Dating Doesn’t Work

After absorbing the experiences of hundreds of men (and women), it has become clear to me that dating simply doesn’t work for finding a life partner. No other tactic has a greater failure rate in creating stable marriages and families than Western-style dating, a method that only excels in finding short-term sexual partners.

Before writing off dating completely, we have to first define what a relationship success story looks like. I’d define it as a marriage that is maintained for at least 25 years and which results in the birth of at least one child, meaning no catastrophic divorce that harms the upbringing of children. Many people you know who seem happily married are not yet a success story, but since most of my readers are under 40, let’s lower the bar and define success as any stable marriage that is at least ten years in length.

How many people do you know who have been happily married for at least ten years? Now how many people do you know who have not been married for ten years and who likely have no hope for that outcome in the next decade? Unless you are a part of a religious community, I predict that you know far more people who have absolutely nothing to show for their dozens or hundreds of dates and hookups. As dating has become even more shallow thanks to apps like Tinder, most people will outright fail in finding a mate through the strategy of dating.

If dating was an experimental drug intended to treat cancer, the experiment would stop halfway through because of how disastrous it is on the patient. Randomly opening a phone book and marrying the first opposite sex name you come across would have the same success rate, assuming there is mutual physical attraction. There is nothing within our DNA that allows us to successfully sample a hundred or more people, often sexually, to find love or compatibility without also succumbing to hedonism, self-harm, alcohol abuse, or outright sterility through the contraction of STDs. This is no surprise upon realizing that dating in the West began with 19th century prostitutes and homosexuals to later be normalized for everyone without having to prove its utility. It was never intended as a way for heterosexuals to find long-term partners, and any culture that has implemented it has suffered both lowered marriage and birth rates.

Dating is merely a technique for gaining sex, not relationships. It’s a miracle invention for men who want no-strings attached fun, and I have benefited from it for over 15 years. I almost can’t believe that I can fuck a girl after only knowing her for a couple of hours, all from making a few jokes and maintaining a beautiful beard, but that’s exactly what dating allows. All parties come to an end, however, leaving me and many others of my generation with no partner we love or otherwise happy ending that you see in Pedowood movies, because dating was never designed to help you find life-long partners. It’s a dead-end that explains why so many Western adults in their 30’s have never had a committed monogamous relationship of even a year in length.

I often get emails from both men and women who want marriage but are struggling with the dating scene. Mainstream culture has taught them to essentially become a detached professional negotiator who plays endless psychological games while interacting with 1,000 or more potential partners in the hopes that one will work out. Imagine if you used this soul-crushing strategy with other areas of life.

  • Go on 1,000 job interviews to find one good job. There are a lot of jobs in the sea.
  • Test drive 100 cars to find the right car for you. Never settle for the car that isn’t perfect.
  • Inspect 500 homes to find your dream house. You deserve the absolute best.

Yet this is what we do with dating, and we buy into it because it’s not so bad in the beginning, especially for women. They like being hotly pursued by so many men in the prime of their physical beauty, thinking that they can hold out a few years until Mr. Right appears out of nowhere, but all those suitors just want to fuck and nothing more. Men like myself greatly enjoy the sex rewards that come with dating, but am I really going to marry the woman who slept with me on the first date and who will kiss my son with a mouth that has been gagged on by over a dozen cocks? I rather be single, and apparently, a lot of other men too.

The number of men a woman has to interact with before finding “the one.”

You may be one of the lucky few who got dating to work, likely from meeting someone in your social circle, but for every one success story, there are a dozen people who are failing or will fail in their marriage goals. Simply pull up a map of the world divorce rate and you’ll see a near perfect correlation of divorce with countries that permit widespread dating before marriage. In fact, any country that uses dating as a mechanism of pair bonding will inevitably suffer from cultural collapse, because they have no choice but to allow massive third-world immigration, often from incompatible cultures, to make up for the population shortfall.

When I’m in the mood for easy sex, I’ll date. I’ll approach a girl, spit my game, and bang her no later than the third date, but I’d be a fool to use that strategy to find a wife, because I know that a woman who is open to dating random men has a sexual history that my strict standards simply won’t be able to accept. Since I’m not plugged into a church community or traditional social circle, this means that I’ll be stuck on the more shallow end of relationships with women, an outcome that is not ideal, but one that I’ll accept far more eagerly than using dating as a means to find someone I could be with for the rest of my life.

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first

Abu
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The fact is that most women nowadays are sterile. because of food, culture and taking in 100 cocks. Im in a frat and trust me, I know what its like to take advantage of a degenerate culture women follow.

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but black pilling on this won’t work. find a young Iranian muslim girl, they are fine as fuck so I really don’t understand your complaining. have like 10 kids. you genes, deserve to be passed on, you need to understand this.

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Hes half so girls fam wont accept him….but bosnia is an option

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He’s also Orthodox Christian, so there’s that roadblock too.

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Ah, so Roosh learned firsthand how white women use their white privilege to punish nonwhite males who are foolish enough to marry them with (likely) divorce.

Interesting…

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Roosh, you know what needs to be done. Return to the religion of your forefathers. come back to Islam. embrace the Caliphate. embrace Sharia. Embrace Imperium and Righteousness of the caliphate to rule over the disbelievers. you can chose that or keep rooting for lapsed nationalists who will eventually accept defeat because they don’t want it bad enough

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lolwut

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Perfect troll, sad truth xD

Steve
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The religion of his forefathers actually isnt islam its zoroastarianism. It predates islam and, and all monotheistic religions actually.

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Islam and monotheistic religions certainly borrowed some elements of zoroastarianism.

Abu
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not saying Islam is the answer. but its the best case scenario for the world. globalism is the acceptance of evil incarnate. I prefer the former

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So why don’t muslims flee the west back to islamic countries?

I’m guessing you have? Which islamic country is the best for righteous muslims to return to?

zaqan
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For the sake of allah
we march to the gates

lmao

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HAHAH you call them gates we call them pu$$y lips:)

Abu
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monogamy is foolish. multiple wives with an understanding that men naturally prefer young women for sex and older women for company.

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Your prophet was a monogamous too to a woman who were way older than him, Khadija, until she passed away. Was he a fool?

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Naw, the older the more baggage:(
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HOLY GAP-OLY

Simon Andrew Richard Long
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I read an article in Psychology Today that said that young men turn to being suicide bombers because the wealthy had all of the women, some guy has several wives, while other men miss out.

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they also resort to doing little boys in the ass for that very reason. it happens in afghanistan

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Yeah but they seem to love those little boys’ ass!

gizzard of oz
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afghanistan is a backward, impoverished country, no doubt, but it’s not so bad that those little boys have to share a communal ass

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Those motherfuckers should be shot for buggering little boys.

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Maybe, but are you willing to travel there yourself to perform the procedure? If you can’t any more, would you support the use of tax dollars to hire people and go perform the procedure? How much is it worth to you, to solve this problem?

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Their culture is a backwards decadent one, much like ancient Troy or Greece that did not value human life like we do today. The soldiers in Afganistan SHOULD HAVE done something to stop this, but the brass told them “don’t, its their culture”. What bullshit. People smarter than me about this COULD HAVE done something and CHOSE not to. THAT is my point.

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I agree. This is one aspect I wish would just be accepted.

M Kalishnakov
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Who prefers older women for company? Dog is better and much quieter.

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Submit to Islam and be safe. Or agree to the payment of the Jizya (tax), and you and your people will be under our protection, else you will have only yourself to blame for the consequences, for I bring the men who desire death as ardently as you desire life.

This letter was written by Khalid, from his head-quarters in Babylonia, to the Persian monarch Emperor Yazdegerd III before invading it. (History of the World, Volume IV [Book XII. The Mohammedan Ascendency], page 463, by John Clark Ridpath, LL.D. 1910.)

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Not as comforting as you might think.

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Whether this story is historically accurate or not, it is also useful to remember that Iranians influenced the development of Islamic thought and internationalized it, after its introduction by the Arabs.
They also converted the invading Mongols to Islam using this same ability, rather than through brute conquest by suicidal fanatics.
Shi’ism arose in spite of – or because of – the brutality and oppression of the persecuting Sunni Caliphs, proving that sometimes blood is victorious over the sword rather than vice-versa, and that Iranians changed Islam and influenced their own Arab conquerors so that today Iraq and Lebanon have a Shi’ite majority, and despite all persecutions, the gulf states have persistent Shi’ite minorities. The sword is not always victorious: sometimes its victims are. Right?

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Mohammedism is the religion of Satan and death. Anyone who studies Mohammed and his “religion” would never consider converting to something so stupid. It is a stone age moon cult. The fact that Arabs hold onto it says a lot about them.

That Iranians, the heritors of a great religious and military past, are forcibly kept within Mohammedism is a great crime.

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We know what’s best for you and are prepared to murder you for our belief system,
I’d love to see a gay army invade and subjugate some Deash strongholds, After they were forcibly converted to being gay, they might rethink the philosophy of forcing their beliefs onto others.

Westsider
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I came to a game blog, and a comparative religions debate broke out. Sheesh…

j/k

Clever Anonymous Handle
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Yes, the “Religion of Peace” at work. Sure.

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And NATO would kill you and take all your lands in less than a year.

You guys just keep pushing….

Abu
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Times is running out. the West is lost. but feeling despair for a dead entity is useless. take pride that something greater will unite the people under universal principles and perennial wisdom, conquering and slaughtering the globalist hegemony.

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Haha. As much as I hate Islam (and most religion), you may have a point.

Wouldn’t it be funny if:

(1) Islam takes over the West, with the help of the retarded don’t-be-an-Islamaphobe feminists.

(2) The New Islamic West then decrees feminism illegal; Puts to death the worst feminists, repeals all female rights including voting and makes all women property of their respective men.

(3) Men are allowed to have multiple wives, concubines, etc. etc. and Patriarchy is fully restored (and then some) across the West.

(4) After a few years of being ruled by Orthodox Islam, the now masculine Western men foment a series of national revolutions that turn all Western countries back into secular nations BUT they retain most aspects of Sharia law.

(5) The West is essentially restored as a 1950s style Patriarchy (but even 10 times more patriarchal than the actual 1950s) with science and the exploration of space restored as civilizational goals. And yes, women still can’t vote and will never be allowed that “right” ever again.

So maybe we shouldn’t be fighting Islamic radicals after all. Bring on some of that good, old fashioned Islam!

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I wouldn`t be surprised if it turna out like that.
The only thing I think is unlikely there is the “ever again” part.
Remember Spengler`s civilizational seasons. When things are good again, we “forget” history.

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You are dreaming.

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Its already happening and with islamic birth rate 5x higher than the west, is a forgone conclusion. There can be no rebellion by remaining occidental natives AFTER full sharia though, that can only happen prior. Either through self segregation/secession of true conservative states, or monetary system collapse and no access to birth control and protection by big bro.

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Assuming that Europe and America is overrun by Muslims. Besides, I don’t see you leading the charge of secession. You’re but a foot soldier, one who is expendable by the Alt Right. Don’t be fooled.

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Can you follow English? the demographic avalanche ensures native europeans are replaced with muslims within 2 generations.

Secession is nothing to do with it. Are you blind? You can see wee are brown skinned, so are expendable to the alt right but certainly not as their footsoldier. Anyway this is projection on your part, as you read here and realise the truth that you are expendable as a cultutal marxist ‘useful idiot’ as Marx described.

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“Can you follow English? the demographic avalanche ensures native europeans are replaced with muslims within 2 generations.”

Maybe, maybe not. There is a thing called intermixng.

“Secession is nothing to do with it. Are you blind?”

You had just talked about secession. Are you forgetful?

“Anyway this is projection on your part, as you read here and realise the truth that you are expendable as a cultutal marxist ‘useful idiot’ as Marx described.”

Since Cultural Marxism is in reality a sham, how can I be expendable?

“However, as usual you simply repeated your unsubstantiated assertions without addressing the evidence i provided debunking all your feminist propaganda.”

First, it’s not my “feminist propaganda”.

Second, your assertions are mere opinions.

“My IQ was 130 and in the top 5% by the militaries testing using Stanford Binet, and again 130 using the WAIS in being tested by qualified psychologist supervisor, 95th percentile.”

No one cares about your alleged intelligence. It’s easy for anyone on the Internet to make these claims without hard core evidence.

“If you repeat the same things again when you have been clearly disproven, you are either a deliberate liar or going senile with your neural pathways stuck in the same cultural marxist groove”

There has been nothing disproven. All you have is mere opinion, not facts.

Are you done here?

Max Power
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If there was a real threat, they have the weapons to destroy the Earth a thousand times over. The actions of ZOG are the only real variables which cannot completely accounted for…

Vegard Johansen
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The West might be lost, but China is not going anywhere.
The same thing with Russia.(Unless you include them in the Western world)

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what has that got to do with the price of fish?

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He claims Islam will conquer the world.
I was pointing out that the world is lot more than the western world, which only compromises some 9 percent app. of the global population. (And shrinking fast.) The Chinese and Japanese for example are certainly not submitting to Islam any time soon.

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In 50 years Russia will be the most European part of Europe.

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To what extent does Russia consider itself part of the Western World any more? It now has an established church, strong anti-Islam and anti-feminist policies, but is still in an economic decline. The only thing Russia produces that any other nation values is oil, and the price of that is still in decline. Perhaps instead of the old bifurcation of West and East, we need a new category.

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Russia is resource rich. I has 1/3 of of the worlds minerals and can be completely self sufficient. It doesn’t need the west, china or America.Russia would be the ultimate national socialist state.

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Russia had the same resources under Communism. Didn’t seem to help much. I wouldn’t expect too much from Socialism – under it there is no rational economic calculation, as painfully demonstrated by the German experiment with it during WW2. I’d use the word ‘Fascist’ except using it in a way people can understand is alot of work now days. But let’s quote Mussolini instead: “Everything for the State; Nothing against the State; Nothing outside the State”. That worked rather well till he went to war in 1940.

Perhaps you will observe that Russia did succeed in moving its industry East in 1941 and did re-establish their industrial base in 1942. I observe that Russia received an amount equivalent to 1/5th its GDP through lend lease. And, finally, the ruthless industrial discipline that was instituted reduce most of its labor to the level of zeks. You will also remember that the USSR was unable to feed itself since the collectivization and murder of farmers in the 1930s. It had to buy food abroad repeatedly, first using gold extracted the Kolyma gulag, and the betting on oil prices in the 1970s. Neither of those are options any more.

So, I think they will look more like the Chinese model, which, in my opinion, is class Mussolini Corporate State model.

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“Dating” is what happens when women get more power and legal rights. I strongly suspect the decline of nations is seeded into patriarchy:

Powerful fathers want their daughters to be powerful too, so they push for more rights for women. This turns all of society into sluts, who then fail to reproduce enough to sustain civilization. This is what happened in Sparta, Rome, Byzantium, several Arab caliphates, and most likely a few Chinese dynasties as well.

It could very well be that races of man are simply doomed to rise and fall according to sexual laws that are deeply embedded into human nature.

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1950’s “dating” was at least an activity which often led to marriage, particularly since women and men often got hitched when they were barely over 20. You both went out for milkshakes… and if you liked each other you went out a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time and eventually he put a ring around it because he liked her and he was horny as hell. Worked pretty good.

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Imagine asking a girl out to milkshakes now. Youd get laughed at. Or if you did get her to the shake shack, good luck getting her anywhere else

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More like she’d have already had her quota of ‘milkshakes’ that week

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I do all of the time and we have a great time. Young women love simplicity and good time. Its the guy and not the event. I am 52 and the girls I date are 18 to 25. They always end up back at my high rise with panties dropped.

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Yeah I’ve always found Genesis 3:16 to be a fascinatingly succinct and accurate summation of female nature.

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The circle of life and death of a civilization encapsulated in a single post. Well done.

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Dating works well in religious cultures where a sufficient amount of shared values are implied.

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That version of “dating” works when there is no sex before marriage.

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Why should I work for years on a girl to get her to put out? Marriage is a very expensive way to get laid, and there’s no guarantee she will do it even then.

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Marriage in Iran has not just been about getting laid. Girls there dream about having children (at least they used to). Men dream about having children. In the West sex maybe has been reduced to something that evolution didn’t make it for. Maybe the Middle Eastern tribal culture evolved to help humans survive through scarcity, like the gibbons in this video. And maybe modern Westerners are like the baboons in the video, promiscuous because of an over abundant food supply (a situation that is not sustainable).

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And here is why it is not sustainable.

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It’s because you are used to instant gratification that is modern dating culture in the west. Instant gratification is what brings doom to modern generation and to women-men relationship in Western spheres.

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True. I’ve seen that kind of “dating” a lot in Malaysia and Indonesia. And those couples will be likely to stay married to each other till death. Divorce seems to be quite rare.

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What’s the practical alternative for people over 30?

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I’m working on it.

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Definitely a good topic to explore Roosh. Guys over the age of 28 generally don’t have social circle game working well for them anymore (particularly after job transfers etc) and the bar/club scene (not like that was good wife hunting ground anyway!) gets stale by that time as well.

Tinder and Internations is really kind of all they got unless they are the 1 in 25 guys who thrive on ballsy day game.

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Roosh and Alcon,

I’ve learned a lot from you over the last year, some good and bad. Some I agree with and some I don’t, but I believe your observations on modern male-female relations in the west are all on point. it is dysfunctional plain and simple.

I’m a Christian, fairly jacked, and have fairly handsome. I used to kick in door for a living, and am a regular guy. I have sought dates my adolescent to adult life, but it was always for the goal of finding a wife. Only talking to 9’s and up, sticking to Christian ethics, and looking Filipino, I usually struck out with girls. Every so often I’d get lucky and get number, and if I was horny and weak I’d get laid, but no shot at a “marriage as the goal non-sexual relationship”. For many years I figured I was missing something, or just hadn’t gotten lucky yet.

I turned to your books. I listened to bang and day bang, learned the techniques, and put them into practice. I got more numbers instantly. I got more dates and more chances for bangs, but since I rarely fornicated, I wouldn’t get a shot at a relationship. And even if I did give in and fornicate, there was no relationship if I told them there wouldn’t be anymore of that till marriage.

Since returning to college and using game effectively here, I have found that all of the college girls I’ve gone a date or two with were willing to quickly and easily sleep with me, but if/when I refused they would immediately lose interest. Even faster if I even brought up life goals, marriage, children, or anything remotely related to being serious about life and a future.

As far as what to do now, I see the solution for me. And it goes back to what you and others have referenced. God has already given us the answer. Betrothal. That is, finding one of good reputation (as in biblical times and many others, community members knew one another) and stating marriage as the goal from the start. If mutually agreed to by the man and woman, the families would also give their consent. I’ve been telling everyone I know about it for sometime but no one will listen. But for me, this is my only option at this point.

I’m a first century Christian (member of the church of Christ) and even we (in the west) have bought into this dating fallacy. Having tried it throughout my 20’s, I now want nothing to do with it.

The funny/sad thing is, no one in my church can see/ admit to the lessons I point out. The fornication, the std’s, the abortions, the utter dysfunction of dating, the “dump em if they’re not perfect” mentality which leads to divorce, none of it has succeeded in convincing even members of my sub group the church of Christ that this is simply madness. Even the preachers (my peers as I am also a minister though not working as one) I know who have teenage daughters won’t allow themselves to admit the truth of what you and I and many other men can clearly see. Dating is a good tool for sex and that’s it…smh.

My 20 something friends, don’t listen either, but laugh it off as if they are not subject to this dysfunction-they won’t fornicate, they say. They will do things right. right…Uuntil they eventually have sex with their dates or bf’s/ gf’s, and then they come crying…

It’s like the fathers and mothers don’t remember what they probably (almost certainly) did when they were young, single, dating, and horny. It’s like the 20 somethings don’t remember what they (we) did last bf/ gf we had. They all refuse to see/ admit what you have been saying for sometime on this issue. So, yeah, thank you for being honest and real enough with yourself and the manosphere, and whoever else might read your blogs.

As for me, now, I only seek out women from cultures and sub cultures that

1. still value God
2. still value marriage
2. still value children

This eliminates college campuses, bars, clubs, and any where that feminism is acceptable.

That leaves
1. Uber conservative groups (such as faithful members of
the church of Christ, practicing Mormons, Quakers, Amish, Muslims, and
perhaps a few others)

2. Middle to lower class girls in
developing countries. This is because there foolish life choices (such
as dating) produce a dramatic and real difference in quality of life. As you have note, in crime ridden and poverty stricken areas, having a husband
literally equates to a difference in quality of life. It may not be a life of prostitution, but it may mean the difference between living with 5
family members in a two bedroom apartment and catching the bus to a
crummy job at the mall, or having your own place, car, good food, and
the ability to go out to eat or go to the movies at will.

Since most girls in the uber conservative groups aren’t really physically attractive to me, that means I go to where the women are both attractive (to me), and also still faced with the accountability and consequences that life sans a welfare state holds them to.

I then use game to get get a number or coffee.

I then tell them about dating v. betrothal on the first conversation/ date.

I tell them about the fallacy of dating, I tell them about the Biblical practice of betrothal.

It’s a long shot, but at least I’m not fornicating, getting my children aborted, getting std’s, wasting time and money, ect.

Thanks for what you do man.

-Joenan the Barbarian

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Nietzsche, otherwise simply brilliant, said a lot of useless stuff about women, probably because he had so much female damaged goods around him, but one of his tips did stick with me: marry only a woman which can imagine being your best friend after the sexual attraction wears off. And the basis for this friendship is, I may add, common interests.

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I found my wife dating in Japan 25 years ago. But I had to play dirty. Got innvited to a consulate Christmas party where I knew there would be lots of smart, beautiful uppper class girls but few guys. It was the kind of fishing spot that comes your way once a year or two. Got two phone numbers at same party from beautiful women. Got to choose. Dated both a couple of times after til I chose. (By the way, the ugly girl who invited me to the party as her date ? I am not proud, but I ditched her within 1 minute of arriving and started talking to the hotties. I was married one year from then, almost to the day.). We have a son joining military as an officer, am encouraging him to marry overseas if things do not work out with his current girlfriend.

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Lol, if I had a penny for every time a girl had ditched her actual boyfriend for his better looking friend, or more charismatic friend, or friend with more game, I’d be a rich rich man.

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Roosh is right about this.

I drank the Kool-aid in my 20s and 30s. I was a serial monogamist. I broke up with a string of girls for no good reason other than I was “too young to get married.” Then I discovered Game in my early 30s and had fun with that.

I finally got married in my early 40s to a woman who fits the age formula “half your age plus 7”. Lucky as hell. She is traditional, kind, feminine, caring. A great supporter and a great mother to our kids.

I cannot tell you how awesome being a father and head-of-household is with a good woman. It is the best feeling. Quite manly, actually. I love those kids with all my being.

Looking back I can point to nearly half a dozen girls I dumped who would have made good wives. My post-college GF worshipped the ground I walked on, was traditional and accepted my headship. I accidentally got her pregnant. She had an abortion at my insistence because I was “just getting started” and “didn’t want the burden” of a child at that time. Thinking about that time now fills me with sadness and shame. That child was a life. That was my child, my flesh and blood. And I murdered him or her. It’s terrible.

[Oops didn’t mean to gush about that. Just came out.]

My point here is that, knowing what I know now, I would have settled down with a solid woman with good values in my 20s or early 30s instead of fooling around so long. Sure I had fun. But what do I remember about that time and those women now? Just bits here and there. It’s nothing compared to the meaning that having a family has brought into my life.

My advice to my children will be “Get married in your 20s to a good man/woman and start a family. It’s all that matters in life.”

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“I drank the Kool-aid in my 20s and 30s. I was a serial monogamist. I broke up with a string of girls for no good reason other than I was “too young to get married.” Then I discovered Game in my early 30s and had fun with that.”

A serial monogamist was actually a GOOD thing. Pumping and dumping in your 30’s only demonstrated your weakness. Thankfully, you married and procreated. Can’t say that for PUA’s.

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An abortion makes women feel “empty”. It’s killing their soul. That’s where dead and empty gaze in most of every women’s eyes nowadays came from. It damages them beyond repair more than anything.
How is she now?

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my baby-moma admitted she had had 4 abortions.
and “if I had of known” severely regrets it…
imagine the insanity if she didn’t have our kid.

so do I — am opposed to it now that I know the truth.

planned parenthood etc…hopefully will end up meeting madame guillotine…

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there’s an abortion referendum coming up in Ireland in the next few months. Browse facebook and tell your story. The pro-life campaign have a good page and approach. The concept of consequence/responsibility is of course being hacked away at by moral-relativists/pro-abortionists. In your case, the consequence being guilt (from a male perspective) is rarely discussed. Probably will be dismissed as male “man-flu” whining by the bloodthirsty feminists, but it would convince a few, undoubtedly.

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This is not a problem that can be solved for the person reading it. It’s a problem that they can solve for their children.

Does that sound like cart before the horse? It’s not.

It simply recognizes that the optimal outcome for most of the current generation of men entering marriage age will not be available. To think otherwise, or demand otherwise without that extensive “search” is male solipsism.

The average guy, red-pilled or not, is not a snowflake. Acknowledging that you will have to sacrifice to achieve a desired goal that will manifest for your children, not you, relies on long term planning and future vision, denial of current wants, and willingness to “make the best” of current resources rather than search for a Unicorn.

All of the above does not occur to women, who live in the now. However, they love signing on to a man’s plan. You can ascribe any motivation you like to that, but in a captain/first mate relationship you gotta have a destination and set sail. You won’t keep a crew if you stay tied up to the docks.

So you will not be able to avoid dating, but your children might. You have to be in the driver’s seat there, working with other like minded parents and arrange those marriages, teaching daughters to be married by 19, and marketing them to older (24-28) sons of like minded people.

There’s so much here to work with, but the TL;DR is that dating sucks for you, but you have the power to make it not suck for your offspring.

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It works to get laid and that’s all I care about. Sadly enough, I haven’t had a date in 6 months. And that’s getting shot down by over 400 women since then.

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Aww, your poor peener. Lighting a candle for you bruv. Stay strong. Awww

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So basically modern western women are abused sex toys that age horribly and also come with high swings of mood and attitude.

So when it gets time to get serious, a western man has to ponder out a question of whether they want to stick with already used up western women or go for foreign women (who will also most likely corrupt based on looking at how fast modern american culture spreads). …

A young modern man has really few options when it come to get serious. Sure fun sex is plenty but if you do that often, it feels like no different than drugs.

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The bad news is that foreign women are losing their advantage, thanks mostly to the smartphone and social networking. Before, women of different counties used to have polar opposite environments, but now there is much overlap. We would expect women with overlapping environments to behave similarly.

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I used to call foreign women – especially 3rd world Asian –
ass-arbitrage
because it is…
ultimately nothing is different, AWALT, its just cheaper…
same as finance – arbitrage is disappearing with high speed ubiquitous IT

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Interesting take. -esp, remember just 5-6 years ago when every last person on the planet wasn’t always looking down, or at their phone, maybe just 50% of society. Now it’s literally everyone, constantly, everywhere.

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This. Kiev new york new delhi tehran bangkok lagos rio…what difference does it make now as nations get richer.
Now those girls look down on THAT girl with the westerner.

Best game i say is go party in rural areas.

Like most readers here live in the city or suburbs. Instead of going downtown for fun. Take the train away from it in those more boring towns an citys an hit the few venues.
Literal night n day.
Cities are overfished n n polluted. But outside of it its pristine an easier to fish

Try it

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When I used to still night game, I’d intentionally hit a few choice dive bars knowing odds were better to catch a random pass through. Granted, not looking for anything but sex, regardless, by percentage of success what much higher than heavily frequented establishments. Usually these dives were bordering on the burbs-to-city, or burbs-to-country.

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Work hard and save like a scrooge, starving the beast at home and travel as often as possible. Just don’t take the OS flower out of the garden.

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In reality, a young modern man has a ton of choices in the States when it comes to getting serious. Clearly you lack insight on this matter.

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Cry more

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You are completely over exaggerating here about American women being “used rags”. Your anger is typical of a guy who blames women for your own personal shortcomings. Seriously, you need help.

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Cry harder.

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“I banged this American ho when I used to visit my buddy’s college dorm. Me and my buddy tagteamed her and consumed shit loads of stree overlord, zinc, and niacin an hour prior and blasted multiple cum shots all over her face and took turns doggystyling her. All while she was raised to be a good, “educated” college girl. Her father must of had big expectation for her but little did he know that his daughter gets gang banged and bottomed out by many different guys. This was almost ten years ago. Fast forward and now today, I look up her name on facebook out of curiosity and she is now married to some dude who works at engineering firm and probably don’t know about her sexual past.”

Dude, take your fake story and send it to Penthouse Forum. It is easy for some guy or girl on the Internet to make up shit and pass it off as being something that really happened in their life.

“From personal experience, hearing from others, seeing and witnessing what was going on in underground BDSM scenes, events from fetlife and their nasty and shocking fetishes, being invited to some clubs, etc…”

I would venture to say that you enjoy embellishing events in your life.

“Now this behavior is spreading worldwide but mainly common around American girls.”

You meant to say that some American men and women are depraved.

You really should write fiction. I suggest contacting Castalia House. Ask for Vox Day.

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For a frustrated virgin loser like you, this would seem like fiction because you can’t get any.

Boo hoo cry harder. It seems like you ran out of porn to jerk off to in your mother’s basement. Stalking all of my posts now huh. You are a psycho stalker and you need to be in mental hospital. Seek help immediately NOW

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Again, you made shit up, got busted, and are now acting all gamma as a result of you being exposed for a fraud.

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Got busted? by whom? You are just lazy ass who refused to believe me even when I gave you how to get my source and citation. Unless you just refuse to not acknowledge what I wrote because obviously you write to every of my comment with nothing but utter nonsense because you have no life, you live miserably alone and you express your frustrations on men who done no harms to you. You must seriously have some pathetic agenda.

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For the love of God, just stop. Your story is pure fiction. You and your buddy did no such thing. Again, grow up.

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You are either a

1) Typical, ugly fattie cow who is mad because no men will give you attention.

or

2) frustrated virgin loser who cannot get laid so releases pent up sexual frustrated anger on someone

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another good article where Roosh puts himself forward to take flak for the benefit of the rest of us

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Roosh, this is your best article get.

Really, what else in life do we ask people to do hundreds or even thousands of times, regardless of the failure rate?

Imagine if we asked everyone to become an auto mechanic. And no matter how many times you tried, for decades, if you failed you needed to keep doing It?

And people wonder why men give up by 30 and never try again.

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“And people wonder why men give up by 30 and never try again.”

SOME men. But, for the most part, men are dating and are good at securing a relationship.

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Which is why egg freezing is now advertised on the radio and there are endless articles about ‘where have all the men gone’. Men are increasingly securing relationships overseas as western women are all risk and very little reward. What relationships they have with western women also result in endless articles about them not being committed.

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“Which is why egg freezing is now advertised on the radio…”

Not in my neck of the woods.

“and there are endless articles about ‘where have all the men gone’.”

A few articles here and there, actually.

“Men are increasingly securing relationships overseas as western women are all risk and very little reward.”

Usually it is men who want to be in control of a relationship.

No different than a radical feminist in their approach.

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Auto mechanics? Imagine such logic applied to surgeons!

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“Mainstream culture has taught them to essentially become a detached professional negotiator who plays endless psychological games while interacting with 1,000 or more potential partners in the hopes that one will work outainstream culture has taught them to essentially become a detached professional negotiator who plays endless psychological games while interacting with 1,000 or more potential partners in the hopes that one will work out. ”
Bullseye. The last chick I dated was a perfect example of this. Always a degree of detachment with her. Feeling me out for AF/BB no doubt. Shit tests built on a perfect curve if you were to graph it.

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Synonymous experiences here too. There’s always that f-ing synthetic wall. If I later find they’ve “settled down” or are dating someone afterwards, it’s usually some “character” of a guy they intended to add to their cast. And most of those girls are Boooooring, reveling in their own cliche lives.

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Totally they are boring. the last one I dated like that was living with her parents and working at a cell phone store. Social media addict and as fake as the day is long.
Even sex was fake feeling.

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Wow, this is… intensely cynical and hypercritical. You have such high standards of sexual fidelity for your ideal wife, yet you clearly don’t meet those standards yourself. You can’t possibly hope to find a long-term partner by dating when you set asinine standards for a long-term partner that are designed to exclude those who date. Ignoring how cynically generalized your view of women who date is, the only women who will meet your standards will likely have the same standards, and you’ll invariably fail to meet them. Your issue with dating success isn’t that dating is a flawed institution, it’s that you have greedy, narcissistic expectations that could only be met in an E.L. James novel.

It’s also worth noting that reports of divorce rates higher than 50% worldwide are generally iffy at best. They’re usually based on governmental statistics that are not actually statistically sound, and do nothing in consideration of outliers such as Vegas weddings (and international equivalents) and celebrity marriages (which are their own entirely different mess).

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Men can sleep with 100+ women and be 100% ready for fatherhood, since they can separate mere physical attraction from emotional attraction much easier than women can. It is imperative for a good mother to have a low notch count at marriage. Virgin is preferable, less than 5 is acceptable, and more than 10 is a major red flag.

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“Men can sleep with 100+ women and be 100% ready for fatherhood, since they can separate mere physical attraction from emotional attraction much easier than women can.”

That is observably false.

“It is imperative for a good mother to have a low notch count at marriage.”

You mean it is imperative for a good parent to have a low notch count at marriage.

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The belief that men can sleep around and not damage themselves is the number one example of the male hamster.

Promiscuity damages a man just as much in the end. PUAs have latched onto the idea to rationalize their hedonistic lifestyles. Time for this bullshit myth to die.

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Amen.

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It’s not a myth, the National Marriage Project reported these findings in multiple reports. Partner count has no observed effect on marital happiness or divorce rates for men, but for women it’s a direct correlation.

Thus proving once again observable reality matches scientific data. Shocking!

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“There are a wide variety of reasons that may lead people to have multiple partners before marriage and, independent of how many partners they have, also be less satisfied in marriage,” Dr. Jim McNulty, a social psychology professor from Florida State University who has published a plethora of research on the topic.

“For example, people who tend to avoid commitment in general may have more sexual partners and be less happy when they settle down. It’s not the fact that they have more sexual partners that leads them to be less happy, it’s the fact that they don’t really like commitment. I would be very surprised if having multiple sexual partners before marriage, independent of any other factor, has a direct causal influence.”

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And as the saying goes and holds true: “A lock that can be opened by many keys is a worthless lock, but a key that can open many locks, is a valuable key indeed.”

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Scientific theory states nothing is ever proven.

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…but plenty of things can be DISproven. For example, the idea that a man’s notch count affects his ability to be a husband has been disproven.

And the idea that notch counts do not matter for women has also been disproven. That’s how we know slutty women are destroying themselves but studly men do not.

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If experience counts for anything, a man being a “studly” man does indeed decrease his satisfaction in marriage. A man constantly on the move has a difficult transition to make. Despite his best efforts can a leopard change his spots? Some of Roosh’s most recent blogs lament his inability to connect, decide and commit. I see my own “studly” son and let me say Daddy is proud- I see him struggle with his inability to keep the course. He tries but cannot stop hunting and make the negotiations and concessions that keep a marriage alive. Marriage can be boring!! This boy has had so many sex partners – and you would think a man could be proud of that. Honestly, from what I have seen it cripples you. As for your “proofs” I am a researcher at heart and require quantifiable evidence. Or it’s just talk. And read Anti-Gnostic’s comment in response to yours. It’s got the evidence that satiates.

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1. Has your boy been married already? If not, 31 is way too young to judge your boy’s ability to bond. Tell him God is watching and that nothing will make him satisfied like a loyal woman, and to keep hunting.

Moreover, a man who is unsatisfied with married life will cheat if given the chance, regardless if he is studly or not. Even betas can just go beat it to porn (lusting with eyes) or buy a whore.

2. No one said disproofs are immune to error, but the study I mention matches the experiences of MANY men who have been studs or whoremongers, and yet still settle down faithfully later on.

A man’s notchcount is not the primary factor that allows him to be a good husband, like it is with a woman. Men are opposites from women, and the readiness for marriage for a man comes from maturity within. Some men need to play with sluts and whores before realizing the errors of their prodigal ways, others are raised well and blessed enough to not need to learn from error.

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“Moreover, a man who is unsatisfied with married life will cheat if given the chance, regardless if he is studly or not.”

MAY cheat, not will.

“Even betas can just go beat it to porn (lusting with eyes) or buy a whore.”

The social-sexual hierarchy is rife with confirmation bias and subjectivity. Men who YOU personally believe measure up or lack certain criteria, well, you label them according to YOUR standards.

“2. No one said disproofs are immune to error, but the study I mention matches the experiences of MANY men who have been studs or whoremongers, and yet still settle down faithfully later on.”

Men are more likely to cheat with women, and cheat repeatedly, and suffer from higher divorce rates as a result. That is the experience of those men who cheat and “settle down”/

“A man’s notchcount is not the primary factor that allows him to be a good husband, like it is with a woman.”

Patently false.

“Some men need to play with sluts and whores before realizing the errors of their prodigal ways…”

There is no “need”, they want to. Which is reflective of their poor parental upbringing and their male brethren failing them to instill proper values.

You are way out of your league here.

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Which league are you in again? Kiddie league? So far zero arguments to back up anything you say, just a bunch of assertions. I have actual data from the National Marriage Project to back me up on male promiscuity being fairly meaningless, you have… a disposition to be angry on the internet. You sound like a bitter spinster to me.

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Correlation does not equal causation.

“You sound like a bitter spinster to me.”

The train is fine, Samseau, the train is fine.

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“Correlation does not equal causation.”

But there must be a correlation for there to be even the potential of a causation. Correlations are necessary, but not sufficient, for causations. So if there is not even a correlation, then there is no causation. Hence not finding any correlation between a man’s notch count and marital success or happiness is extremely significant.

What I wish they also had asked if any of these man had paid for sex; I bet there would be a correlation there.

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“For example, the idea that a man’s notch count affects his ability to be a husband has been disproven.”

That would Fake News.

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You really need to pay closer attention.

“We cannot make any conclusions about cause-and-effect [regarding this study],” says Justin Lehmiller, PhD, sex educator and researcher at Purdue University, adding, “Could it be that multiple premarital partners impacts marital happiness? Maybe. But it could also be that people who have more partners have different personalities or different attitudes toward marriage or relationships.”

Beyond that, Lehmiller says there may be flaws in the way data was analyzed — the way in which good marriages were separated from bad marriages was “rather odd” he says. “EVEN THE AUTHORS ADMIT THAT THEY WERE ‘ARBITRARY’ IN THEIR REPORT. They defined ‘higher quality marriages’ as those in which individuals scored in the top 40 percent … Why the top 40 percent?”

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Just because the cutoff points on what counted as a “good marriage” were arbitrary does not mean the notch-count findings on women were arbitrary. Quite the contrary, there is a direct relationship between a woman’s chastity and her chance of success at marriage. While there was some grey in the middle, the odds of virgins having a successful marriage were well north of 80%. Says it all.

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“Just because the cutoff points on what counted as a “good marriage” were arbitrary does not mean the notch-count findings on women were arbitrary.”

Seriously. You really need to pay closer attention.

My rejection of the National Marriage Project’s “Before ‘I Do'”

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Literally nothing in that blog post addressing the notch count info. You’re really stupid, pretending to be smart. You don’t even know what I’m talking about.

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The entire post addressed the topic at hand. The study you are citing is flawed. You are desperate in trying to extrapolate information from the results to fit your narrative.

Please pay closer attention, you are embarrassing yourself.

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Why do you feed trolls?

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Actually zero notch count is the standard for the marriagable woman. If she has ‘low’ notch count, then there’s an encumberance upon your marriage. There’s a shadow cast over your happy home. There’s some guy out there who has previously reamed the woman that you like to smile and call ‘wife’. There’s some guy out there who in days past, squeezed astroglide on his palm and slapped it onto your ‘wife’s’ tight virgin package. He then doused more slime from the tube upon his schlong and then proceeded to head bunt up inside the innermost reaches of her cervix. Maybe he was too cheap for store bought lube. Maybe he hocked a loogie and spit it on her snatch, thereafter proceeding with the insertion of his phallus, beating the tar out of her cervical wall like a wrecking ball and she screamed “oooh” “aaah’.

THAT MAN you can never shake hands with. You should be on good terms with all good men if only it weren’t for THAT MAN. Of all the good people on earth who you can shake hands with, that one man is the exception. To shake his hand would be like shaking dicks with him. DEBAUCHERY for anyone but a fulge packing down low imbecile. Otherwise to even touch his hand would be unthinkable. It would be like ‘dickshaking’ – eeeew! Those hands of his diddled your woman’s vulva and much more and he wasn’t even an approved gynecologist with a good reason.

SO WHY. Why have such a thing hanging over your marriage? Suppose you’re running for school board or church deacon and THERE HE IS. “Why won’t you shake his hand?” they all whisper. It’s because you know where his moustache has been and how he turned your woman from a pure dish into an unkosher scrap fit for a dog, like throwing a raw piece of pork into the punch bowl at a bar mitzveh. It’s YOUR party that’s ruined, not his. He just had to ruin your party and you just had to settle for some notched up woman right? Well MCGOO says not right. How much harder is it to simply game a virgin? It costs nothing more than with a whore. It’s where you set your sights. Sure you have to schmooze her parents with accolades and convince them to release her and pull her out of high school to commence upon a grand journey of becoming a western renaissance breeder, but hey other than that it’s easy. Any resistance you encounter is only a technicality.

If you’re serious about loyalty, service and commitment, keep it pure. KEEP IT VIRGIN.

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“Actually zero notch count is the standard for the marriagable woman. “ZERO MEANS ZERO” and I’m serious. If she has ‘low’ notch count, then there’s an encumberance upon your marriage.”

Actually, zero notch count is standard for the marriageable man and woman in a Christian-based society.

“There’s some guy out there who has previously reamed the woman that you like to smile and call ‘wife’. There’s some guy out there who in days past, squeezed astroglide on his palm and slapped it onto your ‘wife’s’ tight virgin package. He then doused more slime from the tube upon his schlong and then proceeded to head bunt up inside the innermost reaches of her cervix. Maybe he was too cheap for store bought lube. Maybe he hocked a loogie and spit it on her snatch, thereafter proceeding with the insertion of his phallus, beating the tar out of her cervical wall like a wrecking ball and she screamed “oooh” “aaah’.”

Clearly you have mental health issues and an obsession with pornography. Please seek help.

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Pornography is ‘graphy’ or visual images. I posted no visual debauchery here. If my articulation triggered images, well It’s because I call the spade. Plus the whole world reads my words may they be beshaken. I’m not so much speaking to you Gnostic as I am soundhorning to the world.

So many cuck churches, especially open door ‘overcomer’ and ‘lost sheep’ churches attract divorcees who INDEED have been previously pounded like pizza dough. Try to find a modern Christian church that strictly holds to the V standard and you’ll be sifting through the yellow pages and eliminating quite a few.

LDS Mormons surprisingly have high Divorce rates and high psychotropic Rx’s for women and men both. The church bends over backwards in some areas to virtue signal the establishment. It is a residual from of ‘mormon guilt’ or overcompensating for past persecutions, which is why they cow tow the establishment for approval. They even pushed circumcision to match the trends in the countries where there churches were located. If they were only a bit more old fashioned and renegade fundamental I’d love them a bit more.

BAPTISTS especially the mega tabernacle outfits aim to seat everyone in the zipcode, good or bad, and send school buses to round up all the kids in town if they can on Sunday morning.

RC Catholics are a bit connected in nearly every judiciary and generally have a firewall ready to shield their V set of girls. But they still climb out their bedroom windows and sneak out. Can’t they just pack them and marry them for dowry after puberty?? They’ll only get wasted at college otherwise. Again more kow towing to fast track females into the cubicle.

I DID meet one very small informal church about a decade ago. They were scriptural and met at member’s homes incognito. All were homeschoolers and one of their daughters was perhaps the most gorgeous 17 yo in the county. She had never set foot in a public school. Virgin and pure. Then it was like a panic alarm and sledge hammer both pummeling my head at once when she said “I’m going to XX college at the end of the summer to study pharmacology” I said “nooooooo” “please noooooo”. How could her Dad support that? She’ll be peddling mind drugs as a pharmaco rep wearing high heels well into her mid 20s and she’ll be schmoozed by doctor after doctor. THE LAST Church I thought was safe was sending their most stunning prize not to a virtuous red pill patriarch daddy man for dowry . . no they were sanctioning her HITTING THE MEAT WAGON as a solid 9+ pharmaco rep and surely ending up a carousel ho with crow’s feet by the time she’s 35. NO WOMAN can navigate on her own, especially a beautiful pharmaco rep. Aaargh. This can’t be . . tears . .

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“Pornography is ‘graphy’ or visual images. I posted no visual debauchery here. If my articulation triggered images, well It’s because I call the spade.’

You wrote for Penthouse Forum.

“So many cuck churches, especially open door ‘overcomer’ and ‘lost sheep’ churches…”

There observably is no such thing as “cuck churches”, just churches.

“BAPTISTS especially the mega tabernacle outfits aim to seat everyone in the zipcode, good or bad, and send school buses to round up all the kids in town if they can on Sunday morning.”

You are overgeneralizing here.

“RC Catholics are a bit connected in nearly every judiciary and generally have a firewall ready to shield their V set of girls. But they still climb out their bedroom windows and sneak out. Can’t they just pack them and marry them for dowry after puberty?? They’ll only get wasted at college otherwise. Again more kow towing to fast track females into the cubicle.”

You are overgeneralizing here.

“Then it was like a panic alarm and sledge hammer both pummeling my head at once when she said “I’m going to XX college at the end of the summer to study pharmacology” I said “nooooooo” “please noooooo”. How could her Dad support that?”

Because 1) it’s not your life, 2) her father is helping her make the best decision possible with her life, and 3) be more concerned with how you live your life rather than run interference in the lives of others.

“She’ll be peddling mind drugs as a pharmaco rep wearing high heels well into her mid 20s and she’ll be schmoozed by doctor after doctor. THE LAST Church I thought was safe was sending their most stunning prize not to a virtuous red pill patriarch daddy man for dowry . . no they were sanctioning her HITTING THE MEAT WAGON as a solid 9+ pharmaco rep and surely ending up a carousel ho with crow’s feet by the time she’s 35.”

Third time, not the charm, that you are overgeneralizing.

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There are observably ONLY cuck churches who deny biblical patriarchy in favour of feminism, to retain their non profit tax free status and NGO service funding.

He is over generalizing about crows feet at 35, only because the woman might not be white. The wealthy botox blinkies are the worst. Forehead like a five year old and eyelids like a hundred and five.

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“There are observably mostly cuck churches…”

There is observably no such thing as cuck churches.

“who deny biblical patriarchy in favour of feminism”

There are a number of things in the Bible that are mandated. Do you adhere to every single one at every single moment? Regardless, societies change. Values change. But if you want to follow Biblical patriarchy, go right ahead.

“What i really love is how all the sjw media now put
fotos of asian, latina, black and mixed women on the foto for all their articles now.”

The media, not SJW media.

“They think its just inclusive PC and being a white woman is still a victim minority while making the token gesture.”

Not really.

“Now with so many men seeking the other races with flatter facial features, smooth skin and shiny hair, as well as the extra exposure from advertising, white women are finding their true level as only slightly more attractive than another man or animal.”

Men find women attractive for different reasons. This “true level” is actually arbitrary.

“Premature aging, labia like a panting dogs gums, spotty skin, big shoulders etc are going to make nobody really want them, even if they stop saying ‘AF’ at the end of everything and act demure again.”

No, men want women. It depends on what they want and how they want it.

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There are observably and provably cuck churches. Whether i adhere to the bible at all times is irrelevant as I am not the church. So what if societies change as prophesied in the bible and all major religions? That is all predicted and condemned in great detail in the bible. ‘Wives submit to your husband’, women treated as unreliable witness and a great falling away during end times or kali yuga. Most of the bible is admonishment and punishment for changing, ie doing what is expressly forbidden. But if you want to practice cuck christianity…

You may be right about the entire media now, i didnt see that the last time i had access to TV. the commercial stations are nowhere near as obsessed with showing diversity. The reason it is most often an asian woman is their focus groups choose that as most favourable because of physical attraction.

Yes of course men can want women for different things. When u hanker for grandmas home made meals or to buy you a BMW, a wrinkly old lady is perfect. Procreation inducing attraction, not so much.comment image

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“There are observably and provably cuck churches.”

Cuck is a made up term ginned up by the Alt Right. It is utterly meaningless to people who observe a faith. Simply put, you’re wrong.

“Whether i adhere to the bible at all times is irrelevant as I am not the church.”

The Bible is the sole provider of Truth. It is absolutely relevant.

“But if you want to practice cuck christianity…”

There is only Christianity, not “cuck Christianity”. You truly are embarrassing yourself here.

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Cuck is short for cuckold, a very real word. “Embarrassing yourself” is a made up term though. To be embarrassed is a feeling, and i do not feel that due to this discussion.

The bible can not be the sole provider of truth for anyone practising A faith. It can not even be the sole provider of anyone practising the christian faith as it does not cover all experiences. You are wrong because it is not wiki or google.

The bible states in proverbs 6.34 that a husbands jealous fury will show no mercy and take revenge. That is he will not be cuckolded. If you claim to be a christian and also that today’s western laws which do not penalise infidelity but do penalise the wrath of the man are progressive, you can only be practising cuckold christianity.

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“Cuck is short for cuckold, a very real word.”

Except in the context of it being used, it is manufactured and contrived.

“You have good reason to be embarrassed, but I will not presume you are embarrassed, because your faith of cultural marxism is impervious to reason.”

Strawman. I have no faith in cultural marxism, as it is also a concept that is overused and overblown.

“The bible can not be the sole provider of truth for anyone practising “a” faith (including all those which have other religious texts). It can not even be the sole provider of truth for anyone practising the christian faith as it does not cover all experiences.”

For those who have faith in God, of course the Bible is the sole provider of truth.

“The bible states in proverbs 6.34 that a husbands jealous fury will show no mercy and take revenge, that he will not be cuckolded.”

Take revenge on a man who has committed adultery. You do realize that PUA’s who have had sex with married women would be subject to this retribution, right? So if indeed you are not on board with taking those men to the woodshed for their heinous crimes, then you are part of the problem.

“If you claim to be a christian and also that today’s western laws which do not penalise infidelity but do penalise the wrath of the man…”

Of course western laws penalize infidelity. It’s called divorce court. And, as of 2017, adultery remains a criminal offense in 21 states.

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The context in which the word cuck is being used is not manufactured and contrived at all. It is akin to using the word ‘hungry’ to describe wanting something with great desire.

You certainly do have full faith in cultural marxism. Your every illogical post proves that. You come here to try and prove the merit of it to yourself. That you are not embarrassed by the failure, the way you are made to look foolish by having unsupported assertions refuted with logical reasons, proves that the only contrived term here is ’embarrassing yourself’.

The bible is not even the sole provider of truth for Christians, let alone members of other religions who all have faith in God or the many people who believe in God without subscribing to any belief system.

It is not for me to take any PUA to the woodshed. The bible in explaining how to not be a cuck church states it is for the husband to take revenge. Furthermore you refuse to ever acknowledge that the whole PUA scene lament that they are only making the best of a bad situation brought about by progressivism,and focus most of their attention on the difficulty of securing monogamy in this cultural marxist dystopia.

No Fault divorce was instituted in the 70s. That means divorce court does not penalise infidelity. Please show me the last time anyone was prosecuted for adultery in any (United?) State. Women in western countries usually say previous partners were abusive, coinciding with what is punished in our courts. Women in countries where divorce is not permitted but follow the biblical injunction that seperation is only permissible for adultery do not all invoke the word ‘abuse’, but say they were cheated on.

Obviously even if the court did punish adultery, that course is still cuckolding by the biblical standard of death penalty.

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“That you are not embarrassed by the failure, the way you are made to look foolish by having unsupported assertions refuted with logical reasons, proves that the only contrived term here is ’embarrassing yourself’.”

Disqualify, disqualify, disqualify.

“It is not for me to take any PUA to the woodshed.”

Of course it is your duty if you seek to preserve the West.

“The bible in explaining how to not be a cuck church states it is for the husband to take revenge.”

The Bible in explaining how a Christian husband should take revenge on his wife who cheated on him. Get it straight.

“Furthermore you refuse to ever acknowledge that the whole PUA scene lament that they are only making the best of a bad situation…”

No, they are making the situation WORSE by having their rutting instinct take over without marrying and siring offspring.

You are way out of your league here.

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When you are talking about there being no such thing as a cuck church, and i have shown you that churches today practice literal cuckolding through subservience to cultural marxist ‘progressivism’, the use of ‘cuck church’ by OP is in no way manufactured or contrived.

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“When you are talking about there being no such thing as a cuck church, and i have shown you that churches today practice literal cuckolding through subservience to cultural marxist ‘progressivism’, the use of ‘cuck church’ by OP is in no way manufactured or contrived.”

No, you have shown what YOU believe to be “literal cuckholding”. In other words, it is subjective on your part.

“You sound like a fish saying ‘water’ is not real. You have absolute faith in cultural marxism to the point you cannot concieve of its absence.”

I have absolute faith in that cultural marxism is overblown by the Alt Right as being an all powerful influence on American institutions.

“The bible is not even the sole source of truth for Christians, let alone other faiths which rely on other religious text while believing in God, or the many people who believe in God while not following a religion.”

The Bible is the sole source of truth for Christians. Whether they abide by those truths, or agree with those truths, is another matter.

“They all lament that that non attachment is only making the most of a bad situation brought on by so called progressivism.”

No. PUA’s want to pump and dump. That is their goal. It is noble on your part that you come to their defense.

“If they seek traditional monogamous relationship, why would they not take part in a biblical stoning of adultery as well as personally deal death without waiting? But you keep on finding ‘pumpndump’ instead of ‘sex positive’ the causal evil.”

The causal evil are men and women who engage in intercourse outside of marriage, as well as embrace the hookup culture.

“No Fault Divorce was instituted in the 70s and I doubt you can find a prosecution of Adultery in any (United of America?) State this century.”

Here is a case this century.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62581-2004Sep4.html

“Go through divorce court so she can keep the house to screw other guys in EVERY night, that’s not going to teach them.”

In 95% percent of divorce cases, there is a settlement outside of the court system in a fair manner.

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Literal cuckolding is not subjective on my part as the definition has no ambiguity.

The alt lite hold the same opinion of cultural marxisms degree of influence. When less than 20% of women now want to identify as feminist, they are dissatisfied with that form of cultural marxism. When a formerly 1 in a million psychiatric disorder becomes the basis for over riding the rest of the population, cultural marxism reigns supreme. That a cultural marxist is comfortable with any agenda associated with a promised utopia does not mean the near total take over is overblown. Words such as misogyny, rape , assault and abuse being expanded to include everyone is overblown.

Claiming the bible is the sole source of truth for Christians is as innacurate as claiming it is the sole source of truth for all other faiths. In the case of being cuckolded, a christian today turns to relevant local statute and its implenentation. In the case of his or her car breaking down, they turn to a repair manual for that model etc.

In claiming PUA only want to pump and dump you ignore their stated reasons such as most women having had too many partners and the too high risk of being ruined in the case of marriage or pregnancy. You also need to adress all the fixation on finding a partner safe to settle down and have children with. Try and explain your claim in reference to this article alone.

Hookup culture and fornication were demanded as the sexual revolution by feminists.

Your link from 13 yrs ago makes it clear they considered the charge an abberation to the norm and a reason to scrap the law they consider archaic. It is also only a misdemeanor, not the death penalty as proscribed in the bible.

Custody and property settlement happen because one party recieves legal aid and the other can not afford upwards of 100k fee for a trial. The thousands spent on reoresentation tell him he needs to settle not because of what is fair but because of the reality of what he will be awarded. If these settlements were fair to men there would not be 70-90% of divorces applied for by women. If it were fair that in 95% of seperation the women keep custody of the children and can cut the father off from his children at any time, PUA would not exist and male suicide outnumber womens at almost 5 to 1.

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“Literal cuckolding is not subjective on my part as the definition has no ambiguity.”

Except it is ambiguous on your part to unilaterally claim that there is Cuck Christianity. It’s simply Christianity.

“The alt lite hold the same opinion of cultural marxisms degree of influence today.”

Again, Cultural Marxism, or the general application of the Frankfurt School’s Marxist ideology to the social sciences, is an overblown generalization, a false narrative created by the Alt Right. You are peddling Fake News.

“In the case of being cuckolded, a christian today turns to relevant local statute and its implenentation, not the bible before acting.”

The Bible clearly stated that Christians adhere to the law of man in political matters. In religious concerns, the Bible is the standard. So there is no “cuckholding” taking place.

“In the case of his or her car breaking down, they turn to a repair manual for that model, if they have a medical problem they ask a learned doctor, etc.”

Which is irrelevant here.

“In claiming PUA only want to pump and dump you ignore their stated reasons for not having long relationships such as most women having had too many partners and the too high risk of being ruined in the case of marriage or pregnancy.”

No, there reasons are to rut without commitment. Moreover, if men are the superior sex, then they are to properly guide that woman. There is also the assumption that women have had too many cocks in their holes and are intellectually, spiritually, or mentally bankrupt. In other words, the PUA’s have built in excuses as to not settle down and raise a family.

“Hookup culture and fornication were demanded as the sexual revolution by feminists.”

No, hookup culture and fornication were the result of a sexual revolution cultivated by men and women equally.

The link from 13 yrs ago makes it clear they considered then the charge an abberation to the norm and a reason to scrap the law they consider archaic. It is also only a misdemeanor, not the death penalty as proscribed in the bible. Gulf States are another matter.

“Custody and property settlements happen because one party recieves legal aid and the other can not afford upwards of 100k fee for a trial.”

No. Both parties receive legal counsel. There is a meeting. If the husband and wife cannot agree on conditions, then it goes to trial.

“The thousands spent on representation tell him he needs to settle not because of what is fair but because of the reality of what he will be awarded by the feminist gynocentric court.”

Only 5% of all divorce cases head to court. The majority of those cases go here because of custody issues or asset concerns.

“If these settlements were fair to men there would not be 70-90% of divorces applied for by women.”

One does not cause the other.

“If it were fair that in 95% of seperation the women keep custody of the children and can cut the father off from his children at any time, PUA would not exist.”

Your statistic is overblown. Moreover, fathers are not denied access to their own children, as the settlement dictates exactly when they see them. Stop lying.

“and male suicide outnumber womens at almost 5 to 1.”

Suicide occurs for a host of reasons, one of which is divorce.

You’re just not that bright.

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People who can`t deal with reality, and would rather give in to emotional feel good explanations tend to use term like cynical and critical etc. when dealing with issues and evidence they don`t like.

There is a clear distinction between simply making an observation, and behaving in manner congruent with that observation. In other words, what Roosh is saying is true,based on evidence, disregarding whether he lives like that himself. (People do evolve though.)

Demanding a women with few to no partners is simply being in tune with reality and taking the consequences of biological difference between the sexes.

As for the statistics, I`m sure there are some issues with them but things like Vegas weddings and so on is probably insignificant as a percentage of total marriages. The statistic below from the CDC in 1995 (when things where better than today) shows that 80 percent women who never had sex before marriage are in a stable marriage, while the same is true for only 30 percent of women that had 5 non-marital sex partners.
The women with fewer partners also felt more content, which is in line with other research on declining female happiness in Feminized countries.

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“Wow, this is… intensely cynical and hypercritical. You have such high standards of sexual fidelity for your ideal wife, yet you clearly don’t meet those standards yourself. ”

Derp. Could it actually be that men and women don’t lead the same existences, thus it’s not hypocritical at all? Certainly. Go see who files first for divorce, a resoundingly higher percentage of women, because it’s been incentivized, and now indoctrinated through legislation to file for divorce. Self preservation isn’t greedy, it’s baser level logic. Again. Derp.

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I stopped reading when he compared dating to job interviews and buying cars…

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Dating IS like a friggin job interview. The only thing that’s “fun” about them is when you succeeded (ie. got the job or got the poosy)

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Maybe the job fits more but the car not at all.
However dating should be fun. I dunno I guess that’s just me. Yes there’s awkwardness and nervousness but you really don’t know if you like someone unless you date them.

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Dude, you clearly are lost. If you believe dating is an “interview”, it comes across to the woman, and she is going to properly next your sorry ass.

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an ex-gf says she loves first dates because -> “it’s like a job interview”
same reason I hate it.
And will never do again…

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Great! More for us real men.

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“for us real men”?

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!

Damn dude… talk about mental illness. Like I said, seek help.

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You are a drain to my society.

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Your society? It seems like I don’t even need to go to your “society” because the only society you need to surround yourself is with other mental patients in mental institute.

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It’s not a direct comparison, you idiot; it’s an analogy.

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You sir are the idiot. It’s a terrible analogy. Comparing something that one person fully makes the decision to one that’s shared is dumb.

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I give the Muslims (and other groups) credit for sticking with their arranged marriages.

I get`s the job done at least. As long as it`s not abusive relationships I`m all for it.
Also it means children are born to young mothers, which is imperative in order to produce healthy offspring. Really 35+ pregnancies should be outlawed.

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Trouble is a lot of Muslims marry near relations so not so healthy .

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Hindus pretty much do the arranged marriage thing correctly. The vast majority appear to have happy, healthy and stable families.

In fact, the formula is so successful that there are now 1.2 billion of them (not including a massive diaspora) with no signs of slowing down!

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1.2 billion while exporting millions every year, which is why they have been targetted for A21. In the 80s and 90s, every indian girl saved herself for marriage. In 2005 i met an indian student who was getting drunk and sleeping around every weekend, first i knew of. Now india is fully feminised of the middle class and cities, with women lynching men with impunity.

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You’re being overdramatic. I would suggest taking acting classes to hone that skill.

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“Really 35+ pregnancies should be outlawed.”

No.

“More and more children are born with damaged genetics due to mutations building up in the reproductive cells (gametes) way longer than nature intended.”

Sources.

“Culturally it`s normalized to have kids at 37, but that`s a full 20 years later than what would be the norm through literally millions of years of hominid history.”

No.

“Really all women should have their last child before the age of 30.”

Are you really this dense?

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So many children have to suffer the consequences of Feminism etc. leading to delayed childbirth.
Just saying no without an argument is not very clever.

Do you really think hunter-gatherer women had children at 37?
The average lifespan was shorter than that even.
But I guess you deny that hominids existed for millions of years prior to civilization.

In order to have adaptation you must have mutations in the genetic material. That`s why evolution has fine tuned the mutation rate to correlate with the age that any animal has offspring. Most oxidative damage can in fact be dealt with by the cells repair mechanisms, but is allowed (selected for) to build up. Otherwise, when the environment changes abruptly, you can`t adapt and will go extinct. (Like the vast majority of species.)
All animals, including humans (as observed also in hunter-gatherers) have children immediately after puberty. So 15-20 would be the norm. You also see this in lesser developed countries, with less feminism-modernity.

From wikipedia;
A woman’s risk of having a baby with chromosomal abnormalities increases with her age. Down syndrome is the most common chromosomal birth defect, and a woman’s risk of having a baby with Down syndrome is:[5]
At age 20, 1 in 1,441
At age 25, 1 in 1,383
At age 30, 1 in 959
At age 35, 1 in 338
At age 40, 1 in 84
At age 45, 1 in 32
At age 50, 1 in 44

But much more important than this are the smaller mutations on a level of loci/alleles, down to a single nucleotide. For example a mutation in a single gene like the slc1a1 is observed in many mental disorders like OCD, schizophrenia etc. Slc1a2, epilepsy, ALS etc. We are talking about a singe nucleotide here, but for the person inflicted it can mean a destroyed life. The chances of having these gene mutations are negligible if you have a 17 yo mother. (There are some things you can do diet wise that will help, unfortunately that advice is not given to patients in general.)

Bottom line, nature/biology is pretty unforgiving, and it`s easy to scoff at these things when you don`t have to suffer the consequences yourself.

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“So many children have to suffer the consequences of Feminism etc. leading to delayed childbirth.”

Assuming that the consequences occurs for most women who have children above a certain age. The risk factors are higher, but that does not mean a baby will be born with issues.

“In order to have adaptation you must have mutations in the genetic material. That`s why evolution has fine tuned the mutation rate to correlate with the age that an animal has offspring. Most oxidative damage can in fact be dealt with by the cells repair mechanisms, but is allowed (selected for) to build up. Otherwise, when the environment changes abruptly, you can`t adapt and will go extinct. (Like the vast majority of species.)”

Human beings are having babies. We are not going extinct.

“All animals, including humans (as observed also in hunter-gatherers) have children immediately after puberty. So 15-20 would be the norm.”

If we were living hundreds of thousands of years ago.

“Bottom line, nature/biology is pretty unforgiving, and it`s easy to scoff at these things when you don`t have to suffer the consequences yourself.”

Except men and women have the liberty to decide if and when to have children. You don’t get to decide, thankfully.

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“Assuming that the consequences occurs for most women who have children above a certain age. The risk factors are higher, but that does not mean a baby will be born with issues.”

Yes they will always have issues. No exceptions. Even if those issue are just being a bit slower, or not as talented etc. They are not what they would have been. As I said many smaller ailments and risk factors for diseases/states later in life.

“Human beings are having babies. We are not going extinct.”

The vast majority of species that have existed through the history of life have gone extinct. And at least 28 different hominids that we know of. If the fertility rate is for example 1.4 you will obviously not have enough people eventually. You need 2 humans to make a baby you know!

“If we were living hundreds of thousands of years ago.”

Are you even bothering to read anything I write?
Biology doesn`t care about cultural norms. As far as our genes are concerned we are still hunter-gatherers.

“Except men and women have the liberty to decide if and when to have children. You don’t get to decide, thankfully.”

And it will hurt their children to some extent. Often greatly.
Whether they realize it or not, disregarding what the law says, this is the objective reality.

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“Yes they will always have issues. No exceptions.”

Only those infants who were born with problems to older women. It does not mean that in every single case an older woman is going to have a child with issues.

“If the fertility rate is for example 1.4 you will obviously not have enough people eventually.”

That does not represent other groups of people who have higher fertility rates. Regardless, the human race nor white people are going extinct anytime soon because of this “lack of replacement”.

“Biology doesn`t care about cultural norms. As far as our genes are concerned we are still hunter-gatherers.”

Modern day hunter-gatherers who focus on building societies. If you want to emphasize biology, go right ahead.

“And it will hurt their children to some extent. Often greatly.”

Only those children born with an issue.

“Whether they realize it or not, disregarding what the law says, this is the objective reality.”

Objective reality for those children born with an issue.

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-I can compromise on most things, but not on the fact that all children born to older mother`s will be less than what they would be, ability wise and also health wise than children of younger moms. (There is a baseline rate of DNA damage.)
There are many things you can theoretically do to avoid damage to germline DNA, but partying you`re 20s away as most women do today will not help. Sugar, cigarettes and booze etc=increased damage.

-We stopped being hunter-gatherers when we stopped hunting and gathering I would say. There still are a few but…

-Of course I agree that some groups have a high fertility rate,(as opposed to Whites) and that is a well explored
“problem” on this site as you know.
But whites are diminishing fast though. From 22 percent of global pop. mid 20th century to currently about 9, and estimates with current fertility rates are app. 1-2 percent by the end of this century. I agree that it will probably change eventually, but I think i will get a lot worse before that.

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You meant to say that children born to older mother`s COULD BE less than what they would be, ability wise and also health wise than children of younger moms IF their offspring has problems.

“but partying you`re 20s away as most women do today will not help.”

You mean some men and women who in their 20s party their life away.

“From 22 percent of global pop. mid 20th century to currently about 9, and estimates with current fertility rates are app. 1-2 percent by the end of this century”

Thanks to technology and personal decisions.

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-This is not down to luck. There are other things than age than can effect the health of the fetus/child, but age will always have the effect of accumulated damage.

-I talked about partying in the context of accelerated DNA damage, not to moralize.

-Technology is a consequence of genetics-evolution.

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Yes, age can affect the health of the fetus/child…IF he/she is born with a defect or has issues.

And of course you are moralizing here–the potential DNA damage due to men and women partying ought to stop in order for healthier offspring to be sired by this group of people.

Technology is also a consequence of environment and of human needs.

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He is correct as there are risks for children and mother after age thirty:

“A study of all births in California in the 1990s by the University of California Davis Health System found an increased risk of autism in children born to mothers over the age of 30. The study, published in 2010 in the journal Autism Research, found that with every five-year increase in mother’s age, the risk of having a child with autism increased by 18 percent.”

“The risk for chromosomal abnormalities, such as Down syndrome, increases with advanced maternal age. The risk increases from approximately 0.5 percent at age 37 to 3.5 percent at age 44, according to American Family Physician.”

“As a woman gets older, she experiences normal age-related health risks, including high blood pressure and diabetes. In pregnancy, there is a risk for developing gestational diabetes and increased blood pressure, and these risks increase with advanced maternal age. ”

https://www.livestrong.com/article/368601-risks-of-having-a-baby-over-age-30/

You demonstrate intelligence yet your responses frequently are derisive and seldom provide facts. I am left to conclude, you are a man of above average intelligence with little patience for what you deem ignorant, or a woman.

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If that’s what nature intended, then why are women able to conceive later than 30?

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See response to Anti-Gnostic above.
Intended is a colloquial term, so my fault.
(Much) longer than what was the norm is a better way of putting it.

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Since I’m not plugged into a church community or traditional social circle, this means that I’ll be stuck on the more shallow end of relationships with women, an outcome that is not ideal, but one that I’ll accept far more eagerly than using dating as a means to find someone I could be with for the rest of my life.

Funny you mention a church community as an option, since the Christian environment is almost as bad these days as the secular, especially in Prostestant/Evangelical circles. It really is discouraging for a Christian man like me who really wants to marry a Christian woman, but finds they are hardly better prospects than their non-Christian sisters.

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Orthodox Christianity is the last resort for true believers.

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“Orthodox Christianity is the last resort for true believers.”

False characterization. Hundreds of millions of people who adhere to a particular faith are true believers. You don’t have the capacity nor the authority to state otherwise.

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Bravo, sir.

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Having dated women from those circles, I concur. The religious “image” doesn’t change the true nature of women.

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It is not meant to change their true nature. But to repress it; restraint it from emerging.
Just like it is natural by nature for me to beat up people who gets in my nerves, but the law repress that primal instinct in me.

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It depends, really. If you pop into the first Christian church you come upon, yes, you will find that to be the case. You have to dig around and find a very conservative one. In my town, there are over a hundred churches, but only three or four are conservative and truly hold to traditional biblical principles.

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Lot’s of really great insight here.

100% correct on the cultural aspect of the dating scene. I completely agree that “driving 100 cars before you buy” will program someone psychologically to continually look – even well after they have chosen one great car or truck to buy.
Also, the feminist-driven “women can have it all” and “you go independent girl” mantras certainly don’t help. As ROK successfully conveys, our culture and
media shun relationships, and promote a “girl, you have it all right now”
culture for women.

To add to what Roosh is saying here, I just don’t think girls today are mentally, emotionally, or morally capable of “drawing that line in the sand,” whereas they find a great guy who is 80% / 90% compatible with them, and work to make the commitment to be with him – even while they are dating.

Relationships are just not that important to them anymore – our society has changed, and the values of the 1950’s / early 60’s are long-gone my friends.

Of course, the temptation – and opportunities – to be with someone else when you are in a relationship will always be there. But (in my humble opinion) it takes a certain type of character, maturity, selflessness, integrity, and emotional
strength to make a relationship work in the long run. I also believe these virtues are essentially non-existent in American girls/women today.

Dating in an American culture; it’s like trying to build a new house, but the cement from the foundation is never able to fully dry.

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“As ROK successfully conveys, our culture and media shun relationships, and promote a “girl, you have it all right now” culture for women.”

You mean the PUA lifestyle shuns relationships.

“But (in my humble opinion) it takes a certain type of character, maturity, selflessness, integrity, and emotional strength to make a relationship work in the long run. I also believe these virtues are essentially non-existent in American girls/women today.”

Those virtues are clearly found in American girls/women today. You are completely undervaluing them.

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“You mean the PUA lifestyle shuns relationships.”

(Maybe, but I don’t practice game…yet)

“Those virtues are clearly found in American girls/women today. You are completely undervaluing them.”

(I would love to know where they are. Probably the in the Midwest, but certainly not in the city I live in. Maybe this is true with overweight girls with low self esteem though. You think I should date some fattys eh?

Gnostic, if you feel compelled to criticize – which you appear have done to others in this thread on comments you disagree with – that is fair enough but also offer up some solutions and/or insight.

What about the rest of my column…anything at all there you agreed with?)

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As if the social-scape for men and women are the same, they’re not. If they were, apps like Bumble wouldn’t even exist. Egalitarianism gets you nowhere here, because it isn’t reality for the vast aggregate of society.

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“I often get emails from both men and women who want marriage but are struggling with the dating scene. Mainstream culture has taught them to essentially become a detached professional negotiator who plays endless psychological games while interacting with 1,000 or more potential partners in the hopes that one will work out.”

Honestly, men are huge contributors to this issue. Why do we have to be borderline sociopaths and play endless psychological games to land a partner? Because women are entitled. Why are women entitled? Because of men.

Most of the men I meet are thirsty, mindless drones who want nothing but to get their dicks wet. In order to do so, they often flatter the hell out of undesirable women just to get laid. They’ll even become beta orbiters if it means their female master will let them hit it for being a good friend one day, after she’s been plowed by dozens of alpha males who are in the top 10 percentile look-wise. Men hit the like button on mediocre or ugly women’s Instagram posts. They look into the women’s eyes and tell them they’re stunning.

I thought it was bad in the US, but man, I moved to another country and the men here disgust me. They inflate whales’ egos left and right, and sometimes sleep with fat chicks secretly, hiding it from their friends/the public in general. There is a surplus of beta orbiters here to the point where women are selective with who they choose to be their beta orbiters (I know, sounds absurd. But it’s true, trust me).

These days, there are times during which I gain more satisfaction humbling a woman than I would gain sleeping with her. I always find myself in positions where I can either take her nonsense to get laid, or put her in her place and leave empty-handed. Lately, I’ve been doing the latter more often out of my perceived sense of civic duty. We need to humble these women. I’m not compromising my values to get laid anymore.

This goes out to all the thirsty men who inflate women’s egos, empowering them to be entitled, nasty creatures. Do whatever you need to do to stop yourself from DM-ing that whale, or ugly/mediocre-looking girl. Masturbate to suppress your thirst. Develop a system in which your friends need to approve of your lays. Whatever it takes to regain the ability to think with your head, and not with your dick.

If we were to unite and give women less attention, it would drain their egos and standards would go back to being mutually reasonable. I know this will never happen, but a man can hope. About 6 years ago, attractive women would approach me at night venues and I slept with them with mediocre game. I surely took that for granted.

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“Most of the men I meet are thirsty, mindless drones who want nothing but to get their dicks wet. In order to do so, they often flatter the hell out of undesirable women just to get laid.”

Be thankful for Game rather than denigrate it.

“Men hit the like button on mediocre or ugly women’s Instagram posts. They look into the women’s eyes and tell them they’re stunning.”

Clear projection on your part here.

“I know, sounds absurd. But it’s true, trust me).”

No, it’s absurd.

“I always find myself in positions where I can either take her nonsense to get laid, or put her in her place and leave empty-handed. Lately, I’ve been doing the latter more often out of my perceived sense of civic duty. We need to humble these women. I’m not compromising my values to get laid anymore.”

Bravo. More for us.

“About 6 years ago, attractive women would approach me at night venues and I slept with them with mediocre game.”

Sure you did, Sport.

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What’s with the passive-aggressive, gay sarcasm? He’s not projecting, because I’ve observed the same thing on a daily basis. Social media is crawling with thirsty tards upvoting women for making totally unremarkable statements because they think flattery will get them laid.

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White knighting is so much your color.

“Social media is crawling with thirsty tards upvoting women for making totally unremarkable statements because they think flattery will get them laid.”

You are clearly misinterpreting men’s actions here.

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Based on your response, I’ve concluded that you are a beta orbiter yourself. No need to defend it, if you’re really that desperate to get laid, you do you.

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How cute coming to One Man’s Chorus defense. Only proves that you are reeking of gamma.

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After reading your posts here, I am convinced you’re a gay troll.

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That’s all you got? That’s why you remain on the D team. Come up with a witty retort rather than a standard line used by gammas.

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“You may be one of the lucky few who got dating to work, likely from meeting someone in your social circle, but for every one success story, there are a dozen people who are failing or will fail in their marriage goals.”

And lets be honest, almost every time I hear a guy talk about how “he got lucky and actually found a good girl” we laugh on the inside and think of him as either willfully ignorant or just a dumb ass. Not without good reason

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“”every time I hear a guy talk about how “he got lucky and actually found a good girl” we laugh on the inside”” < not because we belittle the man, but because more often than not, a statement like that marks the count-down to LTR split or divorce.

I've learned a sure-fire way to extract the truth of a woman's conditional love, and just how "conditional" it will become down the road, is slowly begin interjecting how game-concepts work in other peoples' relationships you know, and listen to her response, or disregard. I've become incredibly thrifty in indirectly letting a girl I'm dating know I'm onto her bullshit, if there is any, but in the west, there almost always is.

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“And lets be honest, almost every time I hear a guy talk about how “he got lucky and actually found a good girl” we laugh on the inside and think of him as either willfully ignorant or just a dumb ass. Not without good reason.”

Actually, the joke is on you.

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“Actually, the joke is on you.”

lol, tell us about your enduring marriage and happy home teeming with healthy, well-adjusted children.

or just keep shitposting your narcissitic injury away, dozens of times, every time Roosh hits Post. it’s hilarious.

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“lol, tell us about your enduring marriage and happy home teeming with healthy, well-adjusted children.”

Why are you mad, bro?

“or just keep shitposting your narcissitic injury away, dozens of times, every time Roosh hits Post. it’s hilarious.”

As your superior on the social-sexual hierarchy–dude, seriously, grow a pair and build your yourself up again. Buy Gorilla Mindset. It will help you immensely with your self-esteem problems.

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Here’s the thing with dating: If she’s not a virgin, she’s no one’s unicorn. If you manage to meet a virgin, she may bang the day you meet her. Congrats you landed your unicorn. Just because she banged right away, you lucked out. Don’t back off or she’ll be an alpha widow. Go it through with your instant unicorn and lay down the wisdom and the rules. She’s fresh popped and she’s all open ears.

If you meet the same said virgin but expect to draw it out over several dates, you have to leave her all tingled up but unpopped and unclaimed meanwhile until your next date with her. She’ll play with herself meanwhile and re evaluate her own value and she’ll fantisize the possibilities. Wrong. She’ll stray. Paleo caveman game was about the instant unicorn. Paleo diet is good too. But like the caveman, if she’s virgin and tingly for you, then freshly pop her if she’s fresh to pop and then put her under your wing ASAP and put her to work immediately doing domestic duties in your castle which she’ll love doing since it’s all new to her and since it all comes in conjunction with her newfound bodily facets which she also quickly begins to enjoy tremendously.

Backing off from a lucky instant v unicorn is a lame reaction – kind of like getting nervous and backing off after a successful approach on a ho. But she’s not a ho, not yet so long as you don’t flake and leave her to be an alpha widow. She’s your newfound unicorn bitch monkey so put that newfound bitch monkey to work. Laundry, organizing your shit, arranging the spoon drawer, doesn’t matter. That’s fresh new pussy and it’s open and it’s yours. Lucky sumbuck. Teach her the way the KING likes his balls drained. Remember * she’s * all * ears. Lay some crazy righteous rules down. Anything flies.

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You have a bizarre way of looking at things. No wonder you are still single.

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Lol! You are bent but you have it!

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In a less than eloquent way, you basically argue for virginity and subsequent household formation. Not a bad idea, and I agree, but unrealistic in this culture. I’ve gone from here to Prague and back again, I’ve had one virgin since 2000. You’d might as well look for Bigfoot.

Basic player theory is to seek out the quick bang in order to both evaluate the subject but also to choose or choose not to continue on with said subject. This is precisely the reverse of what you’re taught, which puts all of the power in the hands of the woman. Perhaps this is a better path?

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Live-in relationships between men and women are unnatural. We are not designed to be with one woman only. We are not even designed to be with them for more than the duration of the sexual intercourse. Marriages are only possible as products of the culture when they socio-economic conditions demand it. So if the culture supports the union it will work, if it does not (as out current culture) then it won’t work. It’s a simple as that.

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“Live-in relationships between men and women are unnatural.”

Of course they are natural. Western Civilization depends on it.

“We are not designed to be with one woman only. We are not even designed to be with them for more than the duration of the sexual intercourse.”

YOU, not we.

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Western Civilization DOES depend on it. But that doesn’t mean it is natural.

In the past men of wisdom forced an unnatural lifetime pair-bonding social structure PRECISELY for the reason of allowing civilization to bloom. And for a myriad of reasons society has now abandoned that covenant and we see men and women regressing to their feral states.

What you are seeing now (hookup culture, 80% of women getting on with 20% of men, etc.) IS natural but also not good for civilization building and maintenance.

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“In the past men of wisdom forced an unnatural lifetime pair-bonding social structure PRECISELY for the reason of allowing civilization to bloom.”

There was no force here, nor was it unnatural.

“And for a myriad of reasons society has now abandoned that covenant and we see men and women regressing to their feral states.”

Assuming that what you describe is accurate regarding the “feral state” of men and women.

“What you are seeing now (hookup culture, 80% of women getting on with 20% of men, etc.) IS natural but also not good for civilization building and maintenance.”

Where do you get those percentages from?

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“Men like myself greatly enjoy the sex rewards that come with dating, but am I really going to marry the woman who slept with me on the first date and who will kiss my son with a mouth that has been gagged on by over a dozen cocks? I rather be single, and apparently, a lot of other men too.”

And yet self-serving “playboys” like yourself are creating your own pathetic self-deluded “misery” by not being able to control your lil’ “ding a’ling” in your pants fornicating with these women and then having effeminate “nerve” to “complain about them like “crybabies” when you are creating the VERY MESS you complain about.

It’s YOUR FAULT these women you complain about turn out the way they have, Roosh.

Quit having sex with these women then!!!!!!!!!!

Huh? That’s what I thought: YOU CAN’T! You don’t have (or rather “don’t want to have”) the ability to control your unwise sexual desires but must go out and “bang, bang, bang…”

It’s fornicating “players” like you perpetuating this degradation in Western society and then you cry “Woe is me!” Boohoohoo. I pity you not.

Bunch of “effeminate” crybabies lol.

Get real man… Smh.

I can’t respect you on this Mr. Roosh. It’s trifling on your part and you know this.

LEAD by example!

You want your “virgin wife” when you have had sexual relations with countless women yourself? Lol, tch… You missed the ship long ago.

The only woman a man like you should get is “one of your own kind”.

Don’t “defile” an innocent virgin woman with your wicked sexual sins and lusts so another man loses his prize from a thief like you.

She belongs to the man whose kept himself “pure” for proper marriage.

You don’t deserve a Christian virgin wife ye wicked heathen man.

Stay away from them. Amen!

~ Bro. Jed

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Another fool that judge what he do not understand.

He is not a monk that made vow of celibacy. If 90% of western women have been corrupted by western society to be pro slut, where he is suposed to find the non slut, to date correctly.

But feel free to marry the western misandrists feminists sluts, and enjoy allimony without the right to see your kids. Unless you pay more of course.

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No, he is a man who ought to be able to control one’s rutting instinct and demonstrate the superiority of men. Obviously he, and you, failed.

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It doesn’t matter, it’s all about the environment where you live.

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And the environment is not as bad as some people claim it to be.

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Hey women kill ,mens children with reckless abandonment, demand control over their bodies unless they want to attach a child to a males wallet… I say bang as many as you can, use birth control and STD management and toss them to the curb:)
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Exactly why you are a detriment to Western Civilization and a menace to the human race. You must go back.

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Right… I am not out killing or making children… I just use womens rules against them smilecomment image

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They aren’t “women’s rules”, they are your excuses as to why you ought to act contrary to Western Civilization.

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Western culture you mean like millions of abortions, murdering of males off spring legally except when women want to attach it to a mans wallet? Women love to accuse men of being violent and perpetrators of domestic violence… What is more violent and heinous than killing a mans or your child because of eye color, gender, mad at father or just inconvenient in your life at the moment… I don’t fall for that illusion or this one;
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“Western culture you mean like millions of abortions, murdering of males
off spring legally except when women want to attach it to a mans wallet?”

Western Civilization, as in marrying and raising a family by way of Christian faith.

“Women love to accuse men of being violent and perpetrators of domestic
violence…”

Certainly some women make unfounded accusations, but there are dozens of cases where men are indeed vicious and cruel in a marriage.

“What is more violent and heinous than killing a mans or your
child because of eye color, gender, mad at father or just inconvenient
in your life at the moment… I don’t fall for that illusion or this
one;”

So now we know you are opposed to abortion. Wonderful. You still are a drain on our society if you are single and childless. I understand hate facts hurt, but they are for your own good.

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Western Civilization is in decline because of the deliberate destruction of women, Miss Anti Truth. Even if perhaps, you adhered to its principles as a female, too many of your sisters do not and will not due to the false toxic concepts pushed on them their entire lives. The future is devolution.

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Well said.

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So it’s like pussy carousel is over and you can’t find good woman, eh? What woman want to be the second choice, after sluts?

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What woman in late 20s or older isn’t a slut? Maybe a few widows, that’s about it.

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What man in late 20s or older who’s single and dating isn’t a drain on Western Civilization?

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If they are economically productive members of society, why would they be a drain, dating or not?

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“but since most of my readers are under 40”

I’m in my late 40’s so I think it is prudent at this point to skip reading articles on game for me.

The very begining of Esther Vilar’s book “The Manipulated Man” starts with a short few sentences of her dedication:

“This book is dedicated to all those whom it does not mention: to the few men who refuse to be manipulated, to the few women who are not venal and all those fortunate enough to have lost their market value because they are either too old, too ugly, or too ill.”

I became red pilled starting in the early 1990s, so I qualified to be in the first category of Ms. Vilar’s dedication. But I think at my age I now occupy both the first and now the third category (too old).

I guess this is why I enjoy seeing women who were once hot in their prime turn into saggy titted grandmas. At least I look damned good for my age now.

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“At least I look damned good for my age now.”

Sure, Whatever.

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I’m marrying off my kids early.

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That mapped proved islam is not immune. Shocked to see saufi egypt n turkey to be that high.
And chances are as a westerner youll get the most westernized gurls there if u do.

Colombia n veitnam seem better

End of the day its the man. Westetners have the worst habits hence our culture

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“LET ME TAKE TIME OUT OF DICKING THOTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THOTTERY”

you’re part of the cancer, lol.

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You are an ignorant.

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In 2017 I found it best to invite a woman straight to the house, if she doesn’t want to do that than NEXT

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Maybe it is time to start a red pill dating site only for those who want to find life partner. There should be some strictly rules – no attention whoring aloud.Women more than man and only those who are ready to accept red pill truths. Women should want to submit to man, and understand that relationships have many boundaries and it’s opposite to “freedom”. That’s the only way – through deep understanding. The old way through powerful submission , sometimes even against her will, will NEVER WORK AGAIN. Those times are gone.

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“There should be some strictly rules – no attention whoring aloud.”

Is that not what you are doing now?

“Women more than man and only those who are ready to accept red pill truths.”

Not “red pill truths”, but what is believed by some men to be truth.

“Women should want to submit to man, and understand that relationships have many boundaries and it’s opposite to “freedom”.”

How archaic and totalitarian of you to say.

“The old way through powerful submission , sometimes even against her will, will NEVER WORK AGAIN. Those times are gone.”

Good riddance.

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My ideal type of wife-material woman died as a bride of Christ 586 years ago.comment image

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and virgin smile

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That’s what I meant by “bride of Christ”.comment image

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The whole things a sham. Didn’t exist outside of pre-marital courtship before the degenerate revolutions. Anyways, sucks that you lost your comment feed for ROK, just don’t replace it with a social media platform based one.

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Seriously, and I am not joking, if you are a man who wants nothing more then a wife that loves you and respects that produces as many children as desired or restricted by biology then join the Mormon Church. And no I am not a Mormon but I spent many years in a mainstream Mormon community. You will get married most likely before the age of 22 but your bride is going to most likely be a virgin. And because she didn’t spend years polluting her veins withe various poisons of vice most Mormon women are good looking. They do go through a princess phase but once that first kid pops out that is all over.

Of course, you have to put up with the strict moral and religious code. You are going to have to believe in some things that are sort of hard to believe. If you travel the world it is going to be doing missionary work. And if you don’t like your wife you can NEVER leave her in a religious sense. Not even in the after life. And if you do leave her in this then you will be excommunicated from the Church and basically your entire family and most of your friends will never speak with you again.

So use caution. But I think the only viable route to marriage and children that still exists is the Mormon Church.

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Thank you for your advertisement of the Mormon Church. But men and women have alternative, viable routes to marriage and children they feel most comfortable with.

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You’re not alone because of dating, you’re alone for the same reason all these 40 year old feminists are alone – you had too much to choose from.

If you didn’t know about game you would have found a geek by now and would have had a few children. But you just got addicted to banging new girls (I know the feeling)

You met enough good girls that would have made great wives, you just got bored with them (you described many of them in this very blog!) So don’t blame it on dating and smartphones – blame it on yourself.

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He meet women that were dating addict, they could not be trusted. When society prone promiscuity and the girl you date is incited to play around you cannot settle. Most women in the west have dated too much no point in dating these corrupted women seriously or even marrying them, it will only end in divorce.

They are bad longterm investment.

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Of course you are being absurd. Do you realize it?

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I know dating “culture” from American films and series like The Huxtables. I didn’t realize that this is so bad. As Middle European who had still the possibility to get a Husband through family and circles I don’t understand what is the difference between dating in the US and organized meetings for two in an open area talk about issues in common for an eventual later marriage.
Could sb. of the users explain it to me, please?

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Roosh I know this is of topic but I recommend you to Listen to this radio host from a Mexican radio station that bashes women and how bad they are and also debates with them and also gives men advice on how not to let yourself be mistreated by women it’s called los 15 del doggy

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Mating doesnt work!
Dating does work

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Roosh, I don’t know if you read Takimag. Check out a new article titled Feminism and the Decline of America, by a Mr. Degroot.

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Orthodox Christianity

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Is but one option.

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Name 3 more.

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Baptist.

Roman Catholic.

Presbyterian.

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The Orthodox Church has been observing the rites without reformation since the 3rd century. All of those “faiths” are heretical.

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“Cucked” is an overused term. It means observably nothing of substance when it comes to religion.

“The Orthodox Church has been observing the rites without reformation since the 3rd century.”

Which, as I correctly stated, is but one option.

“All of those “faiths” are heretical.”

According to who? You are going to have to offer more insight here rather than standard lines. Start out by defining heretical, offer examples, and explain in what specific instances those three religions I stated are heretical. Go…

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Google the definition. It is not my job to educate you on stuff that is easily accessible. This is why you will be forever alone.

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“Google the definition. It is not my job to educate you on stuff that is easily accessible. This is why you will be forever alone.”

No, no, no, that’s not how a debate starts. You were the one who made a claim. I called you out on it. Now it’s time to deliver.

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LOL. Are you going to compel me to debate you on the internet?

Is this your first day online or something? LOL

TOO CUTE!

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Again, own up to the claim rather than engage in SJW deflection tactics. Or perhaps you are way in over your head intellectually. It’s OK to admit that you lack the mental horsepower to debate.

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SJW. LOL.

Yes, you are much smarter than me. That is why you are begging me to debate you online. Because you’re really a secret member of MENSA. LOL

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“That is why you are begging me to debate you online.”

Requesting is not begging. Are you that neck deep in SJWism?

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Go back to the CATO Institute kid.

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Typical. You talk big, then when given an opportunity to back up your words, you resort to SJW tactics, like name calling and finding a safe space. Why even mention something if you are unwilling to back up your claim? Is resorting to ad hominem your “go to”? You say you love the Lord, is there something troubling you as to why you are acting in this manner?

Let me help. Here is a primer on how to effectively debate.

http://debate-central.ncpa.org/the-12-best-debate-tips-weve-ever-heard/

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You should read “Rhetoric” by Aristotle. The reason why you lose arguments all the time is because you are trapped in dialectic.

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You called for dialectic. Now you are desperately hiding behind rhetoric. You truly have the SJW playbook down pat.

Obviously the problem here is you are part of the majority of the population who is impervious to statistics, eyewitness testimony, and documentary evidence. Considering your ability to resist observable reality, how susceptible do you think you are likely to be able to grasp logical thinking?

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Ah yes, I am part of the majority of humanity who doesn’t let my autism get the better of me.

LOL

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I thought that as a Christian man who would refrain from ad hominem attacks. What is there personally troubling you as to why you are acting in this unChristian manner?

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Ad hominem is part of rhetoric. LOL

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Peculiar how you focus on that part rather than acknowledging how ad hominem is other than Christian.

It bears repeating–YOU called for dialectic. Now you are desperately hiding behind rhetoric. You truly have the SJW playbook down pat.

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It’s good to find an 18-year old Vietnamese chick that’s been plowing a rice field for 11 years. If she has disjointed teeth, even better.

She’ll keep you balls drained and rice on the table.

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Love ya’ to death bud.
You know the strange thing about your journey?
You started of as a hedonist guy who just wants pleasure and gratification. Now you’ve come full circle to a traditional virtually religious mindset. One of the spiritual icons whose books you are reading said words to the affect ‘ ..this world is like drinking salt water, never quenches your thirst, never enough.’
You’ve learnt that not through intellectual discourse, but sheer experience.

And that’s the best way.

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No, he learned that he will eventually hit the wall and thus require a “recalibration”. Roosh still wants his pleasure and gratification.

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