Fuck Speed

The fastest way to fuck a girl is to meet her at night. If you start talking to her around midnight, it’s not too difficult to be pumping her main hole by 4am. Even if you only get a kiss, you could fuck her the next time you see her without much resistance. (Not getting at least kisses at night? Then stick to day game—you’ll get flaked less).

Thankfully we live in a culture where women are happy to lower their value by spreading their legs at a rate that any elderly woman would find horrifying and repulsive (well, there is one exception). This is where I go along with the feminist party line. There is no such thing as a slut! A girl shouldn’t feel guilty for fucking a hairy beast like myself in two hours! Today’s woman is liberated!

Truth is females will naturally price their pussies at its true market value, so what we expect is for low-value American women to put out at hyper warp speed. And this is what we see in the field. Women are so insecure about a man putting future investment into them that they rationalize slutty behavior as saying, “Well, I should at least be able to get laid. I haven’t gotten any in a month!” Horrible mindset for society, great mindset for horny yeti’s like myself.

A two-hour fuck time is unlikely to happen during the day. While same-day banging is possible, the more likely outcome from a daytime meet is a phone number after 5-30 minutes of chat. This means your dating trajectory will be slower.

Typical Nighttime Dating Trajectory
Meet: Kiss and light petting.
Date 1: Drinks at a bar. Bang.

Typical Daytime Dating Trajectory
Meet: Number exchange.
Date 1 (weekday): Drinks at a bar. Kiss and light petting.
Date 2: Drinks at a bar or light fare like sushi. Bang.

As you can see, day game requires at least one extra date. This is where I remind you that the three-date rule is obsolete. Five years ago it was a good timeline to get sex, but today’s model of woman is extremely filthy, to the point where three dates is like using dial-up internet. If you are patiently waiting for three dates to get sex, there’s a good chance you’re a sucker, especially if you’re based in a big city.

Now take a look at my dating trajectory:

Roosh’s Typical Nighttime Dating Trajectory
Meet: Bang.
Date 1: Bang. Lose interest.

Roosh’s Typical Daytime Dating Trajectory
Meet: Number exchange.
Date 1 (weekday): Drinks at a bar. Kiss and light petting.
Date 2: Drinks at a bar or light fare like sushi. Bang. Lose interest. Dream about Brazil. Whine on internet.

I haven’t been able to shorten the time to bang for day game. One shortcut you may be thinking of is to schedule the first date on a weekend, but that’s a risky move because it could be perceived as strong interest (i.e. needy). Plus most girls who have only talked to you for less than 30 minutes are not ready to dedicate a weekend night to you, unless she’s ugly, desperate, or has no life of her own.

A better option is to prolong the meet, but logistics are rarely favorable to do that. The one big downside of day game is that it takes longer to fuck. While you need less game to get day numbers, you have to have decent dating game since that’s where you’ll be spending most of your time with her.

I don’t like one-size-fits-all models that try to predict when to go for the bang, but for guys with average game, you should be able to hit the date after you kiss her. The exception is if alcohol is involved during the meet, which helps explain the one-night stand. (Side observation: In the history of the universe I doubt any guy has pulled a one-night stand with the designated driver)

The newbie gamer should stick with day approaching, since he can have initial success (phone numbers) with weaker game. It also allows him to tighten his date game, which is something he’s always going to need. Once the newbie gamer gets laid from day approaching, he can begin to mash together his meeting and dating game into a bar game hybrid where he goes for the one-night stand. If you get good with night game first, you’ll find day game to be too slow, and only work on if you get tired of going out at night, or if you’re in a country that doesn’t have a nighttime pick-up culture.

While I like day game in that I meet a more diverse group of girls who are less likely to flake and have crab-infested vaginas, night game will continue to be my bread and butter until I’m the old guy in the bar. I know of no other way that I can have a girl in my bed so quickly with such little effort. Even in countries where one-night stands are harder to come by, like Colombia and Brazil, it’s still the easiest way to get laid.

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I think a lot of it it is just pure luck. You need to game the right girl at the right time at the right place.

She needs to be either in a dry spell in a rock relationship or just broke up with her boyfriend.

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Fastest place for a pick-up is a wedding, hands down.

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I personally know a girl who has banged a guy as a one night stand when she was acting as a designated driver. So I presume there’s also a guy who has done the same. smile

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<– revises his strategy from being the old man at the bar to being the old man at the coffee shop / bookstore / street corner

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I like most of what Roosh posts, but I think he can do better on this one – it seems to me this is some of the PUA Guru magic pill that you can fuck any girl the same night – it certainly sells books and if it’s true for you, great, however my perception of my own reality is a little bit different:

It’s about calibration. When I was less calibrated, I had a 5 day machine: if a girl came out on 5 dates, I would be fucking her. That slowly whittled down to what he describes 1-2 dates, but it requires so much effort (perfect gaming, saying exactly the right thing), and if you are running social circle game – it can go either way in terms of helping your reputation or hurting it. If I game her good enough, with minimal work – e.g. just being me without thinking about game at all, it might take an extra date or two. Effort vs. time.

I prefer to let girls take as long as they want to fuck me, but I don’t stop the train for anybody – I’m working on other girls in parallel and fucking them in 1-5 dates while waiting for a girl to decide to ride the F-train. The downside is that if I lose all my girls at once, it takes a few weeks to get the train going again.

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Keep up the innovation. You already gave us the cost-per-notch and the flag metric. Now fuck speed. Your scientific training is paying off.

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“While I like day game in that I meet a more diverse group of girls who are less likely to flake and have crab-infested vaginas, night game will continue to be my bread and butter until I’m the old guy in the bar.”

How old is “old guy at the bar”?

I guess it depends on the venue. At college bars, “old guy at the bar” might be any guy older than his early 30’s. At other more refined bars, any guy 50 or older would be the “old guy at the bar.” That is why I can’t envision myself continuing “picking up” permanently.

No doubt there will be some wag on here who will say “age is not an issue for me. I gets tons of young ass and I am 55…blah, blah, blah,…” However, when you are more than 10-15 years older than the next oldest person at a certain venue, it becomes hard to relate to anybody since they are all so much younger than you. Hell, a large enough age gap and they could have been your children!

I guess my question is this: Roosh, do you plan on becoming the “old guy at the bar” or do you see yourself eventually settling down?

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No doubt there will be some wag on here who will say “age is not an issue for me. I gets tons of young ass and I am 55…blah, blah, blah,…”

For some odd reason, I PREDICT in 10 years there will be TONS of Internet PUAGs touting “YOU CAN Bang Hotties at age 40!”

Call me clairvoyant.

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“How old is “old guy at the bar”?

I guess it depends on the venue.”

Yes. And it depends on the city. You will see older cats at in more “mature cities” (LA, SF, NYC) doing fine at Restaurants and Lounges. Of course these guys have heavy scratch.

I would guess if you are in a college type town the “older guy at the bar” would be pretty young.

The older you get, you simply have to change the venues to things like Art Gallery openings, dope restaurants with bars, the Equestrian world etc.

“it requires so much effort (perfect gaming, saying exactly the right thing)”

Keep the wine glasses full. It will make things easier on you.

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I’ve already been following the advice to concentrate on day game as a beginner, with a little bit of internet to work on my date skills.

At this point I’ve had a good amount of success getting lays from coffee shops, bookstores and parks, but so far none with street stops. After two months I only got my first number two weeks ago using Krauser’s method, but it was a flake.

My problem is I’m not finding enough quality girls on the street to get as much practice as I want. I set out to approach ten in an afternoon and I get three. I’ve tried to lower my standards and approach uggos for practice, but I can’t get enthusiastic for them.

I live in a big city, but it’s too spread out to have a lot of pedestrian; only in a few spots really.

Can you think of anywhere I can go to find more targets? Or should I just start switching to night game to rack up more approaches?

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Re: “Old guy at the bar.” It depends on how you look.

I take great care of my skin. Always wear sunscreen. I exfoliate, and I’m about to get some Botox done to prevent some lines that are forming in my forehead.

When women ask my age, I ask them, “How old do you think I am.”

Girls in their late teens and early 20s give everything from 23-27.

I am actually 33.

Am I the old guy at the bar?

If you’re white, wear your sunscreen – every day. My a.m. moisturizing has a sunscreen. Moisturize thrice daily. At night, use Retin-A.

(I also color my hair with Just For Men, which works wonderfully.)

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“For some odd reason, I PREDICT in 10 years there will be TONS of Internet PUAGs touting ‘YOU CAN Bang Hotties at age 40!'”

My best friend is 39. He can still pull crazy ass, as he has a muscular body and has taken care of his skin.

Game underplays looks. If you hit the gym, eat right, don’t smoke, and take care of your skin….You can still put hot ass at 40.

Problem if, you have to think of this stuff before you turn 40. If you’re a wrinkled fat fuck at 40, it’s too late to pull the hottest ass. (With a gym pass, some steroids, and botox, you’ll do much better than most other 40 year old guys; but you still won’t pull what you could have pulled had you stayed in shape.)

Best “game” tip for older gents: Wear sunscreen. Start in your 20s, and be zealous in your 30s.

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C’mon Roosh, you seem a lil’ bit confused. What’s the point of complaining about how “easy” and “filthy” western women are if you felt like a loser if you didn’t get laid in a near past by these woman? If they don’t sex you, you give them lower value. If they sex you, you give them lower value. Seriously, I feel like you have some serious skill in observing people and making notes about it, you should totally go for a post graduation in Social Psychology or something like this but OUT OF THE USA! I’ve been reading your blog for a month and damn, americans are the sickest men I’ve ever met for the overview I got in here. “Quality men/women”? SICK AMERICAN CULTURE! I really feel sorry about you living in such a sick nation. What do you want? Easy women or “quality” ones? If you think right, your game is kind of hypocrite, ’cause it mantains a certain status quo on USA. I don’t blame you, I can’t help but thinking about how women there were spoiled or got in a defensive pattern of interacting with males.

If american scholars read a little more Foucault or had good philosophers maybe your nation could increase the living quality level.

I’m a brazilian guy and I just love women who like to get laid, it makes my life much more happy. But I think it’s hard to think like that when you are surrounded by cold and ugly women…

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Tiago makes a great point. The right women make your life better. In America, you won’t find the right women.

I was out on Saturday, and saw something from a woman unseen since………so long ago that I forget it existed.

A girl blushed.

(She’s a 20-year-old au pair from Poland.)

When is the last time an American woman blush?

The checks of an American women flush only when they are angry. They have no decency or shame, and thus never blush. Their faces turn crimson only after a man has not let her have her way.

I am not a misogynist. I love women – just not American women.

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“Am I the old guy at the bar?

If you’re white, wear your sunscreen – every day. My a.m. moisturizing has a sunscreen. Moisturize thrice daily. At night, use Retin-A.

(I also color my hair with Just For Men, which works wonderfully.)”

My point wasn’t aimed at guys in their 30s. It was more for guys who are pushing 50.

I don’t care how young you look now, eventually you will look old. At fifty, you ain’t gonna be passing as a twenty something, regardless of how well you take care of your skin. You will be lucky if people think you are in your early 40’s when you are fifty.

At that point, you will probably look foolish if you are still hitting the “meat market” bar scene.

G manifesto gave other alternatives for older guys that I mostly agree with, but still…

I just wonder what the end game is for the style of life Roosh expouses.

Is is to meat the right woman and have a long term relationship & kids or is it to play the game until you are too old to get quality tail without paying for it?

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You will be lucky if people think you are in your early 40′s when you are fifty.

HGH. Testosterone. Life extension supplements. Gym. If you only know old-looking 50s guys, improve your social circle.

I just wonder what the end game is for the style of life Roosh expouses.

The same end that we all have….He’s going to die.

Difference is when he (and I) are laying in our death beds or on the rocking chair, we’ll have a catalog of memories rather than regrets. Memories will nourish us like sweet honey. Your regrets will poison your stomach like vinegar.

http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html

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“At that point, you will probably look foolish if you are still hitting the “meat market” bar scene.”

I just thought of another alternative move for the older set: Own the bar.

– MPM

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“HGH. Testosterone. Life extension supplements. Gym. If you only know old-looking 50s guys, improve your social circle.”

I don’t know any 50s guys personally. I am in my 20s…and I have never met any 50s guys out in the bars where I live (Austin, TX). I guarantee most (all) 50s guys look older. They ain’t passing as twenty somethings.

“Difference is when he (and I) are laying in our death beds or on the rocking chair, we’ll have a catalog of memories rather than regrets. Memories will nourish us like sweet honey. Your regrets will poison your stomach like vinegar.”

Won’t the difference be that I will have my kids & grandkids at my death bed and you (and I guess roosh) won’t have anybody there when you die?

To each his own, but I personally don’t see the greatness of being a life-long bachelor. Most guys who never have kids tend to regret not having any.

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” In America, you won’t find the right women.”

Goddamn you guys are bitter. I suspect a lot of you guys are looking in shitty places for women.

I will say this though. In foreign countries, it is definitely easier to get a hotter/better woman than you’d find here. I’ve known a number of friends and associates who have girlfriends/wives from foreign countries WAY hotter (legit 7s, 8s, 9s) than what they could possibly get here.

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There are several levels of relationship. In America shit starts getting fucked up as soon as you get past the fuck buddy relationship. With American women you can forget about anything more than a one night stand or fuck buddy or a fling. It’s not worth the headache.

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I prefer daygame. Sure it takes longer but its more fun and romantic, and girls tend to enjoy it more – especially when you surprise them going direct on the streets.

There r only a few venues I like doing night game in. Most of the time I am wasting my time having to deal with huge groups just so I won’t get blown out from working my target. Plus its expensive.

However night game is my preference when I am abroad – easier to find English speakers in bars/clubs compared to random people on the street.

Plus people abroad can be a bit stiff during the day compared to America, UK, etc.

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Women will act “strong” and “independent” until you penetrate that first time – then the neediness kicks in immediately. Then suddenly they decide you’re in a “relationship.” If a woman can supposedly fuck you and walk away, I guarantee she doesn’t feel good about herself. Women still feel you owe them after they give you some. Women will complain that all men want is sex, but it’s really more the opposite – sex is all they really have to bargain with. Once they give it up, they’ve got NOTHING left to bargain with.

As for old guys…well…I guess I qualify by your standards. I’m 47. And yes, I look good for my age, but I still can’t pass for much younger than 40 because I have lots of gray hair. I’m physically fit, and I take care of my skin. I’m not a smoker or heavy drinker, so that has helped. I take care of my skin and I’m physically fit. I’m black, and as they say, “black don’t crack.” (but that’s mostly because I don’t abuse myself)I like the sun, but even though I’m dark, I use sunscreen. I won’t color out the gray, and I don’t grow a goatee anymore because it’s almost all gray. Most men (that aren’t wealthy) generally adjust their dating preferences as they get older, and aren’t hanging around the club like a pervert at the school yard.

I’m not a game guy – I don’t do the bar and club thing, and didn’t really do that much when I was younger. I do go out with a solid circle of friends (occasional bars, but mostly lounges) and meet new people that way, but it’s mostly to spend time with my own friends. Also, I meet new women that are friends of women I travel to see. I also meet women online in their late 30’s to early 40’s range that have kept themselves looking good. I try to meet diverse women from all over the country and the world, build rapport, go visit, and FUCK. I’m respectful and funny, and I get women to confide in me (they’re always looking for an excuse to spill their business!). The women that are most open, communicative, interesting and fun? The women OUTSIDE the US. The women here act like they simply can’t be bothered. The American women that are friendliest? They’re much older, or fat and desperate. I hate to jump on the anti-American woman bandwagon, but there’s a lot of truth to the criticisms Roosh and others voice here. If you can, find a woman that wasn’t born here and came here as an adult so they haven’t been totally ruined.

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hey firepower, you are clairvoyant

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It sounds like the last days of Rome in America, everyone is sleeping with everyone… when civilisation gets to this stage in history, more hardline people take over, in ancient Rome it was Christianity. Now it will probably be Islam. History repeats…

As a 21 year old woman, I have men use these game techniques on me and thanks to you I suppose, I can spot them now and it is a good filter for unreliable men. So I have that to thank… and it’s a good insight to see how heartless men can be so I will never be tempted to sleep with a man before I love him. And it drives “bad” men like you crazy when you see an unspoiled young woman like me, shy and innocent still. I can see it in your eyes, they light up… I am some kind of challenge to you.

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No man is “desperate” to sleep with you, before you prove yourself that you are NOT entitled, bitchy, arrogant etc. There are more “bad and dirty” women than men.

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Let me translate from Lu: NAWALT!

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As my game has evolved I’ve been going for few notches, but more bangs per notch. Day game may be slower but I’m finding higher quality holes to fuck again and again, whereas night game usually ends in a one night stand… rarely a second bang.

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Lu – you’re probably no greater than a 6 on a 1 to 10 scale.

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This seems to be true from my limited experience. Day game is definitely slower, and I find that I should escalate to at least a kiss on the 1st date.

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Being in shape does help doing daygame

*looks at belly*

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you deserve argentine women. I can’t believe you feel guilty about having sex. Either you give up the guilt of stop fucking women. This is ridiculous.

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Good one Roosh,

Lately, I have been trying to take girls home during the day. I meet them on campus or at the mall and after 10mins of conversation I say something like, “what are you doing right now”. Its sort of like the “Daytime AO”, but not quite as aggressive. I got a make out last month, which led to a bang. I got a few promising phone numbers, after i built up enough attraction to not get flaked on, and of course i have gotten blown out. I have learned alot.

Honestly, the biggest improvement I have made recently is ADJUSTING THE TONE OF MY VOICE, speaking a little bit more slowly and clearly, and the look on my face is much more relaxed and confident. I think i used to look too eager and jumpy/excited when i was talking.

Tonality is everthing guys. Be smooth, clear, and confident. Ever meet someone and just the way they talk is annoying? Don’t be like that.

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opps, that was me. Glad to be back.

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@30

I don’t know if it’s guilt, but there’s a dark side to this whole thing. Kind of silly in my opinion.

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@30 Agree, tone is very important. But it’s important to not try too hard too.

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“(Side observation: In the history of the universe I doubt any guy has pulled a one-night stand with the designated driver)”

BS, I’ve done it. They other girls just have to make other plans, OR you do it in the bathroom (or elsewhere, even her/your place) and then you return

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I truly don’t get this “day game is easier than night game” theory – can someone please idiot-proof it for me?

I pretty much guarantee at least a makeout every time I go out – it’s so easy because you pretty much saunter up same some cocky stuff, lay on some heavy eye contact and it works every time…. the girls are a bit drunk and primed, frankly.

But day game? I’ve never got so much as a number… not that I’ve really tried, it seems like too much hard work as girls more or less can’t believe what’s happening when you approach; ergo they’re far more likely to give a tense “okaaaayyyyyyy” kind of reaction.

Please, someone, tell me why day game is supposedly easier.

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So many rules. When I played “game” any time was a good time to meet women. Each approach was based on the girl and the situation. Not because it was day or night.

“Anytime.” There never was a better time.

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One night stands are difficult in Colombia??? And Argentine girls are hard to kiss? Im starting to think you made up the whole trip to South America wink

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don’t worry you probably wont live long enough to be ” an old guy”

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Don’t refer to yourself as a beast, you are a quality man. Just one question: which hole of a woman you consider ‘main’ – I personally prefer the rear wink