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I recently signed up for my first NRA gun training class. I will soon be taking the NRA Basic Steps Pistol class. People who have known me for a while would probably be surprised by that. I didn’t grow up around guns and I have not touched a gun in years.

My only experience with guns was back in college. I took a rifle class for P.E. credit. I used to lift weights on my own and I didn’t want to waste P.E. credits on some athletics class, so I figured I would try something different. The rifles in that class were long barrel .22’s meant for target competition. Somehow those rifles didn’t feel like real guns because a .22 is such a small bullet that when fired from a long gun like that, there was no noise at all. It was just a light pull of the trigger and then “click”. I never thought a gun would go “click”. Guns were supposed to go “BOOM!”.

Now that I am in a serious relationship and getting past my college years, it’s looking like I could be a husband and father within 5 years. That realization has caused some powerful “Defend My Family” DNA programing to kick in. I am obsessed with the need to defend my future family from harm. If a bad guy broke into my home and hurt my future wife or children, I would feel like a complete failure as a man.

I know what every anti-gun person is thinking right now. “But guns are dangerous!”…”You could have an accident and shoot yourself!”…”The criminal could steal the gun and use it against you!” Whatever. I could get into a car accident too, but we don’t think of cars as dangerous nor ever suggest a family shouldn’t own one because 40,000 people a year die in car accidents.

The gun control advocates crack me up. Oh sure, let’s ban guns in a nation full of guns. That logic worked pretty well during Prohibition and the War On Drugs, didn’t it? Ban guns and all those guns just disappear like all that marijuana did. And, of course, a gun ban makes all those criminals suddenly stop breaking the law and agree to commit crimes with without them. Great thinking, man.

I suspect this post will piss everyone off because so many people think guns are pure evil. To some, saying one is pro-gun is like saying one is pro-child abuse. I don’t care. I do not intend to throw myself at the mercy of a criminal who invades my home and intends to hurt my family. If I take on the responsibility starting a family, I also accept the responsibility of protecting my family through every legal means at my disposal.

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Chaco you have a valid point in the protecting your family from potential threats, but as a person who grew up with guns I have to disagree with your methidology of thinking. Yes a gun could protect you and your family from a predator, but if you have a child you should keep your gun locked up in a safe place with the bullets somewhere else in the house. If there was a burglar, do you really think you would have time to go get your gun then go get your bullets from another place in the house?
You said you are the one that is taking the NRA course. I suggest that if you are going to get a gun, make sure your children attend the same course the second they are old enough.

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Grew up with guns? Doesn’t make you an expert, clearly. With it all locked up and separated, how is he supposed to access it in the seconds required, should he need it? Former LEO here and also “grew up with guns.”

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and you believe in keeping a gun in your home?
and if you do, will it remain loaded or will you have to go unlock it, find the bullets, load it Then head downstairs in order to defend your family?

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yeah, it won’t do you much good locked in a box somewhere…sleep with it under your pillow.

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If you want to deter burglars you should get an alarm system.

The “defend yourself” logic is bunk.

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Statistics and my personal experience say otherwise.

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gun control is stupid because:
1) the 2nd amendment is very clear
2) the reason the 2nd amendment was written was to give citizens power over their government, not vice verca
3) most people who kill each other with guns obtain guns illegally. making tighter gun control laws won’t stop people who already break the law

duh

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Amen.

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Kids drown in five gallon buckets all the time. Let’s ban five gallon buckets while we’re at it! We’ve all seen the following but just in case:

Guns vs. Doctors (for all of you gun control freaks out there)

Doctors:

– The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
– Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (and they cause millions more with known-to-be-fatal prescription drugs and unnecessary surgeries.)
– Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services.)

Guns:

– The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
– The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
– The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 000188.

(Statistics courtesy of F.B.I.)

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember, “Guns don’t kill people, doctors do.”

FACT: Not everyone has a gun, but almost everyone has at least one doctor.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat immediatley. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

Note: Out of concern for the public at large, the statistics on lawyers have been withheld for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.

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http://www.websitement-tm.com/Darwin/Content/Guns-vs-Doctors.asp

Kids drown in five gallon buckets all the time, lets ban them while we’re at it! Fuck it, ban kids.

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I was basically asking because I think it’s retarded to have a gun in the home, so if you kept it locked, you’re stupid cause it’ll take you forever (and noisy) to get to it and get it ready to use, Mr. Bond.

but more over, if you keep it out and ready (wherever you want), then the family you’re ready to protect, could find it and just like the commercial, blow their fucking heads off!

so good luck protecting your family. pft

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Unless your family has an ounce of common sense. Seems yours does not. Not everyone is as irresponsible or mentally challenged.

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I took that class. Are you going to the one they offer in Virginia? I forget where it was, but it was about half an hour south of DC. If so, careful…the shooting is fun but the anti-gun control lecturing is sanctimonious.

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Sigh, you keep the gun in a locked safe. You then have another gun “lying around” to shoot the lock off the safe to get your first gun!

Or, you can buy a stun gun. That way, when the kids find it and play with it while you’re at work, they won’t die. However, you’ll probably be a good parent and teach them to not to “play” with dangerous things.

It would be scary enough to have an unwanted person in the house. However, I think it would be less traumatizing for a young child to see a criminal stunned and knocked out as opposed to seeing a criminal’s brain matter and blood splattered on the furniture, carpet and walls.

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SIGH!!!!!!!!!

“However, I think it would be less traumatizing for a young child to see a criminal stunned and knocked out as opposed to seeing a criminal’s brain matter and blood splattered on the furniture, carpet and walls.”

Not as traumatizing as seeing his father’s brain matter and blood splattered in the furniture, carpet, and walls.

SIGH!!!!!!!!!!

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While watching his mother getting raped.

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You’re right, Irina…the second ammendment is very clear. So what well organized militia are you in?

The intent is debatable, not in it’s intent that citizens should be able to own guns, but in the intent of just anyone under any circumstance owning a gun. There’s a reason that it reads the way it does.

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And since the Supreme Court has decided this in “Heller,” your comment looks even more moronic than it did at the time.

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“Until some of the high tech safety measures gun manufacturers are working on become readily available, we recommend electronic gun safes. They are rare and require some searching in order to find, but they are well worth it. These safes are keypad-controlled (on the better ones, the keypad is illuminated for night). When the combination is punched in, they swing open.

There is no fumbling with safety guard locks or searching desperately for your keys in the middle of a crisis. They are wall mounted next to your bed and unobtrusive. On the better ones, they will automatically lock down if three attempts to hack in are made. Thereby preventing a teen from sitting there punching in numbers to find the combo.

These safes allow the fully loaded and functional gun is accessible within seconds to someone who knows the combination and safely protected from teenagers, children and burglars”

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/homedefense.html

Where I live store clerks are shot dead routinely over $50. Not this one below however.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cbe822207e

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took the class, very basic, not too much lecture about rights. have gun, unloaded under bed with mag nearby. no kids, spouse knows how to use it and took same class.
doubtful it will ever get used, most break-ins here happen during the day. if the criminal ran the other way, wouldnt shoot. if they came at me i would fire.
interesting topic for this blog.

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The electrical shock it would take to ‘take down’ an average male intruder would certainly do damage to a child’s brain given the difference in size/weight.

Either way, try spending the money on a security system instead of learning to shoot..unless it’s yourself

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Actually, the second amendment ISN’T that clear. Historically speaking it gave the right for the masses to organize a militia. It does not specifically say anything about the right of private gun ownership, let alone for self defense. Not saying I believe this should be banned, but recognize there is a great deal of debate over this issue by people on both sides a lot more well read and intelligent than us.

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“Not as traumatizing as seeing his father’s …”

Don’t get mad and shoot me! I agree entirely. I was under the assumption that stun guns can actually “shoot.” If I’m wrong, then yes, a stun gun vs. bullet gun is a loss for the stun gun.

Either way, if it’s the criminal’s intent to invade a home while the family’s there for the specific purpose of shooting the father, I don’t think any weapon he may own (gun, stun gun, any sharp or heavy object) increases his chance of survival.

That aside, I think a wild west standoff with a bloody ending can be avoided by investing in a security system (and using it).

I just don’t think its use needs to be the primary form of protection for a family. That’s what the post seems to imply.

I don’t think guns should be banned. If a bad guy enters the house, you gotta do what you gotta do. In fact, it should probably be legal to carry in Adams Morgan.

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I’m with Chaco on this. I’ve never trusted the government to protect me, my friends, or my family. They never have, and I don’t think it ever will. The government is better at solving crime days, weeks, years after the crime has occured. Which is really a feel-good statement when you have to face the truth that at the moment a crime takes place against you or loved ones, the government is not there. It is this extra reason why I choose to arm myself: because I value my life and the life of those close to me very highly. And, I would defend these values at any point and at any cost when faced with violence.

To add to his reasoning for owning a gun, I would also mention the importance of teaching the children gun safety as well.

There is only one reason I would be scared to have a gun at my side. This would be when a para-military police force serves a no-knock warrant at the wrong address (my house). Thinking they are intruders (because they’ve failed to identify themselves), I would most certainly fire at them and get killed myself in this scenario . Sadly, this is an increasing trend here in the U.S.

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Why don’t we just ban children? Then there will be no one to traumatize. I shot guns all the time when I was younger. I haven’t considered owning one, but if I did, I can guarantee you that anyone breaking into my house is in a world of trouble. I don’t want anyone’s life on my conscience, even someone breaking in to steal my stuff, which is why I aim for knees. Blast out their kneecaps and let them scream for a few minutes before I bother to call an ambulance. That’s how it ought to be done in this world.

Law and Order or PAIN!
Civil disobedience is STILL DISOBEDIENCE!

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“I suspect this post will piss everyone off”
Please. You HOPE that this post will piss people off. And you are trying too hard. Too bad no matter what you or dcb say lately, your readers still think it’s genious. YAWN. I’m so over this blog.

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Kat- get a life. I am a regular reader and frankly, I could have done without this post. If you don’t like this blog, then don’t read it and don’t comment.

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Word. Just be glad you have that luxury. Living in DC, I can’t own a handgun. Which is upsetting.

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I should’ve read the comments before I posted. I agree with Chaco and Thomas. The thing about a piece is that you hope you never need to use, but if you do need to use it, you need it immediately. It’s not a common scenario where you need something instantly, like a headache. Having being mugged in the past, I hold less regard for perps, as I think we all should. They are the ones violating my rights.

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One girl’s perspective:
I learned to have a healthy respect for guns from my father(he’s a hunter) well before taking a gun safty course at age 13.
I grew up target shooting with a BB gun and graduated to clay pigeons with a 12 gauge shotgun

Love to shoot; don’t own a gun.
I do keep a baseball bat under the bed ๐Ÿ™‚

The best home protection is common sense.
Have an alarm system, keep your cell phone on and next to your bed…etc.

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Oooh, I see that I’ve been crowned. Nope. Still over it. Meow!

P.S. To Dude: Nah

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every man should shoot a gun at least once in his life. it is the properly masculine and righteous thing to do.

for those who piss themselves yellow at the mere thought of firearms, would you rather an alarm system have your back?

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Interesting debates where it is one thing or the other. You can have both. Sometimes all 3 The Alarm system They get by that the dog, They get by that the gun. Gun being last resort but if someone still comes in with the alarm going off, knocks your dog out, what are you gonna do with your bare hands. Woman should all have NRA memberships as what else is gonna stop a man with evil intent from messing with you in your house. My ex felt way more comfortable with me going to the field in the army when she had her 9 mm. She was scared at first of the gun. I took her to the range taught her how to shoot. She had a great time, and understood how to protect herself. We are never quite as civilized as we think. Look at the breakdown of certain countries to where you need a gun to have any chance of defending yourself. Oh wait yea look at New Orleans, L.A Riots, walking through the hill district in Pittsburg. (World with no guns?)Knives kill people to but who would have the advantage in a knifefight criminal or your wife the accountant.

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While you are at it learn martial arts as well. If the guy gets in and has a gun, there is little chance you will be able to get to your gun before he gets on off. However, if he walks in with a knife, bat, or something else other than a gun, then you have a very good chance of subduing him and getting to your gun should it be necessary. I’ve been mugged three times actually (once in India, twice in London) and found my martial arts training to be a much more use than having a gun in my bedroom (though I do understand that your idea is to protect your family in the home, it is far more likely that they will be in danger outside the home).

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Re: Kat

“…your readers still think it’s genious. YAWN. I’m so over this blog.”

Bwahahaha.

What a fucking dolt.

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Hmm, much less hate than I thought. Good to know others feel the same as I do about the need for personal protection. A few responses:

Kat – I don’t try to provoke anyone. However, I note that people who read this blog seem bored unless you actually do provoke them, but that is another topic.

b & others – I would never rely on just a gun to protect my family. My girl is very much against violence and I have promised her that I would buy whatever alarms and other security devices are necessary to insure that a gun is the very LAST option to be used. While no security system is 100% foolproof, with the right external lighting, alarms, door and window jams, and non-lethal weapons like pepper spray, you can make it VERY difficult for a criminal to get inside and want to stay for long. In the event a criminal is so determined to fight past all those defensive measures, then that is what a gun is for.

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People tend to forget that the Bill of Rights is intended as a list of responsibilities as well. You’re granted freedom of speech, so you better damn well use it, or you’re squandering your citizenship, and so on. In the same vein, the 2nd amendment also says you really should be able to be part of a militia as needed, which means you should at least know how to safely operate firearms, even if you don’t intend to own one. But be wary, once you start thinking of using offensive force to defend your way of life is a good idea, it’s a short jump to neoconservativism.
And, frankly, a pistol is in general a very poor weapon to deter a burglar or other criminal. If you really want to defend your family, get a 12 gauge Mossberg. It’s much easier to aim in the dark and most criminals will jump out the window pissing themselves just from hearing you pump it, delivering you from the ‘brains all over the floor’ scenario.

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Or a 20 guage for that matter as it’s much more controllable and just about as deadly and no less a deterrent.

This is a serious freaking decision and don’t assume somekind of home invincibility when armed with gun. A well trained cop, soldier or experienced criminal can sometimes take that gun from you in a heartbeat… and most likely yours will beating out your chest in a moment like that.

Recent national statistics show that for every 100 pistol shots fired by police in close exchange only 17 hit the mark.

Stress does that. Years ago a hard old con robbed a jewlery store behind my house and was coming over my fence when the cops brought him down in a running gunfight. It’s not like TV and was scary as hell watching out my window with no gun the in house. If I had one then I would’ve gone for it when I heard the first shots, the bastard was coming at me ….lol.

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Your defending your house and that is Offensive?
Offensive is what we are doing in Somalia. Or let’s say your 2 college friends are being held hostage in a house with someone waving a gun around. You see it and go to call the police. By the time they come the 2 kids have been taken away in a vehicle to be killed for there mac cards. Now if you were carrying a gun you could have saved there lives by going on offense. Is that what you mean? To many situations like that happen in real. It’s what happens when a 100 families are moved to a town to meet a qouta. The place turns into a violent area(surprize, surprize). Scenario repeats itself over and over. Growing gangsters like a farmer grows lettuce.

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it’s possible to say something intelligent on the pro-gun side, but you’ve managed to avoid doing so.

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Well if you shoot anything like you blog your in some possible dangerous shit bro. Why don’t you just move to idaho where you only have to worry about Mormons, rattlesnakes, and meth heads…

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No one’s going to break into your house to harm you or your family. You’re not that important.

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My..my, if this blog is a representation of America and idealogy…as the Judas Priest song went: “…You got another thing coming…”

Hint: CWP (Concealed Weapons Permit) are no big deal to obtain, the knowledge to use (when needed) a firearm is both expensive AND priceless. It is not the answer, but just a tool to consider in it useage.

Law enforcement has no perogative to assist/save you in a crises situation. They are sworn to protect society as a whole, not the individual!

Take some REAL classes from some serious outfits before you even think of having a handgun.

Hint (from my training days..private contractor/bizjet pilot)
for home security: a 12 guage shotgun with a maglite and one GOOD trainer/class

yfainc.com (teaches tactical shotgun, one of the best I ever learned from)

defense-training.com (contract instructor for street tactics course for fbi agents in training)

insightstraining.com** for an extremely comprehensive view of multiple weapons systems (only a fool has just one weapon). Read the FAQ’s

for personal/family security: a folding blade knives (at least two) with several classes** for useage. A whole lot better in the 21′ threat enviroment.

spyderco.com or benchmade.com (these are not toys, but tools)

Correlation of a thesis: (bare with me)

Just because one can have a Commerical pilot license in 250 flt hrs (assuming that the individual is typed for a specific ship) does not make a qualified and knowledgeable pilot. Yes, that 250 hr pilot can legally fly a Learjet or Cessna Citation, but no insurance company (or flight dept) will touch the person. Try like min 1500 flt hrs for 1st officer (co-pilot) and a whole lot more (say 2500-5000 flt hours) for a captain (left seat), There is NO substiute (sp) for a knowledge base.

Good luck……

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If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns.

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I say a dog is a good addition to the alarm system. The thing you have to be careful of is if you live in a condo or townhouse or even a house that in near another house. A high impact weapon could very well go through walls and kill your neighbor. I think your neighbor might frown on it. Consider low caliber weapons like a .22 or .38. You can still use hollow points or stingers and cause nifty damage to an intruder’s insides. There are even bullets out there that are gel-like and will kill the intruder but if it hits a wall, splat, no killing the neighbor’s kids.

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Doodads.
If you mean PolyShock gel slugs they’re unavailable to the private citizen because of insurance company issues. To mass produce them and insure himself against lawsuit claims is beyond the makers financial status. Great idea and does just what you claim.

http://www.polyshok.com/

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“Hint: CWP (Concealed Weapons Permit) are no big deal to obtain”

Just try telling that to the people who live in DC. ROFLZLOLOLOLZ.

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Yes one of the places like nyc or ca that have so many rules and treat adults like kids. Curfew for adults coming soon to a zone near you. Remember how shitty the russians had it because they had checkpoints and always had to produce papers when stopped by police elements. Also how the people were encouraged to tell on other people for things like maybe not liking the government. I think that happened in
Germany at some point too didn’t it. roflzlolololz Having read the majority of these blogs I just feel sorry for people who live in DC
Makes for interesting reading though lol

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I hated living in DC and not being able to own a gun. I knew the thugs had them and I fortunately made them realize I was crazier than they were when they contemplated mugging me. Funny how criminals are such pussies if they think they they’ll get hurt in the process. You can own guns in DC if you speak out against them and your name is Carl Rowan.

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?Hint: CWP (Concealed Weapons Permit) are no big deal to obtain?

Just try telling that to the people who live in DC. ROFLZLOLOLOLZ.

Liz, sweetie, in a hostile (ie anti gun) environment…where just a few block from K street (Yep, I know DC. Use to fly clients a/c for their timber & mining intrests and lobby groups) every half assed Gang Banger is carrying and the cops know…it behoves the civilian to buy an unregistered (used) weapon in a gun friendly state (think south of the Mason-Dixon line) for cash.

If you cannot execute the logistics, do not worry as I sure one can score a unit from an enterprising minority. Oh, and remember that it is considered a ‘throw away’…should you have the need (or balls) to use it.

DC=CA, really as the powers that be are terrified that civilians can handle their affairs without authority groups managing….

btw Chicago tossed (last year)its CWP into lake Michigan. Care to wager that all those law abiding citizens no longer carry? LMFAO!

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“Now that I am in a serious relationship and getting past my college years, itโ€™s looking like I could be a husband and father within 5 years.”

Isn’t it great to look back on what you’ve written and laugh at your youthful naivety?