Proposed Substitution For “Pick Up Artist”

I hate the term pick up artist. It’s geeky. It’s try-hard. It doesn’t roll off the tongue. I have never referred to myself as one and never will. Instead I’ve often used the word “player,” but the problem there is that it connotes some natural ability. When I hear it I have an image of a smooth talking black guy who banged his teenage babysitter when he was 10-years-old. It doesn’t properly describe men who learned how to get laid in their 20’s or beyond.

Another problem with pick up artist is that guys who read The Game and did a couple dozen approaches are using it to describe themselves. Veterans don’t want to be grouped in with the newbies, and I would guess that guys who refer to themselves as PUA’s get laid less than guys who don’t use that term. Whenever I hear it I think of an out-of-shape guy who dresses like an idiot approaching bridal shower groups. Or a guy who studies game for six months, bangs two girls, and then starts teaching $3,000 workshops with marketing techniques learned from David D’Angelo.

We need a term that describes a guy who dabbles in game theory and uses techniques that was not given to him either at birth or through natural experience around puberty. Something that is not flashy and doesn’t define his entire essence. Here’s my suggestion:

Game guy.

Some examples of possible usage:

“Look at the flowers on his shirt. He’s probably a game guy.”

“Yeah I’m a game guy. I got into it after watching Mystery’s Pick Up Artist television program.”

“Those five guys over there are game guys—I saw them talking about advanced neg theory at the Chipotle earlier.”

“He says he hasn’t read The Game but it’s obvious he’s a game guy. I heard him talking about U-shaped and C-shaped smiles.”

“He asked me what qualities I have besides my looks. You think he’s a game guy?”

I’m a game guy. I use aftermarket knowledge to get girls in bed. It’s possible I have some natural qualities that make this job easier, but only after studying and applying game have I been able to pull the women that I want. Most of my friends are game guys as well, though they’ve had much more success with women before learning about game than I have.

“Game guy” describes a man’s awareness and application of tested techniques. He doesn’t have an ideology—it’s not how he lives his life, but it does indicate how he uses a scientific, reasoned approach to mating. It won’t be long until we’re all game guys, using logic to get better at sleeping with random women, one move and one line at a time.

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AlphaXalpha
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How about “bottom boy” ?

It is just as gay sounding as “game guy” and is more direct.

Brad
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That is just as bad if not worse…

The Truth
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Lame.

Hughman
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Please tell me this is a joke?

Genius
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I just wrote about not liking the term PUA: I am not a Pick-Up Artist. I also dislike “player” because it implies that girls are somehow getting “played.”

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How about: man ?

Naughty Nomad
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I agree, I hate using the term pua and player.
I do prefer Mystery’s name Venusian Artist. It is slightly more vague and is pleasant phonetically. I think “Gamer” is an improvement on Game guy.

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I’m also not a fan of the PUA terminology and have posted about it before. Not sure if I’m a fan of ‘Game Guy’, but I think Roosh is definitely going in the right direction here. I’m just a ‘guy’ who happens to use techniques to help get girls and then bang them.

Using the term ‘Pick up Artist’ sounds like you want to be in some elite secret club that nobody else knows about. Using all those acronyms makes it even worse. I read Bang before any other game material and I’m glad because I would have been turned off by all those acronymns and formulas.

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Gamer=video games.

I think PUA’s not a bad term honestly. Gamer/ game guy sounds if anything more amaturish than PUA. How bout a simple adjective. I think player is quite accurate and probably the best, and at the end of the day how much of a difference is there between a natural and non-natural. although player implies a man who has many women, and not so much the route that he went to get them.

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I think the terminology is good — precise and unemotional. To know that you have to “DHV her” makes for a more calm and dispassionate attitude than thinking “I need to impress her”. It’s probably easier (and less hurtful) to get someone to realize that they “failed to DHV” than that they “were unimpressive”.

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I’ve never been a fan of the PUA term and would never use it to describe myself either. I don’t really like “game guy” either though.

Player, Mack, Pimp, Cassanova, Stud, Womanizer, whatever…

Who cares what you call it.

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virgle Kent
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I agree, I hate the term PUA it’s lame. But I hate labels even more. I refuse to be put in a box.

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What about game theorist? Not only does it overload an existing term (for a mathematician that studies game theory), but the original sense is actually quite similar!

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Games have players. If you have racial hangups about it, that’s on you, player.

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Roosh’s comments section is flourishing. Most I have seen in years!

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Happy Flag Day (Birthday) Roosh!

greendroppings
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When I see other ‘PUA’s I usually call them ‘PUAs’ or ‘fags’. I don’t see myself as any particular label, other than ‘the man.’

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yep, happy bday Roosh!

Jonathan
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haha game guy sounds funny, i rather just call myself a cool guy but its a good article!

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Ya I hate labels. I think this one is ripe for abuse because of alliterations. just imagine:

“hey, you see those gay game guys over there?”

“game guys are gay”

how about something like “the hottest guys in the room.” i always think of that when i’m out with the crew

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That’s really bad. I always called myself a “student of the game.”

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what the fuck does it matter? who sits around and talks about what to call other guys who are using game to get better results with girls/get laid? don’t fucking overthink it. what its called isn’t important at all.

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“Ya that guy knows what he’s doing with the ladies. He is The Shit.”

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yeah. pickup artist is lame. i like the traditional terms — womanizer, ladies man, etc.
game is kinda lame too. haters read “manipulation” whenever they see the word game. a better term might simply be seduction arts. or seduction skills.

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Roosh, are you hitting ‘the Big Three-O’ today?
If so, any ‘deep thoughts’ on that?
Anyway, Happy Birthday!

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yeah, what are your thoughts on turning 31?

Lika
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Game guy is a good idea but it sounds bad, like a combination between gay guy and lame guy 🙂

V.A. (Venusian Artist) is the best

or

G.A. (Game Artist)

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Lothario.

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PUA does sound lame, and not only that I can’t verify this (but I wouldn’t be shocked) if girls at the most hated it and at least thought it was corny.

I don’t like to get bogged down by labels, I like to be formless, but still one of the best ones I’ve ever heard, courtesy of one of my boys; Soldier.

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How about “happy fucker”?

Lee
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22 John: “who sits around and talks about what to call other guys who are using game to get better results with girls/get laid?”

-someone who make money off it.

6 outlaw josey wales:

-i agree

Carl Sagan
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player is still the best term.

That’s if one had to use a term

George Smiley
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I think that the Spanish call them,
Conquistadors

Anonymous
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Game guys rarely get laid…compared to naturals

After they learn game theory and move to being happy and purposeful they get laid more often.

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I prefer the term “Gamesman”.

Vincent Ignatius
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I’ve never used PUA; it sounds too geeky. I’ve accepted the term player so far, but I’d rather refer to myself as a womanizer or an amateur cervix boxer.

I like Ruby’s suggestion of “Gamesman”.

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I fucking hate it.

Not to be rude, but my skin crawls.

The Game is forever. To play the game, you gotta play. That makes you a Player.

Anonymous
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I would suggest something a lot more clever than Game Guy. Are you serious?

Venusianist

Cupidist

Erosist

but then again, why do we need names for people who are good with women? Shouldn’t it just be that “Hey, Roosh V is good with women” or “Yeah, he gets a lot of women”. I don’t know why it has to be some killer term that everybody praises.

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We thought of the pick up artist show before it came out.

Anonymous
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Ass Pirate
Beaver Boy
Vagitarian

Anonymous
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Vaginist/Vagitarian
Ass Pirate

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I’ve seen it several times but surprisingly it’s not in the dictionary: cuntsman

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Seducer…
Casanova…
Ladies’ Man…
Womanizer…
It doesn’t matter if that sort of guy has natural game or is a zero-to-hero graduate.

The term PUA and what it stands for refers, for me, to guys who are not naturals but AFCs trying to improve their lot by theory and practice.
The term “pick-up artist” itself isn’t that bad at all for I consider a real “pick-up artist” someone who is able to pick up and fuck close almost any women he desires at any time and any place under any circumstances whatsoever. Thus maybe only a few hundred guys out of 3 billion on this planet can really, really be called that. To top even that, I’d say he should also be able to seduce and bang a chick even if he isn’t interested in her. Like saying: “Look pal, see that redhead over there walking with her boyfriend while listening to her Ipod? I know she’s
not your type at all, but just for the fun of it, walk over, steal her under the eyes of her mate and fuck close her in 30 minutes.” lol

Or let’s keep it real and just say it’s someone who, natural or not, has mastered the art of seduction and is able to attract, seduce, fuck and mate most of the girls he feels attracted to.

Some people turn this into some sort of weird sport or pathological obsession though…

Stay cool and relax!

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Gamesman is good stuff

AllPUA
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Game guy sounds fake and gay.

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Anonymous
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Simple. One letter. G.

gay guy
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I propose “faggot”.

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I just call myself The Situation

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what’s wrong with womanizer?