How The Game Changes When You Get Older

There hasn’t been a lot written about what happens to players as they age, especially ones that have been brought up on current models of game that originated in the late 90’s. The reason is that most players actively using game are relatively young—the average age of my reader is around 26, and most of the older guys who message me are looking for wives more than casual bangs. I’m in the unique position of having a good amount of experience on aging while gaming. Here are some changes I’ve noticed:

1. What you wanted in the past is not what you’ll want tomorrow

If you’re learning game, chances are you want to have a lot of sex with different women, but once you accomplish this mission, your goal will likely change into laying higher quality. The value of random sex will decrease once you’ve had it so much. One-night stands with merely cute girls have become almost meaningless to me because of its large upfront labor without a long-term payoff. Most of the approaches I do now are on girls I suspect I would want to have sex with several times. When you are young, you can get drunk on any no-name vodka, but once you get older, you start to appreciate fine scotches and cognac. Experience teaches you what value is, which is what you then seek.

2. A girl will be attracted to you for different reasons

When you were 24, a girl fucked you because you had big muscles and high energy. At 34, she’ll fuck you because she likes your stories and you have a nice apartment. Women hold you to different standards based on your age, so trying to retain your youthful game into your mid 30’s is a mistake that will cause girls to label you as immature or having an age complex. Instead, you should ease into displaying refinement, class, and even sophistication. You also should be more open about sharing your surplus resources. Buying a drink for a girl when you’re young could be a fatal mistake, but doing it when you’re older could be a solid move that builds attraction. Same with dinner dates. While you don’t want to become a beta male, you can start to give a touch more provider game to build the comfort that facilitates sexual escalation.

3. You won’t be able to approach as much

Your energy will drop sharply. You won’t be able to go to a club, have six vodkas, and then approach ten girls. Your limited energy must therefore be harnessed into a sort of sniper game or a niche. Younger guys can use more of a brute force hack game where they approach a ton of girls until getting lucky, but older guys have to be more methodical about their approach targets so they don’t waste needless energy on bad prospects. Fortunately, this will be easy for the older man because he has a wealth of experience to tell him which girls are likelier to receive his approach or not. More importantly, his game will be at a high enough level where he simply gets “lucky” at a faster rate. I’ll let you know at what age that luck starts to decrease, but thankfully my quality is still increasing every year (I’m currently 34).

4. Your libido decreases

Even if you stay on top of your weight-lifting regime, you simply won’t think of sex as much as before. Of course you’ll still greatly enjoy sex and want to sleep with beautiful girls, but you’ll be willing to spend one less night a week going out. You’ll pass on the easy 6. You’ll be less motivated to push through flakiness to get through the bang, and you’ll start flaking out on girls yourself simply for not being in the mood. It will be impossible for you to maintain the sexual hunger you had at a younger age when sex was novel and amazing.

What’s interesting about game is that you spend so many years to perfect getting sex and then by the time you get really good at it your needs change and you have to modify your program. Just when I got really good at club game, I started to hate clubs. Just when I got good at one-night stands, I received less value in them. Just when I got good at banging 7’s, they were no longer satisfying. The worst mistake you can make it to continue the same behavior even though your needs have changed, which means you’ll always be learning game. You won’t be able to coast long on what you know now, no matter how long it took you to learn.

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Third sentence in reason #3 should be “be harnessed” not “by harnessed.” And I don’t know about the “not thinking so much about sex” part. We’re in the same age range and I’m constantly thinking about it.

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The more refine civilized a man is, the more psychological value there is on sex. I think the sex fulfillment is recognized in the calculating logic of one’s logical identity, for those that sublimate instincts to logic. There is no logical way of getting around having a dick at the center of your being, only sophistry and neurosis.

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Good points. Life is great at 40 for me–in terms of libido decrease–yes, towards women my age, no towards young ones!!

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I could see Roosh specializing in creating routines, fitness programs, humor, persuasion, etc. all to help older
Guys pick up younger girls in a few years because I don’t see any men starting to dig women their own age in their mid 30s and up. I think that could be your market niche in few years- how to help Roosters eat young chickens.

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The viet words for “rice chicken” and “young girl” sound similar.

cơm gà = rice with chicken

cô gái = young girl

One time someone there asked me what I like to eat. Of course what I said was “young girl”. They all laughed pretty hard.

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What about men who are not players? I do feel that you have more to offer in being more grounded (and hence confident) due to life experience. I had noticed that now that I am 30, I get much more responses than when I was in my twenties. The only real difficulty tends to be infiltrating social groups that are primarily made of women in their 20’s; so opportunity outside of cold approach tends to be lacking.

My social groups are made up of women in their 30’s, who I am not interested in long-term; and I feel like the women are sharks who pretend to be submissive until I get reeled in and taken for a ride. Seen this happen to too many other guys. I would lose all my cash to wife up some ho who represents women I’d spent most of my life competing against.

I don’t think there’s a solution for every guy’s dating problems out there, short of destroying feminism. I can see london becoming more male heavy (more immigrants tend to be male) and the women’s expectations are through the roof, with the locals not being attractive to start off with. The few remaining attractive girls date either the most physically attractive men (ie tall) or date a guy they can control. All the men in-between are edged out of the market, as its all about female choice (not what is good for society long term) and are left with the unattractive women. Once the cute women reach their 30s and are left with a mate who is the long run is useless, they search around for a ‘good man’, but there are none left (for all the reasons we know). So they just give up on men altogether or go wet only for the hottest studs who are not interested in dating used up women.

My solution was simple: dating women in the 16-22/23 age bracket and to double-down on trying to meet those women. It is hard finding the time, but I make the time. I don’t care about trying to sustain a society that is completely against my interests. So far the dating younger women thing is working, and to be honest, I couldn’t see myself dating women in an older age group for the long run. Does the game change? I dated women in the 16-22 age group when I was younger and still do when I’m older. I have a friend who is 43 and dating a really hot 18 year old. The game has always been like this and it is women and feminism who would have you believe otherwise. Unfortunately, many men take on board the social conditioning of white knighting and the like, which compounds the problems we see today. But if we just go for youth and beauty like we are supposed to, they have no choice but to play on our terms.

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Man alive.
I am fifty and when I was a kid, the hippy-dippy baby boomers were whining about a ‘generation gulf’ between them and their parents. I look at that now and wish I had it so good! I have more in common with my grand parents – who fought in WW1 and rode horses to get around – than I do with you kids and young fellas.
All I could bring to this is to advise you to keep your eye out for a good woman. If you find one, take her and get her off the market and keep her. I cannot imagine that playing games beats having a meaningful marriage.

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“I cannot imagine that playing games beats having a meaningful marriage.”

If you decide to do this to yourself, don’t do it in the west. Consider the recent media cycle on “the graying of divorce.” In short, older women more likely than ever to go “Eat, Pray, Love” and dissolve long-term marriages. If this happens to you in late middle age, will you have enough time to recover financially? Think carefully. Do you really want to spend your seventies and eighties as a Walmart greeter?

Another factor young men don’t consider is attrition. As you get older, sex ratios improve dramatically in your favor. Just by virtue of taking care of yourself– staying healthy, active and improving your lifestyle– you will get more female attention than ever. Every year, more and more of your competition either dies or self-disqualifies through the child support/alimony/cheaper-to-keep-her trap.

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I pretty much did the right thing – got married at 34 to a woman that was 27 – had fun when I was single, did a pretty good job at the married game for the first 8 years or so, the last 8 I just got tired – 2 years ago, we separated, 2 months ago the divorce was final.

All that said – regardless of your situation – you can never rest from the game, if you want to keep your “woman” in your life, and even then, it can be a tough gig.

At 52, I agree, you get more selective – you are no longer running around like a dog in a fire hydrant factory – but the desire will still be there. I’m still figuring all this out, the pace with women, how to spend on them, where’s the break point – and (re)learning all the triggers after being married and basically shutting down that whole part of your brain. But I also agree with what RobP said – I have much less interest in woman my own age – therefore, less tolerance and attraction towards them.

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“I pretty much did the right thing …. 2 months ago the divorce was final.”

You did not do the right thing, You failed. Either you should never marry (most likely), or you were a bad husband and/or she was a bad wife. It happens to many; learn and move upward and onward.

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Glad to see some ladies reading the blog. Yes indeed he failed. He fell for the fairytale aimed at naive chumps by marrying some used up jaded, slut. How do I know she’s a slut? I’m confident she didn’t save it for her husband – I speculate a double digit notch count which easily makes her unfit for marriage. Only an uninformed idiot (no offense Tin Man) marries a leftover ho looking for a seat before the music stops.

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Roosh came across this site a few months back and think you are a riot. Years ago I was you, minus the creative writing ability. Im now 48 yrs. old, happily married with children. My wife is 12 years younger than I but due to the fact that my maturity level is 20 years behind my actual age it works out.

For guys like us (elite alpha males) the rules do change a lot as we age. Over the years I have probably been with roughly a thousand women. From very famous women to strippers to high power business ladies. I’ve dated women all over the world but admittedly most of my past girlfriends resided in the US. It took 4 marriages for me before I found the right woman.

At the age of 35 I became very successful and am now a millionaire many times over. At age 48 I stay in exceptional shape so look very young for my age. I workout steadily, have 11% body fat and still have my six pack. Scotch is my drink of preference, I love to travel and fine clothing is my weakness. I am very well traveled and speak several languages fluently.

Because I travel for work and my business is in an industry that is 85% female, as you can imagine I have a lot of opportunity. The strange part of this story is that because I now am older and have found a good wife it is not as difficult as you may think to stay faithful. Don’t get me wrong, it is as frustrating as all hell because these young girls are everywhere and they are desperate. See, though a guy like you Roosh is in high demand from the female species, what you will soon figure out is that the older you get the higher that demand will go up. If I had to guess I would say you are already starting to understand my point. The older, more experienced and richer you become the more you will be desired. What I have become is the male that EVERY women wants and dreams about having as her own. Mature, rich, attractive, charming, and confident. Not a false confidence that comes with youth and vigor but a real confidence that can only come through the refinement of age, power and money. The fact that I’m married and seemingly unattainable makes me even that much more attractive!

I have more women hitting on me now than ever. Women ranging from 23 to 60 years old. I could get on the phone right now and call a hundred different incredibly hot women that I have met over the past year, women of all ages, and invite them with me to Bora Bora this weekend and they would drop everything. I’m talking women that have only spoken with me a few times. This may sound exaggerated to some people reading this but I assure it’s not.

So what saves me from total disaster to my marriage you ask? It lies in the fact of what you said in your post. The older you get the less sex has a hold over you. Don’t get me wrong if you’re a male you are still horny all the time. The difference is the little head no longer controls the big head. I think this is another thing that women can sense and it makes you even more attractive to them.

For clarification: This is not to say that all older men have this power. It is only a select few. For the rest, their game will just slowly get worse the older they get.

For this guy….. well let’s just say I’m off the market so that elite pool is even smaller. You’re welcome older alpha males. wink

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LOL nice rant about how wonderful you are.

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Good observation.

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HAHA! Seriously. He’s an ‘elite alpha male’ yet he is posting on a dorky game site. I like the manoshpere and it’s message a lot. But lets be very clear here: nobody on here is an elite alpha male. Most guys that read the manosphere are just reformed betas, myself included.

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Quote Tom: “−HAHA! Seriously. He’s an ‘elite alpha male’ yet he is posting on a dorky game site. I like the manoshpere and it’s message a lot. But lets be very clear here: nobody on here is an elite alpha male”

You know what Tom? You sir are correct. A true alpha is not in the forums discussing this shit. In fact the day I make my final breakthrough I will no longer bother with the manosphere forums even though they are veru useful and informative.

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Quote me ? I didnt say that.

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Most of the “millionaires many times over” that I know dont really hang out on the interwebs yo.

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Quote: “At the age of 35 I became very successful and am now a millionaire many times over. At age 48 I stay in exceptional shape so look very young for …”

You need not say anything else about what makes you “attractive” because we all know for women its all about resources and nothing else. Younger women gravitate to older men becuase they assume older guys will have more in the bank than the younger guy. So lets dispense with all the flowery politically correct crap about ‘older’ game. The fact that you are married makes me less inclined to respect anything you have to say. Let’s see if what you think your qualities that make you so great still stand when wifey decides to cash you out by marching into divorce court.

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Thought the same thing…age difference know is not bad but will be in a few years when he hits 50’s. It will be easy for her as you say to cash him out. Marriage just isn’t worth it in most cases and this one is an example. Why wife her? Just continue dating this way assets and variety of women are protected.

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Anyone with half a brain has things set up properly so no bitch or law suit can crash their party. Prenups offshore financial institutions etc besides some guys can give the shortest straw as a gift to the malevolent.

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Crazy – guy drops lots of knowledge and wisdom about how he succeeded, and all he gets is bitter complainers who are jealous of his success.

The whole point of the forum is self improvement. The easiest way to improve yourself is to copy what someone did who’s already where you want to be. This guy is giving you great, free advice – it’s very important to make lots of money, try to be in an industry where you interact with attractive women regularly, make sure you’re an interesting human being, and stay in shape as you age. This post is a good high level template for life success with women, and your response is “well, it’s easy for you to do because you’re rich?”

So get rich yourself. 99% of people are lazy and have the same loser attitudes as the other guys replying. They see someone who’s successful and they just bitch about it. That’s a lot easier than grinding it out for the ten years or so it takes to get anywhere, but a lot less productive. If you’re the one guy in a hundred who says “how do I become that guy?” instead of “screw that guy!” you’re on the right path.

As for “it’s all about resources and nothing else,” bullshit. I’m a millionaire myself, although I’m in my early thirties. In the last five or so years I’ve gone from an introverted, out of shape millionaire to an in shape, extroverted millionaire. The difference is huge, I was getting a couple of dates at best and then getting dropped when all I had to offer was money. Money is necessary but not sufficient for getting attractive women as you get older.

Go watch Millionaire Matchmaker sometime. The whole premise of the show is how much weirdness, ugliness, and social awkwardness women are willing to tolerate to snag a guy with money. Most of those guys aren’t getting past the first few dates, and the ones that do have something going on besides pure money. Either they’ve got game and the women screw them and get dumped, they’re handsome but weird so women put up with them for a few dates and then drop them, or they’re only socially awkward on a first meeting (which generally means the women grab them for marriage).

As for getting married, yeah, sounds like a terrible idea to me, but who knows what my perspective will be in my 40’s and 50’s.

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Quote: “Crazy – guy drops lots of knowledge and wisdom about how he succeeded, and all he gets is bitter complainers who are jealous of his success”

Bullsht.

I commend the man and his success, but any man should be aware of what actually motivates a females ‘affections’ are purely driven by tangibles. Look up Briffault’s Law, Esther Vilar (an argentine female disclosing the Truth!) and other authors.

Look, female affection is a good thing, but nevet should be confused as ‘love’ because love does not exist, period.

And yes, making lots of money is good and banging hot chicks is the spice of life, but all men should never lose sight of reality during the course of tbeir lives.

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And what motivates male “affections” is tit size, and age, and whether they have an hourglass figure. Duh, everyone is shallow. Women want money, and protection, and social status. So why don’t you accept reality for the way it is and go get some of those things?

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You are correct, hence my assertion there is no such thing as love. And regarding your suggestion to go out and get rich, I’m on my way to doing just that friend…..

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I didnt see any advice or wisdom. Just bla bla im so good and over the top perfect, so blatantly successful that maybe only a select few can ever hope to be.
Not that I have anything against that, I think it’s funny. But that’s all it is.

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And I am sure that like any wealthy elite, “giving back to the community” is very important for him. By honoring us lowly “wanna-be elite alpha males” with a few crumbs about what it takes to be great. Money, looks, power, style, clothes – why we should not be so ungrateful. Im sure he just doing this from the bottom of his heart.

Im really starting to question in my mind some of the posts I read here and RoK. There are actually companies that create “internet personas” to swing opinions, infiltrate, gather information on social media. Not saying this guy is — he might just be a run-of-the-mill douchebag — but some posts I do have my doubts about…

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Here’s a morsel boys. For those who say I don’t bring anything of value.

With women it’s not only about “money” or “power” or “looks” or “security” or “sex”, “good guy” or “bad boy”. Not even about Love or Hate with them. It’s about their perception of having their deepest desires filled every moment of every day which is almost impossible because even they don’t know what those desires are. What they want today they will hate tomorrow. Women are the most complex creatures on the face of the planet.

With that being said there are several constants. Things that all women will always want. A man who is confident. A man who intelligent. A man who is hard to have (you have to seem out of her league in her eyes). If you can’t pull these three things off in a HUGE way then stop here before you move forward. You have to have these 3 constants to be truly successful in a further capacity.

So you know the three constants now what? Since women haven’t a clue about what they really want, In their eyes, and only in their eyes you now have to become not one but “ALL” of those original things I mentioned. What do I mean by that?

You never only the good guy or bad boy but you are always BOTH depending on the moment. You always love them and hate them. You give them everything they want and nothing. You do these things but you have to be perceptive enough to know when and how to do it. You never make their ride flat, straight and steady but always keep the road winding and dipping. Speed up, slow down and hit some bumps once in a while. They key to this and here’s the hard part. You have to do this while never seeming out of control or like a train wreck. You have to be arrogant and humble at the same time. You have to pull everyone of these things off with full confidence. This will keep you in control of the most controlling women on the planet. Many women hate controlling men but this kind of control they love. Why? Because it fills everyone of their desires every day in ways that will blow their minds. Women don’t know what the hell they want so therefore they want EVERYTHING and NOTHING at the same time. This is an art form and takes a lot of work to get it right. i.e. most people if you told them to be arrogant they would be a total jerk off and turn most women off. If you told them to act humble they would act like a total whipped pussy and turn most women off. To pull both of those things off at the same time without seeming like a dick takes skill, smarts and confidence.

YOU HAVE TO GET INTO BOTH THIER HEADS AND DESIRES! One without the other won’t work.

HINT: business is much the same way. If you want to be successful you have to get into the head and desires of your boss, your business associate or your customers. Who ever you are targeting to make money off of. Do this with confidence and swag and you will move ahead quickly.

If you want to have a cast of women following you around like the pied piper then you have to give them everything they want and nothing they want all at the same time. It’s beyond an art form.

DISCLAIMER: I’m not talking about simply banging a bunch of young chicks. I’m talking about having every women on the planet no matter what age follow you around wishing, dreaming, hoping, begging they could be yours.

Mr. Anomy

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Roosh maybe you we could get some of your thoughts on some of our discussions. This is your site so we would all appreciate your input.

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Cool story bro.

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Cool generic comeback bro. Think you used it a couple other times in the thread, though.

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Yeah bro. That one just like, never gets old,

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Thanks for the Esther Vilar reference. Brave woman. Not surprising that some Jewish feminist got nasty with her, labeling her a fascist and comparing her book to Nazi literature.
Some things never change.

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I didnt see any advice or wisdom. Just bla bla im so good and over the top perfect, so good that maybe only a select few can ever hope to be.

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Watching you three is like watching the Three Stooges.

The sad truth is that guys like Cyrus and Joe have no hope of ever comprehending what I have written. My suggestion for the two of you is that you immediately get married or go gay. Why waste time chasing something you will never attain? Your lack of comprehension and intelligence almost certainly dooms you to a life of mediocrity. Fact: 95% of all people on earth will never make over $1 million dollars in their lifetime. Sorry to be your voice of reason but the sooner you come to grips with it the better off you will both be.

Tom I won’t lump you totally in with those two because you at least seem to have some intelligence. You’re just the type of guy that acts unimpressed by anything and anyone and feels they are smarter than most but deep down inside is insecure and unhappy. Since you don’t care about what anyone thinks I will not waste my time with you.

Whether or not you think I am for real is of no consequence to me. What I have done is given you some very valuable information. You could of asked some good questions rather than turn yourselves into a bunch of catty females. Roosh If you are reading this, guys like this could be the chink in your armor when it comes to the male vs. female supremacy debate. They are making the women look good. You would expect a woman to turn on her own due to jealousy and or envy. I honestly do believe that not all of your readers are represented by these three so there is still hope for the male gender.

So far there has been one person with an intelligent reply (Lol). It’s easy for him to talk intelligently on this subject because he has experience behind him. Only through life experience to we gain true wisdom.

Any man here that says he wouldn’t want to be in my shoes is either jealous, gay or a liar. Remember guys this is a forum where we don’t have to be politically correct and we can be brutally honest. 99% of you will never have a chance to ask someone like me for advice on women, money or anything else. You can act like it’s no big deal, you don’t believe me or like you don’t care.

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Pearls before swine……

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QUOTE MR. ANOMY: “At the age of 35 I became very ”
successful and am now a millionaire many times over. At age 48 I stay in exceptional shape so look very young for my age. I workout steadily, have 11% body fat and still have my six pack. Scotch is my drink of preference, I love to travel and fine clothing is my weakness. I am very well traveled and speak several languages fluently.”

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“Any man here that says he wouldn’t want to be in my shoes is either jealous, gay or a liar. Remember guys this is a forum where we don’t have to be politically correct and we can be brutally honest. 99% of you will never have a chance to ask someone like me for advice on women, money or anything else.”

Dunno dude — I can see your point, and quite possibly your intention of advice could very well be true, but it seems to me, and I know many millionaires, that they do not flaunt their success and wealth and how great they are the way you did. It’s like you are trying to prove something to the posters here on this forum. I’m just saying… not to try to pick a fight or anything.

That said, I still think that it is important to keep monetary resources out of the equation when it comes to women. I am still on the fence regarding whether or not a woman’s attraction to a man is based on resources. There are valid arguments for both sides. If a man with deep pockets meets a chick and she knows he’s rich, then all bets are off. I know well off guys who are very discrete about their net worth, and this includes whenever they are interacting with women, which in my opinion is the best path to take.

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Quote mr anomy “Watching you three is like watching the Three Stooges.The sad truth is that guys like Cyrus and Joe have no hope of ever comprehending what I have written”

You have only proceeded to convince the others here of what an arrogant jerk you are with your self congratulatory nonsense -“I’m a millionaire, most others will be lucky to be one…. guys would give anything to be in my shoes”

Success is a combination of good decisions and hard work, with some luck and the luck part is out of our hands – Billionaire Richard Branson even stated this. So you worked hard and had some luck your way – thats great. In fact, that’s really great. But you have not given any useful advice on women – hopefully you will be able to re read what you wrote and understand how uncouth you were in your post.

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George if you haven’t noticed this is NOT a forum in where people are concerned about begin politically correct so I simply say it like it is. I posted what I have posted because it is the reality of the situation. People who read it have two options. They can pessimistically look at it as a reminder of their own miserable lives or they can look at it as a springboard to motivate them in the right direction.

Fear is what holds us all back from greatness. The truth George is that people like you have a hard time believing that even though people on this thread that might “wish they were in my shoes” everyone actually has a chance to be in my shoes. It’s a choice we all make or do not make. People like you and the other three naysayers are what have destroyed this country. It’s not the women buy it is the men who have let life beat them and have decided to let women pass them by.

“Success is a combination of good decisions and hard work, with some luck and the luck part is out of our hands”

I agree 100% and nothing comes easy but the fact remains
that 95% of all men will never reach my status. George you are a perfect example of what is wrong with most men today. It’s about not just bringing your A game but it’s about understanding what a true “A” game is. Sleeping with 50 easy chicks isn’t an A game. Being “rich” isn’t and A game. Women are extremely complicated and do isn’t a true “A” game.

“But you have not given any useful advice on women – hopefully you will be able to re read what you wrote and understand how uncouth you were in your post.”

So I didn’t give any useful advice on how to pick-up women? George it’s Money, Power, Looks, Charm, Being well refined and well-traveled along true confidence. It’s
all in my post pal did you read something else? Did you expect me to explain how to develop all of these things in one post?

The way I see it, if you truly wanted “useful advice” as you put it, then you would have asking me some good questions in order to improve your own lot in life. Instead some of you have been simply showing how jealous and petty you can be by attacking my success.

Would you rather read a post from someone that says “I’m a fat slob, I live home with my mom and haven’t had a real job or girlfriend for 20 years”? Maybe this would make you all feel better about your own lives. But can you really learn anything or is this just about a feel good session?

Instead you get an “Elite Alpha Male” that takes his time to post here and you don’t have one good question to ask, George.

My question to everyone on this site is this. Do you want to go through the rest of your life as just another face in the crowd, drinking beer, working a boring 9-5 job and living in average suburbia or do you want to be in that 5%? Don’t ever let anyone fool you into thinking “that could never be me”!.

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Anomy –
Your past few recent responses definitely have substance and merit! SO I now can appreciate what you have to say. Please accept my apologies for giving you a hard time before. And thanks.

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I appreciated what you shared here. Yours is an inspiring example and really drives home that I must get off my ass and work harder on my goals. Grazie e buone feste.

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‘I am bigshot billionaire, I am 48 hard bodied married to a 36 year old, I am best man in world, peons be happy I not compete with you’

Hahaha this motherfucker right here. This shit can not be real. Not that I doubt its true, but that you’re so smug about it. I don’t know, I guess I had any sense of awe at guys like this sucked out of me a few years back when my uncle pulled off some astonishing shit. Man was 57 at the time. Starts dating a 21 year old that I had gone to high school with. Then they have a baby, and the bitch works to take care of him. I think he mows lawns on weekends for extra cash. My uncle has a big fucking beer gut and a big scar from his heart surgery, and he has all the wealth you’d expect of a man who spent his life driving trucks and bouncing at biker bars and sponging off the women he fucks.

That broke my fucking head and continues to trip me out today, but its probably the most humbling thing I’ve ever seen, and makes me wonder what’s really important in life and what I should do with mine.

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My suggestion: Write a book about your Uncle and guys like him. These field reports are most interesting. Thanks for posting it.

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Dude you need to get his tips on how to run game on his level like he does to get young hot women to take care of old obese dude-lol.
Anyway you cut it- that’s some tight game and we’d all live to hear hair game knowledge. Everybody lives 21 yo chicks- always have always will.

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How did you make your money?
What kind if goods or services do you do?
What advice would you give to men starting out on how to work smart and make real money as opposed to wage slavery?

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QUOTE: “How did you make your money? What kind if goods or services do you do?…”

Exactly the kind of questions to ask, and has anyone noticed how mr. douche-bag “anomy” is now giving us radio silence when he gets put in a position to give real advice?

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Yeah. And like he said, his business is 85 % females. My guess is the dude sells porn. Lol.

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Whatcha doing with a 36 year old ? dats dumb. A billionaire like you should be with 18-19 years old. When they hit 22 you dumb them.

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No one who is rich, with a wife, kids, and have the ability to fly out anywhere and who has fucked models (because lets face it that (fashion/makeup)is the only industry that is 85% female) is going to be on here. Frankly had I gone into a field that was heavily female like 80%, fashion, or makeup or even psychology, I’d have been drowning in pussy and have been so busy just trying to keep my chin above all the pussy that I’d have NO TIME to come here never mind write stupid post about how great I am.

A true alpha male would need no reason to ever even type in search of google anything that would lead him here. An alpha male gets pussy like a 9/10 20 year old female can get a constant supply of cock with little effort.

This site is mainly for men who have been conditioned by feminist and the femnazi education system away from being real men so who have no clue how to interact with women. They have been led to believe being nice to a girl will get you fucked but the girl always goes out and fucks the bad boy but he can never quiet figure it out. This site is for the guy who can capture the girls attention but doesn’t know how to move from a sexually charged conversation to sex.

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2. Buying a girl a drink.

This is when you start to become a patriarchal protector. If I’m out on a date with a girl who’s still in college, I’ll buy her a beer because she’s a poor student. Noblesse oblige. I’ll do the same thing for a young man that I’m out with.

4. Decreased interest in sex/ONSs.

This isn’t a decrease in sex drive, per se – rather it’s a refinement of your interests. I have so many other things going on in my life, that putting up with the blathering of an airhead just isn’t worth my time. Around a woman whose company I enjoy, I’m having just as much sex as when I was in my early 20s; but in between those women, I’m able to exert greater self-control, and save myself the wasted time.

There’s also a 5th point: I’m 32, and I’m beginning to have a major problem with women who *shouldn’t* be chasing me doing exactly that. As you mature, women start offering themselves to you at a higher and higher rate.

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“As you mature, women start offering themselves to you at a higher and higher rate.”

That’s encouraging !

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I’m mid-40s and gonna rain on the parade a bit. Women are more alike than men are alike which leads to the hyper Pareto principle. A man’s SMV can increase over time, but still only the top whatever of men (30%). Feminism is making it harder if you don’t meet a very tight threshold. Could be top 10%, but I think top 1%. Women are very narcissistic on impossible standards from alpha the elite machine. Most men will not have the societal/material success. The seduction via instincts will become maintenance so you don’t lose an ltr, not to get a women for anything. That’s my opinion. I think less sex is available overall with The Decline. It is a corrupt cornucopia at the top, with all things Western these days. It is feast or famine. Women can smell it too.

“Experience teaches you what value is, which is what you then seek.” That is why women left to their own primeval wiles and choice ride the cock carousel and become hardy spinsters. Such rapid debasement and unbelievable expectations make pussy less available overall and on average.

Aurinin is interesting to the point of intimidation that inspires awe, and he is still youthful. Most men will not have that. Of course, a red pill man in theory is not most men, but I see all types in the comments of the ‘Sphere. And the trend is down regardless of what we do within this system.

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There are definitely some dark times ahead, but at the present time *nobody* is showing up for the competition.

I recently got involved in film making, and – though I don’t yet have public proof to show you – I’m confident in saying that my colleagues and I are putting out high-level professional quality video, despite having no background in film whatsoever.

This isn’t a testament to our own genius – it’s the fact that nobody else is trying to do anything well. Professional film crews with budgets behind them, and top-end equipment (our equipment is merely high-end) half-ass most of the stuff they do. I honestly put more effort into that joke-video I posted “Writing advice from Mel Gibson” than they put into stuff airing on television.

The biggest frustration in my life right now, is the dearth of people who are “switched on” – who are willing to climb to the top of the mountain. Aaron Clarey wrote a bit about this – how it’s lonely at the top, because most people choose mediocrity.

It seems like I have to sift through a dozen idiots, for each high-calibre person I find.

I agree, 10% is too big – the number is somewhere between 1-5% – but next to nobody is actually trying to get there. For the men in the manosphere, opportunity is knocking.

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To make a long story short, I can’t show up, even though I get what’s going on.

Long story: I will tell you what I told another guy, though a blue piller. “You have more power than you realize.” I don’t have the right attributes for this political-cultural state = evolutionarily stable power structure. I played it wrong. I am structurally unemployed = now marketable experience. I am not a genius, just smart enough to stupidly have see the America that never was in vibrant bullshit-o-color and to now be more bloody realistic about what would make a society my civilization. There are so many options for working hard with only hope. The game is soooo rigged. I think playing defense until SHTF is too often the best option, and there’s a lot of green from here to there. A better option is milking the system, and if you hasten its demise, so much the better. Maybe you can get a government grant for your film work. I expect vagina monologues have been funded by tax farm units, so why not any of us?

My cup of bitterness runneth over. This is the only thing than comes easily to me. That and telling female predators in acquisitive mode or not NO when the want something. At least I have non-compliance left. It’s the little things.

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Could you give me a few pointers on websites to learn videoing from? I need to do some big-time reading.

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Red Letter Media’s reviews of the Star Wars movies; they’re basically a whole semester of film school, condensed into a few hours.

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Fucking love RLM.

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Depends on where you are. If you are in feminazi land, it wont happen. Because you should all be “equal” they wont allow it.
They female and beta friends will not allow it, and we all know women are not able to do anything without the approval of their friends. Even if they secretly like you, they wont allow you this little advantage of nature, because it’s unfair and not “equal” (of course they have no problem taking any the advantages they might get).
So in feminazi land, unless you’re truly George Clooney, forget about it.
World is bigger than feminazi land though.

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Your right I’ve seen some busted up dudes in E Europe with women that would get $15 drinks all night here in the US.

America=Crazy
Jews=Crazy
Jews=Ru(I)n America

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“Depends on where you are. If you are in feminazi land, it wont happen.”

“So in feminazi land, unless you’re truly George Clooney, forget about it. World is bigger than feminazi land though.”

I live in western europe, Roosh speaks a lot about the US and eastern europe, but not about western europe so I’m a bit in the dark, I guess I’ll see as I age.

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Western Europe=US..more or less.

Purple Penguin
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Damn…

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Who the fuck wants a feminazi??

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Generally true but you have a small number of loser guys who will continue the gaming habits of an 18 y/o into their 30s and beyond due to a need for validation or an underdeveloped brain (see the 2000+ posters in your forum).

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Before age 30 I used to pray everynite for pussy, after 30 I started turning it down. Women hate young men…

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Why do they hate young men? When I was 18 I was hard all the time and came a lot although I think 27 or 28 is the ideal age because of control and strength.

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Everybody hates young men….When you get older you naturally get more confident, usually wealthier, and more “put together”…

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Quote: “Buying a drink for a girl when you’re young could be a fatal mistake, but doing it when you’re older could be a solid move that builds attraction. Same with dinner dates…”

Buying drinks and meals for women has always been the biggest cardinal sin that men can do. I fail to see how it is more acceptable just because a man is older. I’m getting the impression that as a man ages it really comes down to dangling material things in front of cupcake in order to be with her.

Do you honestly think that the playboy playmates that hang out at the mansion actually enjoy sucking the dust out of hugh hefner’s cock? They do so for the tangible things they get in retutn.

Esther Vilar stated in her book The Manipulated Man that no man will ever be loved as a human being….ever. Now how’s that for a red pill?

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That’s fucked up-
Either you’re super bitter or reality is a mega bitch!

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Funny, I could say the same about you, if we are going strictly by a single comment. Touched a nerve, eh?

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Eh… realizing reality is, in fact, a “mega bitch” can be a pretty fucked up experience. The Red Pill usually doesn’t go down easy, after all.

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You are not wrong, Cyprus. However, established success game is different. If a man can really read the woman, and if he has success, he can show off his stability by buying her a drink. If he does not get her, he could still make a reputation for himself. He must put on an alpha show about it. Basically, it is an advanced specialty move, not a go-to move. The man must still own his frame and use the word NO.

The 40th Law of Power: Despise the Free Lunch (from Greene’s 48 Law’s of Power). As I recall, it means to ostentatiously buy to get the image that will pay dividends. If you are not dressed in a suit of close to it, not congruent and not a good move. If a millionaire in a suit does it, it will be congruent and multi-dimensionally compelling to all the female hamsters. It’s a display of power if done right.

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I just turned 49 last week, divorced 10 years and have an 11
year old son. I noticed a major drop in sex drive when I hit 44. At this point
I’m not attracted to most women my age, and don’t have much free time or energy to spend on the younger ones. Being a single dad is another full time job, and a satisfying one as well. I won’t spend an afternoon with my son hungover and tired. He gets the best of what I have to offer as best as I can manage.

I’m also very wary of knocking women up after a pregnancy scare back in 2009. Knocking up a 30 something American woman would literally ruin my life at this point (since I’m white with a good job, portfolio, and property that would be taken for child support). I’ve gotten to the point that if I’m going to spend time with a
woman, she has to be worth hanging around after cracking a nut. Nothing is more excruciating to me than cracking a nut and immediately getting that feeling of dread and disgust that comes over me because I invested an evening of my life for 15 minutes of rutting out some bimbo with the added risk of getting her pregnant.

I have found the mid to late 30s American women who’ve never been married or had kids, to be a really nasty lot. They still live like they are 21 years old, riding the carousel, living in an apartment, going out partying all the time, still getting
a lot of attention from guys if they’re decent looking, etc. But those 20 years
of fucking around with no responsibility except for satisfying their own whims,
has made them into something I find really distasteful and sad.
Unless there is some extraordinary excuse, most of these women are still single
for a reason. They’re self centered, spoiled, and looking for a sperm donor
with a job that they can leach off of if they become unsatisfied at some point
over the next 18 years of raising the child.

I’ve instead focused lately on divorced women with children who don’t want more children. They are more grounded and realistic with expectations, I have zero interest in getting married ever again since I don’t plan to have more children.

I will conclude by saying that I was an accidental alpha when
I was younger because I had an uncontrollable sex drive and I was a musician in
bands. I didn’t know anything about game, but I was cocky, good looking, slim and muscular, had the alternative band smv bump and was extremely selfish. I took what I wanted from the women I was around.

In thinking back, I had out of over 75 women at least that I
banged ( used to be able to count them at night before I went to sleep but once I hit 60 it just got harder or my memory got worse), probably 4 or 5 would have made GREAT wives and mothers. They were attractive, quiet, intelligent, submissive in a good way to my ideas and dreams and loved the shit of me for me, no matter what idea or opinion came out of my mouth. Several would have died for me. Believe it or not I let them go because I thought they would be boring. I actually thought that a good mate would be a feisty girl with attitude and strong will that would challenge me. (sound familiar? Wonder where I picked that up from???). That’s what I married and divorced after 1 year which was nothing but a gut wrenching power struggle with her having all the power of the state standing behind her when we called it quits. But I will say that having a son changed my life completely. I’ve never once woken since he was born, wondering, what the fuck am I doing here? That question is answered forever.

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You wont allow yourself a hangover once in a while because your son shouldnt see that ? thats SOO beta.

Cole Younger
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Yeah, I forgot that part, I have become pretty beta.

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No, it’s functional and, as a result, alpha.
Drug addiction, alcohol abuse, and other dysfunctional habits of parents that lead to psychologically disordered children, and therefore greater group dysfunction and failure, is beta behavior because it leads to group financial and political ruin.
In other words, of your an alcoholic parent and let it affect your kids, you are a fucking LOSER because you are intentionally breeding a loser. Period.

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Idiot. Having a hangover is not addiction.

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” I actually thought that a good mate would be a feisty girl with
attitude and strong will that would challenge me. (sound familiar?
Wonder where I picked that up from???). That’s what I married and
divorced after 1 year which was nothing but a gut wrenching power
struggle with her having all the power of the state standing behind her
when we called it quits.”

That part I found very meaningful. I wish I could go back and at least to as well as you did. lol On the flip side, I never got married or had children. All in all, thank gawd!

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Same here. Went for the feisty and independant chicks in my 20s and 30s but now avoid them like the plague.

Cole Younger is dropping some truth on this comment sections’ ass

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Chalk me up as another who would enter relationships in my 20s with feisty women who would challenge me. Lol. What a huge mistake. Meanwhile I would pump and dump the good ones for fear of boredom. Took a savage beast of a woman I spent two years with to wake up. Haven’t entered a relationship for years since (not longer than 3 months anyways). Very cautious and will on,y consider the sweet ones as even bang potential now. Why waste my time otherwise?

Excellent and insightful comment by Cole.

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I did the same! She was an MD who was steeped in feminism. Lasted less than 2 years. Never again!

Anacleto López
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Why don’t you get vasecomized ang go for the twentysomethings?

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I don’t know why. I’ve considered it, but can’t do it.

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For what it’s worth, I’d recommend it. Mine was a whole hell of a lot easier that I thought it would be. Think dental cleaning-level discomfort. No big deal. The never worrying about “oops” pregnancies EVER again part, however, is priceless.

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Well, you should, also the Hindu method (http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/04/ff_vasectomy/). Anyway, I have also targeted single mothers and divorced women latey. They clearly know they are in disadvantage, so they become sweeter and are more willing to please you. Good luck, man!

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I wrote a post about this on the forum this past summer. The conclusion I drew was that if you’re gonna date older, the best way to go is with women who had kids young. That way, they’re pretty much done with child-rearing so you don’t have to worry about the sperm donor bit…plus, they’re more realistic since they’ve been parents and relish their new freedom.
By far the worst are the ones who make it to 40 without ever having kids. A scary lot. Everything you said above is true and it only gets worse with age.

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“I have found the mid to late 30s American women who’ve never been married or had kids, to be a really nasty lot.”……my sentiments exactly….and bedding them requires every bit as much work as younger hotter girls who don’t have dimpled ass cheeks. Younger girls are easier to win over completely and it seems the under 30 generation is ambivalent about feminism.

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The ironic thing is that, when your libido drops and you begin to see women as individuals instead of as sex objects, you find that you aren’t much interested in them any longer. There’s nothing to say.

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They could be helpful and worth an investment of your time if they’re willing to help you achieve your desires and plans and play a useful but subordinate role. Unless the conversations are focused on that, I agree, there really is nothing to say.

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Quote: ‘The ironic thing is that, when your libido drops and you begin to see women as individuals instead of as sex objects”

Total gay thing to say.

No. When a real man’s libido drops he begins to see women as parasites who are only able to do so because most guys in their sexual prime tend to have the flaw of letting their cocks do the thinking / decision making when it comes to females.

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At 43 I must admit that I agree with most of what you wrote in this piece. I’ve had my share of quality meaningless bangs, but they don’t mean as much as they once did at this stage in life. I can remember a time I’d travel across town at midnight for a bang, now, I am NOT traveling across the hall in my apartment building at that hour, especially when I have to work in the morning. Oh well, we all have to get older, the only alternative is death….good read Roosh.

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I’m 43 and Roosh is spot on. Still plenty of libido but quality counts over quantity which I had tons of when I was 23 and 33. Now living well and banging quality matters more. I scuba dive race boats and fly planes for fun which helps game as an older dude.

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Roosh and readers-
What about the omegas and male virgins as they ate. Remember, some of us had no game exposure at all until late 20s and beyond because of feminazi domineering mothers, religious brainwashing, living I. Toronto or Shitville USA, etc.

My point-
What does a man that fucked up in his 30s or 40s do? Who still wants quality???

I’ve heard people say go to Thailand but if I were to degrade myself and punt I’d go to Prague, or London where $300 can get a bonafide 8or 9. Look at punting in the US like erosguide.com, city vibe.com, etc. Ugly used up cheesy women for a shit ton of $$$$$. Even with punting its better to pick and choose a quality piece here and there like only 8.5s or 9s because a bunch of 5 and 6s is nauseating even when I was 18 I found that concept gross. 8s and up only whether from game or John clowning.

And remember its his fucked up for Anglosphere men because of shit parenting, a fucked up economy, cultural brainwashing, and over valued delusion ally proud cunts. It’s a sad day when a 6 sneers at you in a Starbucks in Shttown, USA like a gold digger 10 on Souh Beach would do.

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Kevin, I am a late-in-life red piller. I never bought the whole system, but I did buy into human nature being roughly in line with my nature. However, the locus of control of virtually all women and the majority of men is in the reptilian brain, in the instincts.

The fact that women are not creative and not very different under the hood, as opposed to any superficial differences of experience, and they are superficial for women because of the locus of control, whereever you can interact with women and try to get them to give you their pussy is EXACTLY the optimal way to refine yourself in raw masculinity (below the waist). Just approach and analyze like a motherfucker when you have the opportunity. If you learn on your own, you will then see the important of social status that blue pillers recognize as the complement to instinctively attractive style that is the august knowledge of red pill. Most men are too cowardly or non-analytical to gain field experience that teaches. Most of the experience is slow and seemingly pointless unless you are in a target rich environment. Life the life you have the best you can. There is no magic pill. The odds are against you, but you can be your own man, and that is worth plenty. How you fair in the big lousey game of life is not you call. Mother nature is a bitch. Many are called and few are chosen. Do what you think is best. Don’t look for a walk-on grand slam. You can never find it. If mother nature whats it to find you, it will. You have work to do and pain to feel, or no work to do and pain to feel. It’s your call. I would take one little thing at a time and work on that and gradually add. Do you freak out in the company of a beautiful woman, or a new group. Get over it. There is no substitute for feeling nervous in a real live situation over and over until you get over it. Only then can the journey really start. Read the blogs, but go the fuck out and apply. If you got money, buy a book, get a coach, but be a student of knowledge or forget about it.

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Of course game is important, but for the “mature” gentleman who is never going to quite measure up economically, physically, emotionally or stylistically, then why not head to a place like Tijuana (Hong Kong Gentleman’s Club, for example) and bang young 9s and 10s w/out any concern for rejection? I’m a 45 year old doctor who is in good shape and considered relatively handsome and charming w/ many alpha characteristics, but going to TJ to be hedonistic w/ all the mongers is tremendous fun and so nourishing for the ego. My quasi P4P “wingman” (we sat at the same booth for an hour or so and snogged hotties) couldn’t have been more different from me: he is about 60 years old, 30-40 pounds overweight, shorter than average, comb-over, homely, ruddy complexion and a brutal dresser — yet this funny SOB plucked a hot 22 year old off the stage and banged her w/ the help of Viagra and about $87 USD for 30 minutes. I may never see this monger again, but the look on his face after the bang (it wasn’t his first TJ rodeo for sure) was priceless and reminded me that even swine deserve a few pearls. And frankly, his game back in the “real world” likely benefits from his “paying for it” from time to time. Just my 2 cents. Go easy on me players.

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I lie your stories Roosh and such but don’t you think you should settle down? It seems you are lucky if you get 2 girls a month9like in Ukraine0 and that means if you only see them once you are getting 2x sex per month. DUDE that’s NOT ALOT!Guys with GF’S are getting much more..plus you like fat asses. fat asses= the girls most white guys don’t want.

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R.Don Steele wrote the definitive treatment of this subject in his classic “How to Date Young Women for Men Over 35, Volumes I and II”.

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yup. i’m 39 and i just had a young (22 year old) up and comer in game visit me in NO. i winged for him, but the city is dead right now.

i love women, i do. but i think after a guy has accumulated enough notches, pussy becomes an after thought.

now, instead of me trying to gain validation the way i did when i was in my 20’s, i’m screening the women now, if at some point the exchange isn’t going well, i’ll bail.

and sarging. nope. hell no. now as i approach my 40’s i think the best thing i can do is try and help the younger guys with the things i’ve done to find success with attracting women.

excellent post.

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Your libido decreases.

Gotta tell ya, I can appreciate the science behind that and I’m not going to layer bullshit on the readership, but I’m 53 and my libido is absurd. If I was hornier when I was 17, it isn’t by much.

In my own case, I have developed far more self control. I am far less compulsive. My brain no longer (not for a long time) jumps into “God, but it would be awesome to fuck her!!! I can hardly wait for her to smile at me so I know she’ll let me fuck her!!!”

But the physical angle of libido? The ability for a game of bed tennis? I would rate myself at no more than a decrease of 5-8% I stay in shape. I don’t smoke. My drinking is carefully moderated. Guys, seriously, smoking will kill your cock before your lungs! Ditch the cigs! And keep the booze to 5 drinks a week at most.

I supplement with 100 mg zinc (a HUGE help), omega-3 fish oil (from wild salmon, not the pills), and vitamin D3. And I get 8 hours of sleep every night. Lack of sleep will fuck you up. I worked the night shift once and read up on tips to survive night shift work. Night shift work will cut the same years off your life as pack-a-day smoking! GET YOUR SLEEP!

Maybe I don’t have the testosterone of an African elephant or the pheromones of a silverback gorilla, but this dog is a long way from the boneyard.

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“Youth is wasted on the young”

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I rarely post comments on blogs, but I wanted to take a moment to offer a few thoughts, as I actually emailed Roosh sometime ago about wanting to write a about this very topic.

First, let me say that there are guys like Mr. Anomy out there. I for one, am 55 and have been with A LOT of women (I guess 750-800 would constitute a lot). That said…So Big Fucking Deal! At some point, the game does change and sometimes gets more challenging as you age. I would agree that there is no thing as “elite alpha male”…

You get my point here–we don’t NEED stack rankings for kind of stuff–once you get up over a 100 women, you start to get a pretty good idea as to what works and what doesn’t. I find reading the Manosphere blogs helps me still with my game, in that, younger women (20’s & early 30’s) think a bit differently than older women and the skills which are needed to address the shit tests you are going that you inevitably going to get–are very helpful.

So what can I offer here?

My two cents worth:

1. Always be learning. Even if you are married or in serious relationship, you are going to get “shit-tested”, so always have some game.
2. Everyone…I mean everyone, goes through a dry spell. The key is not to get down on yourself and when you do get a number of rejections–I find that is the best time to invest in yourself! Read, workout, advance your skills…whatever makes you a better, more knowledgeable and well-rounded man.
3. Be yourself! You can read a ton of shit about style, approaching, how to handle yourself, but at the end of the day, you have to be true to one person-YOU!
4. Everyone gets older…the key here is to stay a half-step ahead of everyone else. What I mean is wisdom is powerful thing. As you get older, you can pick your spots more strategically and more often than not you have more resources at your disposal.
5. You are going to have days where you feel like shit if you are over 40. It happens. Let’s say you go to Vegas for 3 days and party your ass off…well, when you get back in the gym after your trip, you are going to feel it! Always know there is price to paid for energy expended…which leads me to:
6. Energy expenditure. Use your energy wisely as you get older. Time is another one. You only have so much energy for your workouts, for work, for play, use it to your best advantage.
7. Stay in shape! BE RELENTLESS about this. Your dick will work better and you will feel better…plus, many, many women love an older guy who is in shape.
8. Your sexual prowess is going to wane at some point. It is just a fact of life. Could I fuck a lot longer and harder in my 20’s and 30’s? You bet your ass, I could. Your physiology is going to change and you need to both: embrace it and also do your best to combat it! Adjustments will need to be made.
9. Finally, DO NOT FUCKING SETTLE! Love is a weird thing. Mr. Anomy said he had been married 4 times. I have been married twice and narrowly escaped a third marriage that would have been a disaster (thank some manosphere blogs for making me hit the “pause” button and do some hard self-examination). If you find the right woman, then get feedback and ask one hell of a lot of questions. Do not pass go, unless you get the answers that you need to hear (not–>want to hear).
10. Your taste will change. It happens if you start to get an appreciation for something you enjoy (for example, wine, cars, music, clothes) and it will happen with women. Are 20 year old 9’s the best? Of course they are in regard to sexual value. However, as you get older, their shit tests and attitudes get hard to deal with. It is much better to deal with a solid “7” that has a great attitude and is good around people, than a “9” who walks around like her shit doesn’t stink. As you get older, you have less tolerance for that kind of crap.

Hope some of that helps!

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Man you gotta give us more on how to game 20yo 9s as an older guy.
What sells young college hotties on banging an older guy?

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That, is a shear numbers game. I have approached a lot of “9’s”, but get shot down a lot. That said, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

Here is the key: You are going to have to appeal to the “9” at a level where she is not expecting it. I met one (day game at a coffee shop) recently who was a first year law student. As you may expect, she was knee deep in studies. I got her to laugh (very key with 9’s) and just got her to relax and open up a bit. My approach with really good looking women is always to make them relax through humor and then be empathetic. Empathy is a good tool, when used in small, measured doses. Too much and you go into the “Beta-zone”. Sure enough, she gave me her number and then had to wait on her schedule to open up. So patience, perseverance and timing play into this as well. I banged her on my back porch as it was raining. Priceless.

Another “9” I met on Tinder. That is a different games. Strictly a numbers game and it is all about having some texting skills which I am still refining. I can tell you, I lose more than I land. Being in shape, having interesting witty conversation and following through are all things you must do to get hotter women. And…be fearless. You will get rejected. It is just part of the whole deal.

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I’m 31 and already see Mr sage as a god

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I am hardly a God, by any stretch of the imagination. Just a man who wish he had the internet when he was younger. I would have learned a lot more and made a hell of lot less mistakes. Then again, even if you have “game” you are going to make mistakes. But that is what life is all about, trying something and seeing what works.

In regard to women, I have noticed that things are getting more difficult as technology makes it easier for them to have a “false sense of self”. Roosh has had many posts on here and on “Return of Kings” going into the details of all of this. I have been dating a woman now for 7 months. She is Korean and was adopted by American parents. While she is “Westernize” a good extent, she looks pretty damn good for 42 (14 years younger than me). I would say she was a 9, now is 7.5 (because of her age). That said, I met her with “Day game” (at a grocery store), because the internet was just too much hassle. I still make sure I lay down the law, even in a relationship. That is, I do not put up with a lot of shit.

About 4 months ago, she was at my house and I was talking to her and she picked up the phone and started looking at it. This was not the first time she had done, so I slapped it out of her hand. The phone went flying. Obviously, she got upset and left and I made zero effort in stopping her, with the exception of telling her how disrespectful it is to be looking at the phone, when I was sharing something with her. I did not hear from her for 3 days. In the meantime, I was able to meet a woman at a coffee shop and she gave me her number. Finally, my girlfriend apologized and we got back on track. I did not pursue the coffee shop girl (she was 29), but I could have.

The moral of story: Establish your boundaries. Always. Second, your power is the power of walking away, especially if you are single. No women, no matter how much younger or hotter, is worth the hamster treatment. Finally, if online is not working, get out the fucking house! Life is lived when you are living it. Do not listen to all of the crap the world is telling you, be your own man. You respect yourself a lot more, if you do.

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What sells young college hotties on banging an older guy?

In a word – privilege and status. See my previous comment.

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Status is always something women are looking for. Even if you have limited resources, you can obtain status by friending men who do, or hanging out with men whom you can learn from. College girls, especially hot ones, get hit on more than you can imagine. Some of them tire of the same old BS and want to “trade up”. Either get them when they are in “party mode” or develop your own sense of style, based on classic male traits and make it work for you.

No status? Here is tip” Learn how to Bartend. Yes…BARTEND. You will learn how to make great drinks, you will access, you will get better at communication and you may make a few bucks in the process. That is what I did when I was 18 (the drinking age was 18 when I started) and that is where I learned game!

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As a man gets older, his libido drops with respect to women in his age range. But that libido is not lost, it is simply transferred to lust for younger women.

Fucking an 18yr old girl when you’re 25 is pretty great. But fucking an eighteen year old when you’re 35+ is goddamn incredible. The age-gap is a huge turn-on that makes the sex more pleasurable and intense.

It seems the older a man gets, the more he really enjoys younger pussy.

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Seconded. There is a “submissive admiration” aspect on the part of the girl that doesn’t generally manifest itself when the age gap isn’t there.

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@Roosh: What specific effect does this have on your approaching/ techniques, if you find yourself compelled to aim for better than 7s? (you’ve mentioned before that the main types of game you taught tend to pull 6-7 cute girls)

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Guys. Hang in there. I am 54. I have maintained amazing fitness (6 pack, 220, 9%’ 6’1″) albeit with a little prescribed hormone help. I am blessed with remaining good looks but game is the difference that compensates for age ( most think I am 46-47 so other than body clearly older).

I have learned relaxed badass confidence. I am amused by all women. There constant prattle reminds me of songbirds singing, I don’t try to understand I just enjoy the sound. Their emotional outbursst are a constant source of intriguing femininity.

I have a soft harem and have sex with someone nearly everyday. On weekends maybe extended sessions with up to 14 times. The women I attract are hotter than I ever did at 30 despite being very good looking.

A 19 year old 9 , a 28 year 7.5., 32 year old 8 (former 10), 42 year 7.5 ( definite former 10). The latter still has a spectacular body and is the most feminine of the bunch. This is my current home team.

Interestingly, the young mediocre girls don’t pay as much attention to me as the smoking hot ones do. One change with age is that I find a broader age range as attractive as long as they have maintained their shape and the face is still pretty. I even will pump and dump the angry ones with a little rough action, fun to make them submit and then dump.

Key here is develop game to deep level, maintain physique, dress with age appropriate attitude and learn to enjoy women like delightful wildlife in your backyard. Never fake being younger than you are, play hot mature image. You will stand out in a young club and the girls who like that will come.

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Obviously, it would be vastly preferable for an older man to be fit, rich, powerful, and so forth. But what if he isn’t?
There are a lot of guys out there that are in their forties and fifties who are smart, well credentialed, interesting – and got financially wiped out for one reason or another, not the least being some of the economic difficulties of recent years.
How about some relevant advice for such men? I’ll use myself as an example. Former alpha (mostly while in my twenties), bedded numerous beautiful women. Of all those women, only a few were truly marriage material, but I let them go. Never married, no children. Some days I consider that a blessing, other days I’m not quite so sure. In short, not desperate to get married, but would consider it with a high quality woman.
Basically, I look good on paper – I’m fairly fit (could be fitter), am still considered handsome, am much more interesting in personal conversation than the typical guy, and have a decent professional resume. But in terms of money, I’m hopelessly average. And I cringe at my averageness. lol I still get unsolicited interest from attractive women from time to time, but my financial mediocrity has compromised my confidence to a great deal. I’m by no means broke, just mediocre. Like, by definition, most guys. Unlike most guys, my other characteristics are alpha or at least greater beta.
I’m guessing a lot of men who have suffered financial setbacks, and are north of 40, are really questioning their sexual market value these days, especially as concerns long term relationships/potential marriage. At 46, even if things go perfectly from this point on, it is unlikely that I will be “rich and powerful” prior to retirement.
If anybody has some good perspective on this, I’m all ears. And I’m sure there are a lot more lurkers in roughly similar circumstances.

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Speaking as someone female, gameless, at best a 5.5 on the 1 – 10 scale, over 50, and married for 26 years next month (to a man who lost a good career in the crash), I tell you truly that America is filled with lonely women. Most of them are seeking affection and security and have some resources of their own. The question is: Are you willing to accept a woman who can no more fulfill all your fantasies (sexual) than you can fulfill hers (financial)? Does she have to be a 20 – 25 lingerie model or backup dancer? If you’re genuinely looking for a life-mate who shares your goals and values and will have your back in the war of life, and most importantly does not have to be perfect, she’s out there and you can find her. Good luck and may G-d be with you.

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“I began a nice positive reply to Scenario, but reading onward in these comments, now it seems likely that it wasn’t what he was asking for.”
If you aren’t interested in giving a substantive answer to my question, why waste time just to take a cheap shot? Grow up.
But to anyone who is interested in offering feedback on my original post, I’m all ears. For what it’s worth, I’m familiar with game (not a stray as werewife suggests). I didn’t stumble in here accidentally, but have been somewhat familiar with Roosh for years.
I’m a former alpha, but trapped for the foreseeable future in the cesspool of financial mediocrity. I’m not broke, I can afford a decent apartment and I can do normal stuff. But not much more than that, and it would be dishonest to pretend that I’m wealthy. I’m not interested in running a fraud, whether I could get away with it or not. It is what it is, and at 46, I’m not really better off financially than a lot of professional men in their early 30’s, and not as well off as many of them. Just older.
I’m sure there are a fair number of guys in my boat, and I just don’t see the scenario I brought up discussed a lot in these circles. As our society continues its downward trajectory, there are going to be more and more otherwise smart men who will be marginalized in one sense or another. Some of those who feel secure today will not be feeling so secure at some point down the road – that’s just reality. I think it’s a fascinating subject, but I don’t see anybody tackling it in a meaningful way.
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I am sorry that I insulted you; no cheap shot intended. It’s just that I began a comment without realizing that it really wasn’t appropriate to the context of this site (my first visit, as explained), and while I could edit it, I didn’t know how to excise it, so rewriting was the best option. Said original comment was analogous to offering the peace of Christ to someone asking for advice at http://www.hareidi.org – trust me on this one. Again, please accept apologies.

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Fair enough, just a misunderstanding.

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Go for younger girls. They won’t take being financially average as a negative like mid 30’s doctors and lawyers, plus they are hotter. And also be selfish – be concerned with your retirement and making yourself financially independent – most likely by cutting expenses if you can’t ramp up the income.

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Good point as well. Thanks.

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I can offer perspective.

It will be harder for you since a top tier girl expects privilege to accompany age. So go get some. It’s as or more attractive to them as a younger muscled stud. While the numbers in your bank account may not elevate your status, you cool confidence and wisdom coupled with a refined experience will often carry you past a temporary financial discrepancy.

You are not a young guy – do not dress, act or talk like one. If chicks are your primary aim (and I’d argue they should come second to regaining success) spend what money you have on better shoes, clothes and watches. Develop a refined taste.

Frequent restaurants and events reserved for successful people. Spend the money. Make it your aim to find out where the rich play and be there. Go alone if necessary at first just to break into the scene and make contacts. Have a legitimate well rehearsed background ready to share with inquisitive patrons. Make it plausible and reality based lest you be found a complete fraud. Most importantly, keep your financial means a mystery – all wealthy people do anyway. Wealthy people (particularly men) will probe for you to reveal your standing, i.e. how wealthy you are in comparison to them. Be coy, evasive and adept at redirecting the focus off you.

Tip service people well and pump them for information – they know when and where these events go down, who’s who and can often hook you up to get in. Ask and yee shall receive – so ask!

Break the ice with the attached women present. Women excel at social situations and will go out of their way to bring you in. They are mostly older and insecure of their fading beauty. Charm them to the point they wonder if you’re hitting on them. Even if they think you are it will be an oasis of flattery in a desert of inattention. Their man will make your acquaintance, expect it. Break any noticeable tension by bringing him up to speed with your conversation. He will either adopt a frame of acceptance consistent with his woman or deem you a competitor to be one upped. Yield to his frame with subtle ego strokes winning him over and probing for opportunity.

Find your hustle. Money brings opportunity. Age bestows wisdom, trust and respect. Capitalize. Connect the dots and make something happen. If you were once successful you are not poor, you uncompensated for your experience. Yeah, its word games but adopt it, live it. There are many ways to offer value, the best is connecting people you know with those in need. Money will follow. Assume you are successful and people will too.

Mind your tongue. Speak intelligently and know when to STFU, its the most important skill to have here. Wealthy people especially will put you into a box based on their first impressions of you. Educate yourself on matters the rich in your area contend with. I recommend subscribing to Audible. Mind the liquor it will out you. Avoid promoting yourself and tread lightly at first until you find your feet. But do convey a passion for opportunity tempered by wisdom and experience from you prior success. Assume a rich bright future and your enthusiasm will be contagious. Do so while keeping you cards close. Allow as much intrigue to build around you as possible, never fully revealing yourself.

If I had to recommend one area to speak intelligently on it is real
estate. (it’s also an area ripe with opportunity) Preferably real estate projects in your local market. Its followed by any
person of substance so learn the lingo, ask intelligent questions on
local projects and become in the know. Real Estate has the added benefit of explaining your present lack of liquidity. Many a rich person is or has been “property poor”. Their holdings could fetch millions were they to sell despite their present meager revenues. If you are going to have fictitious holdings make them well out of the area and in an entity such as a Trust or LLC. Rich people usually know who has what locally so don’t give yourself away.

Your next car should convey status. You can get a Benze, BMW, Jag, Rover etc for a reasonable price 5 years out. It will come with more miles than the same money can buy but….

So where is the advice on chicks? Simple, open them up to your (new) world. Bring them along on your ‘rich’ adventures. Expose them to your opportunities and enthusiasm. You need them to accompany you to the next event. Tell her to dress hot and formal drop hints that she should be on her best behavior. Presume she is beneath you and your peers.

Some pointed feedback. If your asking for advice you have lost your ‘Alpha’. Not hating just pointing out your present lack of creativity and drive. Your gonna need those qualities if you follow my advice above so get busy…

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Thanks Sundance, a lot of good stuff there.

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A lot of that “advice” is much easier said than done. You are going to dress up, drive a 5 year old beamer up to a swanky club / restaurant / theater and just start mingling with the upper crust huh? Lol. Gimme a break.

Dude gets a “A” for effort tho..

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Yeah you’re right. Just stay home and watch TV. Why risk failure? TV is safe

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Did I say that? Dont put words in my mouth. Just be realistic. Nobody that isnt in the “upper crust world” by virtue of family, position or power just breaks into it by mingling around those types of people. They would sniff that out within minutes no matter how tight your game is. Not trying to shoot your ideas down, but your suggestions seem ludicrous at best.

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Not every successful man was born into his success. There are plethora of examples of men who worked their way up the financial ranks via social connections by being able to assimilate and charismatic enough where folks just want to do business with them. This includes investment banker scammers too.

Sundance — thanks for sharing.

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You should write a book on high brow game. I’m feeling what you say and would like to know exact phrases on how to be coy and aloof bcuz vagueness is a good tool. Keep writing and post on Rooshs latest entries does dont have to search the archives excessively to find your nuggets of wisdom.

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Im 55 and in the same “mediocre” boat finance wise. I have a fairly decent career going but I doubt I will be very wealthy, just average or a bit beyond. I have a pretty nice house and 3 cars. Im pretty young looking and have for the last 6 months been hitting the gym pretty good. My body is shaping up, Im dressing sharper, and reading RoK and this site have been helping a little with my frame / attitude. Been getting a few smiles at work from a girl that is maybe a 5 but could be a 7 with some nice heels and a little makeup. Problem is any workplace interaction would be extremely dangerous. All my friends are long gone, married etc. Used to go to bars all the time, but now its just not worth it. A DUI would set me back years, and bars around here suck.
I guess I dont really question my SMV, obviously its low – Its just there is nowhere here in my city to game that presents a good return on investment. I really dont think money is that big of a deal to most decent females. If you have a job, a car, and your own place I think thats good enough for most of them unless they are cunts.
I guess the problem with getting older is your circle of friends disappears and your opportunities for social interactions become pretty limited. There is a coffeeshop nearby that I might go try some “game” in someday.
Anyway, doubt this gives you any perspective other than letting you
know you are not alone. Just keep working out, saving money and reading / developing. Hold your head high.

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As a man in my late 40’s, I’ve noticed that having a Russian girlfriend 20 years younger than I, has done wonders for my libido.

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This website is great. Brilliant satire. Even better are the idiots who actually take this stuff seriously and think that being masculine includes constantly attacking those weaker than themselves in order to feel strong and powerful. Poor, weak, victimized heterosexual males…. :'( Hahaha. Better go read some more on “the game” so you can develop your techniques for compensating for your complete and utter inability to find meaningful sexual relationships. Absolutely hilarious.

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Please refine your definition of “meaningful sexual relationships” with due regard to contemporary western women…..

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You do know what the conclusion that line of thought is, right? It’s that only gay men can have meaningful relationships.

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What I don’t get are these smart ass ego maniacs? Don’t they ever think running that mouth to real people and damaging them inside with their former tongue can bring the irresistae resistance they can’t handle? Shit like that is how 5 o’clock news sound bites come to fruition. You sow that bitter twisted fruit of malicious pride you can also reap a World of irresistable violence. This happens all the time. My favorite band has a song “Watch Your Words” because you could very well piss in the cake of a 1% type that’s on the edge and the aftermath will be ugly. Use wisdom and build each other up not tear oneanother down.

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The rejuvenating drugs being worked on in the labs will give a geezer a boner until he’s buried (and perhaps after), so despair not.

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These are all spot-on.

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This hit home for me. It’s biological. I’m the same age. I feel the same notions.

I have blown off countless women on first dates, preferring to read at home after a long day of work and the gym. Some I make an effort to see again. Others I never bother with. If a woman doesn’t show an ounce of interest after I blow her off, she’s done. Most of these women are younger. I can imagine they are used to blowing men off. Must make their head spin. Funny how the tables turn in every category the older I get.

Not only am I more selective, I’m less patient in other respects. No longer is there a three strike rule. If she does two things that bother me, or one major no-no, I walk away. I have learned too much that indeed, I know when a girl is a certain “type” and not worth my time.

Life is too short. That doesn’t mean I should bang as many women as possible, as I thought when I was younger. It means I value experiences, and if I’m going to have to chase some woman I know nothing about (other than she appears to love attention) then I’m better off improving myself in many other facets of life I enjoy.

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Glad to see I am not the only 50-something guy here. I thought I was one of the few. All power to the guy who says his libido is equal to his twenty year old self. I venture to say that for most of us, decreasing libido post-50 is a fact of life. That means you need to be much more strategic in how you expend your energy. It also means that using your hand is a no-no unless that is your only outlet.

I agree with the others who say that a divorcee or widow who is done with child-rearing is your best bet. Most likely she has had a healthy dose of reality dealt to her by then. But watch how she talks about her ex. If she is trash-talking him today, that’s how she will be talking about you later.

Another thing is that post 50 (maybe even post 40), personality and disposition become much more important than looks/hotness. (Although granted you want someone who turns you on.). A six who is generous, warm, a good cook and willing to please beats out a bitchy eight hands down. I have seen more than one older guy go after eye candy only to end up miserable.

Finally, I recommend that it should be someone who will not be financially dependent on you. You want her desire to be for you personally, not for the funds you can bring to the table. Then, anything you do for her is viewed by her as a happy gift rather than her “due”.

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Late to the party but let me give you older gents a bit advice on how you can get out of the game.

There is a nice website out there called Eros. It is set up by locality. Go there and find a nice independent escort in her late 30s or above. It is true that she will be mostly play acting but with a mature escort there is a possibility that you will find somethings in common that will move the relationship beyond simple sex. I’m not talking about true love. What you could get is a little refuge of pleasure and company that can be quite fullfilling. It sure beats trolling bars and websites if all you want is little action and mature conversation.

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Great to see successful older gents chime in. Love the bitching at Mr Anomy and others. Let me rain on the whine parade – he’s right. If you are mediocre past 35 all you’ll get is scraps.

Women love their children, women desire men – men of status. Status is most reliably measured by wealth. Wealth brings priviledge, respect and the service of others. It It opens doors the average man cannot.

From the dawn of civilization wealth measured status and commanded the best women. I have not always been wealthy but by the success of my own achievements I now witness everyday its privilege and admiration. Wealth is power and signifies superiority over lesser men. Wealth is rarely achieved without raw ambition, tenacity and courage. Wealth keeps score – believe it.

“Game” teaches men how to mimic the confident disposition, boldness and irreverence normally born of success. These qualities come naturally by outperforming your fellow man and draw women like flies to honey. After 35 this disposition unaccompanied by tangible markers (i.e. wealth) is as hollow and frail as a paper tiger.

Anyone can brag on the internet but there’s a lesson here for young men willing to accept it. DO NOT make the pursuit of women your primary goal in life. Sure it’s a skill that you must learn but keep it in perspective. Use your 20’s to build you knowledge, character and strategy AND THEN CAPITALIZE ON IT. If all you do is focus on notches and mimicking the social dominance normally reserved for successful men you will sputter into dull mediocrity or pathetic loserdom by middle age.

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Cool story bro. Actually, wealth really isnt that “be-all, end-all” that you mature playahs are cracking it up to be. Lots of people have money these days. If you have money and you are here boasting about thats why women like mature guys? Dont lead these young dudes down that path.

This shit is just as hard or harder when you get older – money, looks, nice physique etc.

Not that much changes. You probably will develop a good sense of style though – that does come with time. And charm, charisma, the tone, cadence and inflection of your words and how eloquently you articulate yourself. Soft-skills. If its about money, then they are gold diggers.

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I’m not exactly sure of your point so I don’t want to make assumptions. However, it appears focused on one single source of satisfaction – pussy. When your a young man without a lot of lays pussy is an novel, thrilling reward for your effort. It may seem like the most amazing thing ever. But ask anyone with a 3 digit notch count and they will almost certainly tell you it’s great but there’s more to life.

Money, assets, investments, businesses – these are merely how our society has chosen to keep score of success.

The “soft skills” you mention: “style … charm, charisma, the tone, cadence and inflection of your words and how eloquently you articulate yourself” will indeed help you win the approval of women who will in turn oblige you.

While the thrill of that hunt is amazing, I think you’ll find your energy, skills and indeed your life misappropriated if limited to solely that pursuit. Those very same skills have the power to win much more than just a woman’s favor.

In real hunting a skilled hunter will present himself as an attractive illusion to his prey – masking his intentions and deploying attractants. In real life you need not be limited to just an illusion.

“Game” skills, both hard and soft, teach traits that have been manifested by top tier men for generations which women are drawn to. Young men can spend their lives mimicking these traits and fooling their prey and subsequently attain a quality notch count. I advocate becoming the real thing – an authentically successful man.

I don’t need you to agree. Mine is a perspective you can easily discard. Use your judgement and chart your own course. But know this, if you want to be more than an adept illusionist you’ll need to build your foundation early. The alternative is facade eternally resting on the approval of the next random chick.

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“I’m not exactly sure of your point so I don’t want to make assumptions.
However, it appears focused on one single source of satisfaction –
pussy.”

I am probably as old as you are. I dont have a “3 digit notch count” either. Seriously, who gives a fuck about “notch counts” What the fuck, are we still in high school? Ive fucked some beautiful young females – big deal, So, no Im not “focused” on “one single source of satisfaction -pussy”
Though ummm, thats kinda the purpose of dudes blog isnt it?

You said you were not sure what my point was – let me clarify.
“Wealth is power and signifies superiority over lesser men. Wealth is rarely achieved without raw ambition, tenacity and courage”

Bullshit. I deal with wealthy people every day. Some of them are very relaxed and nice people. They look to help others, donate money and time and I believe honestly care about people.
Most wealthy people are just pricks. I dont like to assume either, but I have a feeling you and My Anomy fall into that category.

These are the kind of people with a million dollars that arent happen until they have 5 million. And really, in the world of HNW and UHNW individuals thats pretty much pocket change anyway.
Wealth is achieved through very few means, over time, appreciation of stocks, property. Sure if you inherited a business from daddy or started one – good on you.

The average dude reading this blog will be lucky to get gainful long term employment out of college, much less build wealth while paying down student loans.

Fiat money is only worth what you can buy with it.
Money is just a video game, digital numbers, its not some magic thing to “focus” on either.
You can discard my perspective as well. Young guys should travel, save, read, enjoy food, the arts, music, whatever they want.

Wealthy people may impress you. They dont impress me. Its whats inside that counts.

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Ex: “Most wealthy people are just pricks…..I have a feeling you and My Anomy fall into that category.”

Apparently due solely to the fact that our view contradicts with yours. Telling.

“Its whats inside that counts.”
Hard not to chuckle. You’re absolutely correct….if you’re speaking to mommy. But if you want to consistently pull top tier chicks 10+ yrs your jr…YGBFKM.

Caveat emptor

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“Wealthy people may impress you. They dont impress me. Its whats inside that counts.”

You need to get off your soapbox pal. No one here is impressed by your Mother Teresa rant. You sound worse than a women. Stop embarrassing yourself.

This isn’t a debate about what’s more important money and power or being a kind hearted person. The fact is most of the human race equates happiness with money, good looks and popularity. The second fact is that the majority of hot women desire that guy. I’m not debating whether or not that is right or wrong, good or bad. I’m just telling it like it is.

By the way pal, how is you telling the world how superior you are to the rich and famous because you are so “real” only caring about what’s on the inside any better? You are being just as arrogant! At least we are not hiding our arrogance behind some pansy-ass statement. Trying to elevate yourself by putting down others never works so just don’t do it.

If I say my life experience would dwarf yours, am I being arrogant? That’s “REAL” life experience. I’m not talking about something you get from reading books but I’m talking about the kind that comes from true position and power. The level of people I’ve met, places I’ve seen, things accomplished, adventures experienced and on and on. Life experience is what makes you interesting, well rounded and real.

“Most wealthy people are just pricks.”

I’ve rubbed shoulders with a bunch of POOR pricks too. Trust me. Money has nothing to do with it.

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“By the way pal, how is you telling the world how superior you are to the
rich and famous because you are so “real” only caring about what’s on
the inside any better? You are being just as arrogant!”

Really? I re-read my post a couple times. Not sure where I was saying anything about me being superior.

“At least we are not hiding our arrogance behind some pansy-ass statement”.

And what “pansy-ass statement” would that be? That wealth doesnt impress me? Did I hit a nerve?

You didnt really speak to any of my points – you just twisted things around and contrived your little ad hominem response to make your widdle bwuised ego feel better.

“If I say my life experience would dwarf yours, am I being arrogant?”

Now – doesnt that question just look stupid?

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Well said…..

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Just turned 32 and I must say…you nailed this one. Been trying to tailor my game accordingly and wondering if it was just me. Haha. Thanks

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Yes, yes, and of course. I thought that it was me, that I didn’t care any more, and it was. At 37 years I’m less inclined to screw with the flakes, the nonsense, and the acting to bang/accept oral from anyone less that a solid 8 simply due to the amount of sex I had when I was 19, 30, and 35 years of age. My nonchalance (unfeigned) and my boredom actually had a BCBG Max Azaria model champing at the bit to give me oral in my car. When it was shown that my car was actually too small to accommodate anything other than uncomfortable reverse cowgirl (A Saturn Sky sports convertible– bad engineering on their part, all cars should have standard room for B.J.s!), she made me move to her vehicle where the act was magnificently accomplished. All of this occurred without my desiring it. I wish I’d known at 19, I had to have gotten a bigger bedpost for all the notches.

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I’m 28 & although my sex drive hasn’t decreased, my interest in females has dramatically dropped.

Conversations which more often than not land a hottie are like bad re-runs on loop. A monotonous job even…

I’ve found going out & just hanging out with the guys to be far more satisfying.

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Experience with age shows that you would rather fuck in a bathroom stall instead in a car during the day time in a public parking lot. Lol

Good post for us 30s getting back to the game

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I am glad I do not have to do all that crap. Makes me appreciate the humdrum routine of marriage.So I will add something about Isaac Newton. He never played game. Never interested. Harnessed all his being toward science, astrology, alchemy, astronomy, spirituality. On his death bed, he was asked the key to his success. His answer ?

“I am a virgin”.

He used all the creative forces of his soul including sex and harnessed it toward exploration.

Chasing women saps your vitality and creativity. Unless you use it like Roosh as the source of creativity.

I am so glad a peaceful marriage has allowed me to quit worrying about all the soul sucking things that dating and a bad woman can have concerning vitality.

Chasing after women or being with a bad woman is like living with a vampire. Learned that in my early 20’s when I spend 5 years with a psycho.

Now, I am able to devote my entire free time toward my hobby (which is not much time, but week-ends and afternoons) to suburban micro-farming. Thinking about problems such as esthetics and productivity.

In a way, from self-betterment perspective, I feel I was lucky as, like Roosh, I have found a way to combine the processes of self-development with dating/marriage. But my path is very different.

As a young dude, I was dating foreign women living abroad. So even when I was putting up with psycho bitching and engaged in fruitless arguments, at least I was improving my language abilities. Learned French that way. Arguing with a bitch allows for creative use of language. I would not recommend that, but at least I had something to show for my torture.

Now, as a gardener, I have a more peaceful dynamic. My wife is a top level cook and the joy she expresses when I bring in organic quality produce for her cuisine is a wonderful dynamic.

My advice is the opposite of Roosh’s. Find a way to uncompromisingly be your authentic self. Develop your hobbies and interests. Put them first.

If so, the good women will want to be a part of the gig which is your cool existence.

That and be lucky.

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Men are sexist pigs. That’s it. I’m moving to Mars