Black Guys Game

hand-on-ass-technique.jpgThere are two kinds of black guys: the urban / hip-hop kind that is heavy on the slang and mimics stylings they see in rap music videos, and college-educated black guys whose style is a mix of urban and suburban mall-strip culture. I’m not impressed with the game of the former.

Over 50% of the time, I notice their opener is “Hey *slang identifier*, you got a man?” If you are a single girl that has no information about this guy besides his appearance and common line, why would you say no? He’s giving you an out and the whole interaction that follows is usually him trying to convince the girl to put the man aside and give him a chance. Direct game does have its uses, but the boyfriend question puts you at a huge disadvantage as soon as you open your mouth. It would be like calling the cops and telling them which bank you are going to rob right before you rob it. Why make it harder for yourself?

I’m confident there is a whole generation of black men growing up that is used to the fact that 99% of all women have a boyfriend.

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Jay Z could pull off direct game.

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what’s great is that if the urban style of black man realized that if he wasn’t so concerned about getting the girl to cheat on their make believe boyfriend they could hit it way more then just one time. that’s why their game sucks,they focus on one night stands and not four or five solid beneificial friends.

and I also think that snoop dogg could pull off some serious direct game.

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It’s not a race thing, it’s a game thing. That’s just another example of useless game and has nothing to do with the color of your skin. When I approach a girl I want bad enough – her boyfriend (if any) simply doesn’t exist and that’s how i look at it.

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good post! this reminds me of how, while waiting for a metro train to the hh on friday, some black dude came up to me and started whispering about if i had a boyfriend or not. he kept saying “i don’t wanna make you cheat but c’mon baby.” ew, no thanks. how creepy is that? sad

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Black women are less uptight than white women.

They are more sexual and impulsive: see the number of kids they pump out and their lack of contraceptive use. They do not suppress their sexual/reproductive drives like white women do.

That’s why black men are direct. You have to realize that it’s WOMEN who shape men’s game.

Whereas black women are happy to trade pussy for a dick attached to a fine looking thug, white women are more manipulative and use their pussy to extract all types of shit from men other than just sex.

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well if we’re playing the generalization game, i will go ahead an assert that white men can also be split into 2 categories: assholes and pussies.

i’m not impressed with the game of either.

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^ What, pray tell, impresses you?

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Oh yeah, Laura is anecdotal evidence that there is a sizable population of white American women who feel the need to one up everyone, and hate white men, and men, in general. Contrast that to Brazilian women.

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And they are as common as Kool-Aid. Also, very tiresome to be around.

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Couple of things. I am going to go ahead and ignore some of the more ridiculously racist comments above. I dont know where some of these bigots come from.

Anyway, Roosh, as a long time reader and life long black guy, I was glad to see you drop a post on “Black Guys Game.” Of course you are entitled to generalize, but I expected a little more substance from you.

I read a lot of this “Seduction Community” isht and I gotta say, some of it sounds like its produced for my Caucasian bretheren. Even as one of the so-called “college-educated” (post graduate) black guys some of the techniques/theories/openers etc. are effin ridiculous for some of us darker-complexioned to spit.

Anyway, you are Persian or some other non-Wonderbread race. It would be interesting to see your thoughts on how you alter your game when you don’t fulfill a girl’s Zach Morris, wonderbread ideal.

(Before everyone gets offended, WonderBread is term of love. Think about the deliciousness that is a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich on fresh wonderbread. Wait. What?)

I don’t know about you, but I definitely have to have varied game depending on where I am. Some might disagree, but a black guy in a white bar has to work harder.

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Man, I’m on this janks like no other. With me when you get into the higher level of game you start to realize your target audience. The advantage of this is you learn to switch your game up depending on the type of girl. The uneducated black man spits the same kind of game to all different types of girls expecting them to respond the same way.

While educated black men go something like this,

White girl:
Excuse me Ms. But I like how you matched your Giuseppe match your bag, your style is really unique and I’d like to get to know you better at a different time. Let me get your number and we can hangout.

To black hood rats, black chicks, and Spanish girls:

What up mah, I’m feeling you flavah. You gotta man? No, want some dick?

I will be posting about this later fo sho

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VK understands what I am talking about.

I have also noticed an increased success rate in a “white bar” if you have a white wingman/mixed crew of boys with you.

There is probably some sociological explanation for this that I have yet to uncover.

*You all should know what I mean when I say white bar, but for the sake of being clear, where the majority of people are 51% of the population.

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as a white guy who has dated black girls, lemme tell you one of the reasons you don’t see this combo too often is because black girls are used to the direct game of black guys and white guys have been trained by their experiences with white women to avoid heavy-handed direct game. so you get a complete comuunication breakdown when white guys and black girls are in the same room together trying to feel each other out, similar to what happens when black guys bring their game which is tailored for black girls into the icy palaces of the white princesses.

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I see your point and in most cases it doesn’t work. I think that black males do ask this question more than other races and also shows that they are direct. I personally don’t approach a girl like this and have done well for myself.

However there is one of my friends that is a natural at talking to women and uses this line every single time and has fucked well over 200 chicks(different races). I think it depends on the mindset that you are in and the way you carry yourself in front of the women that determines how she responds

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As another lifelong black guy, I have so much to say. Good post.

First off, not only is the ghetto black guy’s game always opening with “Yo shawty, you got a man?” When they invariably say yes, the rest of the game revolves around dissing said man. “Yo, where he at now? Why he let you out by yourself?” Then they try to convince said girl why they are so much better than the man, who may or may not even be real to begin with. And so on and so on. Even if you listen to hip-hop, pay attention to how often lyrics about taking a woman from a man pop up. A hell of a lot! It’s some weird obsession.

Anyway, you are Persian or some other non-Wonderbread race. It would be interesting to see your thoughts on how you alter your game when you don’t fulfill a girl’s Zach Morris, wonderbread ideal…

I don’t know about you, but I definitely have to have varied game depending on where I am. Some might disagree, but a black guy in a white bar has to work harder.

This is where self-fulfilling prophecy comes in. You’re coming in with a bitter chip on your shoulder due to race. You are assuming that Roosh’s race is an obstacle and showing resentment toward “Zach Morris wonderbreads.” You are assuming Roosh views his non-whiteness as a hindrance. If that’s your attitude, then of course white women will be harder for you because they will read your insecurity, consciously or unconsciously. Notice VK said approaching white chicks was DIFFERENT, he didn’t say it was HARDER.

I used to be like you in college, buying into all that “everything’s harder because I’m black” crap. That’s bull. Game is game. In fact, I’ll even say that things are easier because I’m black. I get the sexual stereotypes of a black man, plus I benefit from lowered expectations. It’s like how people get shocked by Obama just because he doesn’t use ebonics and is so eloquent. It’s impressive from a white guy, but when a black guy does it it’s downright memorizing. When people see a black guy with more game and smoothness than a white guy you’re unstoppable. I never expected a woman of any race to think less of me because of my race, and I always got great results.

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Yup. The bar is set lower.

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Oops, meant to write “mesmerizing” instead of “memorizing”

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Sometimes what we view as a racial advantage really just translates to a class advantage, For example I have an Ivy League black friend who was raised internationally, is a product of boarding schools, has a trust fund and powerful parents, and he can navigate those types of high-powered whitebread spots better than my middle-class preppy looking white friends. He understands it and exudes comfort and confidence in them. Race matters, but I wouldn’t overestimate it. Often it’s not whether THEY think you’ll fit in but whether YOU expect them to think you fit in.

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J.P and T

Also notice who I wingman with Roosh (Persian) Roissy (Cracer, I mean White). I think it helps a lot when approaching groups of women who too are often mixed here in DC. Even if they’re not mixed we each still have something to offer different girls in the group that increases the chances of all of them liking us.

The jacked built black guy, The well traveled Persian Philospher, the older mature/ gay uncle.

T. is absolutely right, You got to get your mind right before you play the game. Man my next post is going to be beast

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“I am going to go ahead and ignore some of the more ridiculously racist comments above.”

Name one, or shut the F up.

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Interesting points.

I think we can all agree the “Yo, shawty game is ridiculous”

I cant really comment on Roissy’s experiences with a white woman.

You took my statement that I have to “work harder” to mean that I think that I am less successful. Quite the opposite, I clean up in the “white bar.” My experiences, however, have been that I have to use more “direct game” (that is one of those ridiculous seduction community phrases that I don’t use, but it explains my point in this case) in a “white bar” and in a minority dominated bar/club, I can be more chill and have the ladies come up to me (to a point). I have several theories on why that is, but that’s for another time.

You also said :

“You’re coming in with a bitter chip on your shoulder due to race. You are assuming that Roosh’s race is an obstacle and showing resentment toward “Zach Morris wonderbreads.”

If that is how it came off, it wasn’t the intention. I think you are misunderstanding my point on this one too. I didn’t say it was an obstacle, my point is that in different scenarios anyone worth their salt is able to “change the game.” Literally. Im not explaining this isht very well because I am rushed, but the point is many women have different ideals. Depending on your location in the area, country, world, a woman might have a different ideal that I don’t represent (maybe cause she has never seen anyone quite as fly as I am. I assure, once the flyness is brought out, there is no turning back). Either way, when you get that feeling you have to change your game up slightly. This doesn’t mean that I have a chip on my shoulder; rather I perceive any potential hang ups and flip the script.

Talking about it in the abstract is difficult, but I am confident when I say that you were reaching when you summarized my thinking as ““everything’s harder because I’m black.” I think a more accurate statement is that things are different, not necessarily harder. In the end though, T., we are saying the same thing, because I agree about your last comments. Its sorta like Chris Rock re: Colin Powell. “He speaks so well!”…..Im not retarded, just fly.

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Phillip: Kill yourself.

Rosh: You got my point

VK: Agreed. The mental is crucial.

T.: Good point, I know a guy sorta like that. At the end of the day, game is game irregardless of race.

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JP – Ok, see where you’re coming from now.

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the older mature/ gay uncle.

“mature”?!? take it back!

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I’ll take that as “can’t name any”. You’re the most racist person posting, so kill yourself.

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JP:

I have also noticed an increased success rate in a “white bar” if you have a white wingman/mixed crew of boys with you.

There is probably some sociological explanation for this that I have yet to uncover.

It’s pretty simple. On your own, your race makes you exotic and therefore more attractive, but it’s nullified by the nervousness white people feel around blacks. Not just in a racist sense (though that does play a role), but in an attitudinal sense: They’re just not sure that they’d be able to talk to you since you come from such (presumably) different backgrounds. Being seen in a group with white guys shows white women that you’re comfortable interacting with their kind and are therefore “safe”. It’s validation by association.

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You should have taken that as “not in the mood to humor your ridiculousness”. But you didn’t. You can start by analyzing the statement:

“They (black women) are more sexual and impulsive: see the number of kids they pump out and their lack of contraceptive use. They do not suppress their sexual/reproductive drives like white women do.”

The absurdity and insensitivity of this statement should be obvious to you. Theoretically, you could, in a piss-poor and unreliable manor quantify and compare the number of children that black women bear versus white women. Maybe you could even quantify reported contraceptive use. But to say that black women suppress their respective sexual/reproductive drives less than white women is ridiculous. That statement would lead one to believe black women are whores. No reasonable person would say that type of bullshit.
There is no way for anyone to prove that. Should we rely on your varied and over-hyped ancetodal stories “about this one time _____(fill in the blank)___.”

The above logic applies to any race.

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i’m lost – when did roosh become persian?

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Maybe you could even quantify reported contraceptive use. But to say that black women suppress their respective sexual/reproductive drives less than white women is ridiculous.

Actually we can prove this. Check here . Differences between the races exist.

And it’s great that the people are talking about game for difference races.

For example, contrast Roosh’s post on black guys vs. this post on gaming Asian girls.

If you think race doesn’t matter, then you’re gonna lose out on alot of ass by not coordinating your game based on your target.

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For example, contrast Roosh’s post on black guys vs. this post on gaming Asian girls.

If you think race doesn’t matter, then you’re gonna lose out on alot of ass by not coordinating your game based on your target.

Race matters to a degree, but more in terms of the woman. A woman of a certain race (and cultural and socioeconomic background) may have certain habits and tendencies and interests that you want to understand in order to game them properly. That’s fine. The race of the guy, though, does not matter that much as long as he can engage her in conversation, display high value and seem socially intelligent and have alpha qualities and style. Granted a lot of ghetto black guys lack good conversation, social intelligence and high value, so they don’t get game, but that’s not because of their race but because of their economic backgrounds and cultural upbringing. Correlation is not always causation.

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in the end its about how well you can assimilate, fit in, and adapt your game to the situation. i’ve seen preppy, upper class guys suffer when it comes to gaming girls and i have lots of minority friends who easily clean up the bar scene. for instance you have the thug who has been used to gaming the same type of girl, and now he goes to a predominantly white bar. obviously if he doesn’t adapt his appearance, game, conversation skills, then he may suffer a bit. the guys who have the most success are best able to use their inherent skill and on top of that improvise and adapt to any type of social scene

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As long as there are fat white chicks, either approach will work.

Yeeeeaaaahhhhh Boyeeeeeee!!!!

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But it’s a numbers game. Holla at 15 females a day (no matter how overused the opening salvo) and if one or two respond react, that trumps the shy white guy reading “seduction community” (lmmfao!!!) blogs trying to boost his own ego enough to approach one or two girls on a Friday night while intoxicated.

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This offensive Mad TV clip isn’t going to post itself.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ejc0pkZ9bHM&feature=related

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It’s not even about the lines…in my never-ending annoying experiences with constantly being hit on by black men amounts to them completely stopping in their tracks to gawk, leer whoop, etc. – regardless if they are with another woman or not. What girl would be impressed with that? Sistas, you can keep ’em! Keep ’em away from us white women! Ugh!

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Man, I can’t wait for the Jew Guys Game post. Arjew and I will be all over the comments page. You wouldn’t believe the shit we have to pull in these white people bars.

I’m with T, this is a class thing, which is why such game is the only way to fly in Chinatown, and a total lost cause in Georgetown, regardless of skin color. ‘Round these parts you see plenty of white dudes with flat-brimmed hats and shirts to their knees pulling the same shit.

The better question to ask is what kind of culture perpetuates the idea that getting the poon is really only secondary to clowning an anonymous stranger. Of course, if she’s already got a man, at least you won’t have to spend much money on her.

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It’s not necessarily a race thing, but I wonder if there would be a statistical significance? =)

I think it’s a cultural thing that some African American’s tend to adopt to feel included in a larger social group. Insecurity, like most of us have, is my guess.

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Wow – this post is why I’m making a concerted effort to move off this coast. Way too many people trying to ‘scientifically’ justify racism.

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It’s impossible to differentiate a black man’s game into only two categories. There are more than two different styles when it comes to black men. Albeit these might be the only two dude has be exposed to.

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“see the number of kids they [black women] pump out and their lack of contraceptive use.”

Bigoted? That is an objective fact. Truth plays both ways, sorry if you don’t like it. This blog entry is more racist than that comment. Don’t just storm in to the discussion, drop the “racism” grenade, and go off on your own tangent.

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First before I begin

– “see the number of kids they [black women] pump out and their lack of contraceptive use.” Great use of statistics with that one buddy. Dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while. I guess Blacks make up about 40% of the population instead of the 13% I read about on a daily basis. Thanks for the incite into why there are so many more black people than there are white people.

Roosh, man I’ve been reading your site for a while now, not really for incite, but just for note comparison, and I’ve got to say that although I expected this post sooner or later, this post I though didn’t do a good job of explaining game. You did a better job later in the comments of explaining a viewpoint that I’ll begin with touching on:

– For all the great talk about game and how valuable it is, I think we all forget how valuable the needs of a woman really are, and to begin most women identify their mate based on race. That’s why a lot of the game that are in books only work on their own race. I find its mostly white men who write the scenarios and tips, and find that if it works on an asian girl, then the tips are international. Well, if we all just break out our racial ven diagram then we will see that white males and asian girls go together, so your connection isn’t a true testament as to if it actually works.

– So black women, can just find black men more attractive regardless of game.
-To be fair you did recall your own observations of black game, however I would say thats far from the truth. As a black male I can tell you that, cat calling and direct interaction is no higher than 10% of all black men or the urban crowd. What you are noticing is clearly the wannabe alpha hollering at girls in the club out of a group of 30 other dudes standing around.
– Although you called it direct, a better word for the entire black game would be confidence. Blacks exude confidence that works on every race of women when given a fair opportunity (Tom Tom’s). Women as we know love confidence.
– With that being said, the game does follow the “Hey, (fill in the blank that asserts desire and place before it an adjective that puts the girl on some pedestal)…..and then a question. Where as whites usually take a while to let a girl know how they really feel about them. Next, I rarely here people use “you got a man,” and instead use a generalizer like “where are your friends” “come here often.” Those lines seem dull, but because you’ve already let her know your intent, you can freely ask those questions without getting immediately rejected.

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Way too many people trying to ’scientifically’ justify racism.

A post was long overdue on racial differences in seduction.

Check out the devastating response to people who insist race means nothing.

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John Smith, re: your “devastating report,” what’s your point? So what? You and your compulsive linking and stat recitation…what does it have to do with anything? So blacks on average have lower IQs and Watson links it to genetics. Ok. So? What does it have to do with game? Asian men have highest IQs on average and aren’t exactly reputed as super-alpha lovers. Meanwhile murderers and killers on death row with low smarts get marriage proposals from attractive women like crazy. You are always so desperate to make one of your knee-jerk black intelligence arguments that you bring them up where they don’t even relate.

IQ has virtually nothing to do with game, nowhere near as much as SOCIAL INTELLIGENCE, charisma, confidence, etc. That’s why so many book smart nerds aren’t getting laid while some of the best players I know aren’t exactly brainiacs. So by bringing up (yet again) black IQ, you’ve pretty much contributed nothing to the discussion. Now if you had a piece bringing up racial genetic tendencies to have alpha swagger, social intelligence, confidence, displaying high value or empathy than you’d at least be remotely in the ballpark here with the rest of us.

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Where to begin … Roosh kicks things off with the Jane Goodall-style anthropology of black men and approaches in the DC scene – there are two kinds of black men and over 50% of the time he observed one approach – “the Yo you got a man?” line. His experience and his blog. Let the fun begin.
Roissy takes a shot at guessing about black women’s preferences from years of experiences with them, their sociology and socialization in the black community and self esteem. He has gamed and fucked them so he must know them.
John Smith at 9 hours 17 minutes cites a researcher linked to eugenics and the pioneer fund. I would say more but my genes and social community have not provided me with sufficient brain power to determine what Rushton means when he uses words and sentences. (Perhaps someone can summarize it for me)
JP, VK and T bring the black man perspective and explain their game conquests and hash out the details to support their brother(s) in humanity and banging. They were born of black women and/or black men so they must know what they are talking about, right?

I applaud the diversity of voices on the “game” here and confess that I like reading the social science that you guys put into your game. As an old married guy I can keep up with you crazy kids via the internets. Crazy what technology can do, in my day you had to wait for a letter by post or Life magazine article to get the story. But I digress.

What was my point … oh yeah, I get a little nervous when generalizations turn to characteristics defined by race.
There is a pattern to these blog posts that are informed by or characterize behavior by race. Invariably someone points to statistics to prove the causal connections (check), someone (their race is unimportant) makes general statements that label stigmatize and grossly generalize (check, check and check), someone gets called a racist (check) and someone blows up and starts it all over again while pointing out that someone of the particular ethnicity that is allegedly offended supports their reasoning/truth/experience and tells someone to fuck off. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. A time honored dance of racial misunderstandings. Every few cycles someone tries to set a new tone, but they are ignored.

I am not saying that half-truths and generalizations can’t be used in these discussion. I do it all the time myself. In this case, such statements are in service to points they cannot adequately support. In short, you can’t get there from here.

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Note: guys with the most retarded game get more action than most guys. Why? Because they do the most important thing when it comes to attracting women – they actually walk up and talk to them.

And yes Roosh, if you ever mention race on the internet and include a comment link, expect a deluge of retards.

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” “They (black women) are more sexual and impulsive: see the number of kids they pump out and their lack of contraceptive use. They do not suppress their sexual/reproductive drives like white women do.” The absurdity and insensitivity of this statement should be obvious to you. Theoretically, you could… quantify and compare the number of children that black women bear… even quantify reported contraceptive use.”

— Please crawl back under your politically correct rock. I stand by what I say because it is the truth. It’s SCIENTIFIC PROOF that the average black woman has sex at an EARLIER age, has MORE sex partners, and has MORE children than white women.

“to say that black women suppress their respective sexual/reproductive drives less than white women is ridiculous. That statement would lead one to believe black women are whores.

— Yes, you are a jackass to compare women who love sex to “WHORES”.

“There is no way for anyone to prove that. Should we rely on your varied and over-hyped ancetodal stories “about this one time _____(fill in the blank)___.” ”

— Like I said, look up the STATISTICS.

— Obligatory anecdotal stories: black girls have always been part of my life growing up. PLENTY of black girls had no problem initiating anything with me. Whether it be approaching me, grabbing my ass, asking if I had a girlfriend, asking me to be their boyfriend, or telling me flat out they wanted me to fuck them. You name it. Not so with white girls, and only ocassionally when they are in a bar or drunk.

The above logic applies to any race.

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pfft, everyone knows Cubanos and Spaniards have the tightest game.

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Geez, the next thing you know you will be saying black guys have a larger-sized penis.