Do Women Improve The Lives Of Men?

A lot of men are beginning to wonder if women can make a man’s life better. Are women essential or are they the extra component, the dessert that adds to an already balanced male life? It’s becoming more evident to an increasing number of men that modern women seem can only amplify a man’s existing happiness instead of providing it outright.

It’s quite simple for my mother to discern my mood and whether I’m upset or content. When I’m upset, she asks me what is wrong. If she can solve the problem, she will take a step to do so. If she can’t solve it, which is usually the case, she tells me “don’t worry about it” and then runs a distraction program to take my mind off the problem. She tells me stories from her childhood or my own and then relays fresh gossip from extended family members. For the time I’m in her company, she makes me forget the problem I have. The effect is temporary but welcome.

For women I date, there is no use telling them a problem of mine. They will not give me token sympathy or distract me with stories to get my mind off it. Instead, she will interpret the existence of my problem as me being a weak man. A recent example happened a couple days before April 15, the due date for income taxes in America. I was on a date with girl I had been seeing. Nonchalantly I brought up the fact that the tax date was coming, and that it’s a “stressful time every year.” She gave no response about it, not even a “that sucks,” and then pointed out that there was a drunk man urinating outside next to a tree. She was not a person I could talk to about a common event that was happening in my life.

That’s okay, because I don’t need a woman to help distract me from my problems or relieve the tension that comes from life. I learned to do these things on my own. But it would be nice if she made the attempt to step out of her mind for a minute to understand the man she has at least a strong physical connection with—enough to be penetrated by—has to live life too.

I also don’t need a woman man to take care of me, but it would be pleasant if a woman takes charge on her own to cook me an occasional hearty meal, tidy up my apartment, make me a drink when my glass is nearly empty, and wash the dishes in the sink. Girls will do it only if I command them to do it, and then won’t do it again unless I again command it, a sign that they rather not do it at all, and that other men they date don’t require it of them. They don’t anticipate my needs and take initiative like I know they are taught to do in their office jobs. I’m even starting to see a recent pattern where girls are leaving my apartment in a more worse state than they found it by not putting their glasses in the sink or even hanging up a towel they used to shower their bodies of my seed. In terms of cleaning, I’m more of a woman than they are.

My work is not particularly hard, but there are creative difficulties I face in my goal to provide good writing and ideas to my audience. It sure would be nice to get some encouragement on a book or article I’m working on, but a girl does not care about giving me any encouragement. They look at me as if I’m a robot that is capable of providing consistent money and entertainment output, and never fail to take for granted the comfortable apartment she occasionally spends the night in and those nice evenings out that require hard currency from my labor. In her mind, that money must come about magically from thin air.

What a girl does help me out with is my animalistic need for sex. She will come over, open her legs, demand I pull her hair and fuck her hard, and then allow me to get an orgasm or two. I welcome these orgasms, and won’t complain about them, but for most of the girls I date, most of whom were raised with Facebook and have better smartphones than me, there is no other way she improves my life beyond that. She does not provide me with entertainment, caretaking, emotional support, meaningful companionship above that of male friends, or useful advice that matches even 10% of the level that I provide for her, and so the main benefit I receive is the sexual release that occurs in the present moment. This means that if a woman is on her period, she’s a liability to me as a human being since the costs of spending even one hour with her now outweigh the benefits, and there is no reason to see her instead of simply waiting the four days until her period is over.

Casual dating is a modern invention that is completely foreign to my own parents. They simply can’t comprehend the insane levels of promiscuity that women are seeking without the need for genuine connection. My mother has no clue how women can’t even perform a scrap of male caretaking like she so effortlessly can on myself and my dad (while they were married). There is nothing in the culture today that is teaching women how to take care of their man, how to stand by their man, how to make him feel like the man, and so men have no choice but to view them as a temporary set of flesh and bones attached to an extremely pleasurable vagina that they can’t be authentic towards and who may not give him more benefits than owning a loyal dog.

Women have so taken for granted our attention, affections, and efforts that we have been forced to become the emotionless robot they want to see us as just to get sex from them, just to make the overall interaction a slight net gain in our favor that makes it at least worth pursuing in the first place.

It’s so easy for a woman to make me happy that I’m almost embarrassed to tell you what it is. On every other date she can bring me a little trinket or piece of chocolate. She can wear tasteful feminine outfits that make me feel proud to display her on my arm. She can leave her phone on silent and give me her undivided attention, asking me about my day and any challenges I’ve had to overcome. She can ask me for help that uses my physical strength or intelligence. She can come to my apartment and try out an experimental drink or food recipe she found on the internet. She can give verbal declarations of affections that show I’m important in her life. She can leave both me and my living space in a better condition than before, so that I’m eager to see her again.

In exchange for what a woman does to me, I will make her life better, I will make her proud to have me beside her, I will see that she enjoys the resources I have, and I will treat her just as well as she treats me. I have had interactions with thousands of girls by this point, but sadly I have found less than twenty who begin to approach this level of worth. I can’t even signal to a girl that I could be a great man for her, because then she will get turned off. I have to pretend I’m aloof and cold and uncaring just to get laid and satisfy my most basic physical needs.

What’s beginning to happen, I’m afraid, is that women are leaving men worse off than before. The sexual delights a woman gives a man will soon not surpass all the costs he has to endure to get it. If that happens on a large scale, a significant percentage of men will give up on women entirely, and rightly state from their experiences that women can’t make a man’s life better, all because the modern woman doesn’t want to make his life better, when generations past she was trained to do so.

Modern women don’t even bother to try anymore, yet as men we’re expected to be their dashing prince who gives them everything from both sides of the scale: excitement and comfort, drama and stability, passion and deep intimacy, freedom and dominance. Modernity has served men a raw deal when it comes to relationships while giving women the expectation and entitlement that they can have it all without even putting in any work. This problem must be fixed within our lifetimes, or else humans will be reduced to using each other as nothing more than sex toys.

I’m ready to make the sacrifice so that a woman can improve my life, but most have shown they are not capable of doing it. Sadly, we live in a time where women don’t know how to provide real value to men or simply don’t want to. If we can agree that a modern woman doesn’t improve a man’s life then we’re not far off from concluding that they make a man’s life worse, and that a man who chooses not to pursue women may in ten years be better off than the man who does, a dark outcome that takes away man’s pleasure and need in laying with women. I will do all I can to make sure this is a road we don’t have to take.

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Heard this at the gym tonight, what shit, entitled lyrics:

Dear future husband,

Here’s a few things

You’ll need to know if you wanna be

My one and only all my life

(Ohhhhh)

Take me on a date

I deserve it, babe

And don’t forget the flowers every anniversary

‘Cause if you’ll treat me right

I’ll be the perfect wife

Buying groceries

Buy-buying what you need

You got that 9 to 5

But, baby, so do I

So don’t be thinking I’ll be home and baking apple pies

I never learned to cook

But I can write a hook

Sing along with me

Sing-sing along with me (hey)

You gotta know how to treat me like a lady

Even when I’m acting crazy

Tell me everything’s alright

Dear future husband,

Here’s a few things you’ll need to know if you wanna be

My one and only all my life

Dear future husband,

If you wanna get that special lovin’

Tell me I’m beautiful each and every night

After every fight

Just apologize

And maybe then I’ll let you try and rock my body right

Even if I was wrong

[Laugh] You know I’m never wrong

Why disagree?

Why, why disagree?

You gotta know how to treat me like a lady

Even when I’m acting crazy

Tell me everything’s alright

Dear future husband,

Here’s a few things

You’ll need to know if you wanna be

My one and only all my life (hey, baby)

Dear future husband,

Make time for me

Don’t leave me lonely

And know we’ll never see your family more than mine

I’ll be sleeping on the left side of the bed (hey)

Open doors for me and you might get some kisses

Don’t have a dirty mind

Just be a classy guy

Buy me a ring

Buy-buy me a ring, (babe)

You gotta know how to treat me like a lady

Even when I’m acting crazy

Tell me everything’s alright

Dear future husband,

Here’s a few things

You’ll need to know if you wanna be

My one and only all my life

Dear future husband,

If you wanna get that special loving

Tell me I’m beautiful each and every night

(That’s right!)

Oh-woah

Future husband, better love me right

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Wow, just wow

Anon.
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He is 2 hours by plane from some of the greatest women in the world, in Russia and Ukraine, and yet he still CHOOSES to live in a place where the women suck.

Problem is he’s a lazy fucker who’s simply not ready to put in the work for a girl that could actually improve his life. He goes after easy Western whores, and then complains that they suck. He can’t eat at the high-end restaurant because he’s not willing to put in the work to pay what it costs… so he eats shit every day at McDonalds and then just whines on the Internet about the sogginess of the burgers.

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i’m a huge fan of russian/ukrainian women, but i don’t think they are what roosh is looking for when he says he’s “ready to make the sacrifice so that a woman can improve my life.”

eastern slavic women are definitely sexy, feminine, and traditional, but they will eat you alive if you show weakness. i learned this the hard way by marrying a little blond ukrainian beauty before discovering the red pill/neomasculinity. had it confirmed again many times by watching american guys with russian wives and listening to russian female acquaintances’ contempt for any sign of weakness in a man. a russian woman’s love is passionate but cold, verging into cruelty if you don’t constantly maintain frame.

for the warm, comforting love that most north american men crave, i’d say go latina. especially go for latina girls who go to church.

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I disagree with you slightly here. I am from the Central Asian region (born and partially raised: only childhood part) where most people on the opposite side of the border of my birth country are a bunch of bafoonic, entitled, feminist, nausea-inducing cunts who annoy the living fuck out of their already butt-ugly ass women.

(I just wanted to hit on these sand monkeys smile makes me feel happy)

Anyhow, in my country the familiar Persian culture is everywhere. And I would say that men in North America just have to understand what it really means to be a strong, stable man rather than seek the affectionate words of women. Sure it is a luxury, but one that shouldn’t bog you down on your quest to becoming the best man you can be.

In my birth country, the definition of a man nearly resembles a savage…an educated, highly articulate, high function brute who can be gentle with women but in the same breath be as tough as nails…

Though this has cost my birth country much headache due to fucked up westernized “women” who think that human rights = being a feminist…

I think I have given way too many hints on what the name of my birth country is…you can probably guess it in your head by now…

Final point: Russian women are a completely different taste to what most men are accustomed to. Their men have to be strong and supple in order to provide for them, the handsome meal and beautiful children (they might) crave.

On the other hand…Latinas are more like Punjabi women I would say…perfect 10 in looks but a butt-ugly -10 in voice and behavior.

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68 million views on Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShlW5plD_40

Kitten Holiday
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I have posted about this song several times before. It’s an example of the problem, worst of the worst. Confused women who, if they live like this will eventually be miserable and divorced. But not all women are like that, thank God.

Conrad Stonebanks
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“not all women are like that”

Men are having a hell of a time finding those unicorns.

Kitten Holiday
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It’s not any easier on this side of the fence.

Conrad Stonebanks
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You mean on the wrong side of 30.

MKDAWUSS
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I don’t think she’d be interested in any of us, TBH.

And I can kinda see why.

Conrad Stonebanks
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“Where have all the good men gone?”, said many a woman after her party years draw to a close, typically around age 30.

MKDAWUSS
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They’re either all taken, or the ones still left are afraid of a sexual harassment or rape charge.

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They got sick of this spoiled etitled brat mentallity and said see yah. Have a nice life with all those cats.

Roger Berens
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They also gave up on western women and started pursuing Asian, Eastern European, and Latin American women, who are not spoiled, entitled, man-hating, over grown children.

Kitten Holiday
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LOL

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lol

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I’m going to argue that she has a point.

The men around here don’t lead women on; if it’s casual sex they say as much, they don’t lead women into thinking it’s a relationship and then ghost on them. That’s a “Nice Guy” tactic.

On a broader scale it’s an issue of the prisoner’s dilemma. The whole system is set up to encourage defection by both parties, so that even those who are seeking to cooperate have to overcome extreme levels of paranoia to get to tat point.

A man is a fool is he dates a woman who isn’t putting out (without strong evidence of virginity), but each time a woman puts out she adds to her notch count; only a simpy nice guy will put up with her withholding sex (and for that matter, withholding sex isn’t something most women want to do), so in her pursuit of masculinity she’ll risk getting played, or even worse – wind up with a sexy guy who has no ambition in life, something she finds out in her late twenties after several years of dating or marriage (I’ve seen it happen).

Furthermore, the world is always promising more and more freedom – and freedom is better than being locked down to a loser husband or a shrew wife.

It’s an ugly system of incentives, on both sides of the fence, created by feminists and their mangina supporters (they never could have got anywhere without the help of males). I don’t have a solution to any of this, I’m afraid.

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The only solution, (I’m finding for me personally although I can’t say I’ve had 100% success) Is to carefully screen men for the traits that I desire. When you know what you want in a partner and what you have to offer, it becomes easier to recognize when it’s not there. And if you have strong self-esteem and are healthy in body and mind and happy, then you move on without apology or drama or anger or sadness. You simply have the self-respect (and respect for others) to pursue your own path and free others to pursue theirs.

I would assume it’s the same for men. The trap is when women either men or women get caught in dissatisfying or unhealthy relationships because part of their needs are met but not all (his need for sex, her need for companionship, both fear of being alone?)

Finding a partner who is a match who you have attraction for and whose lifestyle is a match for you is more difficult as you get older because of all the responsibilities we all juggle.

There is a danger of getting into a poverty mentality which I see breeding anger and resentment in both men and women. That poverty mentality may be what is responsible for the ugly system of incentives you mention Davis.

For me, I have incredible men and women in my life. Amazing men who I respect and admire. When you are in the bargain seats it’s hard to see the stage, but working on myself to be a woman I admire and having friends and acquaintances who I love and respect means I don’t have a poverty mentality but and being selective based on my personal needs and wants.

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You “screen men for the traits you desire”. You want to wax poetic cliches here as if you, a woman who is well into her 30’s, has her pick and choose. You’re on par with a legion of women your age who are too picky and entitled, which is precisely why you’re all ending up alone. You think you’re entitled to the very best men the world has to offer when you’re old and worn out and have *nothing to offer*. A bunch of old shrews run about bragging about not knowing how to cook as though it makes you a rebel and a non-conformist, when what it really makes you is useless and unattractive.

Sorry honey but looks, youth and fertility are the only playing cards a woman has in navigating these shark-infested waters known as the sexual market. You should have snagged a decent man 15 years ago. Wake up, lady. You’re in no position to be making any demands.

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Kitten, he just nicely illustrated the kind of man you should screen out. The one who only wants college age girls no matter how old he gets. Look if that’s your thing go for it have fun but don’t except a woman to emotionally invest and commit to you if she knows she will be tossed aside for a younger woman once she hits a certain age. That would be incredibly naive thinking.

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Hi Genie, You are right, no smart woman (or man) wants to invest frivolously. I am not the demographic these guys are looking for lol. I’m 40 and have already had children. No desire to have more. The things that concern me in dating are very different from what concerns these young men and older men who are just looking for young men. In fact, a problem I used to have was men who would see me with my children and see that I am a good mother and want to move the relationship along very fast and have kids. Now, I have to be very up front that I am not having more kids. Sure, I have missed out on the company of some great men but they deserve the opportunity to look for what they want in a woman and in life just as much as I deserve that opportunity. When people know what they want and what they have to offer and where they are willing to bend it makes it much easier but still not “easy.”

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I hear u but facts r facts vagina only has value from 18-29 after that its scrap metal . U at 40 would b lucky to get laid if u stood on side of road holding a sign saying (FREE PUSSY) Im 100% sure id jerk off rest of my life if my only options were 40+ yr old sardine twats just how men r wired atleast men who will b honest with themselves and others

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You must get laid pretty often with that kind of discourse.

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LOL. I just can’t stop laughing. You are 100% right.

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I know at least five women who got married after the age of 40. One of them was 82 and she met her future husband at a retirement home! Two of them are ugly as hell. So much for looks, youth and fertility!

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Yeah, and I’m sure the man-titted schlubs these old hags married are quite the catch, aren’t they? It’s easy to settle for whatever comes along when that’s the only option you have. Then again, maybe it isn’t very easy to settle after all, that’s why most of them wind up devout cat ladies.

Try as you might, your exceptions don’t prove the rule. Sorry.

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You are a guy. Definitely. And a dumb one, too. That’s why you are single.

Mrs. Married Two Cents
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You are definitely a hairy, tree-swinging beast of some sort. Or maybe you’re just a feminist who needs to shave?

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Like my picture? Jealous? Yes, I am gorgeous!

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I guess the problem for men is that we can “screen” all we want, but there will only be around 2-3 “good” girls out of 1000..and these girls will be married when 20 and have 4 kids at 25. What is left is used up party princesses..they have it figured all out though, by all becoming like that they leave us with no choice.

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Then be the kind of man who attracts the 2-3 good ones. And they likely aren’t the ones pushing out 4 babies in 5 years. Don’t worry about the women making mistakes partying it up. And don’t worry about the men racking up numbers of bangs. Focus on being the kind of man who would attract the 2-3 high quality women. You only need to find one good one. Sounds a lot more promising than you make it out to be.

Be careful of getting stuck with this mindset. http://www.mind-sets.com/html/mind_power_programs/overcoming_a_poverty_mindset.htm

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You do know that finding these unicorns is only half the battle, right? They must want you too. And your chances of getting good girls who are available are lower than getting that deal on black Friday. They’re “out of stock” before you get to them.

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I guess this saves you from something you fear the most – marriage. Live as a bachelor, and die young while your friends enjoy their married years. Nobody will cry near your deathbed, because you will be all alone.

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If they have 4 kids by 25 they were not a great catch

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Look in the right places and you’ll find many, many good girls. America constitutes 4% of world’s populattion

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Solution is actually very simple:

“Don’t like it, go somewhere else”.

That is, literally, the solution. There’s no other. You can’t change the culture, so the only solution is to physically move to a place where there is a different system of values.

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I’m damn lucky. I met and married the best man I know almost 17 years ago. I was 31, he was 32. It can happen and in the most unlikeliest of places.

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More deflection and shaming. It probably isn’t, ever ask why? It’s probably b/c of the way you act. Nice name though, it’s probably what you will be with for…ever

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It’s not impossible. I have a a long-term relationship with a 22 years old girl since 2013 (I’m from Spain, my english isn’t quite good, sorry). I’m not perfect, I’m not the purest alpha male. But I’m very proud of the woman I have found. She is kind, naive, comprehensive and very fervent… she has a long hair, green eyes, perfect body and is amazingly atractive.

We both are catholics, with traditional ideas. And this fact helps a lot. We are together because of my improvement in recent years of the pickup art, and as a man in general, partly thanks to Roosh and ROK, She is a high standing girl, I’m well aware of this. Obviously not all the work is done, I have to continue improving myself.

We have some discussions, like any other couple. But few and not usually about big issues. She gives me all i need from a woman. We have the same idea of how a relationship has to be, how a family has to be and how life, in general, has to be. I recomend this kind of girl. I have dealt with whores, feminists (almost the same) and very very frivolous girls, all exs.

Not everything is rainbows and flowers, I have a lot of problems in my life that have to ve solved, but I’m happy and with a really great girl.

Never give up, dudes. We are men. We built the Civilization.

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Your last sentence is prefect, you are still men are you not? Will this generation of men be defeated by a trend in feminism, that has admittedly caught on with a lot of people. But it is a trend that most woman hate. Are the ancestors of the men who built modern western civilization, going to roll up into a ball of self pity and just give up?

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If this generation of men worked together it would be over in days. The problem is for every man who knows that the system is intolerable to men, there are three or more white knights who will defend women, even when they know they are in the wrong.

If the men who built the civilizations had to face most men fighting them tooth and nail, there would be no civilization. Which is where we seem to be headed.

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I can only hope you are wrong. But then I’m sure that you hope you are wrong

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Very good use of shaming tactics. Guaranteed to make men flock to the path back to the plantation.

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Most men and woman seem want that “plantation” to work. And it did work for ages and it is working for many today. Who will win?

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There’s no doubt that men will go to their own executions willingly. They always have, to be sure. But, now with all the statistics of failed marriages, open hypergamy, family court rape, false rape accusations (made with impunity), why bother?

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LOL. Do you actually believe yourself? So funny!

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Do you actually believe those things I mentioned don’t exist? Even funnier.

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The statistics of failed marriages: 50% and it is getting better (less), not worse. Open hypergamy is relatively low and it is getting lower. Family court rape – you mean when the father rapes his children? False rape accusations – very rare. It is much more common for the victim of rape (whether male or female) not report the crime due to the shame and social stigma. Rapes are grossly underreported. There are plenty of happy, fulfilling marriages.

You can check all this data. Women no longer have to put up with morons, rapists or losers. Can you blame them?

So, how does it feel to be delusional? Do you hear voices in your head that tell you to hate women? Or is it because no woman wants you and you feel rejected? But with your state of mind (a very warped mind, one might add), who can blame those women?

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It’s not about defeat or victory; it’s about survival or gaming the system. Men and women will always b here, so will civilization. But sometimes you go sideways to get what u need. Women don’t offer men an opposite experience anymore. Women have been turned into men, and so to be involved romantically with a modern woman is to be involved with a highly masculine creature. There is no more polarity or Eros. Men will have to wait until women become women again, but until that time comes, men will only have to view women as pieces of meat that we can orgasm into occasionally.

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I think you will find that there are a lot of people out there. And you are not going to see too many of us who are doing it well in a bar. We are home with our families. Sadly I can not say you are all wrong. More and more woman are exactly what you just said. And more and more men are ether self defeating or enjoying the decline. Until they grow old and are alone themselves.

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A true “man” is never alone. Within the confines of his mind is the brilliance from which the entire planet’s capacity to house the human race evolved. I wish I could say the same for many women, however I’ve conversed in depth about conceptual shit and the depth doesn’t run very deep with most.

This crash course is rooted in “human rights” now turned into “SJW” status. Man or woman, whoever the hell jumps on that boat are the cancer ruining things. One gender especially was entitled to separate yin from yang, and they did it, then guilted others on the opposite side, the weak ones, to believe their guilt trips and follow suit. You’re home with your families “safely” out of the dating market for one of 3 reasons: 1) You picked a sound person through good screening and judegement, whose stayed sound and you prospered, (Bravo) 2) You chose to live a lie and it’s a situation of convenience but neither of you are happy and lie to each other with your actions frequently (and secretly), 3) You picked a sound person, but after X amount of months/years, that person changed, like turning a light switch off, even though they seemed just as sound as the person in #1 for the whole prelude up to their change, they changed or you simply got hoodwinked by their perfected acting skills. << #3 used to be severely punished, now society invites it. What you have now is a perpetuating nightmare of distrust, and, for very quantifiable and qualitative reasons.

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I agree that most women I know don’t have a rich interior life. But most men that I know don’t either. I really think it’s a matter of intelligence. I think even some smart women project stupidity and ignorance because it is a sign of the naivety of youth which men do prefer from a purely sexual standpoint. Speaking from experience and looking at history, all of the greatest men had women they loved and respected by their side. My grandmother was a brilliant woman and so was my grandfather. Of course men chase the younger women and thats how their story ended. My grandmother never pursued another man again after she was broken hearted by her husband. He chased woman after woman into his 70s. Finally he settled down and the woman he settled down with a younger woman and she took care of him and was very nurturing but he didn’t have the stimulation of intelligent company that had been a witness to his life and understood and loved him on the deep level that only someone of a certain intelligence could. He died a few days after he found out my grandmother died. They hadn’t been married for 30 years.

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a smart woman is like a horse with two heads. Certainly an interesting curiosity, but what’s the point?

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If you want to feel like a man I have a pickle jar that needs opening.

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can I rape you, after?

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Why oh why does the MRA movement have a reputation of being full of impotent Beta males with mommy problems…The world is a confusing place.

Clark Gilles
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so can I rape you?

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So, according to you, most women hate feminism. Feminism is a movement for equal rights. Since you hate it that much, I suggest you give away all your rights to the man of your choice. I would start with the right to free speech – stop speaking, woman.
Then I would relinquish the right to feel secure, then the right to a fair trial. You know, Saudi Arabia is perfect for people like you. Women are not allowed to drive, walk out of their homes without a man or make any decisions on their own.
Although I strongly suspect you are NOT a woman. Because no woman in her right mind would say something as stupid as this.

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feminism stopped being about equal rights way back in its first wave. Second and third wave feminists are a bitter unhappy lot. They push for greater and greater isolation from men. They openly hate all things masculine and are not fond of most things feminine. They say we are strong, independent, fragile flowers, so in need of protection from everything, including our owe choices. So take your dictionary definition and take it to your closest woman’s studies major tell her. They seem to have forgotten that they are only a movement for equal rights.

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1. No, it didn’t. 2. You seem to have a very poor understanding of feminists. 3. No, they haven’t.
Stop spreading lies and get educated. If you want to.

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No I know it well. Take the blinder off. When everyone sees feminist as bitter. That is what they are

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I am a feminist. I KNOW. You don’t.

TurnThePaige
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Yes you are, your nasty personality is a give away

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LOL. You don’t know my personality and you cannot guess it from the posts over the Internet. So who sounds nasty (and silly) now?

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Oh yes I can, I just did and it looks like it hit a nerve

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Not sure if you are aware, but there is a HUGE difference between things you CAN actually do and things you THINK you can do. You did not hit anything, trust me. Also, while we are at it, you cannot judge another person’s character based on his Internet posts. However, you are too immature to know this.

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Sure you keep saying that

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Sure you keep saying this

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Funny guy

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Funny girl

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Benedictio Dei Omnipotentis, Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti, descendat super vos et maneat semper.

Caminad en las tradiciones perfectas y antiguas de la Iglesia, sin eligir cuales seguiréis y cuales non seguiréis (aún si el papa mismo las abandona, porque el Magisterium de la Iglesia nos enseña que no tiene la autoridad de abandonarlas), orad muy bien el rosario, leed los santos padres y doctores de la Iglesia, y el Señor vos ayudará en todo. Oro que paseís muchos años bueníssimos en la gracia de Diós.

Perdóname, si le falta algo mi Español.

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Se entiende perfectamente, muy bien. Francisco es otro caso que merece una profunda discusión, hay que esperar y tener fe en que hará la voluntad de Dios.

Es agradable encontrar un oasis de cristianismo entre tanta destrucción espiritual. Te incluyo en mis oraciones.

Gracias, espero lo mismo para ti.

Un abrazo.

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How interesting. If you asked that poor, innocent, naive girl with green eyes, what would she say? I doubt her picture would be so positive.

If you want to have a lasting relationship, ask a man or a woman who has been married for 50 years, don’t ask Roosh. He is single and he has no idea how to maintain a long-term relationship.

It seems that you are not very smart and extremely narcissistic. You don’t really care if the girl is happy with you. All you care about if she gives you all you need from a woman. Well, hopefully, your naive girl will learn her lesson very soon and find a better guy. Somebody who actually cares about what she needs.

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Hi, “None”. I’ve read your reply very carefully, and a little bit surprised, I admit. You have to know:

1. I’m not asking anything Roosh. I know who Roosh is and what can I learn from him. My references in long-term relationships are my parents and (30 years married) grandpas (55 years married)

2. My first goal and the most important thing for me in my courtship is to make her happy, that’s my business. By the way, if you ask her, she will told you I’m not doing so bad. You would not be the first who ask her… The title of the essay is “DO WOMEN IMPROVE THE LIVES OF MEN?”, not “DO MEN IMPROVE THE LIVES OF WOMEN?”, that’s the key of your misunderstanding.

3. I’m not very smart and a litle bit narcissistic in my way, like almost everyone, but I love my girl and give what she needs, because she deserves it.

Regards.

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Buenos dias, Carlos,

1. Good for you. Very admirable.
2a. I don’t think anybody can make others happy, period. Happiness is within, either you are happy or you are not. Although it is nice that you are trying to make your girl happy, very commendable.
2b. How do you know what she would say? You can’t say for her, you ain’t her.
2c. I understand the title of the post. But I also understand what Roosh implies. The title is very dumb on its own. Do women improve the lives of men? What women? What men? Do women who live in SubSaharan Africa improve the lives of men who live in Antarctica? Do they have to? The answer is NO. Although… maybe?
3. You wrote, “I’m not very smart”. That statement deserves a standing ovation. I kind of think you are smart since you know your own limitations. BTW, not everyone is a little bit narcissistic.

Good luck to you and your girl! However, if you keep reading Roosh’s $hit, you might be influenced by his sick perverted mind. So … find another person to follow for the sake of you and your girl. Cheers!

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Not even Ace Ventura, Pet Detective can be that kind of Unicorn Hunter …

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I think I’ll do something special for my unicorn this evening.

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That is lovely.

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thats because a unicorn, by definition does not exist.

At best earlier we had women who were repressed sufficiently by society that they remained satisfied in earlier traditionalist roles.

now society is no longer reinforcing this roles, the hypergamy train is running wild yo’

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Of course, unicorns exist. They’re much more common than NAWALTs.

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That song is a piece of propaganda that is also a recipe for a woman to wind up alone, in a dingy 1 BR flat, managing a cat colony.

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That was my first thought. The poor girl better be buying herself a cat

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i like to think that, but with what i see a lot of american guys settling for, i don’t know.

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“not all women are like that,”

Are ya sure?

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Wrong. All women are like that. The ones that convince you they are not are simply better liars.

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Its like the anthem for lazy people lol

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Looked her up, she’s only 21. I thought she was pushing 35.

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The rumor is that she is actually very traditional. I hope so, I hate seeing people grow unhappy

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lol this fat cunt needs to shut up who’s gonna marry her?

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She looks like a freaking clown.

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Yuck what an ugly chic. But catchy tune

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What a fun song! Let me share my favorite one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU27lSsp4jM

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once a fatty….always a fatty

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I can’t stand this song. Everything about it is all wrong and shows just how confused women are about what it means to be a woman, a wife, a lover, a friend and what they really need in a man. Sad

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I agree. I think the antagonism towards women that I sometimes see here is just a reaction to the miss educated girls that are so commonly found running around looking for something they do not understand. The girls are just confused

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The girls are just confused? Really? What about men? They are not confused?LOL. Just LOL.

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Really, are you speaking for woman now?

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It’s too bad. It’s a very catchy tune, but you can’t seriously listen to the lyrics with becoming disgusted. Much like all her other songs.

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She wants a man to treat her like a spoiled brat.

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There’s only one way to treat a spoilt brat – the cane!

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Tell your parents that!They have the right to know!

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They know – they were very liberal with it on me and my bro smile

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“And don’t forget the flowers every anniversary”

There was an article in the local paper just last week written by a wife whose husband forgot to do just that- so she goes to ashleymadison or whatever to get herself a man on the side.
While this isnt shocking, I do not think “articles” like this should be included in the daily paper. Justs give women more rationale to cheat over minor slights…

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Even worse, it was MOTHER’S DAY!

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guess you read the article.
The worst thing about it: it was the most read article on that site that day.

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Wow. Jesus Christ! Whos was that psychchopathic, spoiled ,entitled narcissistic bitch?

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I’ve heard this sorry excuse for a song. I almost threw up when I heard the first few sentences of the lyrics.

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It’s kinda redpill when you think about it.

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written by meghan ‘the narwhal’ traynor

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∎∎∎∎∎∎❉❊❶❷❸It’s very Easy with google and rooshv < my buddy's step-mother makes $74 hourly on the computer . She has been without a job for 7 months but last month her paycheck was $14216 just working on the computer for a few hours.

official website ===—->-> SEE MORE DETAIL

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Fun song, eh? Roosh is a loser and he needs therapy. Is it a forum for male losers? Do people come here to whine because no girl wants them?

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Well it isn’t a forum for hairy ape feminists like yourself. Go over to Jizzabel and ook ook eek eek and throw poop over there, would you?

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Oh no, it is too much fun here! I knew that some men are complete morons, I just did not know they all hung out in one place. I wonder where smart and mature men hang out?

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I had to stop reading after “Just apologize”

Too much cancer.

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The video will make you lose even more hope for humanity. The woman is a fat butter face and all her suitors are model tier men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShlW5plD_40

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A colleague at work (recently divorced) said: “I’d like a man with his own house, preferably owned outright”
This dumbing down of the females extends to here in Europe too. We’re fucked.

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sounds like the gayest song ever. Did your ears bleed?

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I am sure many guys have better experiences with women.

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I was waiting for it: how long it would take for someone to bring up the classic NAWALT argument.

Anon
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Conrad’s law – As an online discussion relating to one or more females grows longer, the probability of NAWALT argument being used approaches 1.

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Hell, I’ve met two, two singular exceptions in my fifty some years. And it’s because they are such singular exceptions that yes, yes, “all women are like that.”

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There ARE NAWALTs. There are also purple unicorns with platinum horns….they’re much more common.

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Hell, I’ve met two, two singular exceptions in my fifty some years. And it’s because they are such singular exceptions that yes, yes, “ALL women are like that.”

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✬✬✬▆✈▆▆✈▆▆✈▆▆Take advice with rooshv < I didn't believe …that…my brother woz like truly making money part time at their computer. . there aunt had bean doing this 4 only seventeen months and resantly paid the dept on there apartment and bourt themselves a Lotus Elise .

see this her ►►►►► ===—->-> SEE MORE DETAIL

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Roosh, I sympathize with you and have learnt lot of things from your writing. But to my eyes you are moving from a (just) anti-feminism to an apparent misogyny.
By the way I have two questions about this article:
– Don’t you think that, since what you primarly seek from a girl is sex, a girl will adapt to this situation getting to the point where she will, probably sometime unconsciounsly, behave like beside sex there’s nothing you demand? You could say straight-forward to her that it’s not the case, but your actions will speak more loud than your words.
– Since, as far as I know, you have lived in EE during the last years, aren’t women from those cultures more prone to please their men (not only sexually) as they grew up in a more patriarchal enviroment? I’m asking this because what you writes seems more related to the american society.

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I think it’s a sign that these Eastern European women are being Americanized very fast. Hence the style of his writing.

Conrad Stonebanks
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The dating market in the west (and increasingly in eastern europe) is like a rigged slot machine: you keep throwing in money, and while playing gets you that temporary dopamine high, the payout doesn’t come.

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I love how any criticism of women’s behavior, no matter how gentle, becomes “apparent misogyny.” White knights are so stupid.

In this piece, Roosh alludes to his plan to short-circuit MGTOW. Whatever his motivation, selfish or altruistic, diminishing male indifference to and avoidance of women is the very opposite of misogyny.

Personally, I don’t think he needs to bother. Thirst is forever.

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I’ve read a lot of articles by Roosh belonging to his first period of blogging (2009-2012) and they transmit a joy for the chase and for the women in general. Now, this feeling, IMO, is no more present in his writing, and I notice an increasing bitterness towards women in general.

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I have noticed the same thing. But, can you really blame him? I would also say that I’ve noticed he is more indifferent to women now, rather than bitter. There is a difference.

I’m around the same age as him an likely have similar experience with women. The more experience you have with women, the less remarkable they seem.

This article is right on the money for me. I can really relate to it.

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You can either understand women or you can love them. Never both.

When you are reaching your 40’s you really start to internalize the fact that there is nothing different under the sun. It doesn’t make you bitter, but it DOES make you tired of looking for that beautiful flower in a thousand miles of wasteland. Idealism is for children.

It’s amazing how much ‘mature wisdom’ resembles just being tired of all that shit.

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There are plenty of women everywhere in the world who spend all their time tending to the poor, the sick, and to abandoned children. In fact, most work of this nature all around the world is done by women. That’s also the nature of women, to be compassionate and to take care of the needy and the broken. There are tons of women who pour out their entire lives for others, to the point of giving up all luxuries and putting their own well being in danger. But you never see it in action, because you spend all your time with shallow twats who spend all their time attending to their own pleasures just like you do.

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Yes, there are a lot of women who willfully prop up the failures, the losers, who destroy achievement through false sympathy designed to elicit popularity over how ‘compassionate’ they are.

There are tons of women who pour out their lives for others, neglecting any concept of introspection or improvement, submerging themselves in the drama of others to avoid looking at their own, multitude of personal flaws.

I see it quite frequently, because even though I know and apply game, I am not a pick-up artist.. I never had to learn it, I use game to manipulate people. My best ‘game’ is, I suppose, what you would call “Community Game” because I haven’t set foot in a bar otr club for decades.

I find those ‘perfect women’ who destroy their lives and the lives of their families, devote themselves body and soul to strangers while ignoring the plight of their own people and families, who risk themselves with never a care for how their own risk affects those who care for them, to be even more reprehensible cunts than the self-absorbed, tattoo-coated slut that gets passed around sports teams, drug dealers, and musicians like a dog-eared copy of ‘the catcher in the Rye’.
At least obvious slut is honest.

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What was the last thing you did for the sake of somebody else?

Brigadon
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Recently? Helping my elderly neighbor bring in her groceries this morning. Why?

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Way to help prop up some drain on society with your false compassion.

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What does compassion have to do with it?
The elderly are valuable sources of knowledge. One assists them for entirely selfish reasons or out of gratitude for past achievements, not something so transitory as compassion.
It is also painful to try and work your way around them on the stairs. why do so when less than a minute of labor can clear the obstacle that could inconvenience you for half an hour?

“Compassion” is always false. There are only socially constructive, and socially destructive acts.

When you try to use your brain, does it actually heat up?

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You can relate because both you and Roosh failed to find a woman to marry. You both are losers. If you were a happily married man with kids and all, you would not be contributing to this discussion.

Roosh cannot solve your problem, he cannot even solve his own problem. His problem is NOT that he cannot find a great girl (there are plenty of those girls around), it is that he is looking for something that exists only in his head. It’s like looking for a mermaid in the ocean. You can swim your whole entire life, but you will only find fish there, because mermaids don’t exist.

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I also liked the earlier articles much more. This is not the kind of content I am looking for. This article contains negativity towards women and doesn’t add any value. I mean: there a lot of woemn with great personalities who have interesting things to say and really do care about how you day was…

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A serious question. Have you personally married one of these women? Or, are you theorizing?

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not married, but dO I have to be to make such a statement?

Brigadon
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I suggest tucking it instead of getting it lopped off. After all, castrating yourself is forever, and some day you may grow up and realize the operation was a mistake.

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Hey, you sound like a sweet guy! I hope your girlfriend is treating you right!

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Maybe it’s not Roosh changing, it just might be the women are changing for the worse, like he succinctly stated.

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LOL. Just LOL. Reminds me of a joke:
– Doctor, it hurts when I press here… and here… and here.. and here…
– You’ve got a broken finger!

It’s not that women are changing. It is that Roosh is sick in the head and needs treatment.

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He says out of thousands of women, less than 20 even have basic qualities I would expect from any decent human being.. So 20 / 1,000 = 0.1% at the most, much less depending on how many women the actual number is.

How could one be anything but pessimistic when faced with odds like that?

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He says out of thousands of women, less than 20 even have basic qualities…. Is he THE GOD? The authority? Does he have a Ph.D. in psychology? Sociology? Anthropology? Or a Master’s degree? Well, does he?

WHO IS ROOSH? A playboy, a sexual predator, a male whore with a warped mind. No decent woman would want to marry him, only a crazy one. Marrying him would be like marrying a chauvinistic male prostitute.

And you still believe him?

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Why would having a PHD make you anymore qualified in these matters ? Roosh has his own experiences, and a lot of it. They don’t teach you about this in any school I’ve ever heard of. If it is his experience that there is only one good (for a man) girl out of 1000, who can disagree with that ?
He has more experience with women than any of us..you included.

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If Roosh thinks there is only one good girl out of 1000, who can disagree with that? A sane person. What if some woman (I haven’t met such a dumb woman though) says that there is only one good man out of 1000, will you believe her? You would probably call her crazy.
Again, there is a joke about a broken finger. Everywhere you touch hurts, when a finger is broken. The girls are fine, it is Roosh who needs help. And people like him.

This site is full of morons and losers. I would rename it “whining losers”.

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That’s because he had too many. Variety does not equal sexual satisfaction. If he just stuck around with one girl and got married, he would be a happily married man. Or not. With his personality disorder, the divorce is imminent.

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“If he just stuck around with one girl and got married, he would be a happily married man. ”

And you can guarantee that how ? Every man who was ever married was married happily or what ? What about the men getting raped in divorce court ? Are they happy ?

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Okay, you are right. Roosh would never be happy with a live woman.
Not every man who was ever married was married happily, and you know it. But many are.
Men getting raped in divorce court? If this is a show, I must watch it!

You sound like a sore loser. No girlfriend in sight, right?

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I’m not really sure what you are trying to achieve with that tone.

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Absolutely nothing. I am trying to achieve nothing.

Kitten Holiday
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You are right in that many women have a deep desire to please their man. They follow his lead. So if he expects little, she gives little. If he demands more, she will live up to it or prove she is not capable and he moves on to the next. It’s harder to find quality than quantity, but worth it.

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Sweetie Pie, my problems with women started when I started having interest in quality relationships – i.e. relationships beyond pure sex. My experience is that women don’t understand that, like trying to teach a dog algebra.
I now philander and treat my wife like shit and she not only adores me for that, she even anticipates my whimsiest of wishes.

Thing is, my experience corresponds to what uncounted men have observed – you can even read in the bible how rare a decent woman is.

Now, would you mind posting a recent full-body naked pic of yourself, or ain’t you that pleasant to look at?

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haw haw haw TITS OR GTFO we like your style mon smile

Anonymous age 72
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The Bible may say the good woman is rare. But, Paul himself said he never met a righteous woman.

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Solomon.

Anon.
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All of Eastern Europe outside of the Soviet Union can officially now be called “West”. There is no difference.

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True that! And the former Soviet Union countries are RAPIDLY becoming “west” as well. You should see changes in Ukraine during the last 5 years.

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I can agree that Ukraine is liberalizing, but it still remains a adequate playing ground. However, Russia IS better and I would avoid Ukraine if one has the chance of going to Russia.

I give Soviet countries 10-15 years before they are utterly destroyed, just like the Baltics were. Ukraine and Moldova will come first and the transition will be relatively rapid when it happens. Russia and Belarus will take a lot longer due to geographical and political isolation, but Western culture will inevitably take over sooner or later, you see all the tattooed sluts in places like St. Petersburg. These places are still adequate, but they likely have a short shelf-life

We are in a kind-of “golden age” where there are still some outposts of femininity left in the world. These will soon disappear. Take advantage of them while you can, any man who is not currently in Russia is a fool.

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All Russian women want from men is either money or a green card. Any man who is currently in Russia dating a Russian woman is a fool.

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What are the alternatives? Dating a hairy nutbag shebeast like you? No wonder these men are going to Russia.

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This is SO FUNNY. Just really, really funny… How would you know anything about Russian women?

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All my past girlfriends made my life worse. I am getting too old for the mind games and bullshit.

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Seconded. I thought I’d learn an overreaching lesson from each one, but the fact of the matter was it was the same core bullshit selfishness dressed up in different packages. Different backgrounds, met via different avenues, different races. The same girl the ME from 5-10 years ago would go full term with to see where things led, I now dump after 2-3 months (or less) if I see enough similarities to my previous experiences. -Or- They’re just casual fuck buddies because I know they’re fucked up beyond repair.

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“Seconded. I thought I’d learn an overreaching lesson from each one, but the fact of the matter was it was the same core bullshit selfishness dressed up in different packages. Different backgrounds, met via different avenues, different races. ”

THIS ^.

.FUUUUUUUUUARK MAN, SO MUCH THIS. Would up vote 20x if I could srs.

So true. It’s always the same bullshit, just in a different package, same selfishness and unwillingness to take responsibility for their own actions. Dat dere..

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Way to stay on point after all the recent bullshit going on.

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My grandmother would blame this (along with the decline of society in general) on women having to enter the workforce in order to keep the family bills paid.

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Large numbers of women did not enter the job market to pay the bills. They entered the job market because they wanted more money. Once they did the price of things followed behind the increase in family income.

A man told me that years ago, he worked and his wife stayed home. They bought a 3 bedroom ranch in the Midwest for $18,000.

That summer the Supreme Court ruled that mortgage companies had to make loans up to 50% above the mans income if his wife worked.

The next two houses identical except one was mirror reverse, sold for $27,000 each.

After all the prices adjusted, then, yes, women had to work to keep the bills paid.

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A sizable chunk of inflation and taxes increased directly associated with women’s voting rights, thus resulting in a doubling in the size of government with entitlement programs. As sad as it sounds, giving women a “say” in the direction of the country via political sway also forced them into the workforce, whether they wanted it or not. My conclusion is that MOST women don’t want the responsibilities men had for decades, but see the hypergamous freedom of their counterparts and are torn between the old way, and new feminized way.

If a woman wants to have kids, it’s seriously fucked up in my mind they even consider doing it without the biological father raising them in the same household. Thus sociopathy and psychopathy is taught, and handed down to their kids who were raised in split households as being an “acceptable” way to conduct life and procreation. So the perpetual problem continues and we’re thus a few generations into the mess, and look what a mess it is now!

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Or she would say “Giving women the vote was a mistake’ and be right.

Or you could go back farther, much farther, and realize that teaching women to talk was the problem.

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My POV: women leave men FAR WORSE off.

That has been my experience, namely, that every woman I’ve been with, including those merely platonic flings but excluding ONS, has left me far worse off than before meeting her.

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You should stop giving them your real name, or hunting where you live.

Getting your dick sucked and then forgetting she exists leaves you calmer, more socially adept, and less uptight.

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My wife went to university for theatre, and spent another 5 years travelling, working with those people, the definitive narcissistic, childish, “strong independent” women types.

When we met, I invited her to stay with me and told her if she was any trouble at all, I’d kick her ass to the curb. The first date, I explained I had a “no clothes in bed” rule that she still never breaks, 6 years in. Within 2 months, I told her I had a 10lb rule and that if she went over it, I’d dump her, even if we were married. When talking about marriage, I told her that of we got there and she ever tried to take advantage of the legal system to rape me, I’d murder her.

Along the way, I’ve always done the best to live up to my word, giving me credibility.

She is hilarious, feminine, doesn’t mind cleaning, positively loves cooking for me and when we have kids she is going to be a stay at home mom.

Maybe the culture has changed more than I thought. But my experience has been to be a hard and honourable man that says what he thinks, does what he says, and my woman conformed to a traditional gender role mostly on her own.

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My search for a role model is over.

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Setting boundaries is a lost art.

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Well – threats of murder is how some of the Italian mafia got their investments back in 2008 – heh.

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Within 2 months, I told her I had a 10lb rule and that if she went over it, I’d dump her, even if we were married.

Saved!

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Guess that means she will never have your children then, if she can’t gain 10 lbs. Yeah, that’s brilliant.

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For me, it wasn’t 10 lb.s And, I didn’t say I’d dump her. I said if she gained 25 pounds, I would hurt my back when I threw her out the window. She mentioned that not long ago, so she clearly remembered it for 40 years of our marriage.

At 73. she weighs 112 pounds. She was as high as 124.

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Even though you sir are a jerk of the worst sort. You did the right thing. These are my deal breakers, take it or leave it. Everyone has them not everyone is honest about it

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How is that being a jerk? Is it because you don’t like the expectations I set?

If so – that’s fine. But, you’re not my wife so I don’t care.

Am I a jerk in her mind? No, because she accepted the expectations I set.

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Exactly I would have told him that his list of deal breakers had already broken one of my deal breakers. I would not marry a jerk and I didn’t. She did marry him, they are made for each other. He did the right thing telling her. But he is obviously the sort of control freak I could never live with. Plus a woman gains a good 20 lbs when pregnant and I have children with my husband. I would never have wanted a man who did not. The weight comes off and it did

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Sorry I did not mean to talk about you as if I was not talking to you

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No problem. The 10lb rule has an exception for pregnancy – we discussed it. It’s interesting you think I’m a control freak, when I’m really not. I just set down a few basic ground rules that I won’t tolerate being broken. The rest – that’s all up to her. She wants to start a non profit – sure, whatever. She wants to go to Japan with her friend for 2 weeks – sure. I’ll go on a motorcycle trip. I’m only stiff on the basic stuff.

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The written word has limitations and I may have misinterpreted you. Again your honestly was a great thing

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Thank you.

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Babe, if one day we take the next step and get married, if things don’t work out – if you use the legal system to “rape” me ” I *will* murder you. Love you though, obviously. XD Bet that’s the line that stole the hearts of your mum and grandma back in the rosetinted day! Hope you both live happily ever after, obviously grin

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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Just because my post was lacking in romance, doesn’t mean that I don’t bring any to the relationship. wink

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The problem is in ourselves; men’s expectations of women are out of whack due to years of equalist programming.

Love hierarchy. Pick one:

Man loves Mature Woman who loves her Children and herself.
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Man loves Immature Woman who loves only herself.

After childhood, a man is a source of love, not its recipient. Woe to the childish man who expects a mother’s care and tenderness from his lover.

(And good fucking luck to the man who expects an American girl to adequately love her children. There’s a reason why abortion, birth control and playing office drone are so popular these days. Attachment disordered personalities are going to be the norm for at least the next several generations.)

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so true. This is the reason why whenever I’m done with women after we have hardcore sex, I just tell her to leave and she does… it’s bit lonely but I can get focused and get things done and when I’m horny again, I bark orders to her by telling her to come over to my place in which she does and the process continues. Sadly the modern women’s only benefit to men is sex at this point. Their benefit is that once I get to fuck them in their vagina, I don’t have to turn to porn and jack off with my hands and I don’t get to waste any lotion.

It would be nice and refreshing to see lady-like women from time to time who has feminine side (not just for sex) but also on her personality, habits and overall performance.

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Everything you stated in your first paragraph is the reason why you will not get a lady like woman from time to time who has feminine side (not just for sex) blah blah. You can’t treat women like warm holes to dump your jizz in then get the fuck out of your sight, while also speculating how nice it would be to find a nice lady like girl who I assume would be more than your cum receptacle? Jesus. Maybe try treating a woman like an actual human being and see how that goes?

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Genie, it used to be that finding a virgin woman today is like trying to find gold or diamond in a trash dump yard but now it’s more like trying to find a decent lady with decent attitude is like trying to find a ruby or onyx in pig dump mud yard.

Treating women like actual human being. Of course that’s what I have been doing. I treat them like human being; I treat them according to what they deserve. If a chick decides to flash her tits and grind her ass on my crotch at a night club because she wants to feel sexual and don’t even know my name, of course I’m going to treat her as such … treat her like slut. If a woman decides to at with grace and gentle soft side, I will treat her gently.

If a girl decides to easily give me sex, then what do you think she did to other men she met before me… try connecting the dots here. Why don’t you define to me what “treating her like a human being mean” in your eyes. I treat them like a human being and they love me for it. I bark orders at them and I tell them what to do and they tell me I’m a nice guy. You know what happens to this guy I know who actually is a nice guy, he does everything a women tells him to do, these same women says that he is a creep and abusive. You tell me now.

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I’m limited by what you chose to state in your post and you omitted the part where you treat nice ladies differently than you treat the slutty ones. That is why I assumed you had a prevailing view of women as a nothing more than an alternative to porn and your hand. If you find yourself missing meeting nice ladies, have you considered going to venues where women aren’t going to flash their tits and grind their asses on your crotch?

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^ LOL AWALT. I had a girl who was shy and all. She loved reading books at the library and was very quiet girl in public… in the bedroom, WOW she was totally different. AWALT.

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There ya go! A sexy girl who saves the sexiness for the bedroom with her guy instead of bumping and grinding on a random dude at a club. Hope you hung onto her.

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3/5 last girls I’ve fucked have literally given me cues after they got off first, to just blow it. I’m thinking to myself when that happens;”I’ll fucking blow it when I’m damn good and ready.” It’s the “I got mine” attitude. Women are turning guys into flesh dildos in their minds. The level of selfishness even mid-stride in sexual activity is fucking ridiculous anymore.

So my attitude is:”Alright bitch, I’ve got 5 more gears of intensity beyond this, that due to your shitty selfish ass attitude you’ll never experience because now you’re a turn off and a replacement for my hand.”

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If you are ready, and proclaim it in word and deed, she will hear you.

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Top that, motherfuckers!

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“Let’s see what you have to say about this in another twenty years, when you’ve been chastened and humbled by the cruelties of fortune. The world will look quite different to you then, mark my words.”

Anybody wanna guess who wrote these words? (Hint: he’s one of the downvoters.) Apparently we understand theory but not reality? Also, for clarification, that phrase was directed at game denialists.

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Top that, motherfuckers!

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Be more selective in the women you date. There are women out there who find fulfillment in caring for a man. (not mothering, but caring). A shoulder rub, a drink, space to think, emotional privacy (not posting every bouquet or every dumb thing said to facebook or their friends.) Who will also care about what he cares about, bring her own perspective. When you start to look for a partner it becomes a lot harder and more important than looking for a fling. Relationships and our health have the biggest impacts in our lives. While we take both lightly in our youth, when we start to see the toll bad choices make on others, or ourselves, we become more disciplined and selecting, looking for quality over quantity. You expect a lot from yourself. If you expect the worst in others (women) you will find it. If you believe there are women who are also strong and loving, feminine and caring, you will start to find them. It will require a new set of skills to identify this type of woman, but it will be worth it and if you share this journey on how to identify a quality woman with your readers, you could help a lot of men as well.

PS. Your mom sounds awesome.

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+1 on the PS

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Good advice, sort of. The problem is the worst of women are the best actresses and any woman that can’t act like you think men should seek long enough to ‘set the hook” isn’t much of a woman.

Most men know what sort of woman they want. The problem is, most men can’t detect lying phonies well enough to get what they want.

And, most women can pretend to be that type of woman long enough to get married.

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Well in that case then it is easier for women because I’ve found men can’t keep up the act for long. It’s a good argument for going slow. His true nature will be revealed in time (and not too much time as he can’t help but be himself).

The reason it doesn’t work out for women even though it appears we would have this advantage is because too many get caught up in the fantasy and have a pretend relationship with a man’s “potential” or out of fear of being alone. If they took the man at his word and observed his actions and listened to her gut, she would move on to better options quicker. Women are notorious (in my opinion) for overthinking their way into something their intuition is telling them flat out to leave behind.

I’ve never considered men get caught up in the fantasy of a relationship the way women do. But perhaps you are saying they are “blinded by beauty?” Which I can believe.

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I don’t know if I would say, “Blinded by beauty.” But, you sure have the idea.

Plus most men are instinctively White knights, which means they are willing to give a woman the doubt no matter how bad she is.

Over my ten years of counseling men, there were several men who would call up, their gorgeous wife, probably a 9 or 10, was hell to lived with, and they ended up divorced. I’d try to tell them maybe they should look for character than hotness.

A year or three would pass and tney were on the phone again. Another 9 or 10 they couldn’t live with.

And, a third. I’d try to tell them not to go just for looks.

“Oh, no! I gotta’ have a good looking wife.”

So there you were. Determined to fail.
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Yes, well isn’t there a quote that people don’t change until it’s too painful not to? Somehow the benefit still outweighs the risk for those men. Either they have more financial, stress, bullshit tolerance resources to go through with divorce over and over or they are tremendously insecure and don’t believe they are worth more than to be treated poorly. Either way-sad.

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I posted a response to your excellent posting, and now it is gone. I am assuming a disagreement with one of the VIP’s elsewhere has me banned. so, this is a test message.

No, still here. I will look and see if my posting went elsewhere.

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Did you find your post?

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So true many women project rather than see things for what they really are I’ve done this myself.

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No to be impolite here Roosh, but you continue to perceive women as flat, two dimensional sex objects and then act surprised when what you get is a shallow vain, two dimensional sex object, who doesn’t really care abut you. Why should she? You set the tone!

Love in the olden days was about sacrifice, service, not what you can get from another person, but what you can give. What the other person gives is nearly irrelevant because it is all about you and what you bring to the table. We didn’t ask, “will this person make me happy,” we asked, “am I worthy of this person’s love? Can I make them happy?”

“I’m ready to make the sacrifice so that a woman can improve my life..”

You sound precisely like, “Dear future husband, Here’s a few things You’ll need to know if you wanna be My one and only all my life.”

Conditional, narcissistic love. That’s a fool’s errand because there is no such thing.

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But isn’t that a bit of narcissism itself? Here’s what *I* can do! Here’s why *I’m* amazing!

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Actually, I’d call that stepping into one’s own power. Ultimately all we can really control is our own selves.

Narcs seek to control other people, because they must see their own selves reflected and validated in someone else. Narcs are actually weak and broken people because their entire sense of self must be defined by the actions and behavior of other people. So “Dear husband” is a very narcissistic song because it’s all about her and what she’s going to get. Conditional love.

When Roosh says, “I’m ready to make the sacrifice so that a woman can improve my life..” That’s a set up for heart break because you’re handing your power away. A more empowering statement would be “I’m ready to improve someone else’s life,” because than it is all about you and what you bring to the table. Women are far more likely to follow that kind of led because your worth and value is implied and known to your own self.

Contrast that with, “So, what are going to do to improve my life?” Right off the bat that reads as if there is something wrong with your life and you are needy.

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So what it should be is, “How can we make each other better?”

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Ideally, yes. Men and women are designed to compliment each other. Rather than a sense of entitlement, there is a sense of debt there. That’s how you build loyalty, intimacy.

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Men are still happy to do that.

We haven’t had 40 years of sexual revolution, you go booiiiiii, you don’t need no woman, propaganda aimed at us.

We have felt the effects of the real propaganda just as strongly though.

That feeling of being a provider still burns within us all. It is not appreciated for its own sake now though, and is instead exploited.

Only a robot can keep doing futile things forever.

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Even if we did have that propaganda aimed at us, I still think a lot of men would have been happy to love a woman.

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Other men don’t necessarily share Roosh’s mindset, yet they get the same treatment. So it’s not the cause.

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Women have feminism telling us all men hate us, pua’s wanting comittment free sex, and a culture telling us it’s shameful to even like men.

I’m not trying to assign blame here, but when you spend a lifetime using women for sex and then tossing them aside, you’ve colored her perceptions of all men to come for a long time.You could be the nicest guy in the world, but she’s often got the culture and her own experiences telling her you’re the enemy.

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Feminism told us that we could socially engineer ourselves to be attracted to anything. Feminism was wrong.

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Visit south america, women there get pumped and dumped just as much as here, yet they do everything our grandmothers did. But your second guess is right, it’s culture (and laziness).

Anyway, your comment validates what Roosh wrote. If a woman sees men as the enemy, she will never be worth committing to and will only be used as a sex toy. Sad for both.

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Western women have been dead to me for a long time. Ever since I met my fiance I’ve been spreading the relationship gospel of the Asian woman. In particular, Asian Christian women. The problem with the latter is that you must be a Christian yourself. However, they still have their fathers in their lives, they are raised to honor their husbands, and if you a Christian, there are fewer Christian men available for them to marry over there than there are over here. So far my relationship has been like a dream.

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It would be interesting to hear your girlfriend’s side. Does she feel her relationship has been like a dream? Or does she think otherwise?

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For a person who has a fixation on and an affinity for inflatable dolls, you’re not exactly the go-to person for relationship advice. Stick to what you know, you doll-deflating lonely pervert.

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LOL. Have you checked your I.Q. lately? You should. You will be unpleasantly surprised.

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You should talk. You’re a primate for fuck’s sake.

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And a very cute one, too.

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“Women: they make the highs higher, and the lows more frequent.” -Friedrich Nietzsche

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No wonder Nietzsche inspired Hitler.

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Blah blah blah something….. something…… HITLER!!!! Your whiny liberal parroted talking points are so typical. I guess coming up with an original thought isn’t in your bag of snarky tricks is it?

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Thanks for making me laugh. I bet you are a guy because no woman in her right mind can be that dumb. Although…

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The only dumb person here is you. After all, you spout HITLERRRRR in some kind of knee-jerk reaction like a toddler who can’t think for itself at the local community college.

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Roosh,

Girls have too many options. They really do not need to earn any guy or do anything. You are primarily going after young girls I’m guessing, pre-wall probably 25 or under. Flakiest, least caring, most persued, most jaded, most clueless.

The type of woman you’re describing in this article is not DTF. She’s very family oriented, talks to her mom and dad daily and can sniff player-ness a mile away. She spends all day searching the internet for now to get ‘fucked over’ by guys anymore, and how she can do things differently to get a man that will give her children.

The reason these girls are cold to you is that they know the deal. They know they’re not getting any real commitment. They know they’re just fuck toys. They know you’re a playboy. Yeah you can attract them but they know the deal. You’re an American with a temporary prime located apartment.

You’re bringing up tax problems? She don’t care dude. She probably didn’t even know how to respond to that which is why she just changed the subject.

Anyway, yeah my dude. there are no young hot girls that will act like real women unless

1) They know they have a realistic chance of getting a baby from you
2) Haven’t gotten screwed over by any guys yet

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A girl under 25 is the LEAST JADED you’re going to find.

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I’m shaking my head at all these posts telling Roosh to pursue women on the frenzied babyrabies, beta-bucks tip. Have any of these guys actually tried to date an incipient spinster… ahem, “real woman?”

Jaded is just the tip of the iceberg in this Titanic failure scenario.

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I have seen that these guys are deadly accurate in many ways on many subjects. But they have become creatures that perpetuate what it is they do not like in women. Its a bit of a trap that leads to an unhappy life in the end. But the middle is so much fun

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More like, anybody who googles him will spot enough red flags to make the president get on Air Force 1. I mean, he has a long stored history of being unable to commit and sexual infidelity. Combine that with his questionable attitude towards women and his propensity towards narcissism and you have a real winner here. Any decent woman looking for a serious relationship would probably flake immediately and go no contact.

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There has been only two women with whom I felt that there could still be hope. None of them were americans, none of them were feminists, and although they are pursuing a career and a future, they haven’t abandoned their true nature.
Colombian: the relationship was about she making ME happy, so mine was to make her happy. I had the incentives. She was pursuing a STEM career but she knew what men value, so she would cook for me, wear femenine clothes and always show her support. What did she get in return? I was even more motivated than before and more ambitious, she loved to have an ambitious man on her side who could lead her and always count on.
Polish: Smart, funny, intelligent. Listens to me and doesn’t interrupt, cooks, offers her advice yet knows I will do what I think it’s the best. Tells me how important I am in her life. When she goes out with her friends, she texts and calls to tell me she’d rather be with me reading or watching a movie with me. Comes from a nice family, her parents are still together. What do I do in return? I want her to be happy. For very few people in the world I desire this and she is now one of them.
Yes, the polish one is my current girlfriend and has been for the last year and a half. My friends and my family love her, a lot of them tell me how lucky I am I found someone like her and it is true. If I compare the best “relationship” I have had with an american and this one, it is ridiculous to even mention it.
Will I found another woman like her if we ever break up? I don’t want to know the odds, it think I will just stick to game and being ambitious.
Get back to Eastern europe, roosh. America is indeed sad.

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What is your Polish girl would be happier without you? Have you ever think of that?

Try to get an inflatable woman. She will never interrupt and will always listen to you. Plus she is always ready willing and able. And if she doesn’t, you can always deflate her.

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You seem to be a bonafide expert on these inflatable women. You are obviously some kind of creepy pervert seeing as you know how to expertly inflate and deflate them and punish them for your inadequacy issues. Ewww projection much? WTF

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Tell us, how does it feel not to have a sense of humor? I bet it hurts when everybody else is laughing…

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I don’t find your fascination/fetish for inflatable objects funny at all. I find you are a creepy disgusting pervert. You’re no doubt on a sex offenders list somewhere, you sick piece of shit. Please kill yourself.

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LOL. Just LOL. I bet your mom cries every night, thinking she could have aborted you as a fetus. Is your dad an alcoholic or a drug-addict?

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Proverbs 21:19- “It is better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife”

OTOH:

Proverbs 31: “Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.”

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“Proverbs 21:19- “It is better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife”

OTOH:

Proverbs 31: “Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.””

FUUUUUUUAAAAAAAARK MANNNNNE… Wish I could up vote twice.

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It always comes back to the Bible and other Holy Books… for a very good Reason too.

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All work and only one reward that comes with diminishing returns. Sex is great, but is it so hard to ask for good company? Then when you’ve established good company, you aren’t an aloof asshole enough for things to remain interesting.

I was done playing games when I retired from Xbox. It seems I’m destined to game for the rest of my life.

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Christian and traditional ideas of relationship and family. That’s the key, and the last shelter for men like us.

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This article resonates with me because it has the cold clear truth about these women’s nature that MGTOW offers, but with the fight to push back against the feminist agenda. I believe MGTOW would be the best movement if it wasn’t for the large percentage of guys who want to be quitters. They have the right fed-up attitude, but they have somewhat thrown the towel in. I don’t believe in giving up. If women want robots, then give them the Terminator…never give up…never stop fighting the feminist hypocrisy until the end. Notice one thing…every issue between the genders falls into the global depopulation agenda nicely. The abortion culture which was started in the 1900’s by eugenicists, feminism etc. Men should always remember to maintain a selfish stance with women, do not let them think they have won you over. Ever. Always be distant inside to where you can pull the plug on the relationship at any moment. Female mates are not our mothers, and they will never be. They are to be looked at as servants or helpers…and what did men used to do to their servants that aren’t helpful? Well, they disciplined them in one way or another and/or threw them out on their beggar’s ass. Always make women jump through hoops to get something they want. Listen to them as you would a child, but do not show mercy to them like you might a child unless you want to create a the human equivalent of an uncivilized beast bucking wildly and harming themselves and others in their path. Since most women are like this already, you must keep frame and enforce your wants and standards above hers. I’ve noticed what has been working for me lately is making myself look as well groomed as I can physically, and being friendly and social to people mostly men, easy going etc..but then when women give me compliments or approach me, I say thanks and chuckle out of amusement but remain visibly unmoved by their compliments and stear the conversation to elderly topics. Basically, raise your value, live your life first, be selfish, be unmoved by guilting, be unmoved by compliments, be like a large rock in water, and the water will shape itself to your form.

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Also, I do not believe in barganing with women. Making a deal with a woman is like making a deal with a child. As a man, you have to accept that you are alone, but you are all you need in this world. What do these dumb b!tches always say? lol “I don’t need a man!” ..they say this even when they clearly do because they are mimicking what THEY find attractive. Be the man that says “I don’t need a woman!” Even if you do. It will work better than making a deal with them. Your way or no way.

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The older I get the less I have in common with the average woman. In high school and college I would pedestalize girls that had the personality of a rock and justify it by thinking I just wasn’t as intelligent or complex as these creatures were – After all, I was just a dumb brutish guy, right? Of course later on I realized that there was nothing “complex” there, pretty much any girl who’s halfway attractive doesn’t need a personality, intelligence, hobbies, skills, a sense of humor, etc. because guys will like them either way if they’re pleasing to the eye. All this importance on looking for a personality in a woman is just projection on the guy’s part – We’re complex creatures and we therefore assume women are the same as well. But I’d say the average guy is still better than the majority of women in most things in life (Unless she’s some kind of prodigy).

Once I realized this I began to rely less and less on women for my emotional needs or for conversation. When I was with my last girlfriend I viewed the time I spent with her as an opportunity to shut my brain off because I knew we’d never have any truly interesting or stimulating conversations. She’d gossip a lot and when we spoke it was either about people, places, or things. But with my male friends we talk about CONCEPTS. Even my dumbest male friend is able to have a mentally engaging conversation about me. One of my favorite topics is music and music theory, which is very abstract in nature and would bore most girls to death. But it’s part of the inquisitive male mind to figure out how things work – In my case it’s trying to figure out how notes and chords fit together to create melodies.

Long story short, I feel like I lose IQ points every time I’m around a woman and therefore only value them for sex. Anything else besides sex I can get from a male friend who will be much better at it. And aside from that orgasm I feel that women depreciate my quality of life the longer I’m around them. It’s no coincidence I’d feel relief after the night with any of my exes was over, and it’s no coincidence that now that I’m single I’ve been able to get so much more shit done – Women lost their nurturing touch and are more narcissistic than ever, so they will want your undivided emotional attention while being cold and distant to you in your time of need.

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Corollary to my last post, I have a roommate who’s been actively trying to get his shit together for the past year or so. He works a shitty retail job that he hates but has dreams of becoming a writer. So does he apply for jobs at other places or work on his writing on the side? Nope. For a while his free time was spent getting high and watching crappy action movies while bitching about how much his life sucks. But about 6 months ago he got a girlfriend, and now all his free time outside of work is spent with her – She’s either over her or he goes to her place. Oh yeah, he’s still high as a kite and watching shitty movies when they’re together.

Now let me ask you this: How much meaningful progress can you make in life if you spend all your free time with someone else pursuing leisurely activities? Could you apply for jobs or pursue a hobby when you have someone else demanding your attention? Because let’s face it, if you have a girlfriend she’ll want your undivided attention. I was one of those guys who thought he could do work while a girl was in the same room, and I can say that personally I barely got anything done, mainly because I require a lot of concentration with my job.

I’ve always found my most productive periods are when I’m single. Even if I only see a girl once a week it’s still one day out of the week where I could be doing something else to improve my life (Hobby, learning a skill, having ME time, etc.). And I guarantee if my roommate wasn’t so dependent on female validation in the form of his girlfriend then he could get his life turned around. But I guarantee that as long as they’re together I’ll smell the aroma of bong smoke and hear him bitching about how much of an asshole his boss at his minimum wage job is.

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The ship has sailed, gentlemen. And it ain’t coming back! Not with all this technology and plentiful resources.

We have to quit polishing the turd. Women are not going to get any “better”. At least not in our lifetimes. Why should they? What incentive could they possibly have to do so?

That is like trying to tell some wealthy fuck who is doing lines of coke off of an expensive escort’s back that he needs to be more humble because we would like him better that way!

Not gonna happen! Why should he care about what we like?

And so it is with modern, American women. Like the rich fuck, they are high on a constant stream of validation and excess.
They truly don’t care about your problems because they do not have to care about your problems.
These people are living like micro-rock stars. At least they are in their minds. Since when do rock stars pick up after themselves or care about someone’s issues with their taxes?

Like any orgy of excess, this one will end some day also when women reach the saturation point of validation. However, I do not believe that this will be a “come to Jesus” moment for women. I can see them someday openly embracing their submissiveness again( I can even see it as a female fad!) but I think by that time hypergamy will have fully done it’s thing and it will be the top twenty percent of alphas with harems of submissive women. And it will all be an openly accepted practice.

That may sound very dystopian but at this point I simply cannot see a return to monogamy and “old fashioned” values. The future is feral.

And on the actual topic of this article. I think Roosh is right. Modern women take more from a man than they give. Though I do not fully support MGTOW(though I think the basis of it is correct), I think that female “companionship”(have to put that in quotes…hehe) is best taken in small doses. And I’m not just talking about sex here but even just spending time with women.

Modern women WILL wear you down if you spend too much time with them. You may say “well just establish and keep frame”! Well I’m going to tell you that even though that may be possible, it will require A LOT of energy for the majority of men and so the man needs to decide if he feels his energies are best used in trying to keep a woman “tamed” or in doing some other things he may enjoy more.

These days I prefer the latter with a little female company mixed in every so often.

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“I can see them someday openly embracing their submissiveness again( I
can even see it as a female fad!) but I think by that time hypergamy
will have fully done it’s thing and it will be the top twenty percent of
alphas with harems of submissive women. And it will all be an openly
accepted practice.”

Logically this actually sounds bang on the money.

Nice extrapolation there

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I agree 100%, you called it. Best assessment yet. Rock stars and women are also both self destructive. As a rational man, you can’t put much value on something that’s self destructive. In fact, staying away is a good bet because usually self destructive people take themselves down along with everyone around them.

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“The ship has sailed, gentlemen. And it ain’t coming back!”

Sad, but true – it needs to be said. If anything, it’s going to get worse. Thinking men need to understand and accept this.

At BEST, the majority men will have a series of “successful” mini- relationships (I actually refer to them as “nano-relationships”, because with the way things are today, they quite literally are over in nano-seconds.) based entirely on cumming. Any bonus scraps, like a woman that can (or will) throw together something basic like a salad or clean up after herself that are achieved will be outliers.

I’m glad and thankful that I watched my Mother and Grandmother when I was young. I can cook, clean and even sew a little. I do these things for myself, I’m not waiting for, looking for or at this point, even want some mythical flying unicorn to do these things for me.

Which brings me to this point: If we have to do everything for ourselves, don’t be a fucking sap and do anything for these voided women. They’ve made their proverbial bed, let them rot in it. Use them for organic masterbatory toys and no more. “Uhhhh…get out.”

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They don’t anticipate my needs and take initiative like I know they are taught to do in their office jobs

Say what now? I’ve had office jobs for a long time now, and I have yet to meet a female coworker who will do anything she is not directly commanded to do. And even then, as often as not she will try to find a way to shirk doing it, either by feigning incapacity or getting one of her beta orbiters to do it for her.

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Most of the time during my office tenure I was made to look bad was when I was forced by my boss to involve the women he hired in a project. Often they’re duty was clerical in nature, and there were always excuses why mistakes were made, deadlines missed, etc.

I would get fired if I made the excuses they did with regularity. When I leaned on them hard, it would come back to me and I’d get called in by the same jackass boss to explain:”Why can’t you get along with the women in central ops?” “Because fuck face, I’m missing your imposed deadlines on me since you forced me to work with her incompetent ass (I wanted to say)..” but did so in a softer manner.

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I read that line. Women have caused nothing but grief and frustration in my business interactions. I try to get a male to handle any business transaction I can, although most customer service reps are female so it’s difficult.

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I hope this only references Western Women.

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We need girls to make offspring
We can’t do it on our own
And making offspring is the purpose of life

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When women went for the vote, it was the beginning of the end.
When spanking of insubordinate women, both daughters and wives, became abuse, it was the beginning of the end.
When women demanded the “right” to kill their unborn children, it was the beginning if the end. Now, I know many of you men imagine that abortion is a convenient solution to your seed taking “root,” but the practice of killing inconvenient people (unborn ones) has only depreciated the value of human life.
Dealing with women for sexual fulfillment is becoming so expensive and difficult that it’s no wonder so many men are turning to other men for that contact with another human body. Prison inmates use weaker, less aggressive other men as substitute women because they can’t get at real women. When they are released, most go back to women. They weren’t homosexuals at all; they behaved homosexually only while women were not accessible.
Feminism has done incalculable damage to women moreso than to men. Women have gone from their proper role as “helps meet” (aides suitable) to men to unsatisfied harridans (even when young) who are like the “fish out of water,” not only wandering about not knowing what their purpose is in life but bollixing men from attaining their purpose in life.
The small number of women who recognize that there is something wrong are unable to identify it. Feminism has distorted the world around them so severely that they can’t seem to do anything about it. Reminds me of the lobsters-in-a-trap syndrome: The entrance to the trap stays wide open. But whenever a lobster finds that the way out is open and attempts to leave, another lobster grabs its hind leg and pulls it back in.

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I was dating a HB10 many years ago. In six months, I took her on expensive trips, cooked her dinner and cleaned up after her.

Finally, one day, I got sick of it. I asked her, “Name ONE thing you do for me. Just one.”

Her response? “When we go on trips, I hold the tickets.”

A real giver, no? It takes a lot of effort to hold two tickets to the Carribean in your purse, I can imagine.

I broke up with her a few months later and she was shocked. How could a man possibly demand something from her? Didn’t I understand that she was entitled to receive, and never to give? Her attitude is, as Roosh points out, the norm. Today’s women, especially attractive ones, are offended at the idea of giving. For them, giving equates to a slavery of sorts, a “Suzie Homemaker” form of patriarchal oppression.

This type of woman should be banged and then dumped. They are selfish creatures, and they deserve nothing more than a man’s contempt. Use them like they are trying to use you – that is called equality.

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Then you should of just banged her and dumped her instead of treating her like a queen to the point where she began acting like one. People do what you let them do. Not saying you should be a complete asshole with the next girl but don’t put her on a pedestal then get mad when she expects to stay there.

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Boom! I’m liking your comments Genie!

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Did you fill out the required paperwork to post here? Can a man vouch for you?

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I had a serious beta backslide.

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You’re a very stupid woman.

He said she was HB10. I’m assuming that means a Hardbody 10 as far as attractiveness is concerned.

She was already on a fucking pedestal if she was a 10. In this feminist culture with overly thirst beta males, even a fucking 5 and 6 gets put on a pedestal and gets over-inflated and thinks she’s too good for most men.. let alone a fucking 10.

He had to pander to her because that’s what she was used to. And if he didn’t, she knows there’s always another 20 guys standing in line ready to do the same.

Of coruse, at some point, high value men like the man above just get sick of these women. It doesn’t matter how hot she is. .if she’s a selfish cunt and doesn’t bring anything else to the table except for her pussy, high value men are going to get sick of her eventually and either just use her for sex or dump her.

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” Today’s women, especially attractive ones, are offended at the idea of giving. For them, giving equates to a slavery of sorts, a “Suzie Homemaker” form of patriarchal oppression.”

This ^. So much this. God bless you.

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It’s very telling that the women who spout these worn out platitudes along with modern age neologisms like “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” all have terrible relationship track records. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy that they hate cooking, they hate being kind and supportive, they hate traditional gender roles and they hate their womanhood – because they are sexual market failures and deep down they know it. It has nothing to at all to do with being “enlightened” or “educated” and has everything to do with compensating for their shameful behavior and their abysmal luck with men in the brutal sexual market. “Hamster” as you guys refer to it, is in full swing.

That should be the universal metric or “screening process” for men, although I suspect it already is – a woman boasting in terms of being a sexual market failure by not knowing how to cook a decent meal or how to be in a supportive, nurturing role is a tell-all. She’s a failure as a woman, period. And to brag openly about these shortcomings is erring on something sinister and pathological.

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I remember a few months back I took a girl out to my favourite local ethiopian food restaurant. If I’m gonna take a girl out to dinner, I’m gonna eat a delicious and affordable meal.

We had some fun and my game was pretty smooth and confident that night. It all derailed though when I started asking her questions. It started when I asked her what her favourite food was… “Umm… hamburgers and hot dogs. You know? Normal food!”

I told her I thought she was retarded, of all the fucking incredible delicacies in the world your favourite is cheap-ass frozen-section food? Turned out this girl had a university education but absolutely no clue what the fuck to do in a kitchen. Give me some ingredients and a stove and I can put together a proper meal for myself or a guest, and this girl is impressed by hot-dogs and hamburgers?

The second thing she told me that put me off was when she mentioned that she is having a social meltdown because her best friend no longer talks to her. Apparently her best guy friend’s girlfriend hates her guts. I asked her if she previously slept with this “friend” of hers and she replied “Yeah so?”

I get it that people make mistakes… but this otherwise reasonably presentable-looking girl was a fucking moron and I didn’t want to be around her anymore. She was 27 years old.

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“You’re retarded”. hahaha
I think you just proved Asperger’s Game doesnt work!

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Fuck, man…. WHAT do you expect from an average CANADIAN FEMALE???? They are ALL like that! They have NO idea how to take care of themselves, how to be stylish, how to cook even the simplest meal…
A Canadian female at 27 has brains of a 12 years old person.

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Not just “CAnadian”.. the bitch was probably from Toronto, given Clark Kent is from there.. and we all know by now Toronto cultivates the most horrendous, feminist, entitled, useless women on all the planet.

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Jesus Christ, Roosh… Next, you’ll be telling us that MGTOW may have a point…

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I’ve stated that MGTOW gets the first half correct in that they understand the problem. We see mostly eye to eye to that. But how to solve or approach the problem is where we are quite different.

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Yeah, makes sense. The original MGTOW guys (Bonecrcker, Pook, et all) weren’t against relationships, either. It’s this new breed that seems to think celibacy is the answer.

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I’m not sure anyone is saying celibacy is the answer; it’s just the path of least resistance. Changing the society is an incredible task. My personal choice has been near-MGTOW while at home in the USA, and gaming girls when I go abroad. And I travel a lot.

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Well, either way…Whether Neomasculinity or MGTOW, both strike at the underbelly of feminism: Their money. Good luck paying for all those lovely government programs when men everywhere just opt out or live minimally because marriage is dead and there is no reason to be a beta provider.

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Women are caretakers of the penis and are there to provide and serve its every need.

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These are my sentiments exactly. And I haven’t found an answer to the problem either. The only solution is to keep going forward, and hope that one day–by an accident of fate–we meet one that a measure of emotional sustenance.

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It’s still possible to find those girls. You would be amazed with how much you can get away with as a man if you hint to a the girl the possibility of a LTR, but expect certain things. The points that make you happy – all of those you could mention to the girl in combination even with an occasional FFM threesome.

When you see Girlfriend potential in a woman, then you can run a different Game on her that is akin to Deep Conversion. As she opens up herself to you she does the best to be a good and obedient girl.

I did that stuff involuntarily in the past until later now realizing what worked so well at creating that kind of pull. IF it is potentially within her, then a woman will be doing her most to make you happy.

But yes – the number of women who have that potential is smaller. In EE and Asia – they are still numerous enough.

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If you see girlfriend potential in a girl stop gaming them. Gaming implies you are lacking in something hence having to apply a strategy to get her to commit. If she can’t commit to you as your authentic self guess what? She’s not girlfriend material. Same goes for women who pretend to be something they’re not to land a guy. This crap is half the problem.

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Only a women could argue like that. Game becomes part of your being and not some kind of X-Box you play. No Alpha I know has to “apply a strategy” to get her to commit. That part is easy. More difficult is that she lives according to his guidelines and not vice-versa. And of course you are your “authentic self” – why should you play roles?
Besides – men don’t stop being interested in other women even if they have the perfect one at home. LTRs by those guys fall apart because they don’t commit enough and not because their women leave them just like that.

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“Only a woman could argue like that”. That’s cute. I agree a true alpha male doesn’t have to game anyone. You mentioned that what’s harder is getting the girl to live according to your guidelines not hers. I’m not sure what that means. Does it mean she has no say in how she wants to experience the relationship, only you have a say? Or do your guidelines mean the girl can’t manipulate you and try to call all the shots, that you won’t put up with that shit (understandably). Do your guidelines include both you and the girl taking each other’s needs and feelings into consideration?

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I have some insights but I’m sure you’re not going to like them. First, I think all of what you are looking for is commendable. But I am going to have to excuse that you have never dated a man and have no idea how emotionally exhausting dating a man could be.

I believe women have a finite amount of emotional energy. If any woman has any type of job or goes to school you can assume she is running on a 50% emotional reserve at any given time. If she has a roommate (assuming female) you can already dock off 5% per roommate and 10% if she doesn’t get along with a roommate.

So assuming you are dating a woman with a job with one female roommate she is already at 45% emotional reserve. Now, if she is irresponsible with money or is poor you can dock off another 20% of emotional energy going towards worrying about bills and finances. If she is not irresponsible with money (I know you are already laughing) you can still dock off 10% for worrying about money.

So now we are at 35% emotional reserve of a normal girl without kids (you can estimate 0% emotional reserves) if we are no longer docking points for depression, anxiety, or her friends.

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All relationships require an investment of time and energy. The problem that men are facing in modern society (as Roosh notes above) is that women are encouraged to spend their time and energy in many places (like you note), often at the expense of any men in their lives. Thus, the problem is not that men are particularly “exhausting”, but rather that women’s energy is spread too thin.

This problem stems from the fact that women have been sold a lie that they can “have it all” – career, husband, kids, household, etc. So, women are killing themselves to “do it all” and hating themselves when they fail at any part of it. With only so much time and energy to go around, however, it is inevitable that something has to get neglected in a woman’s over-packed life. In most cases, that is women’s romantic relationships. Ultimately then, this process is not beneficial for either men or women – and making everyone miserable.

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I didn’t mean to imply men are exhausting in a demeaning way. I meant it as dating a man is exhausting because of how screw up the dating market is today. Neither sexes know where they stand and many people are ambiguous about their intentions, needs, and desires.

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Very true

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Good point. I certainly wouldn’t want to go back to barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen but I think a rebalancing of gender roles with mutual respect, friendship, and companionship could go a long way towards relationship and family stability. So a lighter version of the 1950s where men and women appreciate what each brings to the relationship and strives to enhance the life of the other.

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There a grave misunderstanding about men and women of the 1950’s. Housewives were seen as shallow for wanting the house with the white picket fence and staying at home with the children. But these were the same women who grew up in the great depression, worked in the factories and grew victory gardens for the war effort, and loss men during war. After sacrificing so much a house and family was the greatest dream for them.

The men also grew up during the depression and later went to war. The ones who returned rightfully earned their important position within society.

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And, yet, history shows those women raised their kids to hate their own hard-working fathers.

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To be fair the baby boom generation was radically different from their parents and their large numbers guaranteed they were going to get whatever they wanted.

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If you vacuum once in a while and take the garbage out, she will have more time and energy, I am sure.

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Do you use the vacuum to blow up your doll because it will provide you with “more time and energy”? I bet the doll can cook a better meal than you can too.

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I am sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t have an inflatable doll. Although I do have a vacuum. And I cook very well. Judging by your responses, you most likely cannot cook or eat. So go ahead and eat something, I am giving you my permission. A nice, long, juicy sausage. Suck on it. Make sure to get the juice out. Or a nice, long, juicy banana. You will feel better, trust me.

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Ewww you’re a sick disgusting perverted POS. Having a picture of an animal in your bio is apt for you – you’re as uncivilized, gross and disgusting as a filthy animal, you cretin.

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I see that you don’t like my picture. I happen to think it is cute. Way better than some gray round object, a shadow of a man. You don’t even have eyes…

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They’re docking off all those points in emotional energy for having to deal with roomates and jobs because women are designed to be handling children and food preparation along with other housewives while the men are out acquiring the resources. Women should go to college to find a husband, not to become an office manager lol. Women are all over the map…either having single parent households supplemented by Uncle Sam and his collection up beta bucks to redistribute to single moms, or women end up as partied-out hags with cats for children. Seriously..this is what females wanted for thousands of years? Women have just been waiting to raise cats or manginas by themselves and die alone? All for a corporate job or to have the right to join the military, firefighters etc?

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This is just the tip of the iceberg. I am not even accounting for lifestyle choices. But you are completely right. Men’s resources as income used to go primarily to his household and a woman’s emotional resources went to her husband and family.

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So where does the man come in? She’s already ‘exhausted’ from the hard work of doing nothing so stay the fuck home.

Cries, what a loser.

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I don’t care about ’emotional reserves’. Women should be managing the muffins not the spreadsheets.

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Oh trust me- you’ll want a woman who knows her way around a spreadsheet unless you want to end up with someone whose financially inept.

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Society destroyed women. Ironically, I agree with feminists that men are the problem (though we are radically opposed when it comes to solutions). Only men can grab their balls, man up, and make the change. Whining about how women have to change is futile. We are the doers. The only reason women are shit is because of men that lack the courage to stand up to them.

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Feminism wouldn’t have gotten as far if spineless betas didn’t enable it.

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The problem with the modern world is that those women who actually realize and understand that ANY successful and evolving relationship is a TWO WAY street are VERY few and far between.
Yes, one may get lucky and encounter such a female who ain’t gonna base her life on a ME ME ME FIRST kind of an attitude but chances are that one will not do that.
Modern females want I all given them on a silver platter without any effort from their part! It’s like “Mr. Right and RIGHT NOW!”. Ain’t happening.
I still say it’s possible to find a girl who’d be able to improve man’s life and appreciate a joint effort in a relationship but chances to find such a female are decreasing with every passing month since more and more women are being infected with the virus of political correctness and feminism and start seeing males as walking wallets.

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Our generation grew up hearing, “you can do anything, the world is at your feet. Be strong, be independent.” It has taken me this long to realize that it is bullshit and that I’m the strongest when I get in touch with my femininity. I thought that to be strong I had to harness my masculine nature. We, women, need to realize that we are sacrificing our opportunity to truly connect at an intimate level with men when we neglect, deny, or suppress our femininity. I’m so happy to see you writing about the qualities you value in women. This is a very important and big step towards you finding her.

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How long did it take you?

Your whole prime? Lol.

Andrea
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You know it.

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For every woman who realizes there is a problem with modern femininity there are 1000 who have no clue that there is even a problem. The current paradigm is just natural for them

Women need to do more than just get “in touch” with their femininity, they need to actually re-learn what it means to be female.

Wearing pink and tons of makeup and jewelry is NOT what make a woman feminine.

BUT, as long as “likes”, “tags”, drama, and using men for all they possibly can provide bigger feelz than connecting intimately with men things will not be changing anytime soon.

Andrea
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We will be exploring what femininity means today in the future.

ShepardSays
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Let me know if you want to add my opinions and insights to the conversation.

Andrea
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Definitely. We need women who are open to the dialogue.

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You have a point I think a lot of women are like this. But how much of this is a front to avoid getting hurt? How much of a guy’s player behaviour is a front to avoid getting hurt? In some ways, feminism, and the player attitude makes it more difficult to establish real connections when dating. I would even say it erodes the social skills and cognitive capacity to make those connections.

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“But how much of this is a front to avoid getting hurt?”

Nope, I’m done seeing women as fragile, perpetual victims. They follow the path of least resistance.
And right now that path is constant validation and almost limitless options both of which trump intimate relationships with men.

I would even go so far so say that for the majority of women, men are an afterthought behind themselves and other women.

I do not believe that the majority of women have the capability to see men as emotional human beings therefore to a woman and man is never “real”.

To be even more precise, a woman does not WANT to see a man as an emotional human being because that would make him REAL!
And REAL is something that a woman solely reserves for herself and other women.

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If that’s how you really feel then nothing I say will change that I would be stupid to even try. I disagree with you but I’m not you and I don’t know what happened in your life to lead you to have this opinion but I’m sure you have your reasons. However, I find, from past personal experience, when you have a certain negative view of people, all of your interactions with them are interpreted in a way that feeds into that view.

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Well this is classic!

Isolate the man from his opinion, call his character into question by insinuating that he could have only reached that conclusion from being damaged in some way, then put ALL the blame on the man by out-rightly saying that if he would only change his views he would magically see that half of the world’s population really are manic pixie dream girls!

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Not calling your character into question. Not saying your damaged. But if you had mainly positive experiences with women your post would read much differently. You know that. Yes there are real bitches out there and changing your view isn’t going to change that, but if you see all women the same, then how will you ever notice the nice ones? It’s like women who see all men as assholes, guess what? They never seem to meet a nice guy go figure.

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I’ve experienced exactly that in relationships with women. Dating women today feels like hanging out with a prospective corporate boss during an interview, and the interview ends once you show a brief moment of being human and not a machine, or when you as the man decide you are tired of the interview and leave. There is no “relating” on their part. If they did not have feminine physical features NOBODY would want to EVER spend time with them. They are betting everything on looks and holes, and they are losing it all. They are effectively ending their family lines through not reproducing, or reproducing damaged individuals.

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I can relate, there have been a few times even this year where I have been talking to a girl and thinking “if this person didnt have a vagina would I be talking to them”?

So many girls seem to give the barest of minimum of conversational effort.

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Great point! Never give a shit about what a woman thinks or says. They are delusional morons. And remember, they will never in a million years give a shit about a man.

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You’re wrong. Feminine traits, beeing kind and caring, willing to bond only lead to get treated like shit and get fucked and thrown away as soon they get bored. And that goes on until you’re too old to be interesting. men scent that these women are easy prey because these women really like and idealize men.

They use you for draining their balls, as a cleaner, cook, therapist while they stray around, lie and cheat and look for something better than you and you get nothing in return. I’ve never found a man who truly appreciates these traits.

Truth is men just pretend to like this kind of woman because it’s so easy to handle them and they almost forgive everything, bc they are glad to have found a man they like. Been there done that. Just read these comments here. Even the guys with wife or gf threaten to throw her away immediately if she ever does not behave exactly the way he wants. They even complain that you don’t improve their life enough, while a woman would already be glad and thankful about a man who doesn’t make her life miserable. They absolutely don’t care about your feelings and needs, they don’t even care if they abuse you emotionally or infect you with bonding disorders because eventually you lose the ability to trust. In my experience the only thing a man is interested in is himself and the more you try to prove your worth the more he disrespects you.

If you don’t learn to stand up for yourself, pay your bills and go your own way you will have a miserable life because no man will do it for you. Most men are not interested in serious relationships no matter how hard you try, no matter how much they pretend.
In your case it doesnt even matter if you’re feminine or not because of you age. If I were you I would improve my harness and learn to live without a man. Otherwise you’ll probably end up very miserably.

You still can dream and hope but I wouldn’t put my money on a man anymore. When i was 18 I was romantic just like you and dreamt of marriage and all that shit now I’m 25 and my stupid childish dreams have faded away. Accepting that and being able to live without a man’s mercy makes life lonlier and it takes some effort to suppress your emotional needs but it’s less traumatic. Take the Red Pill and stop believing in Twilight shit.

ShepardSays
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Oh, the bitterness. Your still young and congrats you now know the rom-coms you grew up with are fantasy. At the age of 25 you should just assume every young guy you’ve dated didn’t have their shit together. Time to throw out the rom-coms for good and practice some emotional chastity.

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Have you ever wondered why (on an individual level, not a collective one) they behave the way they do, be it how you describe or in some other way?

uncomfortable truth
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countless times but I have no clue bc I’ve always tried to treat them good.
I tried to become more nicely more caring more supportive bur it was never enough and now I’m tired.
And I never fell for bad boys with prison tattoos and a history of domestic violence or something.
Just in case you’re assuming that.

MKDAWUSS
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Understanding why someone does what they do can help. I can only speak for me (27, dateless, and now no longer caring) when I do what it is I do. Usually, the experience (or exposures) behind the actions are rarely (if ever) seen.

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Do you want to say I shouldn’t be botherd by that treatment bc it’s possible that a man only behave like that bc of bad experiences?
I’ve never tried to hurt men just to take revenge or something. I always try not to make other people suffer for my issues bc these people, especially the ones I’ve never met before have nothing to do with it.

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You probably reject all the good guys and fall for the “hawt” players and bad boy types.

There are good men who want love. .and will give as much as they take in a relationship. But they’re invisible to most women because they aren’t “hawt” or flashy enough. It seems you’ve had some very bad experiences.. but I have to ask.. why do you keep falling for the wrong type of men? Maybe you should ask yourself that.

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Your argument that femininity leads to being used by men is why we are in this predicament; women acting like men to avoid being used by them. We, women, need to learn that femininity is not about getting fake boobs, dumbing down, wearing high heels, being submissive out of fear, etc. Feminine energy is just as powerful as masculine energy but it is different. Strong masculine men are attracted to strong feminine women because of balance like the Yin and the yang.

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“They use you for draining their balls, as a cleaner, cook, therapist while they stray around, lie and cheat and look for something better than you and you get nothing in return. I’ve never found a man who truly appreciates these traits.”

First of all: your language is disgusting. Feminine women do not use phrases like “draining their balls.” Kindly cease and desist.
Second of all: none of the things you mention- cleaning, cooking, and being a therapist- are things you do before you are in a committed relationship with a man. You know why? Because when you’re first getting to know someone, you’re out on dates together. You’re not at his house cleaning or cooking. In the case of being the free therapist, end the date politely and date someone else. That person is not ready for a real relationship.

Act like a maid and a shoulder to cry on and that’s how you’ll be treated. As a true relationship based on physical, intellectual, emotional, and spiritual compatibility develops, you will absolutely be doing housework, making meals, and helping your spouse through tough times. And that person will appreciate it because you taught them to respect you.

This advice is for men as well. You don’t let someone walk all over you. You set boundaries and expectations, and, if they get crossed, *you* walk.

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Yeah but I do and everyone understands what I’m talking about. Is a woman not allowed to show anger if she feels it?
What would feminine women say in your humble opinion? He emptied his scrotum?

Of course I’m talking about commited relationships, stupid. There are plenty of men who are perfectly able to fake a whole relationship. It’s not that difficult if you’re smart.
Just behave the way she likes, talk the way she likes, make her like you, make her feel loved make her afraid to lose you then you can get almost everything from her. While on the inside you’re laughing your ass off about how stupid she is to believe you. Do you really think this isn’t happening all the time?
If you’ve never experienced this you’re probably just lucky nothing more. Stop playing some kind of wise relationship coach.

Kate Minter
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No.

Where you and I likely disagree is that anything less than marriage is a committed relationship.

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First of all: your language is disgusting. Feminine women do not use phrases like “draining their balls.” Kindly cease and desist.

This is a male space. You may find the language used to be rough and the manner direct, but that’s how it is.

Your other points are well-taken or made. Whichever.

À bientôt,

Mistral

Kate Minter
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Mistral,
I am not in the habit of correcting men’s language. I do object to a woman speaking that way.

A bientot smile
Kate

Mistral
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Good girl.

À bientôt,

Mistral

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Being real, genuine, and putting yourself out there at the risk if getting rejected is the sacrifice that men and women need to make to find someone who enhances their lives. Operating behind a fence of self preservation, while safe, doesn’t get you what you really want if what you want is a partner you can share your life with. Women are often afraid to get too close for fear of being hurt so they keep things simple and light and don’t let men in ( emotionally). Men interpret that as she doesn’t give a shit this is just a fling and they act accordingly. Men also, can be fearful of becoming vulnerable and potentially getting hurt. They act aloof and it comes across as being a player which just reinforces the woman to continue to hold back on anything real. This is a problem for both sexes. It takes guts to be vulnerable with people in modern dating situations. No one wants to be the first to express how they feel about the other, and it’s a game of going only so far as the other person goes.

Kitten Holiday
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Amen. Being vulnerable shows true courage.

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I don’t know which women you’re referring to. I work in the nightclub industry, the girls aren’t walking home with the most “genuine” guys.

Genie
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Do all women hang out at nightclubs? If your view of women is solely based on what you see in a nightclub, well…….

Clark Kent
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Fair point.
My concerns about male/female relations don’t come from the nightclub scene. This part of the city is just an exaggerated version of the behaviour that’s going on in general.

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You’re in Toronto right? Me too. There is a larger portion of shallow women here which I posted about before, which can skew a person’s view of women. I don’t know what part of the city you’re in but I find that neighbourhood bars, pubs etc have more laid back women. The entertainment district is swarming with women looking for sugar daddies and men happy to use those women. When I first moved here and hung out at nightclubs I though all guys were players. Thankfully I met a lot of decent guys who proved my view wrong.

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I think this guy does the most accurate breakdown of Toronto culture. I have yet to meet girls here that are commitment compatible. You have to get out of the GTA to find down-to-earth girls.

http://livinginthedeadcity.weebly.com/cultural-collapse.html

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Toronto does seem like a crappy place for single males based on what I remember in the club scene and I’ll take your word for it that in general its not a pretty picture for the average single guy. Maybe I’m naive to think there has to be a few decent single women in the city, but I’m not a guy trying to meet women, just like you’re not a woman trying to decide on whether or not she should date you.

What is your idea of a commitment compatible girl?

Clark Kent
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An attractive girl that can complement a man, rather than compete with him.

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http://livinginthedeadcity.weebly.com/archive/toronto-women-in-their-20s1
Wow. Just clicked on one at random. Scary and insightful at the same time. But you gotta wonder if that guy put that much effort into explaining why Toronto is so shitty, why doesn’t he just GTFO?

Clark Kent
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He did. The dude lives in LA now. He stopped writing so much since he got out. He probably got a life razz

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Toronto females are the worst imaginable! I strongly recommend every self respecting males living in Toronto to run away from that place and from Canada as a country.
It’s impossible to meet good women at “local bars or pubs”, they just ain’t there! And never will be.
Fuck Entertainment District, fuck Canadian double standards, head games and hypocrisy and fuck Toronto!

Rawhide
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Yes, all women hang out at night clubs. Case closed.

Bavieca
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I do know which women she or any NAWALT advocate is referring to – the ones who are putting up an act.

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I see this all the time here in Los Angeles.

Rawhide
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I have no problem expressing how I feel to a woman. If I find her attractive, I ask her if she’d like to fuck. If she says yes, then we fuck. And if she wants to clean my apartment afterwards, then by all means she can. I love expressing my feelings to women, and I also enjoy feeling my women. How’s that for touchy-feely? As long as they don’t ever extract resources from me, then we can all get along just fine.

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we are all red pillers here….your argument falls on deaf ears.

try this on betas and white knights….they’ll fall for your kinda logic.
We are already enlightened and above this bullshit you just talked about

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An important article is so many ways. Roosh is helping men view women in exactly the same way as women (since the advent of 2nd wave feminism) view men: as nothing more than options. Gentlemen, if she does indeed leave your apartment in worse shape than before she entered, all she is is a pump n dump. Use her and chuck her. Because that’s all she is doing to you. Do NOT buy her things.

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I hear you, Roosh. You feel you as a man have to put out all this effort and provide all those resources and get nothing in return. Be thankful that you haven’t married one of those women like I did.

Rawhide
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I’m 50, and I don’t know one happily married man. They are all miserable. Dealing with these retarded, psychotic, entitled, delusional cunts has put far too many men in an early grave. Run, Forest, Run!

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Actually, I do know two very happily married men. Interestingly, in both cases, both the man and his wife are on the homely side; the women even more so. But the women are very sweet and appreciative for what they have. A winning personality for a woman can make up for a lot of physical deficits.

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..

Mark Kimmel
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(In terms of SMV), marry down. Your mistresses, however, are another story.

Bavieca
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Nah dude, I’m a MGTOW. I won’t even marry up, let alone marry down, prostitutes are way cheaper and hassle-free.

Mark Kimmel
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Prostitutes will destroy your soul.

Bavieca
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Marriage will destroy my body & soul. And besides, I’ve sold my soul to Satan long ago in exchange for helping me to escape the slaughter by Scipio’s cavalry at Zama.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zama

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I hope you have good health insurance to treat STD and HIV. #emotionalmaturity

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Men can contract STD and HIV from their wives, now you’re still just an immature kid who knows jackshit about life but someday you’ll realize that prostitutes are waaay better than marriage. Haven’t you seen the quality of women these days? The only way they can make me be present at the altar is to kill me first and drag my corpse there.

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Dream on! Nobody wants you so to kill you and drag your corpse to the altar you would have to pay a lot of money! You guys are hilarious in your delusions. By the way, married men are healthier and live longer. That’s a proven fact.

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“Nobody wants you …”

How I wish that is really the case so I can go about my life peacefully without some female busy buddies from time to time attempted to hook me up with their fat and or ugly female friends. Even in the Manosphere, we men have had cunts whined at us for finding marriage to be an absolutely retarded thing for modern men.

“so to kill you and drag your corpse to the altar you would have to pay a lot of money!”

Why would I wanna pay anyone to kill me?

“You guys are hilarious in your delusions.”

You’re not very bright, are you?

“By the way, married men are healthier and live longer. That’s a proven fact.”

That’s a proven myth, please educate yourself, being willfully ignorant is not pretty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ed89wHzzPE

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Wow, your mind is totally warped. I wonder, do you also believe in Unicorns?
“A major survey of 127,545 American adults found that married men are healthier than men who were never married or whose marriages ended in divorce or widowhood. Men who have marital partners also live longer than men without spouses; men who marry after age 25 get more protection than those who tie the knot at a younger age, and the longer a man stays married, the greater his survival advantage over his unmarried peers.” Harvard Medical School

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OMG! Too bad the survey doesn’t have the stamp of the great liar Dr. Oz on it otherwise I’d be compelled to drop on my knees to declare my undying CIS love to and propose for the fat hand of the nearest fatty so then I will outlive those silly singles and reach the age of 6,000 years old, yay!

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You are in denial.

Bavieca
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Whaaaaat?? If marriage render men longevity then pray tell why can’t I live to the age of 6,000 years old?? OMG!!

Must I marry at least 100 women in order to outlive those silly single MGTOWs by leaps and bounds???

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First, try to marry at least one. I don’t see a line of eager women, lining up to cease their chance to marry Prince Baveica. No love messages for Valentine for you either. Can you guess why?
Because you listen to losers like Roosh and watch losers on Youtube. If you want to find a good girl, don’t listen to those guys. Listen to a guy who has been happily married to THE SAME WOMAN for at least 50 years. He knows the answers.

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“I don’t see a line of eager women, lining up to cease their chance to marry Prince Baveica.”

Well, unfortunately my dad is no King and I am no Prince so that’s why you don’t see those eager women wanting to ride my cock in exchange for resources and status.

“No love messages for Valentine for you either.”

That’s because I told the handful of women who fancy me to give me money which is far more useful in the real world. I mean, I can’t use Valentine love messages to buy food or ammo or even to pay the IRS.

“If you want to find a good girl, don’t listen to those guys.”

I already have a good girl from my local church, she’s currently 23YO and she had sworn to marry me under 2 conditions :

1) She had reached the age of 35 and failed to secure commitment from dudes such as these

http://www.herinterest.com/30-hot-male-actors-under-30-in-2015/

2) She had hit the wall and can’t find no better man than me.

I must wait 12 years but hey it would be worthwhile for such a good girl like her, I mean……… yeah that’s keepin’ it real…………gnome saint?

“Listen to a guy who has been happily married to THE SAME WOMAN for at least 50 years. He knows the answers.”

Regretfully I know no such dude but I know plenty of dudes who had been happily married to the SAME WOMAN for 50 weeks or 50 months before taken to the cleaners.

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Hey, don’t take some of the stuff I say to heart, it is really just some innocent trolling. Who knows, you could be a real prince. Wink, wink!

So you don’t know anyone who has been happily married for a long time. I wonder why? Do you live on the moon by any chance? Sure, 50% of all the marriages fail, but 50% succeed. So you don’t know any? Something is wrong. It is called “bias”. Either you have read too much of Roosh’s stuff or you are just saying it for the sake of the argument.
Let me assure you – Roosh is a sick perv, lonely and bitter. I am pretty sure he has some mental problems. If you don’t want to end up like him (and trust me, nobody wants to), find somebody better to follow. And that is pretty much everybody else, including even dogs.

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“Sure, 50% of all the marriages fail, but 50% succeed. So you don’t know any? Something is wrong.”

I know quite a number of people who are married for 10-15 years but I can’t know for sure whether or not they are truly happily married. If anyone asked those people in public “are you both happily married” what do you think their answer would be? Some people opted to stay in an unhappy marriage because they fear being alone and dying alone so much.

Not sure how you or any other people would define a “successful marriage” , I would define it as a marriage in which the man can experience a happier existence as opposed to being single. In other words, I would define a marriage which generates a happy wife and 9 children but renders the man unhappy is a failed marriage.

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This is the funniest video I have ever watched. I wonder how dumb a person needs to be to believe this one. He actually distorts the truth, ignores facts and does not provide any credible evidence to support his idea. Blah, blah, blah and more blah.

I know now why you are single. You are dumb, naive, irresponsible and uneducated.

Bavieca
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I had a hunch that you’ll refuse to accept the truth and resorted to childish ad hominems as so many of your ilk had done before here and beyond. And true to form, you didn’t deviate from your party line.

Thanks for providing me the platform & pretext to further broadcast my views to my fellow men here though – other than that, your gobbledygook served me no other use.

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The truth? The truth??? Some crazy guy on Youtube who is too scared to show his real face says the truth while the actual scientists who have cross-reference studies don’t?
Denial. It looks as if you are a member of an anti-women club. There are plenty of young, slim, gorgeous girls with long hair that cook and are happy with their boyfriends everywhere. They are just not interested in you. Is it too hard to admit this fact?

Bavieca
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Forget those gorgeous girls for a minute, now I’m genuinely interested in knowing in minute details about this supposed longevity which I can gain by marriage. So, how many marriages must I enter into to enable me to outlive those loser MGTOW men by 5,000 years at the very least?

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One. Just one. And a happy one.

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