Do Not Eat If You’re Not Hungry

He wants to be a bodybuilder. He wants massive muscles. His alarm clock goes off at 4am. He shuffles into the kitchen and eats a cold piece of cooked chicken breast. His body did not send a signal that it was hungry, but he ignored that. Soon he will have his muscles, and the act of eating will be disliked.

I’m not horny. My penis does not crave sex. Should I approach women? I have money in the bank. I need no more money. Should I do additional work? To execute a behavior without the accompanying need or desire is creating an alternate persona within you who lives separate to the body, oblivious to its biology.

It’s an amazing thing to watch women eat only when they’re hungry, to refuse food because their stomach is not asking for food. In America, we have a culture of eating and consuming when there is no underlying need. Confusion takes hold and creates a perverse new need, one for anti-depressant drugs.

I eat more food when I go to the gym because I’m hungrier, but I eat no more than that. I approach a girl because I’m honry, and only then. If I’m not horny, I do something else. I write when I want to share an idea or story. If my mind is empty, if I have nothing to share, I will not write. Action without desire brings no joy, no contentment, and no value, because you’re ignoring your individual nature and what it demands. It’s a way of living that is impossible to sustain.

Don’t let someone else convince you that you’re hungry when you are not. It’s very possible that you are sated right now, lacking in hunger. This was the case for me. I tried to eat without hunger, but it didn’t bring me satisfaction. I learned not to become concerned with eating, but to stoke the fire of hunger instead. When there is hunger, food is easy to get; it comes to you like a magnet. It’s not a question of forcing yourself to do, but one of creating enough hunger where your body helps you do.

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43 Comments

  1. TRr September 20, 2013 at 9:34 am

    For anyone who is ultra skinny with a fast metabolism and trying to gain muscle this is terrible advice.

    A skinny guy has a natural tendency to eat little. He must fight himself and force feed his weight up.

    For the average guy trying just to maintain his weight this is good advice

    1. Dirk Diggler August 4, 2016 at 4:30 am

      I have the opposite problem. Bulky and well muscled, but easily turns to flab if I’m not careful and disciplined.

  2. bartman September 20, 2013 at 9:35 am

    nice post roosh. could you write once about how to get in the mood of approaching? even if you do not feel the desire because your brain is telling you to save your energy and protect your retarded ego. on the other hand time is running away…

  3. Ray Peat September 20, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Great article, Roosh. Ray Peat explored the similarites of hunger concerning eating and sex in the 70ies. He is as far away from pharma science as you are from feminist science. This is from “Mind and Tissue — Russian research perspectives on the human brain”.

    “The eating or food reflex is mainly homeostatic,
    though of course it has a growth component. The desire for
    a specific kind of nutrient which results from a lack of it is especially interesting, and reveals something about the
    nature of hunger in general. An image of the desired type of
    food, or a preference for that kind over other kinds if
    several are available (which requires an image too, though it
    may be weaker than the image that directs an active search)
    implies a discrepancy between the perceived present state of
    self, and a mental image of the whole self. The whole self is
    the one without the specific craving. This discrepancy is
    like that experienced when a question is being asked: In the
    mental world (the self, but with reference to external space,
    rather than the body) something is perceived as incomplete,
    and the question seeks completion.

    […]

    The “sexual reflex” similarly can be either
    conservative or developmental. […] This requires the perception of a discrepancy between the presently perceived body, and the known body (as it should be). The process of resolving the discrepancy between these images is generally similar to that in the orienting reflex, but the behavior is appropriately different. If it is the body and the experiential uniqueness of the particular sex partner that we desire, it is obviously desired because it isn’t possessed, and this implies a discrepancy betweenthe self-image of body-and-experience, and the image of the desired one.

    […]

    In both the orienting reflex and the sexual reflex, a
    discrepancy of images would lead to very intense arousal,
    but while the orienting reflex quickly leads to learning (approximation of themental image to the novel object) and
    to extinction, the body in the sexual response is
    exaggerating itself, intensifying the image-discrepancy and
    the excitement. We obviously don’t forget who we are just
    because we are feeling what it islike to be the other person,
    which is simply to say that we feel a tension between our
    bodies, between novel and known.

    When the body, with its conservative tendencies, is
    involved, closeness of the relevant thing-threat, food, or
    mate—makesthe need clearer.

    […]

    The sudden interpretive “twists” that occur just
    before and during orgasm illustratethe close involvement of
    mental images with autonomic “image” and function. This
    involvement existsin all behavior.

  4. Vincent Vinturi September 20, 2013 at 9:59 am

    I don’t know, Roosh. Sometimes you need to think ahead.

    Let’s say you aren’t feeling particularly horny. There’s no immediate need to go out and get new numbers.

    But you force yourself to do it anyway because you know you’ll be horny 2 days later. And then you’ll be able to tap into this new pool of leads and maybe get your needs met with a sexy, new girl.

    Or let’s say you aren’t feeling hungry at dinner because you’re eating a dozen eggs for breakfast every day to make the most of your intense lifting sessions.

    You *could* say to hell with the eggs (or the dinner) and let homeostasis take over. But then your body won’t adapt to the increased food intake and you probably won’t gain much more lean muscle mass beyond what you have now (nor get the nice libido spike that comes with it).

  5. Anonymous September 20, 2013 at 10:18 am

    i clearly remember you mentioning in your posts about you forcing yourself to approach girls even when you were not horny at all. im confused

  6. Sharpie September 20, 2013 at 11:16 am

    This is why ppl who live in other regions who only consume 2 meals the most per day are healthier than Americans. Pigging out when there’s no reason is just crazy! I mean, if you’re gonna burn it oFf: cool! But more times than not, the average guy/gal doesn’t do shit afterwards but sleep or keyboard jockey.

  7. x September 20, 2013 at 11:19 am

    roosh is getting old as well. there is simply not energy to always go for what you want and should. thats why people actually get into relationships and settle. the high times dont get more and more when you get older.

  8. Quintus Curtius September 20, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Very wise.
    Robotic or false cravings are signs of an unbalanced psyche.

  9. Sam Diego September 20, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Looks like Roosh is getting older, and is experiencing an early drop-off in testosterone… hence the lethargy and depressing blog posts.

    Maybe some cunts working at the bar on his regular circuit know about his website and books and attitudes are dropping a birth control pill in his scotch? That’ll do it.

  10. Sam Spade September 20, 2013 at 11:56 am

    I am Lothar of the Hill People! Much have I have seen, and much have I done, for I am Lothar of the Hill People!

  11. Poon Goon September 20, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Where in Europe should I do a bang mission players???

    My requirements-
    White bitches
    Big tits
    Bars and clubs with no smoking (hate smelling that shit. If you gonna smoke smoke that endo not that wack ass white trash cigarettes).
    Reasonable cost of living (would like to go hard for 2 months don’t want to spend over 3k/month between living and going out maybe $3500/month max)

  12. soup September 20, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    There is a skill to game. If you don’t practice it, it will atrophy.

    You might not be horny today, but one day, you will be. You are letting down your future self if you don’t keep your game up even when you aren’t that horny.

  13. Anonymous September 20, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    @ Roosh

    I hear what you’re trying to say.

    On the specific eating advice, though, your body’s hunger pattern is largely dictated by what you’ve done before.

    So when you start off by only eating small or medium sized meals 2x or 3x a day, that’s what your body expects.

    If you boost your food intake for a week, you’ll reset your body’s metabolism and hunger expectations. Then you *will* be hungry more often and for bigger meals.

    At that point, your hunger and consumption will be natural “desire” to eat.

  14. Anonymous September 20, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    @11 Poon Goon

    If you read Roosh’s books and RooshVForum postings, it seems like the countries for white girls with big tits and low cost of living include:

    Poland
    Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia
    Romania

    Can’t vouch for the non-smoking part… Not many forum postings discuss that.

  15. prepman September 20, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Great point.

    As approach the big 5-0, I’m less and less wanting to approach because, frankly, American girls don’t make me horny. I know them too well now having enough game to have an well above average notch count with all types and ages of women. In fact, despite being a 8, 9, or 10, I’m actually rather put off by most “beautiful” women here because I know the shit-world of problems and grief, not to mention massive disrespect, that comes from them. American women are the anti-boner in my book.

    I suppose if I were into the trouble of banging 20-24 year old’s (it’s a hella lot of work for a guy my age), then I’d let my boner lead me to feast.

    However, it’s definitely no boner at first site. It might be appreciation of raw cuteness, hotness, etc., but not bonerrific — at least not until there’s some kind of serious interaction and physical contact, (aka kino for ya PUA’s junkies).

    When you’ve lived a lot of life and a lot of fun, you really do settle down. You’re not hungry for the things you used to be hungry for. It’s natural. It’s normal. It’s why mature men conquer the world. They become hungry for other things.

  16. YouSoWould September 20, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    9 Sam Diego
    September 20th, 2013 @ 11:38 am
    “Looks like Roosh is getting older, and is experiencing an early drop-off in testosterone… hence the lethargy and depressing blog posts.”

    Or you’ve just done everything so many times, it has become less rewarding through repetition. Pleasure and satisfaction gains from anything in life are not linear over time, they always level off.

    12 soup
    September 20th, 2013 @ 2:37 pm
    “There is a skill to game. If you don’t practice it, it will atrophy.”

    Only if you seem to think “you” and “your game” are separate entities. For my game to atrophy, I would have to stop just being the person I have developed into. It is literally impossible. You need to stop viewing game as some sort external toolset separate to your core personality.

  17. Tampa September 20, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    my best weight lost tip is to not drink any calories. Water, ice tea or diet soda. It really helps.

  18. Carlos September 20, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    I get your point Roosh, but sometimes you got to do what you got to do to reach your goals, I love training, but sometimes I’m lazy, and I’m not in the mood of training, but if it was may initial plan to train I will train, sometimes I would feel great afterwards other times I would just do something and thats it. You have to create habits and follow them in order to get results. It doesn’t come easy for me because I’m not very disciplined because I was used to getting things without effort, but there is a time in live that in order to get to the next level you have to be disciplined.

  19. Poon Goon September 20, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Thanks for he reply.

    I never thought about Serbia.

    Also-

    What’s a good city for day game in US or abroad??

    I’m thinking NorCal.

    I love nor cal girls not passive aggressive like the Seattle crowd.

    G manifesto is a west coast player boss.

    Do you honk NorCal chicks are pretty cool?

    I am really considering Chico State. Some nice looking hitches hat are nice up that way. And I don’t care what anyone says LA is not that ass hole compared to a place like Miami FL. Miami is thug inc. oh can get smoked down in the swamp
    For real. I’ve heard gun fire many nights up in that bitch.

    I wish G manifesto would chime in on where to day game and where to find white irks with big tits that’s cheap.

    My top bang recon spots now are-
    Chico State
    Poznan Poland
    Oslo Norway

    I just love big tit white girls.

  20. JJ September 20, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    One of then wisest posts I have seen from you for a while.

  21. Eliezer Ben-Yehuda September 21, 2013 at 6:38 am

    >>> For anyone who is ultra skinny with a fast metabolism and trying to gain muscle this is terrible advice.

    ah yes…. the epidemic of ultra-skinny guys re-emerges in North America.

    TRr: please pump some more money into the fat-acceptance industry. Whatever it takes to get guys motivated into escaping the black hole of ultra-skinniness!!

  22. Kate September 21, 2013 at 7:47 am

    “You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough.”

    William Blake

  23. Anonymous September 21, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    well Roosh isn’t exactly well muscled

  24. Troy Nguyen September 21, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    poon goon i’d go poznan from that list. oslo is freezing. also if you like white chicks with big tits X low cost of living you may consider southeast asia. yes, i’m serious. you’ll be staying in hostels/ hotels with lots of white scandies and europeans here and being white will give you some ‘insta-bonding’ in the hostile terrains.
    ps are you african american

  25. Troy Nguyen September 21, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    thanks for the snack-size blog entry Roosh.
    helps keep my pua-calorie intake down.

  26. Bring forth the mountain that is Higher than I September 21, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Ok, thar is enough. Roosh’s blog are not just worthless anymore, but he’s crossed the line over to making detrimental ones.

    This “advice” he gives is the worst ever. Explanation. If you follow his advice then :
    1.you should not get a check up unless you re already feeling sick.
    2.you should not have any form of pension plan until you feel you re losing your ability to make money
    3.you should NOT game women every day ( remember his persistance on making one approach per day ? well now, he refutes this by saying essentialy that you should game women only when you have an erection … )
    … the man is clearly in great anxiety. I will save you the trouble of finding the answer. This is the answer. He is getting old, he wants a good woman by his side, he can’t find one, he feels terrible. It’s easy to tell if you have training in psychology as I do. His last post about the Iranian older guy (Isn’t Roosh of Iranian decent ? ) who gets the sweet and beautiful girl, while the goiod looking guys get their lives squashed is indicative …

    However, I do not care about Roosh’s troubles. I have my own. The only reason I am commenting on him is because I want to draw attention to the real issue I believe most people here face ( me included ). That is : “We have tried to live our lives out of the system. And that did not bring happiness. We have lost something. HOW can we get it back?” …

    answers anyone ?

  27. Mr. Truth September 21, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Obviously poor advice if you are bodybuilding but Roosh clearly intends a metaphor. I think he is talking to the losers who are always chasing women in a desperate attempt for validation and status. Chase if you need to bust a nut; otherwise get a real life.

  28. The Professor September 21, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    I find the occasional depths of the posts here to be enjoyable. One of the things I enjoy most is Roosh’s honesty and openness. Expressing dark moods in the field of self-improvement is very rare.

    The darkness of some of the posts illustrate that depression leads one to reality, and reality leads one to depression. This is natural- indeed, inevitable – for those few who can both see and withstand the gaze of the Abyss.

    There are two options to generate what we will call happiness. One is to have a pleasant delusion and live according to it.

    The second is to become enlightened.

    On enlightenment. The main thing to realize is that everything we do is for a feeling. Chasing girls, making money, fucking, eating, socializing, entertainment, all of it – for a feeling.

    When enlightened you have the rich experience of the moment, and are content. So there is no need to do anything in particular.

    All becomes illumined within conscious experience so the outer world becomes merely a prod, a stimulus, for your own further illumination.

    The human needs for living in or out of the system, for togetherness, for anything, are all to trigger a feeling, an inner state.

    That feeling is best had by enlightenment – it is the illumination of consciousness and therefore experience. Transcendence means you transcend the particulars and have moved to at inner state where the particulars no longer matter.

    I like Roosh’s post today because that’s where I am at today. I interpret his post to be about movement towards the moment in its absoluteness.

    Everything but the triggering of that inner light is increasingly seeming pointless.

    Your body and mind will respond to your needs, bringing you closer to what you want as the need arises. This is responding free of excessive concept. It is responding naturally, like an intelligent animal who realizes culture is illusion.

    Culture is a way of creating conformity and automated obedience through stories that are said to be truth.

    The removal of concept and enculturation is enlightenment. The stories we tell about why we do what we do are just stories. In fact it is the behaviors and resulting outcomes which really matter.

    1. Raul Felix September 24, 2013 at 2:58 am

      That’s deep shit there bro. *no sarcasm*

  29. Mike September 21, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    WTF why are so many idiots missing the point of this post?

    He’s not advising to give up good habits like working out or approaching cuz you don’t ‘feel like it’.

    He’s saying to act with purpose instead of impulse.

  30. Mike September 21, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Always act on your impulses with purpose. Don’t just act because you feel obligated to.

  31. Poon goon September 21, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Troy Nguyen-
    Am I African Anerican??? Lol no. Im Braziian American- thats why im like wtf when i hear brazil mania on here. But I hang out around a bunch of black guys. They have more sense than the knuckle
    Dragging redneck cro magnons where I live in the Southern US. Haha.

    If you game the South-
    Charleston SC is the bomb!!! Hotties everywhere. And super friendly. Roosh should do a trip there. There are some bad ass brunettes with Indian blood.
    Miami is good but bitch shields are high. Go to the Hard Rock Casino on Saturday night if you don’t see at least 20 women who could be in playboy then you are probably gay.
    Atlanta- some really fine redheads there. That’s my fetish for sure! But they are boric compared to California or Europeans.

    Nguyen-
    Where specifically in SE Asia is a good place??

    Where’s a place with big tit red heads??? That wod be my dream right there- a land of Stacked gingers who want a big muscular Brazilian to prison sex their
    Ass.

    Vietnamese girls are really gorgeous. I think I would have a great trip to Asia on Asian girls alone Ander me specify I love redheads the most then brunette a with blue and green eyes with major cans like tons of Pliah girls are the 6 ft blonde Viking chicks don’t turn me on But i love blondemspinners and i hate women over 5,7 prefer a woman 5,3-5,6 packing some major curves.

  32. Roll it September 22, 2013 at 12:46 am

    Roosh I was takin a shit and had an epiphany.

    You need to game a rich cougar sugar momma who is a freak who wouldst you bring college kittens home to at with. Genius right??!

    1. Casey Ryback September 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm

      english, motherfucker! do you speak it?!!?

  33. Rutting Elephant September 22, 2013 at 5:41 am

    I have a shitload of money I did not earn. Yet not “working” for a boss (instead of collecting rare texts in SE Asian languages, chasing SEA girls, reading widely, etc.) carries a major stigma among Westerners. Maybe it’s some Calvinist residue.

  34. anon1 September 22, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Terrible advice for beginners or the repressed.

    Actions just as easily give rise to motivations as motivations give rise to actions.

    About the only thing this analogy does apply too is food directly in a literal sense,and intermediate-late game.

  35. John Doe September 22, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    “I have money in the bank. I need no more money. Should I do additional work? ”

    This is the attitude of a fucking loser, man. What’s going to happen when you wake up at age 40 broke with no money? You can ALWAYS have more money.

    And it would make much more sense to focus on making money instead of chasing bitches, because money is the most important thing. Without money you aren’t going to be banging bitches whether it’s picking them up (costs money buying them drinks and food, etc) or buying escorts (pay her money to fuck her).

    1. Tsk tsk October 1, 2013 at 5:12 am

      Not sure if you realise this, but it’s very possible to pick up women without spending a cent.. I’d say your attitude is the losing one

  36. datqun September 22, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Don’t drink proteen shakes.

  37. Roosh_V September 23, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Testing new comment system

    1. s September 23, 2013 at 8:16 am

      it works!

  38. LD November 5, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    Am I the only one here who understands this text should not be read literally, about food, but more generally as about desire/need?