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I have no clue when a girl orgasms or not. Unless she tells me, your guess is as good as mine. I know there are some signs like a sudden change in vocalization (e.g. “I’m coming”) or a request for a one-minute break, but it’s impossible to be certain unless I ask. And while I’m curious how many multiple orgasms I did or did not give in a 30-minute period, I don’t ask.

If I ask, I’ll start focusing on her pleasure instead of doing my own thing, which — if I hear from her again — is good enough. The moment I try to please her is the moment I’ll end up pleasing both of us less.

P.S. I have not gone down on a woman since 2003.

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Haven’t gone down on a woman since 2003? What is wrong with you? A. for her pleasure, B. do you take no joy in it?

And more to the point, if you don’t know that they have, then they not having it.

I’m sad to have to tell you, that you should be able to feel it bro. LIke I said, if you don’t know, maybe you’re not doing it right….which appears to be your style 😉

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Every time.

respect.

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Sounds like you’re being a bit selfish. Making sure you get yours is fine, but ensuring that she enjoys it often leads to future rounds. Then again, maybe you don’t care about a second round, which would lead me to believe you’re only looking for the notch.

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I have a hypothesis that men who don’t go down on women are closeted homosexuals. It seems to me if you love vagina, then you’ll dive right in without hesitation. If it scares you away, then maybe it’s a dick you need.

Also, men who don’t go down on their women
tend to be those guys who just pound away, not even caring if the experience is mutually enjoyable. And if that’s the case, why bother with sex at all? Why not get a fleshlight and rub one out?

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“I have a hypothesis that men who don’t go down on women are closeted homosexuals. It seems to me if you love vagina, then you’ll dive right in without hesitation. If it scares you away, then maybe it’s a dick you need.”

That’s stupid. Refusing to go down is stupid too, though.

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if you’re just going for a notch, who cares about satisfying her.

women are just a warm place to masturbate.

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The first commenter is right, you should feel the girl’s muscles contracting around you…

Also, turnabout is fair play. Chances are, if you won’t go there, she won’t either.

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If you take care of her then she will want to return the favor tenfold.

If you give her an orgasm then imagine how grateful she would be. Then again you would feel her orgasm and WANT to give her more cause it’ll get you off too!

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About 90% of these commenters are full of shit. Listen, every time a women has an orgasim you dont “feel it”. It totally depends on the women, and everyone knows that is true.

Some women have a lot of muscle movement, some have very little. I have had many encounters where it was pretty clear she was having an orgasim, and others where she says something like “that was great, I really needed to get off”, and im like “you did?” and she was like, “you couldnt tell???”. Any asshole who plays like he is a master of every aspect of the sexual responses of a women is a liar.

My fiance and I have an agreement, we both say when we are going to, many times I can tell in advance, others I cant, it all depends on a variety of physiological reactions that no stupid ladies man frat boy has figured out.

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I miss you DCB

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roosh, i’m not sure what your beef is with going down. sure, if the chick is marginally attractive it’ll feel like work to you and maybe even supplication, but when you are in bed with a real hottie you’re gonna want to dive right in, especially if her pussy is just as pretty as her face. when i find the perfect pussy attached to a near-perfect face and body i go down for myself. a good rule of thumb is this: you’ll know you are batting way out of your league if you eat her out while she’s on the rag.

“you should feel the girl’s muscles contracting around you”

there is a lot of variety in how a woman’s body reacts to orgasmic transcendence. some arch their backs and freeze up. other contort their pelvises in fantastic gyrations. some will squeeze around you like a clam. still others will hold their breath not utter a peep. the vagina is a microcosm of the circus of spasms produced by the body. there is too much inconsistency there to know for certain that every girl’s O will cause her pussy to undulate like an overfed belly dancer.

“Also, turnabout is fair play. Chances are, if you won’t go there, she won’t either.”

not necessarily. this depends in large part on the partner attractiveness ratio. the hotter one partner is in proportion to the other partner, the more likely it is that the hotter one will get his/her way more often.

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Don’t expect a woman to go down on you, either.

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Roosh, your efforts at masculine posing sound increasingly forced. You should get your testosterone levels checked.

Also, only immature or insecure men think that going down on a (hygenic) woman is gross or degrading.

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Know what scares me even more than Roosh’s attempts at feigning testosterone poisoning?

People who can’t spell “orgasm”.

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Sigh. I have to agree with TSM. This is all becoming a bit trite. I mean, how often can we read about how men are great, women just matter as sex objects, fat people suck, yada, yada, yada?

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Well, this stupid ladies man frat boy has figured out that your ability to determine whether she’s having an orgasm or not is inversely proportional to how fast you’re banging her given that she’s not vocal. If she’s vocal, dude, it should be obvious. This semi-frightening post gives new meaning to the phrase “you wouldn’t know an orgasm if it came on your dick.” However, if she calls you back, more power to you. Hit that and blame her for not speaking up.

…Bitches, Man.

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Show me a man who won’t go down on a woman, and I’ll show you a man who’s woman I can take from him any day of the week.

I’m just sayin’. That’s all.

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Oops, spelled it wrong, that must ruin my entire comment, although I dont really know what spelling has to do with this post, except for the fact there is always someone who has no creative thoughts of their own and must instead point out typos of others.

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From Wiki:

In a human female orgasm, orgasm is preceded by moistening of the vaginal walls, and an enlargement of the clitoris due to increased blood flow trapped in the clitoris’s spongy tissue. Some women exhibit a sex flush, a reddening of the skin over much of the body due to increased blood flow to the skin. As a woman comes closer to having an orgasm, the clitoris moves inward under the clitoral hood, and the labia minora (inner lips) become darker. As orgasm becomes imminent, the vagina decreases in size by about 30% and also becomes congested from engorged soft tissue. The uterus then experiences muscular contractions. A woman experiences full orgasm when her uterus, vagina and pelvic muscles undergo a series of rhythmic contractions. The majority of women consider these contractions to be very pleasurable, although not all sexually active women experience this.

From Velvet:
Yep. That’s exactly how it happens. Those contractions are so strong that my own have been known to propel the penis out of me. Though, it didn’t get that intense for me until I was 28. I suspect if you can’t feel those contractions, then she’s faking. And I do hate to say it, but younger girls are more willing to please, and more apt to fake it. Of course not a hard and fast rule for all girls, I know, there are exceptions.

And as for the going down part, I really don’t care if a guy goes down or not. It doesn’t bother me in the least if he doesn’t want to. But I will tell you girls, that has GOT to be clean. I mean, CLEAN. It involves mirrors, q-tips, waxing and going sans undies to air it all out. If you don’t know what I mean, ask someone.

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Come give me a kiss baby! I won’t bite….most of the time.

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that’s a shame………….

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Whenever you’re ready Roosh.

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I dunno, Roosh, these last couple posts just seem like a strained attempt to sound like a badass again after hating on milk. Although…

“From Velvet:
Yep. That’s exactly how it happens. Those contractions are so strong that my own have been known to propel the penis out of me.”

… this post is so worth it just to get a girl to describe herself as a penis cannon. Fire in the hole!

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i fake it all the time. guys can never notice (or perhaps don’r care).

the contractions thing is true. believe whatever you need to believe to feel ok, but you should feel some contractions if she is really getting off.

the back arch, clutching you etc… yah that is not a sign of someone coming. it could be, but is just as likely to be fake. the contractions are the one true sign.

the problem is so many guys are terrible at oral.
too much porn….

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“P.S. I have not gone down on a woman since 2003.”

Fag.

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people get called Fag, for going down aswell. So your comment is retarded

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“the back arch, clutching you etc? yah that is not a sign of someone coming.”

it is when you can tell the difference. true vulnerability is hard to mask… and harder still to fake.

“the contractions are the one true sign.”

with a plethora of precise scientific instruments at your disposal, perhaps. in the real world where the shaft of the cock serves as the pressure-sensitive tool, women’s orgasmic contractions vary from reverse penis-propulsion to imperceptible.

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What about female ejaculation? How many guys will go south on a chick they just met? I wouldn’t until I date her a bit. Did eat a chick out once at the beach on a ONS and learned later she was screwing all the guys at the beach. Blech! I would say that chicks have it easier smoking my pole than me attempting the thousand and one ways to figure out if she is being pleasured by my tongue.

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not going down on a woman might have something to do with the inability to i.d. an orgasm

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Sorry. There is no one-size-fits-all-description of the female orgasm. Do you people even know what you’re saying, or realize how lazy you are citing wikipedia? of all things?

I have had 4 LTRs. I assume that if you keep a girl around for more than a few months, the chances she’s lying about orgasming are heavily reduced. Each girl was very different in terms of the mannerisms when orgasming, whether they could go multiple, how flushed their face got, etc.

On another subject, what’s happened with Rooshy?

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Just to set the record straight, four (4) LTR’s puts you in the Freshman class as experience goes. You’ve got the idea, but have much work left before you’re ready to expound in public.

Please take a minute and let that information soak.

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Whaaaaaaa?! Ben’s Chili Bowl rocks!

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Roosh is still king

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When you meet the woman you’re meant to marry…you’ll eat it and you’ll like it.

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Geez, I think Cookie nailed it there. But typically most guys are informed about these matters via brief semaphore messages by their loving partners. So know that if she’s not got at least a flag set, she’s not the gal for you. And the other business? It’s the beard dude. It’s just confusing as hell to most of them. Word. ‘VJ’

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Ok, here’s a female perspective on this: I have different intensities of orgasm. With the same guy, even on the same night, I can have an orgasm that is good, but not great and then also have ones that are simply amazing. So here’s the thing — if it is just a “good” one, the guy I’m with probably won’t know that I had it. However, The dude knows when I’ve had a GREAT orgasm. And everytime someone goes down on me it is a “great” one. That always beats everything else.

So if you don’t know, chances are, yes, she’s having an orgasm, but it probably isn’t as good for her as it could be.

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LOL!!! at DC Cookie!

agreed

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The men with the best going-down skills, as far as my experience, are older — perhaps they have been around the block a few times and have figured out what keeps women coming back for more. As a woman in her 20s, I dated two men over 40 and one over 35. All immediately went down on me and were good at it. Made me more than happy to return the favor. Roosh, you don’t know what you’re missing. On the did-she-or-didn’t-she, can’t we all agree we’re just different?

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Nice. Woohoo. 4 LTR’s. Never said the number of one-nighters I’ve had.

Thanks for assuming.

I’ll go ask the wife and see if she’s sexified.

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