Cultural Collapse Theory

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It was Joe’s first date with Mary. He asked her what she wanted in life and she replied, “I want to establish my career. That’s the most important thing to me right now.” Undeterred that she had no need for a man in her life, Joe entertained her with enough funny stories and cocky statements that she soon allowed him to lightly pet her forearm.

At the end of the date, he locked arms with her on the walk to the subway station, when two Middle Eastern men on scooter patrol accosted them and said they were forbidden to touch. “This is Sharia zone,” they said in heavily accented English, in front of a Halal butcher shop. Joe and Mary felt bad that they offended the two men, because they were trained in school to respect all religions but that of their ancestors. One of the first things they learned was that their white skin gave them extra privilege in life which must be consciously restrained at all times. Even if they happened to disagree with the two men, they could not verbally object because of anti-hate laws that would put them in jail for religious discrimination. They unlocked arms and maintained a distance of three feet from each other.

Unfortunately for Joe, Mary did not want to go out with him again, but seven years later he did receive a message from her on Facebook saying hello. She became vice president of a company, but could not find a man equal to her station since women now made 25% more than men on average. Joe had long left the country and moved to Thailand, where he married a young Thai girl and had three children. He had no plans on returning to his country, America.

If cultural collapse occurs in the way I will now describe, the above scenario will be the rule within a few decades. The Western world is being colonized in reverse, not by weapons or hard power, but through a combination of progressivism and low reproductive rates. These two factors will lead to a complete cultural collapse of many Western nations within the next 200 years. This theory will show the most likely mechanism that it will proceed in America, Canada, UK, Scandinavia, and Western Europe.

What Is A Cultural Collapse?

Cultural collapse is the decline, decay, or disappearance of a native population’s rituals, habits, interpersonal communication, relationships, art, and language. It coincides with a relative decline of population compared to outside groups. National identity and group identification will be lost while revisionist history will be applied to demonize or find fault with the native population. Cultural collapse is not to be confused with economic or state collapse. A nation that suffers from a cultural collapse can still be economically productive and have a working government.

First I will share a brief summary of the cultural collapse progression before explaining them in more detail. Then I will discuss where I see many countries along its path.

The Cultural Collapse Progression

1. Removal of religious narrative from people’s lives, replaced by a treadmill of scientific and technological “progress.”

2. Elimination of traditional sex roles through feminism, gender equality, political correctness, cultural Marxism, and socialism.

3. Delay or abstainment of family formation by women to pursue careerist lifestyles while men wait in confused limbo.

4. Decreasing birth rate among native population.

5. Government enactment of open immigration policies to prevent economic collapse.

6. Immigrant refusal to fully acclimate, forcing host culture to adopt external rituals and beliefs while being out-reproduced.

7. Natives becoming marginalized in their own country.

1. Removal of religious narrative

Religion has been a powerful restraint for millennia in preventing humans from pursuing their base desires and narcissistic tendencies so that they satisfy a god. Family formation is the central unit of most religions, possibly because children increase membership at zero marginal cost to the church (i.e. they don’t need to be recruited).

Religion may promote scientific ignorance, but it facilitates reproduction by giving people a narrative that places family near the center of their existence.[1] [2] [3] After the Enlightenment, the rapid advance of science and its logical but nihilistic explanations into the universe have removed the religious narrative and replaced it with an empty narrative of scientific progress, knowledge, and technology, which act as a restraint and hindrance to family formation, allowing people to pursue individual goals of wealth accumulation or hedonistic pleasure seeking.[4] As of now, there has not been a single non-religious population that has been able to reproduce above the death rate.[5]

Even though many people today claim to believe in god, they may not step inside a church but once or twice a year for special holidays. Religion went from being a lifestyle, a manual for living, to something that is thought about in passing.

2. Elimination of traditional sex roles

Once religion no longer plays a role in people’s lives, the stage is set to fracture male-female bonding. It is collectively attacked by several ideologies stemming from the beliefs of Cultural Marxist theory, which serve to accomplish one common end: destruction of the family unit so that citizens are dependent on the state. They achieve this goal through the marginalization of men and their role in society under the banner of “equality.”[6] With feminism pushed to the forefront of this umbrella movement, the drive for equality ends up being a power grab by women.[7] This attack is performed on a range of fronts:

  • medicating boys from a young age with ADHD drugs to eradicate displays of masculinity[8]
  • shaming of men for having direct sexual interest in attractive and fertile women
  • criminalization of normal male behavior by redefining some instances of consensual sex as rape[9]
  • imprisonment of unemployed fathers for non-payment of child support, rendering them destitute and unable to be a part of their children’s lives[10]
  • taxation of men at higher rates for redistribution to women[11] [12]
  • promotion of single mother and homosexual lifestyles over that of the nuclear family[13] [14]

The end result is that men, confused about their identify and averse to state punishment from sexual harassment, “date rape,” and divorce proceedings, make a rational decision to wait on the sidelines.[15] Women, still not happy with the increased power given to them, continue their assault on men by instructing them to “man up” into what has become an unfair deal—marriage. The elevation of women above men is allowed by corporations, which adopt “girl power” marketing to expand their consumer base and increase profits.[16] [17] Governments also allow it because it increases their tax revenue. Because there is money to be made with women working and becoming consumers, there is no effort by the elite to halt this development.

3. Women begin to place career above family

At the same time men are emasculated as mere “sperm donors,” women are encouraged to adopt the career goals, mannerisms, and competitive lifestyles of men, inevitably causing them to delay marriage, often into an age where they can no longer find suitable husbands who have more resources than themselves. [18] [19] [20] [21] The average woman will find it exceedingly difficult to balance career and family, and since she has no concern of getting “fired” from her family, who she may see as a hindrance to her career goals, she will devote an increasing proportion of time into her job.

Female income, in aggregate, will soon match or exceed that of men.[22] [23] [24] A key reason that women historically got married was to be economically provided for, but this reason will no longer persist and women will feel less pressure or motivation to marry. The burgeoning spinster population will simply be a money-making opportunity for corporations to market to an increasing population of lonely women. Cat and small dog sales will rise.

Women succumb to their primal sexual and materialistic urges to live the “Sex and the City” lifestyle full of fine dining, casual sex, technological bliss, and general gluttony without learning traditional household skills or feminine qualities that would make them attractive wives.[25] [26] Men adapt to careerist women in a rational way by doing the following:

  • to sate their natural sexual desires, men allow their income to lower since economic stability no longer provides a draw to women in their prime[27]
  • they mimic “alpha male” social behavior to get laid with women who, without having an urgent need for a man’s monetary resources to survive, can choose men based on confidence, aesthetics, and general entertainment value[28]
  • they withdraw into a world of video games and the internet, satisfying their own base desires for play and simulated hunting[29] [30]

Careerist women who decide to marry will do so in a hurried rush around 30 because they fear growing old alone, but since they are well past their fertility peak[31], they may find it difficult to reproduce. In the event of successful reproduction at such a later age, fewer children can be born before biological infertility, limiting family size compared to the historical past.

4. Birth rates decrease among native population

The stage is now set for the death rate to outstrip the birth rate. This creates a demographic cliff where there is a growing population of non-working elderly relative to able-bodied younger workers. Two problems result:

  • Not enough tax revenue is supplied by the working population in order to provide for the elderly’s medical and social retirement needs.[32] Borrowing can only temporarily maintain these entitlements.
  • Decrease of economic activity since more people are dying than buying.[33]

No modern nation has figured out how to substantially raise birth rates among native populations. The most successful effort has been done in France, but that has still kept the birth rate among French-born women just under the replacement rate (2.08 vs 2.1).[34] The easiest and fastest way to solve this double-edged problem is to promote mass immigration of non-elderly individuals who will work, spend, and procreate at rates greater than natives.[35]

A replenishing supply of births are necessary to create taxpayers, workers, entrepreneurs, and consumers in order to maintain the nation’s economic development.[36] While many claim that the planet is suffering from “overpopulation,” an economic collapse is inevitable for those countries who do not increase their population at steady rates.

5. Large influx of immigration

An aging population without youthful refilling will cause a scarcity of labor, increasing that labor’s price. Corporate elites will now lobby governments for immigration reform to relieve this upward pressure on wages.[37] [38] At the same time, the modern mantra of sustained GDP growth puts pressure on politicians for dissemination of favorable economic growth data to aid in their re-elections. The simplest way to increase GDP without innovation or development of industry is to expand the population. Both corporate and political elites now have their goals in alignment where the easiest solution becomes immigration.[39] [40]

While politicians hem and haw about designing permanent immigration policies, immigrants continue to settle within the nation.[41] The national birth rate problem is essentially solved overnight, as it’s much easier to drain third-world nations of its starry-eyed population with enticements of living in the first-world than it is to encourage the native women to reproduce. (Lateral immigration from one first-world nation to another is so relatively insignificant that the niche term ‘expatriation’ has been developed to describe it). Native women will show a stubborn resistance at any suggestion they should create families, much preferring a relatively responsibility-free lifestyle of sexual variety, casual internet dating via mobile apps, consumer excess, and comfortable high-paying jobs in air conditioned offices.[42] [43]

Immigrants will almost always come from societies that are more religious and, in the case of Islam with regard to European immigration, far more scientifically primitive and rigid in its customs.[44]

6. Sanitization of host culture coincides with increase in immigrant power

While many adult immigrants will feel gracious at the opportunity to live in a more prosperous nation, others will soon feel resentment that they are forced to work menial jobs in a country that is far more expensive than their own.[45] [46] [47] [48] [49] The majority of them remain in lower economic classes, living in poor “immigrant communities” where they can speak their own language, find their own homeland foods, and follow their own customs or religion.

Instead of breaking out of their foreigner communities, immigrants seek to expand it by organizing. They form local groups and civic organizations to teach natives better ways to understand and serve immigrant populations. They will be eager to publicize cases where immigrants have been insulted by insensitive natives or treated unfairly by police authorities in the case of petty crime.[50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] School curriculums may be changed to promote diversity or multiculturalism, at great expense to the native culture.[56] Concessions will be made not to offend immigrants.[57] A continual stream of outrages will be found and this will feed the power of the organizations and create a state within a state where native elites become fearful of applying laws to immigrants.[58]

7. Destruction of native culture

This step has not yet happened in any first-world nation, so I will predict it based on logically extending known events I have already described.

Local elites will give lip service to immigrant groups for votes but will be slow to give them real state or economic power. Citizenship rules may even be tightened to prevent immigrants from being elected. The elites will be mostly insulated from the cultural crises in their isolated communities, private schools, and social clubs, where they can continue to incubate their own sub-culture without outside influence. At the same time, they will make speeches and enact polices to force native citizens to accept multiculturalism and blind immigration. Anti-hate and anti-discrimination laws will be more vigorously enforced than other more serious crimes. Police will monitor social networking to identify those who make statements against protected classes.

Cultural decline begins in earnest when the natives feel shame or guilt for who they are, their history, their way of life, and where their ancestors came from. They will let immigrant groups criticize their customs without protest, or they simply embrace immigrant customs instead with religious conversion and interethnic marriages. Nationalistic pride will be condemned as a “far-right” phenomenon and popular nationalistic politicians will be compared to Hitler. Natives learn the art of self-censorship, limiting the range of their speech and expressions, and soon only the elderly can speak the truths of the cultural decline while a younger multiculturalist within earshot attributes such frankness to senility or racist nostalgia.

With the already entrenched environment of political correctness (see stage 2), the local culture becomes a sort of “world” culture that can be declared tolerant and progressive as long as there is a lack of criticism against immigrants, multiculturalism, and their combined influence. All cultural identity will eventually be lost, and to be “American” or “British,” for example, will no longer have modern meaning from a sociological perspective. Native traditions will be eradicated and a cultural mixing will take place where citizens from one world nation will be nearly identical in behavior, thought, and consumer tastes to citizens of another. Once a collapse occurs, it cannot be reversed. The nation’s cultural heritage will be forever lost.

I want to now take a brief look at six different countries and see where they are along the cultural collapse progression…


This is an interesting case because, up to recently, we saw very low birth rates not due to progressive ideals but from a rough transition to capitalism in the 1990’s and a high male mortality from alcoholism.[59] [60] To help sustain its population, Russia is readily accepting immigrants from Central Asian regions, treating them like second-class citizens and refusing to make any accommodations away from the ethnic Russian way of life. Even police authorities turn a blind eye when local skinhead groups attack immigrants.[61] In addition, Russia has also shown no tolerance to homosexual or progressive groups,[62] stunting their negative effects upon the culture. The birth rate has risen in recent years to levels seen in Western Europe but it’s still not above the death rate. Russia will see a population collapse before a cultural one.

Likelihood of 50-year cultural collapse: Very low


We’re seeing rapid movement through stages 2 and 3, where progressive ideology based on the American model is becoming adopted and a large poor population ensure progressive politicians will continue to remain in power with promises of economic redistribution.[63] [64] [65] Within 15 years we should see a sharp drop in birth rates and a relaxation of immigration laws.

Likelihood of 50-year cultural collapse: Moderate


Some could argue that America is currently experiencing a cultural collapse. It always had a fragile culture because of its immigrant foundings, but immigrants of the past (including my own parents) rapidly acclimated into the host culture to create a sense of national pride around an ethic of hard work and shared democratic values. This is being eroded as a fem-centric culture rises in its place, with its focus on trends, celebrities, homosexuality, multiculturalism, and male-bashing. Natives have become pleasure seekers with little inclination to reproduction during their years of peak fertility.[66]

Likelihood of 50-year cultural collapse: Very high


While America always had high amounts of immigration, and therefore a system of integration, England is newer to the game. In the past 20 years, they have massively ramped up their immigration efforts.[67] A visit to London will confirm that the native British are slowly becoming minorities, with their iconic red telephone booths left undisturbed purely for tourist photo opportunities. Approximately 5% of the English population is now Muslim.[68] Instead of acclimatizing, they are achieving early success in creating zones with Sharia law.[69] The English elite, in response, is jailing natives under stringent anti-race laws.[70] England had a highly successful immigration story with Polish immigrants who eagerly acclimated to English culture, but have opened the doors to other peoples who don’t want to integrate.[71]

Likelihood of 50-year cultural collapse: Very high


Sweden is experiencing a similar immigration situation to England, but they possess a higher amount of self-shame and white guilt. Instead of allowing immigrants who could work in the Swedish economy, they are encouraging migration of asylum seekers who have been made destitute by war. These immigrants enter Sweden and immediately receive social benefits. In effect, Sweden is welcoming the least economically productive people in the world.[72] The immigrants will produce little or no economic benefit, and may even worsen Sweden’s economy. Immigrants are turning some parts of Sweden, such as the Rosengard area of Malmo, into a ghetto.[73]

Likelihood of 50-year cultural collapse: Very high


From my one and half years of living in Poland, I have seen a moderate level of progressive ideological creep, careerism among women, hedonism, and idolation of Western values, particularly out of England, where a large percentage of the Polish population have emigrated for work. Younger Poles may not act much different from their Western counterparts in their party lifestyle behavior, but there nonetheless remains a tenuous maintenance of traditional sex roles. Women of fertile age are pursuing relationships over one-night stands, but careerism is causing them to stall family formation. This puts a downward pressure on birth rates, which stems from significant numbers of fertile young women emigrating to countries like the UK and USA, along with continued economic uncertainties faced from transitioning to capitalism[74]. As Europe’s “least multicultural” nation, Poland has long been hesitant to accept immigrants, but this has recently changed and they are encouraging migrants.[75]  To its credit, it is seeking first-world entrepreneurs instead of low skilled laborers or asylum seekers. Its cultural fate will be an interesting development in the years to come, but the prognosis will be more negative as long as its young people are eager to leave the homeland.

Likelihood of 50-year cultural collapse: Possible

Poland and Russia show the limitations of Cultural Collapse Theory in that it best applies to first-world nations with highly developed economies. They have low birth rates but not through the mechanism I described, though if they adopt a more Western ideological track like Brazil, I expect to see the same outcome that is befalling England or Sweden.

There can be many paths to cultural destruction, and those nations with the most similarities will gravitate towards the same path, just like how Eastern European nations are suffering low birth rates because of mass emigration due to being introduced into the European Union.

How To Stop Cultural Collapse

Maintaining native birth rates while preventing the elite from allowing immigrant labor is the most effective means at preventing cultural collapse. Since multiculturalism is an experiment with no proven efficacy, a culture can only be maintained by a relatively homogenous group who identify with each other. When that homogeneity breaks down and one citizen looks to the next and does not see a person with the same values as himself, the culture falls in dis-repair as native citizens begin to lose a shared means of communication and identity. Once the percentage of the immigrant population crosses a certain threshold (perhaps 15%), the decline will pick up in pace and cultural breakdown will be readily apparent to all observers.

Current policies to solve low birth rates through immigration is a short-term fix with dire long-term consequences. In effect, it’s a Trojan-horse prescription of irreversible cultural destruction. A state must prevent itself from entering the position where mass immigration is considered a solution by blocking progressive ideologies from taking hold. One way this can be done is through the promotion of a state-sponsored religion which encourages the nuclear family instead of single motherhood and homosexuality. However, introducing religion as a mainstay of citizen life in the post-enlightenment era may be impossible.

We must consider that the scientific era is an evolutionary maladaptive feature of humanity that natural selection will accordingly punish (i.e. those who are anti-religious and pro-science will simply breed less). It must also be considered that with religion in permanent decline, cultural collapse may be a certainty that eventually occurs in all developed nations. Religion, it may turn out, was evolutionary beneficial to the human race.

Another possible solution is to foster a patriarchal society where men serve as strong providers. If you encourage the development of successful men who possess indispensable skills and therefore resources that are lacked by females, there will be women below their station who want to marry and procreate with them, but if strong women are produced instead, marriage and procreation is unlikely to take place at levels above the death rate.

A gap between the sexes should always exist in the favor of men if procreation is to occur at high rates, or else you’ll have something similar to the situation in America where urban professional women cannot find “good men” to begin a family with (i.e., men who are significantly more financially successful than them). They instead remain single and barren, only used occasionally by cads for exciting casual sex.

One issue that I purposefully ignored is the effect of technology and consumerism on lowering birth rates. How much influence does video games, internet, and smartphones contribute to a birth decline? How much of an effect does Western-style consumerism have in delaying marriage? I suspect they have more of an amplification effect than being an outright cause. If a country is proceeding through the cultural collapse model, technology will simply hurry the collapse, but giving internet access to a traditionally religious group of people may not cause them to flip overnight. Research will have to be done in these areas to say for sure.


The first iteration of any theory is sure to create as many questions as answers, but I hope that by proposing this model, it becomes more clear why some cultures seem so quick to degrade while others display a sort of immunity. Some countries may be too far down the wrong path to be saved, but I hope the information presented gives concerned readers ideas on protecting their own culture by allowing them to connect how progressive ideologies that may seem innocent or benign on the surface can eventually lead to an outright collapse of their nation’s culture.


  1. Joe April 28, 2014 at 9:58 am

    So Roosh
    What’s the answer for younger men (below 35) in America?

    1. Людмил Иванов April 28, 2014 at 11:08 am

      If you’re white you can kill yourself, I guess… some professor recommended you do so.

      1. G Marvelous Hos Bounce My Tree April 28, 2014 at 3:17 pm

        Clown talk from you.

        People need to run up out of this bitch before she sinks. Common sense player- race wars and martial law- the Americon way.

      2. Людмил Иванов April 28, 2014 at 4:13 pm

        The way things are going in my corner of the world, we are going to collapse into chaos sooner than the US. I have already accepted the fact the future is going to be violent, running away – fine, but where to?

      3. Grand Designs April 29, 2014 at 10:24 am

        The premise of multiculturalism is that people are tribal beings, who are defined—and who define themselves—by the racial, sexual, and ethnic groups they belong to. Multiculturalists believe that any disparity among groups is the product of unjust discrimination and oppression. This egalitarian assumption has been developed into an elaborate theory of victimology in which people actually debate such questions as whether a gay Afro-American male is more or less oppressed than a handicapped Latino woman. (And in the a group of Harpies, the gay male is celebrated not for the quality of his opinions, but for his sexual orientation. This is the pervasive creep of Victimology. It creates a vacuum; and nature abhors a vacuum)

        This is the dominate philosophical theme (add in Feminism) promoted by left wing academia along with Progressivsm, (inequality…see the new darling econ Prof), POMO’s, ect.

        These jackass professors (professional academics) are nothing more than nihilists. Anit-reason to the core. Nice that the current Job market doesn’t support worthless degrees and the Ivies and a ton of higher education institutions are getting there ass kicked by dropping enrollments and starting to see the writing on the wall. (And this is the unintended consequences of Govt policy fucking things up too, just like all of the asset bubbles and the economic crash, probably throw in the banksters and crony capitalists).

        You can see the collapse (CZ, is a little more Xenophobic) in Western economies in the Eurozone. Immigrants are pilling in b/c of generous entitlements. It’s taking their economies down. In the US 49 million do not pay into the system and are on the dole.It’s taking the system down.

        Culture is a reflection of a philosophy. If the dominate philosophy is a philosophy of feces, so the culture goes. It’s not hard to spot it everyday.

        Just like during the dawn of the Enlightenment, there’s going to have to be a dominate shift in idea(s). The Enlightenment ushered in reason in all sphere’s of arts and sciences, promoted Romanticism, or the projection of the ideal (as opposed to any art collection in modern contemporary art museum…trash can anybody?).

        I don’t think any profound changes are going to happen via intellectualism. It’s already too polarized. It will start with the Sovereign Man; a risk taker, a rebel and an attitude that your happiness is an end in yourself. Psychological freedom is not compatible with the current philosophy of Victomology Also, under the current dominate culture, obtaining psychology freedom is akin to a Salmon swimming upstream. It’s damn hard.

      4. Людмил Иванов April 28, 2014 at 4:20 pm

        Another thing, the manosphere is sort of a relief for me, I have been noticing negative developments in everything from the dating scene to abortions now outnumbering births (in Bulgaria), the divorce rate quadrupling in 25 years, hyperinflation twice in 1997 (which erased my college fund among other things) and steady annual inflation of 8-12% as well as scarce job opportunities. Whenever I bring that up I am either shouted down or ignored, most people are focused on simple pleasures – fucking the neighborhood slut, paying tons of money to see a madonna concert, fucking their brains with cheap booze, etc. so to me the manosphere is one of the few places where I can compare notes with other guys.

      5. cheers April 28, 2014 at 4:35 pm

        Cheers m8.

      6. John Cool October 8, 2014 at 7:55 am

        I assume you are white/Russian too. You should be looking toward answers instead of crying.

      7. EvigtRegn October 10, 2014 at 9:30 am

        He’s bulgarian it seems.

    2. sing31 April 28, 2014 at 1:09 pm

      Looking after yourself, the ones closest to you and trying your best to be a true friend to your own people. Which isn’t easy with so many of our own turning into parasitic low lifes but there are still many decent people left. I wish you luck.

      1. ConanTHB April 14, 2017 at 8:57 am

        I completely identify with what you’ve said.

        Cheers & blessings !

    3. Roosh_V April 28, 2014 at 4:42 pm

      Leave to a more traditional country.

      1. Nick April 29, 2014 at 3:41 am

        Or at least try to find more traditional regions in the U.S. but this may be more rural/small-town than most men wish to accept.

      2. John Cool October 8, 2014 at 7:57 am

        Roosh is there any traditional country left for whites? I almost wish we could grab onto one and stop immigration. I know Switzerland blocking new immigrants, but it looks like it goes for whites too.

      3. Cody McKibben July 12, 2016 at 8:38 pm

        I have a fair amount of rather affluent friends moving to New Zealand. I’m not certain of all the variables in play there, but they do seem a little more generous towards men too. Too cold for me though.

      4. EvigtRegn October 10, 2014 at 9:31 am


        Another interesting country to consider is Switzerland.
        More conservative than perhaps any in western Europe (e.g. gives lower tax burden if mother doesn’t work outside of home, still upholds objectivity and strong schooling as virtues etc), but they still have high immigration and low birth rates. Perhaps the cultural collapse is just as imminent there despite their inherent conservatism?

      5. EvigtRegn October 10, 2014 at 9:32 am

        Just what traditional countries are there left that are not bound to go down the same road? According to your analysis, Russia? Others?

    4. John Cool October 8, 2014 at 7:56 am

      My suggestion would be to spread white nationalism and increase white births. Just as atheism got more popular when books came out and atheists got talk time on shows.

    5. HBD June 15, 2015 at 6:42 pm

      Learn about population genetics. Flush all this bolshie talk about “culture.”

  2. Mark Yuray April 28, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Good article Roosh.

  3. riiiiight April 28, 2014 at 10:06 am

    If a man can’t get laid, he blames society? I’ve expected more from this whole pick-up thing. Now it’s full of bullshit none of which will help any man get more tail. Seriously, the more you read this the more you automatically buy into this kind of theories. And the more beautiful young girls will slip thourgh your fingers. The rich get richer and the loser stays a loser.

    Good luck with that.

    1. sing31 April 28, 2014 at 1:11 pm

      Ah to be a close minded egoistic hedonist. Must be nice.

    2. 1337 April 28, 2014 at 4:16 pm

      Oh please Adonis, share your sacred wisdom with us proles.

    3. Charles McDonald November 12, 2015 at 1:57 pm

      There is more to this website than picking up tail.

  4. David Hurt April 28, 2014 at 10:15 am

    Roosh… Great post and a great summary or addition to Mark Steyn’s recent books. Do u see this happening with Russia also? Along with much of western Europe the demographic trend seems to be the result of the change in mind set among the culture. Relativisim from Marx to Derrida have undermined core values and feminism has signed the death warrant.

    Did ubthink about this when in Ukraine?

    1. Marcello Battista Alberti April 28, 2014 at 10:38 am

      most of “cultural marxists” get jailed in Stalin era:

      (…)Stalin, who was horrified at the
      undisciplined, “cosmopolitan” operation set up by his predecessors, cut
      the Institute off in the late 1920’s, forcing Lukacs into
      “self-criticism,” and briefly jailing him as a German sympathizer during
      World War II.(…)

  5. M April 28, 2014 at 10:19 am

    This is one of your best articles so far. Glad to see you spending more time discussing cultural and social issues, instead of just focusing on game. Keep going, Roosh!

    1. turkishcandy April 28, 2014 at 10:43 am

      Agree. There is only so much you can discuss about game. After a while, it’s less about sharing wisdom and more about announcing your latest success to stroke your ego. I’m glad you’re writing about things that matter.

      1. Acehole April 28, 2014 at 1:03 pm

        I agree as well. I would like to see the manosphere mature into a space where we can talk about important issues like this; issues that will surely effect us even more than our relations with women. We’ve beaten the whole “game” thing to death. Now we need to start focusing on more important things that grown men must be aware of.

  6. Julian April 28, 2014 at 10:29 am

    You’re overestimating the immigrants resistance to the host culture. Within a generation most of them will be socialized into TV & celebrity culture, facebook, smartphones, porn, drugs and alcohol and so on, only a few outliers will remain hardline outsiders. As a ratio I would guess their number will be similar to the few native outliers who are fanatic christian converts. Meanwhile the mainstream islamic organizations become more and more secularized and soft just like christian churches have become. The dominant cultural force is consumer capitalism, islam doesn’t stand a chance against it in the long run.

    1. Monroe Ficus April 28, 2014 at 10:37 am

      That’s our only hope. That a decadent Miley Cyrus skrilled haircut gangsta rap and burberry hat society of trash replaces tradition, a day where all people come together in degeneracy.

      Lest we forget indeed.

    2. Tom April 28, 2014 at 10:47 am

      Yes, that’s what the elites thought (I suspect); and they could not have been more wrong. Look at what happened to France, UK and Belgium. This is not a theoretical question, the cake is already baked and “consumer capitalism” has already lost the culture war in most of western europe.

      1. Julian April 29, 2014 at 7:01 am

        “”consumer capitalism” has already lost the culture war in most of western europe” – that’s ridiculous, has no contact with reality.

    3. FreshMan April 28, 2014 at 11:16 am

      Nope. In France, second or third generation immigrants are actually more religious than their fathers, precisely because they reject consumer capitalism.

    4. hrm April 28, 2014 at 4:40 pm

      Let me take you on a tour of Hayward, Union City, and San Jose and we’ll see how well integration is working.

    5. Roosh_V April 28, 2014 at 11:25 pm

      Carry out your thought. Once the immigrant children fall prey to the culture and reproduce less than their own parents, new immigrant replenishment is needed. It’s an immigrant carousel so to speak, with the first world using the third world as their own womb to avoid economic collapse.

      But what happens when the third world reproduce less, which is something we are beginning to see…

      If this trend holds, it may be the trigger that causes us to swing back to tradition. The elites will have no choice but to get natives to reproduce if they can no longer import 3rd worlders.

      1. Julian April 29, 2014 at 7:10 am

        My first thought to that is whether increasing population is always conducive to economic growth. I would guess that with the changing job-market & new technology, unemployment is going to keep rising, and population increase won’t bring the benefits it used to, it will no longer be desirable.

        More generally though, I would be more interested in reading what kind of tradition you envision. My impression is that most of the manosphere imagines tradition to be more like 1950s America but that was already a highly anti-traditional culture that already contained the seeds of its own destruction.

      2. casinobox April 29, 2014 at 6:58 pm

        I don’t think you understand what traditionalism is. Nothing in the West over the past 400 years has been traditional. If you’re talking about traditionalism and nationalism in the same light, you don’t understand either. Traditionalism is rooted in tradition; nationalism is rooted in the nation-state. The idea of a nation-state is a modern idea. The governmental structure of a traditional society is an empire. Empires are, by their very design, multi-ethnic and thus multi-cultural. Nation-states (along with the modern views of race and ethnicity) are a modern phenomenon.

        You may wanna take a look at this. This is what traditionalism is about. Virtually no one in the West understands what traditionalism actually is because the West has been anti-traditional for the past 400 years.

      3. EvigtRegn October 10, 2014 at 1:18 pm

        But the difference is between being multicultural (as in the empire having de facto several cultures) and worshipping it like it’s some progressive virtue of the future.

        The first is just an acknowledgement of facts, no promise to cater to minorities in particular. The latter is what has come into play in the especially the last decade.

      4. Ilias September 6, 2015 at 2:37 am

        I am sorry but you should study more then.

        Successful empires were multicultural and at least had minimum care for minorities. When they did not they collapsed. Rome respected religious minorities and gave citizenship to many people, though we can not speak of strict equality. The Ottoman empire, and the other muslim empires before it allowed religious minorities not only to practice their cultures and religions but also to have their own legal and judicial system as long as they respected a minimal public order.

        It is not about worshipping multiculturalism. Nobody does that unless, for you, being interested in other cultures and showing passion for them is a sign of ‘submission to foreigners’. Rather we always hear about your systematic desire for cultural uniformity. You personify the alliance between the uniformisation of the world through the american soft power and the obsession of nationalism for uniformity. And pointed out very cleverly above, nationalism has nothing to do with traditionalism but rather is a modern conception which showed its limits and superficiality.

      5. EvigtRegn September 9, 2015 at 6:03 pm

        I don’t advocate empires either. They come at too high a social cost. But now we have even small nations like Sweden being completely fanatic.

        You think empires collapse when they stop caring about minorities?

        Most empires grew multicultural primarily by conquest. Now it’s more like we’re being colonized.

        Believe it or not, I have a deep interest in other cultures and languages. Just not any culture, any language. Some interest me a lot, some not at all. I don’t want massive immigration from cultures I have little interest in. I’m more inclined to agree immigration from more interesting cultures. But even that must be in reasonable quantities.

        To me it is an ideology that is used for massive colonization of the western world. The immigrants does what’s best for them, I get that. But that our elites sell us out like this, that’s the main problem.

        I’m no nationalist either. It’s too big a scale and a bit utopian as well. We humans can’t have any real bond and social history with more than 150 or so people. So I advocate decentralisation. Decisions being made where they have effects. E.g if you agree to massive immigration, they will live in your neighbourhood. You will spend your limited local resources on them and the sacrifice as well as rewards will be felt intimately. Not like our elites now who claim to love the immigration but won’t live anywhere near it. Others take the burden of their decisions.

      6. casinobox April 29, 2014 at 6:53 pm

        Roosh, what if we take the other scenario and try to get the world to keep repopulating. The strain being put on natural resources, water, food, the environment, etc. is simply unsustainable. If the world population keeps increasing, it’s gotta come crashing down. The world’s population must come down in one form or another.

        Also, you’re not looking at increases in productivity. If you’re experiencing 1% decrease in your workforce size, but you’ve got a 1.5% increase in productivity, you can sustain the fall in population. Rome experienced depopulation several times during its existence. Hell, during the reign of Marcus Aurelius, I believe the population of Rome fell from a peak of 65 million back down to 40-50 million. Successful societies and civilizations are robust to shifts in population.

      7. J.M. April 30, 2014 at 9:35 am

        You cannot compare Rome with our times. In our case we are literally aging, in Rome the population declines were mostly because birthrates didn’t keep up the losses in war and to plague, not because there were more elderly people than babies and teenagers.

        By the way no one has proven that the planet is overpopulated, and even today we are ABLE to feed the whole world if we really wanted to

      8. casinobox April 30, 2014 at 10:37 am

        You can’t prove that the population becomes overpopulated until it actually happens and shit hits the fan. World history is filled with population crashes. Do you really think that population and technology can keep growing exponentially forever? Usually, these things come crashing down towards the down side. Exponential growth at this kind of level is simply unsustainable. Look at what we’re doing to our environment as the most basic example. There are consequences for this kind of behavior.

        You do know what caused the Arab Spring right? It was the spike in food prices caused after QE that caused it. If you were to see some major spike in food prices or water resource problems (this is primarily a worry in the poorest parts of the world like Pakistan), you’d see wars break out.

      9. Westsider December 3, 2016 at 7:40 am

        “Usually, these things come crashing down towards the down side.”

        Not “usually” – always.

        Overshoot and die-off is an iron law of population biology.

  7. Felix46 April 28, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Great points. These Western nations have been decaying for some time, and its now a matter of when the reckoning day will come. All of this is clearly unsustainable

  8. FreshMan April 28, 2014 at 10:42 am

    great article. you are putting the bar quite high. roosh you remind me a bit of alain soral and other pestiferate thinkers that started with criticizing feminism, then moved on to cultural collapse. you are entering the dangerous zone.

  9. Fry Koskenin April 28, 2014 at 10:59 am

    At my last corporate engineering job in California (where I was one of three whites surrounded by a hundred Indians and Chinese), a very tiny dorky Asian guy got in my face one day and plainly explained that because of the low birth rates for whites, his race will soon take over America, and he was happy about that. He was very bold and smug and none of it came across as an abstraction.

    I simply agreed with him about his analysis of the relative birth rates, but told him not to ignore the probable coming spike in death rates. I told him that if whitey gets pissed enough, he can easily fire up the gas chambers and eradicate millions of interlopers. His face got very serious and he stayed away from me from then on. I’m surprised he didn’t go to HR and have me fired for standing up for my culture.

    1. jew putin April 28, 2014 at 11:50 am

      high death rates is actually on the jew agenda, they have engendered a race war, and i think maybe this time they have chosen whites to come out on top, if not in america at least in euorpe, they have imported all those non white immigrants in for a blood bath, a high jewish ritual slaughter as offering to their G_D.

    2. Jon April 28, 2014 at 1:04 pm

      Lol, takeover? Asians are only 5% of the US population. Moreover, Asians mix a shit ton with whites.

      We (I’m Asian American) will disappear in 2-3 generations since we will pretty much mix up. I expect Asian immigration to decline as Asia becomes richer and more developed. In anything, I propose Asians and whites work together to rule and exploit the rest of the world.

      1. agreed April 28, 2014 at 4:24 pm

        Believe it or not, smart whites like Asians, they raise their property values. Look at Fremont, CA. We also love Farsi speaking refugees from the Shah era, like Roosh’s family, see Alamo/Danville, CA for further confirmation.

      2. AFemaleCat April 29, 2014 at 12:55 am

        I’ve had a very similar experience as Fry Koskenin, I’ll just leave it at that.

      3. Nguyen Improved April 29, 2014 at 11:07 am

        Is that the mating call of the white loser? Yes sucks to know your kind are dying out..Those dorky asians are the future bitch. So suck it up.

      4. blinkeTitte April 30, 2014 at 10:20 am

        The ones with the small cocks?! Which like to fondle Gals in maiden outfits? Good luck with them… Are you in yet? 😉

      5. Prince Valiant May 6, 2014 at 5:16 pm

        Too bad they can’t think for themselves zollozolool. Asians are the least creative ethnic group on the planet.

      6. Wayne Youn July 24, 2016 at 9:25 pm

        Your are dIisgrace to vietnam women. I bet you are single, divorced, or leftover. White loser? What a joke, especially from a vietnamese when all the vietnamese women do is try

      7. Wayne Youn July 24, 2016 at 9:26 pm

        to be as white as possible. LOL

      8. Jon April 30, 2014 at 9:59 pm

        They are pleasant neighbors, superficially, but establishing strong community trust, that people of the same race can establish, is next to impossible. This takes both a psychological and political toll. Low community trust=low political effectiveness=vulnerable to stronger, more community-effective political groups=decreasing quality of life, wealth, and political influence/rights. This isn’t anti-Asian, it’s the political reality for all groups in mixed communities.

        I do appreciate the benefits that come with living next to higher intelligence neighbors though (not that all Asians are of higher IQ, but If you live in a wealthier neighborhood than it is likely). Low crime, pleasant conversations, etc…

      9. Nguyen Improved April 29, 2014 at 11:06 am

        Yes there is beginning to be an exodus of whites to asia now. Lotta white cunts polluting the asian gene pool here in vietnam.

      10. Tom Dane April 29, 2014 at 5:05 pm

        You mean enriching.

      11. Triple OG Pimp C April 30, 2014 at 3:05 am

        Well played. This got a legitimate laugh out of me.

      12. Jon April 30, 2014 at 10:00 pm

        You’re right, Europe has nothing on Vietnam…

      13. Jon May 2, 2014 at 11:41 am

        How about us other Asians? If Japananese, Taiwanese, Chinese, and Koreans start “polluting” the Vietnamese gene pool, would you be against it? Vietnamese girls can be damn fine!

      14. AL October 24, 2015 at 1:30 pm

        Wow. So many racist Whites and Asians in these comments. What’s up with that? Roosh, the racism in many of the comments sections in your articles, really takes away from your message. All I see in the comments section are Whitey this, nigger that, ragheads this. Cmon now…you guys can do better than resorting to that.

      15. Danish Broski May 2, 2014 at 5:28 pm

        Asians and whites get along pretty well and both have cultures (talking original white culture) which can compliment each other.

        Asians are very collectivist, while the nature of whites is individualist (to the extreme), which is also why there have been so many wars in Europe.

        That being said, there is widespread xenophobia and racism against whites in Asia.

      16. AL October 24, 2015 at 1:25 pm

        I’m Korean American living between China and Thailand. I think more and more Asians will head back to prosperous Asia after the West collapses. I’m neither anti-White nor anti-Black–and I like all races, but I agree with David Duke when he makes the point that multiculturalism and mass immigration is bad for a country. I also think Marcus Garvey was a hero for the Black community, but unfortunately, the U.S. government stopped him from accomplishing his goal of returning Blacks back to Africa. (Stupid U.S. government).

      17. Jack July 5, 2018 at 1:31 am

        Asians are well mannered. High IQ. Asian women are polite.

    3. Tokyo Teddy April 28, 2014 at 10:15 pm

      Almost all asian countries have a way worse birth rate than the US. Japan is dismal, Korea is the same and China has been forcing women to get abortions for a generation leading to a dwindled population and a female deficit of 30 million today. None of these countries however are replacing the population with immigrants. Japan, being wacky as they are, are aiming to replace humans with robot labour.

      1. fluffybiskuts April 29, 2014 at 6:20 pm

        The stat that in Japan they sell more ADULT diapers than baby diapers is true. Japan has the oldest population on Earth and way below the replication rate. China’s one kid policy and it’s high selective abortion of females ( sometimes even female infanticide ) has resulted in a huge excess of Chinese males. What do you with excess males ? War.

      2. PoosyVortex May 3, 2014 at 9:46 pm

        Correction: “What do you with excess males?” China is really just not a warring and aggressive nation (for example, little Vietnam repelled and kicked communist China’s ass in the 70’s – for real). The proper answer is: Either rampant homosexuality, celibacy, immigration or Real Dolls (and we are talking a lot of them, like a 1,000 fuck-tons of Real Dolls – I wish I could buy stock in this company):

    4. fluffybiskuts April 29, 2014 at 1:17 am

      Damn how did you not punch him in the mouth???

      1. Nguyen Improved April 29, 2014 at 11:09 am

        It’s a new thing. It’s called “the difference between reality and typing words on a keyboard” bitch lol. Or are you 5 years old..

      2. fluffybiskuts April 29, 2014 at 6:30 pm

        Growed up people often get mad when they are insulted and sometimes respond with violence. The little twat discussed in this thread wilted when even confronted with a snarky reply by Mr Fry so punches necessary..

    5. gu April 29, 2014 at 4:57 am

      “I told him that if whitey gets pissed enough, he can easily fire up the gas chambers and eradicate millions of interlopers.”

      Yeah, because YT is the only one who can do that.

    6. Nguyen Improved April 29, 2014 at 11:05 am

      I highly doubt you said that. You sound like the kind of guy who’s tough over the internet but in reality you probably just mumbled stuff into your coat jacket with the 5 assorted pens.

      1. cunt dracula April 30, 2014 at 4:34 am

        actually i go home and suck my own ballz

    7. Ricky Vaughn April 29, 2014 at 2:24 pm

      Not sure a major pushback will ever happen. Was there a civil war in Rome when it collapsed? No, the Romans were drowning in decadence and too fat and happy to defend their culture.

      1. Brad Turner April 29, 2014 at 3:15 pm

        Actually yes many civil wars happened before the end. This is partly why the empire collapsed. The legions aggression was turned inward. Also, the romans hired many barbarian mercenaries. The image of fat and lazy romans is a common misconception that became popularized by hollywood. Actually,l rome was contracting economically at the time and everyone was worse off, even the nobility. Some of the latter emperors were incompetent, some were smart. It was a complex series of factors that brought down rome. Plagues, civil war, economic decline all played a part. Also do not forget that only the western part of the empire collapsed. The eastern part of the empire (byzantine empire) survived in some form for another 1000 years.

      2. Ricky Vaughn April 29, 2014 at 5:00 pm

        +1 Thanks for the info. Should probably start reading Gibbon or something.

      3. casinobox April 29, 2014 at 7:24 pm

        Yea, that might be a smart idea because Rome was probably the most multicultural civilization in history (Rome had black emperors like this guy Rome had a shitload of civil wars throughout its history. Rome experienced depopulation lots of times too. Under the reign of Marcus Aurelius, the population fell from 65 million to around 40-50 million at one point. Rome didn’t even have the same view of race that we have today; Rome had a spiritual view of race. Our view of race was developed over the past few centuries starting with European colonialism and it was also around the same time when the nation-state was developed. Anyone arguing for nationalism as a route to traditionalism just has their head stuck up their ass as nationalism is an idea that’s inherently opposed to tradition. The governmental structure of a traditional society was a multi-ethnic and multicultural empire, which is the exact opposite of a nation-state.

      4. Guest April 30, 2014 at 11:57 am

        2/10, too obvious.

      5. Gaylord May 7, 2014 at 1:08 pm

        Since when are Libyans considered black? You’re just spreading myths. Romans had a very strict policy on their nationalism ,,SPQR” and this also: ,,when in Rome, do as the Romans do”. They also borrowed the term “barbarian” from Greeks, the cultural mixing came from free migration and conquered territories.

      6. Brad Turner April 29, 2014 at 9:07 pm

        Gibbon is good. He is a little outdated though. I recommend Adrian Goldsworthy’s “How Rome Fell.” It is comprehensive and up to date.

      7. Jon April 30, 2014 at 10:04 pm

        …and the Byzantines rightfully banned circumcision of a non-Jewish child under an anti-mutilation law. Who says that we are more advanced…

      8. R bere May 2, 2014 at 8:56 pm

        “Lost to the West” is an excellent highly readable book about the Byzantine empire. One reason …and I’m sure there were multiple ones…that the Byzantine empire flourished for so long was the absolute adherence to a sound, gold based, monetary system. All money was in gold and I believe silver. No debasement of the currency was allowed upon punishment by death. This allowed stable prices, low to no inflation and reliable thriving economic commerce for centuries.
        Contrast that with the world currency today where “money printing” is simply done by mashing a computer key and adding more digits into the system. They’re not even truly printing.

      9. Brad Turner May 4, 2014 at 10:22 pm

        Interesting I will have to check it out, thanks for the recommendation.

    8. blinkeTitte April 30, 2014 at 10:19 am

      Same here in germany, everbody who doesn’t bow spinelessly to p.c. islamlove and braindead gender-mainstreaming is called a racist and a NAZI. Sometimes I reply to those morons: “Shh, don’t wake the NAZi in me, you know what we (allegedly) can do”. And I think we agree, that antiracist is antiwhite, cause everybody else here is allowed to cherish his racism. It happens that peaceful german young men are trampled to death by turks and other scum. Goole Daniel Siefert Kirchweyhe, Johnny K. Berlin etc.

    9. R bere May 2, 2014 at 8:51 pm

      Haha. Too bad he didn’t say this in the parking lot or you could have punched him in the face after your wonderful retort. That’s what would happen to someone like this where I live where men don’t take no shit off pencil necked punks; The South!

    10. Badwolf June 22, 2014 at 10:23 pm

      You should have smiled and agreed with him. As he walked away smugly you could’ve reminded him that whites will be the ones carrying on the future of the Asian race, just ask any Asian girl.

      Let the hate commence.

  10. Mark April 28, 2014 at 11:05 am

    what a bunch of pseudo science crap, if you do something sociologically at least think about causation and the use of empirical data when making probability statements tsk tsk

    1. funny April 28, 2014 at 4:14 pm

      “if you do something sociologically at least think about causation and the use of empirical data when making probability statements”
      Maybe that’s why he’s used footnotes for the first time I’ve ever seen (vnice Roosh) in his many years of posting, specifically for douchenozzles like YOU.

      1. bunch of sheep April 30, 2014 at 4:42 am

        Sheep like you are easy to impress..

      2. FuriousFerret April 30, 2014 at 3:08 pm

        Ok there chief.

        We’re the sheep. The tiny minority of college educated men that resist some form of liberalism while every other guy falls for it one way or the other. Trad Cons with being white knight feminists and the liberals being themselves.


  11. UnpluggedBeta April 28, 2014 at 11:06 am

    I felt like I was reading an academic paper; I really appreciate the citations and references which illustrate your points.

    1. Derrick April 28, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      It must have taken all day to write this. Very nice research Roosh. It had a peer reviewd vibe to it.

      Game Hustler Roosh
      What’s a cheap spot for a player now withwhite women that look good?

      1. Guest April 29, 2014 at 5:01 pm

        I hear Ghana, The Congo, and Uganda have lots of fine white wimminz. Why don’t you hop on the next boat out of here and go find out?

    2. Conrad Stonebanks April 29, 2014 at 3:39 am

      If it was a paper, Roosh would probably have been outed from the academic community before completion of the peer review process. Academia has become antithetical to the truth.

  12. typo April 28, 2014 at 11:12 am

    “I hope that by proposing this model, it because more clear” => “it become more clear”

    1. Roosh_V April 28, 2014 at 4:45 pm


  13. Stalin's Condom April 28, 2014 at 11:19 am

    This is a masterpiece. Some of Roosh’s best writing yet.

  14. Nevsky April 28, 2014 at 11:41 am

    This is one of the most comprehensive analysis of the destruction of the West that I’ve ever read. This article ties in manosphere/red pill observations with other traditionalist ideas, presenting a unified theory. Well done.

    1. mmhmmm April 28, 2014 at 4:19 pm

      Concur, more amazing articles, all since he decided to kill his facebook and twitter and think more about what he writes. Just to point out, Kaddafi from Libya paid 50 grand to any couple who had a child. THAT’S how you grow a native population. Of course, the Khazars don’t like that much.

      1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:37 pm

        Ghaddafi was a dictator and murderer who justified his state sanctioned oppression by quoting radical Islam. Get ure facts straight and ure comment is anti-Semitic.

      2. Guest April 29, 2014 at 5:00 pm

        Your hate speech against muslims has been reported to the Tornonto Authorities. You’d better starting looking for a good attorney.

      3. Kim Mitchell April 30, 2014 at 4:30 am

        that’s funny. TO authorities, who are they? the talking cunts?

      4. Joe Spennato April 30, 2014 at 7:03 pm

        Quiet yourself jooo, nobody wants to hear your Zionist crap

      5. Jon April 30, 2014 at 9:48 pm

        His comment is pro-Libyan, which is by default pro-Semitic. Get your facts straight. Also, your ironic lack of awareness in using progressive oppression speech after this great article is shameful.

      6. SpectrumWalker May 2, 2014 at 3:24 am

        Gaddafi was also the first person in the world to issue an arrest warrant for Bin Laden. Maybe we should have listened to him. Israel and Saudi Arabia are the two biggest threats to US national security.

      7. Kris Kemp May 14, 2014 at 11:59 am

        You’re an idiot. Ghaddafi did more for his country than Obama ever has. He was protecting his country from Zionists (most of whom happen to be Jewish). Just like Putin is doing currently. Viva Putin. And Andrea, continue watching mainstream news and continue being an idiot.

      8. fizziks April 30, 2014 at 6:37 pm

        The Khazar hypothesis has been rejected by every shred of genetic, linguistic, and historical evidence. Sorry.

      9. Jon April 30, 2014 at 9:51 pm

        Sorry, but it hasn’t. The low quality studies that supposedly disproved the Khazar accusation have been roundly discredited as lacking in validity.

    2. The Legend April 29, 2014 at 10:00 am

      hmmm if this is one of the most comprehensive analysis of the destruction of the West that I’ve ever read, may be it’s time to get off the matrix and experience life outside this so called manosphere/redpill bs.

      1. Nevsky April 29, 2014 at 7:17 pm

        What’s this “outside” you speak of?

    3. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 4:13 pm

      yu need some meds if you think misogyny, anti-Semitism and hatred of Toronto women is worthy of reading!

      1. Nevsky April 29, 2014 at 7:15 pm

        6/10 trolling attempt. You almost got my feathers ruffled. Not bad.

      2. Cunt Dracula April 30, 2014 at 4:32 am

        can you spell ‘suck my ballz’?

    4. Brianmark April 29, 2014 at 5:59 pm

      I agree. Roosh, this was a very good article about something I’ve researched and talked with my friends about many times. What you are talking about will occur MUCH quicker than 200 years. I’d go with 20
      years! Technology is not just an amplifier, it is a driver too. The internet and the smartphone have changed the world more in the last 5 years than everything else did in the previous 20. I’ve been traveling to same foreign
      countries regularly over the last 10 years. Changes I was expecting to see occur in 5 – 10 years came in 2 years. I hear all the time, Thailand will always be Thailand or the USA will always be the USA. Yes, they will occupy the same places on the map they do today, but both countries will change culturally so much in the next 20 years they won’t even resemble
      the countries they are today.

    5. splooge April 30, 2014 at 6:27 pm

      heres an updated percentage of native europeans. However important to note, mixed people,native balkan muslims,gypsys,chechnians and other caucaus people for some reason are not considered european(shocked cuz caucuas people are european)
      worthy to note lot of those people in russia are native to the country but are not slavic(tatars,dagestani,checnian,caucase ppl, native american in far east)

      In canada and austrailia both are 20% non white(includes natives)
      BUt these are still better then being arab or malay in UAE qatar singapore or malaysia
      o and 1 in 3 latin americans are full blooded europeans…the rest are mixed
      the level of diversity in europe is literally nothing compared to the americas and Oceania.

      1. Nevsky May 1, 2014 at 9:19 pm

        What is your point?

    6. invisiblehand85 January 13, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      Agree–extremely insightful, accurate and substantiated

      Interested in how this compares to the East, and how will the revelations here affect world geopolitics

      1. Ilias September 6, 2015 at 2:55 am

        I am European and things here are not ‘black and white’. We don’t have your racial classifications here. For instance, my father is from Morocco and is looks totally european, though his ancestors are not. If you go to the south of Italy, some people look very brown while in Turkey or in Algeria you will find others who are blond-haired. Genetics showed that on average 40% of maternal ADN lineage of moroccan population is european. And we also have diversity as berberians, arabs and also marginally blacks.

        I want to show you that your white/blacks category are typically american, sometimes british. But we do not like to think in these categories here in western Europe, especially when they do not fit the complexity of the common history of mediterranean countries.

  15. jew putin April 28, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Putin is a false conservative, he works for the jew like all the rest, he has arrested and imprisoned all the white nationalist leaders and killed all the momentum Wn’s had in russia years ago, his anti-homo rhetoric and laws is all a cover to make him look hard, but he is just another jew agent destroying a white nation.

  16. MrLemon April 28, 2014 at 11:51 am


    However there is another scenario I’d rate more likely in the US: hyper-fanatic Mormon/Christian revival.

    You’d be surprised how many US citizens will embrace a radical right-wing christian takeover, in a time of danger. It would start slow, would not be noticeable. Then after 10-29 years, Feminists and homosexuals are being sent to “reeducation camps”.

    Everybody scoffs when they hear this idea. They forget that only 60 years ago, this kind of thing was the mainstream. We could easily see the pendulum swing back in our lifetime.

    1. Chode-Warrior April 28, 2014 at 1:09 pm

      Possible, but I would think it’s unlikely. I think this path that we are currently on will end in a major world conflict (WW3 style bloodbath) before any sort of grassroots native revivals take place in any of the major Western nations. Major war is right around the corner. Time will tell I suppose.

    2. Nick April 29, 2014 at 3:53 am

      Yeah, mainstream in Germany under atheist, national-socialist rule. Funny how feminists and homosexuals already run “re-eduction camps” in virtually every university and corporation under the guise of “Diversity” and “Sexual Harassment Policy” offices.

      1. Lobotomite April 29, 2014 at 6:29 pm

        Hitler said Nazism was founded on Christian principles.

      2. casinobox April 29, 2014 at 7:05 pm

        That’s what he said, not what he believed. Hitler was also kind of an arrogant idiot. That’s what fucked him up too. Hitler was pretty close to being a nihilist and many would consider him a nihilist.

  17. Inside UoM April 28, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Very good article, very heartiste-like.

    1. nomnom April 28, 2014 at 4:38 pm

      Roosh’s diction is approaching heartiste status, too bad the SAT’s no longer test for complicated words.

    1. Guest April 29, 2014 at 4:58 pm

      disgusting filth. the makers of this shitshow should be brought up on hate crimes charges for denigrating white men in a racist and religionist movie.

  18. Uh-oh April 28, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Chateau? Did you take over Roosh’s site?

    1. eheh April 28, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      The truth’s a shiv, as they say.

  19. Grody April 28, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Let’s see some corobrative evidence dude. I have a feeling you are just pulling all this stuff out of your ass.

    1. ummmmm April 28, 2014 at 4:31 pm

      Corroborative evidence like ummmmmmmmmm……. Footnotes to peer reviewed research? Ponder. You do understand footnotes, yes? Or has the Amerikan school system fallen this low.

  20. Deebos April 28, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    Solid article. Too often American culture takes the blame and this is true to an extent but the difference is today’s American culture is liberalized and it is this liberal culture that is the ultimate cause of cultural decline. The Iitems pointed out in the article that are indicated as causes of decline are values liberals actively promote.

  21. Laguna Beach Fogey April 28, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    Well said, Roosh. I stroll the beaches and I see Asians, Mexicans, and Middle Easterners with hordes of kids in tow. The non-Whites are multiplying; the Whites, not so much. If we’re going to get our countries back, there’ll be a lot killing going on. That’s something our people are going to have to accept. And personally, I look forward to it.

    1. G Marvelous Hunidds Right April 28, 2014 at 3:14 pm

      I doubt many want to play with the beaners at night. C’mon man-do you think many can fight like the la raza- those German off the grid Idaho and Texas 50 Barrett 82 totting off grid white militia dudes are the best but
      Lb for lb Is bet on beaners with AKs over most crews home boy.

      1. Laguna Beach Fogey April 28, 2014 at 8:10 pm

        My money’s on the Americans. It’s their land, after all.

      2. Smart Alex April 29, 2014 at 12:03 am

        So …your money’s on the Native Americans?

      3. Laguna Beach Fogey April 29, 2014 at 1:15 pm

        The Americans.

      4. Smart Alex April 30, 2014 at 5:37 pm

        So what, in your opinion, is the arbitrary date one’s ancestors would’ve had to immigrate to America in order to qualify as “American”? Since everyone came from somewhere else: (Even the native Americans are believed to have migrated from either East Asia via the Aleutians or South America)…I’m just really really curious

      5. Laguna Beach Fogey May 2, 2014 at 10:18 am

        The date doesn’t necessarily determine who is “American.”

      6. Smart Alex May 2, 2014 at 2:48 pm

        Well looky there…we actually agree on something. (But I suspect it’s from diametrically opposed viewpoints)
        OK, I’ll bite. What then is/are the determining factor(s)? Specifically how do you diagnose who is or isn’t “American”?

    2. Mr. Z April 28, 2014 at 9:10 pm

      Killing people because of their race or ethnicity is not the answer and never will be. I agree with the article but comments like these are where we need to draw the line.

      1. Laguna Beach Fogey April 29, 2014 at 1:16 pm

        Violence works.

        Always has, always will.

      2. Guest April 29, 2014 at 4:57 pm

        Every conflict in world history has ultimately been resolved through violence. This is true even in the animal kingdom. So, yeah, that’s you being way wrong, bro.

  22. Acehole April 28, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    This is some of the most interesting writing I have seen on the internet in quite some time. Well done. Great theory. Sadly, I see many aspects of your theory leaving the realm of theory, and entering the realm of reality.

  23. Steve H April 28, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    I just recently finished Jonathan Last’s What to Expect When No One Is Expecting. Another really good book is The Empty Cradle by Phil Longman. They both look at demographics and make predictions for the future. Both are not optimistic. Phil leans left and Jonathan leans right.

  24. Russ April 28, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Brilliant article! I wonder how the rise of Islam and its culture in some western countries will jibe with feminism? That’s a battle I’d love to see

    1. Guest April 28, 2014 at 7:27 pm

      It will be a perfect fit, since feminism is a war specifically aimed at White Christian Heterosexual men. All other men, including muslims, are deemed exempt from the shaming and control matrix of feminism.

      1. asshole April 28, 2014 at 8:21 pm

        This is incorrect. Feminism has reached many muslim countries and is starting to create havoc there as well. Many social ills that the West suffers from (high divorce rates, low marriage rates, delay in having children etc.) are now also seen in many muslim countries, especially the westernized/more liberal ones like: Turkey, Morocco, Tunisia etc. Muslim minorities in the West deal with exact the same problems as the general population. Careerism amongst many Western Muslim women is as high if not higher than among white women. A positive i do see is the fact that Muslim men tend to be less passive when it comes to gender relations. The moment they deem it is going to far they’ll lash out.

      2. Conrad Stonebanks April 29, 2014 at 3:31 am

        “Careerism amongst many Western Muslim women is as high if not higher than among white women.”

        That’s no surprise given the massive affirmative action policies and the equally massive enabling lobby. Who can blame them for taking advantage of this opportunity?

      3. asshole April 29, 2014 at 7:29 am

        The biggest recipients of “affirmative action” are white women. Second are white gay men.

      4. Guest April 29, 2014 at 4:55 pm

        BZZZZZT! Wrong-o.
        White women, sure. But next in line are black women, then black men, then men or women of ANY race but white, and finally gays at the bottom.

        In other words, in the land your white forefathers built, you are put at the very bottom of the totem pole in consideration for jobs, homes, or college acceptance, if you are a white male. And this scenario is supposedly meant to address sexism and racism!! The hypocrisy is mind-boggling.

      5. Ilias September 6, 2015 at 3:04 am

        I am a european muslim and i can tell you that there is no affirmative action in Europe, except slightly in the United Kingdom.

        Especially in romano-germanic legal systems, affirmative action is a heresy.

        So as we muslims suffer from discrimination (which is a natural reaction through human groups), we deserve our success when it is reached.

        Let me also inform you americans that muslims are not a race but the followers of a religion. My wife is a belgian blue eyed-blonde and is more muslim than 99% of us in Europe. And I know arabs who are atheists.

        We do not care about colors our race. The matter is moral and civilisational. Your obsession on color is really strange for us mediterraneans as we are of every colors and never seriously care about it.

      6. Conrad Stonebanks April 29, 2014 at 3:28 am

        “Muslims are deemed exempt from the shaming and control matrix of feminism”

        This is true for every Western-European country. Pat Condell has some excellent vids on this topic where he masterfully exposes this hypocrisy.

      7. Ilias September 6, 2015 at 3:16 am

        Unfortunately we are submitted to the same rules than others sometimes worse as we are looked with suspicion.

        But we managed to keep a little margin of action, as we have a deeply rooted alternative and do not bow to the dominants without resistance.

  25. Laguna Beach Fogey April 28, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    This should be expanded into an e-book.

  26. runsonmagic April 28, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    This could be your most important work yet.

    1. Nguyen Improved April 29, 2014 at 12:11 am

      The impact of this paper must be spread beyond the manosphere. This is more important than any thesis written by any white-haired old bastard in a stuffy ivory tower…

  27. Theodore Logan April 28, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Roosh, you closet Stormfronter, you! I’m gonna go cry to all my nonwhite friends what an evil racist you are! sniff, sniff. 😉

  28. naz April 28, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    what about populist/paramilitary parties rising up, as in Greece with the Golden Dawn? As I recall, Germany had a a successful uprising much like this in the 30s.
    The problem with WN types is that they’re not respectable; put plainly, they whine like losers, offering no concrete solutions, no organization. What if professionals started getting behind the bandwagon and taking nativist identity into productive areas like politics and protest, while maintaining a prole-like group of brownshirts to do the dirty work?
    The other alternative, christianity, is on the way out it seems. More and more people are identifying as atheists, but the christians have more kids who presumable become christian themselves, so it may be that there will be a sort of balancing where the christians fight the muslims.

    1. Guest April 28, 2014 at 7:25 pm

      People have tried exactly what you describe, and were ceaselessly demonized by the jew media until they were driven out of society. Skinheads in the 80s. Tom Metzger. David Duke.

      Until the people of a nation are able to control their own media, nothing will change.

      The media is the lynchpin – the secret sauce that has made all of this possible. It’s why they fight so ruthlessly to protect their monopoly on it.

  29. ActionJackson April 28, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Roosh sounds like he’s getting perilously close to Jewish Question … I guess it doesn’t really matter since he’s already on the SPLC hit list!

    1. Jew Ruined Murica April 28, 2014 at 3:19 pm

      You mean Aipac Rothschild kosher Nostra banker thought police aka Splc and adl. All ZOG nwo Jew boy con games.

      1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:26 pm

        nothing but lies and more lies! This is maybe why Canada is a safer and economically stronger country than America! Bigots and anti-Semites are not blessed by God! Canada will always stand by Israel no matter what!

      2. Jon April 30, 2014 at 10:16 pm

        ah…the little Jew girl awakes! Canada is only “safer” because Jewish oppression is stronger there, against weaker founding documents, and was able to enact stricter anti-free speech codes. Ovadia Yosef wasn’t lying when he stated that all gentiles are to be Jewish slaves. The ADL wasn’t lying when they merely called his comment “divisive” in a short paragraph but notably refrained from calling it false, even while they write pages denouncing the supposed supremacism of David Duke who never came close to calling for anyone to be a slave but merely calls out Jewish supremacists like OVadia (and Ovadia went on to have the biggest funeral in the history of Israel). Barbara Spectre wasn’t lying when she, on film, said that Jews have a leading role in diluting Europe with Muslim and African Hordes. Foxman wasn’t lying when he said in an interview that his primary job was to promote multiculturalism because it’s good for the Jews and gloated about weakening free speech through social penalty in the USA. I could literally keep this paragraph going for pages…

      3. blinkeTitte April 30, 2014 at 10:24 am

        Yes all of the scum who works for Kothchild, Gay Pee Moron, Fartburg, Goldman Sucks and other vivid private Banks, making FIAT-Money on our expenses

    2. Guest April 28, 2014 at 7:22 pm

      It’s where all intellectually honest men end up when they attain the maturity and wisdom to accept it. They are confronted with the inescapable evidence that jews, acting as a sort of informal international cabal, have been deliberately undermining their host populations for a very long time.

      Where most armies are straightforward and declare their intentions with military strength, jews operate insidiously in the shadows, posing as allies while mercilessly wrecking the host from the inside. Because they never own up to their true intentions, they are a far more dangerous threat to western civilization.

      How you react to this knowledge determines your character. Do you run and hide from the truth because it is so incredibly unpopular and socially unacceptable, or do you embrace the truth no matter the cost?

    3. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm

      Ure comment is racist and anti-Semitic. How would you feel if a group of people hated you for no reason? in Canada, I am sure that ure comment will lead to a police inquiry as ure remarks is hate speech and misogyny and causes hatred against the Jewish people who endured years of exile, Nazism and the Shoah.

      1. blinkeTitte April 30, 2014 at 10:24 am

        Uh my god, are you the long lst sister of Vicky Pollard?

      2. Jon April 30, 2014 at 10:20 pm

        in Canada, I am sure that ure comment will lead to a police inquiry as ure remarks is hate speech

        All Jewish enacted laws, which is part of the reason people don’t like you.

        and causes hatred against the Jewish people who endured years of exile, Nazism and the Shoah.

        Next to centuries of gentile endurance of Jews and their economic, religious, and social harassment in gentile lands, your complaints don’t count for much.

      3. John Brown May 11, 2014 at 8:33 pm

        lol @ this kike.

        But, but, but what about the shoah. Your kind had nothing to do with creating Canada but you want to control it with your ZOG narcissism.

        Kill Jews.

  30. GhostFaceApexAlpha April 28, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    When seemingly alpha-type (or least charismatic, good looking) males settle for women having SMV much lower than them. I think that Clooney is a victim of western feminization and beta-manifestation:

    Mayb it’s just me, but this chick just looks too much “plain-jane-ish” to me. She doesn’t really have any cleavage or boobies, or ass. And of course her job gets zero points, which actually can get her negative points for SMV.

    I actually think that George Clooney is more of a “contextual” alpha rather than the real thing, Acting isn’t a real manly job: Any job where one just has to show the fuck up, and present no skill set of any kind whatsoever, loses man points in my book.

    1. wtf April 28, 2014 at 5:04 pm

      WTF is man points, dude we are adults now, we compare pocketbooks and achievements. I’m pretty sure he wins.

      1. wtf April 28, 2014 at 5:15 pm

        Not to mention Lebanese/Syrian/Iranians are hot, she speaks English/French/Arabic, three languages, and she’s a powerful lawyer for the left, which Clooney is deeply involved in (not my bag but whatev). She represented Julian Assange to avoid extradition. I guarantee none of Clooney’s previous gf’s/wives had an IQ anything close to this one.

      2. Conrad Stonebanks April 29, 2014 at 3:23 am

        Being a high-powered lawyer doesn’t necessarily equate with a high IQ. Nevertheless, I agree she’s a better match for Clooney (given his interests) than his previous flings.

      3. Ilias September 6, 2015 at 3:25 am

        Being a high-powered lawyer in Europe means being intelligent. Here it is not about superficial impressions but intellectual dexterity.

    2. spentcasings April 29, 2014 at 5:53 pm

      Well, even though she might be “plain janish,” he just might have well thought that the hot bimbos get pretty tiresome, if they are boring as all hell, and can’t hold a conversation, especially after he’s banged them for a while. What else is there to them, their looks? Nothing going on witih the bimbos otherwise, he wanted something more substantial, in light of his interests

  31. Conservative Muslim Guy April 28, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    Hey Roosh, I’m a second generation conservative Muslim who was born and raised in Toronto. I think you and other readers might benefit from my perspective on this.

    First of all, your general observations are right, but points 6 and 7 are potentially problematic. As far as 7 goes, there are two other possibilities. One possibility is a Nazi-style reaction to immigrants and an increase in violence as opposed to the acceptance of immigrants. Another possibility is the increased demand for immigrants to assimilate through soft power means, as opposed to accommodating them (kind of like Russia.) Muslims are absolutely terrified of the Nazi possibility which we view as very real given that most Muslim immigrants come from U.S. backed regimes that would not hesitate to massacres millions of their own people (Saddam Hussein is a prime example.) If NATO countries are willing to do this via puppet governments, they are certainly willing to do it in their own countries if it serves their interests. In fact, some sort of confrontation (albeit not necessarily military) is probable if Muslims become a very large minority/a majority and we become more aggressive in our demands for state-enforced regulations that marginalize the native population, or more importantly, marginalize corporate interests.The Shariah encompasses economic laws which in theory prevent the raping and pillaging that is going on by multinational corporations, and if they start feeling threatened they will lash out against us. Some sort of confrontation is inevitable, it’s just a matter of the scale and scope; the ideal for Muslims would not involve violence in which case we will most likely be massacred.

    Second, one of the major problems within the Muslim community is our retention rates. Second and third generation Muslims are becoming more and more integrated into mainstream culture and their mosque attendance is extremely low. Furthermore, Muslims are the second most educated minority in America which means that many Muslim young people are indoctrinated by liberal ideas, especially about the role of women and the family. Compound this with the fact that the liberals are the only ones actually defending and helping us to some degree on the political front and you have the rise of “liberal Islam.” This is a major problem which, God Willing, we will overcome, but as of now we have been failing to deal with it. As it stands however, Muslim divorce rates are rising and most Muslims have dangerously liberal tendencies, if not openly advocating that they are “liberal Muslims” or “Muslim feminists.” With the rise of second generation clergy as opposed to immigrant clergy, however, there is promise of significant improvement.

    My point in mentioning all of that is basically that it is possible that American culture may end up melting Muslims into the pot, it’s just the skin colour of the American people that may change, but not the mentality. Take many fourth generation Chinese Americans today; they are basically Americans with slanted eyes. God Willing, this will not happen to Muslims and I firmly believe that Muslims have the intellectual tools and capacity to withstand the overwhelming force of mainstream culture.

    Third, I felt a type of antagonism to Muslims in this article which I wanted to address. First of all, realize that the majority of Muslims who immigrated to the United States did not do so by choice; they did so because the U.S. imperial policy destroyed their own countries. Their own native populations are enslaved in their homeland, they are the lucky ones who escaped. Muslims would much rather live in their home countries and part of the solution has to be to stop U.S. imperial policies so that the demand for entry into the U.S. is halted.

    Second of all, you made it seem like Muslims SHOULD integrate into mainstream American culture, as you and your parents have. My question to you is why? You yourself have spent hours ranting about how terrible Western culture has become and how it’s all about consumerism and hedonism and stupidity and how happiness seems to you to be an unattainable ideal. Muslims clearly have a far superior system which leads to individual happiness and social solidarity; why on earth would we downgrade? Of course there is going to be a large percentage of us (usually those of us who are actually educated in traditional Islamic subjects instead of being just “cultural Muslims” who are raised by Muslim parents) who refuse to adopt Western values. There might be someone who replies to this point by pointing out the terrible situation in Muslim countries today. I would say that they are being unfair; Islam was great for well over a thousand years, its not fair to judge Islamic civilization as a whole based on its worst period while ignoring its best. As it stands, anyway, my point is not to get into a tit for tat debate on a historical subject. My point is that here and now from the point of view of Muslims themselves, adopting American values is a downgrade even from just a worldly point of view, let alone from the point of view of the hereafter. The fact that Muslims have a superior system of living is also the reason why natives convert to Islam, because they too are sick of their own culture which has become degenerate and lacking in many ways (while of course, it is great in others I think we would all agree.)

    Third of all, and this was alluded to earlier, the percentage of Muslims who are all “this is a Shariah law zone” and patrolling on motor bikes is very insignificant. In fact, we regularly make fun of these kinds of guys. They don’t understand even the basics of the Shariah, which demands that we as Muslims living in a non-Muslim land adhere to the laws of the state, especially in regards to the penal code, unless certain conditions are met. If the state orders me to kill an innocent person, Islamically speaking I can’t say “well Islam says to obey the state so I killed him”, obviously in that case civil disobedience must be practiced. There is an entire science behind this that is extremely developed and I think it is rather a simplistic view that many right wingers tend to have of Muslims to think of them bearded jihadists. As a man of Middle Eastern descent, Roosh, you especially have more cause than others to do some research into what Islam actually says as opposed to taking a mainstream view. This post is just the beginning of my commentary on your writings Roosh, if you want to discuss more you can email me, Allah Willing.

    To other readers please upvote me so that Roosh sees this.

    1. hrm April 28, 2014 at 5:35 pm

      Usury is a very -small- part of a Bank’s portfolio these days. You still pay your income taxes, your state taxes, your property taxes, and your sales taxes, and your VAT, with no complaints. You do not threaten the status quo. The blind following of Imam’s without question, under penalty of death, also serves the Khazars well, as they know no one question what is going on without threatening their entire family lineage in the process. Otherwise, you appear to be very well read. Is it difficult to reconcile intelligence with blind obedience to an Imam?

      1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:33 pm

        Ure comment is racist and defamatory against the Jewish people! If u were in Canada, u will be imprisoned for ur bigoted hate speech against the Jewish people. I am sure glad that Dianne Feinstein is going to ban the guns from those racist right ring extremists. A good president will lessen the viability of the First Amendment to protect minorities from hateful speech and misogynist comments!

      2. Lobotomite April 29, 2014 at 6:18 pm

        JIDF plz go.

    2. Roosh_V April 28, 2014 at 11:34 pm

      I have no bones to pick against immigrants, and agree that they are downgrading their virtue by accepting Western culture. But how did the culture get this way? Progressiveism. How will it further decline? Lower birth rates and mass immigration. Progressive ideologies are my enemy here… I was just taking their views to its natural end.

      1. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 2:43 am

        I see your point, and once again I agree with your general observations. All I’m trying to say is that lack of white people does not necessarily mean cultural decline if you are defining culture as the “American attitude.” The white people who are being removed from the gene pool can be replaced by immigrants who are integrated to sing the same song, like a lot of Chinese Americans. In that case, the same culture will continue long after white people lose their majority status in their own countries. What I’m trying to say is that it is not definite that Muslims will succeed in taking over Western culture because we might get melted into the pot, there might be a violent crackdown on us, or some soft power means may be employed to hinder us. It’s going to take real effort on our part to retain our religious worldview while out-reproducing white people and all other minorities, all in a hostile environment.

        By the way, the irony of the manosphere is that like a good 70% of what the manosphere has said (you recommended this as a representation of the manosphere’s thesis: ) was already predicted by Muslim philosophers like 40 years ago when Western “women’s liberation” movements were being pushed in Iran. I can literally show you the places where they said exactly what the manosphere is saying now, from economic issues such as the problems with the replacement of the father as the main provider in favour of the government, to the arguments that human nature is hardwired and not a social construct. They didn’t predict anything to do with Game techniques though, which I have found very useful knowledge, even though I disagree with the means used to obtain it (i.e. the accumulated knowledge of thousands of men attempting to or succeeding in fornicating thousands of times.) Also the manosphere is a lot more detailed since there are posts dedicated to very specific issues, so i guess 70% is an exaggeration, but I mean the basic ideas were present in Ayatollah Mutahhari’s works.

      2. Roosh_V April 29, 2014 at 3:11 am

        If a minority of immigrants refuse to acclimate, and they informally or formally join forces with the country’s existing liberal progressives to ravish the traditional native culture, it won’t matter if the majority of immigrants, like yourself or your family, did try to acclimate.

        Currently there is a mechanism for progressiveism to encourage immigrants not to acclimate (“multiculturalism”). I see it every day in DC with announcements and corporate advertising in Spanish. For the sake of profits/money, corporations are enabling the local Hispanics to not acclimate, and there is no way I could even express this thought among a typical crowd of DC residents wouldn’t being called racist or xenophobic.

      3. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 3:32 am

        Ahh, okay, I see what you’re saying. You’re saying that the “American attitude” won’t survive through integrated immigrants because the progressive mechanism allowing for other cultures to thrive within America itself is so strong. Once white people decline, what will be left is an amalgamation of china-towns, londonistans and burritto stands all over the place. Is that basically what you’re saying?

        For the record, I’m not acclimating (on the ideological level), as the name says I’m a CONSERVATIVE Muslim guy. My complaint is that too many Muslims are adopting liberal ideals and actually losing an Islamic worldview. This is something I am trying to prevent. As it stands then, I’m actually for the progressive mechanism in this regard since I’m trying to prevent the ideological integration of Muslims with Western thought, and that is easier to do from within a londonistan.

      4. Roosh_V April 29, 2014 at 12:55 pm

        While I’m much more likely to share your conservative beliefs than Western ones, there will be no “American culture” if too many people like you settle within its borders (Belgium is a good example of the tipping point… I think they’re hitting around 8% of Muslim population and having significant problems).

        Instead, we’ll have the “world” culture I described in step 7, where even people who aren’t as conservative as you must respect your beliefs or be imprisoned/fined for it.

      5. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 1:08 pm

        Okay, so if I’m understanding you correctly, there will be some burrito stands and china towns, but for the most part most immigrants will melt into the pot. But you’re saying that the mixture in the pot will taste different than it did lets say 40 years ago, or even how it tastes now. 40 years ago the pot tasted like American nationalism where as 40 years from now the pot will taste like an asian/indian/latino/other mix of liberal progressivism?

        Also, what’s wrong with respecting other people’s beliefs that you disagree with? The mere existence of this forum is dependent on certain freedoms you have which many people would prefer you didn’t. I don’t see what’s so horrible about the future you are describing, and perhaps your article was just predicting a cultural decline rather than commenting on whether it is good or bad. But judging by the fact that you are against the liberal machine pushing the culture in this direction, I would say that you think this trend is bad. Why?

      6. Tom Dane April 29, 2014 at 4:51 pm

        I dont know if he says its horrible. But I guess for the culture being eradicated, it IS horrible. I would find it horrible if Danish culture disappeared and was replaced by Muslim culture. Muslims would think its ok. World would still turn tough.

      7. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 6:16 pm

        Hahaha well I’ve read the excerpts of Roosh’s “Don’t Bang Denmark” on here, and I’m not sure if the disappearance of Danish culture is such a bad thing 😛 . I’m teasing of course. I see your point.

      8. Tom Dane April 29, 2014 at 4:55 pm

        Obviously its bad. IMO. Lets take Sweden, one of the most advanced countries ever. Right now, because of liberalism , feminism and hipster culture, they are basically giving it away to every dirty greaser owning a kebab shop.
        Why is that bad ? its bad because you are giving away something with tremendous WORTH that it took thousands of years to build, to people who have absolutely NO WORTH and who did very little to deserve it.
        After the collapse, Dirty Kebab Greasers will take over and the country will just become another hole in the ground. Yea, why is that bad..

      9. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 6:34 pm

        Well Muslims have yet to take over a Western country, so I think it is an unfair prediction to say that it is going to become another hole in the ground. It could become better, it could become worse, or it could stay the same. Remember that the world’s oldest civilizations are in Muslim countries, they are certainly capable of running countries and have done so for successfully for millenia. Again, a little historical perspective. The ditch the Muslim world is in now is like 250 years old, other than that for the last 6000 years regions like Egypt, Iraq, Persia and Greater Syria have been at the height of civilization. It’s a little hubristic to think that Scandinavians, or even Europeans as a whole, are special snowflakes.

        Your hatred of Muslims is clearly unjustified intellectually, although I understand the emotions. I think you should chill out on the fanaticism, every person has worth, and Muslims as a civilization certainly have contributed more to world history than kebabs. Rather than lash out at Muslims for taking over your country, you should lash out at your own people for not procreating enough and leading to a demand for immigration.

      10. Tom Dane April 29, 2014 at 7:20 pm

        Im not agains muslims at all. im against the mentality of giving everything away, to basically scum…the muslims coming here are really scum, 90% of them

      11. Jon April 30, 2014 at 7:50 am

        The Persians, Egyptians, Greater Syrians and Iraqis were great civlizations BEFORE Islam came along. Quite frankly, things got worse for them after Islam appeared. I’ve done research on the “great caliphates” of the past. The majority of the great poets, inventors, innovators, and people who contributed to science, technology, the arts, and humanities were not ARAB or MUSLIM. They were usually minorities such as Armenians, Christians, Jews, etc.

      12. Jon May 1, 2014 at 12:08 am

        Remember that the world’s oldest civilizations are in Muslim countries…Your hatred of Muslims is clearly unjustified intellectually

        You sound like the black history revisionists now. Yes, and Africa was once dotted with great civilizations. No one cares about the age of a civilization in terms of justifying the worth of the inhabitants. Today, Muslim countries aren’t anywhere in the respectable range of almost anywhere in Europe in terms of civilization. There is zero evidence that predicts that Muslims will enhance places like Sweden. In fact, I can’t see how it needed any enhancing. It should have been left alone.

        After Rigby, 9/11, and the countless other terrorist acts, how can you say that animosity toward Muslims is intellectually unjustified? The only thing that is intellectually unjustified in these comments is ignoring both the recent, middle, and long bloody history of Muslim/European interaction. Our memories are not short.

      13. Black French May 1, 2014 at 12:28 am

        Why are you even debating? It’s useless ad counter-productive.
        I like Roosh but I know he is against immigration so you won’t get results.
        I am touring EE and I agree that both western metality and MASSIVE immigration ruin pussy paradises. 2 years ago Lithuanian women were throwing themselves at the few black guys who visited the place. Now, it’s like I don’t even exist. In a given country, 90% of the population should have the same identity so immigrants are well received.

      14. Roosh_V April 29, 2014 at 7:44 pm

        “what’s wrong with respecting other people’s beliefs that you disagree with?”

        It sounds like you are the type of problematic immigrant I’m talking about in this post. We have this document called the Constitution which protects free speech and allows me to disrespect your prophet as much as I want. Do you want to kill me for criticisms like your fellow believers have done in Scandinavia and Western Europe? I have no doubt that you don’t disagree with these killings because you place your religion about that of the political ideals of the country you immigrated to.

        The problem is your zealotry and desire to change the parts of Western culture (it’s idea of democracy… whatever is left of it anyway) to follow the Koran. For that I wish you ill will. If you really hate Western culture, maybe you should go back to where your ancestors came from.

      15. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 11:24 pm

        I didn’t expect an angry reaction to my question so I decided to think about your response. I think there was a misunderstanding, I confused respecting someone’s belief with the respecting the right to hold a belief. If I understand you correctly, you affirm the latter, but what you’re against is being forced to respect someone’s belief itself, a belief which you may think is stupid. This force is either through soft power means (i.e. societal shaming/taboo) or through hard power means (i.e. jail/fines). But you affirm a person’s constitutional right to believe whatever they want, you’re just trying to assert your right to call people out on their beliefs if you think those beliefs are wrong and/or stupid. If that is your point of view, I can understand where you’re coming from as an American. Did I understand you correctly?

        Also, for the record, I
        disagree with killing people in the West for blasphemy. The reason is because
        they are outside of the jurisdiction of an Islamic government, so how can we
        apply an Islamic penal code? I do defend the right of Muslim countries to
        execute blasphemers in their own borders and I don’t view that as a violation of human rights, but that is a different discussion altogether. You know, an interesting
        question to consider is why is it that there were death fatwas on people like
        Salman Rushdie but not on people like Bertrand Russell or Richard Dawkins? I
        mean from the point of view of blasphemy, blaspheming against Allah is way
        worse than blaspheming against the Prophet, and many Western
        philosophers/popular atheists today caused way more damage than guys like
        Rushdie. Something to think about. Perhaps it is wiser not to be so quick to
        judge that which you don’t understand.

        Also I was born and
        raised in Canada, I didn’t immigrate here as you said. I do consider myself a
        Canadian and am glad to be part of this country. That doesn’t mean I agree with
        everything this country purports to stand for, and yes, I do think that Muslims
        have something to contribute to this country both on the practical level as
        well as on the philosophical level. It’s up to us to portray that and argue for
        our position, and its up to other Canadians whether they want to accept or
        reject what we have to offer. Look, Muslims are like 2% of the population here,
        we’re not looking to dismantle democracy; rather in 50 years democracy will be
        the source of our strength when our numbers increase. In fact the founding
        fathers of the U.S. discussed whether they should add the condition of being
        Christian for being elected as president, lest a Muslim one day become the head
        of state (this was actually a concern of theirs). After much debate they
        decided not to add that condition because if the country ever elected a Muslim
        president, then one of two possibilities happened: either the majority of the
        people in the U.S. had become Muslim, in which case that would be their right,
        or the majority of people found a Muslim to be the most suitable candidate, in
        which case it would be silly to prevent him from being elected.

        While there are
        things I disagree with in Canadian culture, I am a product of a lot of it, I
        like a lot of it and there are aspects of it that are more in line with Islam
        than the Middle East. Think they recycle and compost back there? Obviously not,
        yet its clear in the texts that the Prophet Muhammad advocated these types of

        Rather than go back
        to the country of my ancestors, I would rather try to fix the society I was
        born in. If I go back to the Middle East, whose going to try to help the
        thousands of confused Muslim youth who need guidance, not to mention the
        non-Muslims who are having an existential crisis? I’d rather fight the good
        fight and devote myself to a higher cause than just living my life with as
        little inconvenience as possible. You have to understand, I seriously believe
        that Islam offers a valid solution to the ills of Western society, from
        feminism to consumerism to nihilism. Why wouldn’t and why shouldn’t I share
        that with people here?

        At the end of the day we’re both swimming against the mainstream and are trying to change society for what we perceive to be the better in our own ways. We have many similarities, the difference is in what we’re arguing should replace the status quo.

      16. Jon April 30, 2014 at 7:46 am

        I hope Mecca burns to the ground, you Muslim scum! Get out of the Western world! If you think your barbaric beliefs are superior and that the Islamic ways are better, then don’t come to the Western world! There are over 50 Muslim countries! They can’t all be shitholes! (oh wait, they basically are)…..

        Muslims will not win! It will only take another major terrorist attack against China and the US for the world’s masters to fuck you guys up! China, the US, Europe, and Russia will all one day obliterate the Islamic world. Mecca will burn to the ground!

        I can’t wait to spit on your damn Quran!

      17. Guest April 30, 2014 at 4:14 pm

        Now there’s a good little KoolAid drinker!
        Hint: Jews are far more pernicious and dangerous to western society than Muslims could ever dream of being.

      18. Jon May 5, 2014 at 11:20 am

        At least the Jews also create good things in terms of science, tech, arts, etc.

        What do the Muslims give to humanity? Deaths? Terror? Circumcized girls?

      19. Jon April 30, 2014 at 11:56 pm

        eh…this is a different “Jon”. I’m the guy who left the other posts above.

        Anyway, this:

        rather in 50 years democracy will be the source of our strength when our numbers increase.”

        This is the primary problem with immigration and democracy in a multicultural society. We import people who are politically hostile to us because they see themselves as “separate” from us or we see ourselves as separate from them (almost always both). So, immigration and general multicultural advocacy under the umbrella of liberalism becomes the equivalent of social violence that has the potential for physical violence (war) down the road. It is violence because the host population has no rational investment in their displacement by politically hostile groups. Such replacement is always, by definition, coercive; either through brainwashing (the school system and media) or political strong-arming. Liberals need to be held accountable in very meaningful ways for this violence.

      20. splooge April 30, 2014 at 5:37 am

        well technically if he went back;hed still wiuld have to deal with western culture through media politics popculture hell even when out shoppin fo clothes.
        western culure is really bad now. i dont blame migrants for not ibtegrating at all hell not intergratin is the american way if you think about it…not like the first settlers acted like native aboriginals. plus through colonialism an this american world policing,imerialistic wars,support of dictators an biw western media ruinin the culture morre like in colonial times it is hard to feel sorry for whites or westerners as a whole.
        wether u like it or not roosh u are never goin to considered 1 of them. youll always will be seen as a persian first n american 2nd. ni xan see you dont wabt to biased over your own people but no senswe in bein an uncle tom. no sense in suckin up to their pale fat asses.

      21. splooge April 30, 2014 at 4:42 pm

        followed the manosphere for 2yrs and have taken the red pill. Then you start realizing that your immigrant parents with their strict culture were right along.
        Keep in mind when westerners like yourself go overseas to find that “greener grass” like migrants here do. How much do we assimilate? We still bring our western vibe and seduce good women there. Before the western virus settles, you still have a chance to shame it out of them instead of encouraging them. Here our sluts have no shame.
        Over there they do. It western culture and feminism is the plague, we are the rats carrying them. As much as we like to think that we are nothin like our fellow countrymen, we have some habits that we dont realize thatll infect our new host nation. This culture has affect us all in some way.
        I wonder with all the going to EE, SA, and SEA how long will it take till we ruin there women?
        cause we dont really act like thais in thailand or think like russians in russia or brazilian in brazil. We still act like foreigners that just know the language…thats it.

      22. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 4:06 pm

        Sharia Law oppresses women and denys women the right to live as human beings! Utter disgraceful!

      23. l jess June 29, 2014 at 9:24 pm

        It would come to a point where it would be too late and no one could change it then – If you wish change in your favour then I suggest you and others like you find a way to heal the wounds between genders in the West and start having stable loving families now. – the future is in the hands of the people who want a future for their grandchildren – not in those who want for themselves now – destroying genders, relationships, trust , compassion, marriage.

      24. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:29 pm

        Who needs a bunch of bearded misogynist Islamists? Canada will not tolerate misogyny and hate speech against Israel. God chose Israel as the holy land, and reading many of the Top comments makes me sick to my stomach. I can’t believe men hate women and Jewish people for no reason.

      25. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 3:54 pm

        You know what, I can’t believe that one group of people would hate another group of people for no reason either. Because it’s not believable. Obviously people have reasons for their feelings, maybe if you got out of your own bubble you would realize that and genuinely try to understand points of view other than your own. And also accurately represent their points of view. Muslim men don’t hate women, they aren’t misogynists. If you want to understand Islam there’s a good place to start: it’s a 500 page book called the Qur’an. If you want to understand the manosphere try reading this:

      26. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 4:04 pm

        I’m not reading any blasphemous hate incited Arabic text!! Push ure misogynist beliefs elsewhere before I call the cops to investigate some of the comments! Canada will stand by Israel and the rights of women in Canada! The patriarchy must be abolished for global equality and for the safety of women!

      27. Tom Dane April 29, 2014 at 4:49 pm

        Hmm depressing. I think I prefer sharia law then. Feminism is even worse that sharia

      28. Lobotomite April 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm

        Who signs you JIDF check, Andrea?

      29. Jon May 1, 2014 at 12:12 am

        I can’t believe that one group of people would hate another group of people for no reason either

        There is never “no reason”. Come back when you mature into adulthood.

      30. Jon May 1, 2014 at 12:10 am

        Yes, Liberalism in Canada and everywhere else and conservative nationalism for me and Israel! Woo-hoo!

      31. Jon April 30, 2014 at 11:45 pm

        If you want to adapt you should become either a Christian or agnostic/atheist conservative. Personally, I find people who require god to inform them of functional behavior weak willed. and weak in character. Functional, conservative, family oriented behavior is in everyone’s political interest. Hedonistic behavior is the path to political dis-empowerment and slavery to politically stronger groups (more conservative, community oriented groups). However, because of its imperialistic doctrine and extremist drift in the hands of some groups, Islamic culture is incompatible with traditional American and European culture despite its conservative ideals.

      32. Guest April 29, 2014 at 4:44 pm

        I respect the way you argue your points, man, but I think you are wrong. Culture and race are inseparable. Third world nations are cesspools of filth and despair because they have cultures of laziness, corruption, and “just good enough” work ethic. You take these same people and put them in North America, and nothing changes. They become low-level laborers, welfare leeches, and common criminals.

        You cannot transfer your culture to another race, without completely tearing their beliefs down and rebuilding them from scratch. And most cultures are too proud to let that happen.

      33. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 6:11 pm

        I think considering history more might broaden your perspective. Every civilization has its ups and its downs. If you looked at Europe in the middle ages, it was a “cesspool of filth” while other civilizations like Islam and China were at their height. Yet the script was eventually flipped.

        Also it seems to me that you haven’t interacted much with Muslims in North America. If you’re talking about Europe, you might have a point, but in North America Muslims are the second most educated religious minority after Jews. We’re extremely educated and hard working people. Besides, there is honour in being a low-level laborer, it’s a job someone has to do and if that’s how a man feeds his family I have nothing but respect.

      34. Guest April 29, 2014 at 6:40 pm

        Some good points there. My perspective is more related to illegal Mexican immigrants in states like California, Texas, and Nevada. Most of them are not only uneducated, but they actively SHUN education, in favor of their lowbrow ways. Their machismo ethic dictates that they should be low-class, beer-swilling, low income workers, and for many that is all they strive to be.

        Personally I think the good, smart people who want to see change in their own countries should stay there and pressure their governments for change, instead of emigrating to Western nations to take advantage of our infrastructure.

        If we could disband the CIA and permanently imprison all its employees at Guantanamo Bay, I’d be all for that!

      35. Jon May 1, 2014 at 12:24 am

        If you looked at Europe in the middle ages, it was a “cesspool of filth”

        The Christianity that was responsible for the European perspective in the middle ages is not European in nature. It was and is Semitic in nature. A product of the middle east that was foisted upon us through violence. The “Dark Ages” are a prime example of the continuing legacy of that violence and the stunting effect it had on Europe’s intellectual evolution. Do you think Rome of Greece would have had a Dark Age if they had persisted down their path?

        Not likely. The “Dark Age” that persists in the minds of fundamentalist Muslims is also a Semitic worldview – from the same source. Consider that.

        North America Muslims are the second most educated religious minority after Jews.

        There is no way that Muslims are a more educated “religious minority” (your categories are getting a bit narrow to make your points) than are Hindus.

        there is honour in being a low-level laborer

        Semitic slave philosophy tripe.

        Also I think you are ignoring a massive imperial narrative in which third world nations are prevented from recovering because the CIA assassinates individuals who try to nationalize their oil’s wealth, they insert their agents and use propaganda to turn people against each

        Except when they don’t and the country was, is, and remains a shit-hole anyway.

        This is just another version of black people’s phantom “institutional racism” argument that they blame on their general inability to thrive as a group, despite all of the painfully obvious internal evidence for their own failings and external evidence for differing minority success. The liberal world’s mantra is that if people have trouble, the white man under the bed is the cause.

      36. J.M. June 2, 2014 at 1:47 pm

        Yeah, because the Northern barbarians (ancestors of mine by the way) were so peaceful and enlightened. Whether you like it or not almost all that is good in the West was a created or imbued in the Christian Weltanschauung. Now that this religion is dying in the West, the West is dying with it. Christianism might have semitic origins but it was “Europeanized” a long time ago.

      37. casinobox April 29, 2014 at 7:26 pm

        “Culture and race are inseparable.”

        What the hell are you talking about? Culture and tradition has existed for millennia. Race, in the modern version, started with European colonialism. Traditional societies had a very different conception of race. Even Rome had a spiritual view of race. If you actually believe that shit, you’re a fucking idiot.

      38. godhatesfatties May 4, 2014 at 4:02 am


      39. Jon April 30, 2014 at 11:36 pm

        There isn’t a minority culture in this country that has reproduced white culture in large neighborhoods that don’t have white residents, if white culture is what you define as “American”. If you define any culture as “American”, as leftists are want to do, then it is tough to semantically argue that new immigrants won’t be American. This, however, is just a semantic double bind and therefore it’s meaningless. Btw, traditional “American” culture is not leftist culture. Leftist culture is a product of post WWII America. American culture is conservative culture, and generally conservative culture how it is produced by white people although non-white immigrants can blend in to this culture in small numbers.

        Would you tell the Chinese: “don’t worry if Muslim people from the ME replace you, because then we’ll be Chinese and so it’s okay”.

        That’s what white people are routinely told to accept, and it is just as ridiculous. Your perspective amounts to telling us to hush while you slit out throats (demographically speaking).

        This is essentially a racial/political group issue even though it is disguised in various ways because race isn’t politically correct enough to address (except when damning white people) even though race is the very beating heart of ALL politics. No one really gives a shit about culture (black, white, ME, Asian, Mestizo) except for the completely naive. It’s really about race. Make no mistake.

        They didn’t predict anything to do with Game techniques though, which I have found very useful knowledge

        Game techniques are an adaptation to feminism, not a revolt against it. Useful, yes, but it is adaptation and not push-back/change.

      40. Joe Katzman March 30, 2015 at 12:38 pm

        It has been a while, but if you’re still out there, I’d be interested in the other key points they made. Can’t read Farsi…

        ” I mean the basic ideas were present in Ayatollah Mutahhari’s works. He and others also proposed many things which have yet to be proposed on the manosphere.”

      41. Joe Katzman May 23, 2015 at 1:26 pm

        Thanks very much for this. I’m reading it now… and embarrassed to admit that it is dismantling certain stereotypes. No wonder people were so sad when this guy was assassinated.

      42. Conservative Muslim Guy May 25, 2015 at 6:02 pm

        Glad to be of service. Let me know what you think of it overall when you’re done

      43. Joe Katzman May 26, 2015 at 5:29 pm

        Ok, read it. He’s setting out the Islamic view within a very modern frame, *without conceding that frame*. This may sound like a trivial takeaway – but if you really think about it, it’s a golden key with lessons that reach far beyond followers of Islam.

        I thought he got a bit lost in the “Divorce” section; it needed an editor. I think I understand what he was getting at, but it had a tremendous number of digressions. That was very different from almost every other section, and I’m wondering why that subject tied him up so much.

        The other weakness I saw is one that I’ve seen from several authors that follow different religions. “We have this great way do do X, people sometimes abuse it it in harmful ways, but that’s not what was intended so let’s move on.” Millennials have been brainwashed to adopt this as a reflex before their Leftist idols, but it’s a disconnect with Western cultures generally. The system needs to be engineered so it works despite human failings, or it needs to be changed.

        A more Eastern response might be that it’s the job of designated humans to set those sorts of things right, because a system is a machine, and machines will be limited or even harmful. Especially once you’ve “fixed” the system 100 times, and it looks like a Rube Goldberg contraption. The annoying Westerner will then ask about your selection & screening process for said humans. 🙂

        Finally, I would bet that several elements of his case for polygamy will be echoed in some quarters here in the West fairly soon. And by that, I mean echoed by non-Muslims.

      44. splooge April 30, 2014 at 5:46 am

        it sounds like a catch 22 in a way for a migrant. either assimilate to the degenerate culture or expand your community and create safe zones where u dont need to intigrate. either way the native culture is screwed unless they back traditional or pixk a few points from the migrants. while the migrants only chance of protectin themselves us really to undermine the host culture. its a rather messed up perdicament with no real winners.

      45. Guest April 30, 2014 at 4:10 pm

        The solution is that people should stay in their own fucking countries and then they wouldn’t need to undermine their generous host population.

    3. naz April 29, 2014 at 1:03 am

      Good post Conservative Muslim Guy. Yes, I admit that talking to the average 20 year old hot chick makes me wish al qaida would win already, but thats on a bad day lol.
      The only issue I have with what you said is your belief that islam is a superior system, and your blaming of US imperialism for your countries problems. Let me ask, if islam is so superior, why didnt it overcome the US imperialism through its superiority? Have you considered that maybe there are major flaws in your system that weaken it? For example, you mentioned the laws against usury. Believe it or not, loan giving is actually a powerful tool of economic growth which enables risk taking and entrepeneurism, thus making a stronger economy and nation.

      1. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 3:02 am

        I replied to this point already. See everything after I wrote after the sentence “There might be someone who replies to this point by pointing out the terrible situation in Muslim countries today.” In addition to what I said above, I could turn this question around and ask you if Islam is inferior then why is it that Europeans are scared that we are taking over their culture? I think Roosh’s whole article demonstrates the superiority, if just on an evolutionary level, of Islam.

        As for the economic laws of Islam, they encompass more than just usury, for example, in Islamic law there is no way a corporation would be considered a human being. If a corporation steals millions of dollars, you bet that the people responsible are gonna get their fingers cut off or serve some jail time. Also, usury provides short term benefits, but in the long term it destroys the economy. Every country that practises usury is forever raising its debt ceiling and further enslaving itself to the banks. There are other ways to gain the benefits of loans without usury. Also, to my knowledge the decline of Muslim nations had to do with intellectual stagnation as opposed to economic problems; it was the Europeans’ superior military technology that defeated the Muslims.

      2. naz April 29, 2014 at 5:30 am

        The reason europeans are being afraid of being replaced by muslims is due to birthrates mainly, not culture. Yes, there are converts to islam but thousands in a population of millions is negligible. So to answer my question, since I answered yours, why do you think the europeans developed superior military technology, while the muslim world stagnated? Im seriously curious, do you see any flaw with the islamic way, we here are very open about the flaws with the west.
        If you have the time, I suggest this video by Nial Ferguson about the killer apps of western civ.
        ps; my comment about al qaida was meant tongue in cheek, I know full well that they have no problems brutally killing their own fellow muslims.

      3. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 1:20 pm

        Okay to answer the question about flaws in Islamic civilization, I have to divide it into two sections. On the theoretical level, I believe Islam as a religion to be perfect in every way and a complete system of life; a blueprint of sorts. On the practical level, i believe that MUSLIMS themselves and Muslim society have dozens upon dozens upon dozens of faults, and it doesn’t take a genius to see that. My view is that the problems in the Muslim world arise from our neglecting the guidance of Islam as a religion, which is perfect. If we were able to implement Islam properly and completely, then we would solve our civilizations’ problems. The more we are able to approximate the blueprints given to us by Allah, the better our situation will become.

        As far as the question of why Europeans developed superior technology while the Muslims lagged behind; that is a complex historical issue which I haven’t done enough research into. The answer is not simple and the answer encompasses philosophical reasons like the writing of the New Organon by Francis Bacon to economic reasons like the desire to gain access to Indian and Chinese goods directly as opposed to through the silk road, to the internal conflicts within the Muslim world. The decline of any civilization and the rise of another is not a 1 + 1 = 2 issue, it’s typically complex. Remember though, that many times in history an inferior civilization defeated a superior one; a key example are the Mongols who defeated china, persia, india and russia while being illiterate savages. Military superiority =/= philosophical superiority.

        Also birthrates are part of culture was my point. It is not in the European culture to undergo the effort and self-sacrifice or raising children; they would rather enjoy hedonistic pleasures for themselves and die alone, miserable, and likely in the future through euthanasia since that would minimize their pain (hence continuing the hedonism.) This was Roosh’s point about why a hedonistic culture ultimately shoots itself in the foot.

      4. Jon May 3, 2014 at 7:48 am

        You still haven’t answered his question. If Islam is superior, then why did Europe STILL kick Islamic ass? The West is hedonisitic and perhaps declining, but there aren’t millions of Westerners dying to move to Muslim countries (or anywhere else). Objectively, East Asians and Westerners are the only people who’ve managed to create advanced, modern civilizations. They will most likely dictate world affairs, economics, and politics for the next 100 years. It will only take one more major terrorist attack for them to consider the Islamic world its enemy. It won’t matter that Al Queda is only 1% of Muslims. The Muslim world can expect to fight the US, Europe, Russia, China, and Japan, and I want to see you argue the “superiority” of Islam then.

        Enjoy your future obliteration from the face of the planet!

      5. Ilias September 6, 2015 at 3:33 am

        You are loosing your time my brother.

        Just all know guys that you may go as far as you wish in your delirium, insult us, despise us or genocide us, we will not abandon our religion because we fear our Lord.

        I think humility is always a good thing and we can feel the darkness of your hearts. I am sad for you.

      6. Fuck that! April 29, 2014 at 8:30 am

        Quote: “I admit that talking to the average 20 year old hot chick makes me wish al qaida would win already, but thats on a bad day lol.”

        Almost busted a gut in laughter upon reading this. I hear ya, man.

    4. Samseau April 29, 2014 at 5:36 pm

      “Muslims clearly have a far superior system which leads to individual happiness and social solidarity;”

      Hahaha. Good one. Certainly for a conservative Muslim you haven’t done much historical reading of your religion.

      As soon as Islamic armies were unable to conquer more lands, they turned on each other. Islam has never been a path for happiness.

      1. Conservative Muslim Guy April 29, 2014 at 6:46 pm

        You know, when I take the time to read a guy who posts something several paragraphs long, I think it is beneficial to take the time to actually understand what he’s saying instead of just scoffing because you disagree with a minor point. Also, just to let you know, I am well aware of the infighting that happened in the Islamic world, and they started infighting long before they were “unable to conquer more lands.” The serious infighting between Muslims started when the Caliphate of Ali (as) was challenged by Aisha/Talha/Zubayr and then Mu’awiya. After the Ummayids took over the Islamic empire expanded for almost a hundred years before the Abbasids overthrew them, and it had nothing to do with an inability to conquer more lands, it had to do with the death of Hussayn son of Ali as well as the injustices of the Ummayids.

        Aristotle said ‘It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.’ I would suggest breaking out of your own bubble and seriously trying to understand other people’s point of view. The fact that you are saying that Islam has never been a path for happiness to me shows that you have no idea what Islam says. The science of tasawwuf and the philosophy of law are entire fields dedicated to ensuring happiness on the personal level and at the social level. Whether Islam as a theory works or not is up to you to decide, but whether a theory is correct is an entirely separate question from historical realities. You have to study each in its own framework and not judge Islam as a religion by what historically happened in Islamic civilizations, which may or may not have been in agreement with Islam the religion.

      2. Samseau April 29, 2014 at 7:44 pm

        “Whether Islam as a theory works or not is up to you to decide, but whether a theory is correct is an entirely separate question from historical realities.”

        False. “Ye shall know them by their fruits.”

        Christian civilizations = amazing, cultured, accomplished, extreme prosperity only to collapse in decadence when people turn away from God.

        Islamic civilizations = violent, repressive, hatred towards accomplishments, collapses when the Islamic hordes feel they don’t get what they deserve and start to butcher one another.

        I think I know which one to choose.

    5. Jon April 30, 2014 at 11:19 pm

      Second of all, you made it seem like Muslims SHOULD integrate into
      mainstream American culture, as you and your parents have. My question
      to you is why?

      Because otherwise there will be war.

      if Muslims become a very large minority/a majority and we become more aggressive in our demands for state-enforced regulations that marginalize the native population

      This is already a problem in smaller countries. The eventual result is war. Coming to another country, even if your country is bombed, implies a social contract of integration whether you or I think the integrated to culture is inferior or not.

      God Willing, this will not happen to Muslims and I firmly believe that Muslims have the intellectual tools and capacity to withstand the overwhelming force of mainstream culture.

      The only place for Islam is in the Mideast. the problem isn’t with Muslim conservatism, but the fact that that conservatism is wrapped in imperialistic/supremacist ideology and a Hebrew god. Many of us come from families who fought in the crusades.

      Islam was great for well over a thousand years

      It wasn’t and isn’t great for India. That shit-hole rogue state known as Pakistan is the result of India’s inability to control Islam.

      I think it is rather a simplistic view that many right wingers tend to have of Muslims to think of them bearded jihadists.

      Dude, bombings and larger terrorist plots aside, Muslims gave up the right to call the right’s view “simplistic” after soldier Rigby was beheaded with a meat cleaver in the middle of London. If Europeans have any genetic impulse toward tradition, at all, it’s as a warrior culture and, therefore, the beheading of a soldier in the middle of the world’s capital is the ultimate primal call to that impulse. No appeals to take a rational (ie:invariably tolerant according to the left) view of Islam and Islamic immigrants will have any effect after that. It was the ultimate wake up call.

  32. Bullshit Caller April 28, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    Way out of your league with this comical article. You’re no intellectual or academic and it shows. Multiculturalism has no proven efficacy? Haven’t you been to Canada? Funny you failed to mention that place even once. That’s because it negates your central thesis being a country that has successfully absorbed immigrants from around the world while being safe, stable, and prosperous. You find deep racial antagonism there. You also fail to realize just how far science has gone and how much further it can go. From stem cells to cloning, the potential for humans to live longer, reproduce and survive sustainably is becoming better and better. Weak souls afraid of competition will always find something or someone to complain about. You are no exception.

    1. research April 28, 2014 at 5:39 pm

      Canada accepted rich Asians that had 1 million dollars to invest. Many took advantage of it. Canada just recently stopped that program and China is pissed. They didn’t accept Somalian refugees like Minnesota did. Good luck with your studies.

      1. Bullshit Caller April 28, 2014 at 8:59 pm

        Gtfoh. You don’t know shit about Canada. Oh, the Asians that went to Vancouver after the British returned Hong Kong to the mainland? That’s nothing man. I’m talking about major population centers like Toronto and Montreal, and even smaller cities like Winnipeg. Boatloads of immigrants from the Caribbean and Sub-Saharan Africa. Ontario province, where Toronto is located, has the best public schools in the English-speaking world. Get your facts straight cherry picking racist.

      2. TheWastelander April 29, 2014 at 12:21 pm

        Canada fucking sucks. Deal with it.

      3. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:55 pm

        Canada has a better middle class with more opportunities for women. Maybe you are jealous or misogynist?

      4. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:58 pm

        Misogynists and racists will always blame a minority group for their shortcomings. I don’t have to worry as I am going to be promoted as a Manager of a regional branch in one of the Top 5 financial institutions in downtown Toronto, and I havent reached my 27th birthday yet!

        Women should be protected from any hate speech, and hate speech should not be tolerated in any form.

      5. Lobotomite April 29, 2014 at 6:23 pm


        Really? Just women?

      6. wtf April 29, 2014 at 5:37 am

        That’s complete nonsense. Canada is the most multicultural country in the world, with plenty of Somalians actually. K’Naan the Grammy winning artist is Somalian and immigrated to Toronto at the age of 12. Toronto has one of the largest Somali communities in the world. The Chinese that went to Vancouver in 2000 has nothing to do with Canada’s multicultural success, which existed well before and after that event. And what’s wrong with Minnesota? It’s one of the leading US states for quality of life, the center of Scandinavian culture in the US. Easily in the top three for healthiest states and most educated, quite important in an otherwise unhealthy and ignorant country that produces the likes of “men” like Roosh and yourself. So much for research.

      7. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 4:01 pm

        Toronto is one of the most multicultural cities in the world! Why do you hate successful immigrants? Are yu a mentally retared racist and closet anti-Semite?

        Women in Toronto are allowed more opportunities than oppressed nations, and Canada has one of the best growing economies in the world!

        My yearly income is $74k after taxes, and if you work hard, accept that women are equal and seek psychiatric care, you will land a job soon which will mean one less male welfare leech in Canada!

      1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:53 pm

        Hate speech should not be tolerated. Hate speech became a big tragedy in the 1940s when a crazy misogynist white German named Adolf Hitler gassed over 6 million Jews in extermination camps across Europe. Never again!

      2. Lobotomite April 29, 2014 at 6:24 pm


      3. Exfernal May 5, 2014 at 12:23 pm

        You might consider other victims of Nazi “cleansing of the Aryan race” besides the Jews. Various groups of Slavs, Gypsies, Germans classified as “life unworthy of life”, Catholic clergy, political dissidents… taken together not as numerous as Jews, but still counted in millions.

        A crazy misogynist? Heh… Likely crazy, but why a misogynist? I mean in comparison to his contemporary allies and opponents – Mussolini, Hirohito, Stalin, FDR/Truman, Churchill and others of lesser significance.

    2. multiculturalizm werks!1!!!1!1 May 22, 2015 at 10:14 am

      Right… Because the prosperity and strength of Canada didn’t come from the Anglo/Franco-Canadians who lived in Canada for hundreds of years. Of course Canada has always had immigration but never to the likes of what is seen today. Modern multiculturalism and immigration are only a relatively new concept in Canadian culture and have vastly changed the landscape responsible for Canada’s success. The elimination of racial guidelines for immigration only occurred recently in 1962 by Ellen Fairclough (the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration at the time). Pierre Trudeau then finalized the direction towards multiculturalism by stating that Canada would openly adopt policies favoring multiculturalism in 1971 (which was then later brought to life in 1976). As time continued there has been a greater shift to more “progressive” and open immigration policies.

      To claim that a recent political change (multiculturalism) is responsible for creating prosperity in Canada when it has only shortly existed for 2 generations of Canadians is ludicrous. Especially when examining trends in Canadian GDP will argue the opposite of multiculturalism being effective for Canada. Attached to this post are graphs of birth rates in Canada (Roosh mentioned birth rates) and GDP growth as an annual percentage (with a rough line of best fit to illustrate a point). You’ll find that both those statistics are trending in decline. This is consistent with Roosh’s claim that Canada is a culture in decline (even though he keeps economics separate in his analysis).

      Lastly, the attack for the credibility of this “comical” article by calling Roosh “no intellectual or academic” and the final attack in your comment that Roosh is a “weak soul afraid of competition” was absolutely unnecessary and is more telling of you than it is of Roosh. Roosh has made a well sourced, accurate, complete, and alarming observation about the decline of western civilization. Of course strong men will still be able to prosper regardless of the society around them. But to turn a blind eye to the growing hardships of the fellow men around you is quite simply unjust.

  33. Vortex April 28, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    Some of the most conservative countries in the world like Iran (sharia law), several Arab states, Japan etc. have birthrates below replacement level. You are purpously omitting this information in your article to create a false narrative.

    1. Guest April 28, 2014 at 7:17 pm

      The Great Economic Raping of 2001-present may have a lot more to do with that than anything else. People tend to have less babies when their economic future looks uncertain, or bleak.

      The banksters put their plans to asscock the world economy into overdrive, using the sheep’s compliance in the aftermath of 911 as their leverage.

      1. Vortex April 28, 2014 at 8:20 pm

        There is actually the opposite correlation between birthrates and wealth. People have the most children in places which are the poorest and in which the infant mortality and the overall mortality is the highest. With the rise of the standart of living and the decrease of infant mortality the birthrates drop too.

      2. someguy April 29, 2014 at 7:07 pm

        Dude, the data goes against everything you’re saying. Rich countries have much lower birth rates. It’s the world’s poor that fuck and procreate like crazy.

      3. Guest April 29, 2014 at 7:31 pm

        I presented my data out of context. What I meant was that *in first world developed countries* the birth rate tends to plummet when the economic future looks bleak.

        The lowlife losers who leech off of the taxpayer don’t give a shit what the economy is doing. They will pump out their piglets no matter what, because they know you and I will be forced to pay for that. So yeah, they tend to sway the statistics.

        What I was referring to was educated, middle class, salary earners who actually prepare for parenthood.

        For example, in the USA, Baby Boomers were born out of the prosperity and optimism of the post war years. Since the seventies and eighties, it’s been obvious our country is going to shit, and we’ve seen a corresponding decline in birth rates among educated whites.

      4. someguy April 29, 2014 at 7:41 pm

        The biggest factor in determining birth rates is usually the education of women and how religious the people are. The US runs the advantage of being the most religious country developed country (which is, IMO, due to the freedom of religion protected by the First Amendment). If a country has too many children, it’s difficult to sustain the same standard of living. If a country doesn’t have enough children, the country depopulates. I do agree that economic factors play a key role in determining the replacement rate for a developed country though.

        One thing we have to remember is that not everyone needs to have 2-3 children in order to repopulate the country. If you have half the country have 4 children while the 10% of the country has one child and the rest have none, you’re well above replacement rate. It’s actually probably better to be in the latter scenario because you’ve got a barbell. It’s more robust to be heavier on both extremes to be completely in the middle.

    2. Slashfund April 28, 2014 at 7:31 pm

      Iran suffered a Marxist revolution and traditional Japan was destroyed in WWII. Still, these countries know what it’s like to hit rock bottom, so will half-heatedly endure after the ashes of the West are cold

      1. Vortex April 28, 2014 at 8:06 pm

        Iran is under Sharia Law since 1979. If that’s not conservative, then I don’t know what is. Japan is also a conservative traditionalist country where women who marry leave the workforce to stay home, yet it has some of the lowest birthrates in the world. This article is just cherrypicking facts to try to explain a phenomena that isn’t even a western one, but more of a global one.

      2. J.M. April 30, 2014 at 10:00 am

        Japan traditional!!!! what a joke, traditional Japan was destroyed after WWII, their men emasculated, their patriarchy just a paper tiger where women are the ones that rule the house and increasingly the society. Do you think traditional women greatest goals in life are to have a Gucci handbag,taste foreign dick and have multiple abortions? Since when traditional men greatest hobbies are to lock themselves in their houses and fantasize about sex with anime characters?

  34. Guest April 28, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    In short, white countries are totally fuxored if they don’t pull their collective heads from their asses and adopt reactionary right wing ideology.

    Many voices in the manosphere have been calling attention to this dire situation for years, only to be callously dismissed as “neo nazis” by some (cough cough) prominent bloggers. I guess when the race replacement plan starts effecting brown nations, then it’s okay to openly discuss it without being called a racist?

    Anyway, great article. It gets more to the heart of the big picture we are dealing with. Next step is to identify the WHO and the HOW of it all…but if you ever do that you’ll be painting an even bigger target on your back.

    1. Anon April 30, 2014 at 2:01 pm

      So if we point out that second wave feminism was created and propagated by a Jew and that Marxism was created and propagated by a Jew we will get in trouble?

      Both of those political ideologies have been pretty successful at ravaging traditional Christian based European culture.

  35. skitz April 28, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    damn roosh went IN on this one

  36. Robert April 28, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    I haven’t time to read all the excellent comments tonight, as I usually would, so forgive me if what I say duplicates an earlier comment. A good way to increase the native birthrate is to give the natives something to live and hope for. People who are losing hope aren’t eager to start families. You do that by decreasing the tax burden and anti-white-gentile racial laws, and by enforcing the immigration laws. The Obama cabal is writing illegal immigrants a blank check while raising taxes and thus making support of the interlopers compulsory. It would also help to get rid of all feminist-backed laws mandating discrimination against men.

  37. Stephanie Shepard April 28, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    I have seen population graphs showing our current birth rate in the U.S. is lower than during the Great Depression. The Millennial generation birth rate tapers off in the second wave. Most of the Millennial birth rates were in the 1980s. I have seen this is already having an effect. on the student loan bubble. The bubble is dependent on exponential growth through increased enrollment. Harvard applications are down 2% and Dartmouth applications are down 14%.

  38. Tom Dane April 28, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    So in short, feminism is killing our countries..because it has learned women that reproduction is not important.

    1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:51 pm

      Feminism is progress. Canada has a growing economy, and cities in Canada are growing and this is because we as Canadians have learned to allow women to have access to equal opportunities!

      College and university are the only way to grow careers in the globalized economy. Men have to evolve, man up, and rise to the challenges.

      1. Tom Dane April 29, 2014 at 4:41 pm

        ur crazy. Women are the ones giving birth. When they enter the workforce, they dont have enough children to renew whatever race they belong to. That’s why every single society where feminism is dominant, is dying. And taken over by immigrants.
        This is not fiction ,but facts.

      2. casinobox April 29, 2014 at 6:32 pm

        What are you gonna do? Take up the opposite view and start having everyone procreate like crazy? We already live in a world where there are too many people and the stress being placed on food, natural resources, water resources, etc. cannot be sustained. We’ve completely destroyed our environment and environmental degradation is something whose costs we really don’t understand and we’ve certainly underestimated. Trying to go back to a world that existed 400 years ago isn’t gonna happen.

  39. Nguyen Improved April 29, 2014 at 12:09 am

    This article should be mandatory reading for every Westener. I can’t believe writing of such quality is restricted to the pua realm.. GREAT WORK DARIUSH

    1. dont read much eh April 30, 2014 at 4:44 am

      You don’t read much besides pua blogs, do you?

  40. Marcio April 29, 2014 at 1:16 am

    “Cultural decline begins in earnest when the natives feel shame or guilt for who they are, their history, their way of life, and where their ancestors came from.”

    Very good analysis. And I’d say that Brazil is way a head to a collapse than you think. Because the Collapse started decades ago.

    Because one of the reasons Brazil has not developed as it should (it was richer than the US for a little while during the Empire, and it’s was in a reasonable path to progress in the mid 20th century) it’s because the Left was VERY succesful in doing what you describe above: making Brazilians ashamed of who they were, of their history and of their ancestors.

    Until the middle of the 20th century Brazilians used to be very proud of being a western country but with a mixed race population. Everyone was proud of their basically Iberian culture with a mix of indigenous and african blood. Brazilians saw themselves as way ahead of the US and other countries for being able to create a multi-racial country but with strong western values. Note that I’m not talking about silly multiculturalism stuff – the old Brazilian way saw the majority of black and indigenous people fully integrated in the main Brazilian culture – which was basically European which some indian and black “spice”.

    The “Bandeirantes” – 17th century frontier pioneers from the southeast – were considered national heroes (and most Bandeirantes were either white or mixed-race with indians). Nowadays they are considered blood-thirsty criminals (nevermind that they are the only reason for Brazil’s gigantic continental size and the reason we don’t speak Spanish. They kicked the hispanics out).

    Nowadays everyone is ashamed of our iberian roots (Portugal colonization is often blamed for our problems) and we are only allowed to celebrate our indian or black roots (again, nevermind that Brazilian culture is mostly Portuguese and European, beginning with our national Language, Portuguese).

    Our race melting pot, where blacks and indians didn’t develop a different culture (there is no such a thing as a “black accent”in Brazil, for example) is considered the zenith of racism. The US, where blacks have a totally different culture and mixed-race people have to deny their white side (like Obama), is considered the example to follow.

    In the South, the whites that have roots in countries other than Portugal are allowed to be proud of their “immigrant roots” (for example, German and Ukranian immigrants) while the majority of the Brazilian white population is told that they should be ashamed of themselves for being part Portuguese. Nevermind that most Black and Indians Brazilians are, genetically, more Portuguese than black or indigenous too…

    So, if you wanto to have a pretty good idea of how marxism and left academics can destroy the values and identity of a nation, look no further than my homecountry of Brazil.

    Poor Emperor Dom Pedro II must be having nightmares in his grave…

    1. J.M. April 30, 2014 at 9:09 am

      I understand what you say, the problem with Brazil is that it never really integrated a significant portion of its Black population (Makumba being the religion of the masses in Brazil, not Catholicism), hence the Left only took advantage of this scenario. The rot was there, just needed some stimulus so to speak…

  41. Positive future? April 29, 2014 at 5:40 am

    An insightful article but what about the possible reversal of some of these trends. The manosphere is being more and more mainstream, and even if men aren’t reading RoK or such themselves the ideas are very much spreading. Do you see this cultural move as somewhat analogous to the temperance movement leading to prohibition, only to have prohibition eventually repealed?

  42. Pablito April 29, 2014 at 6:12 am

    Perhaps its time you focused on the salvation of mexican americans and their political capital in the US instead of over indulging in a need to preserve white people.

    I also think you need to travel more extensively in the US. Religion is far from vanquished in the South and the West.

    As liberals themselves concede they need to do more to avoid a two orthodoxy america emerging;

    Need I remind you that although you may be considered “white” by US census its a strange step to assume this put you under onus to take up the “white man’s burden”.

    You live in a big country. I’ve always believed whatever your bag you will always find like minded folk in the great ol’ US of A.

  43. Chokmah April 29, 2014 at 6:41 am

    shaming of men for having direct sexual interest in attractive and fertile women; criminalization of normal male behavior by redefining some instances of consensual sex as rape[9]

    It’s important to acknowledge how this traps a lot of guys into vicious co-dependent cycles of emotional and psychological abuse and self-denial, by appealing to their white knight instincts, magnified by the utter idealization of femininity (byproduct of feminine shaming).

    n addition, Russia has also shown no tolerance to homosexual or progressive groups,[62] stunting their negative effects upon the culture.

    They’ve made an important step. But it’s also necessary a crackdown on feminism on a societal level, not just on femen groups. What if we send this article to the Kremlin/Putin for fresh ideas how to increase their total birth rate?

  44. Syahmi Syahiran April 29, 2014 at 7:56 am

    Muslims will be fought if they propose a law that is opposed to majority.Not all sharia law are as extreme that you will said.Most sharia laws are for the good , such as halal foods are for good , quality foods.Sharia- style slaughter is humane and many good things that sharia law bring

    1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:49 pm

      Christians! Beware of Sharia Law! Look at London and how the radical Islamists oppress women in England!

      1. Guest April 29, 2014 at 4:35 pm

        You racist little twat! I’m reporting you to the Toronto Racism and Hate Criminal Investigation Unit!

      2. Nevsky April 29, 2014 at 6:57 pm

        Your trolling is decent but you need to be more consistent. Feminism and the Counter-Jihad rarely align or mesh together. Instead, keep reciting how Islam is a Religion of Peace (TM).

  45. Fuck that! April 29, 2014 at 8:26 am

    Quote: “A nation that suffers from a cultural collapse can still be economically productive and have a working government”

    My take: Generally speaking cultural collapse is a direct result of economic prosperity.

  46. Liberals Are Trash April 29, 2014 at 8:29 am

    There were a lot of mistakes in this article that no one seemed to bring up.
    1. The US never had a “culture” (at least not in the sense that he means and longs for)
    2. Religion isn’t going to help the US (84% religious vs. 15% in the Czech Republic – Czech Republic is significantly better than the US for living conditions (bang for your buck), women, food culture/quality and nearly anything else you can imagine besides entertainment or getting a high paying job). We see Roosh oversimplifying a problem with 30+ relevant factors trying to give it one simple explanation. Does Roosh now want to argue that American women are better than Czech women, including behaviorally? That would be a hilarious claim to try to back up.
    3. Every valid point in the article about the US is a political one and makes no sense to blame on anything else.
    4. The US was always a country of immigrants. Why does he think this just recently changed? It’s also legally much harder to move to the US from Europe than it was 15 years ago and less people are doing so. Another example of how this theory makes no sense factually or logically.
    5. The apparent takeaway from this post is “have more kids societally” which we can hardly influence on a personal level and which Roosh does nothing to impact himself. I suppose the other takeaway is be a blue pill Christian who has no concept of what a burden of proof is.
    6. I don’t understand the commenters praising the “citations” which have links to Jezebel, NYT and Return of Kings. There aren’t any new studies or things we didn’t already know in any of those links. Giving a link that “proves religious people behave better in school” from 2003 is very very weak evidence for his argument. The standards of scrutiny on this page are apparently very low.

    1. The end is near April 29, 2014 at 8:36 am

      Roosh is basically talking about the downfall of the west. Big deal. When was American “culture” great anyway? When you could live the American dream, that was really it. Everything else was and will always be bullshit. He has this obsession with certain factors that don’t have much to do with it I’d say. It’s not really a big deal anyway. Why do these people care so much about America? Without the opportunity to make a shitload of money here there is no reason to be here. I concluded America was overrated a long time ago; the defenders of America are usually baby boomers. The only problem with living in many other countries is low wages/high taxes; other than that it is basically a no-brainer.

      1. Guest April 29, 2014 at 4:34 pm

        Hey dipshit: Some of us have ancestry that goes back to the 1600s in this country, and it is our home. We have every right to care about it, moron.

      2. Smart Alex May 1, 2014 at 6:00 pm

        So you’re OK with exploiting the opportunities in America others have created for you, but have no interest in contributing. So in other words youre a fucking leech.

    2. Donald Sterling April 29, 2014 at 2:36 pm

      Roosh’s advice in response to a question is very
      funny: What should you do if you are a male under 35 and living in the
      US? “Leave and move to a more traditional country.” And do what for
      work; what sustainable type of work… ah I guess we could write great
      books like Bang ____… pretty cool stuff. Sounds like advice that will
      apply to less than 5% of the male population. We’ve heard him talking
      about how great Ukraine is. Let’s see him go to the east and keep saying
      that. Anyways there are plenty of people who take his advice and seem
      pretty unhappy and out of their element, and it’s definitely not a
      solution for everyone. Poker is a risky proposition to rely on to feed
      your kids; not exactly ideal. So you get all of these fairy tale stories
      from Roosh, but let’s see him get a normal job in any of these places
      and be happy to make 1,000 bucks a month or whatever. $650 a month in
      Poland or $500 a month in Ukraine; you choose. That’s what these idiots
      don’t seem to understand; that was the one advantage the US had/has. You
      go to these places AFTER you have a lot of money; don’t just show up
      expecting a great life. I worked in various countries in eastern Europe
      and tried to find work. I challenge anyone to get a real job there,
      especially if they don’t speak the language at a fairly high level.
      These morons don’t realize that these places are not like the US; they
      tend to look after their own first and foremost and I don’t blame them.

      1. Anonymous April 30, 2014 at 3:45 am

        FYI: According to the CIA, GDP per capita in Poland is about $22,000, in Ukraine it’s about $7,000 and dropping as the country is nearing bankruptcy. So there is no comparison between the two countries. Don’t confuse countries in Eastern Europe like Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, Bulgaria (all Eastern Orthodox in the Byzantine strong-man rule tradition) with countries in Central Europe like Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary or Austria
        (all of them imbued with Catholic and Protestant traditions)

    3. Samseau April 29, 2014 at 5:44 pm

      Literally everything you said was wrong. So bad, so sad.

      1. False, read some history by Tocqueville
      2. Czech would be doomed without the religious USA protecting their asses for the past 50 years
      3. He’s not blaming anyone else
      4. The quality of the immigrants matter; immigrants used to come from Europe and had similar racial, religious, and cultural compositions. Today’s immigrants have almost nothing in common with their host countries.
      5. The takeaway is that liberalism is a disease which kills. Not sure how you cannot see that.
      6. The citations were mostly from academic institution; I checked every one of them. The ones from RoK or Roosh’s blog were just there for further reading, and these links contained more links to other academic research, not that academic research matters.

      If you think academic research is important, than why is America sliding into bankruptcy and ruin despite being ruled by these incredible academic minds?

      Don’t be a fool. Think for yourself.

      1. Paine April 29, 2014 at 6:33 pm

        I am from the Czech Republic.

        It made no sense what you just said. The US has not protected the Czechs, only betrayed us a couple of times.

      2. Samseau April 29, 2014 at 7:46 pm

        Do you not understand without the US armies you would have been food for the Russian/German armies back in WW2?

        And those same armies have been keeping you safe for nearly 80 years? Once America goes bankrupt and can no longer afford to protect Europe, we’ll see how great the Czech culture is.

      3. Paine April 30, 2014 at 5:30 am

        The US army did not liberate the Czechs, only the most western 30 miles, it was the Soviet Union that liberated the Czechs.

        The Czech Republic (Czechoslovakia back then) was the first country the Germans invaded even before the war officially started, the UK could have prevented it together with France but they betrayed and let the Germans move in.

        In the year 48 there was a communist coup, the US did not prevent that.
        In the year 68 the Soviet Army moved in after mass protests and the US did not try to prevent that either.

        I have never stated the Czech culture is great, I would go as far as saying it is NOT, however, the US has never protected the Czech Republic. In fact you will find more pro-Russians than pro-Americans in the Czech Republic these days.

      4. Liberals are Trash April 30, 2014 at 12:02 am

        Yeah I’m not surprised that the level of argumentation here is very low. Cool to see you sneak in reductio ad absurdum. Haven’t seen that fallacy in a while. We start off with 1) an empty appeal to authority without making any claims. Logical fail. 2) Ignoring every claim about the Czech Republic in order to praise the US. Logical fallacy: red herring. 3 and 4 ignore the points completely so I can’t even reply (red herring). The claim that it’s easier for Europeans to come here now is clearly a false one. Why you choose to argue against that is more related to your desire to be a keyboard jockey and win an internet argument than to be objective. 5) Liberalism was discussed already in point 3. Not sure how you cannot see that. 6) is very funny and surprisingly common on ROK and Roosh’s page. In an attempt to demean “academia” you demean all legitimate scientific papers as well. I guess judging by your logic you might not be aware that these two things are not the same. Love to see all of the anti-science guys on here. Very funny stuff. Keep up the good work Mr. Blue Pill Religious Prideful (only for the weak and unintelligent) American. EBT, usury debt slavery, GMO, and crony capitalism 4 life

    4. jpz70 May 4, 2014 at 3:12 pm

      Great to read your response, I find the post disappointing.

      How is Russia extremely low for “cultural collapse” where all predictions on it’s future demographics indicate a demographic catastrophe, with a very low percentage of the population of working age, a birth rate far below the replacement level, and an over-all predicted decline of 30% or more over the next several generations?

  47. crazybuttrue April 29, 2014 at 9:06 am

    The dysfunction goes deeper. Don’t blame me, I’m in my forties and haven’t spent one second of my life so much as talking to a female. Not even sure they really exist. Wonder if I’m the only one. There’s no conceivable way to fix it as far as I can tell. All the bars are wienerfests with deafening music.

    1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      Maybe it’s you? When I choose a date I expect a MAN who knows how to respect an independent woman and who is not afraid to go on his feminine side and do reverse roleplay!

      I don’t even need a man’s income, and I am independent and beautiful than ever.

      1. Guest April 29, 2014 at 4:31 pm

        That was some pretty skillful trolling…very believable, considering how insane today’s young women are. But you blew your cover with the whole “reverse roleplay” thing, that’s just way too over the top man!!! LOL! Good times…

      2. Black French May 1, 2014 at 1:26 am

        Haha. yeah. It’s definitely a dude

  48. pepini April 29, 2014 at 11:17 am

    If you go political on this I give you a 5 years life expectancy.

    1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:45 pm

      He would be jailed in Canada for spreading hate speech and it serves him right along with the other misogynist posters! Better watch what you say, the forum is monitored and if anyone finds their name or religious affiliation slandered, measures will be taken to find the tortfeasors and alleged hate mongers!

      Freedom of speech gives yu no right to spread bigotry and hatred in oppressing women and the Jewish people!

      1. Prince Valiant May 8, 2014 at 1:54 am

        This is not to reply but to point out – this is what a JIDF or ADL paid troll looks like. The misogyny angle could well be a cover.

  49. 20th Level April 29, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    I get what you are trying to say Roosh. Just understand that you are walking a VERY fine line here.

    But be that as it may you should undetstand that any solution that doesn’t account for human nature and the propensity for hatred and violence toward those that are different from them is as flawed as communism.

    Communism is flawed because it fails to account for the fact that the cream of a given population will ALWAYS rise to the top. It is human nature, always has been always wii be.

    So knowing that human nature is what it is you should understsnd that any and all attempts at state sponsored cultural and by extension ethnic policing has been a complete disaster resulting in draconian systematic oppression at best and complete genocide at worst. It is simply the end game of human nature. The people at the top will ALWAYS twist a delicate and subtle message such as this to their own ends. No human being alive is worthy of that kind of power.

    Also a lot of people do not have as finely tuned of an intellectual capacity to fully comprehend the subtleties of the point that you are trying to make. So you can fully expect a lot of fringe wackos to gravitate toward what they THINK you are trying to say even though the real message might be going right over their heads.

    1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 4:11 pm

      Wow did yu take your medications today? In Canada, I get most of my healthcare for FREE.

  50. JC April 29, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    This is all part of “the long march through the institutions”. Good article.

  51. Anonymous April 29, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    This truly is the end of times.

    1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:42 pm

      Today is the best time to live in! Women have better access to jobs, healthcare and education! If it wasn’t for feminism (God bless Betty Freidan) my life would be confined to a patriarchy concentration camp. instead I have a successful career at a Top 5 banking firm in downtown Toronto! I am only 26 years of age and I have a great life!

      I have the freedom to travel, dine, shop and choose any man I want! Only the barbaric old fashioned men loathe the new times.

      1. Guest April 29, 2014 at 4:28 pm

        You can choose any man you want to pump and dump you. When it comes to marrying, buying a home, and having children, no good man would pay any attention to a careerist feminazi whore like yourself!

      2. good luck April 30, 2014 at 4:45 am

        I suppose no self respecting person, man or woman, will want to hang out with you, guest. All of these things are not attainable to you, so you chose to worry about them. Good luck with that life strategy.

      3. Black French May 1, 2014 at 1:23 am

        You should apply ROK policy. Don’t answer to gays and women. It’s a male-safe space here.

  52. Brad Turner April 29, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    This was really good Roosh! I have been thinking the exact same thing for a couple of years now. It was reassuring to see someone else write out these ideas. Do you have any plans for a new book on this topic?

  53. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    What is wrong with women having careers? Canada is the best place to live, yet there are many misogynist and anti-Semitic comments coming from Canadian men who blame their shortcomings on successful people!

    Is this forum a KKK or Neo-Nazi website of Arabs?

    Many of the posters have mental issues urrgg..

    1. Paine April 29, 2014 at 6:24 pm

      Switzerland is the best place to live, much better than Canada, you are most likely a Canadian who has never known anything about the rest of the world

    1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 3:39 pm

      When will someone be arrested for participating in hate crimes against women and the Jewish people? Never forget that 6 million European Jews died in the hands of German Nazis.

      1. Guest April 29, 2014 at 4:26 pm

        never forget that 20 Million Russian Christians were murdered and starved to death by jews in the Bolshevik Revolution. When are we going to see the jews prosecuted for hate crimes? What about all the Palestinian civilians who have been murdered by jews? When will the jews be held to account for their murderous hate crimes????

      2. fizziks April 30, 2014 at 6:45 pm

        First of all, most of the prominent Bolsheviks were not Jewish. The only prominent Jewish one was Trotsky, and he was murdered by Stalin. The Soviet regime was one of the most antisemitic in history – look up the Doctors plot.

        As for “Palestinian” civilians, they are caught up in the 80 year old Arab-Israeli conflict, and they are aligned with the side of that conflict that is wrong. There would be no occupation nor any bloodshed had the Arabs accepted the 1948 partition, or made peace any time between then and 1967, or had made peace any time following 1967, or accepted Olmert’s 2006 peace plan. But instead at every point they’ve chosen the path of war and extremism, to their own detriment.

      3. Rebuy May 7, 2014 at 3:06 pm

        Wrong. Trotsky, Kaganovich,Sverdlov just off the top of my head. The Jews were extremely well represented amongst the Bolsheviks. Obviously Marx was Jewish.

        Why isn’t there any remorse from the Jewish community for these monsters?

      4. Prince Valiant May 8, 2014 at 1:51 am

        They are the *chosen ones*. We are the Goyim (cattle). Why should they apologize?

      5. Prince Valiant May 9, 2014 at 10:07 pm

        And the Armenian Christians in Turkey too

      6. Nanashi June 27, 2014 at 1:40 pm

        Wrong. They murdered 2 billion people or even more. I’ve been told that in my american school, meaning that is true.

    2. Aurini April 29, 2014 at 4:18 pm

      What did he expect to happen when he was reading it in Dar al-Islam?

    3. jpz70 May 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm

      I think it’s a brilliant passage and set of observations from Churchill, however it’s all about context. The laws exist to keep the peace.

      He wasn’t arrested for publishing or promoting the speech by Churchill, but the manner of public delivery which may be create offence to other people.

      He was wandering around in a public space with a megaphone. It isn’t peaceable behaviour.

  54. Jae April 29, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    Looks like Roosh is turning into a racist douche just like Heartiste.

    1. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 4:08 pm

      The anti-Semitic and misogynist comments disturb me! Most of the men need psychological counselling, inclusive of the ones who continue to blame innocent Toronto and Canadian women for their shortcomings.

      1. Nevsky April 29, 2014 at 7:26 pm

        I heard that Hitler planned on mass-murdering 6 million feminists in Toronto. It was going to be called the Torontocaust.

    2. Guest April 29, 2014 at 4:24 pm

      Looks like a bitch agrees with you, bitch. Maybe you two can go somewhere else and be all bitchy together!

  55. Andrea April 29, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    Another thread named 15 reasons why Toronto is the worst city for men is nothing but hate speech drivel! The comments are disturbing, misogynist and some are hate speech! Toronto women, do not let these misogynist Toronto men oppress you! Call your nearest women’s rights organization in your area to inform them of any gross misogynist material so the authorities can take action in preventing any more oppression of women in Canada!

    1. Prince Valiant May 3, 2014 at 4:16 pm

      Stop oppressing your own brain, dear

    2. fokkertism June 1, 2014 at 5:47 am

      This article doesn’t mention Toronto at all. Go back to Jezebel and bitch there.

  56. someguy April 29, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    With regards to population issues, the world’s biggest problem is that there are too many people. The amount of strain that’s placed on natural resources (ex. water resources, food supplies, etc.) is simply unsustainable. If everyone tries to keep their populations increasing, we’re likely to see a total breakdown and a sudden collapse in world population. The world population must come down and it will come down one way or another.

    With regards to multiculturalism, the entire idea of an empire (or republic, to a lesser extent) is to be multicultural and multiethnic. The idea of the nation-state wasn’t born until the 19th century. Also, the modern view of race is also something that started with colonialism. For example, Rome did not have a modern sense of race; the Roman sense of race was spiritual.

    If you’re correct, this would directly imply that nation-states are more robust than empires and republics, which is clearly not the case. Nation-states were designed for war while empires and republics were the peace-keepers. With regards to US immigration policy, it was Alexander Hamilton’s idea to have an open policy of immigration to import human capital. All of the empires that dominated the world had similar immigration policies (ex. Mongol empire, British empire, Roman empire, the “American empire” of today, etc). This post is riddled with inconsistencies and misnomers.

    1. Guest April 29, 2014 at 5:09 pm

      Your face is riddled with inconsistencies and misnomers!

      1. somguy April 29, 2014 at 5:19 pm

        Good retort. Do you have any actually logic to attack my points? You seem like quite the idiot. Anyone who is arguing for any sort of nationalism and claims to be a traditionalist is a hypocrite. You can’t view traditionalism in light of a modern Western perspective. Anyone trying to do that is an idiot.

        By the way, nationalism is a sentiment that came along with the geopolitical development of the nation-state (hence the root word, nation). When gunpowder and cannons were brought to Europe, it destabilized the region and a new geopolitical foundation had to be created. The nation-state was developed in order to keep the balance of power within Europe during a time when the European powers ruled the world. Now, the European powers no longer ruled the world and we’re seeing the elimination of the nation-state. Unfortunately, people in Europe (morons) have tied their culture to nationality, which means their cultures must die out. There is no other way.

      2. Guest April 29, 2014 at 5:45 pm

        The names always change, but tribalism – racism – xenophobia – nationalism – whatever you want to call it, has always been with us and will always be. It’s human nature, and it’s a good, positive mechanism that is intended to create stronger societies. Nature wins, every time.

      3. someguy April 29, 2014 at 5:54 pm

        No fucking shit dude. Tribalism is inherent to human nature (and in other animals as well) because you need a way to split up resources. What I’m attacking is the hypocrisy of people who support nationalism in the name of “traditionalism”.

  57. Samseau April 29, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    Good essay Roosh. Unfortunately the logical outcome of this is violence, just as it happened with Rome.

    1. Roosh_V April 29, 2014 at 7:38 pm

      How will it be initiated and who will be the primary antagonists? Will it be state vs person or state vs state?

      1. Samseau April 29, 2014 at 7:47 pm

        This is a thread worthy topic. I’ll get to it later.

      2. Jon May 1, 2014 at 12:40 am

        Conservative vs liberal is the USA. Racial AND political in Europe.

        Talk is meaningless when Liberals begin to enact job loss penalties for non-cathedral speech. Around the corner is fines and jail. The end of the slope is crystal clear. Hard penaties for political speech means that the time for political discourse is functionally over. I always knew that talking this out was futile, and so did all of you. They don’t care about democracy or the Republic. In fact, it is in their chief canon that borders are bad. The logic dictates that this is a fundamentally America-destructive stance. The only x-factor is when it will come to a head. The more time that goes by the worse it will be.

      3. Danish Broski May 2, 2014 at 5:06 pm

        It will be right wing groups like Golden Dawn, Jobbik and Generation Identitaire against both police and criminal immigrant gangs. The thing to understand is that the groups mentioned have large popular support. They are not for the marginalized. I believe Golden Dawn has close to 20% of the popular vote.

    2. Guest May 8, 2014 at 12:52 pm

      What about “human farming”?

  58. ganjar April 29, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    this from a turko-persian towelhead

  59. C.Contrary April 29, 2014 at 6:26 pm

    Superb work.

  60. splooge April 29, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Brazil is already lower than 2.11 and Ireland has an even 2.00 fertility and its homogenous. you can have poorer nations like lebanon and iran and they low fertitilty. you can watch Hans Roslings videos on demographics.

    according to pew resarch muslims taking over would be a myth. It seems immigration comes in waves. Like america thaought it would be swampped by italinas back in the day. Imigration from latin america is dying sown and increased from asia. Since latin america is getting more devolped. But asia and middle east will decline eventually and well see a rise in other nations.

    Take netherlands it had a bunch of morrocans turks and surinames comin in now its afghans chinese and iraqis. These dont last forever…you can wiki netherlands immigration.

    1. splooge April 29, 2014 at 8:14 pm

      these numbers u listed do add up. 1,2 and 3 cause 4, which will result in 5 coming in. then the immigrants(5) look around how fucked up the native culture is and will do their best not to fall in that same pattern(which is difficult cuz their kids want to follow that self destructive path). And as a result 6 and 7 occurs.

      Homogenity could be a factor but keep in mind places in India africa middle east have various ethnic groups native to the country but culture exists.
      For Malmo that area has always been ghetto like SUrrey hence why so many migrants go there cause its cheap.

    2. splooge April 30, 2014 at 4:33 pm

      to add to this the only country that seems to be able to grow their fertility is israel. Been watching these demographics of the world for fun since 06 and I honestly have no idea how they are doing it while the rest of the world is going down.

      when i was using cia it went from 2.67 like india’s. Then steadily increased to 3.00 while whole world went down. Whats their secret?
      czuase their arab fertility is going down thanx to forced urbanization, while secular jews and religious jews are increasing.

  61. Sapo April 29, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    “Within 15 years we should see a sharp drop in birth rates and a relaxation of immigration laws”.

    Since 2010,
    more than 20,000 Haitians have entered Brazil through Acre, in the
    Amazon region, and half have received residence.

  62. H April 29, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    If you get a chance, spend some time reading about the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and Austria-Hungary. Off the top of my head those are the three largest nations/empires that tried some form of multiculturalism. The Roman Empire not so much until the end, but it’s believed by historians such as Gibbons (who wrote The History and the Fall of the Roman Empire) that having lots of foreigners who weren’t assimilated sped up the decline.

  63. Anti_Femastasis April 30, 2014 at 1:43 am

    Good article, but to be really redpilling it should mention the driving force behind the decline: Women and women’s suffrage:

    1. Danish Broski May 2, 2014 at 5:04 pm

      Lol, the real redpill would be to look behind that and see the jews in feminism, but I bet you won’t go there now will you.

  64. Bill Velander April 30, 2014 at 3:43 am

    More signs of cultural collapse:

    Note that the guy doesn’t have to use a condom if he has a medical report – just because he has a clean report doesn’t mean he’s clean (these tests aren’t infallible):


    6.1. The Successful Bidder shall wear a condom when having Sexual Intercourse with the Virgin or supply the Virgin a medical report clearing him of sexually transmitted diseases dated within 24 hours of the Meeting.”

    1. Guest April 30, 2014 at 3:42 pm

      what a nauseating whore. I hope she dies of AIDS.

      1. PoosyVortex May 1, 2014 at 8:19 am

        Shocking, considering this chick wants to be a DOCTOR. She has no brains.

  65. splooge April 30, 2014 at 5:10 am

    good read. this leftward western idealogies an feminst thinking is just newspeak. it sounds good n feels good but has negative repurcussions. hope articles like this go viral so other nations will think twicw before they are shamed into adopting this way of life. in conservative communities we all get attacked for being backward traditional or qhatever they wanna call us for not accepting this degenerate life style.

  66. blinkeTitte April 30, 2014 at 10:14 am

    In short terms: fight immigration of people, who cannot be civilized (mostly muslims from africa and middle east) and feminism/gender-mainstreaming, which is pure braindamage. 52 Genders. Great that transgender people fight their biological gender (which according to them faggots does not exist) by eating hormones…

  67. Warrior_Savant May 1, 2014 at 5:03 am

    I hate and love this post for the same reason–>It’s concise accuracy. The hatred stems from the fact that I, much like many men who wish to change it, feel so impotent to do so. I love it, because it calls out what is actually happening for what it is. No filter, no dilution….truth. Roosh, my hat is off to you. I still believe in my deepest of hearts, that America can be the way out of this multi-cultural marxist suicide. I am still hoping for the day that most Americans come to the same realization and make a move.

    Europe is lost. When England arrests an English politician for “hate speech”, after he reads an excerpt from Winston Chuchill’s “River of War”, you know the jig is up there. God help us all….

  68. Zelcorpion May 1, 2014 at 6:14 am

    Well researched Roosh, but only under the consideration that you view the world as bunch of random acts by mindless politicians and greedy capitalists and mindless solipistic populace.

    Let us for one assume that Carroll Quigley’s viewpoint is correct and that the world is led by a financial elite that is secretly pulling the strings until One World Government where it can finally reveal it’s true power. Quigley was a Stanford history professor and historian for the CFR – Council of Foreign Relations – so no tin-foil-hat nobody. Judging from that viewpoint the points would spell out like this:

    1. Removal of religious narrative –

    Elite has to remove religios narrative because it conflicts with their goals – most surviving religions are encouraging stable marriages and rather traditional viewpoints. We can’t have that. A polygamous religion would be fine, but the stable ones have simply out-competed them since polygamy and it’s offshoots produce mud-hut-civilizations.

    2. Elimination of traditional sex roles

    Independent strong Males are the Elite’s main adversary. Women and Female-equivalent-Betas and Omegas are sucking up every little tid bit of propaganda. Thus men have to broken and their natural Alpha instincts have to be wiped out.

    3. Women begin to place career above family

    This creates many advantages to the elite:

    a. Lowering of wages as women swoop into the workforce

    b. Decreased fertility as they put off children (depopulation is one elite goal for 200 years)

    c. Masculization of women as they try to become male replicas in character and now ever more in appearance through endocrine disruptors, hormones in meat etc.

    4. Birth rates decrease among native population

    A uniform population might rise against the agenda as was seen in Iceland during the banking crisis and the people showed up with torches and thus told the bankers to fuck off: “We are not paying for your shit!”. The elite knows this, thus natives have to be outmatched by immigration.

    5. Large influx of immigration

    A diverse people that does not wish to assimilate is easily divisible – every fucking article in the News can keep them quarrelling forever while the Elite sleep contented.

    6. Sanitization of host culture coincides with increase in immigrant power

    The “power” is only on paper only. The diverse immigrants usually are condemned to the lower strata, but they sure as hell are enough to divide the people. No revolutions unless decreed by the mass media!

    7. Destruction of native culture

    Since One World Government is the goal all cohesive cultures have to go.

    As far as the countries are concerned some countries are further along in the agenda, very few are actually outside their control grid. Given a few decades every one of them will be destroyed – not by random acts, but by concentrated effort and design. We still may have some choice in our current times by moving to greener pastures, but given time everything will become a concrete desert by design. I personally do reside in Poland mostly, but I will move further East in the next years as the cultural destruction will wreak its havoc here too.

    1. Prince Valiant May 3, 2014 at 4:13 pm

      Quigley is just restating the Frankfurt School’s tenets. But since that’s been suppressed in the past she’s been able to sell a book rehashing their ideas.

      And who were the Frankfurt School and who is the driving force behind the NWO?

      Zionist Jews.

      1. Zelcorpion May 4, 2014 at 6:41 am

        No large uniform group is the main culprit. Most in those groups are unaware of the real agenda. There are certainly the owner families as well as the scientific and ruling elite. I would call the upper top the Eyes Wide Shut society. Who knows truly who they really are except a few notable families?

      2. Prince Valiant May 9, 2014 at 10:06 pm

        Yes, one large uniform group is the main culprit, if not in actuality than in inspiration.

        You sound like Alex Jones, always pointing to some “bogeyman” while going out of his way to never mention the word “Jew”. And Alex Jones is a known shill.

  69. Tengir May 1, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    Roosh for president!

  70. Danish Broski May 2, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    Very nice post Roosh. You have formulated a very adept summary of the state of affairs in the western world. It does sound a lot like ‘far right’ groups like Golden Dawn etc, but that is the problem: The only groups in society who dare put these – common sense – agendas at the forefront are neo-facist groups. I am not saying it to slander Golden Dawn and the like, because I am sure they would readily agree to be facist.

    The problem is that we will be entering low level civil war in Europe in the coming decades. On one hand, we will see pushes for city states and regions for independence, Catalonia in Spain, Venice in Italy, a breakup of Belgium etc. On the other hand we have the European Union trying to grab as much power before shits really hits the fan. Then we have the groups like Golden Dawn, Jobbik, Generation Identitaire, who are united and in many cases loosely allianced with Putin. Add to that millions of mainly muslim semi-criminals and jihadists and you see Europe facing a widespread Balkanization.

    Unfortunately I see no way out of this scenario. The major problem is that the facist groups are likely to be the strongest of the opposition and they will not bring prosperity but state controlled economies.

    The best choice would be significant cuts in government spending and taxation across Europe to force people into traditional gender roles and lifestyles. A vote best cast for the libertarian parties of Eurpe. However, because most people in Europe now depend on government, that won’t happen and they will be most likely to vote for the strong arm who promises welfare (for the ethnic locals).

    That is why Europe is fucked. It will get really ugly before it gets better unfortunately.

  71. R bere May 2, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    This article pisses me off because it’s true and what is happening. And that pisses me off. This could probably fall under the heading of the decline of religion but there are a few other factors that I think play a big part; One is the championing and near glorification of base behavior/pornography/ that which is of low taste.
    Like Miley Cyrus acts like a psycho slut and instead of being shunned like she would have been 30-40 years ago….she’s glorified. Now, I see pictures of her short haired head sticking its tongue out everywhere I go. As if this is something impressionable teenagers need to see over and over as if it’s something to be emulated. That’s just one small example of the overall debasement of society through this acceptance of base behaviors. I suppose the best way to put it is “that which once was shameful is now celebrated and that which was once noble and honorable is scorned and made fun of”

  72. we r overpopulated May 3, 2014 at 2:49 am

    There’s already 8 billion people on this planet! Isn’t that a lot already?? So if people are having less kids then that’s probably better right?

  73. Guest May 3, 2014 at 3:47 am

    the “native guilt” that you speak of is unique to America due to MLK and the civil rights movements. whites are guilty because they feel bad about their ancestors being slave masters. This is exacerbated by the institutionalized holidays for black american history.

  74. Give May 4, 2014 at 2:52 am

    Setting aside the dubious nature of the sources, mostly ROK and the huffington post, that such alarmist sky is falling tripe dates back, in America, at least a hundred years (replace ignorant depiction of sharia law with they’ll outlaw the sale of meat on Friday) and an incredibly inaccurate depiction of Russia (the majority of the population of Russia has been non-Russian for two hundred years. It’s nothing new and neither is treating non-Russians like garbage) why is it that these sorts of articles always assume that men are static? That we ate living are lived merely in reaction to women’s preferences to put off family.
    Myself, I never want that responsibility, and I know many men like me. Men, whose mid-20’s relationships have broken down because THEY didn’t want to start a family and the women did. Women can want families or not all they want. Didn’t stop me from getting a vasectomy at 25.

  75. Guanyanyo May 4, 2014 at 8:07 am

    Everything you say is true, but it is worse: the non-natives we have here, mostly muslims, not only don’t integrate socially, but don’t integrate into the workforce in a way which would replace the taxes lost due to the loss of births by natives. Even with the massive decline in education standards from school to university which has been implemented in order to allow women and immigrants to “participate”, we still see only very few immigrants making it beyond compulsory school levels. This has nothing to do with “discrimination” and everything to do with the people not having the intelligence needed to finish education, much less in subjects such as engineering, maths, physics, chem …

    A store or deli just does not replace engineers and people educated in what is needed to upkeep the infrastructure of what is a “first-world” country.

  76. Rubio Sol Oscuro May 4, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    How is taking a woman off the market and prohibiting her to have sex with only one man an evolutionary plus? Women were made to take multiple loads inside them and let their bodies decide who was the winner. THAT was the key to our evolution for millions of years. You look at modern civilization and declare that it is tearing the human race apart becuase you have blinders on. ALL of civilization since agriculture has been tearing the human race apart!!

    My solution, we need to get back to our TRUE instincits. ALL modern states are police states and oppressive, anemical to true innovation and science. We need a world where we learn to keep the positive things modern civ has given us, but to use them in sustainable and responsible ways. And we need a world where nobody’s sexuality is oppressed. Monogamous marriage has been IMPOSED on us by authorities for centuries and in some cases millenia. And all it is at the end of the day is another method to ensure success for the beta males by guaranteeing them their little piece of pussy. Where is the value in that??

    1. Раковски May 7, 2014 at 1:56 pm

      And we need a world where nobody’s sexuality is oppressed.

      I’d like to see the blueprint of that?

      1. Rubio Sol Oscuro May 14, 2014 at 11:43 pm

        No blueprint necessary. We just need to get out of our own way. Nature is nature and it’s already inside each and every one of us, as a matter of fact, there is no real true escape!! 😉

      2. Rubio Sol Oscuro June 17, 2014 at 9:58 pm

        It’s easy, just look at nature…

  77. bumrush May 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    A problem with this analysis is it ignores the *political economy* of cultural production, the legacy of colonialism and globalization.

    For example, it’s intellectually dishonest to simply blame immigration policy without understanding why the largest migration in history is happening now.

    Hint: when Western multinationals undermine sustainability by taking advantage of corrupt or institutionally weak countries (or act to weaken them at home), using their exaggerated economic and political clout to tweak public policy in their profit-making favour, blaming average people for fleeing destabilized economic zones (especially when it is Westerners who benefit from that opportunity theft) is like blaming water for the flood instead of the dam that broke… and fyi, the dam was privatized and in it’s search for shareholder value, the multinational made damn sure that the public sector would be on the hook for whatever economic risks ensued.

    In other words, fix the (global) wealth distribution problem and watch how quickly cultural production finds equilibrium, aka everyone has the opportunity to fit into the evolving zeitgiest and be productive.

    1. Prince Valiant May 9, 2014 at 10:03 pm

      Have a cig after that mental masturbation. You can’t just “fix” the global wealth distribution without identifying the multinationals first. Hint: they are Zionists and those in league with the Zionists.

      What you are describing sounds like communism, which was a scam run by Zionists. If you force cultures to be equally productive, you’re by default creating disincentives for maximum production. In the best-case scenario, you will still have wealth inequality. There is no “Utopia”.

      1. Prince Valiant May 9, 2014 at 10:04 pm

        To be clear, “Zionism” isn’t just the wish for a homeland in Israel. It’s a mindset of Superiority achieved by any means possible.

  78. roman43 May 7, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    ouch! sounds like you’re getting old and all crusty. it’s just change, embrace it and thrive. adapt or die.

  79. King Pin May 7, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    Evolution…simply, Evolution. And who says that a culture MUST survive? Where are Mitani, Hurrians….Olmec, anyone? Yet, the Great Dragon of the East knows the formula of the Conquest for a long time, already: one-child policy IN the country, networking, free procreation and world-wide emigration OUT of it. And, apart from hard work, they have their priorities right: money, family, health – in that order. Do you notice the Absence of “self-realization”. “True Love”, and “universal human rights”?….;))…..alas, eusocial species are efficient, but not very creative…

  80. maldek May 7, 2014 at 11:03 pm

    Dont worry about “culture” and what will happen in 200 years.
    We do not have 200 years.
    When the oil runs out – we will have about 9 000 000 000 people.
    (Now we are 7 000 000 000)
    Without the use of oil, earth can feed about 2 000 000 000 people.
    Was as we know it today is nothing compared to the chaos that will happen when the majority of people will starve to death.
    This is not going to happen 200 years from now. We are talking about decades.

    1. Ahmed Bodhi May 11, 2014 at 3:00 am

      Gotta get those free energy and alternative streams up soon. Especially gas converters..

  81. Guest May 8, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    “because they were trained in school to respect all religions but that of their ancestors.”

    Yeah, nothing pronounces America better than that!

  82. xman8818 May 8, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Roosh, You are starting to sound like Mark Steyn. That is a compliment…

  83. Harry Mann May 13, 2014 at 12:34 am

    Unfortunately, the idea that a group has to be similar in so many ways for a culture to maintain formation leads to discrimination and anti-assimilation. And that can target people who very much think along mainstream cultural ideas, so that they can adopt the culture but never be accepted into the culture, which leads people to go there own way instead, with the understanding that they have been refused. Exclusion is meant to keep the benefits derived from membership to one’s own group. Jealousy among members is a big part of it.

  84. Kris Kemp May 14, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Excellent article, Roosh. You’re a talented writer and this shows that you’re a social anthropologist, too.

  85. Seth Richards May 15, 2014 at 1:40 am

    I can’t help but feel that the article goes too far to one end of the spectrum. Portraying a dystopian future where political incorrectness puts you in jail, women are paid more then men, and that men would rather live in Thailand is really pushing it. The author is saying that these seven aspects are destroying the American culture; Removal of religious narrative from people’s lives, replaced by a treadmill of scientific and technological “progress.”; Elimination of traditional sex roles through feminism, gender equality, political correctness, cultural Marxism, and socialism; Delay or abstainment of family formation by women to pursue careerist lifestyles while men wait in confused limbo; Decreasing birth rate among native population; Government enactment of open immigration policies to prevent economic collapse; Immigrant refusal to fully acclimate, forcing host culture to adopt external rituals and beliefs while being out-reproduced; and Natives becoming marginalized in their own country. The author twists the tone to make these aspects demonizing but I believe that they are good aspects; I personally believe that you can be a person of God and a person of science. The great thing about science is that every time we answer a question, it creates thousands of other questions. The more we discover about the universe, the more we discover that we know so little. The existence of a higher being cannot be conformed or denied, and science proves this. Issues on traditional sex roles: I do not think that grown men who vowed celibacy should dictate the sex lives of reproducing couples. When it comes to this subject, shouldn’t we seek the opinions of experts in this field? And I don’t think the author really understands socialism. America will never become a socialist nation; its citizens love modest capitalism. A woman seeking a career is not, I repeat, NOT a bad thing. Our culture should be encouraging such practice. Women should be raised to believe that they are capable of anything. They should be told of alternative lifestyles besides becoming at home baby-makers. Without career-minded women, we wouldn’t have circular saws, engine mufflers, Kevlar, or even medical syringes. “Decreasing birth rate”; um… have you ever heard of the issue of over-population? Next. “Open immigration policies”; our nation was founded and formed by immigrates. Have people forgotten that immigrates are people too? And that the world’s greatest mind do not always come from America? And by the way, does anybody know how difficult learning another language is? There is no harm in having precaución right under a caution sign. And besides, Mexican culture isn’t all that bad; the food is great, sombreros are functional, and Latin Dancing is a celestial art form. We are learning from other cultures and incorporate the more entertaining aspects into our own culture (Cinco de Mayo anyone?). “Natives become marginalized in their own country”; the natives have already became marginalized in this nation; remember the Apache or the Iroquois? Diversity benefits a culture, especially genetically. I, for one, am all for interracial relationships. Extra factors in the gene pool adds in resistance to disease. In contrast to the author of the article, I disagree that the American culture is decaying; I believe that it is evolving. Because of newspapers, television, and the internet, the American culture fluctuates at a rapid pace. It changes in every generation, for both the good and the bad. People like to romanticize the past and say that the previous generation was better; having better morals and work ethic. The past, present, and future are just as good and just as bad as the other eras. People dramatize and exaggerate everything, and they get the most attention. Overall, stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong.

  86. germanonH May 17, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Statistical Polish woman have 2,1 kid in UK and 1,3 kid in Poland. And in addition to your theory she should have more kids in her native country not in the rotten west. The cultural collapse of Polend is the lack of money.

    1. germanonH May 17, 2014 at 11:26 am

      *And by your theroy she should have more kids in polend

  87. 4DerBeobachter May 20, 2014 at 10:14 pm


    Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

    Excellent post Roosh, keep up the good work.

  88. Dick Zucker May 21, 2014 at 12:32 am

    Silly Roosh, when are you going to realize that the “cultural collapse” you are witnessing is the product of years of planning from a certain elite?

    The nose knows…

  89. Jimmy May 22, 2014 at 1:44 am

    You lose me with your homophobia and right wing, religious, very sexist bias, though I do conclude you make many pertinent points…

  90. MJP May 25, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Oh my goodness, what a brilliant piece of writing: 10/10.

  91. VoodooEconomics May 26, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    good research article. And a clear warning for all of us…

  92. invisiblehand85 June 3, 2014 at 9:56 am

    Amazing post

  93. Etzel June 3, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    What a great essay! Seriously, this is what a honest and intelligent European (and by extension the American, or “Westerner”, or whatever) must face in the coming years. The only thing which is understandably lacking in this analysis (since it goes much deeper), is that it was not merely “science” or the “Enlightenment” that directly caused this, nor the “death” of religion in Europe, but our democratic values and ideals of “equality”, “freedom”, “justice” and “happiness”. These democratic values, in turn, came to dominate after the French Slave Revolution, but the cause of the ascension of these decadent values comes way before that, for the rise of all these values is a consequence of the dominion of the Christian morality. What directly caused this, then, was Christianity, and what we are seeing now is merely Christianity’s values drawing their ultimate, logical, decadent consequences.

    But worry not mankind! For much is currently being done to halt this comedy of a slave society’s progress! Because I’ll be damned if I watch Europe collapse while doing nothing: I will do everything I can to show mankind what a true empire is.

    If anything, this whole ordeal was even beneficial, since we have learned so much from it. But yes, the immediate future is going to be nothing short of tragic, lol.

  94. kuzo June 6, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    I don’t know about all the pick-up-artist BS I’ve seen you post, “women are worthless except for sex” etc. You lose credibility with reasonable, scientifically-educated, intelligent people every time you pander to “AFCs” that way.

    This is unfortunate because you’re actually DEAD-ON with this post (and many others). Most of my own thoughts on the subject have been on #6 (immigrant power), specifically muslim immigrants’ strategic and purposeful refusal to assimilate into European countries. My Dad fled Iran during the revolution and has many stories of the cultural and moral backwardness that is islamic “law”.

    I realize that I’ve been remiss. I haven’t spent much effort considering the problem in its greater–even more serious–context. But what the heck is one American man supposed to do about it? Just give up and watch it all burn? I can’t accept that. If we all accept it, that’s it.

  95. Ray Wolfson June 12, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    an important part to this is that women who run off to university and careers, have absolutely no clue about raising children… they are probably more hopeless than your average man would be, because they are prone to be panicky, stressed, and of course they have to incubate and birth the baby which is exhausting in and of itself….

    thus you have a whole host of late 20s to late 30s women, who suddenly have the hormonal rush to get pregnant, spread their legs for the first beta provider they can find, and then dive headlong into a massive panic about becoming a mother….

    they can’t birth without a c-section, they can’t breast feed, they find child care tedious, mundane, stressful, boring – they long for the ‘excitement’ of their previous career / social life… they have zero extended family to help out….

    this is going to have a terrible effect on the children.

  96. Model 800 June 15, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Further historical evidence of this fascinating and highly relevant phenomenon characterizing our current zeitgeist can be found in Sir John Bagot Glubb’s “Fate of Empires” as well as in J. D. Unwin’s “Sex and Culture”. A more recent and highly polemical “fictional” account can also be seen in Jean Raspail’s “The Camp of the Saints”.

  97. Jonathan Roseland June 27, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    If you’ve ever wondered why our culture is so intent on programming us into shallow, hedonistic, short sighted and self destructive beings there’s a 4 hour documentary series worth watching, The Century of the Self.

    In 1929, in the Middle of the Easter Day Parade in New York, something scandalous happened.
    Group of beautiful young debutantes, dressed to the nines and with jewelry glimmering in sun, strolled together in the parade with aloof expressions on their faces. Every step of the parade they were accosted by catcalls, whistles and male attention from the spectators.
    These girls bore a strange cargo, which they revealed as the jubilation of the parade reached a crescendo; all of them lit up cigarettes. The photographer’s, eager to capture this politically incorrect moment, focused their lenses to record the suffragettes inhaling from their ‘Torches of Freedom’.

    This moment was master minded by a man named Edward Bernays, a Machiavellian guru of marketing, wisely hired by the American Tobacco Corporation, the cigarette company. Edward Bernays was the cousin of Sigmund Freud, who learned about mass psychology, witnessing first hand the rise of the Nazi party in Germany.

    He built a massively successful corporate consulting business on a philosophy that was radical at the time but proved to transform our world
    You can sell people what they did not want or need.

    The weeks following the parade newspapers around the country reprinted the image of the fashionable débutantes; overflowing with youth and fertility, adored by a mob of men while partaking of something culturally forbidden to their sex. It was a new era.

    A lot of Rooshv or ROK articles rail against corrupt western culture, feminism, destruction of the family unit that has produced masculine women, new age wimpy men, countless organization handicapped by political correctness, unethical hedonsts, a generation of technology addicted zombies and killed the nice guy.

    You may occasionally wonder why… What’s the evolutionary benefit to extreme narcissism and entitlement? Why do we individually and culturally fail so chronically to empathize with our future selves? Why do we continually elect leaders that betray us? Why do we chose to love those who will hurt us? Who do women treat their bodies like sexual roller coasters and revolving doors?
    It really comes back to the philosophy that made Edward Bernays a fabulously wealthy man:
    You can sell people what they did not want or need.

    Here’s the four episodes, you can also find them on Youtube but it seems to me that Vimeo is of higher quality
    Happiness Machines

    The Engineering of Consent

    There is a Policeman Inside All of Our Heads, He Must Be Destroyed

    Eight People Sipping Wine In Kettering

    Below, let me know anything interesting you learned from these documentaries that you think you can implement in your own life or in the organizations to which you contribute.

    I shared these documentaries because, like a lot of people who read Rooshv or ROK, the more I read the more I felt a growing disappointment with the fairer sex. It’s important to remember that women’s behavior is not in their nature, it’s actually largely the fault of men (Thanks Edward!) who sold them what they did not want or need…

  98. EvigtRegn October 10, 2014 at 9:26 am


    Another interesting country to consider is Switzerland. More conservative than perhaps any in western Europe (e.g. gives lower tax burden if mother doesn’t work outside of home, still upholds objectivity and strong schooling as virtues etc), but they still have high immigration and low birth rates. Perhaps the cultural collapse is just as imminent there despite their inherent conservatism?

  99. Renn October 12, 2014 at 10:56 pm

    Roosh, great article, but did it ever occur to you that the reason, “Religion, it may turn out, was evolutionary beneficial to the human race” is because God is alive and Jesus is real? All the cultures that forget God are destroyed. It’s been this way since Biblical times. Roosh, you are a smart guy, but you fail to see the obvious. Why? Go to to see how real Jesus is.

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  101. SteveTirone March 16, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    Roosh, you forgot one extra element of the socialized society: the war of the old and entrenched on the young. Google “youth unemployment.” The middle aged, with their “job protection” laws, have placed a stranglehold on employers. Once they’re hired, they don’t need to actually, you know, work. So employers are highly hesitant to take a risk and hire anyone, because they can’t fire the slackers, and the jobs are filled anyway.

  102. Michael Ryan June 22, 2015 at 10:22 am

    you forgot the stage where young white men get dating advice from a nigger

  103. Cristalexi July 2, 2015 at 11:30 am

    So you just want a society where there are no people of colour and your white women just serve you. Isn’t that what’s got you into this mess?

    1. Copperhead Joe May 3, 2016 at 8:28 pm

      That’s how our ancestors lived for centuries. The idea of doing it differently is less than a human lifetime old. What I don’t understand is what makes you think this new way, with all of the disastrous problems it is already causing, is natural, or will last?

  104. Ilias September 6, 2015 at 2:19 am

    I am european, a muslim european, and let met tell you that you know absolutely nothing about Europe, not mentioning the United Kingdom.

    In fact, your discourse, though having some interesting points, is extremely reductionist. The paradox is that you blame muslims for being conservative while you look down to your fellow feminized and anomic american males.

    I am sorry if I hurt americans, but as a european, a mediterranean and a knowledgeable muslim, I am afraid that too many times americans verify their international reputation of superficial minds, probably influenced by the poor culture they are forced to live in and absorbe from.

    Please avoid the terms ‘scientifically primitive’ when you speak about my muslim brothers. Though it is true that emigrants came generally from low socio-economic backgrounds, things are far more complex. For instance, your servant is graduated in law, speaks 5 languages, has a vast culture and an IQ of 140. Should I, and people like me, feel like a culture destroyer or rather as a way to renew Europe thanks to the equilibrium that I have between traditional values and cultural flexibility ?

    You are talking about a religion far more complex, coherent and spiritual than anything you will ever taste. A religion which ruled from Barcelona (Spain) to New Delhi (India) in a single state. A civilisation which left the most beautiful monuments from Spain to Iran, which was the leading civilisation in the world as america is now, and enabled scientific, cultural, moral and legal benefits which the whole world benefits from until today.

    Please avoid speaking about cultures or continents you do not know. Many of you never leaved the united states, and are kind of cut off from the world cultures, interactions and historical heritage.

    Thank you.

    Nota bene : Sorry for my english, I am french speaker.

    1. José Lopez May 7, 2016 at 1:34 pm

      Its normal that you feel some kind of offended by the article. Hence, all what you wrote is about yourself, personal own case. But there are realities we can’t deny: GENERALLY speaking, people from the arab countries come from a more aggressive and religious style of behaving, and when I say aggressive I rather mean imposing.

      It is well known the cases that when Arabs of low level education emigrate, they impose their culture rather than adapting to the host country. See Arabs in Belgium, where they are forming ghettos. Also, some people of Arab descendants have demanded their host countries to remove “the christian cross of the flag” taking as pretext the “Laicism” but rarely they demand to remove the half moon of theirs.

      You say that “Please avoid speaking about cultures or continents you do not know”. I’m not defending this guy, but it seems that he had traveling abroad enough to know something. I knew some Arabs people, and I have to say for the most part of them they are people who try to impose themselves and not mix with other due to the religion. The most open and relaxed where Lebanese.

      Here we are not talking about “how beautiful your religion and Arab civilization” was but instead how suitable is to let a specific culture to immigrate to another society and how it benefits / harm the host culture.

      I’m a Mexican in Canada and I agree with almost of the entire article. It will be easy to say in my position as immigrant that “how wrong the article is” but been living in this “advanced societies” I can confirm several points mentioned.

      In Mexico we had a strong family ties and very diverse roots and traditions, and all people in the country identifies themselves with each other. We are homogeneous so we have good chances to preserve our culture. We don’t need to bring external immigration because we are 110 millions in population and we keep reproducing in a steady pace.
      Even when I’m not a fanatic of religion, but neither someone who denies the existence of a superior been, in México is something that give us to ourselves meaning an a sense of belonging. When a Mexican travels, they say “I’m mexican.” Not here in Canada, there are cases where when they travel and have been asked where they come from, they answer like “‘I’m from Quebec, Ontario, Alberta, ” etc. They are united in paper, not it it’s hearts or souls.

      Here in Canada, natives are very materialistic isolated empty people who have trouble making social relationships and keeping strong connections. They’ve lost something in the way. Religion is only practiced by few locals but almost for the immigrants. Suicidal rate are high. French part of the country don’t identify with English part. They are a “nation” mostly because it’s convenient rather for having a strong felling of a country.

  105. SweetDoug February 2, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    You appear to have made a typo, early in your essay, which I find quite interesting, and well written.

    You must have double-tapped the “0” for…

    “These two factors will lead to a complete cultural collapse of many Western nations within the next 200 years.”

    I’m quite sure you must have meant “’20’ years” as my experience tells me, we may not even have that long…

    Always here help.


  106. Alan February 5, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    If defending religion is necessary to maintain the culture then let the culture die off

  107. Chiefs_Echo_Chamber April 1, 2016 at 11:36 am

    I hate it when people use progressive in a negative way. Progress means to improve, grow, and evolve. Period. I do agree that less children should be born. People ain’t no damn good. I’m not understanding the writers mental matrix on being anti-progress, but being pro-self growth.

  108. Brain April 2, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    America has a weak culture because of our immigrant foundings? No. That is what made us strong and that is what allows us to be the great melting pot that we are.

  109. disqus_2015ScorpioWater August 25, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    France is announcing that this school year, soldiers will be guarding schools, yes soldiers not police officers. Apparently now schools in France are seen as terror targets, France has the largest Muslim population in Western Europe, one in ten French are Muslim. The police state apparatus is increasing, so much for liberty, fraternity, and equality.
    The government is preparing to train young children to survive terror attacks, children as young as six. If this does not tell you the West is doomed, nothing else will.

  110. zeitgeist2012 October 12, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    Your argument is valid for the most part my friend. However, you fail to see that the dark mass heathen immigration and dark hedonistic miscegenation with dark pagan and near white enemy coreligionist subversives taking place today within all white christian nations is being facilitated intentionally in order to rob, supplant, and destroy white protestants and inadvertently white Catholics since leftist multicultural Marxism, the real name for cultural Marxism, liberation theology, and critical theory was devised by the Jewish Marxist Frankfurt school, the Latin universal church with its crypto-Jew Jesuits anti-white christian organizations, and the Freudian Tavistock mental warfare institute who have all sworn to destroy white Protestantism or white christian western civilization = leftist genocidal social justice. The holy wars never ended and no matter how technologically advanced our societies becomes does not change the nature of the beast or people. New toys does not negate good, evil, or the grave. If our white christian men, women, children, and nations are being systematically destroyed from within and without with our leftist enemies in control of our national institutions calling the shots through the posterity of our enemies of old without fighting back against the evil then we are not worth saving because we have already lost our places in heaven.

    Furthermore, many of our once white christian women and men are being used to eradicate our posterity using what I call leftist self-eradication theology. Many women now work in low paying jobs without benefits with the government making up for it with subsides. The more kids the single mom have the more govt benefits she receives. Many women are now working govt jobs and within companies who survive off of govt subsidies and are required to push their leftist self-eradication indoctrination of hedonistic multiculturalism facilitating white and christian genocide. Many single white girls are now encouraged to race mix having multiple kids and get massive SSI and welfare benefits for life as a reward. Women now dominate the workforce…so, where are the men?

  111. Loup Kibiloki November 9, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    I’m familiar and I agree with much of what’s written here.

    However, I don’t understand the logic inherent to the following statement, or similar ones one can read here or elsewhere, since a communist society is by its very definition, a STATELESS society :

    ” .. “Cultural Marxist theory,” which serve to accomplish one common end:
    destruction of the family unit so that citizens are dependent ON THE STATE. ”

    Strange statement. Not that I’m a “marxist” ( even Marx used to say he wasn’t a “marxist” ).

    Strange statement since a “communist society” is, by its very definition, once again, a STATELESS society ..

    It’s been defined as such before Marx by American anthropologist Lewis Morgan.

    Not that I’m an “expert” in those matters, but I know that for a fact.

    The concept was adopted by Marx and Engels from Lewis Morgan based on his lifelong study of North-American Indian Tribes, especially the Iroquois society from New York area.

    For instance, USSR’s never been a “communist society,” by definition.

    It was a socialistic totalitarian **statefull** apparatus : Union of **Socialist** Soviet Republics.

    There can’t be socialism WITHOUT a State. There can’t be communism WITH a State.


    As for the rest, we are in Calhoun’s Behavioral Sink. Mice didn’t need any kind of ideology or activism whatsoever to behave like our present societies and to finally disappear.

    So … Let’s have a look at what some old wise men used to say about the power of archetypes and how to deal with them in order not to make complete fools of ourselves. I’m thinking of Heraclitus. Or Carl Jung. Or Aurobindo.

    Actually, prayer is always welcome and can do a lot. Dieu is everywhere ..

  112. Brandon Baltic November 17, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    Is this the real reason why the Roman Empire fell? Based on the works by the Roman poet Juvenal, there is strikingly similar comparisons.

  113. Jason Wills May 1, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    Roosh’s understanding of the purpose of religion is overly cynical and reductive. It isn’t to “promote family formation”, although that is certainly a benefit of a robust religious culture.

    Also, whether or not religion “promotes scientific ignorance” depends upon which religion we’re talking about. If it’s Islam, then I would say, yes, that particular religion does indeed promote scientific ignorance. However, it is a fact of history that the classical orthodox Christian tradition was what produced modern science, and it couldn’t have happened any other way.

    1. si91 June 21, 2017 at 6:16 pm

      This is a logical fallacy. We have no idea what exactly would have happened had Christianity not arisen, any more than we know what would have happened had Germany won WWI or had Lincoln not been assasinated. It is a tribute to Christian arrogance that you seem to think that your dogma was somehow indispensable to the development of modern scientific thought, given that humans had been making steady progress on that front since time immemorial. And that isn’t even considering the Christian history of suppressing inconvenient scientific ideas.

      1. Jason Wills June 22, 2017 at 10:41 am

        Your comically irrational and infantile butthurt loathing of Christianity is duly noted. Your wholesale ignorance of the history of science is likewise astounding.

        Judeo-Christian civilization laid the metaphysical framework without which the development of modern scientific thought would not have been possible. This is an absolute historical fact, whether you like it or not.

        Hindus and Buddhists would not have been able to develop modern science because they believe the natural world to be an illusion (samsara). Muslims would not have been able to develop modern science because they do not believe in an ultimate rational order, only in submitting to the arbitrary dictates of divine will.

        No, humans have not been “making steady progress on that front since time immemorial”; that statement is demonstrably false. Before the advent of classical and medieval Christianity, nothing remotely resembling modern science ever developed anywhere.

      2. si91 June 27, 2017 at 8:10 am

        It is a simple fact that humans have been making advancements in science and technology since the Stone Age. Everyone from the Pre Columbian Americans to the Romans and Greeks to the Chinese and Indians had their share of contributions to it. If anything is comical it is the idea that modern science could not have developed without your particular brand of religious delusion, especially considering the Christian history of suppressing inconvenient scientific ideas. Again, it is simply a logical fallacy, not to mention laughably arrogant and presumptuous, to suggest that you know exactly how an alternate history of the world would have developed.

      3. Jason Wills June 27, 2017 at 12:49 pm

        “Everyone from the Pre Columbian Americans to the Romans and Greeks to the Chinese and Indians had their share of contributions to it.”

        None of them developed, or had any hope of developing, anything close to modern science. You keep missing the point over and over again, and your willful ignorance on the matter is becoming rather tedious.

        “Again, it is simply a logical fallacy, not to mention laughably arrogant and presumptuous, to suggest that you know exactly how an alternate history of the world would have developed.”

        You don’t seem to appreciate the rich irony of that statement, given that YOU are the one who is fabricating an alternate history of the world out of whole cloth. You would prefer it if any civilization in the world had developed modern science, rather than the only one that actually did: the classical-medieval Judeo-Christian.

        Alas, your mindless, irrational, butthurt hatred of Judeo-Christianity, and your desperate avoidance of the obvious with regard to history and anthropology, would be funny were it not so sad and pathetic.

      4. si91 June 27, 2017 at 2:58 pm

        You keep saying that other cultures would have had no hope of developing modern science. That in and of itself is an alternate history for which you have presented zero evidence so far, aside from childish insults so typical of insecure religious zealots. Why not try debating like an adult for a change?

      5. Jason Wills June 27, 2017 at 3:50 pm

        Judeo-Christian civilization alone developed modern science. No other culture ever did, or could, and I have already given you the reasons why. Those are the facts of history and anthropology, whether you like them or not. The evidence is overwhelming.

        Perhaps you need to immerse yourself in a vat of Preparation H or something. Might help with that butthurt. Do grow up and learn to stop whining and sniveling like a little bitch when you’ve lost an argument. It’s pathetic.

      6. si91 June 27, 2017 at 4:06 pm

        To say I’ve lost the argument assumes that your inane, unhinged, and embarrassingly ignorant ranting actually constituted one. In any case, given the paucity of actual content in your posts, I can only assume that you want to have the last word, so I’ll be the adult here and let you have it.

      7. Jason Wills June 27, 2017 at 7:39 pm

        “your inane, unhinged, and embarrassingly ignorant ranting…”

        Perfect description of all your childish, idiotic comments.

        Yes, go away now, little boy. Go crawl back to your playpen after tossing your toys and diaper dung around the room.

        The demonstrable facts of history and anthropology are on my side, whether you like it or not. Unlike you, I have actually cited sources for my argument.

        All you’ve got is your demented, deranged, hysterical, frothing-at-the-mouth, butthurt loathing of Judeo-Christian civilization and anyone who defends the plain and obvious truth about it.

  114. gfy June 12, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    so lets assume your ideals are worst case senarios, and they are. you seem to forget that the us is largely rednecks and negros. we breed like rabbits, were christian, and were way more well armed. aslo we dont recognize authority for the most part and we have very xenophobic communities. so i guess bring on the target practice. also lest you forget the rank and file of the militiary is made up of aforementioned ethnic groups, the military will never turn on the public irrespective of what dictator is in office.

  115. Om Prakash Sharma June 23, 2017 at 5:21 am

    If that be so the theory of Stephen Hawking that we will need another habitable planet if we let the young immigrate to places where death rate has overtaken the birth rate. Other wise we can leave the Nature to play its part. Roosh seems to think that their culture is better than any other culture. The cultures collapses because of being on the wrong side of the nature. But then we adopt to another culture. The conflict will continue and nature will always balance it.

  116. Rave Veen August 4, 2017 at 11:44 am

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  117. Raveen Jayabalan August 4, 2017 at 11:48 am

    Most people/native are quite naive when it comes to immigrants. (Immigrant myself).
    They are 2 kinds of immigrant:
    1. Those who bring in money, experience or business
    2.Those who don’t contribute

  118. b March 8, 2018 at 12:03 am

    Really what we have here is Nihilism. Nihilism is disillusionment and depression. It’s the enemy of idealism and the pursuit of virtue. We see Nihilism arise in areas of economic depression, genocide, and generally any place boredom, frustration and emptiness prosper–Nazi Germany, the USSR, Wesleyan University.

    How did we get here?

    Two reasons,

    1.) an imbalance of power due to over-competition due to over-population. This not only includes economic power, but there has been a vast decrease in fertile female per capita with the lack of wars and famines to keep the female per male ratios high. Men and women live longer, but women stay sexually active for the same amount of time.
    2.) Easier access to pleasures with less repercussions for hedonism

    Discovering the vast untapped resource stores of the New World and the implementation of free-market capitalism let to rapid economic expansion. Technology boomed at an exponential rate over the coming centuries; productivity per capita boomed and our quality of life increased.

    Newfound access to resources and greater efficiency led to a greater cut of the pie for each household–meaning the carrying capacity of the world greatly increased. Thus we experienced a population boom to fill and then exceed that capacity.

    The United States leapt far ahead of the rest of the world. Life was darn good in the West, relatively speaking. But the good times always come to an end.

    Free-market capitalism leads to efficiency and growth because it is a system where hard work and skills are rewarded with wealth while bullshit takes a back seat. Obviously, we all know skills aren’t distributed evenly and capitalism–while the most efficient and equitable way to divy the pie–leads to an imbalance of power.

    The mixture of capitalism and massive population growth meant that economic inequality rapidly increased over this period of great overall prosperity. At the same time, the implementation of democracy meant that both the rich and the poor had equal votes. And naturally, overall economic growth slowed as natural resource stores waned, population increased and competition from the outside grew. In response to such great prosperity, losers–people without skills, people who didn’t work hard–began manipulating their equally-weighted vote to redistribute wealth from the top to the bottom. Climbing the latter had become vastly harder, so let’s rig the game to get more for less. Democracy, unfortunately is easily manipulated by the masses.

    Tyranny of the majority is only one shortcoming of democracy in a competitive world. Cronyism is a tool used to in non-transparent/unchecked governments to increase power by giving kick-backs to friends in the private sector in exchange for money in a politician’s pocket. During good times, the human mind’s tendency to ignore the ugly truth led to us ignorantly turning our back on a wealthy, centralized, Federal government filled with politicians who found ways to increase their own power unfairly.

    As population grew, and as free trade led to the growth of poor countries via foreign direct investment and easier access to technologies minted in the first world, the developing world has caught up to the slowing US over the past half-century. The internal policies that have choked economic efficiency and disincentivized hard work–progressive income taxes, higher minimum wages, racist policies like affirmative action, sexist policies to increase the presence of women in lucrative careers–have put the US at a great disadvantage.

    The increased outside competition and the rapidly depleted amount of resources per capita have made life darn difficult to the average US citizen–particularly white, anglo males. No matter how hard you work, you’ll never have enough, you’ll never be valued fairly, and you’re even villainized for the accomplishments and skills you’ve rightfully earned. It takes balls to fight the defeatist attitudes and cynicism but adding in the hatred we feel from the people we give so much too is understandably enough to put non-sociopaths into a depression. Affirmative action is a gift from white males to minorities and policies combatting the nonsensical Gender Wage Gap is a gift to over half of the population yet those we give so much too treat us worse than ever.

    This is what has led to depression and disillusionment. Nice guys finish last is what this generation has been taught and that religion is a crutch. Those who get ahead aren’t those who are the great men of character or socially-valuable skills, they’re often connivers and whiners.

    And furthermore, the lack of wars and famines has increased the ratio of men and women in the first-world to nearly 1:1. And because people live longer than ever before, that means men remain sexually active for longer, while women remain sexual active for the same amount of time. The sexual marketplace as a result, has become a pathetic show of even the most eligible males worshipping mediocre mates, unfit to mother men in previous generations.

    On the second point–access to pleasure without repercussions for hedonism. The supply of porn, video games and sit-on-your-ass entertainment has boomed at the same time religion, masculinity and virtuous lifestyle have been nearly removed from society. While depressed and disillusioned, it’s easy to turn to the bottle, the pill, the joint, the porn site, to drown out reality.

    Men used to be hard–they faced the beaches of D-Day because they were men of character and belief. A pretty wife and a white picket fence was the reward for a hard days work at the factory, and the respect of your sons and (chaste) daughters made fatherhood a pleasure. We have devolved into a society of nihilism, hedonism and Marxism. The competition is stiff and it has been rigged.

  119. Justin Beck March 23, 2018 at 9:14 am

    I do think there is such as thing as cultural collapse but this is a right wing interpretation of it.

    1. Removal of religious narrative from people’s lives, replaced by a treadmill of scientific and technological “progress.”

    NO…ignorance about what science really is leads to climate change denial, willful ignorance, confirmation bias and backward and barbaric anti-intellectualism.

    2. Elimination of traditional sex roles through feminism, gender equality, political correctness, cultural Marxism, and socialism.

    NO…moderate socialism provides a working wage for all, healthcare for all, childcare for all while gender equality and true feminism as opposed to corporate feminism address women’s genuine concerns while corporate power and male entitlement chain us all to roles that are rife with unearned privilege and violence. The gun culture and weapons industry seduce men into thinking they can maintain their unearned privileges through fear, violence and murder.

    3. Delay or abstainment of family formation by women to pursue careerist lifestyles while men wait in confused limbo.

    NO. Men have had plenty of years of doing the same. We have enough people at 8 billion, many of which will struggle under climate change and a sputtering world economy. Men wait in confused limbo to join the human race in seeking a world that takes care of its environment, needs no unearned privileges for any group and seeks peaceful solutions to the world’s problems in a world without weapons including nuclear and easy access to firearms.

    4. Decreasing birth rate among native population.

    NO. Waaa.. big deal if you don’t like long lines and lots of traffic. Sounds good to me.

    5. Government enactment of open immigration policies to prevent economic collapse.

    NO. Whatever. Down with Trump and the AfD. Corporations and the wealthy out of politics would serve us better than blaming problems on the vulnerable. That is called fascism.

    6. Immigrant refusal to fully acclimate, forcing host culture to adopt external rituals and beliefs while being out-reproduced.

    NO. How about white men’s refusal to adopt peaceful solutions and an anti-corporate and environmentalist set of ethics. I do agree that hip hop sucks though. I split with he left on that one.

    7. Natives becoming marginalized in their own country.

    NO. We are all marginalized by the corporate coup d’etat that has taken over and has taken away our rights.