Do Black Guys Have A Game Advantage?

If you’re a white guy just starting out in the game, you may have witnessed black guys talking to girls of different races with the appearance of making easy progress. Perhaps you wonder if it’s just easier to get laid if you’re black, something I’ve thought of myself before getting into the game.

From what I’ve observed in the field over the past ten years, it’s actually harder for a black guy to get with a non-black woman. Many people underestimate that a majority of women are totally closed off to the idea of dating a black man or any other man outside her race for whatever reason. They may have dated a black man once in the past, but don’t have the open mentality that is needed for a newcomer to properly seduce her. On the other hand, the girls who do like black guys will be much more passionate about trying to get with them than a girl who likes white or Latino guys.

Let’s say I go out with a black guy to a random club in Argentina. I estimate that ten out of the fifty girls there will be be somewhat open to dating me. I’ll have to work to get them, and my results will vary, but I have a shot with these ten girls. Only two or three out of the fifty girls will be open to dating my black friend, but those few will be much more vigorous in letting that interest be known. They will look at him more and maybe even approach him outright, where I’d have to do my own approaches. Even though he has significantly less options, his chance of closing that night will be higher than mine.

Black guys have a more limited selection in potential partners that are outside their race, but they have it easier with a girl who is already predisposed to liking black guys. If you compare a white guy and black guy with equal game and looks, the white guy will slightly edge him out on quality, and the black guy on quantity. To me that comes out as a wash. While I often see hate on black guys for going after heavy set girls, any truth to that can be attributed to their personal preferences of desiring thickness, not an innate inability to scoring higher quality.

Unless you’re talking about special situations like a blonde haired guy in Brazil, white and black guys have no significant game advantage over each other.

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First

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how bout those poor azns?

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There is one thing you might not be factoring in here: women’s fear of being seen as a girl who dates black guys.

Many non-black men instinctively recoil when they seea non-black girl with a black man. Girls understand this and feel this, and so many, who may be attracted, shy away from dating one, or else try to keep any former black boyfriends from being known about by later, non-black boyfriends.

Particularly, Asian men that I’ve known have been quite repulsed by an otherwise attractive girl if they find out she has dated black men or shown interest in them. In fact, the only non-black men I’ve known who haven’t had a poor reaction to a black-loving girl have been 1) SWPLers trying to prove how open they are; 2) whiggers; and 3) alphas.

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It is really the fear of trying to compete with a black man based on the sexual stereotypes. It is the same reason other men feel less threaten if the woman is with an Asian man. Based on sexual stereotype, they just don’t perceive the Asian male as a sexual threat.

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Its because black guys have bigger penises and thats a threat to other men. When asian guy is with girls you dont feel threatened. Basic logic. That BBC is a threat

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For some maybe..for me its just a mutual rejection.. If white girl prefers blacks then i dont prefer her because she has rejected her white heritage..i dont mind fucking half black girls i just dont date them

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Youre in denial. Like i said if you saw an asian guy dating a white girl you wouldnt feel any sort of threat

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No, I pretty much don’t like them either.

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It’s a myth that all or most black guys have larger penises.

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More Alphas would have that negative reaction than you would think. To them, it lowers her value.

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And they are wise to do so. I don’t care if we have been happily married for decades. I find out she was ever a mudshark and it’s over. Immediately.

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I think another problem a lot of them have is that they don’t know how to modify their approach for non-black girls. In one word I would describe their game as “clowning.”

I’ve seen black guys try to day game both white girls and black girls. They usually have a big grin on their face and tease a lot, but in a really aggressive way. While their words might be indirect, there is no doubt about his real intent. Sometimes this works on the black girls, but almost never on white girls. Some white girls might banter with the guy a bit and have fun, but there’s no doubt that she’s going to shoot him down when he asks for her contact info.

If you’re a black guy who wants to get with a quality white girl, you have to run low key, indirect game. Basically, the only advertisement of your “dangerous” black side should be the color of your skin. As long as you’re not a David Alexander, that will be on her mind from the beginning. Give too much away and you’ll scare her off. Most likely, her hamster will be running without you having to say a word about it.

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My observation in college is that being white or black or hispanic is basically neutral in terms of game.

But being Asian (Indian, Chinese, Korean, etc) is a definite disadvantage. There’s the reality that most Asian men are smaller and nerdier than others. Then there’s the perception of nerdiness/lameness that these poor guys must overcome.

At UCLA, I see tons and tons of Asian girls openly dating white guys, but it’s very rare to see a white girl with a Chinese or Indian guy. When it does happen, the white girl is usually fat or ugly (though the Asian guy will think he’s king of the world).

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Yes this is true, for strange reasons Asian men seem to white women as a trophy, though most will not be bold enough to pursue. Lucky is the girl who does actual get hooked up with an asian man because he will drool over her for the rest of his life.

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It’s because Asian culture is obsessed with white people and America. They love it! Over in China, they hire young white men and women to hang out at business parties, etc. For some reason they think having white people around makes them look better and more important. Better at business etc. Kinda weird, but i watched a whole documentary about it.

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Bruce Lee met wife Linda in college and married her….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SiH1eZl4t0

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um the asian girls you see with white guys tend to be unattractive as well. the best looking asian girls always seem to end up with asian dudes. in fact, i was at ucla last week and didn’t really see any attractive asian female students the whole day i was there.

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Being black is not an automatic cakewalk in the dating world like so many people think it is.

The main challenge for a black guy approaching non-black women, as Roosh and A.nonny.mous have already noted, is the negative perception.

If you’re black, you need to get used to the fact that a large majority(perhaps nearly the entirety) of any group of non-black women you go up to might be wary of you and the stereotypes associated with people who look like you. You have a much steeper hill to climb from the get-go because some of the women are already prepared to shy away from you due to social concerns(don’t wanna be judged by non-black men, fear that you might be a player or have STDs, etc).

If they’re not particularly socially experienced(I encounter a lot of girls like these at the Ivy I go to-smart, upper class, sometimes quite pretty, but awkward and not too used to more aggressive looking black dudes) they might even just be kind of intimidated by you, and that will make your interactions awkward even when you do get a date.

It isn’t all doom and gloom. A small minority of girls who are fond of black guys will always be open and often will approach more aggressively, and if you mesh within a social circle most other non-black women become open over time(almost as though you’ve “vetted” yourself).

But in many cases you end up working a lot harder to achieve the same quality that a white man with equivalent levels of game will pull.

Plenty of guys out here in the blogosphere(VK, Assanova, etc) have proven that race is in no way a roadblock to success. I mentioned earlier in this post that it is tougher for black guys at my college because girls here are very wary of most black dudes. Guys here have responded by tailoring their game to be far less aggressive with a more long-term focus on comfort-building, and a lot of them have found some success(even girlfriends).

That being said, the bottomline is that dating as a black dude is a trickier process than a lot of people seem to think. Being black certainly does not make it easier to get laid, and in many environments you end up working harder.

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About ten years ago a white college-aged girl I knew told me that, if she danced with a black guy at a club, the white guys who saw them consequently wouldn’t approach her to dance. That surprised me, and maybe it shouldn’t have, but the concept had never occurred to me in my own game.

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It doesn’t surprise me.

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That is completely correct and not just in the case of black guys. Asian girls particularly non US citizen Asian girls are almost blacklisted in the eyes of Asian men if they have ever dated anyone outside of their race.

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I’m sorry, but that is because most Asian guys ARE beta pussies. In college, I had an American-Chinese roommate who had zero trouble picking up as an Asian man. And that was before any of us knew what game is. He was just fit, dressed well, and acted like a natural. As a result he had zero problems picking up white girls, and Asian women practically threw themselves on him.

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@UCLA: I go to UCLA too and I’m not sure who you’re hanging out with, but it’s not as doom and gloom as you make it out to be. First, regarding the Asian girl/white guy thing: to me that’s basically a non-issue b/c the Asian girls are equally as aggressive/open to dating a white guy. I’ve never seen a group of girls valorize and worship whiteness as much as Asian girls, so all a white guy basically has to do is show up, LOL. Also, you don’t see too many quality white guys with Asian girls.

Second, white girls at UCLA, on the whole, don’t really date anyone else but white guys. I’d really be curious to see any stats, but I’m pretty confident in that. The frat scene is pretty segregated, as is the campus in general. You might see some white girls with black athletes, and then you have the bohemian progressive commie types who make it a point to screw the rainbow.

Also, I’d distinguish in terms of East Asian guys and South Asian (Indian) guys. There’s definitely the perception of lameness and nerdiness in both, but I think there’s more variation amongst Indian guys in terms of looks (skin color, height, features) than there is for East Asian guys, which leads to varied outcomes. I have a lot of East Asian and Indian friends, and while you can almost always tell that an East Asian is East Asian, you can’t always with an Indian. I have one Indian friend who looks almost Greek, and one who looks like he just stepped off the set of Roots. So while you may only the second guy and think, “Indian,” you’re ignoring the first guy b/c he doesn’t register as Indian to you, you know?

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Yeah, black guys can suffer if they bring thug game to non-black women. All but a handful of the women will run screaming away. Quite frankyl, while black women need to be thugged hard, non-black women will reject you if hint at it.

On the other hand, many black men who play the oppressed black man game, or try to show they’re minimal “street” but yet “authentically” black (i.e. they are liberal, talk about raciasm a lot, the “struggle”) can snag some hipster sluts who want to prove how “open” they are–open meaning they want a token black boyfriend to prove their SWPL-approved non-racism card. That, and many SWPL sluts want to see if the genitalia/sex stereotypes are true, despite outward denials of it.

Bottom line: being black can really help so long as you realize the line between how you act towards black women and how you act to non-black woemn. And you hang out with testosterone-deprived SWPLs/hipsters, who only allow liberal minority men the right to show a bit of manliness.

As for Asian/Indian dudes, it’s patently unfair. I have known some pairings, but usually the guy is an exquisite dresser and/or throws a lot of parties—in other words, money and social power.

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I’m sorry, but that commentary is completely inaccurate. I don’t know which black women you have observed to make these generalizations; however, I can tell you that I know quite a few and none would be open to any man being “street” or acting like a thug. I know that is what they show on television, but I wouldn’t believe everything you see there or try to judge a population based on limited experiences and observations. Most young ladies at university, regardless as to their ethnicity, run for the hills when approached by that type of guy.

Also, I never saw many “thugs” at university (being that thugs are, by definition, of a lower socioeconomic class).

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actually, asian dudes who are good looking and grew up in the west and seen as rather desirable by white and hispanic women. they would generally do better than pretty much any black dude. if anything, they probably have a higher ceiling than any other minority, as in they can get the best quality and hottest girls outside of their race, all else being equal.

partly because asians don’t carry as much “otherness” as blacks and darker minorities. they have a skin tone similar to whites, tend to be more culturally assimilated, and more similar when it comes to education and income levels.

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@6 Lou P.: Yup, that’s what I’ve been told, and also what I’ve experienced. I do it myself; its completely instinctual. I’ve also had a couple of gfs who deliberately hid their former jungle fever:

1. One, a former fattie, tried to weedle her way closer to me by claiming she was a sports fan (as if I care). When I asked which sports, she started happily chatting about her college days and early 20s loving the NBA and having season tickets…before quickly stopping, stuttering. and claiming that “it was actually a much shorter time” and “she just went with her boyfriends.” I smelled it off her, and she knew it: former NBA groupie.

2. Another girl,a non-black, grew up in a lack ghetto, yet, suspiciously, never talked about any men she dated from back home, only the guys she dated after she moved out at the end of college. It took a while, but I rooted around and found pics of her with the gangstas back home—and it turned me the hell off.

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I agree with what Roosh said, I myself have blogged about this many times. It can be frustating seeing your white friends with less game get chicks easier and your literally busting your ass and your not getting the same caliber.

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This is an interesting post. I live in Chicago and it is very rare to see black men with non-black women. This is amazing because blacks are one third of the city and twenty percent of the metro area. In small hillbilly towns as close as an hour drive from Chicago( rockford, central IL, Indiana), its actually common to see black men score. What’s the difference?? Economic opportunity. In big cities, whites tend be somewhat sophisticated and make good money. Whites in small towns are broke, and tend to view blacks as their peers.

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The advantages of being black is that the “bad boy” image is already given to you by default in a lot of cases whether warranted or unwarranted, for better or worse.

Personally, all of the white girls that Ive messed with in my life as a black man did basically throw themselves at me or made it blatantly obvious that they were interested. I dont think Ive ever just approached a white girl cold on the street.

And yes, the quality of white girl does usually go down if they are dating black men. Ive never had a chance with what I would consider a top notch white girl…u gotta be rich for those lol

But yea, generally speaking being black actually makes it a little harder to game women because they are already assuming that you have game and are a lot more skeptical. Its not like the wolf in sheeps clothing effect when it comes to a white man that is assumed to be a nice guy but really has game.

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girls who like blacks tend to be complete whores who tend to be more aggressive about going after men regardless

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I can confirm this. My nympho friend (yes, with benefits) has a thing for black guys but she lives in the SW of England now, very white part of the world.

If she’s in a club and sees a black guy, she will actively seduce him. She’s told me she’s literally only rejected one black guy, and that was because he had that retarded look Somalians get with the goofy teeth.

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hey guys. im an asian nerd joining the debate here.

as far as blacks go it is also a scarcity issue.

like in australia non-muslim Blacks are quite rare, compared to their spread in the USA.
so any chick with a penchance for black meat was quite aggressive about getting her fill when she chanced upon a “brutha”. it got to the extent where ‘fake’ blacks were riding on the coattails of african americans. in australia, african americans are seen as ultra-cool because a) they have a cool accent. all hollywood movies and late night shows etc are basically american so the accent has so status-pull in australia, where the population have a mild inferiority complex. although it is getting better/ worse depending on your viewpoint with the usa economy going downhill etc.

b) Blacks have an extreme cool factor associated with them in australia. due to positive (in terms of pussy-tingling) media exposure. i mean on tv, movies and music clips they are basically portrayed as either super athletes, gangsters, mad dancers or rappers. hence you can understand the cool factor associated with blacks.

i mean when was the last time you saw a black geeky nerd in the media. probably steve urkel from twenty million years ago.

ps. by ‘fake’ blacks i mean the no-frills blacks like somalians, sudanese etc. that emigrated to asutralia as refugees. even the established blacks of a community sometimes look down on these interlopers.
from personal experience, an ethiopian bouncer (he was huge for his race and looked like ronnie coleman) i met in copenhagen described muslim immigrants to denmark as ‘cockroaches’. they had no grip of english, no money and no status but passed themselves off as african-americans he said. much like the current situation in australia where somalians are wearing baggy sean john pants and getting $5 dollar fake gold chain necklaces to wear cos african-americans are basically seen as the shizzel in australia. the somalians etc have a build like a rake, not a rapper and speak english worse than my vietnamese grandmother but that doesnt stop some girls (oddly enough usually fatties) getting the BBD (big black dick – as explained to me by an african guy).

as Scientist Roosh would appreciate in nature they have a thing called mimicry. some non-poisonous frogs and lizards have evolved to display a similar colour scheme to their poisonous brethren. It helps them survive because their natural predators see the coloured patterns and are fooled into thinking they are the poisonous species. They end up leaving these imposters alone and hence they are free to prosper and ride on the coattails of the real deal.

In a similar vein, the somalians etc are riding off the trail blazed by their black brothers. (mixed some metaphors there lol)

as for asian guys..let’s not go there.

put it this way: when a girl sees a black guy they may think: 50 cent, pdiddy, usain bolt but when they see an asian guy they think: william hung.

…And that’s about the one and only occasion where you DON’T want a girl to look at you and think you’re HUNG.

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Hung is foreign and unattractive though. if you’re a decent looking westernized asian, you will be seen in a completely different light. you might remind girls of jeremy lin, john cho, the guy from walking dead, etc. any girl worth having will see you based on your own individual merits anyways, so media is irrelevant.

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“brutha”?

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My Nigga. this is true of some part of Europe too. You will always be able to pick up good looking women in Belgique, France etc even if you dont look like Trey Songs. Most blacks in the States have zero international exposure anyway and they deal with you with the zoo approach. which is terrible.

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Try applying that theory in Korea or China.. They are seriously racist.

Any advantage is location dependent – Prejudice combined with supply and demand. My Black mates who travel generally find it harder to hook up in most places, but real easy in others.

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Naughty, I call b.s. Hines Ward is half-Korean, half-black, and his father met his mother while in the service in Korea.

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@nyguen
heres an interview with an asian pua who overcame the stereotypes and shortcomings:
http://nextlevellifestyles.com/djfuji/
Asian guys aren’t doomed to celibacy.

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If you’re a black guy, try visiting Japan. A lot of girls have a fetish for black guys there, and will jump on you. You can get similar results by being white and American, too.

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What self respecting individual would be with someone who only wanted them to fulfill some silly race related fetish?

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Someone who wants to swim in a pool of pussy and/or capitalize on these overzealous petites.

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This is exactly the same thing for White guys in East Asia. Majority of girls won’t be open to dating a white guy for any number of reasons, but the ones that are will be all over him. It’s a heady experience because it SEEMS like every girl wants you.

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Solid take on the matter. The only thing I’ll add is that it seems easier for a black men to hook up with black women than it is for white men to do the same with white women. At the risk of sounding offensive, black women seem to have higher libidos and need less “comfort” time to properly game. They’re also more outgoing than white women, and seem receptive to approaches.

Furthermore, in America, a significant chunk of black men are imprisoned, which means that the supply of available black men is lower than the demand. Finally, black women seem to want black men, and consider white men to be a weak substitute.

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I’m pretty sure a significant number of black women would very much take offense to your comments. To my knowledge, there are no stats to support a relationship between ethnicity and libido.

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I think it depends environment. Obviously there’s gonna be countries or metro areas where pulling non black women will be easier.

Also, I think many black dudes think they can’t pull in the south/red states but it’s not so. A lot of chics from texas and indiana love black guys! While in the northeast and the midatlantic you have alot of covert racists. Don’t be fooled because they vote Democrat.

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@A.nonny.mous:
“Naughty, I call b.s. Hines Ward is half-Korean, half-black, and his father met his mother while in the service in Korea.”

Nah dude, he’s right. Racism in SK is bad, especially when it comes to interracial dating. Korean girls tolerate whites and will go with them, but the perception of blacks there is very poor and black men do not do well. the existence of a few half-korean Blasians like Ward and Amerie doesn’t change this generally negative trend.

You guys may know Gorbachev, who comments at Roissy and a lot of other game blogs. He’s lived in Asia for quite some time, specifically in South Korea and knows the market there like the back of his hand. Here was his extremely detailed commentary when I asked him about blacks in South Korea:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/in-praise-of-american-women/#comment-240464

Bottomline for black men in East Asia: Go straight to Japan and/or maybe China, which is a sleeper. Skip the Korean peninsula altogether.

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I don’t know why there is so much obession with race.

Hell, the most important thing is actually getting out there and meeting girls. The law of averages alone guarantees you will eventually get something decent.

Race has an impact in the dating market? Well, so does looks, height, wealth, natuaral charm, class, how you dress, etc. There are so many factors that obsessing about race is pretty trivial.

Yet, if you ever visit the RooshV forum, you would think that race is the only factor that matters when choosing a destination to travel to.

Funny that on a game site so many guys really just don’t want to have to “work” at all when they go to a specific local.

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Issues like this is always interesting.

How much of the hurdles can game help you overcome?

Obviously, in a given society, one group of people has a preference over others–just a human nature.

Can techniques (inner game/outer game/etc), fame, and money escalate your chances and success rates? Obviously, but of course, some must pay more price than others.

Suck it up. Life isn’t fair. You simply learn to play, hopefully well, or don’t play at all.

Your choice.

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@Athlone: Agree with everything you wrote about blacks in Asia.

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16 Hughman

I can confirm this. My nympho friend (yes, with benefits) has a thing for black guys but she lives in the SW of England now, very white part of the world.

If she’s in a club and sees a black guy, she will actively seduce him. She’s told me she’s literally only rejected one black guy, and that was because he had that retarded look Somalians get with the goofy teeth.

I likee having friends with benefits and have one now, but not one this indiscriminate and so black loving. Talk about a petri dish puss. Ahh … I think I’ll pass.

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I see a valid point a lot of you have raised – the judgement of your peers. A white woman my be reluctant to even be seen talking to a black guy (she may have no intent beyond simply talking to him like she would any other human being) for fear of being judged by white males, or even her own girlfriends. We have to acknowledge that people can be extremely bigoted (and those very people who judge her would deny being racist if asked), and that can be impossible to overcome. Many people in interracial relationships/marriages need a certain strength, because there will always be individuals in their circle who don’t approve.

Stereotyping is the other major hurdle, and some of the previous posts illustrate that. The whole “thug” stereotype is particularly ridiculous, in that black people can be as diverse in terms of backgrounds as anyone else. We’re not all from the “hood,” and even those of us that did grow up in those neighborhoods aren’t all thug either. It’s hard to overcome the hangups of others, and it can be tiring to always feel you have to put on a certain persona just to have a normal conversation with someone that isn’t black. Folks just need to relax and talk to each other the way they’d talk to anyone else.

As for the Black/Asian thing, I know guys that are in the music business that have worked/performed in Japan. There is a definite interest in black and/or Hip-Hop culture there, so within that subculture a black guy could find success. I don’t know if WuTang’s homage to Kung Fu helps brothers in China…HA HA! Hines Ward’s parentage doesn’t disprove the fact that it can be difficult in other Asian countries for black men, or Americans in general. It’s not uncommon for servicemen all over the world to have children with or even marry local women wherever they may be stationed (the same is true in Germany for black men). In Asia, it’s usually poor women that do this, and it’s a step up for them to father a child with an American serviceman. It’s a different situation for just a random black guy rolling in and scoring.

As for black guys pulling top-notch white women, it’s definitely a money/status thing. When a black man moves into a higher socio-economic status, he has ACCESS to more attractive white women, and fewer women of non-white races (black women executives often complain about not having black male peers). On college campuses, the black athletes get approached by white girl/groupies. If they weren’t BMOCs, they wouldn’t get that attention. Black girls dislike the groupie thing (at least in college – they come out in droves for pro athletes…HA HA!), but if they decided to fawn over the athletes the way some of the white girls do, they’d bump them aside.

I also think most people that are open to dating/fucking interracially wouldn’t bring home to mom someone of a different race when it’s time to marry. That’s largely due to familial and/or peer disapproval. In my own experience, both within my own social circle and outside it, the black men I know are open to dating any women that’s attractive to them. One of my best friends was one of those types that felt black men should stick to black women, and lectured my cousin about his interracial dating in college. But in the years after college, after traveling the world while working in the music business, he changed his tune. Being exposed to different people around the country and world, and spending time talking about this and that with people in a social setting, he dates and fucks indiscriminantly. As long as he clicks with a woman and finds her attractive, it’s ON. All but one of my good friends feels this way. There will always be people of certain races that won’t have anything to do with me just on sight, but that’s their problem.

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Rakishness–

Also, I think many black dudes think they can’t pull in the south/red states but it’s not so. A lot of chics from texas and indiana love black guys! While in the northeast and the midatlantic you have alot of covert racists.

To call white girls racist who want to date within their own race and not date black guys is complete crap. If that’s racist then everyone is utterly and entirely entitled to be racist to that degree, without the SLIGHTIST bit of apology. Absolutely entirely entitled. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.

It’s also a transparent ploy by black males working to abuse the anti-racism efforts which whites make (but not others and certainly not blacks very often at all).

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Personally I don’t really notice race as much unless they are black.

All I see is hot ugly fat fat fat hot ugly

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As a black guy working on his game, I’ve thought through these these issues inside-out. Roosh brings up an angle that didn’t really occur to me and explains a lot. The minority of non-black girls who like black guys will pursue them much more aggressively even if 95% of their race has no interest. So this is why black guys are always going on about how Australian, Swedish, French, Russian, Japanese, etc women “just looove black guys” while white guys think they’re delusional. It all makes perfect sense now.

Roosh concludes that this makes things even out in the end. I’m not totally sure about that though because you have to factor in that most the women aggressively pursuing black guys are usually of lower quality looks-wise in my observation(of course there’s exceptions like the Kardashians but that’s rare IRL). It’s going to take way more value, game or just plain luck for a black guy to get a white, Hispanic or Asian girl that’s a solid “8” than it will be for a white guy. Me and my black friends that are there working our game in the field, we have just had to accept the fact that we will have a much higher flake rate and go-nowhere numbers from non-black girls just due to the race factor. It’s frustrating as hell, but it is what it is I guess. I see some try to compensate by shotgun gaming outside the club “hollerin'” at every girl that walks out. I never see anything come of that. All that does in the end is just reinforce the negative stereotypes.

Best thing for black guys gaming women of other races is be aware of the stereotypes and work against them. Demonstrating high value is much more important for us than a white guy. With a white guy who’s gaming girls outside his race, he’s already getting a lot of value just because he’s white and girls will be much more forgiving of any mistakes in his game. We don’t have that luxury so we have no choice but to be on point and be a BETTER man than a white guy in every way.

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There’s a lot of truth to that. Even amongst white men that don’t see themselves as racist, most of them would never marry a white woman that’s been with a black guy. It’s like in their mind they think she’s been defiled. I remember reading this celebrity blog back when Heidi Klum and Seal got married, and the comments were filled with racist rants from white men calling her a slut and a whore. And Seal isn’t exactly some gangsta/thug black dude! I don’t know what’s the deal with white men and why it shatters them to the core that some white women may want to date or marry a black guy.

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Girls who are aggressive PERIOD tend to be whores. The fact that it’s black guys they’re going after has nothing to do with it. And btw, I’ve known non-black women who like black guys who certainly don’t qualify as whores. Often the ones that EXCLUSIVE date black men are. I think what often happens is that if a white girl is seen with a black guy, it’s assumed that she must ONLY like black guys. I’ve seen the same shit in reverse. Black women get mad at a black guy that’s with a white girl and assumes that must be all he’s into and he must hate black women and what not. Maybe he dates all kinds of women including black. Of the white girls I’ve dated, they weren’t exclusive into black guys, they had dated white dudes before and will continue to after me, they just look at the person and don’t care. Sadly, some will consider her a whore just because she dated me and no other reason.

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My observations are in line with yours.

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@31 Anon1

Relax dude, he wasn’t saying all white women who date only white men are racist. If you had proper reading comprehension you’d clearly see he was saying that NE people can be racist despite their view that it’s just the red states that racist and not THEM.

And sure, while I don’t think it’s racist per se to only date your own race, you’d have to be a fool if you think none of them are racist. If your reason for not dating a member of a certain race is because you think they are inferior or below you, then yes that is racist. If it’s just an aesthetic preference or you don’t find them attractive, then that’s not racist, just personal taste.

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It most definitely is NOT racist to have preferences in who you date. However, it most definitely IS racist if a man refuses to date a woman because of the race of men she’s dated before him. The definition of a racist is someone who believes another person is inferior due to the color of their skin. If a man believes a woman is somehow tainted because of men she was with before him, I’d say that’s racist.

And it’s most definitely true that there are plenty of closet (and uncloseted) racists in the Northeast United States. Because big cities in this area of the country tend to be more racially diverse doesn’t change that. It doesn’t mean that everyone LIKES the diversity. People still are largely segregated into ethnic villages within cities, and there are many that want it that way.

In an earlier post someone stated that blacks are “liberal.” If you mean blacks have problems with bigoted “conservatives” then I guess that’s true. It’s a silly label that doesn’t really encompass what people of color may believe in. In fact, many blacks are conservative about the very same things the prototypical conservative is (many black communities are founded in the church as well as the white religious right). But when it comes to matters of race, even white “liberals” still distance themselves from blacks, and don’t see them as peers. If you’d have a substantive conversation with a black person about certain issues, instead of making assumptions, you might be surprised where they stand on things.

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Round here you can look at a girl and tell what kind of guy she hits… but then again i live in a dirty city

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@34 @35 Thank you. Don’t sleep on racism in the north.

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Fashion is a much bigger deal with the girls when you’re a black guy, than when you’re white.

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“Muthafucker, resistance is futile”- The Borg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj0IyM5BfDA

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Article should be retitled “Do Black guys have a Game Advantage with White/Asian chicks”. That’s really the subject.

I would give a slight quality AND quantity advantage to White dude over “equivalent” Black dude amongst White/Asian chicks. Maaany East Asian chicks really do love White guys over everyone else(White guy has clear advantage there) AND White chicks on average are way more willing to go with a White guy, all things being equal.

So being Black is definitely a disadvantage ON AVERAGE (you can find plenty of counter examples easily) when dealing with non-Black women I’d say. At the end of the day, it’s nowhere near what Asian men have to deal with though.

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although asian men still seem to always get the hottest asian girls; notice how you generally never see attractive asian chicks with white dudes.

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actually, a good looking, westernized asian dude would do better with women outside of his race than just about any black man. they can get any asian girl they want, and can get attractive whites and latinas too if they tried. remember that asian girls are naturally inclined to prefer a good looking asian dude over anyone else; however, not all of them are good enough for an asian like that, which is why the asian chicks you see with white dudes tend to be ugly or average at best.

for one, statistically, asian dudes actually do better marriage wise with white women than black men do; divorce rate is much lower, and the women they get are also of higher quality (hotter, skinnier, more educated, etc).

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“It’s also a transparent ploy by black males working to abuse the anti-racism efforts which whites make (but not others and certainly not blacks very often at all).”

“Abuse” anti-racism efforts which whites make? So black dudes “shame” white women into fucking them? This is laughable. This is as bad as saying any white woman that would fuck a black guy is a whore, just because she “lowered” herself into fucking black guys. First, I have no idea what “anti-racism” efforts whites make, and if such efforts ARE being made, they don’t warrant special recognition. We’re all EXPECTED to not be bigoted assholes that discriminate against people that don’t look like us. Most men wouldn’t be bothered with any woman that didn’t want to fuck them for ANY reason, and any real man wouldn’t try to shame a chick into giving him a pity fuck. You move on to someone that WANTS to give you some.

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Timothy–

So black dudes “shame” white women into fucking them?

Yes that’s a frequent black male ploy with lefty college etc. white girls. That alone isn’t gonna do the trick. He’s gotta have attractiveness. But it does sometimes work with leftist girls, as an important factor.

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I’m a non-black woman who dates Black guys. Why? I like they way they look. Period. I screen for ghetto behaviour and only date the non-ghetto types. However, if he is mostly non-ghetto with just a touch of ghetto – he’ll pass.

I love long dreadlocks also if they are nicely kept up and regularly twisted.

Black men are also more sensual and romantic than other demographics of men I’ve dated, and I’ve pretty much dated the rainbow. Not on purpose, just because the men I’ve been attracted to physically and mentally happen to have been from various countries – India, Sri Lanka, Japan, Ethiopia, Greece, Malta, and more. That’s largely because I travel a lot.

I will probably end up marrying someone in a foreign country and moving there permanantly or semi-permanantly.

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Timothy–

We’re all EXPECTED to not be bigoted assholes that discriminate against people that don’t look like us.

No only whites are in the US and Europe.

Blacks tend to have far more racial animous against whites than whites against blacks. Phrases freely thrown around such as cracker, white bread, peckerwood, honky and so on illustrate this, as does any look into black discourse about whites.

In fact all or almost all other groups are more racist than whites are these days are. East Asians certainly are. Even among the Japanese, a small but available slice compared to the tiny black presence in Japan (outside the far south of the main islands Okinawa (where blacks are a large part of why that island whats the US military to leave)) blacks are thought of as sometimes good for sex but generally dumb and crude and kinda bestial. Yes, far more racist there too. Same pretty much in the Middle East. And South America. And so on.

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Black women are 3x as likely to have the herpes virus than white women, and the agent of transmission between them is black men. So if a white girls screws lots of black men …

Black women have most or all venerial diseases in more than than a 3x ratio compared to white women. And agent of transmission between them is black men. So a white woman who ….

When a white woman has a child by a black man, that child becomes not mixed but black under the now enforced almost entirely by blacks only, “one drop” rule. which means that child must embrace black culture. Enforced by the white woman’s black in laws the great majority of the time, but anyway when it comes to school, and the mixed child’s black peers.

So should white women with any options want to give their children up to black culture, with all it’s enormous success here and around the world, including Africa?

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Oh and almost half of all black women have the herpes virus according to the federal Center for Disease Control – 48%. Google it up. Fact.

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Timothy–

If a man believes a woman is somehow tainted because of men she was with before him, I’d say that’s racist.

I’m most definitely not, as an alpha white guy, gonna have anything more to do with a white girl who has a black fetish than pump and dump her, and even then I’ll be hesitant. (Petrie dish issues.) Certainly I won’t let myself become involved w/her.

She should stick w/her fetish,and not expect me to overlook it.

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Timothy–

It most definitely is NOT racist to have preferences in who you date. However, it most definitely IS racist if a man refuses to date a woman because of the race of men she’s dated before him.

So it’s not racist if a girl has a black racial preference for who she dates for thrills and taboo violation and feel like a bad sexy girl and so on, but it is racist if a white guy doesn’t want to invest any heart much less money commitment in such a girl when she wants a longer term commitment? Have i got that right?

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Some interesting posts and views. As a black man I tend to have a soft chameleon approach, being aggressive does not get you anywhere in life.
I will say thank god I live in Canada which is more liberal than the USA. As for stereotypes I stay far away from them because I know people will always generalize black men to be the same.

The biggest issue I have hooking up with non-black women is alot of them assume I am into the big booty black women as seen on TV. That is not my style at all, so I have to convince them that I like slender white women etc. For the record I do not like big women and am grossed out by cellulte.

Yes our pool of women to choose from maybe smaller, but there are alot of women in general who are complaining that they cannot meet men. Every time I go to Starbucks I see a blind date meeting, so the only game I witness is Internet “game”. Men in general are afraid of women and approaching in public is rarely done in Toronto.

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With each successive post, Anon1 outs himself as a flat-out bigot. No further discussion is necessary. It’s ridiculous to think that half of all black women have a venereal disease. Pure common sense would tell you that isn’t true. What a clown.