Feminism Destroys Men?

I’m going to assume that the author of How Feminism Destroyed Real Men has not been destroyed by feminism since his pictured wife is not a feminist (her hair is really long).

One day [women will] realise how dull and unfulfilling it is to have a man who doesn’t answer back, who offers no challenge or danger – but by then she’ll be over the hill and stuck with him for fear of being left on the shelf. Sadly, this is the state of many marriages today.

Back in the Nineties, emboldened by the successes of feminism, women sought to slay the dragon of patriarchy by turning men into ridiculous cissies who would cry with them through chick-flicks and then cook up a decent lasagne.

Sorry Nirpal, but I disagree with you here. The fault of being a beta male rests solely on the beta male. It is impossible to grow up and not observe the differences between alpha and beta male behavior, and how the lifestyle of one is clearly better than the other. It would be great if every man was born an alpha, but it really isn’t that hard to dump beta qualities like a bad habit and tack on the correct alpha ones. It just takes time and commitment. Blaming women for being beta is the same as a mother blaming her four-year-old for being spoiled when she is the one spoiling it. If you have the control to change things but don’t take the necessary steps to do so, you deserve nothing.

Nirpal gets it right in other places, but the fact that he’s married at what seems to be a young age makes me wonder if he’s had enough spinster experience to be an authority on this matter. His message boils down to “Be a dick” and “Don’t listen to what a woman says.”

But having ticked off the various items on their life checklist, women are left with a nagging sense of dissatisfaction. Where was the drama? Where was the passion? Where was the stimulation and growth?

It was all forsaken for an anodyne, materialistic shopping spree that is a Good Thing, ultimately a poor substitute for a real life. These women consider themselves to be alpha-females, but they are nothing but a pathetic sham.

The best part:

Last Christmas, my wife threw me out after discovering I’d been cheating on her. On the night we got back together, I made strong, passionate love to her. Unfaithful as I’d been, I was not going to let her have me over a barrel for the rest of our marriage. I needed to keep a sense of self and not allow her to mire me in guilt and a desperate quest of forgiveness.

I needed to let her know what she would be missing if we broke up for ever. I gave her a manful bravura performance that night, and at the height of her passion, I asked her: ‘Who’s the boss?

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I’m tempted to call out bullshit but I really want this story to be true. I can picture what he said to his wife when she caught him: “But I’m doing this for you! For us! This drama gives our marriage stimulation and growth!” And note the “I’d been,” which implies continuous and ongoing cheating instead of a one-time slip. He’s not alpha for cheating, but he is alpha for publishing that fact in a major publication that includes his wife’s full name and picture. She is so seduced by his alphaness that she doesn’t mind the world knowing he likes to fuck around. For that he is Alpha Male Of The Month runner-up.

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Sweat P.
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This shit doesn’t make him alpha, it makes his wife beta. Seriously, why would a strong woman put up with a man who cheated on her repeatedly, only to beat his chest about it in some bullshit article? (Although I respect the balls it took for him to do that.)

The solution to the pussification of men is not to become a complete dickhead. There is a middle ground there.

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I think you’re wrong about this one, Roosh. The US has passed a myriad of laws that illegalize or stigmatize Alpha behavior. These would be laws that define even arguing with a woman as “violence against women.” And virtually everything you say to women in the workplace can be construed as “harrassment.” Ever been to a college seminar on sexual behaviors and see all men defined as “potential rapists?” Did you see the mob mentality in the Duke non-rape case? All this has forced men into Beta behavior.

Example: Did you know that the reason the Duke -fakerape accuser’s story was never questioned was that it is illegal to ask an accuser to submit to a polygraph because of the Violence Against Women Act? That means any accusation is taken as true, whether it is or not. And if it is false, well, no charges are pressed. This is an Orwellian world. We grew up in a different one, but this is the world in which boys are coming of age.

I think there are reasons you are leaving the country. And while the above reasons — and many like it — may not be directly related, my guess is they are peripherally related. Women’s Studies majors graduate and have to go somewhere. Since there is no real use for their hate-mongering in the economic scheme of things, they go to DC and enact anti-male laws, largely illegalizing Alpha behavior.

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i can write a dissertation on how this has absolutely nothing to do with relationships and there is no such thing as a real alpha male.

instead i’ll just write this:
many women fall in love with men because of “alpha qualities”, these end up being a false front for something else. real alphas are not assholes- they can get what they want and also make their women happy. it takes a real man to do that, and any man who only looks out for himself is worthless, an omega, if you will.

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of course, only a woman could draw this conclusion

women should live for themselves
they should be made happy by men
but
men living for themselves are worthless

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“since his pictured wife is not a feminist (her hair is really long)”

Are you kidding me? I can have great boobs and long hair and still be a feminist. Not all feminists are butch lesbians.

While I do agree that some women go overboard with the whole feminism thing, most of us just want to be recognized as intelligent, capable, contributing members of society who just happen to have a nice ass.

I agree with Sweat P.’s comment that the wife is a beta. No one should let anyone walk all over them, man or woman. Being Alpha does not mean being a dick.

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this is a classic article.

it’s not so much that feminism actively destroyed men but that men (and i use the term loosely) willingly acceded to the demands of feminism thinking it would score them more pussy and/or raise their status. the PC juggernaut of the last 40 years, of which feminism is an unholy pillar, is best understood as a white within-group status game separating those with the “right” moral posturing from the philistines.

once the wheels were in motion even alpha males were left at the mercy of the new paradigm.

“But I’m doing this for you! For us!”

in a way, he is. i think the most eye-opening thing i’ve read about the differences between the sexes came from the book ‘what women want – what men want’. in it, the author cited a study showing that the majority of women would prefer to be the second wife or mistress of an alpha male than the only wife of a beta.
really, that sez it all.

dba:
“Did you see the mob mentality in the Duke non-rape case? All this has forced men into Beta behavior.”

tom wolfe saw it 20 years ago in bonfire of the vanities.

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Quite a bit to digest from this wanna-be Lothario, I must say! But I have to say, for personal reasons and my own pre-alpha male days, this part of his ranting resonated with me strongly:

“I needed to keep a sense of self and not allow her to mire me in guilt and a desperate quest of forgiveness.”

This was one of the last shackles I had to break to escape beta mold, it’s a horribly pernicious perspective a guy can have towards a former flame that keeps him emotionally tethered to the worst of the lot. Thank God I was able to grab this emotion by the throat, choke all the life out of it, and learn to tell certain girls to fuck off b/c I finally learned that the alpha male ALWAYS has options. And if there are no girls immediately around who spark his interest, he goes out there and he makes it fucking happen. Yeah baby!

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I laughed out loud in my cubicle after reading that second passage. :american:

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I gave her a manful bravura performance that night, and at the height of her passion, I asked her: ‘Who’s the boss?‘

Ok, that is the greatest line ev-er. Personally, I am partial to ‘Who’s my bitch?’ at the height of my passion..

‘Who’s the boss?’ would have made me answer ‘Tony Danza!’ 😉

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Kayla, that’s exactly what I thought! It certainly woulda snapped me out of the throes…

Sad that feminism is a whipping boy for bad personal, individual decisions by both women and men…

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Hahahaha kayla. That made me laugh.

Ugh. -shakes head-

I do like that you put the blame for weak men on the weak men and not the women, though. Bravo for that!

That woman must have zero self- esteem for staying with him. Good grief.

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Good post, as always. I have 2 things to point out about the guy in the book 1. its a little too black and white of a breakdown – if he is so playalicious, why is he married? is he not confident enough in his alphaness to do what he wants w/ out putting 1/2 his paycheck on the line? and how attached is he to the roylaties from the book, which will probably stand up in family law court ….etc., 2. One could argue that he is seriousely confusing terminology – he found sub, to complete his dom, and he calls it normal alfa man beta woman(?) relationship…
Subjectively of course, its a great story 🙂

K & J im w/ u guys on Tony Danza 🙂

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I don’t konw if feminism has destroyed the “alpha” man, but it certainly has led to a skyrocketing divorce rate. (near 50%). Husbands cheating on their wives is nothing new– women just don’t have to put up with that bullshit anymore. This guy can go ahead and beat his chest and proclaim what a real man he is, but I highly suspect that other men who do the same thing will find themselves being served with divorce papers in the near future.

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IIRC Roosh pointed out in a post awhile ago that if you see an Indian guy with a white girl he probably has game. Nirpal is Indian and Liz is white…

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I’m stuck on “a manful bravura performance.”

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The guy is from england, so I don’t know if the English women have caught up with feminism BS as much as American women. Also, the Indian and White thing in England is a not big deal. European women in general are more open to interracial dating/marriage than American women. I have found Europeans to be more friendly and approachable than Americans. It’s sad that most Americans still live in tribes.

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I disagree with “It would be great if every man was born an alpha, but it really isn’t that hard to dump beta qualities like a bad habit and tack on the correct alpha ones.”

Alphas are really 10% or so of all men, and if the everyone built up their qualities, it would take even more to be a real alpha, and the inferior men would still be betas.

A man smarter than me put it as “The number of vacancies on hierarchical Olypmus is limited by default and does not depend on average ranking potential. In other words, increasing ranking potential of all beings in the group the number of high-ranking beings will not increase. The same hierarchy will be formed but probably even tougher and more aggressive.”

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I think broken arrows had a poignant line. “I think you’re wrong about this one, Roosh. The US has passed a myriad of laws that illegalize or stigmatize Alpha behavior.” That is the point woman only have power in the U.S. because the law gives them power. In countries where there are no laws that cater to woman, life is a much different playing field. Jo said,”While I do agree that some women go overboard with the whole feminism thing, most of us just want to be recognized as intelligent, capable, contributing members of society who just happen to have a nice ass.” The problem is woman are already recognized automatically as haveing the nice ass. What has happened is that they still have the nice ass and also the full backing of the law. As far as I have seen with woman workers. You can take them all out of the equation in one day and the business doesn’t skip a beat. The only loss is that the people above them don’t have any females to have sex with. They don’t gravitate towards positions of responsibility. They have no responsibility for anything really and in that is why it doesn’t matter if they come to work or not. We are not in a free country. You cannot make choices where the government does not step in and make you give up money. Talking about alpha males is a joke. All the dumb alpha males are paying child support to between 2 and 3 different woman.

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listen to track #2 and track #3. they’re both pretty good.

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thats awesome. I love it.

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Gunslinger, are you implying that women provide no productivity to the economy and thus would have no impact if they exited the labor force en masse? That would be a 46% reduction in the number of people working so are your observations based on facts or are you just pulling shit out of your ass. I don’t see how one can counter the ignorance of feminism with more ignorance.

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: He’s not alpha for cheating

He IS alpha for cheating.
Alphas do not follow the moral rules of the society. They set moral rules for themselves – and, in most cases, for the society as well.

By the Nature definition, an alpha male is a breeder. His biological role is basically to impregnate as many females as possible to provide them with the best genes, and ensure the survival of the species. You’ll never see a chimp alpha male being “faithful” for any of females he fucks. As we origin from monkeys, and share the same behavior partners (which has been confirmed by scientist despite what Christians say), THAT is typical alpha behavior.

Obviously the society does not like this type of behavior. The reason is that betas make major part of society, and they are scared by the demonstration of alpha behavior. The religion also plays major role here, as a force trying to control every aspect of human sexuality. But those rules are artifical, and real alphas just ignore them. And that’s what the society hates them for.

You still read insteading of writing a “go [email protected] yourself” reply? Here’s one more to drive you forward: IF YOU NEED TO PLAY A GAME, YOU ARE NOT ALPHA. You are trying to EMULATE alpha. Note that there is nothing wrong with it, and the game emulation really works – depending on how good you are in this emulation. Just to make it clear – alphas do not play games. They do not need games, their force is Nature, not a game.

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Yes DF that is what I am saying. If all woman where removed from my area of the labor force not much would change. If they were removed from all the areas I have ever worked not much would change. Jobs are created so that there are jobs for woman. There would just be less spent on the economy. House prices would more than likely go down.

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You Prick.

Yeah, thats right, go right ahead and put the effeminate, good-natured ‘inferior’ beta males in their unfortunate place…at the bottom…where you and the rest of this stupid society believe them to belong.

Oh don’t worry the type of men this world idolises, always come out on top, whilst the alphas endure bullying, isolation and, general ridicule. …I hope you enjoy that when it happens….