Death Of The Natural

Thirty years ago, your mother would have given vague answers when describing why she became attracted to your father. He would then have given even vaguer answers when describing how he got your mom. They would speak through rosy and determinist glasses about how their love was a foregone conclusion or “meant to be.” Back then, human psychology wasn’t developed to the point where either could dive into the micro of their seduction like we can today.

For the last girl I banged, I can give you a list of keys to the bang that enabled me to put my penis inside her, most of which didn’t involve luck or fate or butterflies in the stomach. I saw my target, approached her with a ruthlessly optimized process, and then extracted her using logistical tricks I’ve honed over the years. It has happened where girls signal interest before I strike, but most of the time I’m making bangs happen that wouldn’t have proceeded “naturally.”

A lot of game denialists say that you’re not actually using game when banging girls, that the girl already likes you. “You get laid in spite of your game, not because of it.” Thirty years ago, I would have absolutely believed this to be true. If your mother didn’t get initial attention from your father, she would try again using various social or professional connections to get on his radar. If he revealed a strange habit on the first date, she would consult with her hens to figure out how to change it. If his income was low, she would encourage him to take on extra training that would ensure a more stable future.

Today, your mother would not have married your father. If he hesitated to make a move, she would have had dozens of other guys knocking on her door. If he showed a weird quirk on the first date, she would call him creepy to her friends and not respond to his text messages. If he accidentally called her with his jeans, she would think he’s a needy loser. If he was broke with no immediate sign of earning dough, she would indulge in affections from wealthier men on the side. Sadly, game denialists are living in the past when they think that all that is needed for sex to occur is a natural attraction between two people. Today, a natural attraction just gets your foot in the door. It gives you three minutes. If you fuck up then she moves onto the next guy who is more competent at making her vagina drip.

At the absolute minimum, today’s man must not make game mistakes. He doesn’t have to possess the tightest conversation or weasel game, but he must know what turns on woman. He doesn’t have to be alpha, but he can’t show beta traits. He doesn’t need the best text messaging game, but he can’t reply faster than she does. Denialists can reminisce about the past all they want, but to be sexually successful in today’s world, you need to know more psychology than Freud did in his time and at least a basic understanding of game theory.

The truth is that natural players are a dying breed. Going with the flow and just being alpha isn’t enough to out-pull a serious student of the game who brings in various academic and empirical schools of thought into his quest to get laid. This is why it’s so common for a natural to retire before he’s 30—he’s simply unable to compete longterm with guys who are more committed, have more game tools, and have mastered keeping their pipeline full while putting in the least amount of energy. And with hypergamy raging at rates we’ve never seen, the natural’s decision to hang it up with his cute girlfriend serves as absolutely no guarantee she won’t stray. He’ll need game for the relationship, too.

We’re arriving at the point of American society where nothing but moderate to serious study in the game can allow you to get and keep a quality woman. If you insist on being a game denialist in America, prepare yourself for a lonely existence.

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nathanwyatt
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Hear hear!

There’s an overall global arc to these trends. Yet, I also sense that America going through stages of maturation.

Open, unsettled land translated into mindless shouts of freedom (to crib D.H. Lawrence’s penetrating insight into America). It contributed to “rosy determinist” outlooks and assumptions and naive habits, thoughts, and feelings.

As Lawrence described it, the *true* soul of America gradually emerges, through writhing struggles.

Old (new, modern) habits die hard. Maybe once the sediment has settled in the Americas we’ll get back to monarchy and archaic, virile, masculine forms of order.

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“it gives you three minutes”. This is true. I gt chiks showing interest in me but because of my inexperience with girls, I fuck up in the most amazing ways. Game is fo real

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Game not so much a mindset of your ability to showcase qualities that make you stand out but one where women have such low self esteem that it makes them feel desired. Women of that past didn’t have that issue because they got on with their lives hence the part where you talk about marriage. Modern women without direction are totally disadvantaged in that regard and why game is actually using their own lack of self worth to your advantage.

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I am a total believer in game for getting laid but guys who think game can stop a woman from straying in the long run are delusional.

Relationship game is a mere speedbump for hypergamy and even if it wasn’t, is running game 24/7 to keep the train on the tracks really that appealing? Because the minute you let down your guard you’re an Australian surfer with a paper cut; you’re dead. It’s the antithesis of a loving, supporting relationship so what’s the point? Game gives you the option of steady sex so a relationship can be avoided but that’s it. You guys that think game ensures a loyal partner are crazy. An this includes supposedly rational game bloggers who have wives. You’re living in a dream world.

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Man, fuck America.

I got so tired of having to learn all these things and implementing them on girls who would be ignored in other countries for their low quality.

I’d rather improve myself for a real woman and seek an honest, loving relationship. American women are too far down to hell to save.

Once the ship sinks, we men cannot save American women. They must fix their own dysfunctions. Us men can just take advantage of the situation and fuck these girls like entertainment fuck dolls.

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#4 also makes a valid point. But women stray because of that same lack of self worth. Women use the term boring as a substitute for lack of desire when describing men and relationships. And it’s telling these days that women value themselves as sex objects above all else. Game takes advantage of that.

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New to your blog and I really enjoy reading it. I would consider myself a Natural and couldn’t agree more with the notion of how game is now a necessity today if you want to get laid. Ten years ago before smartphones and facebook, women didn’t have an audience and all the attention she could ever want which fulfills her self centered world. Back then it was all human to human contact without all the distractions. Not only is game an absolute necessity, but the quality of attractive women has dramatically decreased. Sucks.

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my theory is that after significant econmic turmoil, a massive war will break out years after when the market bottoms out and begins to turn (e.g. Civil War &WW2). The details will be different this time for sure, but history has a subtle rhyme to it.

So after American women have suffered the greater depression and most of the drones have sacrificed themselves to the war machine, then there should be a change in perspective as far as how women will be selecting for their mates.

That’s what game deniers have to look foward to…not some incredible manly uprising. That’s what women will do (rise in society) in times of plenty as I’m sure happened during prosperous times of the Roman Empire. And men will triumph during times of upheaval and uncertainty and to the surviving victors go the spoils.

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The bitch shields on women are getting ridiculous, it’s like you need to be on your peak game all the time even to be noticed.

Last weekend my friend and I went out for Thirsty Thursday, we weren’t looking to get laid or anything, just hang out and catch up. Since we weren’t seeking women both of us were dressed pretty normally (not like shit mind you, but polos and nice jeans).

Anyway, we’re looking for a bar to hit up and we see two girls, that were maybe 6’s, who also look like their hunting for a place to go. I walk up and ask them for directions (this isn’t even an opener, it’s an honest to god question) to a bar that just opened.

They look at my friend and I, laugh and walk away.

Both of us started wondering if we did something wrong or looked like idiots or something. That was until 15 minutes later we saw girls of the same caliber being approached by at least a dozen dudes, who were all way better looking than the girls, within a 10 minute period.

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I am a Polish male. I am interested in the decline and decadence of your country, since it affects the rest of the planet, as during this protracted decline of the american empire, it continues polluting the planet with it’s toxic ideas.

In my opinion, no amount of game (relationship game) will give you what a culture like the one in Russia or Ukraine gives you. Society’s judgement, shaming, pressures, gossip, expectations, mores, role models etc.

In Russia, a girl is told by the entire history, by the literature, by the tv soap opera, by her friends, by her mother, grandmother, aunt and other females, that her way of being happy in life, and fully realizing her female nature is to be a dedicated wife to a man.

(The whole lack of decent men in Russia, while partly true, is just an addition to that basic foundation)

In the USA, a woman is told by the culture, by her family, by the entire world, that she is a princess and deserves the best and should never ever settle. That she shouldn’t live for a man, but for herself. Family is depreciated and salaried employment is elevated as the way to life fullfilment.

As one guy said earlier, who would want to live a life, where you have to watch your every step and it’s like a permanent ceaseless computer game. Every day jumping through hoops. Never let your guard down. Allways be on your top game. Never fail a shittest.

I don’t think this is workable over the long term and for the vast majority of guys. Most men aren’t naturally alpha male, naturally dominant or naturally very confident and agressive.

While most men (bar the hopeless aspergery idiots who can’t speak without their voice trembling with a female in their proximity) can learn some game, can get better at all the elements, can get fit, can learn the common mistakes and anti-game and avoid them, they will (the large majority of men) not naturally become alpha male players, because it simply would take organizing your entire life around it.

So, to the conclusion: In the opinion of this eastern European man, who is carefully observing and analyzing with disgust and fear the western and especially anglosphere cultural decline, and its spillover to other heretofore non toxic cultures, the answer can only by cultural and societal. Implemented by society at large, not by single men learning game.

The alternative is simply awful. I guess we will live to see.

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@Red Pill 4:

“Relationship game is a mere speedbump for hypergamy and even if it wasn’t, is running game 24/7 to keep the train on the tracks really that appealing?

Bullshit. Single Game is the basic set, Relationship (Married) Game is the advanced set. If you can incorporate the relatively-simple techniques of Single Game into your life, then taking the next step and learning Married Game shouldn’t be a challenge.

The thing is, Married Game does require a greater commitment to Game and your own masculinity than Single Game, so if you’re lazy, dumb, or unmotivated then you’re unlikely to close a worthwhile long-term deal to begin with. If you aren’t willing to invest the time in education, in proper wife selection, and in vetting your candidates, then a string of one-night-stands really is your best bet.

Or, if you are up to the challenge and actually do luck across one of the few women worth the trouble, then you’ll go study Married Game at MMSL and recognize just how challenging it can be. I’m good either way — but the whine that “I don’t wanna hafta run Game allthetime!” means that you have yet to truly incorporate Game properly into your life. When you can stop faking it and be it, then the prospect stops seeming so scary.

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polish guy,

Anglosphere men and Scandanavian men are the biggest fucking pussies on Earth! They tolerate shit from women and put them on the pedestal like no other group of men on the planet. Now yes the influence of the American media is pervasive but women in other places know full and well that they can’t get away with shit that western women do because the culture and their men simply won’t put up with them. So you Eastern Europeans shouldn’t worry too much.

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hey roosh, what DHV stories, cold reads, and teases do you generally rely on to build attraction

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The idea that there will be some massive war that prunes away all the “Beta males” doesn’t seem likely. Such a war would immediately go nuclear, and hurt everyone equally.

The decline of American society will continue to a certain point and then it will flatline.

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@ John 10:06 am:

I couldn’t agree with you more. Why put too much effort into bedding entitlement mentality sluts?

I’d rather have a good, honest woman who I can trust than a walking combination petri dish and sperm bank with the character of a female version of Ted Bundy and an entitlement complex the size of Alaska.

Other guys are welcome to do as they wish.

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@Derrick

stop putting words in my mouth. I said nothing about beta males being wiped out. I was referring to the male population being significantly reduced because of a global war which would def. have an impact on the dating market in America.

and for the record, I think the USA will not crumble. a lot of smart people think America will continue to be a super power for another 200 or so years. I’m arguing that the culture will significantly change due to economical and conflictual reasons.

These things have always reoccured throughout history and will continue.

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Test levels and sperm counts have been steadily dropping for the past few decades. Is it hormones in our food and water supply? Electromagnetic radiation?

Or is it psychological? Could it simply be the chicken to the egg of being raised to be society’s bitch?

Check out comedian Bill Burr’s latest special, “You people are all the same”. He asks the daring questions, even if they’re met with silence. Absolutely brilliant stuff, right on the vanguard of waking people up.

First step: you don’t have to be a bitch. As our host says: “he can’t show beta traits”.

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I moved to Spain a few months ago and have noticed something rather interesting. Guys don’t seem to be worried about getting laid or about ‘game’ whatsoever. As a matter of fact I see a ton of guys who walk into a room full of girls and don’t even bat an eye. They seem confident and very relaxed about the whole thing. The expression to ‘get lucky’ doesn’t exist here – the basic assumption is that girls want it as much as the dudes.

Rather refreshing I must say – as this is how I remember it from when I grew up in Europe. After which I resettled in L.A. when I was about 25. I quickly realized that despite being similar on the surface the paradigm surrounding inter personal relationships in the U.S. is completely different.

I am not saying that girls are obedient angels here – quite to the contrary. But they just seem more natural and more fun. And very very skinny – you have to look hard to find a girl or even some MILF that’s overweight.

Loving it here – poon central and you don’t need to be an athletic wealthy underwear model to get into the pants of quality women.

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I still don’t think keeping a woman is an achievement or goal for me. I’m focusing on career and money, and keeping a woman only makes that harder.

My theory? In a hypergamous society, focus on #1, yourself.

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By the way I agree with Brandon who posted above. The core problem is that the U.S. has turned into a feminized nanny state, which as a result has turned most of the males in its population into giant pussies. Or at minimum confused about what really constitutes a real man.

The current generation of women are what I call a ‘write off’ – they have been irrevocably spoiled into little precious princesses by decades of Western media brainwashing. This cannot be reversed. Neither can the self esteem issues that most American males unfortunately wind up growing up with. No matter what they see read or do – they will always consider themselves being the lucky ones when they manage to coax one of these she bitches into jumping into bed with them. In many cases at their very peril and/or expense.

The system needs to destroy itself and I think we are pretty well on our way to get there within the next decade or two. Once we see a few decades of societal change and uncertainty gender roles will once again begin to normalize. The system as of right now has evolved into one that mostly caters to women at the expense of men.

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The changes you describe in women are just a consequence of major changes in society. In a world where individualism, selfishness, brutal competition, short term thinking and prolonged immaturity, it’s no surprise relationships have changed.

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I agree that the analyzis of the female mentality is way better now because its being done not by psychologist but instead by dedicated men in the field. Even back in the days of Frreud the study of psychology was put through a politically correct filter, and even more so today.

The first only real genuine analysis about women was written by Esther Vilar, who studied medicine and wrote The Manipulated Man back in 1971. Her assertions are Gospel today as they were back in 1971 or 1271 or 2012 or 2512.

Regardless of any kind of game a man aspires to, he must first read that book by Vilar as to first get a background on the female psyche, then proceed from there.

I’m not joking when I say it’s required reading.

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#19

Bravo. You come first, a woman always comes AFTER.

By making a ‘goal’ of keeping a woman, you only make her more worth than you are.

Let’s just fuck her, and if she gets bored, goodbye, there’s the door. No woman is more important than you.

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@10
Great post and thanks for sharing. Answer is pretty simple though, and it’s coming from an American guy- don’t waste time and energy on women, regardless of their nationality, who refuse to embrace their natural femininity. Your issue lies in the fact that you seem to have a problem with the way many American (and western) women are.

I understand the urge to be upset, as I let myself be bothered by it as well sometimes. In the end though, I think it’s a misuse of the limited energy one has. It’s like waking up one morning, noticing that it’s raining and being pissed off about the rain as opposed to accepting it, adjusting to it, and going out and having a kick ass day regardless.

The exoticism of foreign women, and of travel itself, of living in a foreign country, is a very exciting thing for me. So even if American or western women were collectively better than they are, I would probably still choose the exotic.

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Agree with 19 – the problem with most men these days is that they don’t understand the rules of compound interest. This also can be applied to your own value regarding women. Think about all the time, energy, and money you spent chasing poon in your 20s. Hormones rage of course but if you devote only half of that energy to developing yourself you will literally have pick of the litter in your 30s and 40s.

– Hit the gym – not for the girls but for yourself.
– Travel to at least two other continents.
– Learn languages (at minimum Spanish)
– Read books.
– Develop yourself professionally.
– Optionally: learn how to fight – if you don’t fear a fist in your face then you won’t worry about walking up to little skanks.

Everything else will fall into place – you’ll see.

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Roosh, I have learned more about women from you in a week than I ever did from ‘naturals’.

Naturals can’t explain shit. They are the worst teachers. That has been my observation not only with ‘puas’ but also with artists, musicians,etc.

The best is the one who learns the hard way. He will have a level of insight unmatched by the ‘naturals’. While the ‘learned’ will rely on his insight, the natural will have to rely on something abstract called ‘luck’.

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@ Ian Ironwood

You are entitled to your opinion, but I believe you are being disingenuous. This idea that a guy is alpha all of the time and can run unflappable game all of the time is ridiculous and in my opinion, bravado. Well, maybe you are 100% killer alpha but most guys are not.

Real people have life oscillations, tough times, and moments of weakness. It is at these exact moments when you are at your weakest (lose your job, difficulty in school, the economy torpedoes your business, whatever) that most women will turn on you. My point is that if you have to maintain what is essentially a front for your entire life never letting your guard down you are not in an intimate relationship at all. So even if you could run relationship game all the time why would you want to?

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“Civilization is built on the shoulder’s of Men.”

I think my favorite thing about the Manosphere – and where the Western world is as whole in regards to gender relations – is the paradox that although many find Game out of struggles of dealing with women, it is ultimately men who are solving the problem.

No matter how stupid or fucked up society gets, we HAVE to be the ones to fix it. The day we collectively drop the ball and Game becomes too much of a burden will be a dark day…Women sure as hell aren’t going to pick up the slack…

How funny would it be to see a female written blog called “Bang Roosh” ?

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Powerful. You need to start pushing men and leading with these call to arms

Looking forward to hearing your observations back in America the next month or so.

Emasculated American men, on attack from all sides, need a kick in the ass

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I believe that anyone who can pick up chicks more than majority of people (one who has studied or hasn’t studied Game) is a natural. Some have just figured it out early and don’t know why they do it, while others have found ways to become a player. The difference is that “naturals” have it all in subconscious and that means they don’t know what are they doing so good, while “non-naturals” first have it in their conscious, which is then gradually transferred to their subconscious. Essentially, “non-naturals” are just “naturals” who know what they are doing, and that’s why they are doing better than “naturals”.

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Fame is exception that proves your Death of the Natural rule. It doesn’t even matter what you’re famous for anymore; as long as your in some ways known.

And you’ll pretty much definitionally never need much in the way of conscious game, to keep a quality woman.

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The naturals actually in my opinion will always have the upper hand because they are bred in that.
Game is only 10% of the whole interaction that plays on several levels.

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This is only true if you’re a single man drifting about the world with no friends, no job, and no real communicable status (i.e. you). In the real world there are still plenty of natural alphas–they have have a large social circle, a great/alpha reputation within that social circle, and usually have some ulterior means of expressing status, like having a good/cool job, having money, dealing drugs, or doing something artistic at professional or pseudo-professional level. Because the social circle of natural alphas is so large, there are always new females/males with access to females coming into it (if you have 50 friends in your city, then that is 50 people who will at varying points meet other people who you will be introduced to).

In a country where people–and particularly young girls–are growing more insular, and more cautious as to who they socialize with–a phenomenon exacerbated or perhaps even set into motion by social networking–what can be equally valuable as knowledge of game (ok, probably not *equally valuable, but close) is to have a large number of close male and female friends, where the men are at minimum “confident nice guys.”

A lot of men are drawn to game in the first place because they can’t get laid because they lack access to a social circle because they aren’t naturally alpha. Game can allow men to compensate and then some for lack of social circle, but of course cold approaching as a permanent means of getting laid will always be more difficult, and the way things are going, will only get more difficult in america as women become more and more closed off to experience. *Keeping* an attractive girl in america, when you’ve cold approached her and when you have no social circle/friends or status will be very, very hard indeed. They’ll save that kind of commitment for naturals.

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I think daygame is still a relatively untapped marketin America. its usually a lot more awkward, yet more rewarding. it happens every now and then that you’ll get a rude one, but I guarantee 6’s and 7’s aren’t getting hounded like at the club as cookie9001 described. its very probable that you can find a cute introverted girl who hasn’t stepped foot in a bar before, however this most likely won’t end in fast or easy sex.

Roosh, so you’ll be visiting the states soon? i’m itching to hear your analyses. im hoping you can also report on American cities you’ve never been to before…but either way.

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An interesting reading:
“The 5 Women Who Will Ruin Your Game”
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/the-5-women-who-will-ruin-your-game

1. The Attention Vampire
2. The Engaged Woman in Transition
3. The Female Liar-Cheater
4. The “Manhater”
5. The “Dingbat”

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“Going with the flow and just being alpha isn’t enough to out-pull a serious student of the game who brings in various academic and empirical schools of thought into his quest to get laid”

Out-pull? This is a laugh if you think naturals actually care about “outpulling” some guy who spends his time researching and perfecting game.

“This is why it’s so common for a natural to retire before he’s 30—he’s simply unable to compete longterm with guys who are more committed…”

What’s your definition of “natural” here? A guy who understands, implicitly, attraction cues of women, and how to push their buttons, and who does it on a consistent basis just suddenly loses it after 30? Your assumption only takes in part of the picture.

The natural could have found his favorite attractive girl to be with, and could still have his affairs on the side. Or, more likely, the natural got over the point in his life where he needs to keep building notches.

Long live the naturals.

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*OLD HORNDOG

You are right. This current generation of American women must be treated as a “write-off.” Fortunately as all game-aware men know, men can always date down a generation or two. I’m 31, and most of the women in my generation are fat, married/divorced, single moms, or just crazy because they wasted the best years of their sexuality chasing unworthy losers and now they’re left with nothing left to bargain with for marriage. Hopefully the next generation of young American women will be better, but I doubt it. We may have to write them off too, that is if they don’t write themselves off with too many tattoos and too much junk food.

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Wow, the quality of comments is getting better and better! So many valid points.
Am I the only one seeing that guys in US and Europe are putting huge amounts of effort into being “attractive”? Learn game, learn foreign language, psychology, train muscles, learn the “right” kind of conversation, dress like the movie stars, run new online businesses, etc. — a LOT of stuff (never in history men did sooo much!), *just* to get a pussy.

Turns out that chicks are ultimately smarter (yet again). Why? Well, if you have dozens upon dozens of men who are competing with each other, aquire higher and higher skills in all respects…
while bitchez are doing just about NOTHING to improve themselves (even the fat and stupid ones are still in demand…) -what can else can you expect?
They will bitch, nag, flake, be ultra spoiled, bored, irritated- girls know there will be always a great supply of guys willing to play their shittests and buy them alcohol+food+accomodation.
And even if not- the government will support her dull life. The women of western world were given a comfort to live in a fairy tale- not the real world, where you have to put some tears, blood and pain to survive and procreate.

And who is responsible for this sad state of affairs? Nobody else than western men. In the end, they are the ones to blame. #12 said it right: males living in North are the weakest and dangerous in a long term. The modern indoors lifestyle means so sunlight, means less and less test. levels and legions of betas.

I agree with the view on Spanish chicks. The more you move south-the better men-women relations.
Roosh!
Go to SE Asia, Cuba, Italy.
We are all ears how well could you game Italian women…. wow, that woould be something!
Dont waste your life on Scandinavia, its a supertiny minority of the world, who will disappear soon, cause their feminist societies wont reproduce.

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Think about the situation more deeply, and we may conclude, that game is part of the reason why western girls are what they are.
The more game skills men will use…. the more crazy paranoid bitchez.

Dont forget- YOU are the co-creator of the reality.
Large part of Roosh blog is complaining about american girls. If thats what you want to experience (nasty bitchez), go ahead and reinforce exactly that tune. Talk about it, whine, magnify, show from different angles, etc. A not very pleasent picture will only magnify, grow, show various facets of itself. You feed it. It grows by the will of your mind. “Energy flows where attention goes”.

Now, if you choose to experience something different. Like a millions of feminine, submissive, charming, sexually opened women…
Write blog songs just about it or plain simply- don’t give a damn shit;)

A little suggestion. There are two gents who rock the internet recently even more than you Roosh, Mercola or Steve Pavlina- Hodge Twins , bitchez!
See these m’fckers on youtube. Relaxed, cool, never give a shit about anything, esp. girls.
THAT is the masculine vibe, energy, power and self-esteem which is impossible for a nasty slut to crack, exploit or play.

but at the end of the day…. :)))

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Fantastic post.

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damn, this shit just gets more and more fascinating every day!

I agree with #19. I play the game, but on a very casual level. still, I’ve got fifty notches, and I can confidently say that only two of those girls are worth a damn…but I still wouldn’t marry either of them. my main focus is doing well in pharmacy school. in a few more years, I will have the six figure salary and a career in something I find immensely fulfilling and satisfying. then I can travel to some other continents and see what I’ve been missing out on all these years. eventually I’ll either find someone I want to marry, or I won’t and instead I’ll spend my time chasing nubile young girls. either way I’m pretty happy.

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Roosh, I admit I slowed down at 30. Im 32 now, and after banging half of nyc for my entire 20’s my focus started to change. I still work out hard, if not harder, but just not as excited.

What i dont like is guys who never BANGED at all, but then marry the first piece of ass they get. Learn game, bang away, and then find a decent bitch to cheat on
http://thecaptainpower.blogspot.com/2012/09/i-caught-west-nile-virus-3-times.html

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There is such a huge variety of women characters in US that to make a judgement based on a rudimentary volume of testing among the insignificant number of those who visit the bars or clubs (that by itself is not the representative to the overall female population) is just silly. Go get life, man. Look at yourself – you’re yet to do something for somebody but yourself.
There is always wonderful people, many of them, even among the US girls. Can’t tell the same about you (from what you write here)

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@ 43
LOL. First of all, read what you write first. Secondly, I’m tired of girls in this country calling guys selfish who actually live life (by living life I mean making money, having girlfriends ((preferably foreign)) or living a players lifestyle, and in general looking out for our interests).

What is with this obsession with “doing something for somebody else”? I’ll let you know when I had no money no one lifted a finger for me. No government gave me a dime. Certainly no woman gave me anything. Does that mean I won’t spend money on foreign girls anymore? No, because I like them and it’s MY life. American women like you act superior to everyone else and indulge in incredible narcissism. You take and take and take and take and act faux offended when a guy lives life on his terms. No American girl will ever get a dime out of me.

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The bubble American women, they don’t realize, is only possible through oppression. America has 25% of the world’s prisoners where the stasi locks males up like animals, we extort the rest of the world for oil and resources enforcing the oil for petrol standard through our incredible military strength ran on the backs of the male underclass, and our economic system is ran on the practice of dangling a carrot in front of men desperate to get a little money to get a little puss from 5’s.
Because, men do 95% of the actual work in this country.

I’m young, have gotten to live abroad and experience having a smoking hot uber feminine girlfriend, and make good money in an unconventional way doing something that I excel at. I consider myself extremely lucky. I am still pissed at how shitty our country, which was once great, has become. I am permanently moving away soon, and will be much happier then I am sure, but that doesn’t mean I don’t realize how big a shaft a lot of my countrymen are getting.

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Seems like the USofA has become a bigger battle than it is worth. I think there are a some girls here that dont have their head completely up there ass, but alas, it is few and far between. Too many males pinning for attention. I found doing the contrarian non-pursuit, cool vibe with an occasion asshole edge works best.
Self-entitled, princess, overweight, cougar glorifying – shit it was a fat factory this weekend when I went out. I am here for two weeks at a time and it serves as a great refresher as to why I stay abroad.

Women in the East though, particular Russian descent have their own issues. They will try to take everything they can from you and then some. But at least their fat doesnt have fat.

best of luck the US land locked.

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Roosh is convincing me. Still there is one point I need to see directly addressed. Is it not true that you, me, all me, decide within 5 minutes, if not 5 seconds, if we want to nail a particular woman. Isn’t this the boner test Roosh talks about. So then, isn’t the opposite true? That women size us up instantly?

Maybe the situation is that since Roosh relationships rarely last more than 12 hours, it doesn’t matter or count. That in fact, a woman is not turned on, but says what the hell. Or that there is some large “grey zone” for both men and women, and game harvests those women.

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Most girls will feel neutral about you if you are at least an average looking guy when you meet them. Game creating strong interest from lukewarm interest. Blowouts are doing you a favor – they save you time.

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@ #11 Ian Ironwood

Those are famous last words for you, genius.

Man are you in for a brutal awakening when whatever skag you settle down with decides to move on.

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@ Ironwood who stated:

“Bullshit. Single Game is the basic set, Relationship (Married) Game is the advanced set. If you can incorporate the relatively-simple techniques of Single Game into your life, then taking the next step and learning Married Game shouldn’t be a challenge. The thing is, Married Game does require a greater commitment to Game and… ”

Hey chode, I can’t wait to hear from you after you get financially and spiritually ass-raped in divorce court. Dumbfuck!