For the world to get to how it is today, with the nearly complete elimination of tradition in favor of a globohomo world where pedophilia is becoming normalized, conservatives have had to lose every meaningful cultural war in the history of man. When someone declares themselves a conservative, they’re in fact stating that they are a loser, someone who is meant to take the fall when the left comes attacking.
Conservatives have lost on every battlefront: free speech, the military, the universities, marriage, nuclear family, child education, the media, the government, Boy Scouts, business, law and justice, Christianity, patriarchy, immigration, the welfare state, and capitalism. The right to bear arms is the only battle they’re not losing in a rout, but I’m confident they will lose that too within a decade’s time. Conservative institutions are being infiltrated and subverted, or have disappeared off the face of the earth, and there is no sign of them ever coming back.
Why are conservatives such losers? Because they desire to merely hold the line while their enemy rushes at them full speed. They don’t want to conquer new lands, kill their enemy, or inflict real harm. They want to maintain the status quo while the left froths at the mouth to win, energized with momentum and passion. The left is so dissatisfied at the state of the world because of their deep-seated inner dysfunction that they put their entire being into trying to make it better. They don’t know how to enjoy their lives so they have to attack the lives of others.
Conservatives, on the other hand, have no momentum or passion. They just want to be left alone, which makes them easy pickings for a collective that is hellbent on achieving their nightmare utopia. In the end, conservatives are the Spartans in 300 who have trained their entire lives to lose the battle, even if they are pound-for-pound stronger than their enemy.
Conservatives have also shown to be comically susceptible to leftist ideas when it’s presented as “human rights.” Two decades ago, the vast majority of conservatives would have stood against gay marriage, but a few years of cheesy “love is love” commercials was all it took for them to change their mind. Their motto of “live and let live” is only reasonable to hold if their enemy believed the same. They give the crying baby its bottle and from that milk it gets fat and strong and decides to kill the entire family. Conservatives don’t understand that giving an inch to the left eventually results in absolute defeat. They have to psychotically refuse to give any ground, even if practical logic or fairness is staring them in the face, but we know they won’t do that.
Another problem conservatives face is technology, which is not agnostic but rather liberating. It allows man to rely less on traditions, family, social bonds, and religion, all things that the left hates. The more technology you have, the more you can be an atomized unit in a little urbanized box, reliant only on your service job and digital device to keep you alive and somewhat sane while using Uber and Lyft to travel in and out of your self-imposed quarantine zone. Because of technology, the conservatism of today is merely the liberalism of twenty years ago. I challenge you to find a single attractive “conservative” girl who hasn’t tried Tinder or engaged in abundant pre-marital sex. Look at the life of any self-professed conservative and odds are you’ll find a rather cosmopolitan existence that is far removed from nature and rural living.
The biggest reason why conservatives will continue to lose is that they’re still not ready to kill the left even though the left is ready to kill them. Liberals have been getting conservatives fired on a daily basis while suing their businesses out of existence while the conservative loser merely whines about it on Twitter. You may hate the left, but if you wouldn’t dare even punching them in the face because you fear losing your life of comfort, you will lose. If you’re not prepared to kill your enemy while your enemy is busy killing you, you will lose. It’s that simple. Some think that conservatives have to feel a sense of hopelessness to fight back, but by then there will be nothing left worth fighting for.
You don’t have to be a historian to know that conservatives will continue to lose. Simple take a look back 50, 100, or 500 years to see how much ground they’ve lost, and amplify that by a factor of ten thanks to technology if you want to imagine how much ground they will lose in the next 50, 100, or 500 years. They are such losers that if you see any sort of organized conservative “uprising” in the years to come, it will surely be a carefully managed scheme by the elites to usher in yet another monumental conservative defeat, just like we saw in the last few years with the alt right’s astonishing rise and then disastrous defeat in Charlottesville at the hands of their more capable enemies.
Since I know conservatives will not win, I do not identify as one, because I don’t see myself as a loser. I will stay under the radar and live with no label, and let the communists on the left defeat the losers on the right like they have been doing for centuries.
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Roosh, long time ago you said you loved liberalism because it enabled you to fuck American women without much work.
Oh honey. Roosh writes for fame and $, not actual ideals.
A long time ago you sucked on mommy’s tit for food. Then you didn’t have to anymore, right? See the analogy bright boy? People evolve. Deal.
Yeah. But people change their views over time.
You can love a system and hate a system at the same time.
Conservatism as an ideology is dying because the source of where it got most of its intensity, the Christian church, is dying. Churches have spent a couple decades embracing feel good inclusive progressivism instead of the convicting challenging (fire / brimstone) exclusive traditionalism to get more people in their doors and discourage others from leaving. I don’t know what the answer is — but our trajectory as a country is unsustainable…many people see no outcome other than a civil war and breakup of the United States into a progressive country and traditional country.
If Christians want the fire and brimstone God, they have to start paying attention to the Old Testament. Most don’t because living up to the requirements of the Old Testament would be onerous, to say the least.
Please refrain from commenting about Christianity until you have at least learned the very basics. Christians follow the New Covenant, and no, the New Covenant is not synonymous with the New Testament. Show me one thing within Christianity that I do not follow, or at least try to follow. Good luck.
Yes, it’s pretty tedious when Christ haters trot out the OT to prove how Christians are supposedly hypocrites. For anyone who doesn’t know, the main point of the NT is that the law of Moses is fulfilled in Christ and the OT rules don’t apply to Christians.
So why the fuck both reprinting all that obsoloete bullshit in every bible?as if 95% of a Chrsistian congregation don’t fuck outside of holy matrimony, lie, steal Cheryl gimme a fucking break, hypocrisy
Google would be a good place to start. Try something like “why is the OT relevant to Christians today.”
No real Christian talks about how wonderful they are. Instead, they talk about their shortcomings, how Christ redeemed them in spite of said shortcomings, and how they are striving to do better.
Anyone who rejects Christianity is a “hater”? Go whine somewhere else, triggered soyboy
I’ll give you a pass if English isn’t your first language. Otherwise I’ll assume you have some kind of brain damage that’s destroyed your reading comprehension.
So your brand of Christianity is the right one?
Where have I talked about my Christian denomination being the right one? Why do atheists have to lie all the time and why can’t you reason with basic logic?
The core of Christianity has been identical and unbroken since the birth of Christianity. The differences between the classical Christian denominations are minor and will not effect the normal Christian life for a believer in any significant way. Not so with atheism. You can behave and do whatever the hell you want and still be a good atheist, unless you worship and believe in a theistic God, of course.
Uh huh, wanton killing is no problem for a Christian, just have that military chaplain expl8ai why those 2 year old “enemy ” kids need to die. If from bombs you need not even see the shredded bodies
Maybe you’d come in your pants with excitement if you did, though
Your own psychological mental garbage and sexual perversions are shining through in your comment. Undocumented and unsubstantiated as all you have is lies and a cartoonish understanding of the world. In true atheist ape style.
Oh..”try”..?? LOL like not committing adultery or fornication? Well, those feel good, so they ‘re OK
Always fun to see atheist apes try to formulate a logically sound argument. You fail every time.
I agree that we need some belief system. But it can`t be a belief system based on a Jewish God-figure. I have no problem with Jews, nor the God(s) they worship, but they will forever have us by the balls if we accept their God as our saviour etc.
Conservatives refuse to acknowledge this, due to their hardwired religious brainwashing. it`s a similar brainwashing to that of the radical left. I don`t know of any solution to this either. Embracing rationality-Philosophy sounds good on paper, but most people are too stupid for that to work so…
Except the Christian God isn’t the Jewish God. Jews reject the divinity of Christ. They worship something else entirely.
Christian Europe was never a fan of Jews. Just look at the pogroms, etc.It’s ‘Rationality-Philosophy’ which got us into the situation we are in today.
-The jew Jesus was supposedly the son of the Abrahamic (Jewish) God. So it`s still a Jewish God,(s) no matter how you see it.
-Do you see a lot of rationality in Marxist-Feminism? I certainly don`t.
Please explain logically how an eternal being that existed before the beginning of time and is the creator of all things seen and unseen, belongs solely to a special group of people that came into existence long time after the earth and the universe was created. Please use logic only and not your usual low-IQ empty and recycled atheist slogans. Go ahead and good luck.
Vox Day had a good word for these people: “Midwits”.
Vox Day is great. God Bless him!
Logic..and religion are antithetical. .WTF are you even talking about?
ALL logicians throughout history, that formed the discipline were believers, you idiot. Not atheist apes. Again you atheist apes take your own ignorant delusions right out off your ass and present them as “facts”.
Hey how about the norse gods, the aztec gods, the hindu gods , the greek and roman gpds, whatever other fantasies human imagination could create
Jews only had us at our balls AFTER we ditched Christianity and embraced atheism and neo-paganism. Show me the atheist equivalent of Martin Luther’s On Jews and Their Lies. How can Jesus Christ be Jewish when He is eternal before the beginning of time and thus long time before there were any Jews. He was born into a Jewish household and followed the Old Covenant. But He is for all mankind. Based on your comment, truly you are the ignorant and brainwashed one. Christianity gave us Christendom, the greatest civilization the world has ever seen. Atheist apes gave us nothing but death and decay. From the Reign of Terror in France to the Killing Fields in Cambodia.
Civilization came from rationality, not faith. The renaissance was a rediscovery of the rational “light” that was started by the Greeks mostly, and then built upon by other Europeans eventually. There has “always” been religion, but it was the embracing of rational thought that gradually led to a more sophisticated society, interspersed by periods of religious dogmas dominating society. It`s always been an uphill battle for people who look at the world for what it is, whether it was Galileo, Democritus, Giordano Bruno, Darwin etc.
Rome was great without Christianity, (So was many other pre-Christian civilizations. In fact you could argue that Christianity and it`s soft values where a Zionist weapon/Psy-op. propagandized in order to weaken Rome, who of course occupied Jewish territory. It`s in fact similar to Marxist-Feminism in many ways, and it comes from the same source. The values of new testament Christianity are diametrically opposite to those of the Roman empire, and to those of modern Western civilization. Love thy neighbour, forgive “sinners,” don`t plan for tomorrow, turn the other cheek etc. How do you maintain a large military with that? How do you defend long prison sentences and the death penalty?
All things of value in Western civilization comes from our genetic heritage, and from looking beyond petty superstitions and instead embracing science and rational thought.
//Civilization came from rationality, not faith.//
Unfounded garbage from atheist la-la land. First of all, your statement is a false dichotomy fallacy. Secondly, if what you are saying we would find the majority of civilizations being founded on atheism. We don’t find that, In fact we don’t find a single society based on godless, soulless rationality. Far less a civilization. This thanks to the rabid,idiotic and utterly dysfunctional subjective morality and moral relativism logically inherent within atheism. This gave us the the insane your-truth and my-truth garbage that is plagueing the West.
//The renaissance was a rediscovery of the rational “light” that was started by the Greeks mostly, //
Lies from your gay Marxist college (((professor))) or in your case, from our rabid atheist and hard left state broadcaster NRK. So explain more how Christians in Italy and Byzantine suddenly “discovered” Greek and Roman literature. We had the scientific revolution before the Enlightenment, so your science versus Christianity claim is absurd. The Catholic church started and founded the universities and empirical science.
//Galileo, Democritus, Giordano Bruno, Darwin //
That’s all you have. In a the 2000 year old history of a whole civilization you have four names in your fake Christianity versus science battle. Again you are brainwashed by Marxists and Jews. Fact is that Christianity has the basis for science and not atheism.
1. Linear concept of time (In the beginning, God…)
2. Fix natural Laws with a lawgiver (God)
3. Cosmos and order by God, instead of chaos
4, Promise in the Bible that God is rational and we can find and learn about Him through studying nature.
This is why Christendom had science, not an atheistic civilization.
//Rome was great without Christianity//
Rome was not quantitative different from the Persian Empire, the Egyptian Civilization, the Chinese civilization etc. Only Christendom was dominating in an order of magnitude the whole world in ALL areas of civilizational parameters. Atheism in itself could not even produce a village based on selfish-genes morality and godless atheism.
//In fact you could argue that Christianity and it`s soft values where a Zionist weapon/Psy-op. propagandized in order to weaken Rome, who of course occupied Jewish territory. It`s in fact similar to Marxist-Feminism in many ways, and it comes from the same source.//
Insane conspiracy rambling
// The values of new testament Christianity are diametrically opposite to those of the Roman empire, and to those of modern Western civilization//
Reading this, it is clear that you have not read and understood the Bible, not read a single book within systematic theology. I smell (((pop culture))), brainwash and ignorance.
1. //Love thy neighbour, forgive “sinners,” //
This is for individuals, not nations. Your military comment is utterly failed. We as a civilization functioned far better with forgiveness and
social cohesion from Christianity compared to Islam, China etc that values brutality and strength over fairness. History proves you wrong.
2. //Love thy neighbour, forgive “sinners,” //
Liar. Where did you find that in the Bible.
3. //How do you defend long prison sentences//
Where are they in the Bible?
4. //death penalty//
Commandment in Christianity is against murder and not judgement by society. God himself implanted capital punishment in the Old Covenant.
//All things of value in Western civilization comes from our genetic heritage, and from looking beyond petty superstitions and instead embracing science and rational thought.//
Yeah, Sweden and Norway are doing so great now, with our genetic heritage and embracing science and rational thought. Unlike when we were Christian nations, we are inviting in and paying for our invaders and rapists. We are in danger of becoming extinct and our culture and history annihilated. Thanks a lot godless and godhating atheist apes. You destroyed Scandinavia within a few decades. . Traitors.
-Four names? Examples. Does that compute? Do you want me to list all notable thinker`s that where not self-identified Christians throughout history?
-All societies have religion. All have different Gods. Hence it`s a part of our evolutionary heritage. (Instinct for following leaders, a consequence of evolving a large brain etc.) Hence Gods are an illusion. The same is true for morality, moral objectivism, altruism etc. It can all be explained by evolved traits. Helping a tribe member helps the tribe as a whole, increases chances of survival also for you and your offspring. Traits like these have evolved, so they are part of who we are. But you don`t need a God to explain them.
– “Insane conspiracy rambling”
You know I was onto something there but you don`t have any arguments to counter. The core values of Rome, (A society founded on male rationality, and at it`s height more sophisticated in some ways than the modern world today) was strength, honour, patriarchy, dominance etc. All values that are at odds with the teachings of the new testament.
-I get banned if I utter a word on NRK`s comment section. You would fit right in however. Religious people like to take everything on faith. It`s the exact same attitude I get from you, as when I`m debating a Marxist. They are the same ideology, and they both come from the same source as I said. Screw evidence, forget logic and reason, take it all of faith.
-“God himself implanted capital punishment in the Old Covenant.” Which God was that again? The JEWISH God.
-“Love thy neighbour, forgive “sinners,” //
Liar. Where did you find that in the Bible.”
Oh, so it`s about semantics now, turn the other cheek, the golden rule, do unto others…
-The teaching of Jesus also contradict those of the old Testament in pretty much all ways imaginable. The bible in fact is chock full of contradictions, since it`s a heavily edited collection of texts, from many different author`s, as well as cultures/tribes.
-Scandinavia (which is a quite successful part of the world) has traded one superstition for another. I don`t like either. The high living standards are more a consequence of genetics than anything else. “We” have never given up faith, now it`s the State and women that are being worshipped.
I could go on, but your irrationality bore me I`m sorry to say…
//Do you want me to list all notable thinker`s that where not self-identified Christians throughout history?//
Your point was Christianity versus science. In the whole 2000 year old history of a whole civilization you have four names. None of them were really about science. We can study them more thoroughly if you want to. I challenged you to name more names than those four and you lied and tried to move the goalpost to naming non-Christian thinkers everywhere throughout history. Very dishonest.
// Hence Gods are an illusion.//
You had just some words. No logical conclusion. Not even close. With your evolving theory, we should have a higher and better morality than we did a few decades ago when we had Christianity. We don’t. We are crashing into moral decay. Our civilization is imploding. Hence your theory and rambling about “evolving” are false.
More delusional rant from you:
//was strength, honour, patriarchy, dominance etc. All values that are at odds with the teachings of the new testament.//
A. So you believe Christian martyrs that we have seen daily in the Iraq and Syria, including children and women, are weak? Despite torture, rape and having their heads cut off? Christians in Egypt survived more than 1000 years of Muslim occupation. Christians have 200 000 martyrs per year. Solzhenitsyn in The Gulag Archipelago stated that Russia had millions of Christian martyrs. That Russia had women as strong as the Church in the first century. Where are your atheist ape martyrs. How strong are you? How many of you have died for your atheism? My guess is that you will nearly all convert to Islam in a heartbeat, that’s also why the majority of you are inviting them in. Like atheist Sweden. You godless and soulless atheists are weak, cowardly and traitors to Europe.
B. Christian men are the spiritual head if the family, the leader, protector and provider. Women are forbidden to wear men’s clothes. What about you weak atheist animals and your men? Weakest men in the history of mankind. Most manly women in the history of mankind.
C. Christendom dominated the whole world during colonialism. What about atheist West today? We are inviting our Muslim invaders in and anyone standing up for Western Civilization will be thrown in jail. You atheist apes created the weakest Europe history has ever seen. You are traitors.
//You would fit right in however//
Insane accusation. NRK and the Norwegian labour party hate and despise devout Christian men. We are their main enemy. Not you, atheist ape.
//The JEWISH God.//
Retarded argument. Just like the pagans, you believe God, the creator of the universe and life on earth, are a local God and belongs to a specific unwashed, flea infested pagan tribe. Ridiculous
//don`t plan for tomorrow//
This is a lie. Where did you find that in the Bible. Chapter and verse, please.
//The teaching of Jesus also contradict those of the old Testament in pretty much all ways imaginable. The bible in fact is chock full of contradictions, since it`s a heavily edited collection of texts//
More absolute rubbish from you. I already stated that you have not read and understood the Bible. Not read a single book within systematic theology. Name the books you have read to reach your utterly false and psycho-infantile “conclusion”. Your gay Marxist college (((professor))) must be so proud of you. He brainwashed you well.
//We” have never given up faith, now it`s the State and women that are being worshipped.//
You atheist apes always end up worship man (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot etc) and the state. For you to blame that on Christianity is insane, but consistent with your level of intellectual dishonesty. Traitor.
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// full of contradictions,//
I have seen your stupid claims and examples, atheist ape. There are books dealing with them. They are called Bible difficulties. Often is a deep theological truth hidden there. So I like them. Based on your ignorant comment, and typical atheist behaviour, I am totally sure you haven’t read a single book within Bible difficulties. You atheists really ARE the useful idiots for the Jews and globalists in the quest to destroy our civilization.
// heavily edited collection of texts//
Rubbish. When and where do you find those editions? Documentation.
//from many different author`s, as well as cultures/tribes.//
Garbage from Biblical criticism in Germany in the last 1800s. Rejected by modern academia as pure fantasy and innate speculations. Illogical and with zero documentation.
Name ONE good thing we got in Norway from your dysfunctional and retarded atheism. It took you rabid atheists just few decades to destroy Norway. No wonder the Jews and globalists just love you. Traitors.
“Atheist ape”
. That pure Cristian love shines through. By their fruits ye shall know them, love, faith, patience , etc
If those are the fruits, no thanks
You atheist apes smashed the greatest civilization the world has ever seen, Christendom. And you couldn’t care less, it even gave most of you so much joy. Same with slaughtering, killing and torturing innocent people. More than 100 million within less than 100 years. More than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind. From the Reign of Terror in France to the Killing Fields. You atheist gave the world nothing but death and decay. You are of course OK with that, but Dawkins forbid that anyone call you an atheist ape. Which is factual, by the way. Atheists love to tell me that I, like them,am nothing but a walking ape. So you atheist idiots take it as an insult if I use your won terminology and world-view?
If you want to judge Christianity, you must do it by its book, the Bible, historical and present theology and the civilization, Christendom, the greatest civilization the world has ever seen. As an intellectual charlatan and immoral atheist ape, you of course ignore that, and base everything on some guy you found on the internet. And of course I got another atheist animal that can not debate with facts and logic,but must retort to spewing personal attacks and mudslinging. In true atheist ape style. You are idiots. See link.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/14/pew-religious-nones-tend-to-be-undereducated-poor-white-males/
You atheist apes smashed the greatest civilization the world has ever seen, Christendom.
Which Christendom(s)? The one in 732 AD at Tours and the one in 1683 AD at Vienna? No doubt, those were glorious times and places for the Christendom, courtesy of two of the greatest Catholics who ever lived. #martel #sobieski
But dafook happened afterwards? Seriously, how the greatest civilization the world has ever seen possibly got smashed by some apes? Must had been a bunch of helluva apes.
And you couldn’t care less, it even gave most of you so much joy. Same with slaughtering, killing and torturing innocent people.
Don’t look at me dawg. I do have blood on my hands from murdering rats and vipers, but not people, so far.
More than 100 million within less than 100 years. More than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind. From the Reign of Terror in France to the Killing Fields.
Err dude………based on time-span alone, your gobbledygook is unconvincing. Ya see, the Reign of Terror in France was circa 1792, whereas the Cambodian Killing Fields was circa 1978 so ’twas 200 years instead of 100 years as per your claim.
Pol Pot was an atheist, no argument there. But Maximilien Robespierre and Bertrand Barère??? Yo dawg, Karl Marx wasn’t even born yet when Robespierre and Barère were busy rolling heads yaw!
You atheist gave the world nothing but death and decay. You are of course OK with that, but Dawkins forbid that anyone call you an atheist ape. Which is factual, by the way.
Nah dawg, death and decay ain’t cool, especially when it is I who is at the receiving end of ’em.
BTW, Dawkins (PBUH) is NOT infallible, he shouldn’t have objected to the term’athist ape’. Steel and bombs may break my bones, but words will never hurt me, no?
Atheists love to tell me that I, like them,am nothing but a walking ape. So you atheist idiots take it as an insult if I use your won terminology and world-view?
Fair is fair, you get to call ’em atheist ape, they get to call you Christian ape.
If you want to judge Christianity, you must do it by its book, the Bible, historical and present theology and the civilization, Christendom, the greatest civilization the world has ever seen.
Actually, they can judge you whatever and however they see fit.
IAs an intellectual charlatan and immoral atheist ape, you of course ignore that, and base everything on some guy you found on the internet.
No at all, I base my judgment on some Christian ape on the internet who said that Christendom, the greatest civilization the world has ever seen got smashed by some atheist apes! I mean, sheeeiitt, either ’twas a bunch of helluva atheist apes or that Christian ape has a severe case of cognitive dissonance.
And of course I got another atheist animal that can not debate with facts and logic,but must retort to spewing personal attacks and mudslinging. In true atheist ape style. You are idiots. See link.
Well, that’s what you get for wandering off from your original habitat. Had you stayed put and hang around with your fellow Christian apes at some Christian sites, none of this would ever happen. What a good Christian ape like you doing on a PUA website btw?
People avoid debating atheists, like the plague. For good reasons. Pic related.
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Your comment is riddled with straw man fallacies. Just to take two of them.
Why only two?? Why doncha take ALL of them??? WHY?? For the love of God and Allah, WHY???
1. I make two different arguments. One regarding atheists giving only death and destruction when they are in power (Reign of Terror to Killing Fields). The other one is that no religion or political philosophy have killed more people within a time span of 100 years (with no time constraint, atheism predominantly 100 years would have to compete with Islam 1400 years. That would be a false and illogical comparison).
Is there any evidence justifying the conclusion that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and other communist tyrants did their evil deeds specifically because of their atheism? Is there any atheist doctrines, atheist holy book that enjoined them to take actions that led to the death of so many people?
The slander that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc did what they did due to atheism is not backed up by any evidence linking the lack of belief with the misdeed. It is merely guilt by association. These men (most likely, but we don’t know for certain), were atheists, therefore atheism is to blame.
So, if we’re going to operate on a guilt-by-association basis, then all the deaths that happened by the actions, wars begun by, orders given by leaders who happened to be theist; then we have to lay those deaths and harms at the feet of those religions.
All the world wars – the deaths that occurred at the hands of nations with Christian leaders, those must be laid at the feet of Christianity. The people who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The bombing of Dresden. All the people who died in World War I in the trenches and gas attacks – all must be laid at the feet of Christianity. All the people who were killed by the Nazis in the Soviet Union – the millions and millions of people – all must be blamed on Christianity. The US Civil War, the Spanish Civil War, these were all Christian leaders, therefore Christianity is to blame. Guilt by association. Good ol’ Adolf was a Catholic. Therefore the Holocaust must be blamed on the Catholic religion. During the genocide of the Native Americans. Christian leaders were presidents and generals and politicians, therefore it’s all the fault of Christianity. Same with slavery. Virtually all the slaveholders in good ol’ Murica were Christians – therefore it’s all Christianity’s fault.
Dude, if we are to ignore double-standards, and judge religion by the same standard as atheism the way you are doing – then I’ll stack atheism’s death toll against religion’s any day. And not just Christianity, I mean ALL religions – including the religions of the Huns, Jihadists, Ottomans, Assyrians, Goths, Scythians, Vikings, Zulus, Hutus, Aztecs, Mongols, Romans, Spartans, Sassanids, Lombards, Vandals, Rajputs, Nazis, Japanese Imperial Army, Conquistadores, Marathas, Mamluks, etc etc.
Of course, that isn’t fair to either – now is it? An ideology or belief system should not be judged purely by whether or not people of that ideology did something bad. We should judge by whether or not this ideology, belief system, or even in the case of atheism, the non-belief, can be directly linked to the bad action.
So, what deaths, genocides, etc., can be logically connected to atheism? I would say NONE. Atheism is solely and totally, a single answer to a single question: Do you believe in God, to which the answer is NO, we do not. That’s it. That’s all atheism is. There’s no doctrines that tell us any believers must be killed.
The same is NOT true with religion. There are many conflicts and wars, where the deaths can be directly linked with religion. Inquisitions, jihads, crusades, terrorist attacks, witch burnings, religious wars that are specifically over religion, or commanded by a religion’s holy book. #quran
2. I say they can’t judge Christendom, based on one person, but must use Bible, theology, history etc. You say that they can judge me whoever they want. I never said they could not judge me, I explicit talked about Christendom.
Well, mea culpa then….OMG! I can’t even………so…you were talking explicitly about the Christendom, huh? Well, let’s talk about the Christendom then, shall we? How on God’s green earth the so-called “the greatest civilization the world has ever seen” possibly got smashed by some atheist apes? Please do enlighten me, oh godly one.
The rest of your comment is of same caliber with fallacies and (deliberate?) misunderstandings.
Feel free to like totally elaborate them literally by using your superior Christian logic and moral, oh godly one.
And oh, what a good and godly Christian boy like you doing on a PUA website btw? Shouldn’t you congregate with your fellow Christians on some Christian sites, and try to rationalize that Jesus was only joking when He said that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. So that you can continue hoarding wealth while feeling smug and safe that you’d still go to heaven after you bite the dust, ashes to ashes and all that shit? LOL
There are so many logical errors and false claims in your comment that I can not take them all. Nevertheless;
1. This IS a doctrine in atheism, as subjective morality and moral relativism are LOGICALLY inherent within atheism. Atheism is also a deeply materialistic philosophy, leading many of its adherents to ramble on that nations and borders are just some scribble on a map, and history is just meaningless in a pure materialistic perspective. This leads most of atheists to embrace hedonism, nihilism and a disdain for non-materialistic values like meaning from beauty, history and culture.
2. Actions going AGAINST the teaching of Jesus Christ CAN NOT be used against Christianity. You can’t say Christianity is the source, when the teaching and moral foundation is the opposite. Very dishonest argumentation. With subjective morality and zero moral standard in atheism, you can do whatever the hell you want. You can kill, rape and torture more than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind, as you did the last 100 years, and still be a good atheist.
3. Name all the evil deeds I am commanded to do from the teaching of Jesus Christ. Give me the chapter and verse.
4. As so typical for you atheists, you butchered the Bible quote and your half truth is a full lie. It starts with for a rich man it is impossible to come into heaven, needle-camel etc, but it ends with the part you left out, – for God all things are possible.
5. Roosh is a brilliant thinker. Unlike current pseudo-philosophers from academia, he is testing his philosophy against hands-on and real life experiences. He is also standing up for Western Civilization and has been very unfairly treated by Jews, politicians, mass-media etc, as a consequence. He will always have my support for that. Besides, he is very funny. Great analytical mind.
There are so many logical errors and false claims in your comment that I can not take them all. Nevertheless;
Not even with your superior Christian logic? How sad. Great rebuttal though, simply states that the opposing side has so many logical errors and false claims, without having to elaborate and point them out. I think I can learn a thing or two from thee. *WINK WINK* *NUDGE NUDGE* LOL
1. This IS a doctrine in atheism, as subjective morality and moral relativism are LOGICALLY inherent within atheism. Atheism is also a deeply materialistic philosophy, leading many of its adherents to ramble on that nations and borders are just some scribble on a map, and history is just meaningless in a pure materialistic perspective. This leads most of atheists to embrace hedonism, nihilism and a disdain for non-materialistic values like meaning from beauty, history and culture.
There are so many logical errors and false claims in thy nonsense above, so much so, that I can’t even be bothered to address ’em. YAY! I win!
2. Actions going AGAINST the teaching of Jesus Christ CAN NOT be used against Christianity. You can’t say Christianity is the source, when the teaching and moral foundation is the opposite. Very dishonest argumentation.
Evil deeds committed by atheists CAN NOT be used against atheism. Thou can’t say atheism is the source, since atheism is simply an unbelief on the existence of God. Atheism is not “do ABC and you’ll get heaven” or “don’t do XYZ or you’ll get hell”. Atheism is simply not giving a shit and a hoot whether God/Allah/Zeus/Odin/Thor/Hercules/Superman/Thanos/ Tengri/Darkseid/Doomsday/Decepticon/Galactus exists beyond human imagination or not.
Thou can’t say that because atheists don’t believe that the do-gooder Superman actually exists IRL then atheists are commanded by the non-existant atheist bible to behave like the evil-doer Lex Luthor – arguably the arc nemesis of Superman..
With subjective morality and zero moral standard in atheism, you can do whatever the hell you want. You can kill, rape and torture more than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind, as you did the last 100 years, and still be a good atheist.
*YAWN*
Explain then why Darwin, Hitchens, Dawkins, Sam Harris, Stephen Hawking, Paul Kurtz, Peter Atkins, Paul Zachary Myers, Dan Barker, William B. Provine, Peter Singer, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Patricia Churchland, Michel Onfray, Richard Carrier, Jerry Coyne, Fang Zhouzi, Jennifer Michael Hecht, Victor Stenger, Philip Roth, Martin Amis, Ian McEwan, Michel Houellebecq, Philip Pullman, Ophelia Benson, Sumitra Padmanabhan, Susan Blackmore, Michael Shermer, Michael Newdow, Ray Kurzweil, David Silverman; hadn’t killed, raped, tortured anyone?
By thy “logic”, all those people above possess subjective morality and zero moral standard because they’re atheists. And they should have killed, raped, tortured more than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind.
3. Name all the evil deeds I am commanded to do from the teaching of Jesus Christ. Give me the chapter and verse.
JC was a cool dude, He taught and exhorted no evil. I look up to Him as a fellow MGTOW and as the greatest MGTOW that ever lived.
Rather than commanding ye to do evil deeds, JC commands ye to not judge.
Matthew 7:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Needless to say, ye clearly and spectacularly failed at the non-judgmental department. LOL
4. As so typical for you atheists, you butchered the Bible quote and your half truth is a full lie. It starts with for a rich man it is impossible to come into heaven, needle-camel etc, but it ends with the part you left out, – for God all things are possible.
I get it, thou like hoarding wealth despite thy holier-than-thou “atheists are deeply materialistic”. Lucky for us all, JC was a cool guy who fathomed that even the supposedly followers of His teachings, aka the likes of ye, can’t be bothered to look down upon wealth like He did. If JC likes wealth, He would’ve chosen to be born in a palace instead of a manger. BTW, how many “Christian” women use a man’s earning power as the primary yardstick when looking for a potential husband, instead of how Christ-like a man is? They can all swear upon the Bible and lie through their teeth, but JC knows what’s truly in their deeply materialistic hearts.
Anyhow:
Matthew 19:23-26 King James Version (KJV)
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
If that’s the case, then it is also possible for atheists or even satan himself to enter the kingdom of heaven. Just make sure ye never forget the magic mantra – with God ALL things are possible.
5. Roosh is a brilliant thinker. Unlike current pseudo-philosophers from academia, he is testing his philosophy against hands-on and real life experiences. He is also standing up for Western Civilization and has been very unfairly treated by Jews, politicians, mass-media etc, as a consequence. He will always have my support for that. Besides, he is very funny. Great analytical mind.
I would argue that Roosh is more of an agnostic or perhaps even an atheist rather than a theist. Either way, hanging out at his website trumps hanging out at Christian websites, no argument there. Hallelujah!
And may the Force be with you, inshallah.
As always debating with you atheists, the hardest part is that you don’t understand even basic logic and have not even fundamental knowledge. If you want to criticize a religion or philosophy you can not use the actions of individuals going against the moral rules of that religion or philosophy. That would be just as absurd as blaming atheism for a guy claiming to be an atheist, while he is killing people for Allah in a holy war (jihad). Your examples are clearly against the teaching of Jesus Christ. Not one murder, torture or rape is against the moral vacuum of atheism. You have no clue what you are rambling about. Also, I never said anything about Roosh and whether or not he is religious, yet you in typical dishonest atheist fashion argue if I did. The rest of your comment is the typical smear of straw man fallacies and illogical rambling. Don’t have time for that. Sorry. No wonder you are an atheist though.
As always debating with you atheists, the hardest part is that you don’t understand even basic logic and have not even fundamental knowledge.
Whachu be sayin dawg??!! I got PHD in gender studies from Wakanda university!! THE toppest shit for educashun in da whole goddamn Marvel universe yaw! I mean, sheeeiit, those kool-aid drinkers even taught me how to use Vibranium to lengthen muh dik!
If you want to criticize a religion or philosophy you can not use the actions of individuals going against the moral rules of that religion or philosophy.
I be cool with dat dawg, now gibs me a fist bump. Whudz dat? Y’all aryan-nordic boyz don’t do dat kind of shit?! Shhheeeeeeiiitt………………
That would be just as absurd as blaming atheism for a guy claiming to be an atheist, while he is killing people for Allah in a holy war (jihad).
Now yo on to sumthin dawg, finally.
Your examples are clearly against the teaching of Jesus Christ.
Whud examples? I got no hate no nothin on JC, JC be super cool yaw.
Not one murder, torture or rape is against the moral vacuum of atheism. You have no clue what you are rambling about.
Now you be trippin dawg. Lay off dat bong pipe already…..chill out bro……….
Also, I never said anything about Roosh and whether or not he is religious, yet you in typical dishonest atheist fashion argue if I did.
Yaw dawg, I never did any of what yo be accusin me nigga! Maaaan, yo seriously sick in da head! Go see witch doctor pronto, aaaaiiiiigght?
The rest of your comment is the typical smear of straw man fallacies and illogical rambling. Don’t have time for that. Sorry. No wonder you are an atheist though.
Dafuq dawg? Whud bulshit iz deez??!! You be doin crazy talk!! Shheeeeeeiiitt……quit yo cracks n’ moonshine already or I be tellin muh bitch aka yo mama to spank yo lily white ass!
Gnome Saint?
//now it`s the State and women that are being worshipped.//
No true Scotsman fallacy. As you atheist apes ALWAYS have turned every society into a hell hole with your soulless and godless dysfunctional atheism, you cowards will always try to pin your own failure on “religion”. The statism and feminism you talk about are solely based on dialectical materialism, naturalism, hedonism and atheism. It has NOTHING to do with the creation of the earth or any spiritual being ruling the world. Your attempt to pin atheists 100% failure rate on me as a Christian is both laughable and borderline insane. In all cases, extremely dishonest.
Your reply seen in it`s totality makes me give up on humanity almost. You distort everything. Ad-hominem`s and non-sequitur in every other sentence. No logic, no reason.
-Why only thinkers from 2000 years back?
-Darwin, Galileo etc. not about science?
-I said no Christian thinkers because that was the point of the argument. You wrote that yourself one sentence above.
-It`s not very difficult to find a list over all scientists-philosophers etc. of say ancient Greece. It would take hour`s for me to list them. (And you know that.) I could have mentioned Christian Huygens, Tycho Brahe also…but what`s the point?
-Why should we have a “higher” “better” morality. I said that those things are illusions. That was the whole point. You assume moral objectivism. (I could go through your very long reply, but it would all be the same.)
I`m sorry my friend, but I can`t debate someone so beyond intellectual dishonest that it defies belief. Really the worst I`ve ever come across online. You have been utterly destroyed by your brainwashing, and you seem more interested in convincing yourself than anyone else. Hope you will snap out of it one day!
The following comment was flagged by the tolerant atheists, 20 hours ago, so I will try again:
//Do you want me to list all notable thinker`s that where not self-identified Christians throughout history?//
Your point was Christianity versus science. In the whole 2000 year old history of a whole civilization you have four names. None of them were really about science. We can study them more thoroughly if you want to. I challenged you to name more names than those four and you lied and tried to move the goalpost to naming non-Christian thinkers everywhere throughout history. Very dishonest.
// Hence Gods are an illusion.//
You had just some words. No logical conclusion. Not even close. With your evolving theory, we should have a higher and better morality than we did a few decades ago when we had Christianity. We don’t. We are crashing into moral decay. Our civilization is imploding. Hence your theory and rambling about “evolving” are false.
More delusional rant from you:
//was strength, honour, patriarchy, dominance etc. All values that are at odds with the teachings of the new testament.//
A. So you believe Christian martyrs that we have seen daily in the Iraq and Syria, including children and women, are weak? Despite torture, rape and having their heads cut off? Christians in Egypt survived more than 1000 years of Muslim occupation. Christians have 200 000 martyrs per year. Solzhenitsyn in The Gulag Archipelago stated that Russia had millions of Christian martyrs. That Russia had women as strong as the Church in the first century. Where are your atheist ape martyrs. How strong are you? How many of you have died for your atheism? My guess is that you will nearly all convert to Islam in a heartbeat, that’s also why the majority of you are inviting them in. Like atheist Sweden. You godless and soulless atheists are weak, cowardly and traitors to Europe.
B. Christian men are the spiritual head if the family, the leader, protector and provider. Women are forbidden to wear men’s clothes. What about you weak atheist animals and your men? Weakest men in the history of mankind. Most manly women in the history of mankind.
C. Christendom dominated the whole world during colonialism. What about atheist West today? We are inviting our Muslim invaders in and anyone standing up for Western Civilization will be thrown in jail. You atheist apes created the weakest Europe history has ever seen. You are traitors.
//You would fit right in however//
Insane accusation. NRK and the Norwegian labour party hate and despise devout Christian men. We are their main enemy. Not you, atheist ape.
//The JEWISH God.//
Retarded argument. Just like the pagans, you believe God, the creator of the universe and life on earth, are a local God and belongs to a specific unwashed, flea infested pagan tribe. Ridiculous
//don`t plan for tomorrow//
This is a lie. Where did you find that in the Bible. Chapter and verse, please.
//The teaching of Jesus also contradict those of the old Testament in pretty much all ways imaginable. The bible in fact is chock full of contradictions, since it`s a heavily edited collection of texts//
More absolute rubbish from you. I already stated that you have not read and understood the Bible. Not read a single book within systematic theology. Name the books you have read to reach your utterly false and psycho-infantile “conclusion”. Your gay Marxist college (((professor))) must be so proud of you. He brainwashed you well.
//We” have never given up faith, now it`s the State and women that are being worshipped.//
You atheist apes always end up worship man (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot etc) and the state. For you to blame that on Christianity is insane, but consistent with your level of intellectual dishonesty. Traitor.
//It`s not very difficult to find a list over all scientists-philosophers etc. of say ancient Greece//
Modern science is empiricism. Greece did not have empiricism. That was something we got in Christendom.
//You assume moral objectivism. (I could go through your very long reply, but it would all be the same.)//
You don’t know what subjective versus objective morality is, and most likely you are too unintelligent to grasp it anyway.
//I`m sorry my friend, but I can`t debate someone so beyond intellectual dishonest that it defies belief. Really the worst I`ve ever come across online. You have been utterly destroyed by your brainwashing, and you seem more interested in convincing yourself than anyone else. Hope you will snap out of it one day!//
Psychological projection. Pathetic, but not unexpected.
You seem to respond to the comment that was flagged by atheists. Is that correct?
//Your reply seen in it`s totality makes me give up on humanity almost. You distort everything. Ad-hominem`s and non-sequitur in every other sentence. No logic, no reason.//
More psycho-infantile psychological projection from you. Seriously dude, you are utter ignorant atheist trash and a representative of the very reason why Norway is crashing so hard. We were strong and peaceful for one thousand years, before we got you nihilistic and hedonistic atheist apes with your selfish genes pseudo-morality running around. As your nasty, deceitful and ignorant comments proved so well. You are a traitor to Norway. Atheists like you killed, raped and tortured more than 100 million innocent people within less than 100 years, more than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind. Worse, nothing of that is forbidden within atheism, not even labeled bad or evil. Nothing will stop you atheist animals from doing that again. All that is forbidden within Christianity. Thanks for making it so easy to understand what kind of atheist animals would behave in this inhumane fashion and just slaughter millions of people just because of a religion or political opinion that the immoral atheists did no like or approve of. Thanks again.
//Your reply seen in it`s totality makes me give up on humanity almost//
Girly answer. Go cry some more. Sorry that I triggered you and thereby forced you into your usual fetus position by asking you to document you vile accusation and try to formulate logically sound arguments, instead of your usual brain-dead atheist ape slogans. So sorry.
//Hope you will snap out of it one day!//
Yeah, hopefully you will. Maybe next time you will be man enough deal with your own problems head on, instead of cowardly project them unto everyone else. I am not the one running away from zero documentation and vile pseudo-logical rambling, – you are.
Damn, you crushed and vanquished the ape!
The ape decided it was time to pull the plug on that “discussion:)”
The atheist ape could never answer a single question or substantiate his psycho-infantile claims. The atheist ape was unable to formulate a single logically sound argument, but used ignorance, lies and mudslinging instead.
I could download all the facts and data in the world into your brain, and still there would be no change. I gave you 6 scientists, do you need more? Why can`t you do your own homework? Your the kind of person that thinks getting the last word somehow “wins” the argument.
You also load up on so much stuff, and since you have the advantage of not having to think anything through, it`s impossible for a thinker to address it all. Why can`t you focus in on just one subject and dissects it? Because then you would be proven wrong. So you just jump from one point to another without any contemplation going into anything.
You`re not looking for the truth, you are out so prove a point. That is not the scientific mindset, and it will only lead to biased conclusions. Also you`re not really arguing me, but yourself. You`re so insecure in your “faith” that you have to prove it to yourself constantly. But by all means, send me a new load of fresh bullshit. In that way you can retain your illusions for a bit longer.
(Darwin wasn`t really a scientists…)
// I gave you 6 scientists//
You mentioned 6 scientists for unknown reasons. What logical argument did you make? None.
You pretending to be so intellectual superior that you can’t communicate with me is nothing but the usual pathological atheist ape delusions of grandeur. Too bad for you, my IQ is far above Mensa entry level and I have education from three international elite universities. My guess you have none, or at best, some garbage education from Norway. Your incoherent and illogical atheist animal rambling is that of a child. But of course, as a typical deranged atheist ape, you automatically believe you magically became a high-IQ intellectual star, solely by hating God, merely because all your Marxist college (((professors))) told you so. You are brainwashed, too stupid to recognize your own stupidity, too ignorant to recognize your own ignorance, too intellectual lazy to recognize your own intellectual laziness.
This is why I don`t bother “debating” people like you. You never put any thought into what you argue, so you don`t remember the context. Unknown reasons? You brought up the flawed argument that Christianity/faith formed Western civilization. I gave you tons of reasons-data why this is not the case. In fact it`s in spite of religion that we have evolved sophisticated technology etc. This was the context of the mentioned scientists. Either you don`t remember, or you`re not honest and prefer to change the subject again, as I said.
You`re the one blindly following Jewish doctrine. Marxism/Feminism/Equality/Christianity/6 million jews gassed etc. I don`t mind Jews as a group, but the Zionist agenda is the problem. Snap out of it man.
I will show your, rather short, how unintelligent, ignorant and academically dishonest you are. Contrast that to your comments about yourself and your own “arguments” and you have again a very typical atheist ape with pathological delusions of grandeur.
You stated: //Civilization came from rationality, not faith.//
With no context given, no qualifiers. Because your comment is so low IQ it is practically meaningless and totally empty as an academic statement. Do you mean?
1. Rationality and faith are mutual exclusive?
2. Trade-off relationship?
3. Polar opposites?
It is impossible to debate atheist idiots like you, since your comments are obscure, with zero documentation and lots of vile claims and accusations.
Your claim is either way clearly not factual and just another deranged lie from you stupid atheist animals. There has never in the recorded history of mankind been a society or civilization based on atheism, so your claim that faith is not a factor is clearly wrong. If you were correct, the civilizations would follow a normal distribution in regard to faith-atheism. That’s not the case. We have zero examples of atheism. Since faith and reason are found in all civilizations, they must be co-dependent. Not so with atheism, as we have no example of a reason-atheistic based civilization or society.
Based on empirical data, faith is a necessary for a civilization and atheism is toxic/destructive. The exact opposite of your insane claim.
Your rambling about your 6 scientists only further prove how you atheists are the useful idiots for the Jews. Since Christendom is by far the greatest civilization the world has ever seen, Jews in their vile hatred had to use deception and deceit to portray Christendom in a bad light in academia and media, using the usual vile atheist apes as their useful idiots. Jews mainly use two dishonest methods. First one is that they take whatever that is good in Christendom, say, slavery and attack that. Despite the fact that Christendom was the only civilization in the history to ban slavery, done by Christians and based on the Christian Bible, Jews will isolate Christendom, not comparing that civilization to other civilizations, but rather compare Christendom to Utopia, where Jews and atheists can claim they represent some Utopia the world has never seen and then viciously attack the best civilization the world has ever seen. You did that.
The other fallacy the Jews and you atheist apes, the useful idiots for the Jews, attack Christianity is to regard all empirical data and then just find some minor incidents, true or not, and then flog the Christian civilization. No matter how false and little representative. You did that with your 6 scientists rambling. What is worse is that you don’t understand and know the true history behind none of them. In this way, despite Christendom being the by far most literate civilization, producing more books, libraries, literal population – the most scientific civilization, producing the most scientists, technology etc, you atheist apes and the Jews totally dismiss that, if you only can find a handful of examples in the 2000 year old history of a civilization, where you can claim someone was badly treated, and thus falsely reach the absurd conclusion that Christendom was one of the worst and most anti-scientific civilizations the world has ever seen. You did that. I can do that too. I can take any civilization, take their best achievement, find some obscure and insignificant incident, and then “prove” that the opposite of reality is the “truth”. Atheism produced no science in the history of mankind, same with Jews, yet both of you attack the most scientific civilization the world has ever seen and smear that civilization as anti-science. Disgusting and utterly deceitful. Christianity is a civilization based on literacy and the printing press, because we are a book based civilization (the Bible), unlike atheism and Islam (where the short Qur’an makes mormorizing preferable to reading).
This is another of your insane and unsubstantiated atheist ape claims:
//In fact it`s in spite of religion that we have evolved sophisticated technology etc//
If that was true, then any atheist based society would have been vastly superior to religious societies and would dominate them in every area. We did not see that. Christendom did that, and stupid, dysfunctional and evil atheism could not even produce a non-scientific society, far less a civilization. Again you atheist animals are the useful idiots for the Jews and use their isolation and comparing to Utopia fallacy. Traitors. You evil atheist apes have to go, together with your beloved Jews and third world immigrants. We need to kick you out. I am not talking about agnostics and just people with no belief in God, but rabid atheist haters and useful idiots for the Jews, like you. Get out and take your sick and rabid atheism with you. Norway is destroyed thanks to evil and ignorant atheists like you.
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Aaaand of course you or your fellow atheist apes and cowards flagged my comment as spam. This is the second time with you, and I have only experienced it replying to your comments.
I will post my reply again, but once again I have to break it up. Sucks to debate dishonest and slimy atheists like you and your fans.
I will show your, rather short, how unintelligent, ignorant and academically dishonest you are. Contrast that to your comments about yourself and your own “arguments” and you have again a very typical atheist ape with pathological delusions of grandeur.
You stated: //Civilization came from rationality, not faith.//
With no context given, no qualifiers. Because your comment is so low IQ it is practically meaningless and totally empty as an academic statement. Do you mean?
1. Rationality and faith are mutual exclusive?
2. Trade-off relationship?
3. Polar opposites?
It is impossible to debate atheist idiots like you, since your comments are obscure, with zero documentation and lots of vile claims and accusations.
Your claim is either way clearly not factual and just another deranged lie from you stupid atheist animals. There has never in the recorded history of mankind been a society or civilization based on atheism, so your claim that faith is not a factor is clearly wrong. If you were correct, the civilizations would follow a normal distribution in regard to faith-atheism. That’s not the case. We have zero examples of atheism. Since faith and reason are found in all civilizations, they must be co-dependent. Not so with atheism, as we have no example of a reason-atheistic based civilization or society.
Based on empirical data, faith is a necessary for a civilization and atheism is toxic/destructive. The exact opposite of your insane claim.
2.
Your rambling about your 6 scientists only further prove how you atheists are the useful idiots for the Jews. Since Christendom is by far the greatest civilization the world has ever seen, Jews in their vile hatred had to use deception and deceit to portray Christendom in a bad light in academia and media, using the usual vile atheist apes as their useful idiots. Jews mainly use two dishonest methods. First one is that they take whatever that is good in Christendom, say, slavery and attack that. Despite the fact that Christendom was the only civilization in the history to ban slavery, done by Christians and based on the Christian Bible, Jews will isolate Christendom, not comparing that civilization to other civilizations, but rather compare Christendom to Utopia, where Jews and atheists can claim they represent some Utopia the world has never seen and then viciously attack the best civilization the world has ever seen. You did that.
3.
The other fallacy the Jews and you atheist apes, the useful idiots for the Jews, attack Christianity is to regard all empirical data and then just find some minor incidents, true or not, and then flog the Christian civilization. No matter how false and little representative. You did that with your 6 scientists rambling. What is worse is that you don’t understand and know the true history behind none of them. In this way, despite Christendom being the by far most literate civilization, producing more books, libraries, literal population – the most scientific civilization, producing the most scientists, technology etc, you atheist apes and the Jews totally dismiss that, if you only can find a handful of examples in the 2000 year old history of a civilization, where you can claim someone was badly treated, and thus falsely reach the absurd conclusion that Christendom was one of the worst and most anti-scientific civilizations the world has ever seen. You did that. I can do that too. I can take any civilization, take their best achievement, find some obscure and insignificant incident, and then “prove” that the opposite of reality is the “truth”. Atheism produced no science in the history of mankind, same with Jews, yet both of you attack the most scientific civilization the world has ever seen and smear that civilization as anti-science. Disgusting and utterly deceitful. Christianity is a civilization based on literacy and the printing press, because we are a book based civilization (the Bible), unlike atheism and Islam (where the short Qur’an makes mormorizing preferable to reading).
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This is another of your insane and unsubstantiated atheist ape claims:
//In fact it`s in spite of religion that we have evolved sophisticated technology etc//
If that was true, then any atheist based society would have been vastly superior to religious societies and would dominate them in every area. We did not see that. Christendom did that, and stupid, dysfunctional and evil atheism could not even produce a non-scientific society, far less a civilization. Again you atheist animals are the useful idiots for the Jews and use their isolation and comparing to Utopia fallacy. Traitors. You evil atheist apes have to go, together with your beloved Jews and third world immigrants. We need to kick you out. I am not talking about agnostics and just people with no belief in God, but rabid atheist haters and useful idiots for the Jews, like you. Get out and take your sick and rabid atheism with you. Norway is destroyed thanks to evil and ignorant atheists like you.
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Go on atheist cowards, lovers of reason and debate, to do some vile flagging and abuse of the system again. Only way you idiots can defend your dysfunctional, evil and utterly retarded atheism.
I haven`t flagged anything for your information. I just think debating you is totally meaningless as I said. I`ve been exposed to religion all my life, and I decide to reject it as BS. Have you ever made an effort to understand evolution? You keep using term ape (whom you are relatively closely related to whether you like it or not) as a negative. What`s wrong with apes. Read `On the origin of species` cover to cover, then come back to me.
Again you run away from my questions. Again you do not use facts and/or logic, but instead use your usual smear, mudslinging and ad hominem attacks.
You claim: // I`ve been exposed to religion all my life, and I decide to reject it as BS. //
Based on your psycho-infantile and ignorant rambling I was very sure early on that:
1. You have never read and understood the Bible
2. You have never read a single book within Systematic Theology.
You of course, as always, are too afraid and cowardly to answer me. I have of course read Darwin, plus all of Nietzsche in German, nearly all of Bertrand Russel, Dawkins, Hitchens etc. You, on the other hand, have not read a single book within Christian Apologetic, because you are afraid of opposing views. The ignorant moron is you, atheist ape.
You can understand the bible in any way you see fit, since it`s just a collection of texts written and edited by many authors, and many cultures. Literally thousands of contradictions and logical inconsistencies within. You can defend anything and everything by biblical decree. (As history has proven also.)
You have not read On the origin of species. (Nor any other book/info on evolution.) I can tell by the way you argue that you could not make it through a single page. I`ve been forced to study the bible as a part of the general religious indoctrination found in public education. Christianity/Islam/Marxism. All based on faith. All belief systems contrary to evidence. There is no difference between Marxism and Christianity in that regard. Their all faith based, as I said.
You accuse me of using ad-hominem`s, but call me again an ape, as you have from the start. You can`t write a single sentence without contradicting yourself. (You started with the ad-hominem`s remember. You started. Remember. DO YOU REMEMBER!!! (Do you feel like changing the subject again…how surprising) The fossil records is quite clear on that btw, we obviously share a common ancestor, not to far back, with all living primates. So we are indeed apes.
And of course with low-IQ ignorant atheist apes with pathological delusion of grandeur, like you, we end up going in circle. You have already made your insane and imbecile claim that the Bible has been edited and is full of contradiction. I challenged you to document when and where the Bible was changed, and asked you whether or not you have read a single book within Bible difficulties, dealing with objections ignorant atheist apes have to the Bible they don’t understand and have never read. You did of course never answer me, as you are nothing but a pseudo-academic charlatan and delusional psycho.
You atheists claim that we humans are merely walking apes. Not me. Don’t whine and bitch about what your fellow atheists claim you are.
So you are Norwegian and were forced to study the Bible and got indoctrinated? Where and when, lying psycho? Again, I have read the books of your low-IQ atheist heroes. I asked you, have you read a single book within Christian apologetic? Don’t run away fool. Just admit that you are a moron and a utter ignorant tosser. That you have never studied anything regarding your atheism and take stuff right out off your ass, as the vile hordes of internet apes always do. Go cry some more, whiny atheist bitch.
//The fossil records is quite clear on that btw,//
How do you know? Did you study it, reading pro et contra books, or did someone tell you what to think and you just parrot some phrases? Brainwashed atheist ape. Go educate yourself, fool.
Spending your time:
Arguing with people online.
Telling them how good you are.
Bragging about your accomplishments while belittling theirs.
Generalizing statements about other people in their life
Claiming you are superior to them.
This shows a pattern of behavior that may cause you to
not reach your goals or worse yet, not accept other peoples point of view.
in education we call this a Bully if you were in 5th grade
Oh and I am volunteering at a summer camp for truly poor “Christian orphans” which teaches religious tolerance rather than superiority.
I don’t believe you, unless you are a pedo. I have been all over Europe and seen Christian voulenteers give food and shelter to drug addicts, homeless (gays, atheists, Muslims etc), I have NEVER seen you atheists ever. All I have seen is photo ops with Dawkins rambling on how good he is without God, wasting tons of money for ads on buses to brag about how good they are without God, and that’s it. And of course atheists online. You are always doing so much great work, you online atheists. I never see you in real life. I could tell you what I do, but then you the slimy atheist would again start your mudslinging how I am bragging etc. Time for you atheist apes to leave Europe and Western Civilization. You destroyed Christendom,the greatest civilization the world has ever seen, within a few decades. It does not matter whether or not we can kick out Islam and third wold immigrants, unless we kick you out as well. You are just as destructive and dangerous for our civilization as they are. You atheist apes could never in the recorded history of mankind built a society based on atheism, with your insane subjective morality and moral relativism, logically inherent in your godless, soulless atheism. Far less a civilization. You are toxic and a cancer for any civilization. I am not talking about normal agnostics, people without faith, but you self-proclaimed and rabid anti-Christian psychos, like you and fake intellectual “thinker” Johnyvee. As you can not build your own civilization, you always live on other civilization, as parasites. You have to go. You gave the world nothing but death and decay and destroyed a well functioning and the best civilization the world has ever seen for no reason at all, except your own hedonism and nihilism.
Wow you really are sick
angry ? you have the most wounded inner child I hsve ever seen
I ask have you gone off your meds?
Of course, no answer from the atheist apes. No argument. No logic, just some more infantile ad hominem attacks.
And you are clearly another slimy atheist. Your reason for you to respond in this manner is solely that you wish to help another atheist douchebag in a debate where Johnnyvee is unable to answer questions and document his claims. Have you seen his insults? Of course you have, but you couldn’t care less, with your atheist subjective morality. I endured his insults against my intelligence and his bragging about being a thinker in contrast to me. I am entitled to defend myself and present facts. My claims about myself was factual, only, proving his accusations against me wrong. This enrage you fanatic and slimy atheist and makes you attack me. The clear psychological bully here is you, the slimy atheist, and your passive aggressive rambling combined with psychological projection. You atheists are so predictable. Again I got an atheist idiot that can not debate with facts, but must retort to lying, ad hominem attacks and mudslinging.
Apes pretend that not arguing with documented facts and logic, only to run away from the “debate”, is the normal thing to do. Apes are so predictable….
Very good job proving the point that Christinsanity is simply cherry picking facts, and berating your opponent non stop with emotional whinging like some kind of bitch until he has to throw his hands up and admit you are beyond help. Civilization did not arise from Christianity, quite the contrary, it submerged humanity and civilization which was already in place in the dross of emotional garbage and one upmanship(as seen above in your rants). There are many places that are civilized without the Jesus, although having a mythos to glue society toghether is important. Ancestor worship can work just as well. The Jesus is a myth, but a very, very good mind control mechanism (classic reward and punishment structure, stick and carrot). Anything in the bible considered ‘prophecy’ is simply extrapolation, but the egalitarianism of the bible where everyone is the son and daughter of god, is where this liberalism sprang from like Pandora’s box. The only thing that both scenarios entail (liberalism with atheism and liberalism with Xtianity) is that women destroy societies. In the end though, Christianity has failed itself and the world, as there are self sabotaging elements to it as stated above (now homos and mixed race abominations are also the apple of god’s eye(s)) which allow it to be destroyed from within.
There is one way to prove me wrong; show me where in the bible Jesus or anyone else mentions automobiles, vaccines, refrigeration or the internet. God is all mighty, he should have mentioned these ground breaking technologies, right?
More deranged garbage from the usual mentally retarded and butthurt atheist apes. Try to convert your verbal diarrhea into at least one logically sound argument. But you can’t. Prove me wrong atheist animal.
Jesus is a myth. Prove he exists, mindslave.
P.S. You spelled Eurofag wrong.
OK, atheist ape. No problem
1. Read the Bible
2. Read at least one good book within systematic theology so you at least have some understanding of what you are talking about (Grudem or Geisler are good)
3. Read ‘I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist’ by Norman Geisler
4. Read ‘Without Excuse’ by Werner Gitt, former Head of the Department of Information Technology at the German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology.
You could of course not give a single logically sound argument. Not unexpected from you low-IQ atheist apes. I have never met a single hyper-intelligent person being a rabid atheist. On the contrary, the vast majority of them are Christians. Two examples:
Christopher Langan, highest IQ in America. Devout Christian
Andrew Magdy Kamal, highest IQ in the world. Devout Christian
It is difficult arguing with the insane. In the future, people who believe in fairy tales and allow them to rule their lives will be holding their ceremonies in the same facility that houses transsexuals, schizophrenics and other delusionals. As a side benefit they will most likely always have a guy who thinks he is Jesus to worship at their prayer circle.
Traitors like you will be kicked out off the future ethno state and post civil war Europe. Even without the Jews and third world immigration, we would still suffer from you atheist apes and all your retarded and destructive attacks on Western Civilization, – your communism, your social and moral degeneracy, your hatred for our (Christian) culture and heritage, your sexual perversion and childlike rebellion against authorities/traditions and normal decency. We have to kick you out. You have to go.
Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity.
DONE.
You came right from retard school, atheist. You are so low IQ that you don’t even know the very definition of your won position. Pathetic. Here: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/
From Google:
a·the·ism
ˈÄTHÄ“ËŒizÉ™m/Submit
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief, disbelief, unbelief, irreligion, skepticism, doubt, agnosticism; nihilism
“atheism was not freely discussed in his community”
Yeah. Google is so much better than Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, right low-IQ atheist ape?
Why are you such a child and calling me a low-IQ ape?
Yes there is a universal human fantasy need to believe they have “eternal life” LMAO
No idea what you are rambling about. What are you responding to and what is your argument. Can you document your claim or is that the usual atheist “facts” taken right out off your primate ass?
Prove God exists. Go.
I don’t know. You have already demonstrated a worrisome low IQ and all of you breathtakingly ignorant atheist animals don’t read books that contradict your own blind faith in soullessness and godlessness. Do you read books to expand your intellectual horizon, or is atheist YT vids and cartoons all you have?
How is my IQ low?
Just one example from my previous answer: //Yeah. Google is so much better than Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, right low-IQ atheist ape?//
List all the books you have read contrary to your rabid, stupid and dysfunctional atheism. It is none, right? You rabid atheists are the worst pseudo-academics to plague the internet.
Since when is Stanford Encyclooedia the authority in the English language?
And if you’re just going to be a child and keep name-calling illl just block & report you.
You already blocked and reported me. Go cry some more, atheist ape.
Blocked and reported troll.
1. Conservatives breed more. 2. Liberals live in urban population sinks and rely on importation of allies. 3. The solutions is to take control over immigration and let liberals die out generation by generation.
You also must take over the universities and the media (esp. entertainment). This is where they draw their power from. You may have a conservative family, but if your daughter is brainwashed by the university or niglow entertainment, she is lost.
The evangelical let us ‘die for Jewish Israeli’ scum are a big problem with conservatism. I truly don’t care whether Jews exist or not. Can’t they fight their own wars?
The US will break apart along ethnic lines.
The Roman Catholic Church with its Catholicism has been totalitarian from the start. It is a top-down organization.
It gave mankind medieval civilization, in which the common man was a mere serf, in effect, a slave.
The Anglo-Protestants gave us Modern Civilization, which freed the individual. It arose on the ethics of individualism, hard-work, self-sufficiency.
The atheist, the Jew, the Catholic and the socialist all came to the USA after the ascendancy of the Anglo-Protestants and their creations — the English colonies and the USA.
It is those scumbags who destroyed both the USA with their push for socialism. They dragged Protestant churches leftward until it became as degenerate as Catholic churches.
Exactly. And that is why Christianity will fall to Islam just as conservatism will fall to liberalism. Islam fights tooth-and-nail to expand (as they should) while Christians only want to be left to their simple, inoffensive modern day version of Christianity such as Santa Claus and Charlie Brown’s Christmas. The so-called Christian world now has a huge sipritual vacuum where virile, stalwart Christianity used to be; expect a mass, voluntary conversion to islam within the next 10 years.
Perhaps Conservatism is dying because it is so often found in bed with unsavory ideals and movements such as white supremacy and misogyny.
Conservatism killed itself because instead of really being conservative it used the term as a cover for “lets keep the nigs down”, “lets keep the poor poor”, etc….
If they were truly conservative they would have championed human rights, rule of law, fundamental fairness and due process, and civilized living.
They screwed up and have permanently damaged their brand.
The Dems/liberals are doing the same now by going full Commie with Bernie and that Puerto Rican chick for NY. Why cant dems ever champion entrepreneurship, limited bureacracy, individual choice andninitiative ???
Wrong, idiot.
“championed human rights, rule of law, fundamental fairness and due process, and civilized living.”
What was the struggle against Communism then?
Or do you mean “just give you SJWs everything you want”?
You missed what Roosh said. “Their motto of “live and let live†is only reasonable to hold if their enemy believed the same.”
Conservatism would have thrived if more people believed in its message. Instead the message is “kill Whitey”.
Conservatism is dying because they started caring about people like you wailing that anything you don’t like it “white supremacy”.
Conservatism was strong when it sneered at people like you instead of trying to appease you.
Yeah these leftist trolls always use the same ol “you’re racist” and “you’re sexist” bullshit over and over. People are wise to that though as it just means they have nothing rational to say.
It is dying more because it is really allying itself with profit over people, and the planet, being uncreative and humorless dopes and this control freak Christinsanity bullshit, where they tell everyone god has all the answers, when the fucker is no where to be seen anywhere. No one wants to be told to believe in a fairy tale as the so called Christians are destroying every square inch of the world to turn a buck. Listen to talk radio, only an excuse to sell home improvements. It’s a fucking joke. Also, although many hate to admit it, liberals win and get things done.
This is a great article Roosh and I agree with everything you say but your Spartans analogy doesn’t work.
“In the end, conservatives are the Spartans in 300 who have trained their entire lives to lose the battle, even if they are pound-for-pound stronger than their enemy.”
300 Spartans fought and died honourably for their kingdom, only to inspire Sparta to rise up and demolish the Persian armies, to thus honour Leonidas and the 300 in return. Modern “conservatives” are nothing like this, and would never sacrifice anything for their “ideals”. They do not deserve this kind of credit. Modern cuckservatives are motivated only by money and comfortable living, the Spartans were motivated by honour and glory.
true, i can’t see the people of the national review standing up for anything.
I mean, he has a point. But time changes and when that happens the world changes, so circumstances are different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKSqmwDzFxA
check it out mras in india
india literally gets the worst of both western an local culture.
can see why many guys want out
I continue to believe that, eventually, the Conservatives will swing back into power (not just political but social power) with the growth of a new Religious Right that will be armed to the teeth and out for blood. Read the history of the USA. Religious “revivals” complete with lynching and mass hysteria have been a regular feature of our history. They are underplayed by history books.
Handmaid’s Tale will come true. The Republic of Gilead, in some form or another, will take over the US. Or read the classic tale by Robert Heinlein, “If this Goes On” in which he describes a technologically sophisticated religious dictatorship that takes power in the US. (Damn, Heinlein still continues to amaze, even though he was a schmuck in so many ways).
Remember that the Mormon Church, one of the most powerful institutions in the world, has not only total control of the entire US state of Utah, but also trillions of dollars/tens of millions of followers who firmly believe that, at some point, they will be called by God to save the US from collapse. They are *not* joking, they believe every word, and they are calmly biding their time.
Trump or no Trump. Doesn’t matter. We are headed for a time when the bodies of feminists, lesbians, atheists, and trannies will swing from a thousand hastily-erected gallows. Self-righteous smug white women, along with their Cucked white hubbies, will be in charge. Blacks, hispanics, and asians will join the church and be protected. Modern technology will be used to hunt down and eliminate religious deviants by the million. “Pre-crime” will be a real concept, but will be mainly applied to religious and social crimes. Every post ever made online, from Facebook to Rooshv.com, will be scanned and analyzed to search for targets. The millions of lawyers and prosecutors, already glutted with the wealth of the nation from prosecuting everybody for everything (every American citizen breaks federal law 20 times per day) will cry for more. Everyone will accuse everyone, neighbors, friends, co-workers, and family.
I myself plan to be far away when this happens, with as much of my family as I can salvage. But that will take a huge amount of money, and I know that nobody in my family has the perception of what’s going to happen to them…they are sheep. So who knows if we will escape, or be caught up in the firestorm with the rest of the sheep. Baaahhhhh!
Unfortunately this is pure wishful thinking. There’s this fantasy that pushed to far eventually the persecuted conservative, cis, straight white male of the world will retaliate and take their countries back.
I very clearly stated that white WOMEN would drive the counter revolution 🙂
Remember that women ultimately make the decisions. Men then implement.
interesting opinion on WW, care to explain a bit more?
its my understanding now that women have it all, one simply cannot close Pandora’s box
“Modern technology will be used to hunt down and eliminate religious deviants by the million…We are headed for a time when the bodies of feminists, lesbians, atheists, and trannies will swing from a thousand hastily-erected gallows.”
Assuredly, this outcome will not materialize in the manner you prescribe.
“I myself plan to be far away when this happens, with as much of my family as I can salvage.”
So, you believe that there will be murders of enormous consequence, but you will be not around when the killing starts. Exactly what I thought…
That is correct. Far, far away and happily watching on Youtube.
Some of what you said is interesting, but the biological enemies being protected because they join some religion? No. Their removal will have to be part and parcel of any new religion that catches fire. Women cause these problems because their life is a shit test against men, and every new level of technology and entitlement simply becomes their new baseline of what they expect and deserve, with little to no fanfare, or work/sacrifice on their part. Women will destroy men until they are put back in their place, and they will still not be happy, but they are never happy.
Even conservative bastions as we know it are heavily subverted and have questionable long term intentions due to their dominance by the tribe.
(((PragerU))) for example routinely gets (((Ben Shapiro))) and (((Crowder))) and (((Dave Rubin))) to give 5 minute platitudes on seemingly good things which will still wind up on the losing side by their far left tribesmen and tribeswomen.
The Dissident Right or “Roosh Right” is the only uncucked path.
I’m not worried about this at all, because what I see happening is a mutation of conservatism into fascism. conservatives will lose, and lose and some more…until a genuine, bonified Hitler rises up. That’s the historical record.
“until a genuine, bonified Hitler rises up”
perhaps thats just what the globalists are ‘banking’ on?
Haha good one
Fuck the GOP, Monarchy now!https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f4c29ecc77fec6b955d72e559ac9428730e4df23b83b4530a98beeb3eb6fadc5.jpg
Men calling themselves MGTOW are called unmanly losers by feminists and tradcons alike, so much for feminist’s lofty-sounding tripe of “removing gender roles for men and women”. Furthermore, the female equivalent to MGTOW i.e. women’s empowerment is cheered and abetted by both wings. Hardly any surprise though, feminism = left-wing gynocentrism, conservatism = right-wing gynocentrism.
It’s PC or even noble to bash men and find fault in things they say and do, but it’s not the other way around. With egregious double standards against men, small wonder why some men who didn’t let their baser instincts to control them went MGTOW. #jesus #paul #dicaprio #henrycavill #sandman #tfm
Both wings rationalize the double standards, feminists do so with their male-privilege/patriarchy/pay-gap/mansplaining/manspreading/male-gaze; while conservatives use the justification of survival of the tribe and or civilization. #muhwhitebabies
Are conservative women really any different from feminists? The answer is a yuuuuuge hell foookeen NO, because “conservative” women cherry pick which aspects of conservatism to keep, and which ones to scrap. In a sense, I have slightly more respect for feminists, because at least they’re willing to get their hands dirty and take heat for their views. “Conservative” women OTOH not only escape having the feminist label attached to them, but also get to reap the benefits of feminism including the right to vote and still retain their traditional privileges. Tradcons of both genders also want to keep the same traditions in place that have harmed men. #selectiveservice
It’s nice that at the long last, MGTOW had started to call out bullshits from both wings of gynocentrism, instead of merely focusing on feminists from all genders.
“conservative” women cherry pick which aspects of conservatism to keep, and which ones to scrap. << I have literally been saying this exactly, almost word4word for the past 3 years. Don't be fooled, 99% of ALL women want some forms of feminism to remain stable for them. For instance, I was raised in a staunchly conservative household. Both parents always voted Republican, 1 sister, the other sister is a Liberal.. after she let her politics creep into her extended family relations, she pushed herself away from our family. There is one, very, very telling truth about the cherry picking aspect.
That is:
Any time I bring up the core tenants of feminism to my so-called "conservative" mother and oldest sister, they both pin me as a woman-bashing asshole, or immediately demand I change the topic or drop it altogether. Thus, virtually every female in my immediate family, at minimum, wholeheartedly believes and practices 1st and 2nd wave feminism, and the very act of defending and cherry picking the aspects of feminism they chose, proves they're full-stripes 3rd wave feminists too. I've explicitly explained to my mom she's literally sold her own son's heritage and well being out, by supporting her cherry picked aspects of feminism.
As stated, just like the myth NAWALT, same goes for NAWAF — yes, they're all fucking feminists, even your mommy, grandma, sisters, and daughter. That's one of the distinct differences the MGTOW community sees beyond most of the rest of the manosphere, just how badly and deeply the issues run. The red pill, isn't just 1 single red pill. It evolves, and the rabbit hole is hella deep and seems to go on into infinity when you peel back more layers to the onion.
Wish I could upvote you 100 times.
Same here. You both said some brilliant stuff there.
The problem is that while the results of women voting were bad, they still have the moral right to have votes. Some say the representatives of women should simply be in a separate chamber.
they still have the moral right to have votes.
I’m not morally required to empower others to destroy me, themselves, and the society they live in. Remember women didn’t start voting in the U.S. until 1919.
See any correlation between that and any other occurrences?
Now they are going to continue to vote, because who is going to stop it now? But that doesn’t mean that they have a “moral right.” It only means that our morality is not developed enough to recognize errors, and correct them.
So we are doomed. And they are doomed too. Or perhaps not. Women always accommodate the invading army, and I think we can all see at this point that we are being invaded by a number of social armies. It’s also highly likely that some formal military force – perhaps the Chinese – will occupy this country and breed the women after the women have finished collapsing the existing european order.
“they still have the moral right to have votes”
on what grounds?
They have the moral right to vote on the color of the flowers in the community garden, the name of the high school dance, and what casserole to bring to the potluck, but not anything affecting national policy. Look at them begging to spread their legs for 3rd world garbage. Women have no loyalty to their tribe because their genes are always passed on. Men have loyalty to their people as they have to work, succeed and guard their women against interlopers to mate and reproduce.
“…they both pin me as a woman-bashing asshole, or immediately demand I change the topic or drop it altogether.”
Wise women.
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” -1 Timothy 2:12
If you can find a woman who’s OK with this, you might be good to go. Before we got married, my wife’s priest told her to remember that feminism is the work of Satan and not a good basis for family life, and she enthusiastically agrees. She isn’t American though. I have yet to meet a western woman of childbearing age who isn’t a feminist deep inside.
Yep!
Subversion and demoralization, if you haven’t seen this 35 years old interview with ex KBG agent Yuri Bezmenov its a must see. He describes in detail what has taken place since then.
https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/34-years-ago-a-kgb-defector-described-america-today?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1531932823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
For those who found this interesting there is also a full 1-2 hours long interview to be found on youtube.
I discussed his work: http://www.rooshv.com/soviet-defector-yuri-bezmenov-accurately-predicted-how-america-would-decline
Great write up. I can see u spent some time reflecting on his teachings. I couldn’t stop thinking about the implications for our present decline in USA and Europe. Its like a slow acting poison administered years ago now taking full effect and its not much we can do. Bezmenovs proposed cure was to reeducate a new generation of patriotic citizens but it would also be a slow process of at least 15-20 years. Seems we are out of luck in our lifetime.
I agree with much of what you say, Conservatives have been far too willing to “compromise” (surrender) for decades, have not been nearly aggressive enough in pushing back, and give ground far too easily.
However – your only “solution” is essentially “give up”. And that is a LOSERS mentality, whether you care to admit it or not.
A wise man said something to the effect of…
Those who are apathetic about and remove themselves from politics surrender to being ruled their inferiors
Roosh you’re already in the fight. It’s OK to not label yourself but unless you’re planning on selling or shutting down ROK you’re in the fight.
I feel like big, cosmopolitan cities in the west are truly a lost cause BUT there’s political hope for smaller, more traditional countries and places in the world.
Conservatism is dead because it is a rational movement. Often rational people fall into the trap of thinking their enemies have rational intentions and objective goals. Progressives, however do not. Their motivation flows from self-hatred and manifests in the urge to destroy those better than them because they are too cowardly to kill themselves and their betters are too “civilised” to do the job for them. Progressives have not had a solid idea for the last 25 years and we can see that they are now beginning to destroy themselves by shoving half-caste idiots and degenerates in our faces pretending to be real leaders. The Democrat party is a joke and about to implode. America is about to become Iraq in the sense that a minority people will be expected to rule over the majority with extreme prejudice. This is a return to colonialism for white people but as a choice it is either a) Take responsibility for the choices of our ancestors or b) perish.
Conservatives have ruled economic doctrine for the last 30 years
It’s not the conservatives, it’s good vs evil, evil always win in the end.
can definitely see the “if you’re not prepared to” paragraph being stripped of context and used as incitement in whatever the next hitjob the msm have planned for ya bud.
also its difficult because conservatism by its nature is not war mongering. neoconservatism is [and neoliberalism too], and most conservatives are isolationists.
I think there is a big difference between a true conservative and a modern day Republican; the media conflates the two.
A modern day Republican only focuses on the economy. They are only fiscal conservatives. If his wallet is full and jobs are abundant, America is good. Liberalism, hedonism, consumerism, women in the work place, homosexual marriage is all fine. They are more libertarian than conservative. True conservatives care about social issues, traditionalism, keeping the natural order of the world. Very few true conservatives left in America.
I think the only way to truly defeat the left would be to declare a war on technology. Without it, they are totally powerless. Only the strong would survive in a world without the artificial. The irrational obsessions of the emotionally deranged would no longer be taken seriously.
“That which doesn’t kill me only makes me stronger” I guess Nietzsche never heard of polio.
True conservatives are called classical or paleocons. But yeah, agree with most of your stuff there. Modern repubs are sellouts.
read these 2 books:
1. Founder: A Portrait of the First Rothschild and His Time: Amos Elon …
2. The romance of the Rotschilds:
https://archive.org/stream/romanceofrothsch00balluoft/romanceofrothsch00balluoft_djvu.txt
What “liberals” have is group strenght. Conservatives by their own nature are individualistic. One conservative against one liberal. The conservative wins. One conservative against 20 liberals. He looses. COnservatives want to be left alone. And live they´re life like they wish. Liberals want change.
there are however moments when one is prevalent and the other not.
Also pay attention to the number 6 and 9.
I can tell every moment in a movie when the masonic shit was to play. I´ve been invited to the masons. Refused. But still know a lot of them. There phone number ends normally in 666 or 66.
The other day I was watching a movie of the brother of that woman lokks like a dog. Cusack. The movie was bag man. With De Niro. THere´s a moment the woman will start saying she loves Israel. WTF.
here´s the part of the script:
https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=the-bag-man
Just use the locate button with “Israel”.
The second one is the movie of the son of appolo. His girllfriend saying she´s becoming deaf. From all the word she could make is a bull. A fucking bull.
I´m off from Hollywood shit.
There´s more but i´m too tired. Getting actors to just show one eye.
Anyway another question is do we want to live mormons? Most importantly who is right? Should we die sooner? Are scientific progress good or bad? Isn´t medicine going against god? By wanting to change nature?
You praised Elvis. He was considered satanic. Are we the old people who considered rock n roll evil?
Don´t know.
Look at you forum. It was a place of liberty. After a while it got too big. You´ve started users control. Equivalent to population control. After a while, started to ask people to be beta. And finally you´ve created an elite. People above certain threshold can post in some forums. This is pretty much what the elite does.
Going to sleep.
‘m learning sign language and stuff.
But I really can only
remember bad words.
Ones that aren’t that useful like…
The fuck’s that?
You cant tell? This is the bull,
the horns, this is…
Yeah, this is bullshit.
That’s your favorite?
Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=creed
All right, so how’d
you end up here?
I’m from Israel, originally.
I’m not asking for your entire life
history… What do you mean, “Israel”?
– You don’t sound like you’re from Israel.
– Yeah, but I like Israel.
But you’re not from there.
Doesn’t matter.
I like Israel.
I love Israel.
Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=the-bag-man
All right, so how’d
you end up here?
I’m from Israel, originally.
I’m not asking for your entire life
history… What do you mean, “Israel”?
– You don’t sound like you’re from Israel.
– Yeah, but I like Israel.
But you’re not from there.
Doesn’t matter.
I like Israel.
I love Israel.
All right. Um…
Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=the-bag-man
Like most Americans, American Conservatives don’t really know what it is they want or what they’d do with it exactly if they got it. Americans are fickle. Ask one what they want on Tuesday and again on Thursday and you’re bound to get two diametrically opposed answers.
As on so many sites that discuss the conservative problem, there’s nothing here but blather, armchair analysis, and whining.
Act. Do not think. Do not analyze. Do not discuss.
That stuff is for guys who want to kill time while they watch things burn.
Form a plan and act.
But how many guys here can do that?
https://www.livescience.com/28242-macho-dudes-preferred-less-developed-countries.html
hard times make strong men and good women for family
oppostie gives opposite results.
one thing only : get rid of welfare state.
There is only one patriarchal conservative political spiritual saviour left in the world. The Antichrist. The catholic pope. He ruled the world through the dark ages, but received a deadly wound. Watch him now rise out of the ashes to create order out of the chaos.
“Those who are most sensitive about “politically incorrect†terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any “oppressed†group but come from privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors, who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual white males from middle-to upper-middle-class families.”
. . . quotes Roosh quite happily, seemingly unaware that he’s a white-majority male middle class OECD citizen with access to technology, running water, and free speech goes on all around him all the time. If you (or he) actually talk to minorities, they certainly ARE concerned about the abuses and exclusion which is foisted upon them, either from the broader social system or anonymous hateful individuals online. If they speak for themselves (and they certainly do) and white educated people do, and plenty of (fairly dumb) white people do, then you’re left with provocateurs and insulting assholes like Roosh V – banned in various countries for becoming a ‘lighting rod’ of hate over gender issues and sex offence issues in the justice system, none of which affect him personally, but then it all disappears with a ‘yeah but no-one’s heard of him anyway’ kind of empty fart.
GREAT ARTICLE that hits the nail right on the head.
Conservative Inc is becoming irrelevant. People are beginning to see that they are only a faux opposition who do not want to win, only serve their masters. People could ignore that before but the situation is too desperate to do so any longer. That is why the left is going into full ban mode on social media. The powers that be only want fake opposition like Shapiro and Peterson to be the voice of opposition
Daryush Valizadeh is wrong, of course. He doesn’t get it.
The so-called leaders of conservatives are bought by billionaire mercantilists, who, secretly work to institute socialism / democratic welfare for the masses because billionaires:
1) hate competitors and hate for their capital to rendered obsolete thru competition (aka creative destruction)
2) want to equalize spending power so the “poorer” can buy and consume more.
Big business billionaires are mercantilists and have been always. They view elected government the way their forebears viewed constitutional monarchism — a mechanism to stay on top by controlling competition through law and justifying their misdeeds through rhetoric.
It’s not that from a ideological / doctrinal view that rank-and-file conservatives are weak. It’s that conservatives let themselves be misled by those who betray them.
They do so because they believe billionaires mercantilists and let them pay for the the think tanks and other mouthpieces, including religious leaders, who tell the rank-and-file what to believe.
Dary claims, “The biggest reason why conservatives will continue to lose is that they’re still not ready to kill the left “
His claim is false.
The biggest reason why conservatives lose is this: Few seek manhood, that is, few work toward the ideal of being a man (person). Most are easily corrupted through sex, food energy and entertainment (today, free TV, movies) without having to earn such.
The word virtue means manhood. Virtue is not one of a few good characteristics. Virtue is the whole man nearly perfected. Almost none among us work toward manhood or even care for it.
Most want orgasms, whether from sex, food or entertainment. Most are sloth-filled and gluttonous or are easily led down toward degeneracy.
Roosh is a Doosh….. Conservative win every day vs soy boy libtards. The pantywaists wing of the conservative movement is filled wit whining crybabies like Paul Ryan and Roosh.
I used to be a conservative, but got tired of losing. Now am a radicalized normal.
The BIGGEST problem with Conservatives is their holier than thou way of fighting and dealing with conflict. “Hey! We’re better than that guys!!!” they say. And I’m like “NO! We are NOT!” As long as we think we’re better than that and we can only fight like gentleman, we will LOSE.. and ALWAYS lose.
It reminds me of that scene in The Patriot where the British General scolds his Colonel telling him “damn it man.. we must fight like gentleman!”
Roosh you’ve missed the boat on this hard. Conservatism won in the USA for years and years from the beginning of the 19th century to roughly 1980 or perhaps 1960 if you prefer that era as a milestone. Your frame is a weakling’s frame. The truth is that conservatives are producers while socialists are thieves. When there is no fertile soil left to till because the socialists poisoned the earth, the conservatives pack up and leave to where nature’s gifts are bountiful. Because of this, socialists become poor as they always do, they corrupt themselves with sterility, and eventually they die of starvation. While the consevative must sacrifise himself for the world to come to learn this crucial lesson, so does every great leader. It is the leaders of our world who are remembered. They are never treated fairly, but they inherit the world in death as did the Christ. When the masses are begging for water and shelter like in Mad Max, history will remember the consevatives because they are the only reason there was any liberty to be enjoyed at all. It seems very nihilist to say it, but the globalist cult of rich homosexuals will lead to Mad Max, that is the end game. If you think conservatives are the only losers in that scenario, think again.
Great article, Roosh. Very much on the mark.
Yep. You’re 100% right. We have lost the battle to the left and there’s no going back. They are relentless, they never quit and they have won. With hard pushing from the left, you can expect paedophilia to be both legal and celebrated in the next couple of decades- maybe sooner. It’s also a matter of time before we implement communism rebadged for the 21st century as the predominant economic system. Not joking either. I wish it weren’t so.
At least they are notextremely miserable sore losers like the left.
I agree I have said this when you said no weapons at your meeting in Washington. Standing and letting this group of sick perverted sacks of shit beat on you to prove you are not violent is not helping anyone. They are evil. They do not care about truth or integrity. It is long long past time to fight
William Pierce wrote about this presciently nearly 5 decades ago Roosh:
http://williamlutherpierce.flawlesslogic.com/why-conservatives-cant-win/
This entire article misses the point that Neoconservatives have been on the other side and have, at least up until very recently, been in charge of the Republican party for decades. They are mad has hell now because Trump has taken the party away from them.
What a shitty post. Fuck you Roosh from a conservative.
Roosh,
It’s too late for that kind of a return to a pre-modern state of society. True that it had its merit but now to go back to that state would require a apocalyptic scenario which destroys all our modern institutions and technology. And I’m not if we would want that.
As much as I hate to admit it, I have realized since some time now that the identity game that the Left loves to play and has mastered playing, is going to be our source of salvation. Rather than arguing for a return to pre 1900 state of affairs which would be easy to be maligned as “unrealistic” and silly by our Enemy, we should be campaigning and advocating for Men’s rights that would make men’s plights a little easier in the world.
We can start with
1. Demanding that child support by a man for a child whose paternity is not scientifically established is UNFAIR and UNJUST to the man.
2.The support of a child is the responsibility of the mother not the father. In the case of the absence of the mother’s support, the State should do the job. In no case should a man who is not the proven biological father be required to do anything that helps the raising of the child.
3. Marriage itself, being the archaic system it is, unsuited for a post-modern society should be dismantled completely. Children would be cared for by mothers or with the help of tax-supported State programs (yes .. still better than cucking a man for life)
4. Paternity tests should be made mandatory for all children under the new laws.
These should be our stated goals and we should boycott every one of these oppressive systems, even unto death, till we get what we need. Its time for men to pay the left back in kind. #MGTOW
This is the same guy who ran away from a bunch of women after his rape article.
Practice what you preach Roosh.
Lets be honest, did the church fight for men rights, father rights?
Over the past 40+ years, tens upon tens of millions of men’s lives have been destroyed through divorce. Hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of those men, upon realizing that their future was destroyed, committed suicide. How did this happen? Chritiano/feminist divorce.
As a bread winning man, your wife can cheat on you, cuckold you and then walk away with most of your assets and future income. While she’s off writing the next chapter of her life with the pool boy or bartender, you’ll be forced by law to finance her life goals through alimony and child support – else go to jail.
Did you know that child support is another form of alimony? Why is that true? Because child support is based on what you make. It goes up exponentially based upon what you earn – and is tax deductible to the recipient (your now deeply hated X wife), not the payer (the man fool who will die homeless).
Lets be honest men in the west are treated as animals, no reproduction rights, no custody rights, beast of burden of women, war slaves, men are disposable, there is more compasion for dogs than for men. There has been a deep decline in marriage rates over the past several decades, that perfectly aligns with the implementation of Chritiano/feminist divorce.
In the US, thanks to their dead husbands, fathers and divorce raped X husbands, women now hold the majority of US wealth. Laws are already in place to specifically privilege women over men and to give women easy access to destroy men’s lives (no-fault divorce, Title IX, Yes Means Yes, Affirmative Action, the VAWA, etc). These laws and policies have nothing to do with equality and everything to do with ensuring women’s privilege over men and the redistribution of men’s wealth and power to women.
The POPE recently made the statement that men need to stop blaming feminism for their problems. THE POPE SAID THIS!
Know why? For the same reason white knight politicians pander to women for their votes. The last thing you want to do as a man is get married.
Unfortunately, the majority of women will sit back and watch men be destroyed. Why? Because the denigration of men and the redistribution of wealth from men to women suits them.
The bonus is – so long as they don’t claim to be feminists – they really had nothing to do with the plight of men. It’s no different than the mass silence of people during the slave days or the mass silence while the Jews were being slaughtered.
There was an unacknowledged, unspoken gain being had – and those having it weren’t going to rock the boat. Sure – there’s a minority of women out there working for true fairness and equality, but the vast majority of women will sit idly by as men are pushed further and further down the economic and social ladder.
Now that men are opting out of marriage in record numbers and the birth rate is collapsing in Westernized nations, and men starting to convert to ISLAM, they are afraid. If you want to see the future of the US and all Westernized nations, look to Sweden.
The root of this cancer is in the fakeJudeo Christian values.
Judeo as ……….. Israel.
No Woman, No Crime: Israeli Men, legally harassed by women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahZTWBB26Cw&t=2s
The west criminalized divorce for men, in an era were divorce is a certainty, the penalty is paramount of a death sentence proved by the fact that many men prefer to kill themselves after receiving their divorce sentence.
By doing so, they have the facto criminalized Marriage and family, that was the beguining of the collapse, and instead of correcting this they have worsen everything with feminism.
Usually people talk about a 50% divorce rate, is a dangerous lie, it takes in account men married in the 60´s and the 70´s , the relevant data is that 95% of the people married ten years ago are divorced, wich means that by getting married and having children men have commited a seriuos crime, and they will be sent to the slaves markets (family courts) , the punishment is delayed but is guaranted.
National Survey of Family Growth: http://www.statisticbrain.com/marriage-statistics
Judeo christian values aka feminism, is the cancer that kills entire countries.
The west are criminal matriarchies nothing more, but the level of oppression has increased to intolerable limits.
The pain of Europe’s economic crisis is being felt sharply by a new class of people:
Separated and divorced men who end up impoverished or on the streets as they struggle to maintain themselves while keeping up child support and alimony payments. Stories about divorced Italian young fathers sleeping on the streets or in their cars is not exactly a strong advertising for fatherhood.â€
Men see this and are turned off from pursuing becoming a father, Women see this and can’t find a suitable mate. No one gives a damn after this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/26/world/europe/in-italy-economy-and-law-leave-many-single-fathers-broke-and-homeless.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&
You will cry after watching this video !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsVt6-PgdNc&t=6s
And the west is dying, in fact is already dead.
Western Civilizations Will Go Extinct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LA5xhXk_4U&t=6s
Demographic Winter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XQjfG2wYc
Then there is a growing perception that this collapse is not cyclical but secular. Increasingly, young Europeans are deciding not to start families—the key to future growth—in reaction to the recession.
Even in once-rigidly Catholic Spain, marriage and fertility rates have been falling for decades, and family structure weakening. Spaniards are having fewer children now than they did during the brutal civil war of the late 1930s. Alejandro Macarrón Larumbe, a Madrid-based management consultant, in his 2011 book, El Suicidio Demográfico de España, points out that the actual number of Spanish newborns has declined to an 18th-century level.
Spain, long concerned about its ageing population and emptying countryside, has passed a milestone in population decline, recording more deaths than births in the first half of this year.
Deaths exceeded births by more than 19,000 in the first half of 2015, a turnaround from a year earlier when there were nearly 4,000 more births than deaths, the National Statistics Institute (INE) said.
Deaths outnumber births in Spain
Spain has not consistently experienced more deaths than births since its 1936-39 civil war or the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, according to news reports. Deaths briefly exceeded births in early 1999, but demographers considered that a blip, while now they see it as the start of a longer trend.
“False Accusations in Spain”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=157&v=GjgBfklmYj8
Only a retard can think nowadays that feminism is about equality.
Feminism has created a dictatorship, destroyed civil rights and due process, equality under the law and presumtion of innocence, like in rape acusations and domestic violence laws, created dozens of new crimes (sexual harassment, offenses to women, DNA testing your own kid in Britain, afirmative consent, etc).
The atrocities of the reversed burden of proof in criminal cases against men, the spanish nazi courts with their offender based laws.
The modern legal system is set to transfer financial resources from men to women. It is stacked against men, in that most accusations of rape, sexual abuse, sexual harassment can instantly ruin a man who, by law, is presumed guilty unless proven innocent.
Feminists manipulative control of the legal and family court system created a monster that subjugates men. Men are a bunch of lambs that obediently go to slaughter. Like the Jews went to the gas chamber. But it is worse then the Jews in WW II. There is no country persecuted men can flee to and get asylum. Oppressed exploited wage enslaved men are not recognized as persecuted refugees.
Such men can either suffer the rest of their lives in poverty, in the Gulag jail of feminist dictatorship. Or they can act like men and fight back. Men are repressed cradle to grave. In kindergarten and primary school, boys fall behind because female-only teaching staff gears school towards girl’s preferences and punishes boys for being boys. Female indoctrination continues through University, where a terror regime of sexual harassment laws stifles academic freedom and research.
Feminism successfully destroyed the basis of every society, the core family, they have shamed and forced men into obedience and made masculinity a crime… Not exactly the very best preconditions to fight… let’s say an aggressive religious ideology that sees men as the pinnacle of evolution, treats women like cattle and whose followers breed like rabbits.
Movements like Men Going Their Own Way have arisen because Western Society seems to have no structure left and EVERYONE is going his or her own way. Men in this movement are just following the tide.
I have ZERO desire to protect women from radical Islam. Think about it. What am I defending? No fault divorce? Transexualizing of children? Abortion on demand? “Democratic tyranny”? Sorry, I don’t feel motivated to maintain the factory that builds my chains.
Since women are capable of standing by and watching men get ravaged by divorce courts, crap wars, suicide rates, double standards, Title 9, and 50 years of cultural bashing, I am capable of standing by and watching women and their cohorts in leftism the LGBT get stoned to death or thrown off buildings.
They hate me? Well, I hate them. Heck, all I have to do is trade in the AR for an AK, grow a beard, and convert. And women? They get to wear a sack. Big deal – they can still get to be wives and mothers, albeit for a guy with a beard and a little darker. Those who don’t, well, I’ll give as much of a fuck for them as they give for me. Their cries for mercy will be heard like my cries for equal justice under the law, for reason, for fairness, and for respect.
I support nothing in the West, and I defend nothing in the West, as it slides into the dark abyss. For all the shit and garbage that Men have had to put up with in the last 50 years, with me the final straw was when white women in Canada are now being groomed to accept the hajib and niqab as a fashion accessory because they KNOW it will eventually be forced upon them by the soon-to-be majority muslims in our country.
How did a well written article about the failings of conservatism devolve into a bashing of christianity?
Been saying this for literally years to friends, family, and colleagues. Until conservatives are ready to kill the enemies who want to kill them, the war is lost.