Best Email I’ve Ever Received

From a girl in Canada..

So I gotta say….since I first emailed you, I’ve been perusing your blog. If you are in person anything like what you make yourself out to be on your page, you have become somewhat mythical to me.

I know no one in real life that actually has the attitude towards women and sex that you seem to. No one that actually lives and breathes as the seeming horndog Casanova that you come off as. To me, you are the movie character I watch but would never meet in my day to day. You are the mystery guy some whiny chick writes in to Cosmo to whine about. You are the rock star persona that every sad-ass frontman-wannabe loser on some ridiculous reality show wishes he was but will never, ever come close to.

But I have to wonder – could you possibly be all that and still be real?

Flattery will get this girl everywhere even if it would be a one night sex adventure to remember, but this wouldn’t work on girls. They are used to it to the tune of a million daily direct and indirect sex offerings, whether they are pretty or not.

I consider her email fun flirting and something I’d positively respond to, so why do American girls serve up this cocky banter bullshit to “flirt” with me and my friends? I don’t know, but one thing I learned a long time ago is if you keep doing something that doesn’t work, STOP DOING IT.

Here is another email I got from a girl.

The last time I wrote to you I told you that I was crazy about this guy, I was super super super nice to him and in return he didn’t treat me very well. I asked you what I should do and you said that I should leave him because he was just going to sleep with me once and then never talk to me again. Well, after 3 months of dating I did sleep with him (he was dating other women at the time, I wasn’t). This all happened last summer.

A few months later he fell in love with me and stopped dating other women, I was sooo happy. We’re so great together, always laughing and joking around-I’m a really easy going gal and I worked really hard to make him feel cared for/loved. I worked even harder to earn his trust and to let him know know I’d never hurt him. Anyways, we were together for 11 months and then I asked him if he’d ever marry me. He told me he doesnt believe in marriage and didn’t want it but that he did want me to move in with him.

Well, I’m a traditional kind of gal…I don’t believe in living with someone unless you’re married (plus my family is very traditional as well). So, I told him that if he doesn’t want what I want then we should go our seperate ways, because I do want to get married. It’s frustrating!!! Anyways, we’ve gone our seperate ways, which is sad because we were so great together.

But what’s a gal to do? I mean, I put in sooo much work just to keep him happy and in return I didn’t ask for much, but it didn’t work. I mean, shouldn’t he want to marry me just so he doesnt lose me? I told him that I’m going to start dating other men, I don’t care to date anyone else BUT I hoping that it gets a reaction out of him and if it doesnt then maybe I’ll meet a nice guy who does want to get married.

A part of me thinks that I should give in and just move in with him because it feels right and he and I were so happy together. BUT another part of me is scared…I think he might leave me because he doesn’t want to marry me (sometimes I think that he doesn’t even know what he wants or has no clue what he has) and then I think I’ll have wasted precious years trying to find a guy that does want to get married.

OK, that’s enough venting for now…

So what do you think, is this guy ever going to marry me or should I move on? Is there anything I could do to make him want to marry me?

My first instinct is to say it doesn’t matter what you do, he will not marry you. But I don’t think that is the advice she wants to hear.

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I would delete all these emails, go find a cute girl and get laid. Unless you actually know the person, who gives a damn?

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My advice to this poor girl:

No, he won’t marry you as long as you base your entire life and happiness around the status of your relationship with him, because he doesn’t have to. You are not going to date other men because he has you wrapped around his finger and he knows it, so telling him that is just going to annoy him. Here’s what’s gonna happen: you’re going to move in with him despite your family because you think one day he’ll change his mind about marrying you. He’s going to keep you around because he can, then meet someone else who challenges him and gives him hotter sex, move out of your Ikea-clad apartment and marry her within a year. You’ll find a therapist, get on prozac, and carry that story around as baggage until you’re 83 and single and still whining about it.

The only way to get yourself out of this situation is to move somewhere far away (Brazil) without him and practice having self-esteem and sexual confidence. On the 1% chance that he loves and misses you enough he’ll tell you this. If not, there are a million other fish in the sea, and hot half-naked Brazilian ones at that, and hopefully one day you’ll look back and laugh at the year of boring sex and self-pity you escaped by the skin of your teeth.

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Laura,

You don’t get it. I’ve been there with a male version of this girl, and let me tell you now, she will not accept any advice unless it conforms to what she already wants to hear. This is shown by the fact that she already disregarded Roosh’s advice once already and did the exact opposite, yet is coming back for more advice. You can give her all the logical reasoning in the world as to why she should move on, but she’ll just dismiss it until she gets advice that justifies her chasing after this guy. She’s basically not going to be happy with any advice that doesn’t lead to her being this guy’s human sperm receptacle.

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Honey, if you were a traditional girl, you would not have screwed a man with a girlfriend. No judgment, but stop lying to yourself about who you are. You self delusion has also lead you to think you will convince this man to marry you. Get your head out of your ass.

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Lemmonex – I can’t believe I’m defending this girl but…I don’t think she’s saying the guy had a girlfriend when she screwed him, just that he was dating other women. Basically, the guy came out and said up front that he wasn’t exclusinve and was dating multiple women openly, but she took the risk and slept with him anyway in hopes that her vagina would be so mindblowing that he’d get rid of all the other women he was dating and stick with her. So she wasn’t homewrecking by sleeping with a guy in an exclusive relationship, she was just playing with fire by dating an open player.

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wait, you think the first email is a compliment?
as a canadian, permit me to translate the polite email:
1. To me, you are the movie character I watch but would never meet in my day to day
you’re a fake and i would never even dream of wasting my time to voluntarily meet you in real life and confirm my hypothesis

2. You are the rock star persona that every sad-ass frontman-wannabe loser on some ridiculous reality show wishes he was but will never, ever come close to.
at best, you’re a personality that a has-been “celebrity” wishes he could act like so the network would book him for another episode because his house is about to be foreclosed and he’s behind child support payments.

3.But I have to wonder – could you possibly be all that and still be real?
despite your continuing efforts to convince me/your readership otherwise, i still don’t buy your blog persona. sure, it’s good for heading traffic to your website to entertain people and sell the occasional book, but nothing more.

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for the record, i’m not writing this to insult you or stroke your ego. i just thought i’d point out that you shouldn’t believe your own lies, like you seem to, since you’ve commercialized the blog.

that said, the way your choose to live your life is nobody’s business but your own – since you don’t have to justify your actions to anybody but yourself. it wouldn’t surprise me, though, to read that you’re heading off to tibet to find yourself.

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I am thinking its time to bring back First Date DC.

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VH,

If you knew about the rest of the e mail, trust me it WAS a compliment….

true story

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T, girlfriend might have been an incorrect word choice, I will give you that. Still though, when I think “traditional” sharing cock does not spring to mind. I just think she has an incorrect perspective on who she truly is; self awareness goes a long ways in this world.

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Lemmonex – Good point. Cock sharing isn’t traditional…unless she means like traditional as in waaaay back, like in prehistoric tribal times. Well, what we can agree on is that she’s stubborn.

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thats a definite ego booster of an email…or rather, a sign ur being the superstar u were meant to be…or maybe she’s just a fat nerdy dumbass that worships u and wishes she could get cockslaped. Haha either way, I’m sure you’ve already asked her to send pics?

And what’s with the marriage advise seeking chick!? Ur asking a player how to hold down a man that doesn’t want u? U might be “special” but ur gonna get old and ugly eventually. Its the truth…so maybe u should get married to a like minded “traditionalist”… or just be your own person and not give a fuck about what ur parents think. Move in with him and he might “fall” for u, then u can snatch his balls and he’ll be yours forever

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Oh, Honey…the answer is so simple..just do what millions of typical American girls do every single day…GET KNOCKED UP SO THAT HE WILL HAVE TO MARRY YOU! That way you get what you want and he will be yours (for a while), and he will be tied to you one way or another for the rest of his life! If things don’t work out after he is forced into marrying you, then you can always get divorced later after you lose the baby weight and find yourself a new man. You can get 1/2 of everything he owns plus child support from the first guy! Now go put on your hottest little outfit and whisper softly in his ear how you just really want to “feel” him without a condom tonight. Lucky guy!

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VH,

Why so bitter….take the lime out of your mouth, sounds like you got issues beyond repair. It’s hard to tell if you are a female, but considering the PMS type hate you must be…pucker up pumpkin face.

oh and …”for the record, i’m not writing this to insult you or stroke your ego”

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world wide player because of a blog… awesome

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This girl sounds like she cares more about being married than actually enjoying the relationship she has with this guy.

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You definitely summed it up in the last sentence. He’ll most likely never marry her. But she ignored your sound advice the first time, which means she’s probably going to do it again.

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So basically, you want women’s flirting to take the form of showering you with compliments. Unlikely.

Why is this so puzzling to you? Women bust your balls to see if you’ll fold. If they’re fawning over you, you’ll assume that you’ve got them wrapped around your finger and can therefore take them for granted — just like beautiful women write you off if you supplicate to them and buy you a drink or whatever. The difference is that men will sleep with women they take for granted — many prefer it, in fact — while women do not.

As for the second girl, she’s doomed. She’s either going to do exactly what this guy wants and move in with him — essentially giving herself Default Pussy status — or she’s going to not do it but obsess over it for the next two years. The scary thing is that she sounds desperate enough to do what another poster suggested and get herself knocked up. That’s why you never take a woman’s word on birth control.

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eugenius, i didn’t know that roosh needed you to defend him, but i’m sure he appreciates you standing up for him.

pardon my reasoning but it seems to me that someone who spends his time writing a website about “game” and can’t even conceive of someone wanting to fuck him voluntarily and of their own accord – without him having to dupe them into it with aforementioned “game” – has way more issues than a person such as myself, who occasionally finds sites like this one an excellent procrastination tool.

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Why is is that Arab guys are obsessed with doing it in the butt?

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I just wish vh didn’t use her (or his?) nationality as a justification for her interpretations. But, since being Canadian gives one a right to be a credible interpreter on this post. Here goes.
Let me attempt to translate vh’s comments from the complex Canadian english we use to equally complex American english.

“I am bitter that a smart and witty woman finds Roosh attractive and is selling out the traditional female solidarity of using monogamy to control men…eh”

For future rants, please leave my country out of it.

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Interesting to see your own email deconstructed (incorrectly) by others.

My email was meant neither as a compliment nor as a criticism (and CERTAINLY not fawning – my god, if you read that email as me throwing myself at Roosh, boy do you have issues), but merely an observation and an expression of my curiousity towards such rare breed in my world. If Roosh takes it as a compliment, so be it. Glad I could oblige.

vh: “As a Canadian” you didn’t do a very good job ‘translating.’

1)I was not implying that I think Roosh is fake – I meant just what I said – his persona is surreal. Like something I have only ever experienced in the context of a character in a movie. Mythical. My social circles do not expose me to people (of either sex)who have sex as such a goal – my only point of reference to this type of personality is through mass media.

I would totally meet up with Roosh if given the opportunity. Understanding that, in my books, one can meet someone and not end up sleeping with them. Shocking, I know. Why would I pass up the chance to sit down with someone who lives in such a different world as I do? Doesn’t mean we’re going to be best friends, it just means that I’m expanding my consciouness by learning about someone completely unlike me.

2)You went totally the wrong direction on this one. I had in mind these teeny-bopper ‘rockers’ on shows like American Idol and whatever that lame attempt to replace the late, great, Michael Hutchence was (hence the term ‘frontman-wannabe’, as opposed to ‘washed-up hasbeen’).
These kids try very hard to be the womanizing, sex-symbol rockers of the rock & roll glory days, but instead come off as just what I said – “sad-ass frontman-wannabe loser(s).” In my mind, if they could pull off half the exploits that Roosh blogs, they’d be posting Facebook messages to their old high school lab partners faster than you can say “Paris Hilton touched me where my bathing suit covers.”

3) Again, on this one, I meant just what I said (despite what many women do to negate this, some of us actually say what we mean). Because of the aforementioned reasons, I am left wondering whether someone can be all the things Roosh claims to be/blogs he is, and still be an actual, real life, functioning person – not just a character on some late show on Friday night cable.

I appreciate the attempt at clarfication. Perhaps don’t quit your day job tho.

virgle kent: Interesting that you seem to know about the ‘rest’ of this email…do tell….lol

mike g: Of course he asked me for pics. He wouldn’t be the ‘horndog Casanova’ I described him as if he didn’t.
And btw, I’m neither fat, nor a dumbass, but have my own set of nerdy traits, just like everyone else does, whether they care to admit it or not. I think I’m pretty easy on the eyes, but that’s just me. Roosh can tell you what he thought.

I worship very few things, and Roosh ain’t one of ’em. And being cockslaped(sic) isn’t one of the many things that gets me off.

And to Equally Canadian – thanks for the translation – I knew someone out there would understand.

But by all means, if anyone else cares to read into my email, fly at ‘er.

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Have you ever seen an Arab woman’s face?
The man has no choice but to turn her around.

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This is an entertaining thread, heh?

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Just one comment… How old is the girl from the second email? She sounds completely immature, and I can only guess she can’t be more than 25, maybe more exactly around 23… She is so naive with her questions, that I can say she hasn’t really been around much.

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to JR:
what are these “exploits” you speak of? if anything is “mythical” about roosh’s blogging then it is the fact that roosh blogs about game, but somehow manages to leave his personal exploits out of it…(smart).

girl of email #2 just sounds confused.

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Good call, leena. Nice one.

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JR,

I have to agree with Leena. You seemed to have assumed a lot about Roosh, drawing from the pre-formed imagery you had about the community.

I am not a member myself, since I was already with my girlfriend when I first heard about the community. Still, I am relatively curious about it and like to read the articles. And from what I’ve read, not all of them fit in to the image you seem to have in your mind.

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I think JR’s fascination with Roosh stems from the true but largely underpublicized fact that Canadian men are total simpering wusses when it comes to women.

Never been to Canada in all my travels but everything I’ve read about it suggests it’s a very female-centric society where men have utterly abdicated their collective alphaness, and women are fully in the driver’s seat when it comes to dating and the male-female dynamic.

I mean a place where women do all the picking, most of the dumping, and none of the settling, and have reduced men to secondary, frightened “sex object” status.

Furthermore from what I can glean from various Canadian blogs and sites, ‘Canuck” chicks are the epitome of the heartless, uncompromising bee-yotch type which would even put the much-sullied women of DC to shame.

And all of this is so deeply and pervasively ingrained in Canadian society and culture that it makes sense that when a young female product of that culture stumbles across Roosh, she would be morbidly and endlessly fascinated, because he upends so many of her most cherished and/or deeply-held assumptions about how a man should act, or how women should be expected to respond.

Has she seen Roissy’s blog. I patiently wait the ensuing firestorm from north of the border.

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Prisoners on death row get lots of complimentary mail too.

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Ha! This is such a stupid subject and waste of time…

I’m embarrassd to have taken part in it.

Next subject please!

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Wow. Interesting how you can send one email to someone expressing the fact that you find their lifestyle interesting and get blasted for it.

I can assure everyone out there, American, Canadian, and otherwise, that I am not ‘morbidly and endlessly fascinated’ (good lord – exaggerate much?) nor do I believe I have ‘pre-formed images about the community.’ I can say that last bit because I honestly can’t say that I know what ‘community’ you are referring to. I might be exposing my own naivete here, but so be it.

It was one email – and I thought a fairly playful one at that.

You people sure get worked up about people saying what they feel, huh?

Not like us heartless, uncomprimising (since when was being uncomprimising a bad thing???) Canuck girls. Which I’m damn proud to be, thank you very much. Did I mention we’re polite, too?

Y’all sure are entertaining, I can say that much.

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Joe T.-

You’re way off on Canadian women. They do not have that radical feminist shrewlike behavior that you often find here. They are often pretty outgoing and friendly actually, and down to earth. And ironically, I think a lot of that is due to the men. In America, we have a different kind of beta male, the type that is a supplicator and wuss, yet still aggressively pursues a woman. He goes after her trying to buy drinks, gifts, do favors, beg for attention, etc. This goes a long way in creating entitled women who are 6’s but think they’re 10’s. In Canada, the guys don’t approach and don’t supplicate as much. I don’t know why, maybe they are fearful betas, maybe they just consider themselves the prize and are aloof, maybe they’re scared, maybe they’re stuck up, but they basically do not initiate as forcefully as American guys, which makes the Canadian women less stuck up and more willing to approach and be open about doing the choosing. We American men, through our desperation and supplication, have created this modern American woman.

What I do find with Canadian women though is that if you approach with aggression, confidence and alphaness they really go for it because they aren’t as numb to approaches and forcefulness as American women are.

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He is taking the girl for granted and refuses to marry her because he’s holding out for better options. He thinks that because she is so completely wrapped around his fingers, he could do much better than her. He is a dumb ass, because he’ll likely never find another girl who treats him as well as she does. She will care for him as her love for him continues to seeps out of her due to his neglect.

He will never shape up and marry her. His loss. If she is smart she will leave him and find another man while she is under 25, because women can easily get much, much men when they are young and pretty. Unfortunately, she’ll always love him and pine for him. But give it 1-3 years, and she will be completely cold and heartless towards him, and legitimately so.

However, for now, she will ignore everyone’s advice and move in with him, but will get disgusted by his habits and inability to keep his penis from poking other girls within two years. She will cry out her heart to some other man who will try to take her away from him, and she will try to continue to make the relationship work even though it’s obvious that only she’s putting in the work.

She will not end up old and lonely. Most likely she will find another guy by the time she is over 25 because by then her biological clock will be ticking so loudly every year, and she will be disgusted by the lack of anything decent about the guy she fell in love with. She will settle for a man who will be richer and who will treat her well, but who won’t light a fire in her loins the way this scumbag did.

She will not treat any man after this man very well. Sad.

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Went back and re-read the post, and it seems she’s already left him and that’s good for her. But she still thinks about him and wants him to marry her. Listen, there is no way to make a guy want to marry you. A man can persuade a woman to marry him, that is why they always do the asking, but a woman cannot persuade a man to marry her.

Fact: a man will know within a month of meeting a girl whether or not he will marry her. It might just be a small inkling like “I could see myself marrying this girl” but that is enough. Men are not subtle. The marrying kind of men will say to a girl, “I want to be with you forever baby” or “I want to marry you.” Dead serious on this one. If he never has that feeling or never says those things, then he never will.

It is worth repeating. A man who does not want to marry a girl will not marry her unless forced to, and a woman who tries to make him see the error of his ways will just end up with a lot of pain and regret. She should leave him ASAP, and stay away. Even though he might miss her or the sex, he is still not going to want to get married. Let him go. Men will only chase hard when it’s something worth it to them, and you girl aren’t worth anything to him. Give yourself to someone else who cares.

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Oh there’s both radical feminists and down to earth women in Canada. We also have alphas, betas and even those special aggressive betas called douchebags.

I live in the US midwest now and women run the whole gamut from crazy to awesome on both sides of the border. The attitudes just seem different because its easier to approach and thread when you’re out of your home country because you can ride cliche stories like igloos and hockey or talk about how you hate your president and not everyone’s obnoxious in America (at least thats what girls use on me). In short, its not the girls that are different its just that cross border game makes you semi exotic and women hook into that.

Par Example, wouldn’t it be so much easier to game a liberal DC girl if you could say “damn this crazy health care, I’m so used to it being free back home, eh”…they reply “OH! are you from Canada?!”…then they stereotype you as being liberal, polite and sensitive…panties burst into flame, the end.

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Awww…it’s just because we’re just so jealous of you Canadians because you have lower crime rates, health care for all citizens (no fear of medical bankruptcy to wreck your credit), and your leader isn’t a complete moron war-monger driving a once great country into the ground allowing the corporations to rape the working class as the jobs have been shipped to India.

Several years ago when I visited Vancouver, I remember how much I fully enjoyed the greater buying power my American dollar had compared to that funny-colored Canadian dollar. Now, for the first time in history, the Canadian dollar is worth more than the once mighty US dollar!

We used to laugh at you silly little Cannucks. As Terrence and Phillip sang about in South Park,…”it’s not a Real country, anyway…”.

Now who is laughing?

(Everyone who doesn’t live in the USSA.)

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smack that girl. she is an idiot
and she wonders why that guy wont marry her.

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I’m a woman, perusing this blog, simply becos I feel the need to understand the other side of this woman man thing. Where you guys are coming from in the current dating culture.

And my advice to the girl, very late ofcourse, would be if being together is so great, that is an end in itself isnt it? its the whole process of living. How could taking vows in front of a crowd bring you any closer or mean anything more. I understand the need for security though, to build a future together. But given the right couple, each will have an understanding of building towards that even without marriage. sigh.

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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am laughing so hard about the second e-mail…

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Lol god what a controlling bitch. This guy puts up with no sex with her for three months and then she won’t move in with him cuz they’re not married?!
its painfully obvious she’s so insecure about herself she won’t trust him to do what he wants