Denying Death

Most Americans have a morbid lifestyle due to their overeating and inactivity, but a large percentage of the population are health nuts who want to live a long, healthy life. I used to be that guy. I was very neurotic about what I ate, even going without meat for two periods of my life. I didn’t go so far as only eating organic foods, but I avoided processed meats and snacks with ingredients I couldn’t pronounce. I boycotted McDonald’s. I thought hot dogs were made by the devil. I moderated my drinking and did my best to avoid second-hand smoke. I dutifully exercised three times a week for 30 minute increments.

Today I’ll eat hot dogs and ham. I’ll eat McDonald’s breakfast if I happen to be up at an early hour. I’ll spend four hours in a smokey club. You want to go for a jog? Hmm, how about we grab a beer instead? I drink like a fish if I’m in the mood. I’m not careful in order to live a long life. Everything I do is to either help me accomplish my current goals or to feel good today. I eat a diet that gives me energy… today. I maintain a figure that is attractive to women… today. I lift weights to boost my testosterone levels… today. I take multi-vitamins to avoid getting colds… today. I don’t care how long I live unless today is the best day I can make it.

So I don’t understand when my peers say they want to live until they’re 100, completely rearranging their life and experimenting with supplements that give no guarantee that they will live even a day longer than compared to a more “unhealthy” lifestyle. Living today for a tomorrow that may not come is living based on fear. Accepting death, something that happens to us all, actually turns out to be a lot easier than staying on top of the latest fad diet or health news that invariably contradicts yesterday’s health news. Accepting death forces you to chase your dreams now instead of postponing. Adopting a healthy lifestyle is nothing more than a postponement lifestyle, a fancy way of procrastination.

A great article in New York Magazine perfectly shows America’s denial of death…

The traditional exits, of a sudden heart attack, of dying in one’s sleep, of unreasonably dropping dead in the street, of even a terminal illness, are now exotic ways of going. The longer you live the longer it will take to die. The better you have lived the worse you may die. The healthier you are—through careful diet, diligent exercise, and attentive medical scrutiny—the harder it is to die.

Attempts to delay death now may do nothing but increase your suffering in the end. Many will put a lot of hard work in their 20s running on a treadmill like a hamster to finish out a couple extra years in a nursing home, unable to even remember who they are due to cognitive decline. I’ll take the massive coronary instead.

This is not just a drawn-out, stoic, and heroic long good-bye. This is human carnage. Seventy percent of those older than 80 have a chronic disability, according to one study; 53 percent in this group have at least one severe disability; and 36% have moderate to severe cognitive impairments; you definitely don’t want to know what’s considered to be moderate impairment.

What a crappy deal. All that medical advancement and progress in longevity to become a shadow of your human self. This is what people are signing up for when they run their yearly marathon and practically starve themselves with a vegan diet. You can’t even smoke a cigarette these days without someone thinking you’re a complete moron.

One evening, almost three years ago, getting into the shower, she caught her lagging foot on the rail of the shower door and went down into the tub. She lay there, shivering in the tepid water until morning, when her neighbor became alarmed. There is a precept here, which no doctor quite spells out: once it has begun, it has begun; decline follows decline; incident precedes incident.

My views on death changed when I lived with my dad next to a retirement community of elderly rich people. Even though many had the best care available to them, including nubile African and Thai nurses, being over 75 is brutal. It’s not like Jack Lalane doing 100 pushups. It’s not ballroom dancing in tuxedos. The most fit, strapping young American men in their prime were now getting wheeled in before me, or walking at a pace so slow you can’t help but get agitated when stuck behind them. With most of their friends and relatives dead, it’s a lonely place to be. Their adult children, who should be the bright spot of their lives, treat them like children who must be endured. Like the author of the article, many can’t wait until they die.

Sadly, they have nothing to look forward to in life except death. Their brain is going, they aren’t mobile, and they’ve lost the ability to do their hobbies. The highlight of their day is straining to read the paper or talking to random people like me about the good old days.

… the purpose of long-term-care insurance is to help finance some of the greatest misery and suffering human beings have yet devised. […] ‘Old age,’ says one of Philip Roth’s protagonists, ‘isn’t a battle, it’s a massacre.’ I’d add, it’s a holocaust.

My dad would always tell me and my sister that he doesn’t want to be a burden on everyone if he gets old. “Don’t worry about taking care of me, just let me go.” Of course we would object, but he saw what I now realize: it’s not worth living when you can no longer take care of yourself. There is no happiness in having to depend on others for things you used to do without thought and effort. You will come to a point in your life—and I hope that it’s far off for you—where death isn’t a bad deal at all.

Often times I see some comments asking me why I’m “so negative.” Why don’t I just write about the wonderful parts of life and focus on all the good in the world? The reason is because there are negative aspects of life and the human experience that don’t go away if you close your eyes. Living life through a filter is not living life—it’s pretending. No matter how I look at it, living for today is the best thing I can do. So I don’t want to read health news. I don’t want to know what chemicals are in the meat or in the water. I don’t want to do the paleo diet. I just want to enjoy this day that I have before me.


  1. samseau September 3, 2012 at 9:09 am

    “Philosophy is nothing more than learning how to die.”

    – Rousseau

  2. Pete M September 3, 2012 at 9:25 am

    As usual, well thought out and well said. On the whole Paleo thing – I found that eating grains and processed foods made feel like crap in the hours after – so I’ve cut them out of my diet.

  3. Anonymous September 3, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Notwithstanding this post, I’d bet Roosh lives a healthier life than 99% of Americans.

  4. Bob September 3, 2012 at 9:30 am

    That quote is from Cicero I thought?

  5. Fff September 3, 2012 at 9:31 am

    I don’t eat healthy to live longer, rather to maintain a young look.

    If I can look 27-28 when I’m 35 I’ll be happy

  6. Fff September 3, 2012 at 9:32 am

    And paleo is more about cutting foods that irritate you.

    Eating bread every meal as most Americans do is hard on my body.

  7. ColSpanker September 3, 2012 at 9:36 am

    “Hope I die before I get old.”

  8. Tree September 3, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Good stuff Roosh…end is near my friend :)but, WHO CARES???

  9. Anonymous September 3, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Actually, it’s that way because our society is not well organized. It should be the other way around : the older you get, the happier you are.

    In community oriented societies in latin america or in Africa, a lot of old people live with their children in their home. They’re involved in the community and in raising the children. They are more respected and have something to contribute to society.

    The problem with us is we don’t care what grand daddy has to say, he’s “out of date”. It’s ridiculous that all these 55+ people on retirement die without sharing their knowledge. A healthy 60 years old man who’ve been through wars, losses, love, challenging careers and adventures can teach a lot of things. They could do volunteer work, they could help teenagers become mature, they could do many things but we just throw them out of society.

  10. Francis Begbie September 3, 2012 at 10:04 am

    I sort of agree with this. On one hand, the idea of living until 80, pissing into a tube in a nursery home is a nightmare, and it would be far better to die earlier.

    On the other hand, I eat extremely well and eat weights a lot, and not because I want to live longer. I want to live better. When you eat the paleo diet, clear all that shit out, you get less mood swings, you’re more confident, you look better, you’re not getting the flu and vomiting, you’re thinking clearer, more intelligent etc. It’s not about living longer, it’s about living better, otherwise I’d be hitting the fast food every night. Both of which happen to be fairly synonymous, so as long as your not that emaciated cunt jogging for three hours a day.

  11. Francis Begbie September 3, 2012 at 10:04 am

    “lift weights a lot”

  12. Jordan September 3, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Very thought provoking.

  13. ladderff September 3, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Want to add another plug for paleo eating. A minor inconvenience buys you more life–today. Better sleep, and less need for it; more energy and a clearer head even when you are tired; no time lost to being sick; more bang for your buck at the gym; and eating mostly dead animals is bad ass anyway. Don’t want to sound like some kind of fanboy but I wager that all of the horrors of old age,including the cognitive ones, are mitigated by a life of a proper diet.

  14. Someguy September 3, 2012 at 10:14 am

    If there would be a “like” somwhere in here, the previous comment would have definitely got it from me.

    As the Bible says: “There is nothing new under the sun”. Human brain, and needs didn’t change much from human prehistory, till today. When listening to old people i just need to put their experiences in today’s context, and most of it fits. All the poeple wanted before may have changed the shape, but is the same crap as people love today, and how people behaved before, toward each other may changed shape, but not the essence. Offcourse there is always stupid people young and old, so it’s important to differentiate.

  15. Rick91 September 3, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Fuck paleo, but saying that if your a naturally fatty, you do what it takes.

  16. Someguy September 3, 2012 at 10:22 am

    “Today I’ll eat hot dogs and ham. I’ll eat McDonald’s breakfast if I happen to be up at an early hour. I’ll spend four hours in a smokey club. You want to go for a jog? Hmm, how about we grab a beer instead? I drink like a fish if I’m in the mood. I’m not careful in order to live a long life. Everything I do is to either help me accomplish my current goals or to feel good today. I eat a diet that gives me energy… today. I maintain a figure that is attractive to women… today. I lift weights to boost my testosterone levels… today. I take multi-vitamins to avoid getting colds… today. I don’t care how long I live unless today is the best day I can make it.”

    We(not Americans) thought that average American has bassically been ingrained with this somewhat agressive menatlity, and that it’s the common American lifestyle, but it seems not. Is it that Americans have changed radically over 20 years, or that we just recently came to open our eyes about you?

  17. Bill September 3, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Exercising and maintaining a healthy diet will make you feel better…today and tomorrow. And I enjoy going to the gym. if you are saying don’t become a nut about it, I agree. And the problem is that medical science has increased our lives without yet advancing to a level where it can preserve the quality. I plan on staying as healthy as I can for as long as I can without going to medical extremes. If I need to hasten my demise at some point, I’ll worry about it then.

  18. Anonymous September 3, 2012 at 10:39 am

    This doesn’t make sense. Your implicit assumption is that healthy living today means a protracted period of gradual decline in old age, while unhealthy living today means going out on a high note. This is a claim with no basis in the scientific literature. Healthy living means you a pitiable wreck in your late seventies, having enjoyed your sixties. Unhealthy living just means the decline comes quicker.

    The question is: When do you want to decline? Sooner or later?

  19. Theodora September 3, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Paleo is ridiculous, worst 4 months of my life. And hopefully this post will also make people some realize it.

    As always there’s nothing I can argue about the post. I agree with Roosh on it all, though not on the severity of the old age he’s describing. In my country people live up to 90 and they’re in pretty good shape and still having a pretty good time. One thought on this whole attitude is that it doesn’t change unless someone has kids. Right? As in you don’t want them to grow up alone without you and have your wife/husband handle it on their own (then again maybe someone wont ever have kids because of it). Or if someone is too attached to their parents and doesn’t want them to endure the loss of a child. I don’t know, just wondering.

    And one last thing: what makes you happy also makes you live better and look younger (I’m not saying longer). I know people who smoke and drink every day and look 10 years younger, simply because it’s what makes them happy and they carry a happy mindset because of it.

  20. Richard Martin September 3, 2012 at 10:48 am

    You don’t want to do the paleo diet but you don’t need to because you visibly make *other* efforts to keep fit. Or maybe it’s not an effort for you, it just comes naturally? Well, for the rest of us, keeping fit after 30 takes some effort. As far as I can tell, it is the paleo diet that maximizes the fitness-to-effort ratio. But I could be wrong…

    Nonetheless your main point is well taken, which is that we do the paleo diet to keep fit today rather than to increase our life expectancy from 88 to 89 years old.

    Some people I know want to top themselves off at 65. Is that too young?

  21. Kaiserfranz September 3, 2012 at 10:49 am

    You have a point about eldert care.

    I remember how my grandfather, 90+ yo, was living during his last year:
    less than a shadow of the man that he was, with the same needs of a newborn and no memory of his close relatives…

    But I disagree on your view about eating healthy: I do not do it for leaving longer later, but for looking better now!
    Unhealthy eating habits can make all the pumping iron useless, and beer is the worst enemy of a six pack…

  22. Grace September 3, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Anonymous at #18 is totally right: everyone ends up a crippled wreck sooner or later–why would you want sooner?

    In any case, the real horror of aging is dementia. Causes are partly genetic (and thus out of your control either way), but lifestyle is also important: being fat, smoking, eating a bad diet (and thus having high cholesterol) and drinking too much all contribute. In fact, there is some evidence that changing one’s lifestyle can prevent dementia.

    Avoiding ending up as a drooling bedridden vegetable via stopping smoking and binge drinking, while choosing to exercise regularly and staying mentally active seems like the smart decision.

  23. Anonymous September 3, 2012 at 11:29 am

    “What really counts isn’t the years in your life, but the life in your years.”

  24. Newb#3 September 3, 2012 at 11:46 am

    I agree that the goal of living longer is pointless. I highly doubt the years past 70 are really all that good anyway.

    But… a lot of the measure people take that you mentioned are not about life extension. They’re about (a) optimizing current health, or “today” as you wrote, and (b) slowing down the process of aging.

    It just so happens that life extension, slowing down aging, and optimizing current health and appearance have significant overlap both in what they are as goals, and how one goes about achieving them.

    Eating healthy, getting enough sleep, exercising, supplementation, avoiding damaging activity, meditation and other stress reduction methods, aren’t just about extending your life, they’re about looking and feeling your best today and in the near future (into your 30s, 40s, and 50s).

    All that being said, of course, you can’t optimize everything, and sometimes the best thing to do to improve the quality of your life involves doing things that are unhealthy. If you have to work your ass off and sleep little in the process of starting a business that will allow you to live well in the future, do it. If you work hard and don’t eat well while mastering a skill or hobby that provides you with intrinsic joy, it’s worth it. If you drink a lot, but you do it going out and socializing and meeting women, it’s worth a slight hit to your health.

    It’s all about balancing. First find out how important health is to you. Then see what you can cut out and add to your life to improve it without taking away from other parts of your life that you value. Manage what you can, and don’t sweat what you can’t.

  25. nathanwyatt September 3, 2012 at 11:59 am

    No man deserves his freedom or his life
    Who does not daily win them anew. …


    Stirbe und werde
    Die and become

    Goethe’s Faust

  26. David Led Roth September 3, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    I totally agree with the poster #9 – American society cannot wait to be rid of the ederly; just send them off to a plant and process them into dog food. Given how American culture is having less respect fot human life anyway it would not surprise me if at some point in our Orwelian future they establish extermination policies for seniors. And before the powers that be allowed feminist to conpletely destroy the western world, there were many essential skills and philosophies that were taught be one’s grandparents. It is true that times have changed but there always be universal things that will never change that need to be passed on to each generation as long as the human race exists.

    And I also agrree Roosh that I do not want to be some old guy in a wheel chair wearing paper slippers and having nurses wipe my ass for me. Worse also is being some old walking corpse and still wanting to fuck 20 year old women. Even game has its limits, and no chick wants to fuck the undead.

  27. Anonymous September 3, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    I am that person you describe in the first paragraph lol. Those chemicals will effect your offspring so why eat them?

    If i need energy there’s always a healthy alternative.

    Prep food at night and cook in the morning to avoid Mcdonalds.

    These just sound like justifications for poor decisions

  28. LS September 3, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Memento mori.


  29. choichoi September 3, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    my 21 yo cousin who i had only hung with three weeks ago was shot and killed walking home from his shitty food service job by some punks who wanted to rob him and some other boy.
    He wasn’t going out without a fight. I watched him buried 2 days ago, and man that was one of the most emotionally painful things I have ever watched in my life. I am 26 now and I realize now, more than ever how uncertain living is now. Shit just got real

  30. SJ September 3, 2012 at 12:52 pm


    Excellent post one of your best yet. I used to be 8% bodyfat and worked out 2-3 hours 7 days a week. It was a pain. Now I lift few days a week and walk several hours a week and eat more or less what I want within reason. I still eat mostly a paleo/low carb diet because it makes me feel great but I will eat chips or pizza once in a while. I am not as lean now but have a lot more muscle and less stressed out at 41. Being a happy single bachelor with no nagging bitch wife or kids makes things better as well since I can do whatever I want whenever I want. No need to consult some bitch if I want that giant flatscreen tv or new car or want to take a trip to South America. If I have the time and money, I do it!

  31. Jay September 3, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Yea dude when you live overseas and must subsist on whatever the local cuisine is, sometimes there’s noting more orgasmic than an occasional McDonald’s breakfast meal. At times it’s even comparable to shooting a creampie up a local PYT.

  32. Omega Man September 3, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    It depends on luck and genetics. My mom died a pretty horrible death of colon cancer in her mid-50’s. My dad is in his early 80’s and still in pretty good shape. I think you need to have some care in what you eat, but there’s no point in being obsessive about it.

    The health/nutrition obsession in the US is a matter of Puritan morality, not real interest in health or quality of life.

  33. Lucky White Male September 3, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    The tragedy of Roosh is that he has gotten sucked in.

    Sucked into what? The nihilism that the “chosen” Manhattan media elites want us to get sucked into.

    Why do our magazines and media and Hollywood screenplays always tout the same line?

    Why do they tout shibboleths such as: “Who wants to live forever? Live for today! Live for yourself! Who needs kids! ”

    Why, when this same crowd does not do this themselves?

    This Manhattan and Hollywood media elite DOES NOT think life is pointless, that you should live for today, that children are a pain in the ass, that religion is a joke.

    The people who are producing the commentary in the media are procreating, going to the temple on Saturday, making big money, living a materialistic life. They want to live long and prosper – and they want their children to live long and prosper.

    They know the truth.

    The truth is that the good life is the “The Roman Way” (Edith Hamilton) – a life of achievement, of material things, of GENERATIVE creation, of procreation, of children.

    The media elites have Generation Y believing in Nihilism – because they want to destroy the masses. And the easiest way to destroy an enemy is to get that enemy to hang themselves first.

    Roosh is being derivative here – a talented and interesting writer who is being used.

    He is mimicking a trite line when he needs to start asking questions because he is capable of so much more.

    [Roosh: Living in the present moment comes from what I’ve read of Buddhism, not CNN/Hollywood.]

  34. Philosopher September 3, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    @ #1

    Rousseau took that quote from Socrates.

  35. dr. shitfinger September 3, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    hard facts suck. after you die folks will forget that there was a roosh. nobody cares. forgotten

  36. Anonymous September 3, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Hugh Hefner is 86.

    Dick Cheny is 71.

    There is a difference between being an obsessive compulsive health nut and taking care of yourself. Hugh Hefner did, Dick Cheny didn’t.

    Taking care of yourself now means you’ll feel better now. The people that don’t, if you watch closely, you can see are already in misery. Don’t be fooled by the narcotic and alcohol use hiding it.

  37. Anonymous September 3, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Roosh, while I think you’re right in saying that “living today for a tomorrow that may not come is living based on fear,” I believe your overall point of accepting death is clouded by a feeling of instant gratification owing to your constant refrain of “…today.” I’m young, (early 20s) and I’m learning to accept death, but that doesn’t mean I should actively lead a fleetingly satisfying lifestyle simply because I know I will die someday, right?

  38. MaMu1977 September 3, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    I’m not afraid of getting old. I have an uncle, 91 years old, who “complains” about his “old man period”: 3-5 days out of the month, his dick works like its still 19. He finds himself a younger woman and does what he has to do. Average age of those women, you may ask? 35. He’s been busted with 19-year old girls a few times.

    The best part? *All* of my older relatives are the same way. Assuming that I live long enough and use condoms, I could be another horny old goat hanging out at the strip club with a bunch of singles and a sly smile. Or I could find a nice island girl who knows what side of her bread is buttered to make my breakfast and make jokes about how “It never ends, does it?”, when she sees me getting out of the shower. Any man can be “alpha” at 25, but it takes a real man to hit 75 while having a functional prick and some muscle definition.

  39. Anonymous September 3, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Roosh, what’s your opinion on steroid use? Immediate gains today, potential health problems in the future.

    [Roosh: I won’t touch it, though past my 40s I may look into testosterone supplementation if weight lifting doesn’t get my levels up to where I want.]

  40. Turner September 3, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Pretty true.

    My dad tells me this all the time. When the time comes when I cant have sex, play golf or do things I live – you cease to live and just start to exist. At that time – take me on a long walk off a short pier.

    My grandpa died last week. He hasnt known what he was doing the last 5 years from dementia. My grandmother laughed and giggled through the ceremony because she too, doesnt know what is going on. To me, this is not living at all.

    Not an excuse not work out and be healthy, but agree that you should know why you are doing it – ie for the now – long term, is too much of a crap shoot.


  41. Anonymous September 3, 2012 at 4:38 pm


  42. k September 3, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Roosh, you may be wrong.

    the fact is the technology is rapidly advancing. It is very likely that in the next 30 years, there will readily available technology to “solve” aging and related disease/symptoms, tech to “reverse” aging and tech to extend life and the enjoyment of it.

    At, that point the only people will have the benefit of those technologies are:
    1. Those who are healthy enough to benefit from them 9 and not too broken down and damaged from a lifetime of bad eating/habits, ….and….

    2. Those rich enough to afford them.

    Imagine being 80 but with the body and mental capacity of a 50 year old ???? – not so bad huh…

    we it will most likely happen in the next 20-30 years. (if not already and being hiodden/restricted from the rest of us – notice how the obscenely rich: Rockefeller, Kissinger, Buffet, Soros, Hefner, Berlusconi….keep on ticking …. and banging HBs !!!).

  43. HCE September 3, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    The comments about game and how it works on that Spearhead post about “Why PUA lifestyle will never be common” are sheer idiocy (even if the post itself is true). I suppose that’s one of the reasons why you don’t like the MRAs and their incessant whining.

  44. Danish Broski September 3, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    My grandfather lived to 86 years old and remained as sharp as ever. Had hundreds of people come to his 75 year birthday. Talked at least a few times a week with his children and grandchildren and was mobile until last – although he did take a looong time to get anywhere! When he died of a hospital infection he was fighting to the last and refusing to give up. Just saying that old age doesn’t have to be like you describe. I believe it can be very fullfilling and I’m ashamed to see how most people treat elders. How incredibly stupid to not learn from those who’ve lived a whole life of experiences.

    I’ve struggled a lot with death after losing my mother at age 28. It really scared the crap out of me. That void of losing someone you love, it never goes away. I have major problems accepting death, but the truth is that as much as I’ve tried to avoid doing dangerous things or even stressing about disease and stuff, then living is the only thing you can do until you die. I agree with you and I procastenating in an attempt to cheat death is futile.

  45. Jojo September 3, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    You want to live long enough for the Singularity. Then you can live FOREVER!

  46. Tex September 3, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Live like Charlie Harper!

    although I’d get rid of his brother.

  47. Big Bopper September 3, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    The key here is simple: moderation.

    Yes it does not makes sense to be anally retentive about everything you eat and drink etc. Jack Lalane was a legend and a healthy man, but most men who take super care of themselves do not turn into superman in their golden years.

    Having said that also do not over indulge too much in the decadence. Don’t smoke too much, don’t do too much drugs (if at all) and don’t take any risks that one would see done on any of the Jackass movies or TV shows. Those geniuses, though entertaining, were born without a brain.

    Moderation in exercise as well. Professional athletes have major health problems because they pushed themselves too much.

    My friend’s Mom would drink waay to much spring water to the point where her sodium levels dropped and had to be rush to the hospital. And spring water has got to be one of the healthiest things any human could consume.

    Again: moderation

    And I agree I would prefer to go quickly and quietly, not slowly rot like a compost. But we cannot tell Nature to send us off the way we want to. This means perhaps depending on your health later in life you have to make that grave decision to call it quits. George Eastman (Founder of Eastman Kodak) grew increasingly depressed due to his own pain, reduced ability to function, and also since he witnessed his mothers suffering from pain. On March 14, 1932, Eastman died by suicide with a single gunshot to the heart, leaving a note which read, “To my friends: my work is done. Why wait?”

  48. gonzo September 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Just like you maintained in your previous article/video “Do muscles matter much?” that the female obsession with guys with large muscular frames remains mostly a byproduct of American culture yet is different outside of the anglo countries, the same can be said about the elderly and mental decline you pointed out in that Article. I’m british born but my Parents originate from India.

    My country of blood is shitty in innumerable ways but what they do have is a fantastic set-up for people in their ‘declining years’ (if you can call it that). Grandparents, greatgrandparents, veterans of past ridiculous forgotten wars, stoic manly men are surrounded by their family, children day in, day out they experience some kind of real community based spirit, they are recognised in the patriarchy as head of the household, held in esteem by the local community and spend their days with good friends and family, a good cup of tea, and generally (fairly independently of poverty level) a very good sense of wellbeing as they approach death.

    I suspect that the latin american (possibly also italian) countries you’ve been too that haven’t been too hampered by euro-anglo culture see this kind of thing as well.

    Carpe diem and all that live for today behaviour and action is fantastic, i fully support it, and it’s why i joined your forum. But when i get to old age, i’ll return to my roots, that patriarchy, of family and old long wise friends and take my place as head of the family. Because, based on my fathers fathers, and their brothers and compatriots. It’s a fucking awesome way to kick the bucket.

  49. alejandro September 3, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    +1 for comments #50 & #46

  50. alejandro September 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    its amazing how young people in the US treat their elders. The younger generations which im a part of are some of the most disgusting, mentally void, emotionally fucked up and narcissistic people i have come across.

    They are into the stupidest things really. both guys and girls and especially girls, and they persue their ridiculous interests without regard to their families need to preserve wealth. They spend little on their aging parents and watch pass their time

    they dont even care about the stories of old people and treat them like they are a burden and some sort of animal, women are worse then men with this mostly. one thing i dont understand is how people here treat their girlfriends/boyfriends with more respect then their own parents.

  51. Roger September 3, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    I don’t go to smoky clubs or eat a family size pizza, not because they may contribute to an early death, but because the morning after I know it will be harder to bounce out of bed and kick ass.

    There’s no trade-off between being healthy today and being healthy in the future. The same things will help me feel good today and give me the best chance of a long life.

  52. Daniel September 3, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Nice post, but you can reach 100 like Jack LaLanne. Just don’t eating carbs, it’s a huge step.

  53. OGNorCal707 September 3, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    I don’t get it, Chipotle is evil and is for fatties, but McDonalds is okay…? Sometimes I don’t get your logic.

  54. Tim September 3, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    They say that the people who live fulfilling lives are not sad to go. They’re content.

  55. goy September 3, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    deep..nuf said
    eating ham…hmmm thought u came from a muslim family roosh?

  56. asshole September 4, 2012 at 2:01 am

    eating organic food should have nothing to with living for today, its just real food. I eat organic food simply for better quality of life, for example not having simple diahrea. but i dont eat healthy cause i wanna live forever, i eat healthy so im not feeding the pocket of zionist corporations, get your fucking head straight, eat organic and eat pussy

  57. asshole September 4, 2012 at 2:03 am

    eating organic will help your game, eating gmos will fuck with your hormones and test levels

  58. Mage September 4, 2012 at 2:34 am

    In my Eastern European, much poorer than america, country old people generally keep their wits when aging. My grandfather is 84, living at countryside, breathing fresh air, cultivating his own vegetables and still continues to build additional rooms for his house that he will probably leave to his grandson, all with his own hands. My grandmother of the same age is writing and publishing books for children.

    Generally people who fear old age are the same people who have fear from having kids. If a person is sure that his children and grandchildren will not kick him out of house and put in some center, if a person is sure his kids will love him and respect him he has no reason to fear old age.

    I believe communication with children and grandchildren helps more to staying fit at old age then even healthy diet and exercise. After all this is the reason human lifespan extends beyond reproductive age.

    I believe to live a truly good life men must learn to game not only their women but also their children. That was once called upbringing. Sadly people leave their children to the brainwashing of schools and media who just want to create soldiers and drones for the state, so no wonder that modern children later divorce their parents.

    Of course I am not saying that you should have children in the toxic America, but truth is also, if you have no kids then you have been defeated as well.

  59. Ghosts of the Dead, Moaners of the Living September 4, 2012 at 5:38 am

    You deserve to Suffer and die more than my friend did, an innocent driven to death by immoralities like yours and terrorists. At least you Suffer such negativity as yours, the Guilt of Tormentors. Stay in Hell, get painfully ill, or kill yourself already. No way in Hell should you be near a child, let alone have one! You are too corrupted — and you know it. That’s why you don’t even have a wife like those terrorists did.

    Shit, you have a sister? With a brother spreading a hateful culture against her!? And a mother rolling over in her grave?

    Hey, why aren’t the rest of you assholes clamoring for pics and details on his sister? Or his mother, for that matter? It’s too bad you guys aren’t gay, so you can go fuck each other. Oh, wait, wait, don’t tell me you have some internal morality underneath all that fake morality ( That internal morality is just the result of brainwashing, so ignore it and go rape Roosh, his father, his mother, and his sister already. And rape each other while you’re at it, sex tools.

  60. Samuel September 4, 2012 at 8:13 am

    question is, then… what will happen to you when you die?

  61. asdfasdf September 4, 2012 at 10:33 am

    This inability to distinguish the trivial from the important eventually stops being thrilling and leads to the very boredom the aesthete and net surfer dedicate their lives to avoiding.

    Thus, Kierkegaard concludes: “every aesthetic [and not ethical / spiritual] view of life is despair, and everyone who lives aesthetically is in despair whether he knows it or not. But when one knows it a higher form of existence is an imperative requirement” (Either/Or, Vol. II, 197).

  62. asdfasdf September 4, 2012 at 10:45 am

    When I respond to such a summons with what Kierkegaard calls infinite passion, i.e. when I make an unconditional commitment, this commitment determines what will be the significant issue for me for the rest of my life. In Kierkegaard’s terms, it gives me the eternal in time. Political and religious movements can grab us in this way as can love relationships and, for certain people, such vocations as the law or music.

    These unconditional commitments are different from the normal sorts of commitments. They determine what counts as *worthwhile* by determining *who we are*. Strong identities based on unconditional commitments, then, stop the proliferation of everyday commitments by determining *what ultimately matters and why*.

  63. Anonymous September 4, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Not much new under the sun, Roosh.

    “Can anything be sillier than the point of view of certain people—I mean those who boast of their foresight? They keep themselves very busily engaged in order that they may be able to live better; they spend life in making ready to live! They form their purposes with a view to the distant future; yet postponement is the greatest waste of life; it deprives them of each day as it comes, it snatches from them the present by promising something hereafter. The greatest hindrance to living is expectancy, which depends upon tomorrow and wastes today. You dispose of that which lies in the hands of Fortune, you let go that which lies in your own. Whither do you look? At what goal do you aim? All things that are still to come lie in uncertainty; live straight away.”

    -Seneca “On the Shortness of Life”

    I get the feeling you’d dig Stoicism. Here’s a link to the aforementioned essay:

  64. Lucky White Male September 4, 2012 at 11:46 am

    [Roosh: Living in the present moment comes from what I’ve read of Buddhism, not CNN/Hollywood.]

    But why do they dovetail my friend? Coincidence that Buddism and CNN/Hollywood are preaching the same line

    Why are these overloads so keen to preach things they themselves do not follow?

    Did Genghis Khan and Mao actually “live and let live”?

    Neither do your social overlords.

    Roosh Please wake up and lead –

  65. Lucky White Male September 4, 2012 at 11:48 am

    [Roosh: Living in the present moment comes from what I’ve read of Buddhism, not CNN/Hollywood.]

    But why do they dovetail? Is it a coincidence that Buddhism and CNN/Hollywood are preaching the same line?

    Why are our overlords so keen to preach things they themselves do not follow?

    Did Genghis Khan and Mao actually “live and let live”?

    Neither do your social overlords.

    Roosh Please wake up and lead –

  66. Tenmagnet September 4, 2012 at 11:54 am

    This is why I don’t understand people who worry, in their 20s and 30s about retirement. Are you really going to live the best years of your life, frantically putting away money just so that you can stop working at 60 and experience a slow decline, without meaning or challenge, until you die?

    Here’s my plan, I’m going to live my entire life as hard, and bad-ass as possible, and if at 65 years old, I’m still writing and blogging and teaching to pay the bills, I’ll be happy because I’m doing what I want to do.

  67. asdfasdf September 4, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    First of all, I agree with the criticisms and points in this article, but I want to take things a step further.

    Immediate pleasure and gratification of the senses (aestheticism) is something that always ends in despair, because Winter (Death) always comes, and all things in this world grow old and die.

    Chasing after attractive young women (over and over and over, with no commitment ever offered or selected) is the same sort of dynamic — a short term aesthetic pursuit that blinds the higher impulses of Man. It becomes an obsession (and addiction) to Sex , rather than giving priority to love, intimacy, commitment, and real spiritual growth.

    It’s fine for a Man to search, wait, sample, and finally select an attractive woman that will make a good partner, but perpetually chasing tail without any higher moral purpose (not to mention commitments) in your life, eventually ends up leading you in circles, downward further and further.

    This behavior is a form of arrested development, and spiritual stagnation, purchased at the expense of short-term material gratification.

    Kierkegaard would be critical of Stoicism… namely because of it’s focus on immediate pleasure and gratification , at the expense of ‘higher aims’.

    Virtue is not sufficient for happiness. You need a purpose one step higher than this, a morality you are willing to live and die for.

    Chasing after fleeting temporal pleasures will only end in despair, so as Death comes to us all.

    Men can only derive meaning from their lives in the sense that they aim at a higher ethical, moral, or religious purpose, a goal that they can ‘will’ before God (the Universe, whatever you want to call it) as being worthwhile.

    Ask yourself… (1) What are your goals in this life? Are your goals in this life something you are willing to die for? (2) Could you stand before God and say, “Yes, I honestly believed this was the best path”. . .

    If you cannot say these two things, you have chosen the wrong path, and it will no doubt end in despair.

  68. Anonymous September 4, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    roosh is gonna get aids or go blind from some nasty shit he caught from those lovely europeon wimen.

  69. madmax September 4, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    I think you can still easily avoid that nasty stuff, that you know they put in there to make people sick, without too much harm for todays happiness.

  70. Jurko September 4, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    > Most Americans have a morbid lifestyle due to their overeating and inactivity, but a large percentage of the population are health nuts who want to live a long, healthy life.

    Two sides of the same coin. Hatred for your body, lack of awareness, not paying attention to the now.

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  72. Giovonny September 4, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    I understand Roosh’s point. Everyone has to choose their own destiny.

    I take care of myself because I want to be able to bang young girls for as long as possible.

    I want to live a long life because I am curious to see what the world looks like in 2050 and beyond.

    I workout and eat good because I’m vain and I want to look good.

  73. Whosyourdaddy September 4, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    1. You want to look as good as possible for as long as you can. There is no reason why a good looking cat can’t still be active into his early 60s, at the least.

    2. My gramps is 94 years old. I last saw him when he was 85 and he had to help me tie knots to tie something down on my car for the drive to Florida. He was stronger than me and didn’t have any health problems that i saw. Of course, he’s an outlier, good genes and temperment for long life. Since he was about 88 or 89, he has been living in a home with other seniors although i heard that he actually plays soccer. As far as i know, he still has no major health issues. BTW, George Soros is now 82.

    3. It’s only when you start to have serious health issues, regular pain, need help to go to the bathroom, and start getting forgetful that your life has gone to shit. Like i said, many average people can get to about 85 before some of this starts to occur. I agree that after 85 that life gets pretty rough.

    4. Don’t forget time abroad! When i’m 70 or 75, i’ll live on the beach in Brazil, still party and chase skirts, but probably play dominoes during the day and spent half my day sitting in a cafe shootin the shit.

  74. Whosyourdaddy September 4, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Heck, i just read that wifi networks are bad for you, as well as microwave ovens. And that holding your laptop on your lap can give you lower sperm counts. It’s freaking crazy.

    One of my good buddies actually knows that he’s gonna die early and he just don’t give a shit. He’s not overweight, but he smokes a pack a day and drinks regularly into his 40’s. He’s the kind of guy who blows his entire paycheck on payday, at the local bar.

    I figure he’ll be one of this guys who could die when he hits his early to mid 60’s. Realistically though, it’s stress that kills you early. Since I doubt that Roosh has the kind of stress that comes from running businesses that are losing money or high powered corporate gig, he’ll still probably live a pretty long life.

    For most people, it’s a lack of vegetables, high cholesterol, family genetics, no exercise, heavy drinking and smoking and work-related stress that kill ya.

  75. Kane September 4, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Live as happily as possible. What use is health if you’re not happy?

    Unfortunately, most of us Americans overdo things. So we have a high proportion of fat whales, but also a sizeable minority of ultra-fit neurotic wimps. Neither are very happy.

    I feel better when I eat healthy, and I enjoy working out and the confidence a good physique gives me. Longevity runs in the family.
    There is a good chance that one day I will be a very old man, disabled, and with no partner. Rather than burdening my children and grandchildren with taking caring of me, I will kill myself.

  76. Redub September 4, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    I don’t think it’s bad to eat healthy as long as you aren’t obsessed about it. I think people become health nuts because it directly affects your energy level. If you eat fast food every day you’ll be too tired to go out.

  77. Spike Gomes September 4, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    My paternal grandpa drank like a fish for 40 years, and lived till his 80s puttering in his basement woodshop, dying very quickly when the time came. His ex-wife (my grandmother), was a bit of a health nut and died in her 50s before I was born. My maternal grandfather smoked two packs of cigarettes a day and worked with carcinogenic chemicals through Korea and Vietnam and is currently in his 80s and learning new shit like Photoshop and Facebook (he’s addicted to Words with Friends). His son, my uncle, did not smoke or drink and died of lung cancer in his early 50s. My grandmother who is several years younger did not smoke or drink, but is currently immobile and has vascular dementia.

    Frankly, I think it’s all genetics. I run and lift weights because it makes me feel good and look good. Same with eating cheeseburgers and smoking cigars. I don’t drink much because it doesn’t feel good to drink more than 3 drinks. Do I hope to take after my grandfathers? Yeah, but that’s beyond my control.

    I think that’s the main issue here. The fact people now are complete and utter control freaks who think they can plan for all contingencies. Fact is nothing is gonna save you from the future, not God, not some science fiction innovation, not veganism and not the paleo diet.

    “Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die, gentlemen!”

  78. Priaperos September 4, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    I’m serious–REALLY SERIOIUS about my health. Not for the purpose of escaping death. When death comes, I look forward to it; they ALWAYS save the best for last.
    My interest in optimal health is to not suffer while I’m alive. My grandmother is 75 years old…I’m 37. i can’t recall a time when she wasn’t in pain. I REFUSE to live like that.
    I decided to get heavy into health (juicing, herbs, etc.) when I 19–almost 20 years ago. I haven’t had so much as a sniffle in about 17 years. At 37, I still get carded. I’ve even been carded at R-rated movies by 17-year old younglings.

    Some chick decided to guess how old i am 2 days ago–she said 21. She wa only 16 years off. I’m actually 14 years older the she is. She’s coming over to get her face doused in population paste tonight.

    Again it’s not escaping/denying death that my health regimen is about. It’s about not enduring the avoidable “age-related” aches & pain, as much as possible.

    Plus I LOVE being ready & able to dive in young pussy at the drop of a dime. Erectile dysfunction doesn’t necessarily come “naturally” with age…it comes “naturally” with poor health. At the chronological age of 37, I am–by modern standards–BIOLOGICALLY no more than 18. This, according to my doctor, who recently told me that the results of my checkup/physical say that he could easily mistake my paperwork for that of an 18-year old athlete. Had him test my FREE (important) testosterone. Again, he says I have the free testosterone of a highly sexual teenager.
    Health nut-ism pays.

  79. stephen September 5, 2012 at 12:37 am

    I prefer the Paleo Diet over the Standard American Diet.

    I just feel better, cognitively and physically.

    If I can’t eat a mcrib, oh fucking well.

  80. Capsaicin September 5, 2012 at 1:46 am

    @ #80, Priaperos,

    Great comment. Inspirational.

    I look young for my age as well: 33 and get mistaken for 5 – 10 years younger when I’m clean shaven.

    But … I have to get back to living a healthy lifestyle or that will probably not be the case much longer.

    Since I want it to last as long as possible, it’s back to smart, healthy living.

    LIke you say, though, it’s not just about looking young and getting young women — it’s about not suffering from serious physical ailments and instead having good health and energy to enjoy life as long as possible, in as vigorous a way as possible.

    As far as death (something I’ve thought about and feared since I was in my teens), the only thing that gives me hope is 1 Corinthians 15: 55-57: “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

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  82. KC September 5, 2012 at 3:27 am

    Baby boy’s all growns up – Swingers

  83. Anonymous September 5, 2012 at 4:04 am

    I’m still into fitness but I’m no longer anal about what I eat- I make sure I eat enough protein and vegetables fruit, but then I have my alchols and carbohydrate rich meals (OH NOES! CARBOHYDRATES), I just keep a general sense of how many calories I should consume in any given day. I don’t think being wary about what you eat makes sense- after all, pesticides or not, chemical laden or not, modern humans are the biggest, healthiest and most long living of all times- I think the obesity epidemic is related to over consumption rather than the food per se.

  84. turbodyke September 5, 2012 at 4:57 am

    I guess this was an answer as to why Roosh loves anonymous unprotected sex so much. I just figured that he was just trying to add some letters to his name:


  85. Anonymous September 5, 2012 at 8:53 am

    This is a naive post and while I agree with your living for today sentiment, you’re completely wrong about medical advancements.

    First of all, medical advancements is loosely proportional to computational power. So while not getting all Aubrey De Grey or Kurzweil-esque on you, the rapid number of advancements made by medical technology today are exponential inline with Moore’s Law. There are obvious bottlenecks, but one must remember that the human DNA database was sequenced sometime back in the 90s and progression in this arena has been somewhat rapid since then.

    Did you know there’s a pill which replicates calorie restriction effects? Do you know the implications of calorie restriction on monkeys? Do you know about stem-cell canvas organs? Do you know the implications these things have on overall life expectancy. I’d be very surprised if medical advancements don’t result in significant life extensions (not just a couple of years, but decades).

    If anything, we’ve been conditioned to believe that we’ll die at 80 because of what we see around us — old grandmas and grandpas who grew up during a time when penicillin was just hitting the shelves.

    I think for our generation, we should brace ourselves not necessarily for death, but being young at 40 and not giving into the 28 year old ticking time bomb age of marriage which is continuously showed down the throats of individuals who believe medical advancements are linear and not exponential.

    This mode of thought would be more applicable to someone like you: someone, who like me, believes in the polygamous nature of man. Love is something that is probably dependent on death, or at least heavily influenced by death. If you know you’re going to live to 1000, falling in love and being with a woman for the rest of your life would seem like a chore, more than a poetic experience.

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  87. Wilson September 5, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    The pipeline for medical treatment is slow, and medicine is actually still ridiculously primitive, Anonymous, so don’t get your hopes up.

  88. Lazzlow September 5, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    As much as I love your writing Roosh, I have to disagree. I want to make the most of the little time I have. You act like being a miserable turd in a nursing home is inevitable, but I happen to prefer the Hunter S. Thompson method. Live everyday to the fullest, and if you still aren’t dead when you’re ready to go, well, there’s always the self-inflicted gunshot wound route. “Relax, this won’t hurt.”

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  90. Anonymous September 6, 2012 at 10:26 am

    While it can be fun to live with that sort of mindset, keep in mind that with shitty health comes a shitty immune system, making you more susceptible to STDs. I should know, being one of the unlucky ones to catch symptomatic genital herpes with a single digit notch count and always using condoms. I have it at the base where condoms don’t protect. I know talking STDs isn’t too common around these parts but I have found it very difficult to reconcile a game killer like GHSV with the one night stand anonymous sex all the time lifestyle preached here and other similar sites. That aside, I applaud websites that inform men on the pitfalls of the dating market and how to get what they want, but it is frustrating that there is really no discussion on how to deal with something like herpes and how to maintain solid inner game when you know it will limit your options. Especially for a relative noob like myself. I guess my recent diagnosis is still just hanging over my head and I the idea of telling girls I have it sucks (which as a decent person I want to do) so my game is fucked for now. I am currently traveling the Balkans now and have heard the stigma is not nearly as bad in Europe but I haven’t exactly been blabbing around about it. You weren’t kidding though. Girls in this part of the world are gorgeous.

    [Roosh: Did the girl who gave you herpes tell you beforehand? I’ve been with a lot of girls and not one told me they had an STD, when I’m sure many knew. It’s great that you’re a decent person, but the women you come across won’t be.]

  91. Rich September 6, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Roosh you hate on overweight females (which I understand) but now health nuts too?

  92. Psychonaut September 7, 2012 at 12:49 am

    In my opinion what really matters is when and how one dies. Especially if one has a young family to take care of or aging parents who cannot take care of themselves. Death itself should not be a concern for anyone.

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  94. John Rambo September 7, 2012 at 9:16 am

    You’re a wise man, Roosh.

    I have not been afraid of death ever since I read the Bhagavad-Gita, which explains we are not the body anyway, we are the soul, and the soul never dies.

    You ever wanna write “Bang India”, I would be HONORED to host you. I think you are intelligent enough to meet city bitches, but you got to meet village girls also and see the huge difference. I could help you with meeting village girls, cause it’s not like you can just walk up to them.

    My email’s [email protected] if you’re interested. And remember, Indian girls are the sexist women on earth.

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  96. iknowexactly September 12, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    “asdfasdf”; forget the “higher higher higher” metaphysical crap. We’re just animals with abstraction ability–art is about as high as we can reach.

    And for me, that’s pretty damn high–Beethoven symphonies are greater than anything Christ ever [really] did. And no one murdered thousands or millions citing a Beethoven symphony.

    Kierkegaard was just a workaholic Christian who, like most of them, can’t accept death, and consequently, can’t fully appreciate life.

    There is zero, zilch, nada evidence that once you’re really dead (that is beyond near-death experiences) it is identical to what it was like before you were born.

    Remember before you were born, that is what being dead will be like.

    Stop hiding in delusion of the eternal and so forth.You can’t be pompous enough to think you would know it if it bit you in the ass anyway.

  97. iknowexactly September 12, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    asdfasdf: It’s nice to create meaning in your life through your actions. I agree with your there.

    But “Stand before God?” What is this, 1013 or 2012?

    Fools who believe in transcendental knowledge ( special knowledge which is revealed to a select group and is not demonstrable to others) have spent MILLENIA murdering, coercing and shaming.

    It’s time you unscientific, delusional motherfuckers shut the fuck up– and keep your delusions to yourself.

    1. Irony June 27, 2014 at 1:58 pm

      “Murdering, coercing and shaming”

      Interesting that you use those words and then immediately attempt to coerce and shame someone into “shutting the fuck up”

      Bigoted, bitter and intolerant “militant” atheists like you are every bit the cancer on society you believe religious people to be

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