Is There A Consistent Way To Build Attraction With Brazilian Girls?

Usually if I find that something works I repeat it many times to see if it keeps working, and if it does then I can start developing an optimal game. With Western girls I find that cockiness mixed with humor and teasing will be the most consistent means to have sex with a large number of them. I can roll up into Anycity USA, make a couple witty sarcastic jokes, and have the girl asking me personal questions. I can meet an Australian girl in a hostel, ask what’s wrong with her hair, and have her asking about my plans later in the night. I can make oogly eyes with a white South African girl in a bar, tell her I’m a farmer, and get a fun back-and-forth going. Unfortunately this type of game does not work on Brazilian girls.

By my estimates I’ve probably interacted with 100-150 Brazilian girls in both Brazil and the United States, and my hook up percentage with them is about a third of what I can get with American girls. I tried many angles, like being nice, being direct, being mean, being aggressive, being aloof, being a comedian, being dark and disturbed, etc. and absolutely nothing has worked with any type of consistency that I can share with you. Every time I bang a B girl I feel like luck played a large role.

A big difference is that in America girls will indulge you even if they don’t like you off the bat. This is how you can turn the tide with strong game. But in Brazil the girls don’t give you the chance if they’re not into your look and vibe, which means less opportunity to use classic game to build attraction. If it’s not there almost immediately you’re pretty much done. On one hand you save time but on the other how can you use brainpower and skill to get what you want?

So then I worked backwards on the set of hooks ups I’ve already had. Like a statistician I poured over the data to see if anything stood out at me. I’m also in touch with a dozen or so guys who’ve banged Brazilians and have their experience in the back of my mind as well. From this analysis there was a very clear pattern of B girls who got banged by a gringo…

They already like Westerners. In particular they like the English language and Western culture. They watch American movies and listen to American music. They go to Starbucks and Irish pubs. They have either visited or lived in a Western country. They’re at least 24-years-old.

Every Brazilian girl I’ve slept with has spoken at least passable English, and they enjoyed practicing.

Every Brazilian girl I’ve slept with has put out strong interest within two minutes of talking to them.

Every Brazilian girl I’ve slept with has mentioned in passing other gringo “friends,” a German guy here, an English girl there. I’m never the first gringo they got to know. Two girls I used to see are currently dating a gringo.

Every Brazilian girl I’ve slept with has complained about Brazilian men to some degree. They are looking for something different.

Every Brazilian girl I’ve slept with has been at least 24-years-old. While I have kissed B girls as young as 18, they seem to be more about kissing than fucking. Pursuing a young B girl is generally a waste of time.

I know two guys who have banged a quality B girl who spoke no English and didn’t fit the model above, but neither of them could sustain the relationship and make it to bang number three. I think these girls did it more for the novelty of it, not because they genuinely liked gringos.

During my six months in Colombia, I was the first gringo for most of the girls I slept with. For two of the girls I was the first gringo they had ever met, something that has never been the case with Brazilian girls. There I found that hanging out in a place with a lot of gringos generally wasn’t a good idea as it killed my exotic status.

In Brazil (at least for Rio) that seems to be the opposite. I actually bomb when I’m in a place that has no gringos, because the girls probably don’t care for them. Girls in Brazil know which bars and clubs have gringos, and if they like going there then guess what—they like gringos and it will be easier for you.

If you want to bang a Brazilian in Rio, go to the spots that have gringos first. Being the only gringo in the club is great if you like standing out, but it won’t automatically be easier.

There is this one club I do well at. Until recently do you know what I would tell other guys when describing the place? “Yeah music is alright but it has a lot of gringos… sucks.” It could be 20% gringos at times! I didn’t realize that my complaint was helping me get consistent results there.

I’ve been to another club four times. There are maybe 2% gringos at the most. I’ve never hooked up there—not even gotten a measly number—even though it’s in a poorer part of town. Here I get blown out most of the time. Girls simply don’t give a shit.

There’s a guy I knew in Rio who spoke very good Portuguese, something you’d think would increase his chances of banging a lot of Brazilians, but it hasn’t done anything of the sort because his ability is merely driving him to girls who don’t already like gringos. He has a ton of conversations in Portuguese that go absolutely nowhere. His language skill merely delays the inevitable rejection.

So I have no idea how to bang a Brazilian girl who doesn’t speak English or who doesn’t already come pre-programmed liking gringos. Your guess is as good as mine. But now when I approach a girl, I ditch after a minute if she’s under 24 and she doesn’t try to say a few words in English. Otherwise I simply run cool guy game, tell her my story, crack a couple jokes, tease her very gently, and sit back as she’ll do most of the work for me. With Western girls I definitely work at building attraction and it may be several minutes in until I “hook” her, but with Brazilian girls if attraction isn’t there almost immediately then nothing will happen.

Game in Brazil is more venue selection, persistence, and attractiveness than what you already think of as game. The best advice I can give you before coming to Rio is to hit the gym hard and look your best. Then once down here approach daily.

I really wish I could give you a complete strategy, and maybe I can some day, but until then don’t waste your time gaming Brazilians who are skeptical of gringos.

POSTSCRIPT: Since originally writing this I’ve banged a B girl using only Portuguese. She said I was her first gringo. I believe it was for the novelty because I couldn’t get to the third bang.

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The Rookie
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Roosh, have you tried changing your hair style and beard while you’re down there?

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Interesting

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this is actually something i’ve thought a lot about stateside. i’ve tried to break into this community uber hard and met with limited and sporadic success. pre-approval does seem key. the IOI early on being my only real indicator of future success. the rest? washout. platonic, friendly non-versation…regardless of what game I kicked. sucks too, b/c i have tried reaaaaal hard to crack this nut.

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“I believe it was for the novelty because I couldn’t get to the third bang.”

Third bang in the same night?

Or third separate swoop session?

– MPM

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Roosh, maybe I can chip in a bit here. I actually think your chances should be equal or even better with the women that don’t speak a word of English. There might just be a few things that need tweaking, here is what I can think of, off the top of my head: How are you dressing? Do you always go out in jeans and a t-shirt? Have you tried a nice pair of shoes and a nice button down? Like Rookie, mentioned maybe change the hair a bit? Also have you learned how to dance? Forro is my personal favorite, and the benefit of learning Forro in Brazil is that you’ll be able to dance Ballenato in Colombia as well, it’s practically the same. Dancing is a great way to open and build attraction with most Latin women. I’m also thinking there may be language barrier getting in your way, maybe you just need a bit more fluency. One thing I noticed in your post is that you mentioned that places where gringos don’t hang out are generally the poorer parts of town, your right. But you should also consider that the women that hang out in these parts of town do so, not because they don’t like gringos, but because it’s more affordable then going to where the gringos party and pay top dollar. Also a lot of these more local hang outs play more local music, the women might like that as well, but that doesn’t mean they won’t be up for meeting a foreigner. One last thing I can think of is using a pivot. Meet some of those women that don’t speak any English, but instead of hooking up with them, have them introduce you to their friends on a separate occasion. That’s all I have for now, If I can think of anything else I’ll let you know.

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One of the fundamental rules of game to adjust to the environment your in.

From what you’re telling me, Brazilian guys look great and are cocky as fuck. They probably run teasing game as well.

In other words- you’re running the same game the Brazilian girls are exposed to everyday. They’re use to your angle. If they’re use to that angle you need a different one.

The funny part is that the answer is right in front of you and you don’t realize it:

” [b]But in Brazil the girls don’t give you the chance if they’re not into your look and vibe[/b], which means less opportunity to use classic game to build attraction.”

In other words, you’re presenting your usual look and vibe then relying on your verbal game to seal the deal- as you did in the US.

However, in the US you could use verbal game as an opener- this isn’t the case in Brazil. In Brazil the look and vibe is the opener. To open you need to change your look and vibe, not your verbal game (which is what you’ve been trying).

Perhaps its time for Roosh to try “Suited Down” game?

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The best thing I can say about meeting a Bgirl is when you ask if they have heard of Kanye West and they say no..The greatest feeling in the world..

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sorry to be contrarian “The ROokie”, but as opposed to a trim, have you thought about growing your beard and hair even longer?

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Interesting post for sure. I need a B girl flag. Gotta make that happen.

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What you want to be is the American who understands them, is worldly enough to be living in a different country and have traveled extensively, but also cares enough about the Brasilian culture to actually learn the language. This is very, very attractive to a Brasilian woman.

As you point out, Brasilian men are fairly one-dimensional (and good at it). Leverage this – be different, without being a pvssy.

What you need is a wingman who speaks English and Portuguese, and you should switch between the two in your conversation, which you should make sure is heard by your targets. This signals that you are worldly and yet approachable. When the girls approach (they will), be confident and friendly (a neg or two is fine) – I have not had assh0lery work much in Brasil.

When you get the girl alone (sometimes difficult -this is where the dancing comes in), you need to blaze past the kiss-kiss nonsense they often drop you in. Years ago I spent hours kissing Brasilian girls and going home un-fvcked… until I learned. Use the samba – control her lower back/shoulder and direct her, and she will have found her new Daddy. In a word… drive. She’ll follow. Oh, and make sure to go for the back door – she will open it for you.

One comment on Forro – if you are going to places where they play Forro music, you are probably going too down-market (Forro is fun, but it is for the poor), and you risk having a run-in with the local lower-class Brasilian men, who will probably not take too kindly to you fvcking their women. That could be a dangerous run-in. Stick to the middle- and upper-class girls, in the middle- to upper-class establishments (and where your competition will be all talk, no knives/fists).

Oh, and never wear a pair of jeans + a blue collared shirt – ropa de Mauricinho (“preppy”/snobby, in Brasilian). Be different, since you are.

Abração, amigos. Sorte!

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This is an observation of what I’ve seen work well with Brazilian girls (some over there, some here).

The ASD mutates a bit with these girls. They seek the boyfriend label. Apparently if you are their boyfriend (even for just a few days), it’s fine. If you are just a hookup who refuses to use any labels, then the ASD alarms will keep going off at every single interaction. You are at a zero or negative score every single time.

Note that being the BF does not mean exclusivity or daily phone calls. It just means that you should hang out with her and her friends every now and then, and that you should not disappear on a Saturday night.

When they want to move on, they will. They will flake or respond less. That means they’ve found another boyfriend.

Has this issue come up yet? I’m assuming that you would respond to it in typical C&F manner, stating you won’t be a boyfriend or something like that. Give it a try and report back, if you can.

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This post is a classic. Roosh, keep the beard, be different!

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Don’t forget… the prez of Brasil has a beard…so i’m sure they like it.

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I’ve banged a 3 brasileiras, but what has been more eye-opening to me is the conversations I’ve had with the local B-men. They ALL told me the same thing: B-girls love gringos because they are tired of being pumped-and-dumped by macho B-boys and think the gringos are going to give them a more cerebral experience, if not outright commitment.

What I’m saying is, the sort of hard-core player game you enjoy in DC might not do as well as the intriguing long-term-mind-fuck-with-vague-expectation-of-commitment game they don’t often encounter.

Just how you manage to parlay that sort of game into short-term flings is an excercise/art I leave for the reader.

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roosh the couple of b-girls i know here in dc fell hard for the first guys to offer them stable, long term commitments. tupac is right about that. b-girls seem to be more allergic to obvious pump and dumpers.

btw, what you say about b-girls is probably true for a lot of foreign chicks. the foreign girls i’ve banged were fascinated by american culture and got off doing it with an american dude.

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This is extremely common in ALL non-Western countries with rigid class systems, and I`ve been to many such. A tiny slice of the girl population will detach itself from the rest and seemingly be *reserved* for gringos, while the rest will *seem* to have no interest.

I say *seem* Roosh because out of all the strategies you mentioned you did not mention the one which actually works in these countries and these situations, the one which you are philosophically and ideologically opposed to as a theoretician of Game as a set of behaviors entirely under your control, and reflects a truth which I suspect you find threatening.

It`s a message I know you don`t want to hear, but it is the truth – you must adopt the dress, behavior, and mannerisms of the upper classes, and learn to present yourself as upper class.

When I read your story about the Champagne bottle, while I certainly sympathized with your reactions, I almost cringed when I read that you bought the cheapest bottle of champagne in a middle/upper class bar – I couldn`t believe the naivete of you not realizing what kind of terrible signals you were sending out to these women. Not paying attention to such details can be devastating to your chances, and any guy who has partied much in class-bound countries knows these kinds of things are elementary and absolutely essential.

It was at first puzzling that someone as analytical, pragmatic, practical minded, and attentive as you are, who generally is willing to accept and adapt to any reality with a hard headed lack of sentimentality and a lack of self-pity that makes for much of your success, should so completely fail to realize the importance of the class system in Brazil, and more, learn quickly to manipulate it to your advantage by sending out all the right signals.

Yet I soon realized that your blind spot is ideological – your theory of female attraction, where behavior trumps things like social status all the time, is limiting your ability to accept the reality of your situation.

But I tell you, Roosh my friend, learn to master and expertly manipulate the upper class manner, and more, actually get yourself some upper class Brazillian male friends, and I promise you, all obstacles will vanish.

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Just to be clear – I don`t mean you have to dress *better* than Brazilian guys, I mean you have to, as much as possible, adopt the *look* – whether good or bad – and manner of the wealthy classes.

T-shirts that are stylish and expensive – over a 100 dollars – and sneakers of a similar class, might actualy be better than dress shirts that are cheap or even middle of the road. Girls know these things, especially in these countries.

At the end of the day, though, your *look* might simply be too great a handicap in a South American country and might make it impossible for you to succesfully impersonate upper classness without friends visibly propping up your status.

Sad, but it might be true.

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I’ll second what Roissy just said. When I lived overseas, most of my hits were girls that were fascinated by american culture. The other girls were tough.

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Aaron is pretty much on the spot. I lived in Colombia for years, and I have spent long periods in other stratified societies (Latin America and elsewhere). In those places, class matters, whether you like it or not. I did really well in Colombia, and although I didn’t have much money at the time, I did have social status, among other things. Latin American girls want the real thing….not just a bag of tricks. Game tactics will work in a long-term relationshiop, but not much for pickup.

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Excellent post. I totally agree: a person’s success is based upon their ability to adapt to their environment and change their approach based on new information.

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>>with Brazilian girls if attraction isn’t there almost immediately then nothing will happen.

I do agree that your style (clothes and hair) is perfectly adapted to American girls and that’s why you think they are so easy. You cracked the code with them but let me tell you these American “hippie” chicks ain’t so easy for someone like me who look more like a “mauricinho” upper class guy.

But in Brazil, I do have a lot of instant attraction before I even open my mouth.

In Latin America, clothes’ brand is everything. Although the style might be more relaxed in Brazil than Colombia for instance, the brand is always of huge importance, especially for the shoes too, being chinelos or else…

I agree with the other guys that if you want more instant attraction with girls who don’t care about American culture, you have to look more like Brazilian Mauricinho upper class and of course have wingmen among them if possible…

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That’s correct lika, I went to Brazil 2 years ago and many girls look at you on your appearance ( clothing, clean shaved, good hygiene) I met this Brazilian chick on the 1st day I got there and I’ve been with her for 3 years it’s not easy at 1st but just make sure you speak portuguese and english

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Don’t take advice from the guy who advises spending $100 on a t-shirt…

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Roosh,

get a good steroid dealer down there and beef up. LOL

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Having spent more than a month in Rio, here´s my findings on Bgirls. Note though, that game/pickup is not my biggest priority here, and I´m probably not as hardcore about it as many of you are 🙂

As far as I´ve experienced, getting girls here primarily comes down to your appearance and (percieved) social status (in particular the company you keep).

Cariocas (male and female) put major effort into their looks, something you really notice when you hit the beach here. I´m not a bad looking guy, but compared to most of the men here I´m like a stick figure.
If a girl is interested here, you´ll be getting major IOIs within 2 minutes. Its happened quite a few times that people have come up to me asking if I want to meet their friend, who´s incidentally been giving me the look way before.
The downside is that if she isn´t into you from the start, changing that with game is really tricky. Like Roosh says, there doesn´t seem to be a ´type´ that most Bgirls will go for. Whats interesting is that some will be quite stongly apposed to dating a gringo, while others will feel exactly the same way about Brazilian guys. Brazilian dudes, by the way, will bang pretty much anything that moves. Which is one of the reasons that some of the chicks here tend to avoid them like the plague.

What does seem to work here (at least more than at home), is non-verbal game. I mean things like eye-contact, posture, stance, body language, attittude. Obviously this should be a given wherever you go, but its really worked well for me. Taking on a bit of a laid back, ´impress me´ attitude differentiates you somewhat from most of the local guys here (who are not picky at all), which at least is something to start with. Perhaps I´m relying on this more than usual as my Portuguese is very basic, but going on Roosh´s experiences, speaking it fluently doesn´t necessarily help you either.

Finally, your percieved social status plays a big role here. Somewhat coincidentally, most of my nights out here I´ve gone with local girls or gay guys. Which can be great company for going out partying. For starters they speak the language and can act as a ´bridge´ for you and whoever you´re talking to (on both a verbal and social level). And, both are usually very eager to introduce you to their friends, and actually want you to hook up with them too. Again this a given pretty much anywhere, but going to a club with 3 girls is great social proofing. Granted, if you go round making out with all the other chicks in the club that will probably be the last night you go out with that group, but if you´re looking to expand your network and perhaps set up some day 2s, its the way to go.

And finally, Bgirls are very jealous, and take negs or jokes towards them a little stronger than most girls back home. Watch out with that, the line between cocky and rude is way thinner here. Jealousy can be used to your advantage (especially before you´ve kissed the girl), but if they think you´re a bit of a player or just don´t give a sh*t about them, they´ll probably walk.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re-reading over the comments, Muambeiro gives some great advice.

Make sure you´re the one leading (Bgirls like the man to act like the man, unlike the independant b*thces back home), but don´t be an asshole (Brazileras are easily offended).

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“A big difference is that in America girls will indulge you even if they don’t like you off the bat. This is how you can turn the tide with strong game. But in Brazil the girls don’t give you the chance if they’re not into your look and vibe, which means less opportunity to use classic game to build attraction. If it’s not there almost immediately you’re pretty much done.”

You’re making Brazilian girls sound pretty shallow.

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Is it true that Brazilian chicks prefer anal over any other type of sex?

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For the girls that go for gringos, I am assuming part of is it that they look different from Brazilian guys. In Roosh’s case, he looks too Brazilian. Wouldn’t a blonde, blue eyed guy for example have an easier time gaming in Brazil as a gringo??

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Rooshv really look like a brazilian guy. Next he should go to North Europe, especially to Finland where his looks would be a huge advantage. Finnish guys are also very shy and have no game, so he would be a huge success there. Also there would not be language barriers as most finns speak fluent English.

I’m also waiting for his trip to Thailand. 🙂

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#31 is right. I’ve seen Scandi guys in the field and they are about the worst in the western world. At the same time, Scandi girls are very open to darker more “exotic” looking guys. Roosh would probably do good up there.

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…and also Scandi dudes don’t come across as possessive and jealous about foreign guys talking to their women like guys are in many other country.

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24 le biel
Don’t take advice from the guy who advises spending $100 on a t-shirt…

Exactly. Take your clothes advice from G Manfesto.

Suited down, etc

The beard while become like a pocket square or cufflinks.

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#6 is right. Verbal game isn’t big in Brazil, and most social venues are too loud to actually talk coherently.

#10 is right. Brazilian girls are too touchy and uptight for asshole game and negs.

#11 is right. ASD is a permanent firewall with most Brazilian girls, except low-class and low-quality girls who aren’t worth it.

#14 is wrong. A lot of Brazilians despise the president, especially upper-class Brazilian girls.

#15 is dead-on. “Intriguing long-term-mind-fuck-with-vague-expectation-of-commitment” will produce bottles of cunt juice.

#26 – “Brazilian dudes, by the way, will bang pretty much anything that moves.”

I’m Brazilian, and quite selective. But caveman douchebags will probably bang anything that moves, I suppose. And to those suggesting that Roosh emulates Brazilian upper-class guys… These guys are complete douchebags. They get laid sometimes, but if you’re willing to become a douchebag to get laid (and spend ridiculous amounts of cash at it), what’s the point of game?

#28 – Brazilian girls *are* shallow. Just as American girls. Or any girls.

#30 – Blond blue-eyed guys are fairly common in the south and southeast. Doesn’t make much difference.

Roissy is right. Brazilian girls are allergic to obvious pump and dumpers, or at least quality girls are.

Now, as to the main question of this post. The idea of building attraction is alien to most Brazilians, as they are usually so shallow that appearance is all that matters. So you either have it or you don’t. If you don’t, just walk and don’t look back, it’s not worth it. But when there is some attraction, in order to build upon it you have to make the girl feel special in a way. This doesn’t mean fawning like a beta, obviously. You can provoke and downplay her, but you have to give the impression that you want more than sex, even if you don’t. I can see the fascination with pumps and dumps, but from my experience the sex gets better after the first bang. And let me tell you a story.

My younger sister, quite attractive, has a boyfriend. They’ve broken up several times. She knows he hasn’t always been exclusive. A few months ago, I went back to my hometown for a family wedding. They weren’t together at the time. She was dancing, and as her dress had no pockets, she asked me to hold her cell while I was drinking beer and talking with relatives. I did. It didn’t take long, a text from him: “I feel like seeing you.” — I considered deleting the message, but my parents always told me not to meddle in her affairs. So I didn’t, but took at least an hour to give her back the phone saying there was a message. When I did, she replied immediately. His second message took at least half an hour. By then, we were driving home, and when she got there, she changed clothes and left again. When I told this story to a friend, he said: “Amor de pica é o que fica.” — “Love of cock remains.” A saying around here.

I could vouch for this myself, but the story shows it in an impartial context. And as much I hate seeing my own sister that way, this is how Brazilian girls are wired. Make them feel special, have a relationship with them, even if short-term, and you may be sure they will be available when you “feel like seeing them”, though of course there’s always the possibility that they may be seeing another guy, or get sick of your booty calls.

The bottomline is that I don’t think there is a surefire way to build or create attraction if it isn’t there. You have to spin your game in a way that is consistent with the girl’s style and set yourself apart by hinting that you want more than sex.

But I’m curious to see your strategy, Roosh.

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somethings to think about and i have met you before.
1. You are tight with cash…girls hate this. you dont have to be rich but being a tight wad doesnt work in 3rd world countries. Buy some girls a drink or take them to dinner. They love this as brazilian guys are tight wads and dont spend cash on women. Taking a girl back to a ghetto pad doesnt work anywhere in the world also. Spend a bit more and live it up near the beach in Copacabana or Ipanema.
2. you seem a little bit of a depressed over analytical guy…you spend 8 hours a day on your computer writing about chicks…get more lively. more energetic workouts maybe? try something different. Your frame was that attractive..maybe you were having a bad day
3. you could pass for a brazilian…..its much easier when your fair headed. My mate was a red head and was cleaning up. I found it harder too cause i am dark haired. Try look really gringo…I bet you would do really well in sweden or somewhere but your $200US a week budget wont cut it

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I am beginning to get the impression that even if you are a gringo, as long as you look Brazilian and don’t have the exotic factor going for you then you have to compete on their turf, which entails the fashion, beach body, machismo and everything that goes with being latin/brazilian.

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The difference between B-girls and American girls:

An American girl will fuck and suck like a porn star for an alpha, but if she has to settle with a beta, her pussy will dry up and she becomes a demanding shrike with no urge to get it on.

A B-girl will fuck and suck like a porn star with an alpha, but they get sick of being pumped and dumped. However, when they get into an LTR with a (relative) beta, their overwhelming sexuality and sensuality ensures that they *continue* sucking and fucking with as much abandon as they had with their alpha lovers. There isn’t that vast chasm between alpha-beta behaviors that you often see in American girls. They like sex so much that sex with a beta to them is just about as enjoyable as sex with a knuckle-dragging neanderthal.

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Roosh,

I wasn’t clear on a specific point. When I said that my sister and her boyfriend weren’t together at the time, I meant that they were no longer in a relationship. My parents had told me a few months before that she said she was done with him and didn’t want to see him anymore. I guess it lasted a few months this time. This is the grip that a relationship with game has on a Brazilian girl. He was obviously having other girls on the side, but she didn’t mind and hurried to see him.

Doing this with a girl before you bang her or get into a relationship with her will come across as desperate, obviously. That’s not what I meant.

If you can pull quality and quantity in a Brazil with that strategy, I salute you, but I doubt it.

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The comments here are a treasure trove of great info. Keep it coming guys!

“All that said, the vast majority of guys who roll through Rio for 2 weeks or less will not bang a brazilian girl unless they pay for it. If you want to get laid your best bet is with a gringa, for they all seem to be very horny while in Rio.”

That’s the impression I get too. Which is funny because every guy that goes to Brazil thinks women are going to be throwing themselves left and right. Language barrier or not.

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Roosh – think about it for a moment. Every time you take that bottle of champagne out of the ice to pour a drink you expose it for about 5-10 seconds, and if you pour a drink for your friend you can double that. You do that multiple times a night, and there is ample opportunity for any girl who is intrigued but unsure of your status to judge you.

It sounds incredibly petty and silly but these things end up mattering a great deal.

Of course, being high status is not of itself sufficient to get the hot girls, as you yourself note by pointing out – correctly – that there are many high class Brazillian guys with girls you wouldn`t touch. But being perceived as high class is a necessary precondition.

In other words, it is a necessary but not SUFFICIENT condition. You still need a decent level of Game.

As for spending a ton of cash, you don`t need to go all out – you don`t need to buy the absolute most expensive bottle of alcohol, but a good mid level bottle would go a long way, and the same goes for clothing.

An another point worth noting is that it is not entirely about cash and clothing, it is also about the precise fashions and styles and mannerisms adopted by the upper classes.

At the end of the day is it really strong or weak to refuse to play this game? I don`t think it`s either. If you care enough to get these girls it is possible to learn to manipulate the system which they use to make judgements about the prospective status of a mate, if not entirely, then at least to the point where you satisfy her unconscious need to feel that she is hanging with the *right* class of guy or to the point where she won`t feel socially humiliated by associating herself with an ambiguous foreigner – this last point is an important one, BTW.

At the end of the day for many guys it just isn`t worth it, and there is a certain level of self-respect that comes from insisting on getting laid on your own terms that probably, in the long term, builds up the kind of psychological strength that will ultimately get you the most and best women.

But I can also see good arguments for adapting to the reality you are faced with at least to some degree – just enough to trigger a few unconscious but crucial switches in a girls hypergamous mind.

I would love to read a report of you trying the high class route and reporting on your results!

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No, you know a guy who got to bang 3+ with a B-girl who didn’t fit the descrition. One who didn’t speak English and first gringo. I was banging that girl out you saw me with at Sao Firmino the whole time I was in Brazil and she was hot as shit.

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Come on Roosh, I think you’re over-analyzing this. I had a kick-ass time in brazil (in a month I slept with 3 and hooked up every time I went out)

To me it seemed that never before I had encountered THAT flirty girls. Giving you ‘the look’ everytime you went out, sending loads of IOI’s, hooking up behind their boyfriends back. One 18 year old english guy in my hostel (we called him Harry Potter) even kissed an attractive girl – and this guy looked seriously like harry potter and had absolutely NO game.

I wish I could tell you what I was doing, but I am afraid it is to generic to be worth anything: wellgroomed and -dressed, mysterious smile and chest held high.

Might be the time to let go of the caveman look, am sure it will skyrocket your succes.

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@Roosh: Hey buddy, this wasn’t meant as an insult or bragging:) I just wanted to share the empirical knowledge I have of B-girls. If you track my posts on the forum you’ll be able to see that I am not claiming to have had great success in a country as, let’s say, Colombia (in fact my month there was hard on the self-esteem), so when I am saying that Brazil is an awesome place, it is to give the more nuanced and accurate picture of the situation.

Furthermore I communicated in lousy spanish with all the girls I slept with – they spoke portuguese to me, and I think I am correct when I say that two of them weren’t really into me from the get-go. So I am not so sure about your hyopthesis?

It would be nice to share valuable insights, but to a certain point I guess there is a limit of how much you can micro manage (game) to get the chicks.
I am thinking of that Italian guy you write about in your book and how you felt that he was more worthy than you – what would he have done in Brazil?

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So, the easy, one night stand, anal loving Brazilian girl is a myth?

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Roosh, I feel you on that. A lor of dudes who were talking shit when I was out there were banging beasts. I’m definitely saying B-girls were harder than Americans. I just had a talk with someone I met on the gondola the other day. He was saying B-girls were more DTF. I was thinking he just wasn’t banging the right ones. I feel I got pretty lucky with my B-girl and she wasn’t easy to fuck. It took me about 6 times hanging out and we only banged the first time because I was leaving. The other million times were because my game is tight :). I can do a right up on how the scenario went down though.

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I want to dispel this myth that Brazilian girls even in Rio are easy to bang. Not true. The only reason you hear lots of crazy stories form Brazil is because prostitution is everywhere.

Do not go to Brazil and think for one second that girls are going to be all over you. They will not be eyeing you up and down.

I have a reasonable amount of game and I can pick up with greater ease in the U.S. When you go to Brazil it is actually harder.

I was only interested in hitting 7.5+ and I can tell you that Roosh is absolutely right – getting a high quality Brazilian girl is not easy. Game in the purest sense did not work for me. Even my mediocre Portuguese that I slaved over did not really help.

The only thing that I could think of that might increase my odds would be to learn to dance. It’s physical in Brazil (in Rio) – not about game. I also remember having a laughable body compared to the guys on the beach – I’m not in bad shape.

Some of the suggestions here are from people with little experience over there – order more expensive champagne, cut your beard, $100 t’s etc.

My experience – high class girls are off limits unless you have local contacts.

Quality girls are either open to gringos or not – and you’ll know in 5 minutes.

European guys have a different vantage point because I think they are perceived as higher value than American guys in Brazil.

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#40 — Hate to intrude upon your fantasy, but that is an inaccurate image of Brazilian girls, unless you mean exclusively the hyper-sexed, dark-skinned, funk-dancing beach-dwelling species, which is only a fraction of the whole, and the worst fraction at that.

What you Americans don’t get is that feminism didn’t hit Brazil as it hit America back in the 60s and 70s. Combine that with the overall Catholic ethos of Brazil, and what you get is the allergy to pump and dumpers and the instinct toward long-term relationships. Note that this doesn’t necessarily mean exclusive relationships. Some girls are tolerant of guys having a few escapades, as long he is discreet and sees her as above the others.

Decent-looking quality Brazilian girls want guys they can respect and who will respect them, or at least give the impression of respect.

#48 — It’s a myth, but there are some girls like that, and they aren’t good-looking apart from a big ass. Plus, you have to be a complete caveman and get past the battalions of guys who came before. If you like sticking your cock in an animal like that, I suggest wearing a radioactive suit.

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Aloof, I’m basing my impressions on the B-girls in the States, the types Roosh has written about on this blog — not stunners by any means but certainly not the funk-dancing mulattos you mention. Are you really trying to tell me the stereotype of the overly sexual B-girl is a myth? I’m not buying it. I’m not talking about their beahvior outside of the bedroom or anything else. I was trying to make the point that your run of the mill stable provider guy gets sexed up a lot more in an LTR with a b-girl than with a gringa. In other words, it’s not such a game killer to be less alpha.

“What you Americans don’t get is that feminism didn’t hit Brazil as it hit America back in the 60s and 70s. Combine that with the overall Catholic ethos of Brazil, and what you get is the allergy to pump and dumpers and the instinct toward long-term relationships. Note that this doesn’t necessarily mean exclusive relationships. Some girls are tolerant of guys having a few escapades, as long he is discreet and sees her as above the others.”

Dude, that’s exactly what I said in my previous comments.

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Hey Roosh and Friends, Fellow expat in S. America coming at ya.

I have mixed feelings about what you do, but I enjoy your blog so who am I to judge, right?

Your post made me think a lot and produce this rambling comment, feel free anyone to disagree/correct me.

My qualifications: Late 20’s telecommuter, obvious white guy but grew up partly in Latin America so I decided to go back now that I can. Generally considered nice-looking and funny, though I have my own strikes against me, like I don’t dance or drink much (anymore), am not too sexually aggresive with girls who I’m not pretty sure are into it, and have morals (sometimes at least) that prevent me from leading girls on about relationships, challenging traditional-minded girls worldviews, creeping on girlfriends, etc.

At the end of the day though I’ve had a lot of experience hooking up with women around these parts, not so much in Brazil unfortunately, but enough to compare that with places where I’ve spent a much longer time, like Colombia, Central America, and the DR. I’d like to suggest some explanations for the phenomena you’ve observed about why you can only hook up with a certain type of Brazilian girl… I may be way off-base on some of it, but hopefully it adds to the conversation.

FIRST, when a girl starts to consider how she feels about you she asks herself the question “WHO ARE YOU?” And if she doesn’t have any specific answers she starts to fill in the blanks with whatever default stereotype information she has about what she perceives to be your type. “North American” is a pretty broad “type,” but “single North American guy hanging around a major Brazilian city” is a bit more specific.

In some places, like Mexico or Costa Rica, a young American dude might be seen as a surfer/hiker type, just passing through on a “gap year” or something. Even somewhere like Buenos Aires, which is pretty far for the average “wandering” US dude, you could pass with the air of an exchange student studying Spanish. But not many Americans study Portuguese, and Brazil is a far trip for just chilling out in the tropics.

What I’m getting at is most Brazilian women see single American dudes there as sex tourists, either directly as customers of prostitution, or indirect sex tourists like yourself who mack on locals due to the fact that Brazilian women are the most stereotypically sexualized women on earth (and not entirely without reason). I’ve been told this by Brazilian friends.

I’d also venture to say (and please don’t be offended, I’ve got nothing against Middle Eastern people) that most Brazilians wouldn’t consider you to be “fully Gringo.” In practice Gringo is often used for many non-American whites (Canadians, Aussies, etc.) but often not for non-white Americans like blacks or Asians. Therefore you have the downside of being foreign and non-fluent without the true upside of being white “Gringo.” And while Brazil is the most racially-mixed place on earth, they’re also often surpirsingly upfront about racism. Obviously “white” people there run the country, own most stuff, and become the telenovela actors that everyone looks up to. But even a lot of Brazilians I’d call “black” don’t refer to themselves that way. They would rather point out that they have a “good mix” of features, like maybe dark skin but with more “European” features or vice versa. Not saying no chicks would be into your looks obviously, but I think if you’re honest with yourself you’d see that your being a non-white American is kind of a lose-lose at least at first.

Also I doubt your Portuguese is that fluent. It’s hard for Americans. I can tell you this because my Portuguese is just survival level, someone has to really want to have a conversation with me to put in the work required for mutual understanding! Meanwhile my Spanish is native level, I’ve spoken it since I was a toddler, and man, it makes a huge difference (unless you want to limit yourself just to English speakers). It’s like speaking just the basics in a language can help you get SOME women, so a lot of guys get lazy with that because it takes a LOT of work to go beyond intermediate to the next level where you’ll see improvement but it’s a huge jump up in terms of your options when you can speak semi-fluently, make jokes, banter well, etc.

Finally we can’t ignore the huge impact that CLASS has on Latinas around here. (Places where the majority often lives on just a few bucks a day after all.) I’m just guessing most of your pulls are with “upper-middle class” chicks (which means poor by US levels but it’s all relative). Nothing wrong with that at all. I’m one of probably just a few guys who’s had enjoyable hook-up experiences with Lat.Am. women of almost every class level (outside of like oligarchs daughters and actually malnourished people.)

Not something to brag about, I just like to over-analyze the situation 🙂 About rich chicks, I got with them mostly when I was a private high school student, not really my thing – although some guys idealize them because they often get cosmetic surgeries I find them to be usually less cute and feminine and with pretty bad personalities based on entitlement complexes.

In any case, depending on the region, a lot of these chicks speak good English. (The ones who don’t don’t care about learning it.) But they’ve also probably spent a lot of time in Miami and if they really wanted a middle class American they’ve already done that and you’re not that special to them. Next.

The majority of chicks come from obviously poor backgrounds, although they’re not as self-conscious about it usually since they see almost everyone around them in the same boat, relativity again. (I’m excluding the actual “underclass” from this, since I don’t try to pick up chicks who are obviously miserable materially speaking, I do give to charity to help people like that but yeah… this can be a sizable group in some countries but I highly doubt you’re macking on them.) Anyway, these “poor” (i.e. normal) chicks usually don’t speak English. They may “want” to learn, the same way that some guy who hears a good rock song “wants” to learn guitar, but they’re not serious about it and deep down they realize that.

They have already resigned themselves to dreams of at best a middle class local guy, and as a result they start to really want that (and people in general are more into people who are like them, especially poor and less educated people who tend to be surprisingly conservative and reluctant to change and risk.)

Not to say that they wouldn’t maybe like to hook up with a cool, handsome American, but they’re afraid that your motivations would be too obviously exploitative. Appearance is everything, so they’re not so much worried about being “exploited” as what they’re friends and family would say… and Latinas, especially these kind, LIVE for the validation of their family and in fact nearly always live WITH their family, even in their late 20’s, and so therefore act MUCH less promiscuously than their clothing would suggest.

Upper-middle class girls are kind of a sweet spot then, for the random American dude. They probably either know English passably or really want to learn it. They’re less resistant to new things than other classes because they not only want to “improve themselves” but actually believe they can. And for some chicks, hooking up with suave and sexy Gringo who treats them right can be self-justified as a kind of “self-improvement.” Cheaper and funner than an English academy, right?

You pointed that yours are at least 24 though… lots of reasons for that. 22 year old Latinas often act (and sometimes even look like) 15 year olds. Pro and con… 15 year olds with no spending money who rely on their very Catholic parents for everything and have curfews and still hope for polite boyfriends who will ask their Dad’s permission to date and so on… (this kind of idealism fades with life experience, but they gain that much slower than American chicks due to their limited freedom and information.)

To be fair, they also have some real dangers that American chicks don’t have to worry about. For example getting pregnant, not being able to get an abortion, being outcast by your family and society. (“Whore” is always the strongest curse word in Latin America.) Also, guys there will brag about hooking up with her later and other girls will call her a whore, etc. Also their societies are just much more violent and dangerous with large numbers of unsolved “femicides” and even just muggings when you’re going out for an evening. So you should excuse a little bit the caution of especially younger women there.

Getting back to the point, maybe you didn’t experience so much of this in other countries because you went to some place where a visiting young American wasn’t immediately pegged as “out for pussy.” Maybe your Spanish is better than your Portuguese?

Colombia is kind of an outlier. It’s true that American dudes don’t just chill there for surfing and pina coladas and all… but actually there just aren’t many American dudes there due to security fears. (And luckily no one has informed most Americans that they have the most beatiful women on earth!)

So I mean there is the occasional hippie backpacker (repulsive to most Latinas), the older businessman (who wants prostitutes) and even the mail-order bride guy… (I’ve had fun going to bars of hotels where “A Foreign Affair” mixers had just finished to pick up on disappointed Colombianas, story for another time!) But just cool young guys who can speak Spanish and have fun with you, there’s a real shortage, so more women will give you the time of day even though if they’re honest with themselves they’ll still have to conclude you’re probably not visiting for the “architecture” or whatever.

So that’s my two bits. If you really want to get laid with awesome girls in Latin America the best (not easiest) way is to get really fluent and make friends from whatever group you want to be your peers (again it will probably end up middle class college kids for most guys reading this, unless you’re old). Be friends with both guys and girls… get a decent place and invite people to parties and ask to be invited too. Take trips to the beach or mountains together. Then the ball starts to really get into your court.

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Tupac,

Like all myths, “the stereotype of the overly sexual B-girl” has some truth to it, there’s no denying that. But your description was too filled with wishful thinking and eagerness to qualify as accurate.

There are plenty of Brazilian “beta” guys with good-looking girlfriends, and they aren’t exactly getting the kind of sex you guys imagine that Brazilian women can offer, with these ridiculous fantasies of them exuding “overwhelming sexuality and sensuality”. Sure, they like sex like all women, they take care of themselves to look good, but this: “sex with a beta to them is just about as enjoyable as sex with a knuckle-dragging neanderthal” — if you say that to an attractive and selective girl around here, she will laugh in your face: she wouldn’t enjoy either.

To be honest, from my limited experiences with American women, I tend to find them much easier and eager than Brazilian women, and much more willing to indulge in casual sex. This may be due to my exotic status as a blasé white Brazilian man, but still.

Here’s an experiment for you: watch some Brazilian porn and then compare with American porn. You’ll see the difference.

“Dude, thatâ��s exactly what I said in my previous comments.”

I was referring to comment #40, not #15.