Don’t Make Trip Suggestions Before She Does

When you first meet a girl, it’s safe to suggest ideas for future dates based on things you have in common. But once you start dating her, you have to be very careful about throwing ideas for longer dates that could be considered trips, like a visit to Atlantic City, the beach, or some full-day excursion to a national park. This conveys heavy-duty interest and forces her to evaluate her power.

I’ve made this mistake twice. I thought things were going great, threw out a trip idea to the beach, and then watched the girl go cold on me. A somewhat recent example involved a very young girl who was on my large nutsack 24/7. She’d call or text me every day, sometimes asking if I missed her or telling me how much she was thinking about me. I relaxed my game and contacted her often too, slightly relieved that I didn’t have to play as hard as I normally do (but of course I didn’t get mushy on her).

Eventually I suggested a weekend trip to the beach. It’s not so much that I really wanted to go to the beach and that it’d be important for us, but it was a way to keep up with her and maintain the exciting momentum. She replied with “I don’t know,” and flaked on me the next date. The upper hand I did so well to maintain was lost in just a few words. I was disappointed with myself.

The proper move is to wait for her to suggest a trip first. Then when she does, say, “Maybe we can do that.” I already knew this, but there are times I get cocky and feel like I have enough experience to take a risk and break the rules. Sometimes it works out in my favor, but other times it doesn’t and I have to relearn something I already mastered. Experimentation is a double-edged sword best meant for girls you don’t care about keeping around for more than a couple bangs.

I don’t recommend you throw out trip (or even date) ideas after you already have sex with a girl. Whenever a girl suggests a trip to me, I think, “Cool she really likes me.” Don’t let her have that thought instead. Make her wonder if you see her as more than just a bang. Let her reveal her cards first in an attempt to get a look at yours. Being aloof and slightly cold pays off a lot more than showing you care.

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Mencia
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Tip2: Buy her flowers and candy to reward her every time she takes one for the team and spreads her legs for your hairy Turkish ass.

The Rookie
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In the first season of Seinfeld, George tells Jerry that the weekend trip is a horrible idea. Of course it ends badly for Jerry.

The not suggesting date ideas is key too. I know I lost one recently by showing too much interest. From now on, ice cold.

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And once you blow it, there’s no going back.

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Most def. I’ve always felt like asking a chick to go on a trip too soon is like the male equivalent of talking about marriage on the 1st date.

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Why the fuck are you PLANNING all-day trips with chicks you aren’t fucking?

Chump move.

Unless the trip involves your yacht or private jet, an all-day trip is overkill and marks the guy as a chump who’s willing to PUT UP ALL DAY LONG with some chick he doesn’t know shit about.

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not sure if i totally agree, but you make an interesting argument.

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Trips are a big step, but high risk high reward. Even after the first couple of bangs and she suggests it, she’ll look for reasons why it may not be a good idea.

Then again, if you can fire up that emotional roller coaster and plant that idea into her head with her thinking hse came up with it, you’re golden.

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Damn it I’ve already used this word once today but fuck it. I’m all about the Inception move when it comes to future planning or dates.

Simply mention that you’ve never done X or thinking about going to Y but you don’t know yet and don’t flat out ask her. Even the term, I want to get away.

If she’s feeling you she’ll repeat the thought and say, “we” should do that.

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I actually do this a lot, but I have no intention of ever doing it with them. Somehow suggesting a grand event you’ve planned ahead for with them sets them up to trip and fall by the time the event comes up. She’s already banged you for being a gentleman and you can act surprised like you don’t remember ever suggesting it by the time it comes around. It’s somewhat unethical and some tend to move on after this slight abuse.

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“I already knew this, but there are times I get cocky and feel like I have enough experience to take a risk and break the rules. Sometimes it works out in my favor, but other times it doesn’t”

I do the exact same thing.. Great post man

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Being aloof and slightly cold pays off a lot more than showing you care.

^^^sad but true, that’s why the Game is rigged. women/girls/bitches etc don’t respect what’s real, cause they use to phony shit that when they see something real they think it’s phony. That’s why it’s always “shit test” this and “shit test” that.

You think you got a easy fish when she calls you text you, and you waxed that ass once or twice. So you start relaxing, maybe giving her a glimpse of the “real” you, thinking instead of going for the safe 15 footer, you can go for the lazy hook shot, and then you air-ball it, you air ball a hook shoot (smh)

The game is rigged

simple as that

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Good advice.

“Experimentation is a double-edged sword best meant for girls you don’t care about keeping around for more than a couple bangs”

I always have to remind myself to strictly adhere to game principles when dealing with the girls I truly value. Not easy to do, but necessary.

I experiment with the others, and while there have been some interesting outcomes and I’ve learned some new things, the experiments always confirm that standard game is the way to go.

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On another note though, since when is going to the “beach” a trip? unless your going out of town or something….

I see what Roosh is saying but damn, is it that serious were chicks think it’s that deep?

“The game is rigged”

peace

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An interesting wrinkle but slightly off topic is if you meet a girl out of town (on business or something) and you can convince her to fly to see you since you weren’t able to seal the deal the first night. I’ve been able to pull this off a few times so far this year.

This requires serious game and major keeping her on ice… was able to finish the deal with a chick that somehow thought it was LESS skanky to fly cross country to bang a guy (within 15 minutes of her in my place after picking her up from the airport) than on a beach/waterfront hotel in Hawaii the night we met. Chicks are strange… why one must be strange and aloof and let her negative thoughts do the work for you. Silence can be a form of power.

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“Make her wonder if you see her as more than just a bang. Let her reveal her cards first in an attempt to get a look at yours. Being aloof and slightly cold pays off a lot more than showing you care.”

More Roosh advice than I need to staple to my forehead. Any guys under 30 reading this, *trust me*, what Roosh is saying is dead on. I was one of those suckers brainwashed by Peter Cetera into thinking that the dignified, classier move was to actually show interest, and that she would respond in kind, by falling in love with me, her chivalrous white night, and immediately showing her gratitude by getting on her and sucking me off — but NO, THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

Not once in my almost two decades of chasing girls did “the high road” ever work. Okay, maybe once, but I came with high social proof and the girl was in a slightly vulnerable situation — basically, a perfect storm — and I hung on to that pussy for dear life for over a year, petrified that some alpha dude would take it away — which is eventually essentially what happened.

DO NOT be the chivalrous guy. Chivalry is dead. Girls like assholes. Girls like assholes. Girls like mysterious assholes. Fuck Peter Cetera. Girls like assholes.

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Ummm, showing interest and suggesting trips work perfectly well if she’s actually genuinely into you. Trips are great bonding experiences and have the added benefit of showing you whether you truly like her or she bores you on extended exposure. I’ve won women by taking control and sweeping them off their feet with a whirlwind of travel.

Best not to root your “game” in insecurity and fear about whether a woman could ever be genuinely attracted to you. If she isn’t, if you can’t relax around her, then she’s not worth it. The best part of love is letting down your guard.

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Plus, the organizer/guide/leader role on trips is a power position.

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“I know I lost one recently by showing too much interest. From now on, ice cold.”

That happened to me lately, so frustrating…I better reread “Pimp” by iceberg slim.

However, though I agree with your post roosh…at what point should a man then take charge with planning things?
I mean if she is always the one suggesting things, wont the guy at the end be perceived as “boring”? or on a lesser note she will accept that this is only a sexual relationship and nothing more i.e. fuckbuddies.

the reason I ask this is cuz fuckbuddies seem to have a shorter shelf life.

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ah so it’s only the FIRST trip you mean.

however, I didn’t realize that going to the beach was such a big trip. in my home country going to the beach is not such a major event, I would have thought that its the same in brazil if you live next to a beach.

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in my experience living in DC, i don’t think going to the Delaware beaches with a new girl is that big of a trip, thereby taking your relationship to the next level…

i guess it depends on the type of girls you date, but shit only gets weird if you make it weird.

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“Hold on now I’m not saying don’t go on trips with a girl. Just let her bring it up the first trip suggestion. Then you can plan it out.

If you miscalculate a girl’s interest and suggest first, it could backfire. So to avoid the problem, don’t suggest first.”

@Roosh: Totally awesome point and one I’m going to have to remember. This post reminds me a lot of the way back when I learned the hard way about buying jewelry (total AFC move.) I bought this girl earrings and immediately lost her. My new rule is, if you’re going to buy a woman jewelry, the first piece you give her better be a ring.

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This may be so for American women, but did you try asking a girl on a trip in Colombia? I’m sure she’d have been super excited.
In poorer countries, girls can’t afford to travel on their own, and dream of a guy to invite them. That will give you a big boost – you are providing an enjoyable experience that she can’t otherwise have.

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#24 Stone, not sure about that. The notion that providing for a girl will tickle her gina and thus make her want to fuck you — that notion has been thoroughly debunked.

That sort of worked in earlier times, but no longer. Now, a girl does not want a provider. Or rather, she still does, but she wants to use him and not fuck him, and get her hot sweaty sex action from another man, a man who turns her on.

This is because providing for her shows supplication, which betrays lower value. And lower value does not turn a girl on — it turns her off.

Don’t get me wrong. She will get all excited and go on the trip with you. She just won’t fuck you.

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Yeah, so if you focus on converting girls who are in the “gray area” in regards to if they like you, you are going to have a much less enjoyable life overall.

The harder thing maybe (at least at the beginning) is to find and “activate” the girls who are actually into you without much in the way of coercion.

Anything that causes girls to reject you early on (for being “too interested” or whatever) is actually AWESOME in that it frees your time up for girls who will show you a much better time if you can only get to them.