How Many Notches Is Enough?

If you’re banging girls from a specific region or city, there comes a point of diminishing return where an additional notch no longer improves your game. Your earlier notches quickly help you realize something new about human nature or what you like in women, but eventually new conquest will stop adding value beyond physical pleasure.

This fact isn’t a justification for you to slack off, because there is a notch milestone you need to hit that allows you to build a foundation of game. This foundation is needed to not only develop the skills for landing women, but also be able to identify what quality is. Because America has so many substandard women, you need to bang quite a few of them to pick out quality while simultaneously learning how to feed their hamster brains (i.e., pass tests, tease, put out an aloof air, and send text messages with grammar mistakes). Most importantly, hitting this number prevents you from getting tricked into committing with a low-quality chick that robs you of your happiness or ruins your life in a failed long-term relationship.

The minimum notch count for America is 25. Until you hit that number, you don’t know enough about women in order to make correct decisions that satisfies both your mind and penis. Note that this number is only for the United States. In countries where the standard of women is higher, you need to bang far less women in order to possess the right tools for successful game and relationships. Let’s go over those counts for other countries I’ve lived in:

Argentina: 6 notch minimum
Brazil: 8
Colombia: 6
Croatia: 8
Estonia: 6
Iceland: 22
Lithuania: 4
Poland: 4
Sweden: 18
Ukraine: 6

The lower quality the women, the longer you need to be a player in order to gain enough experience to have successful long-term relationships (or even get into one). There are guys in Eastern Europe whose first bang is with a beautiful sweetheart who blows away the first 25 notches of your life. They are walking hand-in-hand with their girls right now, totally oblivious to the fact that men of better means are finding it extremely difficult to get what they got in spite of having more game, money, style, and muscles.

If you hit the minimum notch count, and then decide to be a game hater or men’s rights activist, I will wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. But if you’re living in a big American city, have two notches, and are posting “only looks matter” comments all day, you still have a lot of work to do. The reason is because you don’t understand your country’s women and you don’t have the level of experience needed to criticize those who understand the women and culture enough to know how and why the sex act occurs. The irony is that I would be skeptical of an American MRA with ten notches, but pay closer attention to one from Estonia who has that same count.

Going past the minimum notch count for your country will not uncover some deep truth of humanity or unlock a treasure chest of happiness or game enlightenment. In the States, banging 100 girls will barely put you in a better boat than banging 25. The extra 75 will be mostly for entertainment, stories, or laughs. In a country like Lithuania, where the girls make for great girlfriends, being a player is actually a waste of time. You will spend all that upfront energy to get bangs but not receive the relationship benefits that Lithuanian women provide.

Countries with low quality women will create a class of men who play the game permanently, warranting calls of “man up” by those same women who would grind to dust any man who made the incorrect choice to get into a relationship with them.

An unfortunate double bind exists in America. Getting the needed 25 notches to make correct relationship decisions will also tell you, clearly and unequivocally, not to get into relationships with American women. Compare that to Eastern Europe, where every new notch makes it clear that being a cutthroat player will bring you less happiness than relationships. There are less benefits when chasing notches in Eastern Europe since most girls you get into bed are indeed relationship material.

The player is not born. He’s created in broken societies where early experiences made it all too clear that relationships with his women would be far from his best interests. The more time I spend away from America, the less I want to be a player.

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Markie Antifeminist
Markie Antifeminist
7 years ago

ROosh you are the legend. We can’t wait to hear your ROmanian bangs. I am sure they are amazing.
I made all my friends to be devoted fans of your blog

Brandon 2.0
Brandon 2.0
7 years ago

you make me really want to travel…

Markie Antifeminist
Markie Antifeminist
7 years ago

Being a MRA is the best thing someone can be. And also having multiple relationships with nice loving cute sweet caring girls.

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 years ago

What Eastern Europe are you referring to? Not all countries are the same. For example the Czech Republic is closer to the US of A than “Eastern Europe” you describe.
And as far as I know all Eastern European countries have high divorce rates and feminist courts when it comes to family law. So the the end game is at least similar.

Gavin Madden
7 years ago

Interesting post. It would seem the women of eastern Europe are softening you up and rightly so, they are glorious!

Angelsin
7 years ago

Amen! 🙂

TK
TK
7 years ago

Roosh, what is your minimum number for Romania ?

Thanks in advance

[Roosh: Ask me in 3 months.]

doclove
doclove
7 years ago

Roosh
That last paragraph is pure gold. So is telling men how many notch counts they will need in each country or locale before they even consider a long term relationship, LTR, where one hasn’t lived with the woman nor married her as a man in his 40s and younger. The irony of course is that the more women ride the cock carousel, the less likely they are to be LTR material because of increasing mental instability as well as sheer viciousness and the more men march through the pussy parade, the less likely it is they want to settle down because he finds women less trustworthy as well as increasing the mentality of why buy the cow when you get the milk for free. Fred Reed in his number 445 article entitled “Hooking Up” writes about this on his site at http://www.fredoneverything.net/hookingup.shtml

David
David
7 years ago

With Lithuania, Ukraine, and Russia being as high or higher than the US for divorce why would you rate them so high for LTR or wives?

TyKo Steamboat
TyKo Steamboat
5 years ago
Reply to  David

Consider the men they’re divorcing ….

Keith
Keith
7 years ago

Great post Roosh. I reached 25 early last year living in NYC, at the age of 32. Much more cynical now of american women than when I was under a notch count of 10. I’ve known for the past 2 years that an American woman is not for me. My company may be sending associates to Europe for 3-5 years at a time so there is some hope…

Jack
7 years ago

Great article, and well put. It put me in mind of an article I was researching recently on the MGTOW survival guide. Given how tangential the mgtow ideology is to what we do here on the ‘game’ side of the manosphere, the parallels and conclusions drawn between actively acquiring notches and passively letting time go by was interesting. (link here: http://mgtowsurvivalguide.blogspot.com/2011/02/hangin-on-by-chris-in-or.html).

Jack

Markie Antifeminist
Markie Antifeminist
7 years ago
doclove
doclove
7 years ago

I meant to say above that Roosh gave you a fairly accurate number of how many women you need to game and bang before you consider a LTR without shacking up with or marrying a woman of a particular country or locale if you are a man in his 40s or younger That is also the minimum number you will need to game and bang before you even consider shacking up with or marrying a woman of a particular country or locale if you are a man in his 40s or younger. Even this number may not help you which means you could be harmed because of the rape the male divorce laws, palimony and Violence Against Woman Act, men are always wrong American culture etc. Really, it makes little logical sense to shack up or marry a woman in the USA or to do so with most American women. I understand your emotional need to do so, but it is an act of insanity which has great risks and could ruin your life. I admit to having these emotions to shack up or marry a woman and produce my progeny too, but I know that to do so is probably too high of a risk and should not be done. I’m a 45 year old man and what I have to do more to get less than my great-grandfather grandfather and father did with getting women, increasing wealth and other things. I’m not alone either as most men in their 40s and younger must do the same to one extent or another and they too must struggle harder for less. The laws and culture are stacked against you because you are a man and are meant to harm you if you decide to shack up with or marry a woman or produce offspring with her so my advice is don’t do it.

Men in my great-grandfather’s time may have been stuck in marriages to women they didn’t want anymore, but at least there wasn’t VAWA and divorce rape laws and culture against men. A man was expected to support his wife with all his might but he rarely competed against woman and if he worked hard and followed the rules then he could reasonably expect to support himself and his family of a wife and children as he was socially expected to do so whereas we are not as able through little or no fault of our own nor as expected to do so. They probably got more acts of sex but only from their wives or paid prostitutes whereas my generation and younger will definitely get higher notch counts not only from non-prostitutes but from women overall.

Most (American) women never seem to understand that they as a group certainly get the kinds of men they really want as a rule rather than an exception even if certain individuals with that group don’t want it. Even as individuals, many women say one thing and do another, and this is by far less the case with men. You can’t say one thing and do another and expect people especially men to believe you. You women can’t make it difficult for men to be providers and protectors of women and then increase competition against him by entering the workforce or collect welfare off the enslaved taxpayer as well as pass draconian laws against men along with expecting the police, courts etc. to do things for you while legally and socially hindering men’s ability and desire to protect you, and then expect him to perform the way and as well as his great-grandfather did. You women want men to play by 1913 or 1953 rules and you women play by 2013 rules and not 1913 or 1953 rules, and then you get pissed when he doesn’t. Why should I or any man play by those rules and get cheated, crushed and humiliated when you don’t have to do so? Would you play by those rules? It’s rhetorical question as we here know the answer. Most of you women to one extent or another have difficulty thinking outside your own heads or even consider what another might want or need or think. You women made your own beds, now lie in them.

I’m trying to get a more direct link to the article by Vietnam War Veteran and former U.S. Marine Fred Reed
http://www.fredoneverything.net/HookingUp.shtml

beta_plus
beta_plus
7 years ago

How many notches for Denmark?

santiago solari
santiago solari
7 years ago

“and send text messages with grammar mistakes”

As someone who as a young prototype G lost countless girls due to “poor text game” full of smileys, proper punctuation and precise grammer I really want to express my appreciation for the above line… :bow: :bow: :bow

Axe
Axe
7 years ago

” and send text messages with grammar mistakes” xD !!
Shit, and we let these children vote ? no wonder the west is in free fall.

Axe
Axe
7 years ago

“How many notches for Denmark?
Id say around 1000..then you give up and leave the country.

Michael
Michael
7 years ago

Why 25 ? After you’ve banged 5-10 you discover that they are all vapid, poisonous ke$ha wannabees..whats the point in going on really, you know what you need to know. There is no real chance of the next 20-15 being that much different. You just waste you’re time and youth..esp if your aiming for 100 bangs which for most normal people would take a lot of time.
After 5-10 bangs, if you have any intelligence, you have drawn your conclusions..and you know that 95% of Western women are not girlfriend material.
And the 5% that really is are taken long ago..usually married between the age of 18-20..what you have left is 35 carousel riders who have careers in HR departments.
I say fucking no !

Michael
Michael
7 years ago

Btw, my notch count is around 25 and I wished it wasnt.

MattC
7 years ago

Out of general curiosity, what do you find the average notch counts for these women are? I would imagine that the “lower quality” women of America have higher counts, whilst the women in those countries you mention have lower counts.

What seems to be an average number, per country? Or do you not get this information?

Ninja man
Ninja man
7 years ago

I live in the U.K and we have almost the same, if not identical issues with women making the notch count 25 too.

5s behave like 8s while 9s behave like spoilt uneducated goddesses its unreal to behold.

in my college days i always new deep down there was something wrong, big thanks to people sharing wisdom, may each one teach one creating new road maps leading to a fulfilling life!

Khole
Khole
7 years ago

@michael if you’re banging Kesha wannabes, you should get out of the club and into the bookstore or cafe. I meet most women at independent cafes while they are studying. I then take them to quiet bars; avoiding the club music and mentality altogether

madmax
madmax
7 years ago

well said Roosh

madmax
madmax
7 years ago

Ninja man,

I am in UK and it’s shit, I think it’s worst than in America.

Just a while ago I was ‘bantering’ with a sexy British broad through texts etc and she wanted to meet me, and you know what, I didn’t even bother. I am tired of this banter shit, Roosh summed it up pretty well: hamster brains.
I just wanted to fuck her without even talking to her, ah ah. Fuck her, I don’t care.

madmax
madmax
7 years ago

PS. actually Roosh came in the UK and saw for himself how shit it is for women. I am only sorry he didn’t have a good time.