Contraception Prevents Love

Many people, including myself, have come to the conclusion that there is an agenda to block reproduction. Most phenomenon in modern Western society, such as homosexuality, casual sex, feminism, transgenderism, and divorce laws, among many others, are meant to keep the birth rate below the replacement rate for the simple reason that, in the age of high technology, elites do not need more human beings to maintain control or enhance their power and wealth. One of their most prized methods for achieving this goal is contraception.

Contraception offers both direct and indirect means of reducing births. You’re already familiar with the direct methods of birth control pills, condoms, and sterilization surgery. The normalization of birth control in particular is more successful than its original backer, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., could have imagined. Women today see birth control the same as taking a vitamin, and many believe that it is a human right. Any country where birth control is normalized does not have a birth rate that exceeds the replacement rate.

John D. Rockfeller Jr. funded the birth control crusade of Margaret Sanger, who abandoned her polio-inflicted daughter to have a promiscuous lifestyle

The direct effects of contraception show only societal trends that bean counters appreciate, but the indirect effects on the individual are far more damaging. Contraceptives allow virtually risk-free casual sex, an act that used to be the most intimate of intimates, reserved for only a husband or wife. Sex used to be a huge practical and emotional decision, on the level of buying a house. Now, it is more like choosing which restaurant to eat dinner at, but even the latter takes more care as you check reviews and ask around to assess the restaurant’s quality. Now, men are ready and able to put their penises in any woman, no reviews needed, and it’s even worse that women have become just like men in having sex for the most fleeting of reasons based on their primal desires.

Before you think I’ve turned into some kind of sex puritan, it’s important to understand that we are all born with a set amount of bonding glue. This glue is required to connect with a member of the opposite sex for love that is practical or romantic for the goal of creating a family. Each episode of casual sex, which contraceptives enable (along with other medical advances like antibiotics that treat sexually transmitted diseases), permanently reduces the amount of bonding glue you possess.

The best way to explain how bonding glue works is to use the old analogy of adhesive tape on a box. When you want to ship a package, you seal it with tape. The recipient can open the package by peeling off the tape, which will retain some stickiness, perhaps enough to ship a new package, but far less than when it was fresh off the roll. If you keep applying and removing tape from a box, it will soon not stick at all. Each time you have casual sex, you’re applying tape to a box and then removing it.

Women lose far more bonding glue than men with each sexual encounter. I believe that most women will only retain enough adhesive to sleep with between one to five men in their lives before irreparably damaging their ability to love any man. This is why contraceptives are disproportionately targeted to them—if you can get women to have casual sex with only a handful of men, your depopulation agenda will be a guaranteed success.

Men, on the other hand, barely lose any bonding glue with a casual sex encounter. Consider that the deepest I was ever in love was three years ago, well after I achieved a surplus notch count. Before that relationship, I was self-aware enough to slow down fornication when I felt it was beginning to damage me, with sufficient bonding glue remaining. I’ve also met many men with notch counts higher than mine who can still bond with women in a reasonably healthy way (as much as modernity allows), but a woman with the same notch count is likely to develop a severe mental illness. Any child she makes will be accidental and raised in a broken home.

I’m not attempting to portray sleeping around as more justified for men than women, because there is nothing noble about pursuing non-reproductive sex, and a man who finds himself doing so is certainly the product of a declining society, but women are far more affected by casual sex than men. This is why the past is full of societies that valued the virginal status of women. Men instinctively knew, even thousands of years ago, that the best chance of creating a successful family is when the woman had all of her bonding glue intact.

The healthiest approach to sex for men is sleeping with women without the option to use contraceptives or other forms of modern medical assistance. If you couldn’t use a condom, she couldn’t use birth control, there was no option of abortion, and there were no antibiotics to treat the gonorrhea she could give you, would you still sleep with her? If the answer is no then you shouldn’t sleep with her, because you will lose bonding glue for a purely hedonistic experience. It’s more important for a woman to imagine this scenario than a man, because she can only make a few mistakes before forever saying goodbye to the possibility of love and family. I went on an international bang tour for fifteen years and found love in a hopeless place, but can you imagine a girl doing that? The only thing she’ll find is a bottle of wine to chase down her antidepressant pills.

If an invention or cultural phenomenon was widespread by the time you were an adolescent, you are likely to conclude that it’s “normal,” but universal contraception with surgical backup options is an abnormally new invention. Sleeping with a woman who is effectively sterilized (perhaps moreso mentally than physically) with practically no risk of physical harm has only been possible for a tiny part of human history, with the result that it has destroyed our ability to love and create families. In the meanwhile, elites at the top laugh at our bonobo-like behavior and the ease at which we can be controlled through our sexual desires.

I realized the dangers of pursuing sex for purely hedonistic purposes while I still have bonding glue left, but for millions of women, it’s far too late, and the main thing that makes them women, having children, has been forever taken away from them.

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I don’t believe the left wants to block reproduction for all – I believe that like everything else they destroy (particularly our traditionally held beliefs/norms/definitions) they want to re-invent and re-imagine it on their terms AND only when politically expedient to do so. The family, the workplace, the medical profession, the military and on and on – all taken over, re-invented/re-imagined and warped by the left, but also done strategically to get liberals elected at various places and times. Remember, the left always craves absolute, ever-expanding power….blocking reproduction outright reduces their power.

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This article discusses the discarding of the Western Tradition by intellectuals quite thoroughly:
https://quillette.com/2018/11/10/camille-paglia-its-time-for-a-new-map-of-the-gender-world/

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“I’m not attempting to portray sleeping around as more justified for men than women, because there is nothing noble about pursuing non-reproductive sex”

Says the guy who has written numerous books about pursuing casual sex and spent a significant amount of his life focused on it. You are a fucking moron and sham.

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Of course, you should not bother considering or even reading the article in full…

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He has grown wiser with age.

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Cavalier Ok, he’s grown wiser with age. So why is he still selling books and giving advice about how to bang women around the world? Why hasn’t he settled down with a traditional Persian woman? His dad has offered to set him up with an extremely tradcon virgin wife from Iran.

Why hasn’t he found a wife and had a child with her? It’s not like he doesn’t have the skills to do it. He’s pushing 40 and still has yet to have even one child despite sleeping with over 100 women.

I get that he may have changed his views. But if he wants anyone to take him seriously on this he has to walk the walk. There are many men never really wanted to be family men. Who feel suffocated with all of the extra responsibilities and restrictions on their lifestyle that have more kids than Roosh.

It’s time for him either to stop being a hypocrite, get married, and have kids. Or admit that he was never serious about condemning casual sex and was only pandering to the tradcons in his audience. I don’t care what he does either way. But I’m getting tired of reading dishonest articles by him about marriage and reproduction.

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Yeah, because none of us change our perspectives through age, experiences and wisdom, right? We must be like “Kris” and keep forever a teenage mindset and believe we reached our peak knowledge by 18.

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The like count on this post indicate ex buzzfeed and huffpo ‘writers’ are still viewing this site out of habit hehe

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Another quality article

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This article is good. I’ve said this for years. Guys and girls are different.
Girls are emotional and not.logical.
Guys can bang a chick w no emotions involved.
VERY FEW girls, if any, can do this.
They might think they can and then guilt starts creeping and they hit the bottle or meds.
And as roosh says here, these chicks become irreparably damaged at a certain point and them they can stop being useless sluts.
Even if a guy loves them, they will have an emotional breakdown at some point and will run to cheap cheating sex because she has to prove that such behavior wasnt a bad choice that is causing her present distress.
This is EXCEPTIONALLY predicable but it surprises each girl every damn time they do it.

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Correction: then they CANT stop being sluts.

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Yes, they can. In Christ, they are made new and old things fall away. In Christ, they are redeemed from the inside, and joy ensues. In Christ, all things are possible, for those whom He elects.

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shouldn’t a man, then, consider a woman’s inability to disconnect emotion from sex (which was designed to be the most intimate thing a man or woman could do, thus creating life) and use this knowledge wisely and not pursue vacuous sexual encounters and conquests? or does he have no responsibility to the woman he chooses to sleep with (regardless of how slutty she may be)?

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No, in the realm of sex, all of this responsibility is (and should be) on the women, as they have all of the power in this space. Women in general wanted (and have achieved) unilateral and total power regarding human reproduction for the first time in human history, they will not relinquish any of it voluntarily and thus trying to pin the consequences of this cherished choice of women on the male sexual imperative is fundamentally dishonest blame-shifting onto men of the irrational sex’s collective decision.

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Women are literally attracted to men who use them for vacuous sexual encounters….good ‘ol hypergamy at its finest….no responsibility/rationality whatsoever.

And sadly, many of these men would also be beyond reproach…not that it would matter as supply would soon exceed demand and you’d have an even more polarized sexual market where the guys that buck the rules are even more rewarded.

Past societies dealt with this with social taboos, fathers vetting suitors, keeping daughters under their roof until they are ready to transition to marriage, etc. Modern society has the checks and balances all removed and women look forward to being college dorm sluts before they are 20.

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Why the fuck would the man have responsibility.

He doesn’t. A man can’t care for the needs of any woman he meets. You lose period.

Your demand is insane. Anyway never gonna happen. MEN DON’T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. Idiot. You talk like women aren’t responsible for themselves. They should be.

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True, but guys’ emotional attachment is much deeper and far more genuine than womens’. Sure, it is easier for men to bang out sluts in one night stands in general as opposed to most women, but in the context of the serial/often mini- relationships that women tend to prefer it is the man who is more damaged. This is true in each instance and cumulatively. Women monkey branch to the next chump and it is like you never existed; their emotions are stronger in spurts, but far more shallow than men.

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” I went on an international bang tour for fifteen years and found love in a hopeless place…”

Roosh, what made it a “hopeless place”??

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I dunno, isn’t it a bit too convenient that men can shag around and still pair bond no problem? I’m skeptical. Life doesn’t tend to be convenient like that in my experience – quite the opposite.

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I think men just pay a different price for it. The capacity of a man to love fully when he finds himself surrounded by women who cannot truly love him back will only bring him despair. It’s a pretty common theme.

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“I went on an international bang tour for fifteen years and found love in a hopeless place”

Did Roosh settle down with a girl in his new country or something?

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Well so why you were pursuing those chicks instead of settling down and having kids when you had a chance? And second thing is that women often stop believing in love after they got their first break up or betrayal… after that they just use men.

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He has already outlined that in prior articles on this blog. TL:DR, he has standards for the mother of any of his future children and in sorting through so many women through so many bangs, he could not find a woman who meets his standards. As the tentacles of feminist-oriented clown world expand into former family-oriented societies, the ongoing expansion of the masses of broken women have rendered any mating strategy of settling down early with a minimally damaged girl almost moot.

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He admitted that his father who is Iranian offered to arrange a marriage between him and a traditional woman in Iran. He declined. If he can’t find a traditional woman in Iran. Then the problem isn’t feminism. It’s that his standards are unrealistically high.

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Roosh, let me propose something. I have been an avid follower for years. We all know society is declining, we all know about the decay it leaves on gender relationships and the domino effect that follows it. I think it would benefit your followers if you could propose ways to counter this, how to profit off it, how to tame the beast. This article is a great analogy nevertheless. I propose we analyze society with the in depth knowledge you have, but also a counter or alternative men can potentially use. I understand 90 percent won’t work, but if we find that one counter we can start turning things around. If a girl tells me that she is on birth control, I wont even bother fucking her. Im in my mid 30s and I dont care about my notch count, for me refusing a girl and making her upset because she is on birth control is something on the micro level but at least it can have an effect on her and potentially her friends, “oh he didnt wana fuck me cuz i was on the pill”, maybe then girls will drop it. Just a small example, and I do understand that 90 percent this will fail. Worth a shot. P.S. you promised me a breadmaker! LOL

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BC is no joke, literally ruined one of my Exes and her ability to even enjoy having sex. Caused her to be so out of touch with her body. Devaluing sex and the enjoyment that women receive from it. Very adverse affects on the body and your love life. Safe to say, that one didn’t work out!

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This is poignant.

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Wise article. And the kind of sex we have now – basically gay sex between heteros, with girls dropping to their knees like Jody Foster in Taxi Driver before even making-out, the worst it gets. There is a very good chance your grandfather never ejaculated into your grandmother’s mouth, if I may say so.

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This is something I’ve been thinking about recently, and it’s so true it hurts. I’ve had the brief beginnings of a journal entry sitting in a notebook for a couple of weeks. It goes like this: “If I could go back and change one thing, if I could make only one decision differently, I would never, ever, ever use birth control.”

I went on the pill at the request of my first husband, before and after we had our two boys.

Then I got an IUD, also at his request… because he wanted us to be swingers.

If I had never agreed to use birth control, we never would have gone down that road. He would never have dared suggest it with the risk of me getting knocked up by some random dude hanging over his head. I don’t think we would have stayed married regardless, but we might have had more than two children, and I would have at least exited the marriage with a “notch count” of ONE instead of nearly twenty. And I wouldn’t have gone on to repeat the same mistake in my next relationship.

It was easy to rationalize and justify at the time, even though it went against everything I had ever believed in or stood for in my youth, because it really did seem like I was in a position to indulge those desires with impunity. If there’s anything I’ve learned, it’s that every decision has its price, and that price SHALL be paid, regardless of whether you understand the cost going into it, and no matter how avoidable it might seem.

In the end, I don’t think I lost much “bonding glue” (if any) to the men who functioned as sex toys to “spice up” those ultimately doomed relationships – but I certainly lost more of it to the men I’d given my heart to, than I might have if I had never done those things at their behest. I think the damage dealt was less from the casual sex itself and more from the ultimate failure of the relationships in which the extracurricular sex occurred, and the realization that I’d compromised my principles, given something that I shouldn’t have, to please men who didn’t really have my best interests/safety at heart.

The reason I pulled a 180 from my last relationship and went running back to the standard I had clung to in my youth (find a suitable man who doesn’t want to share, give myself to him, call it good) is because I saw the principle you’ve described here at play in my own psyche. I couldn’t have described it coherently at the time myself, I just KNEW that all of those things I thought I could justify doing (and get away with) were hurting me.

I feel pretty lucky. I’ve really only had to rip the tape off twice. I used to like to think that was because I was really good at compartmentalizing sex and attachment. Now I see that in every case, for every casual encounter, my existing bond was simply an emotional buffer against new ones. But if you look at what’s happened with every man I’ve been sexually involved with when I was otherwise unattached (ex-husband, ex-boyfriend, and now my fiancé)… I fell head over heels in love with all of them stupidly fast.

It’s hard to even imagine where I might be if I’d bought into hedonism as a young, single, childless woman and ended up ripping that tape off over and over again. Dead in a gutter somewhere by now, probably.

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That’s disgusting and makes me want to get married even less. Modern people are pigs.

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In retrospect it’s shocking. At the time, it was too easy to go along with everything. I’ve seen plenty of guys on RVF talk about how leading women down the road to degeneracy is like boiling a frog. It was just like that. One little degree at a time.

But I was very young and sheltered and didn’t have any support or direction to speak of from my family in the matter of choosing a good husband. I was taught to follow “happiness” when I should have been taught to be intensely critical, skeptical, judgmental. Or better yet, not left to make that decision on my own at all. I understood what qualities I was looking for, but I was not experienced or qualified enough to identify a liar.

I would encourage you to marry. You seem to have a good sense of what constitutes a good man and a healthy marriage. It sounds like you had better examples than I did.

There ARE still good men out there who will make wonderful husbands. If you can avoid getting caught up in the ethereal notions of “love” and “happiness” and not allow a man’s WORDS to blind you to his ACTIONS, I think you could do well.

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Thank you for sharing Kitty. I’m sure many here appreciate it.

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Kitty Tantrum: You’re gross! Weren’t you the one just lecturing young men that they can find a “good woman” like you if they go for quality instead of looks?! Given your descriptive tale of allowing yourself to be used as a cum dumpster for multiple men while married you don’t deserve to have another husband at all! Let along a “good man”!!

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Mike Hunter: I’ll bite. You’re absolutely right. I did disgusting things. I’m not trying to put myself out there as some kind of paragon of purity and virtue. I guarantee you nobody is more disgusted with the things I’ve done than I am.

The point I’m trying to make is that there are good girls out there. From age 0-25 or so, I did everything “right,” checked all the boxes, etc. And when it came down to it, the thing that set me on the wrong path was NOT any sort of desire to be “used as a cum dumpster” but rather to please my husband, the man I thought I was going to be with for the rest of my life. It was naive and stupid and misguided, sure. But a far cry from having jumped on the carousel of my own volition. Had I been paired up with a better MAN who was honest and true in his claims of wanting a traditional religious life, one who did not desire or request that I do those disgusting things, I never would have done them.

Guys in the manosphere at large talk all the time about how women are more easily influenced than men, how a woman in love will fall into her man’s frame and can be influenced to do all manner of things in baby steps. I’m a prime example of that. And my ex is a prime example of how degeneracy sown among men can poison women by extension.

Do I think men should be looking for a woman exactly like I am TODAY? Obviously not if they want a childless virgin. But they SHOULD be looking for women like the woman I was in my youth: not much to look at because I was raised to be modest/not wear makeup, virgin by choice, domestically inclined, sweet/quiet temperament, frugal, and would do just about anything to please her husband. Good men who want families should be out there finding those women and giving them righteous homes in which to raise children. If “good” men don’t find them and marry them, these women WILL settle for the best option that comes along before they get too far into their twenties. Some of them end up ruined by that – or dead.

Whether I “deserve” another husband is subjective, and irrelevant. I’m sure you would love it if every lapse of moral judgment by a woman resulted in her growing old and dying alone and miserable, but fortunately for me I’m still pretty enough, pleasant enough, loyal enough, and can cook and clean well enough – that’s just not going to happen. wink

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What about porn? You can watch the best, handsome males. With every watched porn bonding glue is also removed. That fits also to watching popular and rich males. Simply knowledge of better (even non-available) options remove the glue.

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THIS is exactly true. I am married now to a girl who was a virgin and she is 100% attached to me. Before her I was with a french girl and I was her first. She was raised in the country. At the age of 24 she cheated on me after I treated her pretty bad. It was quite sad because we still kept in contact. She told me she tried to find a relationship like ours but she was crying on a skype call saying “I feel so cold and calculating now, it can never be simple and innocent like we had”. Last I heard she was been with 4 men after me, 1 was a 1 night stand, and others were more normal 5-6 dates and then have a mini relationship.

As of now, she’s 30 or 31 and still single and I highly doubt she’ll ever bond with a man like she did with me. I would never accept her back as she’s totally broken. Women really do think like that “Oh, I’m on the pill! Let’s have some FUN and fuck some guys!”. I think some do realize the errors of their ways later but by then it’s too late.

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This is my experience also.

A girlfriend I had 10 years ago I was her first (and also her first kiss) at age 21. Very unusual. She has been with one guy since, and still has a bond with me.

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Mothers plant, fathers prune.

Jesus Christ died so that we could be holy, not happy.

Love is found in sacrifices of the short term which produce greater rewards in the long.

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I just talked to a turkish guy in Berlin and he was laughing about the fact that 70% of the girls in Berlin who even have babies are single parents.
And the number of singles in general in Berlin is alarmingly high.
But that city is like a laboratory for globalist-liberal way of life, it’s like a modern day Babylon with trannies, homos, promiscuity, drugs, feminists, leftist activists everywhere. That town is sick to its core.
There’s no kids, no families, no femininity, no future, no men’s rights anywhere in Berlin except in dark-skinned muslim immigrant communities.
And oh boys how these immigrants are laughing at native German’s expense while taking everything from them like a candy from a baby.
They have zero respect for westerners and for a good reason.

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Or they’re desperately trying to save their culture and hate you for trying to wreck it.

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If they are trying to “save their culture”, why don’t they do it in their own countries?

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I completely agree that this era of contraception and sexual freedom is only a very recent, small part of humanity history.
Thus, our laws, habits and customs, and our minds, had no time to adapt to what we allow our bodies to indulge in, and to the consequences. And thus all the erratic behaviors, from both men and women, instead of what used to be the conservative normalized life with the stability it provided.
But is all this a scheme from the elites? I don’t think so. It’s a global community choice, people were given opportunities that were in step with human natural desires and weaknesses, and they gladly adopted them. Maybe the elites can use some of the behavior change now, but I don’t think they really were able to induce it. When all this started (1960/1970), elites were conservative and tried to oppose this new way of life.

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Anybody here read “Sexual Utopia in Power”, from F. Roger Devlin, in The Occidental Quarterly? What it tells is quite consistent with what we say here, and Roosh’s recurrent topics.

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What´s the solution? This is like mental masturbation. Should we create a fund and lobby the congress to repeal contraception pills? My opinion is contraception pills should be banned. But at the same time woman should be paid to have kids. 10k. Only nationals. The birth of a kid is extremely demanding for woman. In some ways they are heroes. They have to be in the hospital getting cut. Taking injections in their spines. After the kid wakes up every 2 hour. With hunger or diaper dirty. This is a real sacrifice. And society thinks people should have kids just because? After the 3rd year they are beautiful. But the first 3 years. You need to move house. Buy bigger house. Something needs to change? Are we the sanes in the nuts house. Or are we the nuts in the sane house? Reality is stranger than fiction.

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I think raising the issues around birth control pills / Mirena and the issues they cause is a start.

I had one girlfriend lose a significant amount of hair on one pill (a good 1/3rd of her hair thickness, took us a while to work out what it was), and my ex-fiance get ulcerative colitis from the Mirena® IUD. She spent years eating organic food etc to only just start to manage it now.

Google these terms and you’ll read of many horror shows.

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The solution is to deregulate male sexuality. Repeal statutory alimony and child support. Such provisions could still be written into a prenup and enforced if agreed to by both parties beforehand. How many women would become single mothers if the knew they and their child could literally be forced to live under a bridge?

Also decriminalize prostitution. Attractive pussy is way overvalued in the United States. Once any man can get laid by a hot disease free 9 or 10 for $50 woman would be forced to stop holding sex over a man’s head. They’d have to bring real value to a relationship besides just a warm hole.

Prostitution was only criminalized during the temperance movement during the 1920’s. As soon as women got the vote they took away: the working mans drink, his access to easy pussy, and created a welfare state transferred money from men to women at the point of a gun. Before that if a woman wanted resources from a man she had to cater to his needs. The easiest way to do that was to become his wife ensure that she wasn’t replaced concentrating on massively increasing his quality of life.

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I also add that incapability of creating solid relationship by a woman could be also deducted from the number of cats owned and the number of sad songs / vegan shit posted on social networks.

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I am a white woman and don’t believe in birth control and wish to have 8+ children but I find that most men love birth control because they love to have hedonistic sex and see babies as financial anchors to be avoided at all costs. Even a family oriented man may wish to have 1 or 2 children then drug up his wife to avoid having any more. It is probably true that women subconsciously wish to use their bodies as intended and be pregnant frequently, maybe a big reason for divorces and cheating, if the woman has gone 4 or 5 years without a pregnancy her hindbrain thinks the man must be sterile and seeks out someone more virile. But then I am from Newfoundland and we only got birth control in the 1970s. The change has been so rapid. All of our grandparents had 8-12 children, our parents had 1-2, and now people in my generation want one or none at all, apathetic to the fact that if this continues our people and our culture will die.

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My grandmother had eight, my mother had four, I have two. Quite sobering.

Frankly, I think a lot of men LIE about being family oriented. They see it as something that they must do – and not out of any sense of duty to society and future generations, but because getting married and having babies is the price they pay to obtain something else that they want. Sex, status, familial approval, etc.

This was my ex-husband. Before we married, he told me he wanted at least four. As soon as we had two under two, if I ever got even the slightest bit stressed out, it was “Well, YOU were the one who wanted to have kids.” And it was all downhill from there, until he finally let it out that he hadn’t wanted marriage or children at all.

Modernity is not an easy world to navigate for a young woman who wants a husband and a family – especially if you happen to be a nobody from nowhere, born and raised in poverty with no particular sense of self-worth. And I daresay more are than aren’t. Frustrated men are often quick to claim that women have it easy, that women have the upper hand, that women never have to “settle” – but this is really only true of the affluent.

I wish I could have started when I was fifteen. I could have had a dozen. At least I got the two that I got, while I was still reasonably young. I probably don’t get to have any more. Aiming for quality over quantity at this point. And, God willing, more than a couple grandchildren. smile

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There are no longer any men like our great grandfathers. The men on sites such as these would not likely consider my great grandfather alpha, they’d likely consider him beta. He saved his virginity for marriage and my great grandmother was the only woman he ever slept with in his entire life. He used to say that bed hopping and fornicating for thrills is the pursuit of savages and not worthy of any proper Englishman. That preventing conception is from the devil, and this was back before birth control pills or condoms, when good people were even against any birth prevention whatsoever like pulling out (they called it “onanism”).

They had something beautiful. My great grandmother was an old woman, with rough homespun clothes, worn and blistered hands from working, and great grandfather used to tell her that she was as beautiful as any fine lady dressed in silk. He was only a dirty old sailor and my great grandmother used to tell him “You are my king, I would follow you to the ends of the earth.”

They had a dozen kids and my uncle told me that when he was growing up, they used to sneak away when they thought nobody noticed, into the closet to have sex 3 times a day. Great grandfather was a seal hunter and whaler, he was a cold blooded killer and would come in from the ships all covered in blood, but he was so warm hearted, always helping people, and he said what made him happier than anything in the world was coming home to childrens waiting arms. He was so tender, gentle, and kind with all of us. Him and great grandmother used to make everything with their own hands. Great grandfather made my bed, made my shoes, my toys, everything. He dropped dead in the middle of a party when he was 99 years old, my grandmother lived in constant grief then died a few months later. I dare say she loved him so much that she could not go on without him.

I don’t believe in God, how could I in a world such as this, or if there is a God he doesn’t care about us mortals so I care not to worship him. I don’t believe in God but the closest I have to religion is going out to the graveyard, arrange the flowers on my great grandparents graves, pray to them and speak to them. I wish great grandfather was still alive, to tell me what I should do with my life and give me guidance.

It’s better for a woman to die as a virgin than give her body to be used by some rogue. My very first boyfriend was the most popular boy in school, beautiful to look at, athletic, led the sports teams and led the other boys, a chad by all accounts, he broke up with me because I would not have sex with him. I told him he was a traitor, a cheat, and a weak man with nothing noble in his heart. For years we would encounter each other and he would try to be so nice to me and I would always say the same thing: I will never talk to you ever again.

For all the complaining men do about modern women they are the ones that push birth control and love birth control so that they can have cheap thrills. They sold the future of our people in exchange for a bit of momentary sex.

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@Laura you could maybe consider marriage to a man from a different culture. I married a Chinese man, although he was raised in the west he had slightly more conservative values than a British man and he is overall less NPC. If you want to marry white you could consider a man from a slavic country. They are still conservative although this ideology is dwindling fast all over Europe. Kazakhstan is also really conservative. I think maybe western women who want to raise kids independently from the state and are more right leaning should think about mail order husbands.

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It would be better to have no children than to have children that don’t share my blood and culture. It would feel like I’m selling myself to a foreigner. What does a slav or kazakh have in common with Newfoundland. Nothing. I would rather die than sleep with a foreign man.

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I gave a lot of thought to the idea of marrying a man from a different culture when I was young. I could never do it. I love my country and I love the good aspects of its culture, and I see it as my duty to do what I can to preserve and build upon those things, to revive and carry on the godly traditions of MY ancestors. The fact that Western culture is in decline has only made me more resolute in this matter.

Marrying a man from a different country/culture and giving up on my own would have been the easy way out. I don’t want an easy way out. I want to fight to stay right where I am. God gave me to THIS land. To THIS people. I will bloom where I am planted. And perhaps it’s hubris to think that I can make a difference, but I would rather teach my children to take a stand and fight against the odds than to abandon ship in search of an easier/more pleasant life.

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The west doesnt really have a culture or atleast not of it’s own.

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It’s sad roosh because you are the kind of man who should be raising children. We need more non npc parents. Maybe it’s time to return to the middle east and find a woman to marry there.

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My grandmother had eight, my mother had four, I have two. Quite sobering.

Maybe if you weren’t overdosing on swinger cock, and were concentrated on your family; and didn’t divorced you’d have more children.

if I ever got even the slightest bit stressed out, it was “Well, YOU were the one who wanted to have kids

Was he wrong? If a woman wants to have children more that the man, she should be the one that deals with the resulting increased stress and discomfort.

SHE

should be the one getting up to feed the baby.

SHE

should be the one changing the diapers. SHE should be providing the bulk of the childcare. etc.

Nothing burns my ass more than listening to my brothers wife bitch about how she wants to have a bunch of kids. When she’s too lazy to change the diapers of the baby she already has and tries to pawn it off on extended family. Or bitches about missing social engagements because neither she nor my brother wants to parent the child. Despite both being off from work!!!-

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Mike Hunter: welllll, if my first husband hadn’t LIED about WANTING a monogamous religious marriage for the specific purpose of “multiplying and replenishing the earth,” I wouldn’t have married him. Did you miss the part where HE SAID he wanted at least four? And I did do all of the getting up to feed, all of the diaper changes, ALL of the routine care. None of that was on him.

He pulled a massive bait-and-switch. I did my job and I took it very seriously. My biggest mistake aside from believing his lies and marrying him in the first place was in not divorcing him immediately when he finally showed his true colors.

Or maybe I should have stayed married to him and refused to give him what he was asking for. Maybe I should have taken it on myself to re-frame the entire marriage as a relationship where I nagged and manipulated him into behaving correctly? So that my kids could grow up with an angry, suspicious, domineering mother who treated their father like a child?

Sometimes we make stupid decisions unknowingly that we can’t go back from. Sometimes the only option is to learn as much as we can from those mistakes and teach our children to do better than we did.

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Babies ARE financial anchors! If you want to change men’s correct perceptions about this then advocate to get the government out the most intimate part of a man’s life: his family, reproductive, and sexual decision making. Stop letting government bureaucrats; doing the bidding of feminist lobbying groups, dictate how men run their life and their families using the threat of violence from armed government enforcers!!!

Men that aren’t willing to sacrifice their right to self determination, ability to support themselves, and their ability to avoid being imprisoned just to make your dreams come true are simply smart.

You want babies… and lot of them. That’s fine. What are you going to give men in order to convince them that it’s worthwhile for them to devote their entire life to providing for you in order to satisfy your reproductive desires? That’s a massive sacrifice for a man to make. Even without the threat of big daddy government locking him in a steel cage with Tyrone the rapist if things don’t work out. You must provide massive value in return for it to be worthwhile for a man to even entertain your proposition.

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I think election data offers proof. The women most likely to take full advantage of modern contraception have become the most reliable Democratic voters. In turn voting for ever more anti family laws. With the ultimate goal of having the government replace the family altogether.

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The real black pill for Religious Trad manosphere types like myself is that in order to get good at keeping a woman u have to fuck around a little bit.

But when u fuck around a little bit u realise how terrible the women are compared to just 2 or 3 generations ago. It makes u value them less and as such want to use them more like a slut than people.

Mgtow for people with no kids is essentially a mutiliation or a vasectomy. It kills your reproductive lineage and as such erases your future genes from existence. Not an option, its surrendering.

So even if u want to keep the whole nick fuentes style no sex before marriage thing, its just not possible.

I’m positively inclined towards interracial relationships with more trad communities but its also true that a lot of the kids that come from that have issues with identity.

Even roosh himself is really unsure if he’s american, or armenian or iranian

Ultimately the solution lies with God and learning the basic tools to make urself strong.

But i just see a lot of hardship coming for anyone thats a trad purist

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Interracial relationship destroys our blood and our people. I am sure I could find a relationship with a traditional nonwhite man from a nonwhite country but I don’t want to. It would be better to have no children than to have children that don’t share my blood and culture.

“in order to get good at keeping a woman u have to fuck around a little bit.”

I don’t believe this. Its just an excuse for men who want to sleep around for cheap thrills and rationalize it afterward.

“But i just see a lot of hardship coming for anyone thats a trad purist”

But there is no way to live nobly without facing hardship.

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In order to get good at keeping a woman, you must learn to find and identify GOOD women who desire to be kept. Screwing around does not teach you how to do that. What you’ve described is the process of allowing Satan to lead you around by your penis. The desire to degrade YOURSELF by consorting with low-quality women is not godly or constructive.

In fact, I would say the fact that men seem to retain a greater degree of their ability/inclination for attachment despite having a high partner count makes this all the more dangerous. You learn that women are awful because you choose to surround yourself with women who are loose and easy for the purpose of slaking your lust – but then you also grow to tolerate that with which you surround yourself. If your preparation for marriage and family involves screwing around with a bunch of women, you’re much more likely to end up with a woman who has no qualms about screwing around.

Especially if your screwing around acclimates you to only pursuing women who meet the visual standard of enhanced beauty and sexuality that is set by WHORES.

Productive love and unproductive lust are opposite directions. You can’t travel both ways at the same time. Real love, the kind of love that builds families and sets the foundation of stable communities, IS hardship. There is no easy way.

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If you care so much about continuing your genetic linage why don’t you just donate to a sperm bank. Just by doing that for a couple of months you’ll genetically out compete anyone in a trad relationship.

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When i hear that a bar fly bitch is on birth control, I rawdog that pussy and leave an alien in her guts. It’s how I’m wired.

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“Women lose far more bonding glue than men with each sexual encounter. I believe that most women will only retain enough adhesive to sleep with between one to five men in their lives before irreparably damaging their ability to love any man.”

Could you please quote any psychological/scientific studies supporting what you said on bonding glue, differences between guys and women, women becoming mentally sick after their 6th bang? Or is this just your intuition, which we may or not decide to trust?

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This was a good article, Roosh, although I’d say there is a bit of chicken-and-egg argument to be made here, and there’s valid science that agrees with and support your views, which give a little more logic than your reasoning as written. This is especially pertinent in talking about pair bonding and the value of virginity as a proof of paternity for children.

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According to Hadiths in Islam. The elite’s sole objective is depopulation. One goal is the removal of the family unit, another is contraception.

Another will come soon after reestablishing Solomon’s Temple in Israel prior to the arrival of the false Messiah. The first step is nuclear war with Russia, which has been prophesized by the Prophet (pbuh)

It’s expected that this war will reduce the population down to 500 Million people.

Every prophecy of the minor signs has come to fruition. We’re living in end times. The question is, what have you done to prepare for it?

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The false prophet has been around for 1400 years. It’s your Muhammad, a pedophile and mass murderer, may fire and brimstone rain upon him.
Allah is just another name for Satan.
If proof needed, just look at countries where your “brothers” live. Muslim countries are total shitholes, so most of the population want to leave, and places invaded by yours like Western Europe are turning into hell.
Even the US are being invaded, and the islamic lobbies like CAIR are dispropotionately powerful, like jewish lobbies.

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Muslim countries being shitholes doesn’t mean their religion is not the truth. That’s as much proof as most Christians not following the religion(doesn’t make the religion not the truth if it is) Most of the negative parts about the Muslim world now came after the Ottoman Empire broke up.

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Muslim countries became shitholes from the start. No innovations, improvements banned, men and women not allowed to interact freely, added to polygamy, creating alot of homos, heavy inbreeding, “racial” and religious segregation, slavery, you name it.

The ottoman empire just maintained itself through wars, the elite was made of imported janissaries, if they had relations with local women, their offsprings would not belong to the ruling class.
See the kouloughlis of north africa.
It worked in the past, now with globalization, peoples from muslim countries, especially women, witness others doing pretty much what they want. It’s amazing to read muslim sluts are traditional, Morocco is an open air brothel.

All their governments are deeply corrupt and innefectual, all attempts of modernization failed, because the muslim crowd is basically stupid (85 IQ at best) and incapable of doing anything properly.
So they go back to the classics, cutting infidels heads, living lives of criminality and parasitism. The wealth of muslim countries come from foreigners (oil, wellfare from other countries sent home) and women.
They work more than men, including prostitution.

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A lot of what you said has validity. The large majority of their governments today are deeply corrupt/ineffectual; and a huge portion of their wealth is from oil and others welfare.

I honestly personally have no knowledge of “creating a lot of homos.” Ima look into that. Ive studied about the Middle East but don’t recall that.(Especially with how anti-Lgtbq Islamic scripture and society is).
Just off a quick search, I saw some articles but it didn’t look legit imo.

One thing to understand with Islam, they don’t value material wealth the same way, their way of life is what they value the most(religion/family matters). Although it isn’t perfect, the strength of patriarchy, low divorce, and stronger marriages/family are fairly evident, even though that it changing now as many of them are starting to Westernize somewhat since the last century.

And that being said “No innovations, and improvements banned.” Thats just as accurate as saying that Islam had the greatest golden age of innovation or something along those lines. A lot of their positive history just hasn’t seen the light in terms of innovation, and again it was never spectacular…but you make it sound as if they are complete savages that couldn’t even make any sustainable empires/society. And I’m not gonna advocate polygamy but what the world has turned into now is an extreme version of it: a free for all, with men at the top getting most of the women.

And yes your right…globalization made muslim countries way of life hard to maintain. I’m not gonna say all 1.6 billion muslims are remotely perfect and the women aren’t thots….because the new generation of muslims are getting to be no different. So of course every “muslim” girl isn’t some perfect traditional virgin; or even a large majority.

But at the end of the day, once all this shit hits the fan. These “shithole” Muslim countries will be the last place the nuclear family survives.

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I Know that many people won’t believe this, yes they want to stop reproductive Rights. It goes way back to the Bible. Kill the first born. Now abortion, stop man and woman relationships, stop normal family and men haters.
It’s all the same spirit and it’s not New.

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Regardless of the reality of an actual conspiracy to reduce birth rates by all these means, there is a VERY REAL and NECESSARY, need to reduce birth rates across the entire globe.

You can point fingers at elitists, facists, marxists, whaterists all day long, but its not even relevant to the ugly truth:

Humanity and our planet are suffering from gross overpopulation and ridiculous beliefs about reproduction. We actually believe its our god-given right to own-control-inhabit-exploit every square inch of land and sea on Earth and birth as many children as we possibly can. Religions are largely responsible for these idiotic notions.

The ugly truth no politician or philosopher wants to discuss publicly: Humanity is a virus, so far out of control, that we are killing our host planet and polluting our own genetics.

We have long since abandoned any semblance of natural selection, and now our gene pool is rife with all the garbage DNA and defunct incompetence that natural selection would have cleaned out from our species.

So, whether by elitist conspiracy design or by failure of various organizations and social structures (corrupt nations in decline), we (as a species) need some concerted effort and program to drastically reduce birth rates. We need to cleanse the genomes of every race of the accumulated detritus of centuries without natural selection.

Maybe we need a few conspiracies from megabillionaire elists to perform the ugly task the religious ignorant normal people of the world consider abhorrent and unthinkable: reduce birth rates and enforce an intelligent process of childbirth decision-making.

What if we (as a species) were forced to prove we deserve the right to procreate? Now there’s an agenda that needs a megabillionaire conspiracy pushing it into common practice.

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We have a very efficient way to limit birthrates, it’s called war.

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Sure. War does an alright job. But it costs too much, and it destroys too much. The job could be done much cheaper, more efficiently, and with smiles and happiness all around, by simply instating a rational, intelligent system. But there’s little rationale behind beliefs on reproduction, and there’s no intelligence to the current birth rate management policies anywhere on the planet. Because no one wants to talk about this stuff. Its a very ugly truth. But we can’t keep shoving our heads in the sand and hoping the problem goes away. It gets worse every generation.

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Westerners fail to even replace themselves already. You need to convince Muslims.

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I don’t think declining reproduction is a bad thing… the natural resource and wild animal population is getting critically low (on the aggregate)… so less people is actually a good thing for the survival of our species.

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Population should be declining due to the sick and weak dying off from war and disease. The best solution to overpopulation isn’t strictly for fewer people to be born, but also for more people to die.

On one hand we have contraception and abortion, on the other hand we have vaccination and medical intervention. All of these things circumvent the strengthening of the population through natural selection and culling. Don’t have to be healthy or strong to survive and reproduce, don’t have to be sick or weak to die before being born.

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When a conservative group recommended not sending Condoms to Africa to stem the tide of Aids, there was an uproar. But introducing contraceptives leads to more people having sex, increased STD’s and an increase in abortions. Counterintuitive.

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RE: Twitter used yoga pants exchange.

“Worship my augmented tits and the sweat off of my ass, plebs!”

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Truth hurt, reading the comment and seeing how people are lashing out their wrath on such plain truth isn’t surprising. Truth isn’t meant for everyone cos some people don’t even know themselves how much more identity quality realistic view that’s been shared.

This is the best article I have read in my entire life. Finally found someone that view things from my perspective.

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Contraception caused overpopulation as it removed from women all responsibility by turning her into a transsexual, a false male with a false libido.

Contraception favored prostitutes the most, so it empowered the state twice, through prostitution andthrough overpopulation, that is collectivism.

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@roosh Are you a fucking retard?

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It seems that someone must have dropped you on your head when you were a baby.

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It’s important to understand that we are all born with a set amount of bonding glue.

That’s a pretty bold assertion. Care to provide any proof? Before someone brings up that women with higher notch counts are more likely to get divorce; correlation does not equal causation. I think it’s likely that women with higher notch counts are: less conscientious, more disagreeable, and less religious.

It’s not that casual sex causes a woman to become a bad candidate for marriage. Their personality does that. The fact that they have lots of casual sex with men is just a symptom that they were never a suitable candidate for marriage. Which was true before they ever had sex with their first partner.

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I’m not so sure contraception/abortion/euthanasia is as much about depopulation as it is a reaction to fear. Artificial contraception is the logical outcome of a generation of women who have lost trust in men to take care of the children they fathered, and, by extension, the women they impregnated. Sure, current elites are using AC as a way to control (mostly aimed and making us consume/spend more) but, the origin of the technology came from a shift in the level of trust women had for their sexual partners.

This is the same distrust that drove women to rally for voting rights. Men have used this fear for their own benefit, especially when you consider that men now have increased access to sex without consequences as well as their utilization of female politicians, like HRC or Elizabeth Warren, who further pro-exploitative policies.