The following is an interview by ROK writer and fellow American Law Dogger, who goes by the name Slubu on RVF. This summer he chronicled an Eastern European journey that primarily took him through Ukraine and Russia, with pornographic updates of his conquests. These two threads of his have been widely read on the forum:
While a count of 14 seems small compared to Fisto’s demolishing of Southeast Asia, any man who has been to Ukraine and Russia knows that Law Dogger’s success is a solid accomplishment, one that I don’t doubt after hanging out with him and his friend in Odessa. He took the time to answer my questions about his adventure.
You’ve recently completed a European tour with a focus on Ukraine and Russia. Can you tell us a little about your strategy for getting laid there? Did you focus on day or night game? What adjustments did you have to make to your game as the trip proceeded? What were your results?
My style, for better or worse, is purely night game. And I put in a lot of effort into this. I rarely took a night off (12 nights in 3 months). I tried to have a date every evening if possible and go out as much as possible. Logistically I tried in all cities to get nice apartments in a very convenient location. Basically, I tried to present myself with the best situation for getting laid as I could. Effort leading to opportunities, and logistics leading to taking advantage of those opportunities. I was also fortunate to be traveling with my good friend who I’ve known for years and have also gone out with pursuing women for years. And when I say this, I mean we’ve easily gone out over 1000 times together for this purpose. So often times it was the two of us out at night approaching, talking to and flirting with the girls.
So our night game started by having a few drinks in our apartment, and then head out to the bar or club of choice for that night. My plan every time was to bed the girl the same night, and work my way down the escalation ladder settling for a number at the very bottom. That was my general model, and the specific intricacies of every city – or more appropriately of the city’s women – caused me to have to adjust my game a bit.
As a result, if I did not end up getting them back to my place for the bang, I would get numbers and set up dates. After a few nights to a week, the schedule would look like this: 7-10pm date (try to bang); whether successful or not, 12am-6am go out (try to bang); sleep until about noon; work and recover until about 4-5pm; repeat. At first we had the gym involved too, but that died down towards the end of the trip.
For more specific game strategies, there were two strategies that seemed to constantly provide success in Ukraine and Russia. First, is what I like to call “Holding the Line.” Essentially, if you suggest a plan, or don’t want to do something, stick to it and don’t budge. In Kiev, we met two girls and invited them to come to Odessa with us. They were planning to go, and we were going anyway so we figured why not. They agreed, but said they would sleep in one bed and we (my friend and I) to sleep on the other. I told her no way, you are sleeping in my bed and your friend with my friend in his bed. I told her if that’s not acceptable, you can get your own accommodations. She huffed and puffed, but eventually gave in.
Mind you, we had not had sex with them yet and we were taking a big risk in just going with them. First night, my buddy and I both banged our respective girls and did so for the rest of the week. I have no doubt that my holding strong on requiring them to sleep with us in our rooms led to the sex. It turned out to be a great trip with two young Ukrainian girls who would cook us food and bang us for a week. On top of that, we ended up spending less because they were Ukrainian and were able to get us the non-tourist rates on everything.
Another example of this tactic was to hold your line with respect to inviting girls back to your place, or not leaving your place. The few times we agreed with girls we met to go to breakfast first instead of straight back to our apartment, they never came over. The one or two times we held the line they gave in, came back and it led to sex.
Second strategy was using light jealousy. It is unbelievable how jealous these girls in the FSU get. I can’t stress enough about the fact that it has to be light jealousy however. Push it too far and you will lose the girl. In Kiev, the first girl I slept with was a direct result of this. First night I met her, she wouldn’t come home with me. Second time I met her, she came back but wouldn’t do anything. Third time she ran into me at a club, already with another girl, and after I calmed her down she came home with me and guess what happened. Ironically, I then parlayed this girl into making another girl jealous. This other girl, who I had previously gotten her number, ignored my texts. She saw me another night, weeks later with this previous girl. Long story short, after the first girl left this girl was all too ready to jump in a cab and come back with me.
The same thing happened in Tomsk and Moscow. The mere idea that another girl was talking to us, or that we would leave them for another girl and their attitudes switched instantly. However, it did backfire once on my buddy because he pushed it too far. He kept going to hit on other girls in front of the girls we were with, and they just took off and we lost what would have been a likely bang. So tread carefully.
Each city was also unique. We eventually started figuring out little tactics or tendencies that seemed to work well for different cities, but it takes time. It took me at least several nights in each city to get my game adjusted. And then the success would come. In Kiev for example, being “nice” tended to go a long way. In no way does this mean to be a pushover, as they really adhere to the masculine role men should play, but it was okay to compliment a girl on her appearance. Or hold the door open for her. But at the same time you had to be overly confident and be ready to walk away from them in an instant, essentially treating them as interchangeable.
In Tomsk, being nice did not work. The girls there were ruthless and some did, sad to say, try to take advantage of us (two times successfully). They’d try to milk us for drinks, for taxi fare, whatever. Here, being nice was not that advantageous. You really had to put forth the “I’m not taking any of your shit” attitude. Also in Tomsk, the clubs were so fucking hot that it made it very difficult to dress up in a suit or blazer. So literally, we would go to the club and post up under the vents or where drafts were in the room. Ridiculous, I know, but at least for me my results stemmed almost exclusively from when I was dressed up so I didn’t want to compromise that.
In Novosibirsk, there was an outrageous “White God Factor” meaning girls were highly impressed from the fact that we were from California. So we used that to our advantage, in that we would drop that information as early in the conversation as possible. I showed my California ID numerous times whether it was to negate their accusations that I was lying or just to get it out there for them to see. Girls in Moscow for example, cared a lot less that we were from California. In Budapest, some girls would actually get pissed off if I said I was from California because some of the locals there pretend to be from California to try and pick up their own women. So it carried a negative connotation.
In Moscow, I found waiting an extra day to text instead of the next day worked better. Speaking of texts, in all places I would send my initial text in half Russian half English. This allowed the girl to respond in whatever language she felt more comfortable in.
My results were as follows, and because I’m a psycho I kept track of some of the numbers. Unfortunately given we were drinking most of the time and the high number of approaches I did, I was not able to keep track of that figure. However, for my three months in Vienna, Budapest, Kiev, Odessa, Novosibirsk, Tomsk and Moscow, I collected 69 leads/numbers, and 14 bangs. Of the 14 bangs, 8 were the same night, 4 were first dates/2nd meetings, 1 second date/3rd meeting, 1 fifth date. Included in the 14 was one threesome, which was one of the more interesting nights of the trip.
Recently I published an interview with fellow RVF member Fisto, who smashed nearly 100 girls in SE Asia, where it’s accepted that women are easier for white men. Do you think such a feat is possible in the Former Soviet Union (FSU)? Is this area built more for notches or finding girlfriends? If you lived in the FSU long term, would you continue your notch pace or seek relationships?
A little while ago I learned to accept that fact that most things are not impossible for the right person in the right place. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Fisto and once you know him and go out with the guy, his accomplishments hardly seem far fetched at all.
It’s funny. Every time someone has a lot of success whether it be with women, money or anything in life people like to question the authenticity of the success. If you bang 100 girls in SE, you must have paid for them. If you have a threesome in Siberia, you made it up. If you have a successful business, you must have family connections or be unbelievably lucky. If you are ripped, you must be taking steroids. I think when people’s realities get shattered they resort to making up excuses.
People tend to take their own specific experiences and understandings and try to apply them to someone they have not met before and to cities they have not visited before. But this does not work. Instead, and to refer to Fisto’s article again, one shouldn’t doubt a feat just because he hasn’t done it, but rather should strive to learn from it.
And if people can learn anything from me is to realize how much effort I put in. I mean, I know how horrible nightlife is for me, especially at such a continuous rate as I did these past three months, but I still did it. Why? I enjoy these nights, these crazy stories, these foreign girls that I’ve never experienced before. It’s a rush and as you state in your latest video, it’s like gambling where the bang is hitting the jackbot. The ability to say hi to a girl (or in this case privet) and hours later have her naked in your bed is both euphoric and addicting.
So is it possible? Yes anything is. Take my style for example which I will say is geared towards quicker bangs. I don’t day game. I don’t hit on girls at cafes or restaurants, or bookstores or the metro. I drink a shitload, smoke cigarettes and go to clubs and often times stay until there is nobody left. What type of girls do you think you find in clubs? The ones that that are there to have fun, the ones that want a story, the ones that when they meet a guy in a suit from California will probably deviate from whatever perceived “rules” they may have – if any – and go home with him. What type of girls do you find at a club on a SUNDAY night in Siberia where there is one street in the entire city worth walking on? Maybe the type of girls that may just have a threesome with the said guy from California.
Shit happens, and I just put myself out there enough times (going out 5-7 nights a week) and for enough time (until the sunrises) to make it happen. It is very hard on the body. I woke up every morning hungover. I had random nosebleeds during this trip, and pains develop in unknown places. That is my style, for better or worse. But I know my limits and while I teeter on that edge I don’t go over it, and accept the negatives of this lifestyle for its positives. I look through my pictures from the trip a few times a week and smile.
My buddy and I on the few nights we’ve been out realize how great that trip was and just smile at each other knowing that the grass is actually greener on the other side. I can still visualize that moment where the beautiful blonde who only spoke Russian handed me a gift for my birthday, then leaned over and kissed me as she said something I didn’t understand to me in Russian. In a few weeks, my body will have recovered from all the nightlife. In a few decades, I will still have these memories to look back upon.
But after all that, I got nowhere near close to 100. I think it would be very difficult here. You can get blown out pretty harshly some nights and if you don’t have tough skin it will get to you. Russians are direct people. On the flip side, as much as you’d like to find a club slut for a quick bang every night, sometimes you meet a girl whose personality, body or face captures you for the night and you make the effort to reach higher. So you put in that effort, and that takes a few dates sometimes. There’s a lot of testing these girls put you through. Contrary to American girls, these girls are very smart. They know exactly what you are doing and what your plan is. They know if you invite them up to your apartment, it is not to have some tea or a drink or breakfast. If they choose to go, they know what they are agreeing to.
So many of them won’t accept your invite. Or they make you wait. Or then don’t contact you again because what you want is sex and they are not okay with that. So be it. In three months I met, got the number of, and had at least a somewhat promising interaction with 55 girls that I never banged. Thus these girls at some point rejected me in the interaction. You’d have to plow through a lot of attempts to hit 100 notches. But that’s just my observation.
The more important question however, which is one you specifically inquire about, is do you even want to get that many notches if the sacrifice is a potential relationship, for whatever duration it may last. If I were to advise on notch v. relationship, it would depend on the city.
Notch cities are Tomsk and Novosibirsk. Tomsk the girls are rather shady and Novosibirsk is the ugliest city I’ve ever been to. I couldn’t imagine staying in one of those cities long term. So just I would just go for the bangs here.
Kiev is a bit of an enigma for me. The nightlife is so fun, rewarding and cheap that you could pursue constant notches and not be as worn out as other places. There is an endless supply of girls, many same-night bangs happen as confirmed by myself and other posters on your forum, and you can minimize your expenses in doing so. A lot of the girls are 18-22 which can keep many men feeling young. However, I did have had two mini-relationships with girls from Kiev and they were great experiences. They were very traditional girls, cooking and cleaning for me. But that novelty did eventually wear off and I found myself craving a fresh approach. Even now I am getting excited just talking about Kiev’s nightlife. It was that addicting.
Moscow is the clear exception here. I would try to pursue relationships and that was actually my goal for this part of the trip without knowing much about the city other than having beautiful women. And after experiencing Moscow for over three weeks, that would be my suggestion. The nightlife while amazing on weekends, is lackluster during the week. People work a lot too in this city, so the weekend club goers do consist of some normal girls outside the club rats. Couple that with the fact the girls in general here seem to actually have a lot of substance behind their beauty (as opposed to Ukraine), one can find himself in a relationship here and not feel like he is missing out on the constant notches. In all honesty, I did find a girl that would have caused me to take it easy there in terms of seeking new notches, but she ended up flying home for more than half the time I was there.
That said, there are a lot of pretty girls in this city, and they outnumber the amount of eligible men. A series of mini-relationships, whether concurrently or sequentially, would be ideal. This would be my goal if/when I move to Moscow.
CONTINUED: Part 2