Don’t Let Your Game Atrophy Over Time

The reason you developed game in the first place will no longer be relevant when you achieve the sex life you had originally desired. You’ll experiment less, approach less, and be less motivated to make new adjustments that are needed in an ever changing environment. In this atrophy phase, the efficiency of your game will decrease, and the only way to get results of your immediate past is to approach a greater quantity of women.

My game peaked by the end of 2012. I had been in Europe for two years and had developed a workable game to get me the women I wanted. I was satisfied with my flag count, my notch count, and the quality I was getting, so there was no reason to try harder at getting laid. I no longer sought out the challenge of the game. I decreased my experimentation and executed what I already knew worked. I became more resentful of having to be an entertaining clown to women so I toned down the more exciting parts of my personality.

Most significantly, I did less approaches. Instead of going into a nightclub three times a week to do ten approaches each, I was approaching far less in the club and replacing it with only one or two approaches in the day time. I went from 40 or more approaches a week to often less than 10.

My date game was atrophying as well. I used to tell long strories that would reveal my most positive attributes, but now I was relying mostly on touching and witticisms alone to escalate to sex. I have one love story from Brazil that always gets a great emotional reaction from women—sometimes even eliciting tears—but I stopped telling it because it was too long. I got too lazy.

The atrophy hit me in summer 2014 while in Ukraine. For a place I had been to before, I was getting less than before on a similar quantity of approaches. I was stubborn initially, refusing to do much about it except approach a bit more, but when that still wasn’t getting me the results I wanted, I started to look at every part of my game. I compared what I was currently doing to my game of the past and was shocked at how much it degraded. I was losing both skill and potency.

For one month I decided to experiment with all components without a focus on results. I needed to re-introduce things I stopped doing and get rid of bad habits I had accumulated after living in a favorable European environment for so long. Here are the changes I made after this month of experimentation:

  • I started to unleash more of my inner clown. I would put the extra effort into making a girl laugh and getting her emotions running higher.
  • I started to qualify girls more, asking them questions about their accomplishments that hinted at me being highly selective.
  • I started to tell longer stories which casually described cool or great things I’ve done in the past.
  • I started to talk more about my work and the passion for truth and knowledge that drives it, though I stopped short of showing them a copy of Poosy Paradise.
  • I became much less tolerant of flakey and wishy-washy girls, moving on if they showed hints of disprespect early in the interaction.
  • In the case where a same day bang was not possible, I started asking for dates, not numbers, to decrease the time I wasted with bad prospects.
  • I was much more aggressive on the first date with sealing the deal (I had for some reason become less urgent with it).
  • I started to add phone calls to my normal texting game (I found that girls are more eager to see me when they hear the sound of my voice before planning a date).
  • I dabbled in internet game during my day’s downtime when I wasn’t doing much, making sure of course that it didn’t interfere with face-to-face approaches.

I was in the middle of a cold streak during this experimentation: I had been dumped by Anna and then suffered a bad vacation in Turkey. I came back to Odessa without any prospects and a game that was rusty, but if there’s one quality that men have, it’s being able to work hard and make adjustments. Within a month after my game re-building project, where I spent at least 60 minutes a day on game experimentation, I made love to two Ukrainian girls within a 48 hour period. It wasn’t a rock star achievement by any means, but it was a nice way to end the cold streak while fixing my game problems.

If there’s anything I learned from this experience, it’s that relying on approaches alone to get you a desirable sex life is only a partial solution becomes you will get less excited with the prospect of sex as you get older. At that point, you will need a more potent game that gets you a bang based on less approaches, but such potency can only come from thoughtful experimentation and analysis of what you’re doing in addition to seeking out niches that cater to your strengths. When you’re 35 years old and unwilling (or unable) to go to the club four times a week, and can’t spend two hours a day approaching 10 girls on the street, you’ll have to depend more on game ability (brains) instead of raw effort.

It’s important to check your game at least once a year for its effectiveness. Is it working as well as in the past? Are you having to put in more effort for the same reward? If not then your game could be atrophying, and the right steps must be taken to increase it back to its former glory. If you work smart enough, you may even surpass your previous results.

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Clint Barton
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Truth. It is very difficult to keep your game tight when you’ve got some regulars. I’d also add that once a man gets his logistics on lock, his game can atrophy as a result.

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Yeah your posts were taking on a pretty somber tone for awhile. Maybe the Ukrainian winter has been taking a toll on your mood.

Never really understood your incipient bitterness about having to be a clown–that’s what makes the game fun. Many different types of clowns: life-of-the-party clowns, dancing clowns, singing clowns, story-telling clowns, mysterious clowns, intriguing clowns, rich clowns. Make no mistake, you have to play as some kind.

A lot of guys are trying to get at that va-yeyah! so as a near-universal rule: men perform, women choose. If you’re trying to truly seduce a girl, part of the performance is concealing that you are performing. This is all nothing new and you’ve already covered these themes in previous writings.

It seems worth repeating: In one’s dealings with men, a man would be wise to make himself useful to other men and to become someone deserving of men’s admiration. To do this, a man must cultivate his courage, mastery, strength, and honor–all outlined in the Way of Men.

In one’s dealings with women, a single man would be wise to seek play and entertainment, appreciating them for the wonderful maddening, capricious, and perishable creatures that they are.

Horses for courses.

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“Never really understood your incipient bitterness about having to be a clown–that’s what makes the game fun. ”

How old are you? How many years have you been actively gaming? How many women do you estimate you’ve approached in your life?

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Your game has not atrophied . There is a conspiracy against you. Place the blame squarely at the feet of the jews . Its the fault of Jews , Zionists , The Mossad ,” The Talmud ” , Banksters , Bolshevics , Israelis , NeoCons , The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion all conspiring to deter the gash from giving you the play . They are all powerful , in control of all world governments , banks , media , celebrities . The only thing they cannot control is youtube videos and comment sections at the end of articles . There is a youtube video about it , and that makes it factually correct.

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Hasbara?

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U so snarkalicious!

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“Never really understood your incipient bitterness about having to be a clown–that’s what makes the game fun.”

Clowning isn’t fun for me largely because 95% of women are unable to match my entertainment and keep my attention and that’s when they’re actively trying to.

For many men being the one that consistently has to shoulder the responsibility of creating ‘it just happened’ eventually leads to deep resentment.

I really wish there was a ‘Geisha’ class in modern society, because they’d be the ones that you’d really want to swoop for a relationship, notch count be damned.

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They existed in America, once upon a time. They were called finishing schools, and since their demise, it’s been all downhill.

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“wonderful maddening, capricious, and perishable creatures they are”? perhaps you mean ‘baby shitters’

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If you spent the time on game on your lifestyle instead, the return on investment these days will be greater. Even the best gurus have success rates of 3% after thousands of approaches, and it is simpler easier to create a lifestyle to attract women, so with poorer game, you can still get some of them. Game was a good marketing gimmick and had some value, but apart from simple tricks such as frame, logistics and getting you to approach, it had done little else. Worse, the spam approaching that game pronounced has helped women have their head in the clouds, and promoted a culture of degeneracy – even the most hardened of PUAs eventually hates the game and wants a relationship, but after so many fucks they will never be able to get their head back into the LTR path. Game if pushed to its extremes can be destructive, as can almost any other ideology.

Besides, what younger men have the time, some money and inclination to do 1000s of approaches and waste time that could be better spent on setting themselves up for an easier life? Women will always be around and need a man. some prefer older men, whereas your time to get your life sorted is usually in the younger years of your life – the older years are for capitalising on the effort you spent getting yourself established in those younger years. Do YOU have the time and inclination to want to be a human smartphone, which is what many women want these days, a clown for entertainment? And does this state of affairs REALLY benefit you?

I’m not saying game isn’t real or important – I’m saying too much value has been attached to an idea that has a declining return of investment in the modern era of post-feminism; time is energy/money and so it should be better spent on ways that will have a real and lasting benefit on you, including your interactions with women.

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Indeed. Time is the most valuable asset a man has. Nothing in the world can buy you lost time. Must be used wisely.

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Most PUA literature and Game is marketing. Of course lots of it is some what inspired by evolutionary psychology. And most of these insights are pretty solid. But there is also a lot of gimmicky crap in the literature.
And much of it wont work in your favor if it is not adjusted to you age, personality and your present conditions and ability.

But to understand many of the basic mechanics you really dont need much Game literature. Game is really just another word for the development of social skills, especially with regard to interacting with women as a man. This is why approaching and playing the numbers game is important.

Experience and developing an ability to adapt to the requirements of the present interaction is key to becoming well rounded and sealing the deal.
But do you really need alot of game literature to tell you that demonstrating value and showing some degree of selfconfidence is important? Personally I dont think so. One basic book is enough. The rest is really just trial and error in the field, and then perhaps studying some science as an occasional supplement.

Game in itself wont take you far if all the other highly valued aspects of a man are not in order. And much of the Game sessions which some of the gurus in the field sell, look like pure money grabs. They are simply cashing in on all the young gullible and insecure beta and omegas who havent yet acquired enough market value on the dating scene.

For any one who is acquainted with the management literature, The Game industry really bears alot of resemblance. Both fields are filled with scammers and conmen claiming to have the new improved formulas of success, since customers are willing to pay dearly for any shortcuts. And both fields are also plagued with much pseudoscience which it is really hard to verify or replicate.

So naturally it is best to keep a sceptical stance. The PUA industry is mainly there to make Money, Developing Things that work is of secondary importance. Since customers keep on coming in regardless.
They are simply not forced to make a product that is robust, perhaps this is simply not even possible.

Game can potentially improve your skils, but this is pretty much it. You cant fake all the other value inducing aspects in the long run. You still need some looks, status, wealth, connections, etc.

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Eventually no matter how good it is, your game won’t be enough – when was the last time you heard of a 60 year old guy with tight game doing successful street approaches on 20-something women? Sure, there’s exceptions like Ross Jeffries, but realistically most guys that age are happy to land a 40-something cougar (if the cougar knows what’s good for her). If a guy makes great money later in life it’s a lot easier, but there’s still risks such as gold digging, divorce, skewed peer group and social circle, etc.

There comes a time when you’ve got to move on with the next phase of your life, whatever that is. Find the RIGHT (non-American) girl, consider marriage (with an iron clad prenup!) and crank out the kids. You dont want to bw chasing a toddler with a walker and all your peers and wing men will have advanced, for better or worse, anyway. Unless you’re Rupert Murdock rich, it will be difficult to catch up later in life. Roosh needs to make some decisions here, and quickly.

This seems to be the fundamental problem with Roosh’s business model – once he “sells out” and finally settles with a hot, qualified and loyal Ukrainian woman, how will he continue his enterprise built on gaming, MGTOW, and independence?

Perhaps there’s a new chapter in his writing, maybe as the ultimate alpha father/husband/leader. Whatever it is, I can’t wait to read it.

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The only certainty in life is change. I’ve been upfront about my decrease involvement in game, and will continue to chronicle what happens to the aging player who still wants intimacy from desirable women.

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Roosh
When you were a young buck in DC how many approaches would you put in a week?

Gabriella Cravo e Canela
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Roosh, I think you need to get married. To a pretty woman. Like me.

Al Burk A Durk
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“a pretty woman. Like me.”

Codeword for 330lb north american cuntasaurus.

Gabriella Cravo e Canela
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Dude I’m the opposite of fat. I’m gorgeous.

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What’s wrong with hookers? I don’t mean the wham-bam-quickie variety most common in the west, but those who deliver an hour or three of friendly fun (focused on you, not her!) for some reasonable compensation? Plenty of those in Asia, but I bet there are some in other places.

At a certain age, that seems to be a much better deal than going out for scraps (and even with great game, at 50, one will only get scraps if aiming for under-35s, i.e. fertile women) in nightlife venues.

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If you’re gonna “Crank out the Kids” then the “Iron Clad Pre-Nup” is simply an iron-clad ATM card for 18 years.

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Yes I agree. The gaming lifestyle is mostly for guys below the age of 40 or so. Once you hit middleage at about 35-40, the lifestyle becomes alot less appealing.
You value security more highly. You are less willing to put up with bullshit, and Invest countless of hours just to secure the prized and pedestaled pussy. The chase simply becomes less interesting, especially if the woman is giving you a lot of shit.
Hell even many financially secure men would prefer to just pay hookers for an hour of sex and intimacy. Simply because time is precious and they have many other time consuming activities they must attend to.
And this is logical since the opportunity cost Associated with gaming becomes alot higher, since you have shorter time left on this earth, and you usually make more money at this point of your life compared to earlier stages.
Besides if you have any interest in forming a Family, now is probably the time to finally make it happen. In your fifties it is usually to late, so it is better to start acting when you are younger.
Family life is not well suited to the gaming lifstyle. There is a time and place for everything.

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You have to protect, provide or perform to get and keep the pussy. There is no other way.

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This post makes me want to work on lifestyle.

My work buddy know an old money trustfund guy in his 60’s banging a high 7 live in girlfriend that is 27yo.

A centrally located apartment or travel stories won’t make that happen.

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Roosh and everyone
How many approaches have you done your whole life?

I’m at 500 right now.

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Atrophy make be preferable to pursuing Americunts.

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Thanks for this article Roosh.

For the past couple months I have been having a really negative attitude towards women/game/approaches, etc. After a couple years of pretty solid success after reading your article ” Tips on Going to Bars Solo” at the age of 22, lately I have been just basically pissed off. Any type of BS a woman would give me lately, I would almost literally wanna back-hand slap her in the face.

I just gotta chill out though, and get back to seeing things how I was seeing them a couple years ago. Time for a reset.

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Take a break, miss women again, and then come back.

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Best tip ever: “In the case where a same day bang was not possible, I started asking for dates, not numbers, to decrease the time I wasted with bad prospects.” I have completely given up on american women with the exception of sultry milfs. Aside from that, it’s only foreign women for me. Currently having good success at the gym, in the sauna. It’s quiet, and you’re both almost naked. You gotta be cool though. Gyms tend to have far healthier women than clubs, which are magnets for smokers, compulsive drinkers and STDs

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Even at 30 I feel very slowed down. I approach less but get more of what I want with less effort. I make fewer mistakes. In December I was in Rio for a week. only did 15 or so approaches until I bagged a 9 only 3 days in. Now that I am back in the States I lost my motivation to go out and act like a clown to get attention from fat Midwestern hos who quite frankly don’t deserve me.

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“It’s important to check your game at least once a year for its effectiveness.”

At a minimum.

I believe checking one’s game frequently should be part of an overall preventative maintenance program. Complacency is one of man’s worst enemies.

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True. But once you’ve acquired your harem of regulars, the intermissions from rejection are pretty sweet.

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“fewer approaches” or “less approaching”, minor grammatical point

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I am 34 and I still have energy to approach in a day time and go out 3 times a week because I am passionate about the game. And other things that help not to fall into atrophy is to to eat well, rest and have bigger goals than just to get laid. http://www.newsocialcalibration.com

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Well put! I can’t agree more.

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So there is something called the Spaced Repetition Theory of Memory that applies here and really to any skill. The mind allows a certain amount of time to pass before you forget a particular skill, however if you return to that skill with some consistency that amount of time gets extended.

As a young man I learned very good B2B sales skills, I spent many hours a day practicing, now I spend maybe a few hours a month doing B2B sales, yet I’ve retained my skills because even though I don’t practice them a lot I do practice them consistently.

Some clever software engineers claim to have an algorithm that hacks this, it’s called SuperMemo if anyone is interested. I’m really not sure how you would apply it to learning and retaining ‘game’ but it definitely helped me to grt fluent in Spanish.

Check the image attached as it explains it better than I do…

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Quantity or quality, always a good debut whatever the subject. The truth is, both are good.

Al Burk A Durk
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Quality in Quantity is best.

What’s better than a 9? 9 more of them, lol.

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I traveled Europe as well a few years back, and like to think I have a very good flag count. There are some parts of Europe that are huge poosy paradises and normally around 3 women to 1 man. Having lived back in the US for a few years, and approaching 47, while not being that old, I do feel like I need to check my game fairly regularly. And with the amount of available women being a lot less where I live, I recently joined dating websites establishedmen.com & tempted.com and get lots of regular dates from gorgeous younger women.

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A timely post. I’m going through a rebuilbing period now after a long stretch of atrophy while I enjoyed the success of earlier work. Simply doing more approaches hasn’t worked. Now I’m looking at the words I use from the start, body language, style and sexual intent. Numbers come easily but they’ve been very flaky. Time to filter these girls harder and either attract a solid prospect from the start or move on to the next one.

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Upping my Test does wonders for my ability to tolerate girls shit.

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The whole reason many of us follow Roosh and the Manosphere is for self-improvement. Lifestyle Game is the new game. Be better in all aspects of your life: career, fitness, social interaction, education, travel, learning new languages, etc. Every guy has to adapt his game as he ages. Maybe this is fucking corny, but Roosh has inspired me to be a better man, and I’ve been getting laid and banging beautiful girls because of it. Hell, I’ve been to the Ukraine 3 times and Poland once all because my brother kept telling me about this Roosh guy and his books. 3 years and many bangs later, I’m going back to Ukraine in April-May 2015. I owe a lot of my success to Roosh and his books and his articles and this forum.

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You should have stayed in Ukraine, human waste. May be you’d be taking a missile hit in Donbass right now, good thing for the world.

Dani Gonzalez
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Hey Roosh, great post.

When you say: “I became much less tolerant of flakey and wishy-washy girls, moving on if they showed hints of disprespect early in the interaction.”

That confidence is actually an attraction trigger for women. Do you mean completely moving on to keep that spirit and maybe impress girls around, or just to show disinterest in case those girls react by becoming more attracted?