How Important Is It For A Man To Suffer And Bleed?

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I love Poland. A true globetrotting playboy knows when it’s time to kick back and enjoy low-hanging fruit, and when it’s time to get down and bleed. Poland for the former, while places like Argentina and Spain for the latter.

After a few months of bliss, boredom and complacency sets in, and you’re longing for girls to feign indifference and play a mind game or two rather than show their cards right away. As a man, I just love the novelty and struggle of the chase too much, otherwise I’d live there forever. Great in the short-term though.

Not all guys have great success in Poland, but if you have the right key then the girls put out surprisingly fast.

I have the right key.

My game is not going up in Poland because what I had before arriving was insanely overkill. I came packing nuclear bombs when all I needed were slingshots. About two months in, I started to get “bored” of banging so much. I wanted to go somewhere else where I would struggle a bit and then have to come up with new methods or tactics. And then I slapped the fuck out of myself.

I bled for four years in high school, unable to talk to a pretty girl without urinating in my pants.

I bled for four years in college, constantly stuck in the friends zone with girls I hoped would give me pity sex.

I bled for nearly a decade in DC, improving my game on career-driven cunts who didn’t make me happy.

I bled for six months on my first South America trip, trying to figure out why my DC game wasn’t working on Latin girls, all while shitting my brains out due to various infections.

I bled for two months in Denmark on girls who were even worse than the DC girls I hated.

And then a short while into Poland I considered leaving because I believed that struggling was necessary to my growth as a man. Truth is I’m not sure how to live without bleeding.

I look at my reflection in the mirror a little longer these days, to make sure what I’m experiencing is real. I savor the moment because soon I will become numb to what is making me happy right now. I will stay in Poland until I no longer care about sex, until I need to give my dick a rest, until the thought of fucking another 110 pound Polish girl disgusts me. I will stay in Poland until I get deported. Maybe this will take another month, maybe another three months, maybe longer, but I would be a damn fool to leave when all my dreams are being met in a place that is as close to natural viagra as I’ve found.

I originally planned on some grand European voyage of visiting ten countries, but now that’s out the window. I will stay in Poland indefinitely, because I don’t want to bleed anymore.

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Leben ist kampf.

cupojohan
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Off-topic: Roosh, any chance of the day game book being released while it’s still summer and the bitches are still in heat?

Bigfoot
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The bleeding is what makes our game grow tight, but countries like Poland is why we learn game.

Brian
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I came to a similar realization a little while ago about American women after getting involved with Brazillian and Italian women.

American women aren’t all useless wastes of space. But the few that aren’t are snatched up pretty quickly. I have a few friends who have been married for years, after meeting their sweet and beautful wives while they were still in high school or college.

But if you weren’t lucky enough to manage that, your best bet for being happy with a woman is to find one that didn’t grow up here, so she avoided all the feminist brain washing that makes them all so hateful and just generally miserable to be around.

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Roosh, Im polish and from my observations you have paradise here for a reason. You have strong game, and evrything play to your hand. You are tall and this important in Poland, dark but american and this is killing combination here and give you massive status. We generally like americans and our gilrs educated one love to speak english but they dont feel so confident when they speak and evrything seem to them more funny than it actualy is. You also find already two best cities in Poland with beutiful girls and without competition at all. Congratulation I think that you find your fishbowl where dark american guy have more advantage than blonde guy in Rio, enjoy! (I have to warn you that living long term in Poland espacially in winter may dissapoint, and you have check out also some some places where you been even more desired like lithuania for exemple!
Be respectful to our girls , and good luck, maybe i will go to Brazil to find my fishbowl too:)

Magic
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Chech republic is also a killer but not, Prague, Brno!

Seed
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You sound inamorated.

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So if you can’t get laid here move to a Third World country. Wow, this had never occured to me before. You are a genius, what a ground-breaking discovery. Man, you definetely should write an ebook on the subject, this is so unheard of.

Does this work in other Third World countries too? Say, Thailand or the Philippines? I was thinking of Estonia, would that work? Pls make a list of Third World countries that will get me laid, thx.

outlaw josey wales
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Poland is not a third world country.

Brian
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An honest, great post man. Keep it up – that sounds easy to do in Poland. The girls there might not be stunners, but they have a feminine, easy-going, girl next door look and vibe that is fun to be around. Sounds like fun times in Poland.

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Polish girls love the kielbasa =)

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@spinaroonie

If you think Poland is a third-world country then its obvious that you live in a bubble.

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Roosh, what is it about your game style that makes it work so well there? Different cultures need different approaches, and as one who dearly loves the shapes and minds of Polish women, I would love to hone my game for them.

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Calling 20th biggest economy the third world = hater fail

Tampa
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Such an awesome post. Congrats man.

Carmo
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@8
Funny how tons of ignorant white trash Americans who live in nowhereville think that everywhere outside of America is the 3rd world. One day in a place like Poland or anywhere else in Europe and the US starts looking like a decrepit hell hole.

BTW your argument is awful. If bar A is filled with fat ugly people, and bar B is filled with hot young nubile women where are you going to spend your time?

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Carmo says: ‘Funny how tons of ignorant white trash Americans who live in nowhereville think that everywhere outside of America is the 3rd world’

They don’t think that at all. they just apreciate what they have and absolve themselves of the quest for greatness outside of their culture. On the flipside plenty of somewhereville residents falsely identify consumer culture with high culture and get as much from foreign travel as they would from a trip to the mall. The former is like roosh, absolved, the latter is still bleeding for glory.

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Damn Roosh, you did a lot of bleeding before Poland.

I never really bleed in the early years (well, junior high wasn’t that great), but I keep on going to Spain (now) and Argentina (last April).

I need some Poland and Thailand in my life.

Both are on the docket.

– MPM

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I wonder how much of Roosh’s success in Poland is just his “look.”

Roosh has never had a boost because of his looks, so maybe he is overlooking this crucial fact and attributing too much of his success to game.

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I notice that my game suffers too when I am in a place I get laid really easily (like Philippines).

Going to places like Poland sounds like a great way to get laid but not a great way to improve your game.

Then you have to ask yourself why you are in the game to begin with?

To be good at dealing with bitch shields carried around by fugly, feminazi mall rats or to have sex with real women?

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The beard and long hair are turbo boosters in Poland.

Johnny Milfquest
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Aside from Game, I can think of two reasons why Poland is working out well for Roosh.

1. The girls there dig his swarthy looks.
2. Roosh digs the way Polish girls look.

I think I’d have to go to Brazil to get the same effect as a nordic-looking guy.

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“I will stay in Poland indefinitely.”

I called that shit from jump street. You’ve chosen wisely. To quote BT Express, “do it till you’re satisfied.”

outlaw josey wales
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I think what Roosh is describing is also known as happiness.

Maybe you should look here Roosh: http://polish-citizenship.eu/foreigners.html

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How about not posting these kinds of things, B-roosh Lee? It’s making me envious. It’s making me want to move to Poland. It’s demotivating me from talking to these American bitches in this coffee shop.

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“To be good at dealing with bitch shields carried around by fugly, feminazi mall rats or to have sex with real women?”
This warrants repitition.

“Truth is I’m not sure how to live without bleeding.”
This often happens to guys who had to suffer a lot. But don’t become a masochist. Life is short and to be enjoyed. In the end, nobody cares except you.

Still looking forward to your Denmark hate guide. And would love to see you checking out Russia, Ukraine, Serbia and Bulgaria. Maybe next year?

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Feel no guilt Roosh…it’s not as if you’ll forget how to game. There’s no shame in fully exhausting this incredible resource of pussy you’ve found. As you said, you’ve bled and suffered plenty to get here, and I’ve often found it can be either feast or famine with women – either a lot of them want you, or none do. Pound away my brother.

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Beautiful writing. Its funny though when you don’t care about getting laid anymore suddenly you find yourself with a rolodex of booty calls.

red_bandana
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duh dude i told u to go to poland… planning on going back sometime myself. how’s the zubrowka?

Bob Rastaman
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Roosh, how do you think you would you have evolved had you not bled all those years?

red_bandana
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i even had a polish friend pimp his sister to me (in poland).. polish hospitality at it’s best

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be sure that u get yourself a few bottles of ‘wodka zoladkowa’ and ‘zubrowka’… keep a couple at your place. buy at least one bottle when you’re at a bar (versus a club.. the bar is the ‘before party’) and share with everyone that u even vaguely know/just met. they’ll pay u back in spades (thru pimping); and for a measly 12 or 14 bucks

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man, u refreshed my memory of the country. checking ticket prices as we speak.. but then for me in poland i do like michael mason. i have the place on lock

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Where do you think you’d be in life — professionally and personally — if you never bled during your youth? That is, if you were born an exceedingly handsome man, got laid with 6-7s effortlessly, and experienced a positive feedback loop through favorable encounters with women that eventually resulted in “natural” game?

Do you think that the pleasure you feel upon conquering a new chick is largely dependent upon past suffering and your conscious application of game techniques you invested time in learning? We tend not to value what always came easy to us, no?

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Fuck it, find out if you can immigrate hah, and see if you can find two hot bi chicks and have a threesome!!!

Sherwood Schwarz
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what are your favorite cities there so far Lech Walesa?

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Sounds like you went to a non-gender war country, and you have PTSD. Be happy man; most American men have been brainwashed into believing that happiness doesn’t exist for them, it on;y exists when we make a cunty woman happy.

It does exist guys, sometime, you just got to jump across the border to find it.

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Well done for the News coverage…let us know if your traffic and book sales get a Boost!

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That news coverage is another reason why Roosh has to stop blasting in chicks raw, even internationally. He won’t be some anonymous dude on the internet anymore – he’ll be traceable, because he’ll become something of a celeb. Folks know what he looks like, and what city he lives in. If some chick wants to bad enough, she’ll be able to track him down and introduce him to his kid in person…HA HA!

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To hell with bleeding, man. As the great philosopher Crash Davis once said, don’t fuck with a winning streak.

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Ok Roosh, I’m a girl and I read your stuff. Seriously, you have to go to the other countries and entertain us with your writing!

I need that Denmark Hate Guide also, because I have a dude in Denmark. By reading the Hate Guide I can go to Denmark and act the opposite of the Danish girls and get my supremely handsome Danish dude.

Come on man!!

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Polish women are so easy, and need slingshots instead of proton torpedoes, mainly because Polish men are extremely Beta…

They are. Ask any German or Russian man about Polish men, and you will uniformly get the ‘weak und Beta’ assessment.

Is there any country more famous for getting easily invaded? Weak men make a weak army.

If we rank countries based on caliber of women against alphatude of men, Poland and China might be the best.

America might be the worst (best men, worst women), along with Caribbean countries like Jamaica.

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There is a great episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, called ‘Tapestry’, where the difference between a man who took big risks and bled early in his life, vs. was cautious, had very different outcomes in life.

It is a great episode, even for people with no interest in Star Trek. Check it out.

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If someone has no connection with Poland at all, is there a guide that easily lays out :

1) How to book a modest apartment, that is cheap but still good enough to take women back to.
2) Where one should stay in the country (since logistics are a huge part of getting laid).
3) What else one should do?

We need this sort of guide for those of us who want to go to a country like Poland or Iceland or Brazil just to be a PUA, but don’t know where to begin and don’t want to waste money unnecessarily.

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“Indefinitely”

If you get bored, head up to Helsinki Finland or Turku Estonia, you literally have to beat them off with a stick on the dance floor. I am also the tall dark type – being an American or just speaking english gets you very far.

I studied abroad in Helsinki btw.

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Hell! Now I wonder if I should go to Poland, being a tall Nordic looking guy, or just stick to Brazil and such…

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wow, it didn’t really work the fist time. lemme try again.

Hi Rooosh.

I’m Polish, 25, student. Reader of your blog for a good year or more. You were among the people who heleped me not only get better with women but primarily realise what was my problem. I had the obstacles of an abusive family and low self esteem, shytness etc to overcome and to the extent that I did it was thanks to your blog and a bunch of others. Thanks and cheers!!

Now for a few reflections on the topic from my viewpoint as a Polish man who has some insight into what is my country about. I don’t know if I can be as structured as you are in your posts but I write the following with the best intention of helping out the most guys in the community and on your site so please bear with me. This may get long and maybe better suited for the forum, but please forgive me, I can’t be bothered to create an account on the forum.

1. Overview of Poland from the game standpoint.

Poland for the most part really hasn’t been infected by feminism and manhating yet. It is true that girls are feminine and delicate and affectionate and all of the other things that you already noticed and twitted about. Especially if you compare to the so called civilised wealthy west. Let’s just hope this lasts because it’s not like we don’t have crappy american shows and movies on every channel, quietly corrupting the minds and hearts of the viewing public with snippets of feminism etc etc.
I think in Poland the sexual markteplace (I hate the expression) is skewed in favor of men. There just are fewer decent men that women and that is true for most countries in the region. The horrible history tied with continuous economic hardships etc, all of this just targets men more directly and severely than women. Anyone who ever went to Russia or Ukraine will get what I’m saying in a second. Women are like cockroaches, they just adopt and survive. Men, laid off from the liquidated communist factory start drinking and die early. Their sons continue drinking their life away, while their daughters get all primped, bleached and hit the big city to try and cling on to some succesful and wealthy older dude. This is way oversimplified but still true for all of Eastern Europe.

I’d like to give you a sincere advice: Stay in Poznan, Wrocław, Łódź and maybe Trójmiasto and Kraków. Don’t bother with the capital. It’s the DC of Poland. Not to the extent of course, but if you want uppity whores who are all about status, that’s the perfect place. In general the girls are more like the ideal warm feminine gal in smaller and poorer places.

2. A short analisys of why Roosh is so sucessful in Poland, in my opinion:

a) You are exotic in the attractive way, with the combination of Armenian and American. I mean, for me Armenian women have at least a bit of exotic atractiveness to them so I gather the same works for the Polish women. Plus you are an American but not the pasty Germanic one that many people despise and see as weak and stupid. Trust me, if you were a readheaded, pasty freckled guy with a hick accent from Virginia, you would have it alot harder even with game. The bearded levantine but not dirty look is a major plus.

b) You hit the gym and you have basic style, grooming and clothing put together and taken care of. A mojor plus. As stated above, the history of this place so severely negatively affected men that they are a very depleted bunch. Just doing what anyone does in this respect puts you in front of the bottom 80%. I know you wrote dressing up doesn’t work in Poland. Maybe true but having discrete elegant style, tight tshirts on a fit body instead of big ones on a fat gut, it works here as it sets you apart from the majority of men.

c) You are rich, relatively. Don’t get this the wrong way. Poland is not Africa, but it is not common for a man aged 30 to have a flat for himself, to have disposable money for partying and to have extra cash for other things. Plus living the jet-setting lifestyle is a major DMV in Poland. Somewhere around 2 million mostly young people left the country since 2000. They couldn’t get jobs due to severe structural unemployment and they couldn’t buy flats which are as expensive as in Western Europe, whereas wages are a fifth of the western european wages. An average wage buys you 1/4 of a square meter of a flat in Warsaw. If you combine 80’s and 90’s emigration, more that 4 million people left Poland. Which again is not uncommon in the region, especially if you compare to Bulgaria or Lithuania. There are problems in this part of the world that will take decades to solve and severe economic degradation is one of them, no matter what the Economist or any other neoliberal hack publication says.

d) You have game on top of all of this. That also sets you apart. In this region men are weak and the culture destroys their character as much as the continuous socio-economic problems. We didn’t have feminism, but since the 1700’s we had numerous wars and national catastrophes. The country was wiped off the map and partitioned between the neightours. Men were sent to Syberia to sort-of prototype concentration and labor camps as early as 1795(I remember you recomending a book about it). This continued for decades which made mothers the centers of households. This in turn with a peculiar catholic reverence of “mother of god holy virgin Mary” made the mother the sole person responsible for upbringing of children. They of course did their best to raise manginas (unwittingly I believe). Rinse and repeat for 200 years. Throw in two world wars largely fought on Polish soil and 40 years of soviet communism and you arrive at the present state of the Polish male. Shy awkward beta Polish men, who only get tough and coragous after they drink enough for their repressive education to let go.

Game is king in Poland because most guys don’t have it. The numbers of beta herbs here are shocking. Guys not only don’t know. They don’t know that they don’t know. I was one of these guys for years so I’m very sensitive to this subject.

3. On the topic of Poland vs. Russia and Ukraine which was mentioned in the comments and on the forum. I’d say, from my travel experience to both and to Moldova as well:
These countries are similar to Poland but they went through the same historical periods with a lot more suffering and everything is more extreme, every problem is more severe if you know what I mean. In Poland the guys are what you called “busted” and that is even more so in the East. They went through what we went through, just alot more, alot longer alot more severe. Thats why the men in Russia are so destroyed by life, die so early, are so plagued by alcoholism. The 6’s, 7’s and 8’s will be as a result even more affectionate and feminine than in Poland. They will put out more easily and they will fall in love with you after the first date. That is my experience. On the negative side: outside of big city Moscow and Kiev, the people there are severely deprived which results in an overflow of golddiggers and people trying to fuck you out of your money or use you in some other way.

These countries are more dangerous but you will get more smoking hot 9’s and 10’s. The problem is, they already have their local oligarch or criminal sugar daddys so you being a Westerner doesn’t mean that much anymore.

OK.
I know this was way long, but if there are any questions I will try to adress them.
Thanks.

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great post, thanks for very useful comments. Any places you recommend for a 10 day stay in Poland?

Im not dark latin looking, so I guess I got to show more of my natural carisma….

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looks like a im a similar sensitive guy. Still very much beta on the outside, but with strong alpha moments to the point of rock star. Am going to poland for first time and getting laid would be nice. Shall I taint my hair black? wink

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Just discovered your site and Bang a few weeks ago and already feel this is it. Buddy, how do you get people changing my life? AS so many dudes out there wished I had read the damn book ten fifteen years ago. But since i banged my first model now i have hopes to catch up in a short time span. Thanks!

BTW how to contact you for a beer in Poznan mid sept?