Guys Who Use Their Race To Pick Travel Spots

A while back I posted the Totem Pole Of Race Attractiveness, where I list which races are preferred by Western men and women. I added that a potential application for men can be to help decide which countries to go to, but unfortunately I’ve noticed that many are using race as the deciding factor.

The travel forum is littered with comments from guys not only asking about a country’s girls or prime spots, but whether their race is welcome there. If someone cannot confirm that girls will immediately open their pussies for them, a guy hems and haws or picks somewhere else.

How is having a mindset of “I will only go for girls who I know already like me” not pathetic and weak? It’s just an indirect way to minimize the fear of rejection. I don’t care how “hard” a country is, or whether you’re white, black, Asian, or Indian, but game is game and if you got it then you should be able to fuck a decent chick in a reasonable amount of time no matter where you go. You don’t want to work for pussy? Then you deserve a fat American chick with attitude. Traveling solely because you want easy pickens puts you one short step away from the beer-bellied whoremonger. If Asian guys can pull white chicks in America and black guys can pull girls in Thailand, then you have no excuse.

I understand that a lot of guys don’t have the time and money to do big explorations, that they only want to travel somewhere easy, but the rub is that nowhere is easier than America. If you can’t get laid here with some consistency then you will be grossly disappointed with your two-week vacation in Colombia or Eastern Europe. The best indicator I can tell you of how well you’ll do abroad is how well you do at home. Finding girls, meeting girls, communicating with them, contacting them, and figuring out their sexual norms will all be harder in a foreign country.

My advice to you is to pick a spot that you’re curious about in something besides the women. I didn’t go to Iceland because I heard the women were great (just the opposite), but I wanted to experience living on an island near the Arctic Circle with its five hours of sunlight a day. The women were secondary. And as much as I like Brazilian women, I like the Brazilian culture even more. I feel like I fit into the country, and my travels there are not just about finding the hottest women but finding the city that is most comfortable for me to live in. Soon I’ll be stepping foot into countries where I’ve heard almost universally negative reports about the women (and their dislike for hairy men who look Muslim), but that plays no part in my selection process. I don’t care what the women like—I only care what I like. And my experience tells me that I can get what I want as long as I focus and work for it.

Travel solely to get with women and you will not be satisfied. Unless you completely move to another country, it will be tough for you to get much better that what you already get.

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Roosh you’re on fire lately, the last few posts have been exceptional and ring very true. As someone who has lived in a foreign country (Chile), I would add that once you do find a country you enjoy being in for reasons that go beyond the women, you can very rapidly adapt to the local culture by learning the customs, language, making friends, etc., which by itself will bring large improvements in your game. The first five months abroad were rough for me, but I can now pull better and easier in Chile than I can in the US. Then again, I’m also convinced that this has something to do with the fact that I’m a Gringo, but the key is that I’m a Gringo who knows the girls’ language and culture and not just another drunk tourist. Moral of the story, find a place that fits with your goals and lifestyle, put in the work to acculturate yourself, and the women will come. Going somewhere just because you think the girls will be easy is getting it exactly backwards.

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“Travel solely to get with women and you will not be satisfied.”

do anything solely to get with women and you will not be satisfied. david deida and roissy explain this quite clearly.

from roissy’s sixteen commandments:

“III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be The One or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is ‘your everything’. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.”

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One of the reasons I don’t read your forum much anymore is because every third thread is “___ IS GREAT FOR BLACK GUYS!” or “WHERE IS IT EASIEST TO SCORE WOMEN?”. The trolling and mis-information has nearly drowned out any useful advice for guys who are trying to learn about different destinations. It’s so incredibly easy to spot the sex tourists in Eastern Europe: they’re always alone or with a big wolf pack of dudes. I agree 100% with your sentiment that guys who are terrible with women in the US — where women picking up men is actually a phenomenon! — will be shit everywhere else. I laugh when I read about Eastern Europe being an “easy” place to pick up women; it’s probably one of the hardest places in the world, infinitely harder than the US. And the race factor in Eastern Europe…well, I’ll just say this: even if the women of Eastern Europe absolutely loved darker-skin guys, it’d be a hell of feat to get past the skinheads ready to fight at a moment’s notice to get to them.

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In all honesty, spending a grand just to get a new flag seems like an awful investment to me if that is the only reason you are going. I just couldn’t justify the cost per bang. Sure getting laid abroad should be one of the goals but having brand new experiences should be the #1 priority.

I understand that the travel forum is all about getting laid but I agree that the ease of lay should not be the determining factor of where to go.

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“I understand that the travel forum is all about getting laid”

It’s really not. At first it was a great resource for finding new travel destinations that seemed interesting. Sure, I’m a man, one thing I want to do when I go abroad (or go anywhere) is try to get laid. But I also want to go to good bars, nice beaches, adventure tours, etc., and enjoy the place.

But now every thread is about how to get laid in Phuket, Buenos Aires, or Riga because “GIRLS LOVE BLACK/INDIAN/MIDDLE EASTERN/ASIAN DUDES THERE!”

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agree with Peoloom, one more reason for not reading the forum anymore are some dudes giving “advice”… they should better shut up about things they dont know anything about.
i consider this a big problem for the credibility and quality of this forum.

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Roosh on some level you are right but a lot of guys don’t want to work their game, they don’t have any freakin’ game, they just want to go where women won’t look at them like they have two heads. I’m sure Brazil is great on a non-sexual level, but a big part of the reason you love it has to be the response of the women. Sucking down exhaust fumes on Ave. Las Vegas in Medellin, I still think, “What a lovely and exotic country” because I am a prince there.

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Depends on what you want –

If you need ego validation from women liking you, then game is all that matters – in fact it’s better for you to go to countries where your race is not liked.

You simply want poon, go where it’s easiest for you.

I’ve always said for many game is more about being validated by women than about actually getting sex.

If you have a mature ego and all you care about is sex with hot girls and ego validation from women seems “pathetic and weak”, go to the countires where it is easiest for you

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I’ve noticed it’s usually the same 5 forum members who bring back the conversation to the race issue.

In most countries (ie, not thailand or peru), this shit will only have a marginal effect on your end results. But your own _belief_ of a possible foreign or race advantage can propel your game to new heights.

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People who haven’t lived in another country (with a completely different dominating race) really don’t understand the effect your race has on how others perceive you (I lived just outside Tokyo, Japan for 2 years).

Just as Roosh pointed out, your game won’t mean shit in countries like Iran simply because of the cultural differences. There are a lot of other factors at work for and against the “foreigner”, regardless of race. There are plenty of countries where you will be perceived as “exotic stud” by X race in X country and an “inferior outsider” in Y race in Y country.

The totem pole of race attractiveness absolutely affects the way you are perceived. The lower you are, the more difficult it will be in various countries, it’s just a fact of life.

I agree that you can test your “true” gaming skill by going to a country where your race might be a weakness for you, but I don’t think that should deter someone from going to an “easy” country.

“How is having a mindset of “I will only go for girls who I know already like me” not pathetic and weak? It’s just an indirect way to minimize the fear of rejection”

For the majority of men out there (especially those just learning game), going to a country that is a “challenge” is merely a waste of cash.

If that’s your bag or you get paid to travel, great. But for the rest of the bunch, I see nothing wrong with taking the “easy” route. Even though it might not be much different in difficulty from gaming girls in America, a flag is a flag and a notch is a notch.

Not everyone is as hardcore as you Roosh haha, and I really don’t think there are very many beer-bellied whoremongers pulling pussy even in “easy” countries without paying them.

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Just for the record, when I travel for leisure or pleasure I do it for myself. My main goal has never been to get laid, it’s been to relax and enjoy the experiences, culture, and scenery – pussy is just a bonus/byproduct.

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I agree 100% with Roosh. In fact, I took a job on an oil platform just to test my game.

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“If you have a mature ego and all you care about is sex with hot girls and ego validation from women seems “pathetic and weak”, go to the countires where it is easiest for you”

Or if that and that alone is the goal, and I know it is for a shit load of us, just fuck hot escorts.

So many guys just have it all backwards it seems…

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Roosh I would think your are a racist, but I know you roll with Virgil in DC. So I have alot of respect for what you say, others on the forum I don’t.
I do commend you for controlling/banning the fools that go off on the racist tangent, other blogs don’t.
I think gaming girls in North America is a little bit harder than other places, for many reasons you have discussed. Travelling is my favourite thing to do and I tend to go to places whereby the women are a bit friendlier, doesn’t mean I am a sex tourist.

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Black guys ask that question due to history and experience. In the south b4 1990 you could get shot, lynched, imprisoned or dragged by rope along rock filled roads for hitting on a white woman. I personally know a black guy who served 20 years for rape (wrongly accused) because the white woman was more worried about her family/friends finding out she banged a black guy. His life was destroyed….So when I ask my comrades “How is it for a brotha” their are bigger storyline going on than easy pujee. Why visit a country and put yourself in the situation (South Korea has real issues with black dudes dating korean women)(Europe has grown tired and irritated by african -north african migration and treat them horribly). I can get my ass beat and disrespected for free by visiting West Virginia, Kentucky, Alabama or any area heavy anti-obama…why would I pay to experience that overseas?

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Roosh how is the bangability of the girl in your last tweet even remotely in question? 99% of straight guys would hit that

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Caramel stated the general essence of why black guys ask questions about certain countries. For me safety is a big issue although looking at me most people would think twice.

Others feel the need to dis-respect the information when it states that country X is favourable for black men. We get the tired line about not all the girls are about black men.

There are alot of shithole places around the world, they could be giving free pussy on a plate – I would still not go.

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lets just simpliy things a little. As a man who has been living in brazil and colombia for the last 6 months i would say 2 factors are in play. Sure, curiosity about a country and its culture is the most important factor when you decide to travel but the ease of poon is almost as important. When 2 countries are similar the poon factor becomes the deciding one specially if you dont have that much time to travel. i.e. denmark vs sweden..colombia vs ecuador. roosh has contraticted himself a bit in this. As when he said he had to work as a mule in brazil as compared to his danish friend..physical qualities. how your language level affects the quality of foreign women you can get. I have curiosity about many contries but ill give the edge to one that might make me feel a little more like a prince. Age and experience can make you forget your roots and where you started from.

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Posts asking where is it easy for black/asian/american dudes to get laid is basically saying – “I don’t have good game. Where can I go and get laid without requiring game and based purely on where I come from?”

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If you go to some spots in Asia, like for me Japan specifically, you will get much hotter woman than you could get in your own country. Fact. I like really hot women and in Canada I’d have to be much better looking than I am right now to score the kind of women that I’m into. That’s unfortunately the way it is. I could rationalize it and be like “Oh man, my game is just not tight enough right now” but the fact is, I’m at the apex of what my “game” could be right now, but I still sometimes get those incredulous looks from women like “Why am I attracted to this guy? This is fuckin’ weird. Is this really okay?” It’s just too much hassle and dealing with women trying to rationalize in their heads why they’re attracted to some dude who’s not really on their level physically.

Whereas, with most of the Asian girls I’ve been with, they’re like “Damn, this is a sexy guy.” I’ve NEVER gotten that reaction in my country, like I’m some piece of meat and I like that. I get tired of trying to PROVE myself to every new girl I meet and would much rather have that attraction going right from the get-go than have to struggle for it and prove myself (which is such a crock of shit, really) right off the bat. We’re all (maybe not all of us, but quite a few) interesting, good people, who should be able to hook up with women we’re interested in, but it’s much harder to get that happening here, sadly, than in other countries. Roosh can say “I went to Brazil for Brazilian culture” (I’m totally paraphrasing and I’m probably missing the point) but that’s a crock. Seriously, you can get exposed to Brazilian culture in DC, just like I can get exposed to Japanese culture in Canada, but the real deal, original article is just WAY better in their home countries.

End of rant, sorry about that. But it’s alright to travel to get laid, and sometimes it just fuckin’ works. I don’t see much of the problem. It’s that, or hit on a shitload of women and strike out 90% of the time with the kind of chicks i’m into. I love Canadian girls, but there’s a lot of dudes here who are better looking and more athletic so I’m shit out of luck sometimes, unfortunately. I think it’s more of a realistic mindset than a sad ass mindset, and that’s why a lot of us are here. It’s simply easier in other countries.

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Great post.

Pussy isn’t the reason I travel, so this resonates quite well with me. I can get pussy back home. When I’m in Rome, though, I can tour the ancient Forum, when I’m in Munich, I can sit in an authentic Bavarian beer garden, and when I’m in Amsterdam, I can sit in a legal coffee shop toking weed.

Can you do that in the United States? I don’t think so.

If I get laid overseas? That’s a bonus, but a bonus only. I don’t judge myself by pussy galore alone, and I don’t travel by that factor, either.

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@ 15 and 16

You pretty much embody this post. Even with a half-assed attempt to appeal to racism.

@ Roosh

Why do you tolerate being called a racist by “Rudebwoy”, who is a prime cause of the forum noise you just alluded to?

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Well stated, Roosh. Truer words…

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Don’t come to EE if you’re black. Go to a multicultural country. For your safety.

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Yeah good post Roosh. Def. it goes without saying that ther are places where race does help to your advantage. In certain countries, you will be looked at quite frequently for bieng black or for having blue eyes and blonde hair..we all know that. BUT it is important to note, if you are a cheap ass, broke, no game having motherfucker from any background, you will have a harder time getting quality pussy. Sure you have dudes, talking about how they killed it in Thailand, but they left out that they paid for it…or they fucked a slack jawed ghetto carp. It’s all relative Roosh…good post.

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I’ll agree that inquirying about safety should be ok on the forums however when there really was a safety concern about one particular country *cough*Russia*cough* it really turned in to a shit storm. I don’t care if I’m going to a place where women don’t put out but I do care if I’m going to get curb stomped or not.

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How reliable is the info in the travel forum really, Roosh?

I don’t visit the forum much because of the constant “How do XXXX guys do in (insert country)?” threads.

So many guys on the forum seem to think they are the kings of determining where someone should travel based on race.

Yeah, right.

Some of the guys (not all, but still) giving out this advice are mostly talking out of their asses. A lot of BS being thrown around as if it is the stone cold truth.

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This post smacks of “holier than thou” attitude.

If you’re an expert driver, any road will do. However, if you care about getting to your destinations (and not just about the challenge), there’s a *marked* difference between the countries.

For most people, the goal is to get pussy, not to bask in the glory of their own superb game which will get them laid _anywhere_.

As for “nowhere is easier than America”, that may apply to you and 5% of the guys who figured out American game. For most people, almost *any* place in east Asia, is order of magnitude easier than USA, and Europe is a bit better too (can’t speak of South America or Africa, haven’t been).

Race matters abroad. Most other countries are way more racist than USA, and unless your game is in top 1%, your changes in some places will be very low due to race factor (and in others will be enlightened).

Talking about this is far less fun then ego-inflating motivational statements, but it’s significant.

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Post 24 I suggest you learn how to read, I stated I thought Roosh was a racist until I discovered his running mate was Virgil (black dude).

I am the “prime” cause of the forum noise, dude what are you smoking. I am the one trying to avoid all this race talk.

As for the dudes that are saying black men are lame and have no game for going to certain countries, would you say that about the white men that go to Asia?

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Roosh, I am not sure if you will see this but two of your recent tweets have caught my eye. “It’s easier to get laid than make friends after 25”, and “Young people think friendship lasts forever but it doesn’t”. I am a 22 year old with a good social circle and would love to see a post explaining these tweets further or you can just drop me a line here. Thanks, brotha.

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Frankly, anyone with ANY game at all knows the whole pick up industry is a joke. Getting laid is not some magical formula but purely a probability exercise. This applies to when you are in a different country as well. Sure you increase your odds with a location more favourable to you but you have to play to win and playing is by far (like 90%) the most important contributor to hook ups.

And please.. you didn’t go to Brazil for the culture. Otherwise you’d write books and host a blog about Brazilian culture and not its women.

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Let the escapade continue…till your last breathing moment!

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“Frankly, anyone with ANY game at all knows the whole pick up industry is a joke. Getting laid is not some magical formula but purely a probability exercise. This applies to when you are in a different country as well. Sure you increase your odds with a location more favourable to you but you have to play to win and playing is by far (like 90%) the most important contributor to hook ups.”

Magical formula = probability exercise based on many factors and criteria. Of course pick up is a joke, there’s a reason we call it game instead of mating season.

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I agree with the ones that said that game in East Asia is easier than in America.

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“Frankly, anyone with ANY game at all knows the whole pick up industry is a joke. Getting laid is not some magical formula but purely a probability exercise. This applies to when you are in a different country as well. Sure you increase your odds with a location more favourable to you but you have to play to win and playing is by far (like 90%) the most important contributor to hook ups.”

I’ve come to agree with this. Assuming a baseline level of normalcy (and I’m setting the bar fairly low here), picking up women, like telemarketing, is primarily a matter of volume. Skill obviously plays a part as well, but comparatively speaking (and once again assuming we’re speaking of average men of average means), it is a minor factor. Roosh himself has tacitly admitted as much by revealing that he requires approximately thirty approaches for every lay.

Thirty approaches? Most men who never get laid don’t make thirty approaches in their entire lives. Their lack of balls/initiative is the primary culprit, not their lack of competence.

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“Magical formula = probability exercise based on many factors and criteria. Of course pick up is a joke, there’s a reason we call it game instead of mating season.”

Agreed. And location is one of the most important factors that you HAVE control over. Looks, status, money etc you can’t really change. So there is SOME merit to debating about countries “good” for your specific kind because the rest is all about having balls and above average conversational skills.

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This is the formula for travel that I’ve always used. I decide where I want to go based on what I want to see or experience there, with the women being secondary. I go online to try to make connections with women in those cities before I go (sometimes it can be a bonus to have a local to spend time with, and they can turn you on to non-tourist spots that you might otherwise miss). It’s worked out well for me so far. If a guy’s whole reason for travel is for pussy, more power to him. If he’s willing to pay, that’s his business. If he walks away from that feeling his trip was worthwhile, who am I to tell him different?

As for the race issue, it gets tiring…when people can’t discuss it intelligently. Which is most people on the internet. Most just spew stereotypical nonsense about people they have no personal experience with. I’ve found Roosh to discuss race intelligently. His “race attractiveness” post was based on observation over time. As a black person the conclusions might have stung a little, but it’s also what I’ve observed myself. He wasn’t stating HIS opinions regarding attractiveness, but what he’d observed from other in various locales. He’s traveled widely, so he could share those observations instead of regurgitating someone else’s stereotypes. As for some other blogs that are linked to this page, there is tons of race-baiting, as on the rest of the internet. You can’t control what all idiots post, but I know Roosh likes all kinds of pussy, so I would never accuse him of being a bigot…HA HA!

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“How is having a mindset of “I will only go for girls who I know already like me” not pathetic and weak? ”

Because only a dope would do things the hard way.

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“Because only a dope would do things the hard way.”

Game seems to have proponents of two different philosophies. Those who are strictly in it to get laid/maximize the quality of their relationships with women, and those who, in addition to that, feel like they have something to prove to themselves and to others.

I can’t imagine why on earth anybody would be part of the second group, but hey, the world’s a strange place.

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Squared, I would have to believe that part of the lure of Game is matching whits, and WINNING. Proving something to YOURSELF. There is no weakness in doing something to prove to yourself that you can. To test and/or expand yourself. I do agree that doing it for the validation of others reeks of neediness (then again, doesn’t it seem that we’re well into the age of validation? Why do so many record their every exploit and post it for all to see? Even criminals film their crimes, and get caught because of it! Why? Because there’s the feeling that there’s almost no use in doing something if others can’t see you did and give you that pat on the back).

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If you want some REAL tips on how to deal with the honeys, check out Lisa Lampanelli’s piece in the March 2011 issue of Playboy, “How To Be a Mean Boy.” Very insightful…HA HA!

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I understand the desire to prove something to yourself, but what I mean is that as far as self-actualization goes, game competency is a pretty pedestrian endeavor. Bush-league stuff, to be quite honest.

Sex with beautiful women is its own reward, and capacity to obtain it on your terms is an essential life skill. But taking it up “for the challenge” and bragging about it as some sort of accomplishment? Rings about as hollow to me as a guy bragging about the quality of steak he had for supper last night.

If you really crave that “pat on the back”, launch a successful business, or become a martial arts master, or do any number of other things that’s actually impressive.

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Actually it is Global Baller who is the cause of a lot of this race garbage noise in the forum. He is the one who started the “Black guys kill in Sweden” thread.

And on numerous occassions he has sidetracked discussions related to other countries with his “How is it for black guys” questions. It’s like the whole forum was becoming a “where to go if you are black and want to game girls” hangout.

It seems to have tapered off recently though.

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Roosh, please see comment # 32.

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What if I travel in order to experience things, and one of those things is having sex with types of women I normally don’t have access to?

E.g. there aren’t many Brazilians where I live, and the odds of me randomly running into one are quite low. I’d like to have sex with a Brazilian woman sometime in my life. Why not go to Brazil to do that and other things too?

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I_Affe, I think what Roosh is getting at is that you should always make sure there are those other things. Those things are guaranteed to be there, so if you don’t get pussy, you can say that you got something out of the trip. If you go JUST for pussy and come up empty, your trip was a waste. I think most normal guys want to fuck wherever they go, but depending on your ability to communicate with the locals, it can be tough. Unless you know just enough of the local language to buy it…HA HA!

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are there even countries where guys on the bottom of your totem pole can be seen as desirable?

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to the last post:
don’t fall for this blog. Though it’s entertaining to read, a lot of it is filled with poorly disguised racist animosity (esp. totem pole). I’ve never been to an online forum where people exchange so much racist banter- i.e. Asian males are this way, Black males are that way, etc. And whoever said that he thought Roosh was racist- follow your 1st instinct. Just because he has a ‘token’ Black friend named Virgil isn’t indicative of his supposed racial tolerance for other non Whites. Roosh really does need to do a much better job of moderating comments, or banning them altogether

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Shut up.

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I found an interesting map showing statistics of the percentage of people having sex weekly by country:

http://chartsbin.com/view/uya

It is interesting to me Roosh that there is an agreement between your sentiment on certain countries and these statistics. For example this map suggests that the likelyhood of having sex in Brazil and parts of Europe is greater than Columbia, Argentina and the USA.