Game is a social tool that helps you have more sexual success with women, but what type of women? During the time I was applying game, I noticed that it works best on women who were in the same mode of worldly extraction as I was. In essence, I became skilled at extracting pleasure from women who were skilled at extracting pleasure from me. Therefore, game is most effective on women who are in love with worldly things and in rebellion against God.

You don’t want the women you can get with game

When you’re on a casual date with a girl, you maintain a ledger of what you have given her compared to what you have received. You note how much time and money you spent on her and how good she may be at giving you orgasms in bed. You may also calculate the opportunity cost of being with her versus another woman. Are you aware that she maintains the exact same ledger?

A girl you’re on a date with weighs how much your attractiveness can validate her, how much social status she can withdraw from you, how entertained or happy you can make her feel, and how much emotional and sexual pleasure you can give her. The modern, secular date is really a business negotiation where both participants evaluate the goods they will receive compared to the cost. The man wants sex badly, the woman kind of wants sex but much prefers the attention, validation, or other freebies, and off they go to the restaurant or bar to “negotiate” under the guise of getting to know each other. You primarily see each other as a resource to be mined, instead of someone who could be your spouse. The structure of the casual date is therefore one of extraction, and extraction primarily leads to the prospect of fornication or fornication itself.

When a girl is ready for fornication, or desires men to attempt to fornicate with her as a means to extract pleasure and good feelings, she is highly susceptible to game, which is designed to keep a fallen woman on the hook just long enough so that she opens her legs without commitment. Game has a failure rate, of course, but it is the most advanced toolset available to sleep with a woman who has decided not to save herself for marriage. You build attraction and curiosity while displaying scarcity. You show that you’re not needy. You have stock answers to common questions that make her laugh. You never make her feel guilty for being a promiscuous girl on birth control who may have an abortion or two under her belt. Most importantly, you imply that sleeping with you is the best deal she can currently make in a life that is otherwise void of meaning.

While you perform the clown dance, she is doing the same but in reverse, using her attractiveness, sensuality, charm, and feminine wiles to amplify the lust you have for her, to the point where you’re ready to throw all manner of logic and reason out the door in order for a single act of sex. Even if you have the best game in the world, a girl will effortlessly have more power than you by doing no more than showing up to the date wearing extra glossy lipstick, and the more you “win” with game by sleeping with many girls, the more you lose because of how deeply you become dependent on physical affections from women who ultimately would not sacrifice the end of a fingernail for your love without expecting the moon in return.

Find a woman who requires faith, not game

Compare the modern promiscuous woman to a virgin who worships God and shuns pre-marital sex (or a repentant woman who has confessed her past sexual mistakes). Your game, which is tuned to making promiscuous women promiscuate, is now useless. The virgin believer may be attracted to you, and may even have thoughts of sleeping with you (that she banishes from her mind through prayer), but ultimately she will not act on that lust, because she already made a vow to God to save herself for her future husband. The best “game” on her is showing your faith and your ability to protect and provide for her and any potential children.

It’s important to note that a girl who is not actively falling will still feel attraction to a good-looking man with game, but if her faith is genuine, and not something that is confined to the four walls of the gay rainbow church she visits once a month, there will be no subsequent intimacy. Attempting to break such a girl is rather grievous in God’s eyes—you are essentially playing the role of Satan in tempting her to sin. When I look at my past, at the ease of which even sexually inexperienced females slept with me, I must conclude that I was but a needed stepping stone in their conscious decision to rebel against God, and for that I’m regretful, though at the time I really believed that I was doing them a favor.

Is it worth it for the man of God to learn game if he only wants a devout Christian wife? No. There could be exceptions if you have an exceedingly awkward personality, a lack of basic masculinity, or diagnosed autism, but the right girl for you should not need you to apply game on her to remain devoted, and if you do need to run game on her, you will always need to run game on her, even after the divorce when you want to see your children on the weekend. You’ll need to be the permanent clown. If she doesn’t see you as a man given to her by God, my advice is to forget her. You want a girl who has rejected the players, and rewarded only the man who has Jesus Christ in his heart, and if this outcome is too rosy with you then good luck marrying a worldly woman who is in constant need of erotica and dopamine stimulation.

You may be thinking: “Well it’s easy for you to advise not to learn game, Roosh, since you already have it.” And what do I now use it for? I no longer meet women like I advised in the past. I do retain the ability to read a woman’s body language at a level above that of an average man, but I can read the body language of men too, so I can’t even tell you that game itself was the source of this benefit. Understand that I don’t want to use game at all, especially on a woman whom I would consider a wife, for it would just reaffirm that she has no faith in God to pick a spouse who is putting on a clown act. She would be using deceptive feelings and emotions to guide her judgment for what will certainly be the wrong choice.

Conclusion

I spent over fifteen years mastering game to come to the conclusion that I don’t want to use it and that I don’t want a girl who is so easily susceptible to it. All that lost time is the price I must pay for going down the wrong road for so long, but I hope my example can prevent other men from wasting even 1% of the time I have.

It’s fine to take the red pill, build your physical strength, mature into an adult man, become capable in social situations, and learn the warning signs of a bad woman, but you don’t need to use Tinder or approach women in the bar or the coffee shop. You don’t need to know pickup lines and tricks, and you don’t need to go on dates with a multitude of fallen women. When God places the right woman before you, trust in Him to move your lips. Let Him share with you the game that He wants you to do, and for that you’ll be better off than trying to learn a secular game that will only put you closer to the wrong woman. It turns out that my past game teachings are useless on a woman who is walking with Christ in a similar way that I am. From this point on, only God game will suffice.

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bob
bob
7 months ago

gay

Guest
Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  bob

+1

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
7 months ago
Reply to  Guest

Anything worthwhile in life is going to be hard. A quality woman. A great career. An useful higher education degree.

If it is easy to obtain, it is likely worthless.

Finding a quality Christian woman in our corrupt world today is going to be hard. That is what makes her worthwhile.

This means you will need a 3-pronged approach to your search: local churches; local Christian-focused charities; online. You will need to do some legwork here.

This is especially of you want/need one who is at least a 5 physically and not obese or seriously lacking in any physical beauty. Keep in mind, you can compromise that 5+ in the appearance requirement down somewhat, but remember that any relationship where the man and woman are more than 2 points apart in appearance is NOT stable and is at high risk for divorce, etc.

If you are a 7 man and you negotiate yourself down (“negotiated attraction” = danger!) to accept a 4 woman because she is a wonderful Christian person, I commend you. But you also need to know that there will be trouble, no matter what you do, especially as she ages after 30. Either other more attractive women will tempt you OR she will (eventually) become jealous of you around other women. Stay within 2 points of each other in appearance (this means both need stay fit, dress ok, hygiene, etc) and it will be stable. 🙂

Oh yeah and take it from a man who was married in his early 20s well into his late 30s: she will age, and even the ones who age gracefully and stay in shape will lose their youthful beauty in time. That is human nature and it is Biblical concept. “Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting; but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised”. Proverbs 31:30

Just to keep it in perspective, folks. We need to keep it real and go into marriage and the courtship of a quality Christian woman with realistic expectations and eyes wide open. That is the Red Pill lifestyle: you have to keep it real and keep it honest with yourself, have realistic expectations, and expect hard work to succeed.

Trev
Trev
7 months ago
Reply to  bob

He speaks the truth. I was in a relationship for over three years with a very beautiful model but as Roosh says I could no longer keep her happy and entertained and we broke up. If you want to try you can go ahead, but your chances of keeping a woman happy long term and them making you happy in 2020 are slim and none and slim left town.

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
6 months ago
Reply to  Trev

For 2 long years, I dated (and even got engaged) to a girl who was a solid 9 (9.5 when dressed up well) when I was 18. She had an extreme anxiety problem and was very shy despite being insanely hot and beautiful too. The expected aggressive male attention she would get scared her, so she would dress frumpy and withdrawal. Church of God girl, good family, lower middle class, but very good people.

I met her because I was once a weak and skinny dude who got severely bullied in middle school. I then took some Vitamin S in HS and I got huge. One day I stepped in to defend these freshmen who were being bullied by this guy at Taco Bell. She saw it and was impressed and we started dating that same day. We got engaged a while later, after we both lost our virginity together. We wanted to be together and marry.

She loved my cocky, confident Alpha mannerism, cool sports car and just an unafraid Christian male attitude. I loved her looks and her personality was cute as shy girl…. at first. Then it got worse, she was afraid of meeting my family. She was afraid of going anywhere new, she was afraid to move to another area if we got married. She would never come to my church, we had to go to her church every Sunday (and I had to drive there too). She was afraid of driving in highway, she would take backroads around city. It got ridiculous after a while. She would not hang out with my friends, ever, she said they were “scary guys”, but they were not. We barely hung out with her own friends, the only one she liked to hang out with was this other chunky girl who was also crazy shy, not pretty, and weird.

Shy is cute, having this weird anxiety she had was terrible, and she would not want to seek treatment she needed, clearly. We also had little in common, except we were Christian and Conservative. The rest of our likes/dislikes were totally different.

I was less and less happy as time went by. No matter how hot she was and how much my friends commended me for dating such a hot girl, I was miserable. I reached out to friends about it, they were like “are you crazy dude? You will never ever have another such a hot woman in your life”. That was the mindset. I was the crazy one. It got to a point I was just depressed and told her we could not marry, she agreed(!) and returned my ring.

I learned a lot from that relationship, what I liked in women, what I needed in a woman, and what I could not live with. It taught me a lot, so when I met the woman God actually wanted me to marry, it was a done deal, easy to tell she was the one. 🙂 Yeah she was a 7 when I was an 8, not nearly as hot as my other fiancée, BUT I was happy and truly in love with my late wife. And she stayed beautiful, faithful, and always engaged for years and years, well beyond “the wall”.

Bottom line: it is very hard to be with a woman who is even less than 2 points higher than you in looks (I was and still am a solid 8). And it is impossible to be with a woman who has a personality and mindset that is so different than yours. Find a woman you have things in common with because you cannot (repeat: cannot) have a marriage or even an LTR with a woman that is totally opposite than you in terms of personality and worldview. Beauty fades, but a woman who is worthwhile is from the Lord, friends.

Josh
Josh
6 months ago
Reply to  Christian Cool

How can you place such an emphasis on looks as a Christian? What happened to us all being beautiful creations in God’s image blah blah and the soul of the person being what matters? And what do you do if you’re born a 1? Would you worship a God who condemned you to such a fate? Why would God make it this way, and how can you worship a God who would do something so cruel and want us to be so shallow?

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
6 months ago
Reply to  Josh

Josh, you do understand the mechanics and the basic truths and realities of life, don’t you? To deny appearances matter in life is to deny The Red Pill itself. It is to deny reality at its most basic form.

This is just like guys who says “looks don’t matter” and then end up with a woman over -2 in appearance on himself and ends up unhappy in time.

There is no way one can “negotiate attraction”, It simply does not work, at least does not work long term. This is one of the most basic teachings of TRP. If you are a blue-piller, then you can say “looks do not matter”. Suit yourself. *roll eyes*

In any case… Christianity is a process, and a series of steps towards growth. I am a different man today than I was when I was 18 years old. That story sought to illustrate the folly of seeking out a woman who was super-hot while making me miserable. That is what happens when men grow and develop, as men and as Christians: we learn from our mistakes.

Zarathoustra
Zarathoustra
5 months ago
Reply to  bob

Not only gay, but even worse – completety useless. Let Him (God) do the talking for you. Wow. You’re going to have a lot of male virgins with that piece of advice.

Craig Johnson
Craig Johnson
7 months ago

The Sunday Morning Nightclub in most mega churches would say otherwise about game not working on so-called women of faith.

Nick Brusky
Nick Brusky
7 months ago
Reply to  Roosh

Roosh, Craig isn’t referring to “gay rainbow” churches. He is referring to the majority of churches that claim to oppose the “gay rainbow” agenda. These are churches that are evangelical, conservative, protestant and post Vatican II Catholic that preach traditional values from their pulpit but don’t live them out in their daily lives. They are more focused on numbers, church growth and a feel good atmosphere than the Gospel.

That is the real problem for the single Christian man.

Thank God I am married to a godly woman!

Apostle Mark
Apostle Mark
7 months ago
Reply to  Roosh

Agreed. But I think its not enough just to tell men to go for a woman of faith. He needs to stay away from the cucked church and not all cucked churches look like the rainbow flag waving ones in DuPont Circle.

To get a better understanding of what is going on in Evangelical Protestantism check out American Gospel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHm18wUAGU

paddy
paddy
7 months ago
Reply to  Nick Brusky

That’s overly critical. Claiming that all Catholic Churches are filled with women who are one way is incorrect and a broad brush. It is also incorrect to refer to “post Vatican II” Churches. There is one true Church and it is the Roman Catholic Church, founded by God. This comment strikes me as being similar to the secularist’s tactic of trying to assume a morally superior standard when in fact it is the secularists who are the greatest abusers of children, the greatest abortionists, the greatest in deviance and the greatest in filth.
Yes, there are sinners in and outside the Church. The Schismatic churches are not exceptions. They also have great scandals but the secular world is devoted to Satan’s agenda. By that alone it makes sense to say that the secularist and modern society is far worse and any perusal of popular culture proves this is indeed a fact in numerically superior deviance.
Catholic Churches are not singles clubs but the Temple of God’s Eternal Sacrifice. But a Catholic man meeting the woman God intended for him is good and being so uncharitable to our Catholic sisters and to paint them with such a large brush is unwarranted.
Good women exist.
They are rare. But they exist.
The real solution in this temporal world is to fix the revolutionary court system and political and economic system.
Catholic governance is the west. Catholic social teaching should be mandatory and enforced by the force of the state. That would criminalize divorce and women would once again be prevented from leaving their fathers homes until they went to live with their husbands.
The west must become Catholic again.
While I am very sympathetic to Roosh’s new found Schismatic Faith and , as he is Persian, it makes sense that he would seek out his Persian Christian roots I must say that diversity is not a strength when it comes to the One True Church, that was founded by God who is Jesus Christ, our King , Lord and Master and who we worship as we revere our Mother , the Queen of Heaven , our Lady , perfect human and greatest of all the Saints and that since there can be only one Truth , there is only one True Church and that is Christ’s Roman Catholic Church and to which the Schismatic must return.
Just as the Schismatics cannot offer the fullness of the Faith until they return to full communion with Gods Church so must we say that Persian men sleeping with western women is not something we should be promoting. Roosh is a fine man and perhaps better than me but Persians, Africans, Orientals, Arabs, whatever group Pakistanis and Indians are and all the rest of the dark races do not belong in the west and Northern European heritage women should not be consorting with these men. Roosh created a website that did not just teach men to sleep with loose women it also taught brown men and it is man’s suspicion that this was the ROK PRIMARY mission. Observe the contributors over the years. A darker, swarthier, oilier batch of brown writers you will not find outside of a Greek naval vessel.
God segregated us both by global reach and by biological diversity. We are united in Christ and let us preserve His creation by rejection miscegenation and instead of brown men leaving their homelands they should return to them and take wives that are suitable for them and they can make their eastern nations great again.
BE
CATHOLIC

Trev
Trev
7 months ago
Reply to  Nick Brusky

Unfortunately Mars Hill and Saddleback spawned 100s of copycats. I go to a Calvary chapel that faithfully teaches the word and has a very simple structure. You won’t build a huge church that way, but who cares? I don’t want to go to some clown church. There are good churches still but I believe we live in the apostacy or falling away spoken of in the Bible. Most churches are run like a business and use marketing and growth strategies. Jesus warned that many would claim to be his disciples and would be rejected and I believe the Greek word means a majority.

I married someone who I met in a big church in the 90s and it was a disaster and she cheated. I learned my lesson that you have to vett someone out even if they claim to be Christian.

ChristianCool
ChristianCool
7 months ago
Reply to  Roosh

I totally sympathize with men who have bad personal experiences with “church girls” sometimes even being worse than “world girls”. I have had a couple guys in my small group who say “non-Christian girls” sometimes are easier to handle, as they are honest about whom they are.

I have been shown the InstaGram of some “Christian” girls these guys encounter out there and they are out there drinking and bangin’ away in Cabo or Panama City. That is a sad state of affairs for Christian men, of course. 🙁

You cannot generalize, however. I am someone who refuses to believe in absolutes such as AWALT, for example. It is simply too generic and too broad.

Back in my early teens, I was also a “young chivalrous Christian young man” as wel as most Church-raised young men. Just as being “born into sin” is standard for humanity as a whole, being raised Blue Pilled is also the norm. We counter our natural sinful nature through voluntarily coming to Christ and become wiser, more prepared men through the knowledge gained through Game and by taking the Red Pill.

While it is true that Gene X’ers like myself who grew up in Middle America “had it good” when it came to relationships and moderate economic and social stability, the Gene X’ers grew up as “latchkey kids”, the first generation to experience the results of the Divorce Revolution started in the 1980s. I grew up mostly in “flyover America” during my teenage years. It was an absolutely awesome time to be a teenager. The women I met in high school were pretty, mostly thin, wore too much make-up, and were generally very nice and sweet. I cannot count how many girls I would go out on a movie date who would bring me cookies or something they made. It was incredible. Feminism was a plague to the coastal cities and we escaped that scourge in middle America. It was not until college that I first experienced angry feminism of any kind.

When I first began dealing with feminism in an appreciable scale was in the early 2000s. back them, a decent looking guy like myself could land a decent Christian woman to marry with a notch count around 2 to 4. It was getting harder to meet a decent woman in church back then, but was still doable.

The problem for guys like me, Gen X men, was that when we came of age and were faced with feminism (in my case, first year of college), we were not ready for it. Middle-America guys were caught off guard and our feminine women were re-made in the colleges into radical feminists. Many guys went on to get divorce-raped and have their kids taken away.

Meanwhile GenX guys living in feminist-controlled place were at the forefront of movements online. Men like Roosh, Heartiste, and others, took upon themselves to figure out a way around this rigged, hellish misandrist system they had lived with for many years before I first encountered feminist hate in my early 20s. They created an online network that would eventually create a global movement of Red Pilled men, who utilized “Game” (or whatever you may call these strategies) to improve themselves and be successful in their personal lives with women and their peers.

I cannot say this enough, that guys like Roosh and Heartiste helped me connect the misandry I was seeing growing all around me to a system of feminism I was not yet fully aware of. I was already sensing the problem was around me, but it was too strange and new to me to quickly be able to effectively counter it. I was trying kindness and politeness to counter it, to no avail. Red Pill knowledge improved my life in many ways. I had to dose some Dread and RP knowledge to keep the relationship stable and healthy. Like keeping your body healthy requires some maintenance, like exercise, taking a flu shot, and quality food.

That said…. One benefit we have today that I did not have as a young man coming of age up in the late 1990s was the Internet’s information about The Red Pill, the ManoSphere and sites like this. This info was not widely available back then as it is today. We are very fortunate to (still) be able to discuss such issues openly, free, from anywhere in the world.

Can you find a good Christian woman today, with low-mileage? Absolutely. But she will be hard to find. And I hate to say it, you may need to trade some of your appearance requirements to be with a woman of great character and value, one that will help elevate her man, a-la Proverbs 31. Such women usually range in the 5-7 in looks department and if she lacks some of the more enticing attributes you like, she may need to be a “project girl” in some aspects.

Be realistic, if all I can say. If she is a serious Christian who is in the 8-9 looks department, she will be in such high demand, she will only pick the top men within her faith (i.e. rich and top looks).

SMV and basic economic principles (i.e. supply and demand, etc) apply everywhere, even in church. 😉 And never ever feel ashamed to do some background research on her. Social Media will tell you a lot, gentlemen.

DoubleDoseOfTruth
DoubleDoseOfTruth
7 months ago

– Why didn’t you just… kill us?

– You don’t fear death. You welcome it, become heroes by it. Your punishment must be more severe. You chased us out of 137 countries through history for sacrificing children and enslaving people through debt and now – we shall enslave you all through money, laws, biochemical manipulation and finally – your own women. Yes. But true despair can only be accomplished by having hope, a hope of marriage and children. And like shipwrecked sailors turning to seawater from uncontrollable thirst – you will die trying.

Then, when your civilization is ashes and our great Israel is built, then, you’ll have our permission to DIE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwTx1UWswQ&fbclid=IwAR2jLIQCrCC_gwJKqmaa6TrNM0KnnbLvFfxv207HEWFiN5swhDb3gR3tpQI

Jake
Jake
7 months ago

anti semites are cursed by G-d see Gen 15 and are demonized…

Rudy
Rudy
7 months ago
Reply to  Jake

Today’s Jews are not the Hebrews of the Bible…if you’re gonna use a Bible quote, you really need to know the Bible first.

Strac5
Strac5
7 months ago
Reply to  Jake

There are no Jews in Genesis, and to say that Genesis 15 refers to Jews is heresy. Christ condemned Jews. He obviously was not cursing Himself. Jews are not mentioned in the Old Testament until 2 Kings, after King David lived. David and his ancestors were Syrian. The Israelites are all Syrian. Jews are taking wild advantage of gentile ignorance in persuading gentiles to believe that the Bible says Israelites were Jews. “Israelites” refers to the descendants of Israel, who was a man, not a place. Israel was originally named Jacob until renamed by God, and he was Syrian. Christ also is not Jewish. He was from Upper Galilee, a separate territory and culture two states over from Judea. It was, and He was, Syrian.

Ben
Ben
7 months ago

Wow!! Number 1: Really well written (great flow). 2: This resonated with me a lot and made a lot things “click”. Thanks Roosh.

Jay
Jay
7 months ago

Current broken generation of girls are hyperbegging/testing father figures to force them into submission so that they can feel worthy/useful for a change.
Hence the rampant success of game despite vehement claims of feminism.

Albus
Albus
7 months ago

“When God places the right woman before you, trust in Him to move your lips. Let Him share with you the game that He wants you to do…”

What does that look like? What does that mean?

For all of the atomized men out there that have been abandoned by your God, this rings hollow.

Hi-value women (that don’t “fall” early) will want hi-value men, and they naturally find them through social proofing, aka being introduced to men vouched-for by family and friends.

Want to meet hi-value women? Join a network of hi-value men through which to meet them.

Not a member of a network? Then you are a fallen man, suitable for fallen women.

What’s the solution? Rise above your atomization, become a better man in mind, body, and spirit. Then seek out networks of hi-value men and become one of them.

This “God” of which you speak exists within families, friends, communities and nations.

You cannot find God alone, but alone is where you keenly feel the absence of the divine.

If you want a woman, you have to become a man, and a man isn’t a man without divine aspirations.

Conquer yourself, secure your progeny, then conquer the Earth.

Vespasian
Vespasian
7 months ago
Reply to  Albus

You are on point, good man. If friends vouch for you, then you don’t need game. The potential wife will take you for who you are and submit to you. Isolation is not godly. How can one be of virtue if you keep all to yourself? John the Baptist was in the desert, yet men among men gathered around him to be baptized – John didn’t hide his gift from God. Jesus Christ travelled with his apostles, the women who supported him, and there were hundreds sometimes thousands of people gathering around him – he didn’t hide his godly powers but shared them to give to the community. Elijah, even under the desolate rule of King Ahab, managed to find thousands of men, who didn’t bow their knees to Baal.

Isolationist asceticism not as a means to serve your fellow men by sharing what God has given you, is a false doctrine.

Banner
Banner
7 months ago
Reply to  Albus

Albus you make some good points but this I do wonder: “If you want a woman, you have to become a man, and a man isn’t a man without divine aspirations”

You talk about finding where high value men go in order to find high value women—but let’s face it: this simply means joining a country club or elite organization, based on material pursuits, in which one will encounter gold digging, status seeking females. The expression “high status” simply means rich and popular. And the expression “divine aspirations” in simple terms means someone who does good things for humanity which women are callously indifferent to. Seriously. If women rewarded men for kindness and Humanity then every man would be lining up to save the World—and we all know this is not the case.

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
7 months ago
Reply to  Albus

Albus,

Clearly, you have never met the woman God has for you. Trust me, you will know her. Just ask guys who met the woman God had in store for them and they both know it when they first meet. You will feel like you have known this woman for years. She will feel comfortable with you quickly and trust you. You will feel a sense of belonging together. This goes far beyond pure passion and carnal desire.

Now, you do have a point when it comes to meeting high-quality women via social groups. But even among “high-value women”, social groups are getting smaller and smaller and even more and more rare. How many guys from your office even get to hang ut with “high value women” before they are falsely accused of “sexual harassment” and are fired and financially ruined? It is not self-atomization and self-isolation. The world is becoming more and more isolated the more “connected” people become online.

You CAN find God alone. A church is a way to fellowship and grow, but your walk with God is one you must take alone.

God does not exist in families or nation or communities because God is ethereal and eternal. God is THE creator, not a creation by humans. These are “gods” with lowercase “G”. Human creation, not the creator.

You have a wrong concept of God and the divine, far outside even most mainstream Christian doctrine.

Jald8
Jald8
7 months ago

You are a genius Roosh. You have extraordinary gifts of intelligence and willpower that God gifted you. But of course you also have the pride and vanity that accompany such gifts. It is so wonderful to see here in this post that you are repenting of your past mistakes (which let’s face it, all gifted men make one way or another) because repenting leads to self-forgiveness.

You may feel you wasted 15 years but doesn’t prevent you now from going forward and doing wonderful things in God’s name. There are millions of innocents who are in need of help, starving, sick, and beset by evil. There are a thousand ways you can help the world, large and small. Perhaps one lonely woman who hopes for a Godly man. Take care.

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
7 months ago
Reply to  Jald8

The wise king Solomon knew both the best and the worst of godliness and sin. Roosh’s knowledge of both is what makes him valuable as a Red Pilled Christian convert. He gets it.

Take Kanye West. Think he would be able to lead the Christian revival he is now leading in ghetto communities, prisons, etc if Kanye had not been infamous and world-known for the nastiest rap available? Surely not. His conversion now makes him much more credible to non-believers.

Roosh has the type of “street cred” that Paul of Tarsus had after his conversion (in their own respective ways, of course).

Stay the court, Roosh. Christian lifestyle and following the faith is a marathon, not a sprint. You will stumble along the way, but the long path ahead allows you to pick yourself up and keep on going, focus on the prize.

Banner
Banner
7 months ago

All women are essentially fallen. Just look at the story of Adam and Eve. Even though one could argue that it is simply a story, there is a lot of wisdom about women’s true nature in that tale.

Kitty Tantrum
7 months ago
Reply to  Banner

Big picture: all of humanity is fallen.

David
David
7 months ago
Reply to  Banner

Word

smarter by 2 points
smarter by 2 points
7 months ago
Reply to  Banner

Banner, you judge something real from a story? grow up…your logic is fallen. To pieces. PS. I am not defending women. Or attacking them, although certainly I would never defend them. Why should I? Women aren’t any more special than anyone else.

Daniela
Daniela
7 months ago

I cannot give enough thanks to God for saving brother RooshV. I’m a female porn addict in recovery, and while I didn’t “rode the C carrousel “ in my twenties, yes, I am damaged goods. I’ve always felt drawn to your writing style because it was quite honest (though it started by reading a cruel comment on Ecuador). I’m trusting Jesus will get me through this dark hour and continue making Millenial men bold in their salvation. You are an inspiration. May God reward you with one of His sweet-natured daughters, may you lead your family using your insight and restoration and His Light as your Light. God Bless you!

Banner
Banner
7 months ago

Roosh, personally I think there are no good women left in today’s world, even in church where one mainly sees hypocrite women.

If hypothetically you do find a good, decent woman to start a family with, you’ll have to settle for butt-ugly. I’m talking the face that looks like the back end of a moose. Yes that’s shallow of course for me to say this, but I’m rather unattractive guy and would not want to procreate with said moose-face and bring really ugly children in a World where looks are a major factor in both economic and social success.

Bill Ferrell
Bill Ferrell
7 months ago
Reply to  Banner

Not true. There are several women in the church I attend who have eyes for only their husbands, are Godly women, and who are devoted wives and mothers.

One girl in particular is beautiful and it is really unusual because her husband is homely. However, both are children of God and she loves babies. She just birthed her sixth and said she is read for another – much to his dismay. LOL.

She won’t make eye contact with men, is very bashful and shy, very humble..

Banner
Banner
7 months ago
Reply to  Bill Ferrell

“One girl in particular is beautiful and”

What famous actress or model does she closely or partially resemble?

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
7 months ago
Reply to  Banner

Banner, you are wrong. If you live in a city in the Coasts, yeah I can see why you say that. In middle-America still has some cute girls in church that are serious about their faith.

The problem is that they are rare these days. Compared to when I was hunting for a wife in my early 20s (early 2000s), today the pickings are much, much thinner, of course. But non-existent? Nah….

I agree that in some cases, you will have to compromise a little on looks if you find an extraordinary woman. But you should “negotiate attraction” or you are setting yourself up for failure.

Dude here in my church makes good money, he is pretty homely and boring accountant. But he managed to land a girl +3 on the looks from him, and she looks like Natalie Dormer, long blonde hair, thin, and they just had a kid too. I asked him how they met and he said Christian charities, he worked out a plan to attend Christian charity events and met her in a soup kitchen across the north end of the city. His scheme worked, she was impressed to see him at soup kitchen and they went on a date.

So you are gonna have to do some legwork, triage your search online, in Christian charity events, and online). Keep in mind that anything worthwhile in life will be hard to get. That includes a quality woman. It is not gonna be easy.

Impossible? Everything in lie SEEMS impossible until it is done.

Banner
Banner
7 months ago

“You may be thinking: “Well it’s easy for you to advise not to learn game, Roosh, since you already have it.” And what do I now use it for?”

Don’t forget too that women are like beer: every man gets his fill and then goes home and throws up. So it is easy for Roosh to become celibate after he’s had tons of sex, but try convincing a 15 year old virgin boy who is so horny he’s about to bust a nut on the highway—and don’t forget Roosh you were once that horny virgin teenager once too.

Caleb Roy
Caleb Roy
7 months ago

Keep up the good work Roosh. God bless you! I can see that the enemy is constantly trying to attack you now that you are saved and walking with the Lord. Keep it up! Remember that the Joy of the Lord is your strength!

website
7 months ago

Informative, but not convincing. Something is missing, and what I do not understand. But, frankly: – bright and benevolent thoughts.

Lee
Lee
7 months ago
Reply to  website

It lacks sincerity because he is not holding himself accountable. He says that game only works on fallen women yet doesnt say men who need to use game are fallen themselves. It’s not the women, it’s you. Everyone attracts everybody, but you only ACCEPT those that fill an insecurity rather then expose it. Like women who prefer bad boy losers over high valued men; its because the loser makes them feel good about themselves while the high valued man makes THEM feel like the loser. I used to be a manipulative bitch (I’m a female btw) using PUA game in reverse on guys. Astonishing how the human psyche works so consistently every time… Anyway the reason I was like that is because I felt like shit and wanted to take it out on the world i.e. men. That’s more than likely how these guys feel too. The solution, look into your past, forgive your mom, dad, foster parents who ever the fuck did you wrong and stop treating people like objects and you will find a kind nurturing woman.

Dust850
Dust850
5 months ago
Reply to  Lee

Thank you for you self awareness and honesty in this post.

Kitty Tantrum
7 months ago

I always wondered about “game” and its range of applicability… in my brief foray into fornication, there were instances where a guy would say something that registered with me as having been formulated to elicit a particular reaction. And to ME, on some level, I guess it was a bit of a sharp reminder that I wasn’t on the right path. First I’d feel a little pang of indignation, like “Wow, that’s something he said because he knew it would curry favor with the average woman… does he really think I’m that dumb? Does he really think I’m about to go to bed with him because he can make words???”

And then… “Weeeelllll… maybe you are that dumb, look at what you’re doing.”

Yeah, I can pretty well testify that for a woman who has ANYTHING RESEMBLING the kind of moral compass you’d want in a wife, “spitting game” at her is going to trigger her inner defense mechanisms, at least on a gut level. Even if she has sex with you anyway. And then she’ll feel bad about it. “Game” really isn’t a good foundation for relationships leading to marriage. It’s manipulative.

A woman who wants a real marriage, a woman who is looking to fulfill a higher calling than “tinder slut” doesn’t need to be gamed like that. For me it was a little bit insulting when I had a boyfriend who said he wanted to marry me… but then acted like he had to use “standard game tactics” to keep me around. Some of the things he would say, it felt like he must think I was a totally different woman. Like he was trying to impress me with all of the same things that had impressed other women. I guess he projected the “average woman’s” motivations onto me, or something.

Women like me don’t want a man who can spit good game, we want a man who has a higher purpose that we can join him in; namely marriage and family.

Even those who are fallen to a degree can still be turned right off by “game.” If she is simply WEAK rather than ignorant or wholly deceived, such interactions might serve to make her all the more keenly aware of her cognitive dissonance and her internal deliberations.

Lots of guys with “good game” will assume any time a woman leaves him that it’s because she has a short attention span for penis and has simply moved on to the next cock-du-jour… but I know that at least sometimes (because I exist) it’s because your “game” sent her running away from you and into the arms of a man with fewer pretty words and thrilling tactics but more genuine up-front investment. (And no, I don’t mean monetary investment. Sigh.)

My husband didn’t need to “game” me. I wanted a husband. He has all the makings of a really good one and was willing to overlook my sordid past and associated baggage – because (if I may say so) I make a darn good wife. Boom, done. Deal. All-around bargain, in fact – for both of us. We both still feel like we got the better end of the stick.

If you think you need to run game on women to find a wife, all I can really ask is: why are you pursuing women who need to be convinced that they even want a husband, at all, period?

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
7 months ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

Kitty, you are missing the point here.

Game is not something you would utilize to “convince” a woman to marriage. Most women either want to marry younger (for whatever reason – lack of father-figure in her life, Christian faith, etc) OR she will decide on her own that she wants to marry, often in her late 20s early 30s and will focus on finding a “marriage-minded guy” as her top priority.

The famous Christian writer Dalrock explains this phenomenon, of women wanting to marry much later in life, when many men will have often outgrown their desire to ever marry.

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/10/11/why-wont-these-peter-pan-manboys-man-up-and-marry-aging-flighty-selfish-career-gal-sluts-already/

Game is not a “series of things you do and say” to get women in bed or whatever. It is a toolbox of concepts, tested theories, and self-improvement strategies that make a man better equipped to deal with a hostile dating and marriage marketplace.

As for “her inner defense”, that is called a “bitch shield”. Even the most pro-married minded woman will have that even as she initially meets the man God may have for her, albeit in a much lower setting, at least initially. game is designed to work around that “inner defense” which she may deploy even to the nicest, most sincere Christian man she has ever met and means only to marry her before all.

The thing is, some guys are obviously “trying to hard” and others handle it naturally. That is what you are missing out on. Trying too hard is indeed a turn off. Like girls who wanna pretend to be “one of the guys” and ends up looking like a fool. That is not Games fault, that is just trying too hard.

You close by saying you wanted a husband. Ok, yeah, if a woman wants marriage, she will focus on it like a laser beam, and will target guys who likely want marriage too. If she does not, no man’s Game will “convince her” unless he is rich and she wants a cut of the cash in divorce court.

Game also provides you with relationship management tools, like Dread and Amused Mastery. In a less corrupt world full of divorce lawyers, cash prizes for women in court, and a pro-divorce culture, husbands would not need such tools to keep their marriage healthy and stable. Today, the monthly dose of Amused Mastery and the yearly dose of Dr. Husband’s Dread Pill will be necessary to keep her and your marriage away from court.

Game does not end in marriage. It simply provides a man with a different understanding of what a 21st Century marriage is like and provides tools to keep it form falling apart.

Alec
Alec
7 months ago

Roosh, what about Paul’s preference for men and women to be unmarried in 1 Corinthians 7? Especially men he wished to remain celibate like himself.

Alec
Alec
7 months ago
Reply to  Roosh

But shouldn’t we be striving for Paul’s ideal? If Paul is writing by the power of the Holy Spirit, then it is really the Holy Spirit’s ideal. Missing the mark of Paul’s ideal and settling for marriage is like taking three-day leftovers, and mold is already growing in it! It seemed to ache him to give the leeway in the first place: if you are so lustful and passionate and can’t have self-control, then at least get married, but then immediately says, but try to act for the most part that you’re not even married. Why else would Jesus say that one must “hate their wife” to be his disciple? There will be no marriage in heaven. God knows it’s too easy for men to think of women more than Him.

Alec
Alec
7 months ago
Reply to  Alec

Augustine thought that concupiscence even in the context of marriage is no good thing for the soul.

vlad
vlad
7 months ago
Reply to  Alec

I like 1 Corinthians 7. It says that he’d prefer everyone were like him (celibate) but if they can’t control themselves, than marriage and becoming “one flesh” gives them immunity from sexual sin.

I recently found out that Paul was a 4’10 midget who was bald and not very attractive, so that kind of makes it easy for him to resist temptation when nobody wants him.

Alec
Alec
7 months ago
Reply to  vlad

Not really. Ugly guys have just as much lust toward attractive women as handsome men. And it wasn’t like it is now either: tons of boobs and butts hanging out everywhere you look.

Isaac Freeborn Kellogg
Isaac Freeborn Kellogg
7 months ago
Reply to  Alec

Remember the context–Jesus said He was returning, but didn’t give a timetable. He was just going to be gone long enough “to prepare a place for you” in a house which already had “many mansions.” When He was finished, He would come back to retrieve His bride. The Church knew that they knew neither the day nor the hour, but they certainly wouldn’t have expected that it would take thousands of years! Paul was saying, “If you can’t wait the few remaining months until you are translated into your sinless, incorruptible bodies, then by all means take up temporary status as married people, so that your sex drives won’t sully the Church’s reputation during the last few weeks of pre-Rapture human history.” This is also why the Church was willing to engage in voluntary communism, despite Jesus being anti-tax and comparing the Kingdom of God to a treasure hidden in a field or a pearl of great price–appealing to our capitalist greed to get us to convert. The Church thought that the new dispensation would only last a short transition period before the onslaught of either Heaven-on-Earth (trope namer!) or an Earth devoid of The Way. That turned out not to be the case, and so after a couple of centuries, the Church moved on to a self-conception of being in the world but not of the world (reversed by Augustine, so pay your taxes like good little citizens!).

Sam
Sam
7 months ago

Roosh, they are talking bad about you on Swoop

https://www.swooptheworld.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2281

Jared Fogel
Jared Fogel
7 months ago

Roosh is a sexy Persian conquerer-king

hermit
hermit
7 months ago

what I think you should do, is you should stop interacting with all the vermin here, namely, the internet. I am surprised you still didn’t get that it’s all vermin anyways. The few people who profess to be your friends today, will be your enemies tomorrow. And the rest will be pleased to see you suffer anyways. Why do you even speak to them at all, it’s beyond me.

tankhed
tankhed
7 months ago

Easier women require less effort, but that’s how it is with everything, getting true value requires serious effort. I’m living with my smashing looking 20 year old girl who I met as an 18 year old virgin and loves me above all else in the Philippines, and I use game principles all the time.

Roosh and I seem to have some different interpretations of game. Roosh always talks about how clown game isn’t really him, it works, but it takes effort, then he burns out and doesn’t think it’s worth it next time.

For me being smart and funny is how I love to behave. Hearing them laugh like they mean it, that spark in their eye… And telling them what to do comes natural because I know better than them how the world works. Feels like tao and game in one, like a cat loves hunting or a a parent takes care of their young. They would have liked it more if I were more of an authoritarian, I bet that feels like Roosh’ clown game gone sour. But that’s just a detail, and I get by well without using nuclear-power dark triad-game.

So I guess the conclusion should be find the expressions of game you feel comfortable with, in terms of religion, personal ethos, gut feeling, society, legality and everything else. And just dump the rest.

Kitty Tantrum
7 months ago
Reply to  tankhed

“I’m living with my smashing looking 20 year old girl who I met as an 18 year old virgin and loves me above all else in the Philippines, and I use game principles all the time.”

Right. So. Fornicating for a couple of years.

Plans to marry? Children? Future together? Is your game earning you a solid future, or another temporary, sterile distraction?

Alec
Alec
7 months ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

Also sounds like he is obsessing over his girl more than God, doesn’t he know Jesus says that a man must “hate his wife” to be his disciple?

Kitty Tantrum
7 months ago
Reply to  Alec

You also have to “hate” YOUR OWN LIFE. And your father, and your mother, and your children, and your brothers and sisters.

Which, uh, sounds kind of extreme – but the message there is certainly that worldly attachments must not supersede submission to God’s will. That is correct. Though I do wonder why you would pick on that one scripture and try to make it out like Jesus intended to sow seeds of enmity himself.

I learned the hard way that putting the love of a man before the love of God (no matter how much love for God you have; it only has to be the tiniest part smaller) is a sure path to ruin… and in rising again from that ruin, I have endured enmity from many for the perception that I will not allow my attachment to them to stand in the way of my adherence to Godly principles – including my own mother.

So pardon me if I balk a little at your out-of-context quotation there. It seems intended to inspire something other than careful consideration and understanding of true principles.

Alec
Alec
7 months ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

Yes you do have to hate your own life, which means denying yourself of sensual pleasures, for it is through sensual pleasures that we develop “love” for the world. As indicated in the Garden, Eve is more of a delighter in sensual pleasure than Adam, in fact Eve is the embodiment of sensual pleasure, that’s why the fruit was “pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom” to her. Men delight in the abstract, women delight in sensuality. Women delight in the world, men delight in women. Women are world-lovers, men are women-lovers. Men have to beyond their obsession with women, even their own wife. Women have to go beyond their delight in the world, and their pettiness. Why would Paul urge men and women both to remain celibate, if it were not the ideal expression of the Christian life? Jesus said his teaching would sow discord in the house, so he very well indeed does sow enmity. I mean just look at what happens when Pastor David Lynn or Brother Doree preaches Jesus’ word in the streets of Toronto, a lot of enmity. Jesus said people would persecute his followers because of his teaching, so no Jesus was not a hippy-dippy liberal trying to have everyone be pleased. It is clear marriage in the Christian life is for those who do not have the self-control to live up to Paul’s ideal of celibacy.

Alec
Alec
7 months ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

You’re lucky we live in the modern times because you can insert your opinion in a believer atmosphere, while the Holy Spirit in Paul decreed in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35: “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” Talk about sowing enmity.

Kitty Tantrum
7 months ago
Reply to  Alec

One man showing up waving his interpretation of scripture around does not a church make.

Kitty Tantrum
7 months ago
Reply to  Alec

And what’s all this about women asking their HUSBANDS at home, if people aren’t supposed to be married?

How much time have you even spent studying the scriptures? I see lots of quotations, yet no evidence of contextual understanding.

Alec
Alec
7 months ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

Celibacy is the highest ideal of Christian life. Marriage are for those Christians who do not have the self-control to live up to that ideal.

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
7 months ago
Reply to  Alec

Celibacy is NOT a Christian life ideal. Marriage and children is.

Totally misunderstanding of Paul’s letter to the Corinthians. He was dealing with a crisis in the Corinthian church in the 1st Century AD. I mean a man had his father’s wife (his stepmother) and people in the church were “high fiving” the man who did this.

The problem is that you are taking Paul’s letter out of context. To some celibacy is the idea; for others, marriage. Clearly had to be this way or the human population would end.

Celibacy will only work for some men and some women. It is not glorified above marriage.

1 Corinthians 7:2-9
“…each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband.”

Alec, please study actual Biblical scripture and please do not spread false theology. Only Catholic monks deprive themselves of marriage and many end up molesting young altar boys.

Virtually every other Christian sect, from Orthodox to Protestant to reformed… all allow and encourage their ministers to marry. The “priest” of an Orthodox church is The Patriarch, meaning the head of a family.

Unless you are going to be 100% dedicated to ministry and travel (i.e. Paul of Tarsus), marriage and children should be a goal of Christian men.

Just saying.

Alec
Alec
7 months ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

My other comment didn’t go through which was supposed to be before the one with Paul’s verse on women remaining quiet in the Church, so I’ll write it again. Indeed, you do have to hate your own life, which means denying yourself of sensual pleasures, which I know is much harder for women because women delight in the world much more than men, while men delight in the world through women. Sensual pleasures are the primary means for us to develop a “love” for the world. In the Garden it is clear that Eve is a delighter of sensual pleasures more than Adam, and in fact, is the very embodiment of sensual pleasure, which is why the fruit looked, “pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom” to her. Men take delight in the abstract more, women delight in sensuality. Women take delight in the world, men delight in women. Women are world-lovers, men are women-lovers. Men need to go beyond their obsession with women, even their own wife. Women need to go beyond their delight in the world, and their pettiness. Jesus said his teaching would create enmity in one’s own household, so I don’t know what Bible you’ve been reading. Why would the Holy Spirit in Paul urge both men and women to be unmarried and celibate? It is clear that marriage in the Christian life are for those who do not have the self-control to live up to Paul’s ideal of celibacy.

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
7 months ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

You seem to really hate Game, Kitty. That is because you know it works, not only on sinful women, but also as a tool-set of principles and strategies to manage and grow within even a Christian-based marriage. That has been my case, BTW.

Pre-marital fornication is what virtually every single woman does these days. The world today is inter-connected and Western culture has spread virtually everywhere via online, movies, music, and even clothing styles. The Western trend of sexual liberalization is global now.

Women are raised to be “feral” while boys are raised to be weak, compliant betas. Women are raised to act like promiscuous men and men are trained to act like wimpy virgin betas.

dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/raising-feral-females/

I hate to cite Dalrock again, but the guy has spent over a decade discussing this subject.

You can see how you seem angry at a man fornicating but not angry at the woman. This is because your societal programming is so powerful to be misandrist.

I am not justifying the man’s fornication. But I hear no condemnation from you of THE WOMAN whom he is fornicating with. Just saying.

Kitty Tantrum
7 months ago
Reply to  Christian Cool

Christian Cool: I don’t know how exactly you came to the conclusion that I “hate game” (I bought three copies of “Game” myself – had two of them signed, gifted one so far to a former co-worker who was down on his luck trying to find a relationship, also keeping one around indefinitely for reference, as a mom raising boys who hopes to be a grandma one day). I’m just agreeing with Roosh – that it WON’T have the same effect on all women.

I understand perfectly well how our culture has gone to crap, you really don’t have to explain that to me. I was neither raised nor programmed in the manner you have described. I was raised by my father, who was “red-pilling” me before that stupid Matrix movie even existed – before some of the guys here who would condescend to me, as though I’m some kinda feminist harpy, were even BORN. I’ve also been reading and following closely ’round these parts for a solid six years. I don’t really need the cliff notes.

I have no ANGER for the man fornicating – just pointing out that that’s ALL IT IS. He’s like “no, game is good for more than just fallen women and I can prove this because I’ve been fornicating with this hottie for two whole years.” Cool – you’ve just supported the statement that game is for fallen women, not disproved it. That’s what it netted you: a fallen woman. But stating that his circumstance qualifies as fornication is EQUALLY condemning of the woman. They are BOTH fornicating. But I was speaking to him – not her.

You’re reading things into my statements that are not there – based on your own biases against women, and your assumption that I hold the same liberalized misandrist perspective as the rest of the lot.

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
6 months ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

Kitty: The problem is that Game is not a book. It is not “stuff you spit out to get women in bed”. Game is a toolkit full of different tools that you employ in a variety of situations and life.

Take Amused Mastery and Dread. Two tools of Game. Both are mostly used in LTRs and marriage. I know this because I was married over 12 years and very happy almost all of it. I had to employ such tools because unless we were living and had a “support group” around us like a church and she had good co-workers (not whores to drag her to happy hour and incite her to bad behavior) , I had to deploy AM and the rare dose of Dread with careful thought and specificity. It became a necessity to keep the relationship in check.

As time went by, I had to deploy this less and less, as she and I aged together and as always, women lose beauty at a much higher rate then men as they both age. I became the trophy husband and she became my adored wife/life partner. Our roles simply changed, but I appreciated the relationship and love we had together.

You lucked out, that is for sure. I am Gen X man, 37 years old. Divorced parents of course, but I was fortunate to at least have a weekend father who was always a part of my life and a truly great mom and solid extended family structure. I was raised mostly Alpha. Most boys did not have such luxury, though.

You were also lucky then. Very few women today have the luxury of growing up with a father at home. Most men are in same boat, and for young boys it is even worse.

http://imageupper.com/s12/1/9/E15829745572274243_1.jpg

This post here was stunning to me and I checked it, Dalrock wrote something about this as well and the stats are solid.

The thing is that unless a man is truly a natural Alpha, rich/famous, or extremely good-looking, for him to “fornicate around” is really hard. The paradigm has shift where women are doing most of the fornicating wildly these days.

And the thing is men are the only ones shamed for it today. Women are called “strong, independent, and empowered” for doing it.

Trust me, no misandry here on my end. I enjoy women’s company and LTRs because I understand what I am dealing with. I simply accept life and reality for what it is. I cannot change it and I have to work around it. I do not blame women as a whole. Terms like AWALT are simply absurd, one cannot lump an entire gender, race, species, etc as all being exactly the same. AWALT is absurd. There is much nuance to life.

Men enjoy plenty of shaming for any behavior they engage in (good or bad), false criminal accusations, and are absolutely eviscerated in Anglo-country courtrooms when falsely accused of crimes, divorce, etc. That is why so many are opting out of marriage and even relationships completely.

I actually think “fallen women” are the least of our problems this day and age.

Christian Cool
Christian Cool
6 months ago
Reply to  Kitty Tantrum

Kitty, do you even understand just how unbalanced out society has became in male-female relationships? If a patriarchy ever existed in North America, it has been gone for at least 70 to 100 years, if not longer.

There is simply no comparison between the disparity between genders today. I am mean it.

This is probably one of the best articles on the topic:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/13/metoo-movement-destroying-trust-men-women/

Honestly, if trust and relations between men and women do not improve, I seriously can see the end of loving relationships for the most part. It will be a luxury for a very small minority of the population.

I personally hope that the types of good relationships men and women enjoyed during the Gen X period do continue, who knows, miracles do happen. But it is a tough climb for sure.

Vancity
Vancity
7 months ago

Roosh, I’ve been a reader of your website and work for 7-8 years now, and I’ve purchased and read most of your books. I almost never comment on your posts.

Your writing has always been great, high quality work, funny and the most important part for me, unmistakably honest. Never once have I thought you were bullshitting a story or even exaggerating, which is rare.

Your game tips and advice over the years has helped me immensely with women, but also just with being a better, more confident man overall in all aspects of life. And for that I am eternally grateful to you.

I respect your recent transition to becoming a religious man, and will continue to read what you write. I’m agnostic myself, with a sense of spirituality but do not pray or practice any form of worship. But I do have a strong sense of morals and do not use the skills I’ve learned from you to sleep with as many women as possible. I use The skills I’ve learned in regular family and friend relationships, in my corporate workplace environment and yes, also with women as being a confident and alpha man does bring benefits in all aspects of life.

I have to disagree with your blanket statement in this article of (Paraphrasing here): “any woman you have to run game on is not worth it. Only if she sees you as a gift from God is she worth it.” This is far too limiting of a belief. Even in today’s deteriorating climate there are still high quality, loyal women looking for a soulmate and life partner. There is always going to be a cost/benefit analysis of any relationship romantic or otherwise done by both parties (religious or not), and this is natural and logical. A woman doesn’t need to “view you as a gift from God” to fall in love with you and be loyal to you. And your early game advice has helped many men (like myself) get their foot in the door with a high quality woman and if personalities match and you both treat each other with respect then you are golden.

I guess my point is I kind of sense you are feeling a lot of guilt and shame in a lot of your earlier work, and I want to tell you that you shouldn’t! Even though yes many men have used your skills strictly to get laid, I think there are many others like myself who have taken what you’ve taught and applied it in ways that have helped them in both personal and professional settings to better themselves while maintaining respect and boundaries of others. Don’t beat yourself up too much. You’re a good and honest person and you have helped a lot of people. I wish you peace and prosperity on your journey.

bandido
bandido
7 months ago

“The proof of the pudding is in the eating”

RickyKay
RickyKay
7 months ago

Roosh,
Over 10 years ago I read these takes from social pathologist on game theory & application according to his understanding of Christian ethics – and they have actually guided how I’ve interpreted all the information I’ve digested from blogs such as yours and others on game.

https://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2009/11/zen.html

https://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2009/10/game-theory.html

Interesting to observe the different paths you both seem to have taken.

Ricky

JRotten
JRotten
7 months ago
Reply to  RickyKay

I hope Roosh reads these links and comments.

Vespasian
Vespasian
7 months ago
Reply to  RickyKay

Thanks a lot you posted these links. I heard of this blog and found out that I bookmarked his article on promiscuity and correlation to marital satisfaction. That’s a similar experience I made in college. I haven’t had much experience with women when I started college, and when I started getting to know the girls on campus I found out they don’t offer much – there were a few great exceptions but these exceptions (unfortunately) didn’t go anywhere.

When I came back to the Faith, I slowly acted more and more different. I evaluated girls by the way they talked, acted, and dressed and it disqualified a great lot for me. Soon I prevented looking lustfully at them most of the time (though summers were hell), watched less porn and did less of what goes with it. In the beginning, it brought me great despair, but I had to believe and pull through. With many months passing by, my heart was changed. The beliefs and practices I did in the past months were parts of my character now, and contrary to all my expectations, my friends, acquaintances and even strangers had a great deal of respect towards me. They saw that my words weren’t mere words, but that I actually followed through with what I was saying, and more girls, especially the type of girls I liked, flocked to me. In short, they never met a Christian like me.

A year after that change, it was the desperation for women that haunted me and began breaking my moral principles bit by bit. That’s were everything God had given me was taken away. Now, by the grace of God, am I rebuilding my soul again.

Consistency and integrity, that’s all a man is.

God bless you.

spg
spg
6 months ago
Reply to  Vespasian

Great post man. A real man is a man of virtue.

ChristiansakatheRealchosenpeople
ChristiansakatheRealchosenpeople
7 months ago

You didn’t waste 15 years because God knew what he had in mind for you.Would you be the man you are and be the powerful witness you are without those years.Would so many be ready to listen to you if you hadn’t first had those trials.God bless you brother in Christ.

conservative2019
conservative2019
7 months ago

Roosh, do you remember this piece you wrote in 2014? “NO ONE WOULD HAVE DIED IF PUAHATE KILLER ELLIOT RODGER LEARNED GAME.” This statement still rings true today.

Giampaolo
Giampaolo
7 months ago

One thing that I *never* bought about ‘game/lay reports/pua analysis’ is that claim that ‘
We, successful seducers/PUAs sleep with promiscuous women, who’ll purposely have sex with as many men as possible, but also with ‘good girls’ on their ‘occasional indiscretion’ . Implying that their seduction skills are so spectacular, that they could even make an otherwise chaste girl with high self control sleep with them.

What a load of BS. The very notion of a ‘good girl’ (aka chaste, with high moral values) is completely antithetical to “Meet a PUA and suck his johnson 3 hours later’.

Alec
Alec
7 months ago
Reply to  Giampaolo

Agreed. There are few truly “good” women, best to remain in God’s Presence and to shun female contact unless you know forsure she is a good woman. Better to grind one’s teeth then to sell ourselves short, we are the inheritors of eternal life, where no one will be married, why waste so much energy on something that will be dissolved in the Kingdom anyway?