter much bout Tao, babe, I just like jerkin off in their faces

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I gathered that – pick up and jerk off artists.
No offense, guys, I’m just to figure you out.

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If you were really attractive and 24 you would not be wasting time on this site. You would be with a man, partying , or some other banal female shit.

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I tld her to upload pics-not happening-call clowns out on there shit game.

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Roosh isnt beta-hes tall like me, muscular, and doesnt take any shit from clowns and commies like you. You are a commie troll.

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I bet you haven’t been pumped & dumped by somebody’s guru by now but I’m sure that although you have 24 look like 17.

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QUOTE: “Once the downswing comes for me, I will not be upset, for most men must go through this stage of life”

Dare I even say all men go through this stage in life. Time pretty much does it. Even Sean Connery whose sex appeal has gone up as he got older is now probably done with in terms of getting young tail.

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A timely article and a subject that needs discussion. One can hang up their guns at 35-40 and marry, but it is almost a sure thing that 7 or 20 years down the pike she’ll bail. This means that you could be back in the game at 42-47 or 55-60, the key is in how you choose to play it. I hung up my guns at 34 and it happened to me at 56, after 22 years of marriage.

It was obvious my old game was a non-starter, I wasn’t in my 30’s anymore, so I based my new game on the “Most interesting Man in the World” guy. I do what I want, when I want, and if someone wants to come along for the ride fine….If they don’t, I don’t care. It seems to work, I don’t attract much attention from women in their 20’s, but women in their 30’s are intrigued and as a guy of now 59 it suits me fine.

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At that age, I’d just pay for play overseas or just be predator who hunts bored married women.

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There is something of interest here. My friend who is 80lbs overweight, married, wealthy, and not even looking for it gets tons of good looking 35-45 married women. While these ho’s are older than most men desire these are rich housewives that have personal trainers and are in typically good shape and want nothing more than a fuck. The bitches buy him nice gifts which he gives to me to avoid getting caught.

If a man targeted this group in a wealthy area he could do quite well. I think it will take either the appearance of wealth or really good looks/body but it is there.

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Married women are too much of a hassle and more trouble than they’re worth. It’s bad karma too-‘imagine you’re at work and some dud was banging your wife- not fun.

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Good post.

I hung up my weapons at 28 and had to break them back out at 39 and the world had drastically changed in that time for me.

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Forget Thailand-if you are an older man who is 45+ goto the Philippines. Its a country of 170 million packed into an area the size of Arizona and it will always be poor. Thailand is modernizing very quickly and the women are starting to demand men in their own age range, primarily because there are too many sex deprived English teachers willing to slave away for $1000 USD per month flooding the dating market. Its still commonplace to see 20 something Filipinas dating men old enough to be their grandfathers and it is unlikely to change anytime soon.

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Due to demographics and economy, Thailand will inevitably decline for both dating and whore-mongering within the 5-15 year timeframe. The bar (prostitution) scene has already entered terminal downward spin… However, the dating scene with regular Thai girls is better than ever. Easier to meet, and there’s far less stigma about dating a foreigner than before.

I wouldn’t count on Thailand as a sex retirement destination, unless you’re very close to retiring.

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The scene will move to other nearby countries. Cambodia, Laos, and (eventually) Myanmar.

20 years from now though globalisation is likely to raise the GDP of those countries and mass media will eventually infect them with western culture.

A similar thing happened in Poland when it joined the EU and was overrun by spanish and italian love tourists. Nothing lasts forever

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*99 million – sorry for the inaccuracy.

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One word: Thailand.

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Things are changing quickly in Thailand, the pickings are still good, but don’t count on that several years down the line.

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Eh, with the protests and political instability, we may have longer.

I hope Thailand doesn’t get so modernized.

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I’d say that most women in the States hit the wall before 35–by 30, in fact, most seem pretty beat. I’m about the same age as Roosh, 33 to his 34; and though I too still nail hot college-age girls, by our age you have to do so via day and night game (for the most part), when you can lie about your age, for example, or when game and looks just make it irrelevant: if you are doing Tinder or OKC or whatever, many young hotties will see our age and think we are too old for them, though the same women may be receptive to day and night game. Not that there aren’t also lots of hotties online who are into guys around 33-34.

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I would say that I peaked in my mid-30’s to early-40’s – but now in my mid-50’s I probably have sex with women that are a lot hotter. That has nothing to do with me, so much as being in control of my environment, and being able to set up various events to my benefit. As you get older, you pull from a larger play-book and can more easily manipulate women to do what you want as you understand them better than they understand themselves. So that hot little 18 yo doesn’t know why she is attracted to you, but you do. And you can enhance and fan that fire – as long as you can control your environment.

I tend to see men as moving from their barbarian stage (teens-30’s) and into their early civilized stage (30-40’s) and finally into their mature civilization stage (50+) where you not only influence your environment, you actively control it to your benefit. So when you are in your 30’s you may go to that club and see what you can get, but when you are 50 – you have moved beyond chance, and actively control the women who come to you, by controlling your environment.

Knowledge is power – and when it comes to women, that is what any man uses to get them. The more knowledge you have about your prey – the more power you have over them. 🙂 You can never change the nature of your prey – but once you understand it, you can manipulate them to do what you want, when you want, and to the extent that you want. And really – isn’t that all you need?

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You should write a book or some articles on a free wordpress blog to show younger guys how to think and adapt like a older man. Show us some ideas from your playbook.

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Just Saying; ” but once you understand it, you can manipulate them to do what you want, when you want, and to..”

I do not mean to put you or anyone on the defensive, but you sound like one of those posters one would encounter on the forums at the now defunct fastseduction site. All bs smoke and mirrors. I think Roosh is more accurate in his assessment of when the average man simply does not have the same attraction that he had when he was in his twenties. The older the man, the more tangible resources he needs to dispense with in order to maintain the same level of piece of ass he was getting when he was younger without resorting to money, drugs or prentending to be an entertainment industry mogul.

That said, I think if Jim Morrison had lived he would have long lost his status ( had he lived and left The Doors) and at around the 45ish year age marker he would have to start dishing out resources to get the same poon that he was getting when he was in his prime.

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I’m glad to see someone has the complete picture, no pun intended, artist.

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If thats really the case and nothing else is deeper than that-
Why don’t men who are old just pay a 9 or 10 here and there to get off?

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Quote: ” If thats really the case and nothing else is deeper than that-
Why don’t men who are old just pay a 9 or 10 here and there to get off?”

It does happen, but no man goes around and blabs about it. That is all the private matters between two consulting adults.

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No fear. I regularly meet guys in their 40s – 60s who fuck hot younger women.

Cedric
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Are they all millionaires in SoCal with Ferraris?

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Not at all.

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Stacking paper! Yes.

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Jesus how thirsty the lot of you are.
All it took was one trolling comment from some heffer and every inadequate simp just grabbed the bait. smh

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You can always bang a 19 year old girl, even if you are 70.

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If you got enough cash

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After witnessing many game vs money fights, your post sums it up pretty well, game alone and you’re done at 50-55, money alone only gets you played.

It must be horrible to be high-value for a while, to then lose it as we age. As you said, we should be glad that as men, we have an alternative.

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Well I am 43 so its funny you should mention that age.

One thing that deserves a mention is the importance of a man’s ability to become skilful at entering what I call ULTRAs. Unfenced Long Term RelAtionships.

In other words, relationships that last for many years and are not based on sexual exclusivity.

Once you have dozens of them going concurrently you don’t face the problem that you describe.

Sure you occasionally lose one relationship if she gets into a fenced relationship with someone else and does not want to cheat but as long as your rate of adding new relationships > the rate at which you lose relationships then your list of ULTRAs only expands and can never shrink.

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Roosh (or anyone else that can advise),

What do you suggest for a man that had his best years (age 28-39) stolen from him i.e. marriage, divorce, divorce induced financial hardship?

Due to all the things I listed above I MUST find a way to be active throughout my 40’s and beyond. I will never have the money to impress either. I’m a working class guy that won’t change in my profession.

I think a guy over 40 without money is best served by improving his physical condition. Am I wrong here? I figure at this age without big money a man’s body will be his best bet to keep attracting younger women.

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Save money and go to the Philipines and get a younger woman, bring her back, keep her cooking, cleaning, and doing her role in the house. Google Henry Makow “A Long Way To GO For A Date”-his story as a 3x divorced 50yo dude, tired of Western white women and their court bs, imports some FIlipino poon.

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Unless he wants kids, why would he bring her back at all?

He needs to develop some income stream there, sell everything he has, work for a while, get a nest egg paying an income stream. Even if small by western standards, it will go further there, and can supplement with other jobs there.

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Cedric: “Save money and go to the Philipines and get a younger woman, bring her back,”

DO NOT bring her back! Fuck….

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Is there something happening to the manosphere?

I am very new to the ‘sphere (5 months) but the knowledge I have taken in and applied is invaluable.

Game is not new to me, but red pill concepts are. They are an articulation of what I would experience as a young man but could not quite describe to myself or friends.

With the coming of MatingGrounds and the resigning of bloggers like the dude from Danger&Play, is there going to be some kind of shift or take-over?

I love this site and others like it (not too many).

Its raw and real and no bullshit, as far as I can tell.

The number of blogs has gone up and continues to rise and the quality of the articles has gone down.

I am glad I got into reading works from Roissy, Roosh, ROK, Rollo, D&P, NexxtLevelUp, B&D, and a few more when I did, because now I know which blogs to hold onto and which ones to ditch when the manosphere inevitably pops. -dcl

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I’m 47 and you are right- things get tougher. I’ve never married or had children and am much happier for it. It’s all about eating right, drinking lots of water, sleeping 8 hours a night and hitting the gym 4 days a week. What you will find out when you are my age is that you can still get girls up to 15 years younger… which is not bad. Recently went out with a 25 year old- she was “very” entertaining… but the most you can hope for are 7s in their 20’s- unless you pay to play. Which I refuse to do! Another weird thing happens- you begin longing for a well preserved woman no more than 5 years younger… so you don’t have to explain older movies and musical tastes. You really crave commonality- as boring as that may sound, it begins to matter. Live it up Sir- without you and the 16 Commandments of Poon- I would not be able to pull what I still do.

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DSW-ESQ- I agree with you. Eating right (Paleo,no sugar and very little starch) hitting the gym and the 16 commandments will extend your looks, your life and game way past it’s due date. In my case I’m now 55. The red pill changed every aspect of my life: looks, attitude hell even smell. The flip side is I’ve become an outlier. My viewpoints, actions and results are so outside the ordinary I could very well be a vampire…undead and stalking the earth. In fact the vampire metaphor is quite apt. I disdain the meat puppets surrounding me, I enjoy young blood and I possess knowledge denied to fools. The downside is all that was familiar to me has been consigned to the dust bin.

Joseph Campbell in his book “Hero with a Thousand Faces” explains the hero’s journey. A man leaves the comfort of his tribe and moves to a supernatural world full of adventure and wonder. There, after many trials and tribulations a decisive battle is won: the hero returns home with new tales for the campfire and new powers to share with the tribe. My hero’s journey follows the same trajectory except when I returned to my tribal homeland I find my people have been wiped out by a malevolent force… that’s how I currently feel.

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Paleo is old news. Primal is the thing to do now.

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Paleo works…it requires that unfashionable human trait called discipline. Look at the physiques of the primal bloggers, with the exception of Mark Sisson that realm is populated by armchair quarterbacks…sound familiar?

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Primal and Paleo are similar last time I checked. The only big difference I’m aware of is that the Primal community makes a bigger deal out of the food being local-grown and/or organic.

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They also make a bigger deal out of saturated fats.

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Paleo, Primal or whatever are just bullshit terms smart Marketers have gotten out of their asses in order to package into a product and make money.

There are no secrets – Eat regularly + Exercise.

The end.

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Valizadeh, Roosh

Man gold diggers are usually not smart enough to screw a man with a ton of money unless he is a total chump.

I’m to lazy to write it up but for you guys who want to protect your assets from all forms of turds (23yo blondes included)
Check out-
Mark Nestmann
Pt Shamrock
Eden Press
Sovereign Society
Bob Bauman

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The big question, boys, is ARE WOMEN WORTH ALL THIS HASSLE?

If I was a man I would never give my chi (alphaness) voluntarily to a woman unless she is prepared to pay a hefty price.

We women feel totally lost and empty without a man (although we would never admit) but I would never fall for the game that you lot here try to play, including your main man – rushkoV.

My man has to be totally self-contained and confident. I should make the first move, not him, I should beg for his attention, not vice versa. My man must be my God. I worship him.

Whereas what you guys do is travel miles and miles just to smell pussy. On top of that, you lose your semen to a totally random bitch. This is so weak, it’s revolting. I don’t know how you dare call yourself men, let alone alpha men.

And yes, all the bitching below my posts show how thirsty for a pussy you really are.

So let me tell you boys, unless you meet a gal like me, women are totally not worth this silly boys game you play. And remember to meet a gal like me you must grow up first. You can not fake it all your life and expect to become Gods.

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I feel your pain. I absolutely cannot and will not bang women I’m not physically attracted to. I believe this is due to the massive amount of porn that I had consumed early on – my threshold point for arousal for women was elevated due to viewing so many attractive women in high quality porn. In the real world, I’m not attracted to 95% of the American women out there. I actually thought I was gay at one time, but no, these women are just unattractive to me and don’t pass my boner test. This has made it harder since I’m more selective. But I just cannot ever find myself balls deep up in some disgusting land whale who thinks she’s a princess just to get a notch. A lot of guys starting out game will approach and try and bang girls they aren’t necessarily attracted to just to get the experience under their belt and notches.

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SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.
SHUT..THE…FUCK..UP !!

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Is it possible to archive (some of) the wisdom generated at RV, RVF and ROK so it is certain to be available when we hit 43??? Or when younger guys come up?

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you have to take into account that if you do settle with a woman for some period of time, even a year is enough, you will gradually lose game skills… so if you settle at 43 and wind up single at 52, your game will be pretty terrible…..

you also might have to consider that at 40+ you might not find the company of sub 30 year old women very interesting or stimulating (beyond sex), and thus, you are frankly better off in some cash for pussy scenario.

all scenarios are basically cash for pussy, since ‘game’ involves demonstrating a high value and thus in her mind, she’s sleeping with you on the basis of some future interaction with you bringing value to her life.

when you are young you can pull that off while providing zero actual value, but as you get older and / or can’t be bothered with the constant chase, you will find it easier and simpler to focus on a professional pursuit, make loads of money and spread that around for pussy.

the advantage of this is that you can firewall the female head games, since the transactional nature of the relationship is more clearly defined.

this can also be done to some degree at 40-45-50-55, by providing benefits to a 20-25 year old girl, HOWEVER one of the benefits almost every single woman wants is children!!!

Children leave you in a zero sum game with her as the benefactor and you getting little more than dirty nappies in return. It takes 5-6 years for children to be reasonable fun for the father. It costs a shitload of money, AND puts the woman out of action, being busy (and dog tired) as a mother.

PLUS: unless you have the cash to hire a full time nanny and housekeeper…. you will wind up playing that role to some extent when mommie is exhausted.

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Some advice for the Manosphere from the older set:

‘The Curmudgeon’s Guide to Getting Ahead: Dos and Don’ts of Right Behavior, Tough Thinking, Clear Writing, and Living a Good Life’

http://www.amazon.com/Curmudgeons-Guide-Getting-Ahead-Behavior/dp/0804141444/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1397594616&sr=1-1

I’d be interested in Roosh’s take on this,

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I believe the general peak to be around 38, but great results can be achieved well into your 40s. I am 68 and started very young, a few days after my 13th birthday with a younger girl. Since then I have been blessed with excellent quality and volume. I understood in my teens that if you want the most attractive women you must go where they are. Mostly that rules out Golf, Tennis and Football. So, I pursued dance and movement. Contact Improvisation, Jazz, Ballet, Salsa. For two decades in my peak years I was often the only hetero guy in a class of 30 women and it was pushing on an open door. A warm ( sometimes hot) game as opposed to a cold game. Since I was 50 I became dedicated to Tango. Fortunately, age is an asset for guys with much younger women.
Roosh in his mid 30s seems disillusioned with his cold game and acknowledges rejection and has given up on the night game, which I fully understand as a total loss. Trolling supermarkets and the streets after work must be draining as well.

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I’ve found that Tennis is very popular with the older hotties and cougars.

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You guys are so worried about the years passing. If you got what it takes to be a player and you’re getting laid, especially if you’re not good looking (e.g. roosh), you’ll find your way at a later stage too.

Most 20-30yo hardly get laid, let alone with hotties. Unless they’re good looking and even that doesn’t help most times without an ounce of game.

So you’re all like “oh i won’t have options when i’m 50” but hey dude, you’re hardly getting laid now when you’re 20 either.

Once again, if you got what it takes to play the game, you’ll find your way when you’re 50+ as well.

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I want to become a better writer. How do I start?

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Write a lot.

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This blog is absolutely hilarious. You want to talk about being rejected by women,try being a metal head. Most women do not enjoy listening to Slayer or are impressed with your 50 metal-T’s or 1,000 metal CD collection. On top of this, I also collect G.I Joes and I like comic books. I will say that listening to all that hardcore thrash/death metal definitely made me an Alpha. In fact, I think heavy metal is the ultimate masculine music. The mere fact that most women hate it enjoys me immensely.

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Best post on here. Women have nothing in common with death metal (especially from the early 90s), which was almost purely talented, masculine and intelligent men. Surprised it’s never been mentioned around here, but most of the guys here are still blue pill betas so I’m not surprised.

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Listening to Metal, collection GI Joes and being rejected by women make you an alpha? This is hilarious (and freaking wierd).

What makes one alpha is being successful at something; getting pussy, making money, power. Collecting music is just a hobby.

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Lol thats not true at all. I’ve met plenty of metalheads and most of them are far from being alpha. Especially death metal culture seems to attract mostly introverted beta guys and similar cast-out types. As for that collector thing, in the eyes of most girls it’s essentially the same thing as if you were hoarding Warhammer figurines. Nerdy, beta and definitely not something to be considered a DHV

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Probably in 20 years the economics of Thailand will make it a more inflated place, like LatAm has become, so even that isn’t a guaranteed failsafe.

The only way to face long-term entropy is to embrace long-term chaos.

I learned a lot about end-game from an old friend, he’s like 68 now, laid over 200 chicks, mostly in Morocco but that was just the heyday, his peak was mid-30s but even now he just targets 45-55 y/o women. Ultimately you die alone no matter how much money or notches you accumulate, and he’s just happy to see his kids go on and to contemplate the mountain with zen apropos.

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As for older men, Pussy Galore found a rich man rightly named Goldfinger.

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I’m 33. Lost my virginity at 25 – to a hooker.
Then had a ‘relationship’ for 3 years with a Russo woman older than me f(by around 4 yrs) which was more like a pay 4 pleasure kinda arrangement (even though she wasn’t a hoe). During that period, slept around with P4P with other women too – in total around 25 chicks. Relationship broke up then after she found a richer dude, 4 years now and have I not been laid. Problem is I find Russo chicks around me all the time who won’t sleep unless there is the P4P arrangement. In all those 25 chicks I had, only one so far I had was someone I didn’t technically go for a P4P, but she made me pay her rent later. I am not genetically blessed with good looks, though I do get chicks talking to me. This dry spell of 4 years has made me depressed, because I don’t want to P4P anymore, as I see a lot of guys doing that to get poon. I wonder whether I’ll ever get laid so I’m thinking to go in for marriage. I do like red pill, but I think some guys are just more blessed and lucky.I just can’t close the deal till I pay. If I choose to stay single, when do you think I will sexually peak? Never perhaps?

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Lolled at ‘There’s always Thailand’.

Well, it would probably not be a proble for you, but ask the thousands of men who lost their life savings to some bar skank in Thailand how they feel about that.

I suspect that Thailand won’t be an attractive destination for single bachelors in 15 years. Living standards are rising rapidly and the Thais are fed up with foreigners in general except for their money.

I think a better choice is going to be China or Indonesia by then. Considering that an unmarried woman over 25 years in China is considered damaged goods, there will be millions of educated chinese women single in their early thirties and chinese women stay slim and very bangable well into their 40s.

Indonesia is growing economically and they are muslims, although mostly only culturally, which means there is some anti-slut control going on.

An offtopic post to some degree, but just saying, I wouldn’t have Thailand as my backup plan in 20 years. Besides, both chinese, filipina and indo chicks are more attractive than thai girls.

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forever an arsehole roosh, youre 34, o something with your life

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Ok Roosh….so 43 is the peak or wall or whatever…as I am 43 now. But, what if you’re 43 and look much more ‘boyish’….as I could pass for 36 or so. So, I can lie to women that I’m 36 or 37 and therefore not be at any wall……Can this…lying about your age if you look younger…be one way to extend your peak/wall ?

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Any thoughts on balding being a factor? I am 32 and balding and am concerned about being able to attract young women.

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I regularly get looks from women in their late teens to early 20s. I’m sure they have no idea my age which is 43. I look young as I have a swimmer/runner build with somewhat wide shoulders. I also keep my hair short and am mostly clean shaven. A lot probably think early 30 ish if asked. I’m optimistic because my apparent age is lower than real age. Also with exercise, vitamins, rest,…..sex! and some other things, I think I will maintain my youthful appearance and success with young women good into the future.

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This is very depressing. As someone that tasted the good life in a good dating environment and then had the next ten years wasted with scam or zealous sacrificing grad schools, I am at the point of just saying no and going back to what I like to do–but–I only have ten years as well…
There is more life to a guy than we think when we are 20; however, it catches up and overcomes…dastardly life, just when it becomes doable, a new problem arises one can’t solve.

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‘Any time you hang up your boots with a woman, you’re only delaying the next time you have to hunt for one, but that time will come again unless you are the lucky 0.1% who has the type of marriage our grandparents had. ‘

That sounds very pessimistic, even by the standards of this site. Yes some 50% of marriages end in divorce these days, but the other 50% still don’t. Nobody can swagger around laying women forever. In your 70s and 80s the most valuable thing in the world will still be a loving partner who will take care of you, and for this relationship to be mutual. My parents have been together nearly 30 years, and despite health concerns from road injuries to cancer, show no signs of their marriage breaking. Commitment does still exist, and marriage often still work in this day and age.

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Go to Colombia. A man in his 50’s can have women in their 20’s and 30’s. Latinos do not have the same age disparity stereotypes. I have several friends (60 something) who have successful relationships with women half their age.

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There is no peak. College girls are easy lays, so you might be inclined to think you’re a good player, on false grounds. I’m 54 and I don’t see any incentive in young girls. A 17-year-old? puhleeease! They’re air heads, have hard bodies and are inexperienced in really hot lovemaking. My age group is 35-50. The experience of older women between their ears and their legs is unmatched. Age with your women and you’ll enjoy a lifetime of pleasure. [Well, as long as the pills get you hard. :)]

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Age definitely will change the game but it’s hard to use it as the only gauge. We have all seen 25 year old men that look like 40 and 40 year olds that look like 25. With those unique circumstances aside age still does come into play.

Personally I am 49 but could pass for late 30’s to early 40’s. From ages 30-35 I could easily attract any girl from 20-50 with no hesitation on her part. Once I hit my late 30’s , 36-40 I started to notice a change. Even though I could still attract girls in there early to mid 20’s I had to do so on a different level. In my early 30’s I could simply walk into a club or bar, smile at a 23 year old and it was easy.

By the time I hit 36-40 a 23 year old would smile back but I could see the hesitation in her eyes. She would immediately talk to her friend to get her input on the situation. I would then have to walk over to them and do the work to put them at ease and win them over. I could still eventually get what I wanted but it was much more work and often not worth the effort.

In time I learned that I still had the power to get the girl without much effort but my target age had to go higher. Instead of the 23 year old I had to go for the 27-31 year olds. It worked out because at 38 other than looks a 23 year old girl is typically a huge turn off. No substance.

By the time I hit my early to mid 40’s not much had changed. Though the target age did move up it was only slightly. Girls from 29-35 were still very easy with no work involved. 29 is an interesting age for a woman. Even though they are still very young and in there 20’s they are very vulnerable because 30 is months away. So they feel old and become desperate.

Now at 49 I find myself right at 50’s door. I’ve now noticed 30 is my limit low. Below that they will not be interested without much work being involved. What this means is this. A 50 year old in a club is not going to attract the attention of a 23 year old girl no matter how good you look. The most you will get is a quick smile. But not all hope is lost. If you really have the desire to be with a 23 year old it is still very possible but it has to be on different terms. She will have to get to know you on a different level and in a different environment. If you think you are going to go out at night and have a 23 year old lusting after you across the bar you are in for a rude awaking.

As a side note, there are a growing number of 21-27 year old girls that are sick of young clueless guys and say they want a real man that is established. This would take a man of very high status and confidence but it’s definitely something that I have been seeing more and more.

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Nice dose of depressing reality for this 41 year old public school teacher/coach. I’ll inherit some $ someday, but not enough to sponser a girl and the life I want. Maybe time for a career change.

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When I found myself single again in my 40’s before remarrying I realized that there was a huge income / wealth gap between me and every single girl I was interested in. That was just a reality. Most women in their 20’s don’t make shit. A lot of men, particularly men who don’t have resources fool themselves thinking that men with assets always buy their pussy. My opinion is that being successful at what you do will always be attractive to women, the money is just a proxy for that.