Eastern European Women Become More Masculine In America

Previously I have written how Western culture—particularly American—is toxic to women, causing them to be more masculine. I have stumbled on a research paper written a few years ago that matches my conclusions.

East European Women and the Battle of the Sexes in American Culture (PDF) interviews Eastern European women who have immigrated to the United States. Let’s begin with an EE woman sharing her views on gender roles:

I won’t refuse to be a woman in any way. On the contrary, I insist to be treated in a certain way, and I think I deserve it. You cannot have a man walking next to me and I’m carrying something heavy, and he comes and asks me to carry it and I would say, “No, I’ll carry it, because you know, I wanna show you that I’m as strong as you.” Give me a break! Of course he will carry it. He is three hundred pounds more than me, he has muscles… And if he comes, boy I appreciate it! (Bulgaria, age 35, 6 years in the US).

Only when I got to EE have I begun opening doors for women and helping them put on their coats. If I did this in America I’d be deemed a weak man not worthy of sex, but in EE this is a prerequisite to getting sex. Being chivalrous actually helps me get laid.

Giving compliments to EE girls (even generic ones like “You have a nice smile”) go a long way into winning their hearts and vaginas:

Many women also miss compliments about their physical appearance, which are common and are not regarded as sexist in Eastern European.

In America, a compliment is sexual harassment. You’re a creep who deserves to be fired. You can’t say nice things about her hair, face, or clothing. Even if you don’t work with her, such a compliment will close her vagina faster than a Venus fly trap.

East European women feel that in the US gender lines are blurred and the behaviors of men and women are very similar to each other. They are not always able to distinguish between men and women based on appearance, manners, or conversation.

Women acting like men and men acting like women. Denmark called—they want their Jante Law back!

The reason you should not listen to American women talking about “gender roles” is that they are lacking in clear gender. Would you ask a chicken how it’s like to be a cow? You could, but you’d get a better answer if you ask the cow. To find out the characteristics of a woman—a real woman— you have to ask one. They exist in South America, Eastern Europe, and Southeast Asia, in case you’re wondering. Some men tell me that real American women exist in rural Southern areas, but I have not been able to confirm this.

Just because a human being has a vagina, it doesn’t mean she knows what a woman is, just like how the majority of American men have no idea what it’s like to be a man, assuming we define a man as someone who doesn’t sell out his gender and even himself for a chance at mediocre pussy.

What does American culture do to relationships? Let’s have a look:

Gender-neutral treatment “sterilizes” relationships between male and female colleagues, and as a result East Europeans often lose interest in interactions with American colleagues of the other sex.

If EE women have maintained what it means to be a normal human female, which is what I argue, and they are unable to have meaningful relationships with Americans, that means that Americans are sterile humans. The American culture is dehumanizing, emasculating, and defeminizing.

Here’s what the women think of your countrymen:

EE women perceive American men as less masculine than men in Eastern Europe.

And also:

“That’s why it’s hard for me to date [an American man], because I feel I have to be the man of the relationship.”

American men have become so pussified that the most feminine women in the world feel like men when dating them. In other words, American men act like women. And how do EE women view American women?

EE women perceive American women as more assertive than they are, and they feel that American women “try to be like men,” “boss men around” (Albania, age 22), “try to dominate a lot,” “dress like men” (Bulgaria, age 35), and “expect to be treated the same way as guys” (Hungary, age 23).

American men who travel think American women are masculine. EE women think American women are masculine. How long will it take for these masculine women to put mirrors up to their man jaw and realize what they’ve become?

Here’s another statement that echoes my thoughts:

Participants believe that promoting gender equality means giving up women’s femininity.

Whenever I bring up the topic of Eastern European women, the first thing an American woman will do is say they are eternally dominated by horrible men, that I’m personally taking advantage of them by being a sex tourist who preys on impoverished women that have no free will. They barely stop short of saying that most EE women are sex slaves. This is despite the fact that they’ve never stepped foot into Eastern Europe. What they’re implying is that EE women are stupid and blind to see the heavenly light that is gender androgyny, of women acting like men. The study addresses this:

EE women are repeatedly told that they are oppressed by men even if they do not feel that way, and they are reproached for their acceptance of politeness from men.

American women are ragging on EE women for accepting compliments and flirtations instead of marching into the Human Resources office and filing a nasty complaint. American women are so combative they even get into arguments with EE women:

“[The American woman] implied that I didn’t understand what American feminism was about. I think I perfectly understand. And the other thing that struck me was her aggressive attitude. We weren’t discussing at a point. She was patronizing. She was telling me that I don’t understand. And I think I do understand. And I backed up, and I thought it was not worth it, because she wasn’t listening to me.”

We have a name for that: the rationalization hamster. She held onto a view that was brainwashed into her from studying a useless major in college and now refuses to change it no matter what. She is even unable to discuss it like a normal adult. While women are not known to use logic like men, I can tell you from personal experience that EE women are much less blind to opposing evidence. An American woman would rather get knifed in her vagina than change her mind concerning gender issues.

I have claimed that foreign women will become less sensual and feminine after living in the United States. The paper confirms this:

As a result the women become cautious around American men and avoid the use of touch during conversation with men entirely…

They seek to avoid cultural misunderstandings by becoming more gender-neutral and more impersonal. One woman from Belarus describes checking the language of her emails five times before she sends them to American men in order to make sure that she does not sound too familiar, because earlier someone broke off contact with her, possibly for this reason. They also avoid touch, gender specific topics in conversation, and sometimes they avoid interacting with American men altogether.

So she touches less, treats all men like coworkers, and withdraws from meaningful interactions. Sound familiar? Do you think you’d be more or less happy interacting with a woman who has these frigid traits? But wait, there’s more:

Because people behave in a gender-neutral way in most public interactions in America, East European women feel that part of their feminine identity is invisible or has to be hidden. They dress is a more informal and less feminine way when they are with Americans, because when they do dress and behave “like an East European women,” other around them seem intimidated and interact with them less.

EE women have no choice but to dress less like a woman so that haters don’t try to isolate her. The reason is because American women don’t want to compete with a woman who, you know, looks like a woman. Even though American women know deep down inside that men like feminine women with long hair, heels, sexy clothing, and pleasing attitudes, they refuse to act that way because they’re lazy, entitled, and want to be valued solely for their hamster brain. Today’s American woman rather masculinize the entire culture of women by shaming feminine behavior and spreading fat-is-healthy propaganda than grow out her goddamn hair.

“I cannot appear in a way that I really am, naturally, because the expectation that you shouldn’t be too personal and you shouldn’t be too feminine.”

Femininity is punished in America, and all those women who step inside its borders will transform, ever so gradually, to men. The sad part is that this effect is only partly reversible. Whenever I meet an EE girl who acts masculine, I ask her if she has lived in America or Britain. Most of the time, the answer is yes. Even once back in her homeland, she keeps a lot of masculine habits. She was been infected with a virus that has no immediate cure.

In America, you are considered a slave if you go out of your way to please men. EE women don’t feel that way:

“I enjoy certain activities. Why I enjoy them, I don’t know. Their assumption is that if I do cooking every day, I necessarily do it because I’m pressured by my husband. On the contrary, I enjoy to cook for him, and my favorite part of the day is when I serve the meal and we sit next to each other and we talk. I’m not pushed to do it, I’m not pressured to do it, I do it with pleasure, and I don’t want to give it up.”

It’s hard to imagine an American woman cooking for her man every night, let alone once a week.

The kicker is that this paper was written in 2004. Would you say that in the past decade American women have become more or less masculine? Have their attitudes gotten better or worse? If anything, this paper grossly underestimates the damaging effects that American culture does to women.

I’m not happy that we let the feminists and the elite de-feminize women and make them more like men. But for every action there is a reaction, and they are getting their reaction—their pimp slap—right now, of growing numbers of men who refuse to go along with the gender equality bullshit of putting up with women who don’t act like women. We will shame women who act like men. We will make fun of fat whales. We will punish women who have masculine behaviors. They changed the culture, now it’s our turn to do the same.

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Take Alice out of wonderland and you get just a normal American gal in a white dress. The key is to marry one who has an internal moral compass in place and it will not happen.

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As always Roosh, you are epicness personified.

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I know for a fact that at least 104% of your readers entertain the notion of packing a bag and “rooshing” around the world for a while, or maybe permanently.

Could we maybe see a post on what it would cost to live the lifestyle we’ve grown familiar with on this blog? (Excluding extras like what you may or may not spend on cocaine and beard care products. Just a rough estimate of the basics, food, shelter, flights etc.)

I for one would be very interested, and I don’t think I’m alone in that.

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My experience tells me that the ‘rural’ rule could be applied all over the US. However, although it is more probable to find real women in rural parts of our country, not all of them will be ‘real women’ and probably not even a majority.

I met a real woman this weekend. She’s from a small Wisconsin town and is only 18. Caveat: Though her personality is very feminine, she’s still in HS so she wears hoodies and skater shoes. If I can get her to put on a little black dress and some heels she’d be excellent girlfriend material.

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Imagine this, a honest to goodness American woman replying. Yes, I am. Here’s the thing, I agree on many points in your blog. I’m from Maine and yes it is still part of the USA.
I just wanted to let you know that we (real women) are still here. I am the first to admit that I am overweight, and wear flats. I have always battled with the weight., Only able to get to “acceptable” when I had major surgery to remove my gall bladder. The heels are more because I am a klutz and it’s safer for everyone if I stay lower to the ground.
I am a stay at home mother of one. My husband is a stone mason. I love to cook for him every night. I own dresses, skirts and makeup for when we go out. My red hair is down to the middle of my back.
I personally can’t stand the”appropriate” version of how a woman is supposed to act now. I want my husband to open my doors, push my chair in and complement me. I also like him to make”passes” at me.
Just wanted to let you know that we are still out there.

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The scales fell off my eyes in 2006.

Once you’ve been to Eastern Europe everything else is shit.

There was a great pushback after the fall of communism which preached gender neutrality. Women wanted to be feminine again. I remember a conversation with one of my friends there who remarked how she liked the fact that men looked at her. She didn’t mind being objectified.

And the fact that Eastern European men view Western men as wusses is equally true.

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It’s not the feminists who punish femininity in America. It’s the men.

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Umm, how so? I can guarantee you I don’t, nor does any man I know. We love femininity. You’re way off

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While on a little Spanish island I met a girl who was from the Czech Republic. Was she the hottest girl I have ever been with? No, but still cute. The underlying attraction that I felt to her was undoubtedly due to her femininity.

Great blog Roosh-

I think the only thing us alphas can do is reward the feminine women that we come into contact with; and to do so in public in front of the she-man cows.

Girls in sweatpants and cut-off shirts get no attention from this guy, and they shouldn’t from you either. Ball is in our court boys…

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true, so true. I think honestly it’s ramped up massively in the past ten years. Maybe it’s because I was a kid in the 90s but it feels like there’s been a tangible increase in the bitchiness of women. Since the economy tanked, at least in my experience the bitch-factor has skyrocketed and even the most loyal betas are getting pretty fed up (assuming they haven’t simply left the dating market entirely). The most masculine and manly occupations–construction, manufacturing, the traditional “man jobs”–were hit and aren’t coming back. Combined with high youth unemployment and rising college costs that’s going to spell a backlash.

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There has been a recent influx of EE women into the UK and they are certainly more feminime. I have yet to meet overweight EE girl and I think the reason they all stay in good shape is that they seem to have a strong work ethic, and none of the entitlement complex.

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Preach it Moose! Good insight brother! -Chance

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Roosh, I found this post especially interesting because it essentially makes conscious the relatively unconscious process that American women go through, continuously.

American chicks do this more or less mindlessly, going along with the status quo. Younger American chicks have really never known anything else.

This is interesting because EE women are conscious of something else, and they complain, they give voice to the bullshit that is American feminism/cultural marxism.

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The more i internalize Game, the more i understand why it works for western girls.

It’s not just the compliments that cause havoc, but just a simple and innocent thing as looking at them causes them to act disinterested and disgusted.

So what’s a man to do? It’s obvious compliments and looking with interest has failed.

Over time, as my cockiness and indifference has developed and the more i’ve learned to behave this way with western women, the more they’re responding positively towards me.

It seems the more outspoken, open and unapologetic i am with my surroundings, the more attracted they are towards me. Maybe this is how we’re meant to behave as men after all. If this is what will cause balance between the sexes, then so be it.

[Roosh: As long as you understand that your success with American women will preclude you from success with EE feminine women. The answer is to consciously use different game depending on your target instead of having a default one-size-fits-all model.]

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This article reminds me too much of Roissy.

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“I’m not happy that we let the feminists and the elite de-feminize women and make them more like men. But for every action there is a reaction, and they are getting their reaction—their pimp slap—right now, of growing numbers of men who refuse to go along with the gender equality bullshit of putting up with women who don’t act like women. We will shame women who act like men. We will make fun of fat whales. We will punish women who have masculine behaviors. They changed the culture, now it’s our turn to do the same.”

Respectfully, WRONG.

Until the lawmakers stop passing all kinds of fucked up legislation that caters to the feminist demands we are screwed. Time for another civil war.

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I’ve got a theory that with the rise of weapons that don’t require physical strength, we get the rise of feminism.

This is because even an old lady can fire a gun that can kill, and a child can press button that could fire nuclear bomb.

Throughout the greater part of humanity, most weapons required more masculine physical traits in order to be used to the greatest effect.

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You forgot about the birth control pill. Men feel obsolete and unneeded in reproduction. Let us wait and see if the artificial womb will have the same effect on women.

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Great article well said and very poignant Roosh. Getting peer-reviewed on their ass and beating the feminist diatribe at her own agenda – brilliant work keep it up.

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I can’t imagine it’s gotten better.

Though we cannot make systemic changes, we can each as men realize that while the workplace is just a minefield, outside of that it is incumbent upon us to be the men that these women – the cows, not the chickens – want. I have no special love for EE,but I fully agree that they are far more in touch with what femininity is.

There are two kinds of these ‘masculinized’ American women. The ones that just use it as a way to filter the piece of shit man-boys whose balls haven’t dropped yet (though they’re already 40 and balding…) and those who are just rebels without a cause.

A good firm man who’s in touch with himself and his world around him can cure this problem, one woman at a time. The good news is that 95% of American men have no chance of propagating good genes; they’re the dregs, and they’ll end up with the dregs. Genetics used to be capable of handling this FOR us, but now we’ve fucked it up because the people most likely to have sex are least likely to reproduce. Ergo, nonalpha genetics are far more likely to propagate than alpha genetics.

I’m no scientist, but when we see the most fit and sexual men having copious sex with top- tier women and NOT reproducing, our species is in trouble.

The solution is simple: women need to be OK with cheating. Men need to either step up or accept that they need to raise the children of the men who fucked their wife.

evolution is much more clever than any of us. it’ll find a way.

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Women are OK with cheating. Society is shifting towards female serial monogamy or polygyny

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Think this:

Immigrants from EE are perceived as low-status servile trash in Western Europe and USA, therefore a guy born and bred in USA or Western Europe has a higher social value/standing/whatever in EE and is more likely to bang a girl there. You are the guy they saw on TV – simple as that 🙂 I dont think your game works that good in Italy or Spain, because girls there respect their identity and don’t want to leave their countries (contrary to most impoverished EE girls). Banging some easy girls from EE may be a great fun, but you definitely overvalue their super abilities and femininity.

– Lean body (=eats once a day, because cannot afford eating more). Going to a gym is not that common here as it is in WE.
– Likes to cook (cannot afford restaurants unless paid by a nice guy)
– Takes your compliments (however you will come off as a nice guy unless you are a foreigner)
– Language barrier. She will understand 300+ of your basic words and none of your Britishisms/Americanisms, you will apppear much much smarter/interesting and then you are.

Italian and Spanish (European) girls are much more feminine. Game does work in EE though.

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My Doctor is from eastern Europe and she now works in Canada. This Dr. is the most feminine lady I know. She is not the greatest looking woman but she consistently passes the boner test. And she passes strictly because of her femininity.

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Confirmation bias much, roosh? you’re a retard if you think a study based on a ridiculously small sample of 9 women means anything.

Women are the same wherever you go, the only difference is economic.

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and you should add: elsewhere TOO! It seems like the migration changes their attitudes, which in part is normal cause they have to mimic more masculine behavior (survival impulse) when going through tougher periods

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Top quality stuff. Hammer clean on nail head.

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Shamed into manliness by the sisterhood. Such a tragedy. The herd mentality run rampant.

People who think there may be a reversal in the future forget how much power “popular opinion” and the women on top have over average chicks, who then shame other girls to conform.

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Another great post Roosh! I leave for Medellin on Wednesday. Can’t wait! My extremely feminine paisa girlfriend will be waiting for me at the airport. I’m thinking of bringing her here. This post is giving me second thoughts. If she were to change her feminine ways and become americanized, i’d probably have to kill myself.

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Fact is despite being more “feminine” EE skanks are still jaded, self righteous princesses who will expect you buy her the Hermitage Museum. I say leave ’em to their back alley coat hanger abortions.

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Roosh im starting to wonder, do you have a “Game Block” or an “anti feminist” block or what is it ? or perhaps those are somehow overlapping ?

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@15 Soup
YOur rite, just, you still need men to invent those weapons. Even a monkey could fire them though, ur right.

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Roosh seems to be hung up on 1950s fashion. Personally, I couldn’t care less about skirts and hi heels.

I enjoy seeing women in tribal wear with tatoos & various special areas shaved & pierced. I see that all the time here in the USA.

Like these:

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/532295/532533.html

Have those styles made their way to Eastern Europe, I wonder?

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I’ve read you block about danish women..I’ll put in my ten cent in the form of “whats wrong with..”.

Whats wrong with danish women

1) They have by way of telepathy (they dont talk about this) decided that men are inferior and should be given no attention whatsoever. Giving any attention towards men is prohibited.
I’m not joking. If you walk up against a Danish Girl on the street and you try to eye contact her, she will almost always look 45 degrees to her left or right. Like , “omg, what an interresting peace of paper I just saw there, 45 degrees to my right”. They are like that. Can only receive, not give. It hurts them as well, but they would rather die or end up old and alone that to give any attention to the worthless species of man. Dont underestimate that: they will REALLY do that.
2) IF you are a good looking man, they will shun you. Who do you think you are ?
The best thing for a Danish Women is if you end up a 45 year old male without family or children. She will secretly gloat over this. Feminism worked.
3) If you are an ugly man, or just average, they will shun you. They will look at you and secretly gloat.

4) Talking to a Danish Girl is mostly one way traffic. She will never try to ease the conversation, it’s all on you. Anything else would be like admitting your a worthy human being.

5) A man must never date women under his age. 2-4 years is maximum limit. Everything else is pedophilia. Thats why you see so many guys 20+ with women 30+..
6) Women 35-45 are wonderful independent accomplished beings when they have no kids or family..they are allowed to date men in their twenties, but not the other way around. They will not allow you your one biological advantage, rather they will try to make it their own.

To meet a woman here you need to be the perfect age beta male..between 20-25, dressed up in black, most likely wearing a black hut gym suit and leather jacket, very smooth talking, never about what YOU want, but perhaps something about how the BZ movement is going (your pro that). You should be on welfare and against all normal society values like family and home. You shouldnt like your parents as well.
And never mind having a real job. That will make you a loser.

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@ 18 That Lithuanian Guy
You speak the truth. The rest of the Gentlemen here need to learn that women will try to immigrate to the West for a better life. As their lives improve in Eastern Europe and the effects of American or Western feminization come into their culture, they will be ruined like American and other Western women. Poverty and danger make women seek men for provision and protection. I’m an American Army veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan, and I can tell you feminism is less prevelent in Afghanistan because Afghanistan is much more poor and even more dangerous than Iraq. For as much as any Iraqi would improve the quality of their lives in many respects by moving to the USA, Afghans would improve their quality of lives by just as much in the same respects as moving to Iraq.

When women are well provisioned for and protected by the government or the government forcing individual men to do this through welfare, child support and alimony then you will see the real nature of women come out. South Korean women can get their own jobs and be supported by men when they divorce them through child support, and the divorce rate is 45% with women initiating the divorce 65% of the time. Welfare is limited there though. When I was there, all men said South Korean Women were more feminine than American and Canadian women. However the divorce rate between Korean women and foreign men was 55% which is more than the 50% American divorce rate. A White American man has less chance of divorce with a born and raised Asian-American woman than a born and raised Korean woman as the White American man and Asian American woman divorce rate is among the lowest in the country.

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@Soup
Web search: “the gun is civilization”

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Hey Roosh,
I am a sexy female who started reading PUA blogs circa 2006. Back then I was very masculine and could not handle male attention (stemming from when my close group of male friends almost raped me because I wore a skirt one day, when they were used to NOT seeing my legs. I almost arranged for them to be killed).

Anyway, after reading your blog (and that of woman-hater Heartiste/Roissy etc.), I’ve become a convert. Currently I am the ONLY female in my department who regularly skirts, dresses, heels AND keep my hair long. I used to hate cooking for men before, but now see it as a way of showing love. I smile a lot more now, and men always fall over themselves trying to open doors for me, stop their cars so I can cross the road, offer to carry heavy things for me, give me compliments about my hair, beauty etc.

And I always smile, graciously accept it and say a big thank you.

Quite frankly, I had no idea how masculine I had become until I read your blog. I have now permanently locked away all my jeans and trousers/pants away and make the effort to SHAVE or wax (dammit) so I can wear dresses and skirts all year round, even in the dead of winter when most women prefer to cover up and turn into hair monsters.

You’ve made me a happier woman Roosh. And the men I interact with are happier for it. Who doesn’t like seeing a pretty face at work everyday, even if you don’t have any sexual interest in them? It’s like admiring a beautiful flower, not something sexual.

Thanks man. Your hatred of masculine women made me see the light! I am now trying to convert my female colleague, although she thinks my mannerism is too “girly” and “vain”. I think she believes she gets more ‘respect’ from the men by looking like them.

Keep up the re-education of mankind Roosh.

A female fan.

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I think we talk way to much about feminism. It’s alright to kick the deal around with respect to long term relationship management, but honestly I don’t’ really give a shit about it. In fact I would like a lot more posts on the issue of long term relationship management since just about every guy who reads this blog has had his ass handed to him by a woman.

I want to talk about how to manage the attitude so that you can maximize the amount of pussy you get to stick your dick in. It’s cool to have a post once in a while on how to manage American women’s horrible attitude, but I’d like to get back to nuts and bolts game discussions.

Posts about text management. When to call. Openers. Negs. First date ideas. Alcohol management on dates. Escalation techniques. Isolation techniques. Last minute resistance issues. More opener discussions. More ramble discussions. I think all men struggle with the issue of rambling after the opener.

All these topics would be much more beneficial in helping me get my dick wet then sitting around talking about stupid ass feminism. It’s a tired subject among the manosphere.

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@18 Lithuanian Guy and -definitely @30 doclove (who I hope isn’t “The Doclove” otherwise Baby Jesus Wept)–

REAAALLLLYYYY? Are you all drunk? I have some things in common with Roosh in only one way. I didn’t have to leave the States to focus on EE women to the exclusion of all others. I dated one and my mind was forever poisoned by their charms and femininity. “Lower status” gives me the LULZ. If you are a beta male White Knight faggot, maybe. If you are an alpha male whose Eyes are Open, particularly in DC, surrounded by a sea of frumpy DC Fraus. With their uber sexy three degrees, their lack of hindrance of caloric intake, their awesome lack of makeup or fashion sense, and well… fuck. You get it. EEs light up a room upon entrance and it has fuck all to do with “lack of food”. That actually makes me think Lithuanian dude is full of shit entirely. Few EEs lack the most basic substinence living the way that let us say, sub-Saharan Africans do.

They are strong-willed, for certain, but vulnerable and feminine under this too. Strong willed is not a negative trait here like it is with US (DC Fraus particularly) women. They are faux “strong” they come from a nice fat, lazy, nanny state culture full of “strong, independent, empowered” women. They would curl up and fucking die in just a few scant minutes if they had to see what the rest of reality outside of the Western world has to offer. Seeking out the first strong cock that could fend off the ravenous hordes. I pray for the destruction of the West nightly, it would right this ship in a way that few other things would.

My longest term girlfriends recently- Hungarian, Ukranian, Russian. Different cultures, similar story. And every single place I took them in DC the reaction from my friends spoke volumes- ‘Holy shit they are really hot and friendly.’ Yeah, its like that…

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Openers. Negs. Boring. That stuff is a tired subject. It’s all a state of mind and getting the state of the current female mind in America straight will help you more than regurgitating some line you read on a website.

As for EE women. Living in London has shown me it is all economic. Women from EE think they hit a gold mine here. They can get men to buy them expensive stuff and treat them like gold just by maintaining their “feminine” traits that mean they deserve it. They can cook one nice meal and expect a lifetime worth of financial benefits in return. Now these are the ones that have been here a while.

Don’t kid yourselves though. Another 20 years and EE women will be on the path to what we know of western women. It’s already starting. They are aware how they have the upper hand on their western female counterparts and they will use this for material gain. Over rated.

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We will all have to go to Thailand then

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I will add though that right now yes, EE women are a way better option than in North America. Just keep in mind they aren’t all perfect. It is economically driven too. Just look at the reputation of Russian women in London. They are terrible. I’ve seen it first hand countless times.

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Kid in a candy store for the first time?

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@36 Apocalypseman- Use your brain son. Yes, I had a Russian girlfriend. However, I met a couple of other Russian women that were the ruthless mercenaries described in all parts of the world. Looking to collar a rich western meal ticket. My experience, directly and thusly, works in a dual mode.

1) Your eyes, use them. If she is down for the EE Gold Digger game, she has precious little time to waste, this will manifest sooner, rather than later.

2) And I cannot stress this enough, time spent in the West is the biggest factor of all. My Hungarian GF was 10 years in the States, and it saturated her being. She wasn’t -quite- the feminazi cunt that the modern Westerner is, but she was headed there, to be sure. Russian, 5 years, not a mercenary and far less indoctrinated. The Ukranian less than 3 years, let us qualify this as “Fresh off the Boat” (FOB), more or less. This one was a pure example hotter than hot, highly approachable. But, I have no illusions in my world, the more time she spends amongst the Herd, the more absurd she will become. It is the way of things…

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#3

As a freelance editor, I traveled around the world for 3 years, from 2008-2010. Staying in hostels, I was burning through a minimum of $NZ 2500/month in the 1st world (thats about $US 2000/month). You need this minimum for traveling around 1st world countries, but for other countries you can get by on less.

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This is spot on. If I had a nickel for every time I heard an American chick trash talk an EE girl, I’d be rich.

I don’t view most American females as really being women, especially in the workplace. Everyone in the office is a man until proven otherwise. I speak to and treat everyone as if they were male, completely professional. On rare occasions, I feel a feminine vibe in the office and I react accordingly.

The American culture is dehumanizing, emasculating, and defeminizing.

That diagnosis sounds right. By denying natural gender roles, American culture makes us less than complete humans.

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Jay in DC – love the Internet toughie attitude.

Anyways, I appreciate an American telling someone who lives in Europe what to look for. Please.

EE women aren’t all perfect. That said I won’t put up with a girl for more than a few sentences that doesn’t exhibit feminine traits.

Been a while since I’ve been back home so it’s easy to forget the garbage there. But I don’t find English women nearly as bad as Americans or Canadians so I’m not as hell bent on the eastern euro bandwagon. Basically the only euro chicks I can’t stand in bunches are Scandinavian and Russian. The latter is a different experience in London than in their native Russia no doubt.

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The longest feminine women remain “women” in the West are Asian females. The probably never change or just a little. The only problem, so to speak, is narrow eyes of your possible children. But may be it`s really worth it???
Russian girls of nice clean type rarely make it to America, they stay back home. So the types you are dealing with are of worse half, so imagine now for a second, if you really into those, what Russian girls are like in Russia? Pure gold.

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The main problem with America is that it’s a culture not based on nature.

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Sounds to be like it’s just the different economic environments – EE is poorer, this seems to lead to Beta Providers being more popular with women. Put the same women in a richer environment, this seems to encourage a switch to a demand for Alphas.

Resource Poor >>> Trigger a female demand for Beta
Resource Rich >>> Triggers female hypergamy, preference for Alpha

Could be as simple as that, with feminism just a red herring here.

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Well put. I’m dating a girl not that way but her friends are. They try to shit test me and I stand strong. But I like being mean and nice to women so I take it in stride but only because I’m in the know thanks to guys like Roosh who will lead us to victory

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There was this Bulgarian butter face at my old job. She wasn’t much in the face dept but what a body and such a sexy feminine attitude. And she was 42! Every guy who meet her was drawn to her like flies to Arabs. But the americanized ugly latina Co workers hatred her with the exception of a few south American cute motherly types. The manly Dominican and dikey ghetto girls absolutely hated and defiantly felt threatened her. And with good reason there was allot of nepotism in that place. Meaning that those girls for there men jobs there, and one can tell that she was distracting. They in essence tried to sabotage her and united to try and get her out and would have succeeded had the company not moved to the POS nearby state that she d refused to relocate to (unlike the rest of us).
Anyway the female MANager was doing all that she could remove “distracting threat”and take away the only thing worth going to that hellhole for. Ever since she left, with a few exceptions, that place became so ago depressing that

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I honestly wanted to beat those heffers to a thick sauce. Bitches! Btw that were right to feel threatened by her since she slept with the leader of the”smear Severina” campaign’s husband, and yourstruly of course. Though it pissed me off,I could under stand her passive aggressive vengeance. BTW, I hate touch screens! Things took forever to write! I mean wassup with that?

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@ Roosh:
ABSOLUTELY phenomenal article.
I’m dating a country girl, from a small town of 600 people in Kentucky, and shes ultra feminine, sweet, and girlish. We read your blog together, and she pretty much agrees with almost everything you have to say, and not to make me happy, but because she really feels these things herself.

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I deeply apologize for the grammar. I am not yet used to touch screens yet and hance a risidual beta impatience. No computer by the way still in the process off”becoming”. Very anxious when I write. Any way the latina women in NY in the last 10or 15 years have become royally worse than American women. And with no wonder since they I’d’ve in close vicinity to THEE most manly and cunty of all women the American black bulldike. They are in the zone with converting got young sexy latinas into one old them. Black men keep your women happy and satisfied so that these latifah looking bitches

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Continued…So that these ugly queen latifah looking bitches don’t stand a chan DAMN EFING TOUCHSCREEN! What. No spell check or auto correct? I Miss my blackberry! I am normally so articulate! Ugh!

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I mean tattoos. They all have tattoos now and they think that is sexy! And these Bitch ass ghetto omega men always complimenting them left and right? I mean wassup with that? They say the phrase Ma’ nigah alot. I mean seriously. And the men like this. Kissing they’re hairy manly asses.
There is nothing more unattractive and aggravating than a woman with tattoos who constantly says ma’ nigah!