Charlottesville Was A Disaster For The Dissident Right

This article was originally published on Return Of Kings.

I carefully followed the events from Charlottesville this past weekend that culminated with a declaration of emergency for the state of Virginia and the death of a liberal protester who was ran over by an alleged Nazi sympathizer. Regardless of the peaceful intent of the alt right protest, I believe this was a catastrophe that has given the establishment key momentum to marginalize and harm dissidents whose ideology is not based solely on white nationalism.

Charlottesville saw the exact same story we’ve seen during my Canadian lectures in 2015, university events by Milo Yiannopoulos, and spring time protests in Berkeley of coordination between the state authorities and far-left groups like antifa or Black Lives Matter. In the case of Charlottesville, city government and Virginia state police shut down the alt right event before it started through a state of emergency that made any assembly “unlawful,” even though a Federal Judge sanctioned the legality of the event a day before.

Police proceeded to eject alt right protesters from a park into the waiting arms of rabid antifags, who proceeded to attack by launching pepper spray and other objects. One alt right personality, Baked Alaska, is looking at permanent eye damage from what may be a diluted acid attack. Many others on his side sustained serious injuries.

The police determined that any assembly was unlawful for the right, but not for antifa and Black Lives Matter, who gathered bats and other weapons to protest on the streets, completely unmolested. That is when an alt right protester plowed into a crowded intersection with his car, causing the death of a 32-year-old leftist and injuring over a dozen others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0guSatguSk

It turns out that the driver was a fan of Hitler and Nazi imagery (other protesters showed up with a Nazi flag). With the narrative now sealed, the media has the death they need to link the alt right to Nazism and domestic terrorism, providing a perfect rallying cry for leftists around the world to dox, harass, impoverish, and threaten dozens of men associated with the protest. I have no doubt that ROK and myself will be put back on the chopping block once the alt right is weakened from this massive assault.

Many dissident commentators are speaking out on how the police were unfair. The left was given a pass, they say, to run wild and attack with impunity, but that doesn’t really matter. This is the game as it is, not as you want it to be, so if you expect fair treatment while the rule of law applies to you but not your enemy, you will lose. If you’re counting on the police to protect you, you will lose. Might makes right, and right now big chunks of the dissident movement is flailing their arms crying about how the enemy is not playing by the rules while they get their clock cleaned. This is not a tactic that will lead to victory.

The reaction of the biggest alt right leader, Richard Spencer, tells me that he was neither prepared not qualified to deal with the events in Charlottesville. His post-mortem podcast was painful to listen to—he joked around and complained endlessly about it being a “set-up.” If I didn’t study properly for an exam, I’d think the teacher set me up, too, upon realizing I don’t have any of the answers.

Would you show up to a rally next month if led by a man who is jovial a day after one of his associates was blinded by a chemical? His actions after the Charlottesville debacle make me question his leadership, and while he may be sincere and gutsy, that’s not enough to prevent injuries and deaths getting racked up on your scorecard. To his credit, he did tighten up in his press conference, but he needs to do some serious soul-searching on whether he’s the man who can continue as a leader for his followers.

There are two psy-op triggers that are buried deep in the American mind: rape and Nazism. When I triggered the world with my How To Stop Rape article, I took the loss and stopped talking about rape. When the alt right triggered the world with their “Hail Victory” Nazi salute, which I defended on free speech grounds, they doubled down until someone who legitimately believed he was a Nazi killed someone.

It’s clear that the Nazi trolling, encouraged by the likes of The Daily Stormer and The Right Stuff, will get you meme-making internet fans and at least one real-life idiot who ends up killing others, whether accidentally or not. The Charlottesville death vindicates prior denouncements by the likes of Gavin McInnes, Paul Ramsey (Ramzpaul), and Mike Cernovich, who seemed to know what an appeal to Nazism would lead to.

If Donald Trump doesn’t need to meme about Hilter to win an election, you don’t either, unless you want your movement to die or be seen as controlled opposition. It’s no surprise that Trump came out to speak against “racism” and “hate,” throwing the alt right under the bus. Their stench is just too great, which is why I will continue to moderate pro-Nazi imagery and users from all sites I operate.

There is a personality called Millennial Matt. Watch this clip of him giving a hospital update of his friend Baked Alaska:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNN2aU3ADdM

I know that look on his face, because I had the same back in February 2016 during the meetup outrage. It’s when a man is pushed to his limit, when he feels the walls closing in around him, and when he’s hoping that things will just blow over, but sometimes the momentum is too large and things don’t blow over—it continues for weeks. I expect civil lawsuits by those injured in the car accident in the near future.

This isn’t a game, this is war. You may scoff at that comment, but if you’re going to a rally without the expectation that someone there will try to maim or kill you, you run a high risk of being maimed or killed. We have broken the seal of death, and people will start dying at increasing rates. Antifa will want payback for the death of one of their communist allies, so you should not attend any rally unless you’re able to defend your life. Big boobed e-thots should stay home. I repeat, this is not a game, and there is zero excuse for you to be blindsided from this point on.

An important question is what to do next. Rallies and other public events should be crossed off the list unless you’re prepared to run them like a counter-terrorist operation, which is how I was able to pull off my Canadian lectures. It makes absolutely no sense to announce the time and place of your meeting for the main benefit of appearing in fake news, all to be ambushed by antifa who have nothing to lose through their felonious violence.

Unless you’re an e-celeb with a huge ego, you don’t need public events, you don’t need to make the news, and you don’t need to gather massive groups of men you don’t know. Build your movement slow and steady instead of attracting whack jobs who praise Hitler and run people over with cars. Create flash events where leftist foot soldiers don’t receive advance notice on their iPhones of your whereabouts, and focus on winning hearts and minds with poignant, effective, or humorous engagements that are publicized through images or video and allow you to grow slowly as you gain needed experience.

If you insist on facing off with antifa, it’s going to be a fight that will likely lead to injury or imprisonment for you, but not imprisonment for them, and with the My Paycheck Matters police on the side of the state, it’s a hill you don’t want to die on until we enter a hot Civil War scenario. If you can’t become as competent on the field as a genuine Army Major, do not lead people into what will be sure ruin.

It should be clear that we have no allies in existing state and cultural institutions. They hate you and wish you would disappear, because you’re the one remaining obstacle to allowing them to permanently rule and usher in their “end of history.” They’re currently treating you with kid gloves, but we’re fast approaching the point where it will just be easier to outright kill you through their antifa or BLM zombies.

Before you associate with any dissident leader, ask yourself if he will get you maimed or impoverished through his incompetence, unpreparedness, or stupidity. Are you following a leader with an ego or an ego who doesn’t know how to lead? Since we’re still about 2-4 years away from violence that will make Charlottesville look like nothing, you still have time to decide the best way to proceed for you and your country.

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Why was I banned from ROK?

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me too. (shruggin)

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Dont worry about it . Its an honor. You no longer have to associate with a White Supremacist website. Those pussies don’t want opposing discourse they want cheerleaders.

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The Red Pill isn’t white supremacism or bigotry, it’s common sense so I’m not on your side Mr Antifa.

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That’s stupid.

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Cause you’re gay..That’s what I heard.

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I’m straight as an arrow, buffoon.

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Meany ☹️

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That sucks, sorry to hear it. Something’s up with the mods because of Charlottesville.

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Oh it was before that, actually.

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because you answer trolls

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Nope, I know why I was banned. I guess I can’t say the reason here as that’ll get me banned here also. Let’s just say that RV only pays lip service to free speech. (even this is a risky answer)

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why would you give half a fuck?

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This was a set up. The decals don’t match, the alleged driver wears prescription glasses while eyewitnesses say he wore none, the woman who ‘died’ was photographed days later. PR is a ridiculous strategy simply because it will lead to you being controlled by false flags.

Mao’s cultural revolution began with roaming gangs destroying national history, which is why China’s history is so full of holes. We have that now with the forced removal of national monuments. Mark my words, in less than ten years, things like the Iwo Jima war memorial will be torn down and the books will fill pyres to the sky. Either the fascists or the communists will win, as this democracy has completely succumbed to the fatal flaws of representative democracy, and is passing into despotism.

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You’re back.

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better run boy, I’m going to bug out in paraguay. Talked to an american once and he told me he moved to Paraguay because its isolated. He was afraid the next global conflict/war would claim the life of his still teen son. Apart from the fact that they have a fast and cheap permanent residency option, I think they are the best option because of lax gun laws. Paraguay also has no borders with any menacing neighbor they couldn’t handle today and again that’s thanks to the gun laws. Except for Brazil but Brazil has one huge violent political homicide-crime infested problem right now because police are quitting and striking all over the country. At least in paraguay, you can also easily migrate into Bolivia, Argentina or Uruguay if you can make the trip.

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all that running you’re doing, your name wouldn’t happen to be Forrest Gump would it?

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If the US falls, Canada, Europe, etc, Paraguay is going to feel awfully small in the spotlight.

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At least we have our own language and the countries you mentioned above have a cancer: blacks. Blacks are 13℅ of the population and yet commit 89% of all the gun and drug murders in the US. Are the numbers exact? Who cares, I’ve been to the US and Canada and they are screwed in the long run. Europe might have a chance but not all of Europe. Germany, France, Italy, Spain, and Greece are all screwed.

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trump was correct in calling-out both-sides (instead of pandering to BLM and other domestic terrorist groups). the MSM news has been 100% focused on the ‘white supremacists’ and trump’s comments. millions of average citizens like me are seeing an alice-in-wonderland spectacle where right is wrong, cops are criminals and all sinners are saints!

so, what’s the end-game? the left would like to completely dismantle this country (because they’re idiotic pawns in a globalists’ game), and the right are painted as ‘racists’ (the pinnacle of egregious terms in the eyes of the MSM and the left). of course congress is filled with globalist pawns as well. martial law may be necessary to protect innocent american citizens and our duly-elected president.

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Exactly How many Torpedo cars and Blown up Government buildings are BLM responsible for.?

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looting buildings and stealing cars is more on their level, but you can’t claim they have done less damage, though I’ll admit it’s like blaming white people because they are more numerous since blacks outnumber the Nazi minority group

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You got my point. The groups you worry about take out their aggression on property and inanimate objects. WS take out their aggressions on WOMEN and CHILDREN.
So who are the terrorists?

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Seriously, are you mentally challenged? BLM supporters gunned down 12 cops in Dallas and Baton Rouge after members are on tape chanting, “Pigs in a Blanket” “Fry like Bacon.”

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Actually, it was a black dude who was not part of the Dallas protest march who gunned down the cops.

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the white supremacists don’t get a pass from me, but neither does the MSM.

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What white supremacists? Try white separatists and you’ll be on solid ground.

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I saw nothing but a gathering of white trash . No wonder Intelligent white society is trying to distance themselves from this atrocity

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What “white supremacists” are you referring to? Surely you’re not referring to the people protesting the tearing down of the Lee statue?

You do realize that a white nationalist (or white separatist) is not necessarily the same as a “white supremacist”.

“White supremacists” want their black slaves back. “White separatists” want to live next door to other white neighbors. See the difference?

Every time a family engages in “white flight”, that is a SMALL and localized version of “white separatism” and “white nationalism”. But it’s not painted as such, because whites do this QUIETLY.

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the MSM has characterized the entire group of demonstrating-whites as white supremacists. it is their narrative. the other domestic terrorist groups protesting are described by the MSM as ‘anti-racist’ groups. it is hypocritical and the worst kind of yellow journalism.

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So to you a group that raises flags which represents the murder of millions of people is the same as a group that has some people throwing pepper and getting into fist fighting in the worst case?

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yes. i dont agree with your spin. i do agree with President Trump’s appraisal of the situation.

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Raising a flag versus blinding people with acid? Yeah, I will go out on a limb and say the latter are much worse.

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it’s about time that everyone on the right finally realizes that we will be called Nazis no matter what, and instead of desperately punching right and trying to earn brownie points with the liberals, we should just all team up and embrace the fact that they will always hate us.

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Just gotta get back in the lab and come up with new flags and secret hand gesturss. And dont be so Proud and Public next time. Go back to that hush hush meeting stuff that you are really good at.

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Just for reference, this is what agitating looks like.

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Just for reference, you are hocking artificial reality. Russian spook bot strikes again.

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Well, what did I say that made you feel that way?

Just curious.

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Guy Breeze’s comment was other than agitating. You definitely are a Russian spook bot.

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No I’m just a normal human being, just like you presumably.

By agitating I mean that his comments are a good way to degrade and derail a discussion / consciousness.

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Not a bad suggestion. That’s where all revolutionary movements start.

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Are you a Nazi revolutionary?

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Nope. I loathe socialism and have no problem with race mixing, which real Nazis despise (I’m a “degenerate race mixer” myself as some of the spergier members of the alt-right have put it when I mention my Latina wife). I’m opposed to mass immigration from the third world, not a fan of the Affordable Health Care Act, wish the US and Russia were allies, and would like to see the president “drain the swamp.” Reasons to support the duly elected president? Yes. Reasons I’m a Nazi? Laughable, or at least laughable back when all of this was still a little funny. It’s not anymore, though.

Tell me this, without looking it up do you even know what “Nazi” means? It’s an abbreviation for the full name of Hitler’s party. Do you know who the Bolsheviks were and their relative body count they produced compared to the Nazis? Do you know which of the groups we see fighting in the streets now is very similar to the Bolsheviks in tactics and ideology?

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To be honest with you I don’t without looking it up, although to me it seems to mean a adherent of National Socialism, which is something that I’m not anymore than lightly familiar with. I’ve never studied it in depth, my shallow understanding of it would be that it’s primarily about the empowerment of both the nation and race of Germany at the time as it’s primary overall objective.

And yes although I am not especially educated about the Bolsheviks either, I’m aware of them along with what I’m assuming you mean is the modern radical left such as ANTIFA or BLM.

What I was trying to say below, is that the modern consciousness is being hijacked and crippled by these petty distractions and that is a real shame.

Although part of that is also probably due to the nature of the average brain / mind.

It just seems like a waste of humanity.

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You’re right, Nazi is short for National Socialist. I realized a while ago that most people don’t know what the “zi” stands for. Nazism was a nationalistic form of socialism, specific to Germany in the early 20th century. The ideology is dead now, like the KKK. Sure, there are probably a handful of people out there who claim to be Nazis or klansmen and aren’t moronic LARPers or federal agents, but they are irrelevant and have no real power.

The Bolsheviks were the faction of the pre-revolution Russian Communist party that eventually dominated, took over, and became the Soviet Communist Party. The killed millions in the USSR, and their communist counterparts in China and Cambodia killed many millions more. Communism has had a body count something like 10x that of Nazism and is still alive and well nowadays, even respectable in some circles. BLM and antifa are heavily influenced by them and very similar, and after Charlottesville seem like they might be winning. Still, almost everyone is worried about “Nazis” who don’t exist.

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Hitler and Nazi’s are a meme but I think people take that far too seriously and potentially some of them with an ulterior motive as well.

Modern whites, except for the occasional person who is extremely mentally ill, which will always exist across all races and genders by the way, are extremely docile and harmless.

They would not hurt a fly. There is such a thing as legitimately dangerous brutal and organized white men, but the world has not seen that for many decades they are all long dead or defeated and most certainly modern white people including the alt right and other “subversive” internet sub cultures have nothing whatsoever in common with these aggressive violent and at their time exceptionally powerful groups.

Even among whites in the military or special operations or police, white pride or white supremacy to my knowledge is very much rejected and considered quite unpopular.

I’d argue that BLM and ANTIFA are just as impotent the only difference is that for some bizarre reason they have the support of the mainstream media and the majority of the government.

Obviously ANTIFA and BLM are quite a far cry from serious communist soldiers.

So we must ask, why is the case? Why would so much focus be given to a bunch of impotent irrelevant white men with radical ideas, along with so much support given to what are proven by empirical evidence to be law breaking anarchist groups (regardless of their ideology)?

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You will be called nazis as long as you get along with people raising Nazi flags and doing nazi salutes. Is it so difficult to reject this group for you?

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Bullshit, Nazi LARPers and associated media clowns are leftists, Spencer included. What kind of dumbass participates in an event with people repping Nazi and KKK gear, that’s the fake right.

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You wrote a long post some time ago about the process action reaction the elite uses. From HEGEL. It´s clear the intention behind this is to dry the alt right and this protest was the excuse to atack any person who identifies as alt right. At least you are finnaly realizing not to be an useful idiot. Even though I would catalog you as controlled oposition. Why didn´t the defamation include you?

BTW the US closed the refugee visa program for children from central america. I saw the news today on tv and immediately made the connection and why Trump is closing this program. It has to do with pizza.

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Glad to see all the White Supremacists and apologists outing yourselves for this “Great Man” that you voted for. Bet you guys wish you had OBama back in office to hate on. But the “Great man ” is providing great comedy relief. He’s a great representative for “White Supremacy”. BTW looks like Baked Alaska is gonna is gonna recover from his “serious” , “life threatening ” injuries. You guys are such drama queens. Discrimination to you guys is a bad day at StarBucks; too much cream in the Latte.

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Man, what’s your problem you stupid nigger?

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Roosh, perhaps you could explain where the line in the sand has been drawn?
i get that the white working/middle class should distance themselves from the Nazi/KKK extreme right, if anyone is to take men seriously again, that must be 100% done.

However can you explain where we stand now? as many have posted at ROK, just as the Alt Right ideal was waking some blue pilled slaves/men up the globalists create this sh*tstorm to fracture support for this group, and alot of potential allies/red pill/free thinkers will now think twice before raising their hand to say “no, i dont support this anti family and anti humanity narrative the left pushes”
so where to from here?

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These are all such irrelevant issues.

They are emotional lowest common denominator slight of hands to keep you mired in nonsense such as “I am not a nazi” instead of what actually matters.

It’s a shifting of focus and energy to the most pointless distractions.

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The alt-Right community should have told the Nazis and others to leave that crap in the trunk of the car. That’s one of the lessons here. Too bad the left gets away with flying the hammer and sickle which is no ideology of tolerance or free speech either.

It may be that these leftist agitators were paid agents. The media won’t cover that either though.

Brennan Gilmore, Tom Perrielo, Michael Signer, and other friends of Podesta arranged Charlottesville violence
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Internet sleuths have linked the Charlottesville violence to Brennan Gilmore, an Obama spook who has arranged various dirty tricks for the Obama-Clinton-Podesta axis in the past.

Brennan Gilmore, Tom Perrielo, Michael Signer, and other friends of Podesta arranged Charlottesville violence

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“Too bad the left gets away with flying the hammer and sickle which is no ideology of tolerance or free speech either.”

Also, there’s the matter of the commies’ body count being what, like 10x that of the Nazis? But hey Nazis are still the ultimate evil for some reason.

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The leaders of both groups were PLANNED OPPOSITION.

The leader of “Unite the Right”, JASON KESSLER, whose group was protesting the statue’s removal? He:

* worked for CNN, as an assignment editor
* was involved with the Occupy Movement
* was a supporter of Obama

Does that sound like a “Nazi” to anyone here? Does that even sound like a member of the alt right? No?

ANTIFA and BLM were bussed into the protest by an external organization, funded by….somebody. Antifa’s goals were to spread fear, intimidation, and violence. And they succeeded. This event cast the “alt right” as “homicidal Nazis”, which is exactly what both Antifa and the globalists want.

Antifa attacked the car before impact, and we don’t really know if the car’s impact was deliberate….or if the impact was induced by the PANIC experienced by a (young) driver. Did the driver lose control of the car? I don’t know. Let’s remember that there was a violently crazed mob of Antifa in the car’s proximity. We don’t have all the answers yet.

Let’s also remember that the mayor of Charlottesville tried to ILLEGALLY halt the protest mere minutes before it started, even though the protest ALREADY HAD A LEGAL PERMIT. And then the cops physically pushed the “alt right” straight into Antifa, where they were assaulted and pepper sprayed (by Antifa). A youtube personality named “Baked Alaska” might be permanently blinded, after a member of Antifa sprayed in the eyes with acid. In the end though, the globalist mayor and the police are primarily responsible for this carnage……because they created a volatile situation, and deliberately pushed the two groups together.

Additionally, there were very few “alt righters” carrying Nazi flags and iconography. Were they actually members of the group (protesting the statue being torn down), or were they “false flag” provocateurs….who are secretly government agents or members of Antifa? I don’t know. I’ve only seen a couple photographs of ONE SPECIFIC MAN with a Nazi flag. Who is he? What is his name?

Do the past accounts of the man with the Nazi flag indicate him as being opposed to “racism”, and supporting third-wave feminism, and supporting “open borders”? Wouldn’t it be a good idea for us to find out?

We cannot fully trust anything we’re seeing here, nor can we ever trust anything that the MSM says. We need to search for multiple videos of the car incident, and look for images….from multiple angles, and multiple points of view.

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I don’t think it really matters either way.

We don’t need all the facts about it, nor do we need to vindicate anyone involved.

We just need to be reasonable.

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Why was I banned from ROK?
Am I banned here too?

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Bem, you got banned?

My contact info is in my discus profile. Drop me an email. I’d like to see our community stay together.

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will do

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That sucks, man. Something weird is happening with the moderation over there, ever since Charlottesville.

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Welllll, I was kinda obnoxious about other bannings as well as plugging another website.
Still, I’d appreciate an explanation if not clemency.

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You shouldn’t worry about ANTIFA whatsoever.

They are simply symptomatic extensions.

Who originated this artificial conflict?

Who stirred the pot?

Apparently the appropriate response now to hysteria is counter hysteria and escalation.

That’s literally falling into an artificially constructed reality and not even a particularly clever one at that.

Artificial realities of the past were actually cunning, such as mass religions, not something like a goofy “race war” between liberal dorks and pampered alt right goofballs with “white pride” who are not even 1/100th of the strength of their ancestors, rather just the spoiled crippled remnants of their blood filled legacy.

That this is the main issue of our time, on mainstream television, is laughable.

This is like shooting fish in a bucket at this point for these agitators.

There is no real “racism” in America in 2017, except that which was artificially constructed out of thin air by agitators and using some of the most base tactics too.

I don’t really understand why America has not come together to simply say knock it off.

It’s one thing when these nuts were on the fringe where they belonged, but now it’s seeming like the nuts are the mainstream and reasonable adults are the fringe.

I don’t know if people are just totally losing it or what but the whole thing is a total joke and I can’t even believe this is actually the modern state of “advanced civilized” 2017 society.

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Your entire post is artificial reality. No doubt a Russian spook bot.

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What in the world are you talking about?

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I was asking the same question about you! Are you for real? Your ideas are incoherent…like a Russian spook bot.

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I don’t know what a russian spook bot is.

Yes, I am a real person.

I was simply saying that there doesn’t appear to be a actual conflict here, just a imagined one in the minds of the groups who are fighting.

And the more relevant question, why are people who should be seeking to deescalate them instead stirring them up?

Obviously someone wants them to fight with each other and to make it a public spectacle, for whatever reason.

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There is an actual conflict here. Both sides believe they are right and are not backing down. Some people are “stirring them up” because they enjoy chaos. That is our society today.

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Yes there is an actual conflict but is it over anything that actually exists in objective reality or simply subjective delusions?

For example in the case of ANTIFA or BLM what are they fighting for and against exactly, again?

And in the case of the whites I understand what they think they are fighting against and for, although both their methods and supposed targets seem to be very misguided.

Also we have always had fringe groups like this, but why suddenly give them so much attention, as if we are on the brink of an impending war between two groups who are both extremely impotent and irrelevant, except when given excessive attention by those who have tremendous influence and leverage over the majority and mainstream consciousness and focus.

So why would people in a position of such responsibility choose to elevate and escalate such a scenario?

And moreover I am furthering wondering, what are the state of the majority of working normal Americans, who I find it strange that they would support either of these groups or their actions or their goals.

I would hope that the average person would not be that foolish at this point, to be swept in such a petty drama, not that the average person is known thus far to be especially resistant to that, but this is getting way out there.

But maybe I am just out of touch with modern America 2017 and this actually seems anything other than completely loony hysterics to the average citizen.

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OT ( but not really): Roosh has shuttered his Twitter.

Between closing down his Twitter account, this article, and the new comments policy at Return of Kings that has resulted in a number of bans for veteran and new members alike, it is obvious that Roosh is extremely nervous over what the response of the left is going to be in the immediate future.

I also fear the response of a completely unbound left, that applies downward pressure from the legal and government system that it controls, and upward pressure from lawless anarchist elements like antifa ( note: I have yet to hear any mainstream media outlet under the word “antifa” even once).They are a United front, coordinated, with unlimited funding from taxpayers and “philanthropists.”

I don’t know how to respond to this situation, either. But, I am disheartened by the notion of the Red Pill in retreat. And that is where we are finding ourselves.

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Real simple response.

If the Left uses force, hit them back 10,000 times more brutally. Go after family members. Make it become a reality that their families will die in their homes if they continue.

Come up with the most savage brutal ways of killing them and do it.

Find a few leaders and “philanthropists”, and video what happens after you soak them in gasoline and burn them alive. How many Leftist officials would continue on their course if it meant one of their children would be burned alive?

Gouge out eyes, castration. Wood chippers. Hell, go Negan style and burn one of their faces through to the bone with a red hot iron.

Get one of them isolated in the woods and beat them to death with a whip made out of barbed wire and put it on liveleak.com.

We need 1,000,000 Anders Breiviks to be unleashed on the Left. Total genocide of the entire Left, forever. Every member of the press, every Google executive, every Leftist college professor, every feminist elementary school teacher. Total Rwanda-style genocide.

I’m too old for this shit — I have enough trouble keeping what I have, but I hope someone younger goes for it, or there won’t be a future for Western civilization.

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AWESOME!!!

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Roosh! Besides the articles you write once in a while, do you do anything else? Are you involved in other organizations? Do you still read and research certain topics(I mean besides about the articles you write)?

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I say if the Left supports violence, and the authorities support giving the Left a pass and crack down when the Right fights back, then it is time to take the fight to the Leftist authorities.

The next time some Leftist mayor or governor supports Antifa’s violence, find said politician’s children and burn them alive or toss them into a woodchipper. Lone wolf attacks. Make it a 100% certainty that if you are a politician supporting Antifa, you are condemning your own family to a horrifying death.

Kill enough of the family of Leftist politicians and it will shut thoseh fuckers down.

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“The next time some Leftist mayor or governor supports Antifa’s violence, then target that politician’s family for death. Wipe them out.”

We all know here that you are a pasty faced man who is blowing off steam; you are impotent to take your own advice. See, if you are going to make these statements, then back them up or shut the f— up.

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I’ll back them up. Starting with you. SE corner of North and Greenmount. Baltimore City. Monday, September 4, 2AM. Bring your weapon of choice, and I’ll bring mine.

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Righhhht? LOL. Stupid nerd. You’ll be in your mommy’s basement, popping pimples.

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I’m 49. Also ex-military. Also, armed to the teeth.

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Pasty faced man clinging on to school yard bullying tactics. You’re not rugged or tan or ex-military or armed to the teeth.

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And yet, I own a home, on a VA loan.

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Haha! I called him pasty as well. I am pasty, and that is fine for a woman. Men look better dark and rugged.

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I’m rugged and tan but not dark, and not pasty. I’ve been told I look a bit like Iain Glen (he plays Jorah Mormont on Game of Thrones) I work outside way too much (thousands of square feet of gardens and crops) to be mistaken for someone who sits in the basement playing videogames.

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LOL. Pale, limp-wristed nerds like you do will cry to mommy if real violence meets you at the front door.
Big talk from a video game playing geek.
There is more of us, than you, Nazi Nerd. Remember that. And yes, we have the better bombs. Your little guns won’t step our Predator Drones with Hellfire missiles.

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I’m not scared of communists or Muslims. I’ve killed people, unlike you. Go feed your cats, you stupid cunt. Its all you are good for. I’m ex military.

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An I’m anti-Nazi AND anti-Antifa. Know why? Because Nazis and Communists are both evil, both in-America, and both can fuck off and die.

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Lions aren’t concerned with being outnumbered by sheep.

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Yeah, this is truth. Not only do I disagree with neo-Nazi’s and racists, but without a doubt, their association with the right is what is holding us back.

The truth is, Nazi ideals are leftist and line up totally with liberals–they’re anti-capitalism, anti-gun ownership, they’re collectivists and populists, they’re anti-religion, they’re anti free speech and history, they’re pro forced wealth redistribution and socialism and they’re for discriminating against certain subpopulations in favor of others based on factors they can’t control.

This is also the precise platform and ideology of democrats. They are anti private gun ownership, they’re anti-religion, they’re anti-capitalist and pro socialism and collectivism, they’re pro affirmative action and discriminating against cis white people in favor of other groups, they’re pro forced wealth redistribution.

The only thing appealing to the “neo Nazis” on the right is the preponderance of working class people and lack of gay people and immigrants. The fact is, they’re leftists and have far more in common with liberal ideology. Antifa IS a bunch if fascists.

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“The truth is, Nazi ideals are leftist and line up totally with liberals…”

That is Fake News.

Were The Nazis Right-Wing? – or – Weimar Culture: The Insider As Outsider

“Romantic nationalism, strong religious beliefs, and anti-Semitism in these rural districts, along with economic problems, made rural populations perfect targets for Nazi propaganda. Playing upon an existing proclivity toward völkisch nationalism, the Nazis emphasized that the peasantry had a special status as the true nobility of Germany, because they were the purest form of the Volk and in essence the racial backbone of the nation. The Nazis claimed that Jewish bankers and capitalists, and the Marxists that controlled the government, were threatening the economic existence of this group. The Nazis promised the peasants agrarian reform, massive tax relief, and the elimination of indebtedness…”

“In the small towns, the Nazis presented themselves as allies of the traditional German right and not as revolutionaries. Their stated goal was the rejuvenation of Germany, and they relentlessly attacked the government and other parties as pawns of the Allies who had kept Germany as a slave among nations. Their previous Socialist rhetoric was quickly downplayed, as they portrayed themselves as the defenders of the middle classes and private property, threatened by Marxism, big business, and foreign financial control. Nazi anticapitalism, they explained, was directed only against the large corporations, the Jews, and international finance. Nazi speakers addressed middle-class problems, exploiting the fears and prejudices of this class, while propagandists saturated the towns with posters and leaflets. The Nazi tactic of penetration proved as successful in the towns as it was in the countryside, and they continued to infiltrate various organizations and to nazify them. They also managed to penetrate numerous middle-class professional, business, and student associations in the larger cities. The drive to attract middle-class individuals was partially due to Hitler’s desire to staff the party organization with more intelligent and more competent bureaucrats. The influx of educated members of the middle class into the party in the late twenties showed the positive results of this aspect of the recruitment campaign, just as continual growth in membership from the countryside was an encouraging sign for the rural strategy. ”

Simply put, the Nationalist socialists were conservative revolutionaries.