How To Bang A 9

When you go out over the weekend and get a batch of numbers, you’re almost guaranteed to get a response from the ugliest girl you picked up while not getting a response from the hottest one. It only makes sense that lower value girls will see you as higher value.

For example, say you went to the clubs this weekend and got five numbers. Three of the girls were 6s, one was a 7, and one was an 8. Come Monday when you start contacting them, which girl would you want to agree to go out on a date with you? Of course the 8. Even if the personality of a 6 was superior, your desire for beauty transcends personality and you will be more inspired to bang the hottie. But by Tuesday, only two of the 6s contacted you. You didn’t get a response from the others.

Now fast forward one year later where you have some type of niche that puts you into contact with beautiful women. You go out to some exclusive parties and get five numbers. Three of the girls were 8s and two of the girls were 9s. The ugliest girl of that bunch contacts you and you eventually bang her. The “ugliest,” of course, was an 8. A girl of her caliber wouldn’t have hit you back the previous year, but now you banged it.

A lot of guys ask me how to bang 8s and above. It’s pretty simple actually: get a lot of numbers of 8s and above. If you’re getting numbers of 9s, that means two things: you have capable game and you have access to beauty. It’s just a matter of time until you smash top shelf.

Sadly, the average guy has neither access nor game. He interacts with mostly 6s and talks to a bonafide 8 maybe once a month if he’s lucky. He gets super excited when he meets that 8 and hopes that it will translate into a bang, but of course it doesn’t, because the top end of your number closes will rarely convert. If it does, it’s more luck than skill. Guys treat the phone number of an 8 like gold. They spit needy game without realizing it and are then disappointed when the girl doesn’t even reply back to a text, when that result was easy for me to predict.

Instead of relying on luck, it’s better to rely on math. Get a lot of numbers of hot girls and eventually one will come through, just like how you can get a 6 to come through today because you have approached a lot of them. You need to play the numbers game with a 9 just like you are doing now with 7s and below.

“But Roosh, I don’t get opportunities with 8s and above. I don’t meet enough of them to play the numbers game.”

Then you won’t get them. What do you have to do where talking to 8s on a weekly basis is routine? I’ve put myself into some nice Eastern European cities, but even then, access is an issue. There are 9s in Zagreb, but I was only able to do one solid approach a week on them, which wasn’t enough. Until you’re doing at least 5 approaches a week or more on the talent you want, the math won’t compute in your favor.

A few weekends ago I got six numbers, all low to high 7s with one high 8. Did I get excited when I got the number of the 8? Nope. I don’t play the luck game, I play the math game. And the math game says that I need to put myself in front of much higher talent and get more than just one number of an 8 or above.

I’m sure you get a little jealous when you see a guy with no game and no muscles with a smoking hot girl. Don’t be. He had the access you don’t have, and played the numbers game on a tier of women you don’t see often. Look at that man and ask yourself how you get math on your team just like he did. Then it’s just a matter of time.

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3rd Millennium Men
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Excellent article Roosh. It’s true you become quickly desensitized to hotness and don’t see 8+ girls as anything special, or treat them any differently, when you’re used to them! That’s what drives them wild- when they’re used to everything being given to them and you don’t pay them special attention because they won the genetic lottery, their brain circuits scramble.

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guys take a look at this (in Croatian):
http://www.jutarnji.hr/djevojke-se-udruzile-protiv-splitskog-casanove–zele-ga-i-prijaviti-policiji–/1093136/

basically several pumped and dumped chicks go to police and court to sue the womanizer

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Great advice. I love being that guy with no muscles.

I think this would make a great companion piece to your article: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-6246.html

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Great post, being a fucking cunt can help, in the EE countries though Value is King, you’re right about there being a lot of 9s in Zagreb, it’s great.

Bojangles
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Chaco nothing to worry bout there.

Red Pill
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Roosh’s shit is golden.

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Where to access in USA? These EE I’m sure are in the mecca of NYC.
How to meet when you are alone. I live 20 minutes outside the city in NJ and was curious if it would be worth he trip to venture out to street game. Any suggestions for a guy like me?

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Here’s some solid advice. I work in fashion. It’s an industry that will put you in contact with a lot of women. A job or internship in either NYC or LA will put you in the right setting to start getting those opportunities. These places include the photographer’s studio as an assistant. There are Public Relations firms that design packaging and look books. Then there are the design studios that design the clothes

However, don’t necessarily expect to find them at the office. You are more likely to run into fag hags and attention whore’s like the blonde girl eating poutine in Roosh’s latest Toronto post. The majority of the girls you work with will range from 5’s and 6’s with the occasional 7.

The 9’s and up will be found at the photo shoots and sample fittings that come up from time to time. At the job I occasionally freelance, there’s usually an average of 2 shoots a month. A lot of places may have more. Fittings involve the model coming in and tailoring the clothes to fit her for a show or a shoot.

Your exposure to the 9’s will depend on how often your job takes you to the photo studio. You will have little competition, since most of the guys there will be gay, and it will at the very least make you less anxious around beautiful women.

If you do land a situation like this, the most important thing is to ACT LIKE YOU DO NOT CARE THAT YOU ARE AROUND THE MODELS. They’re mostly used to dealing with gay stylists and straight photography assistants who have seen hundreds of models. Any whiff of nervous betaness, and you may get sent to the back room making gift bags and doing lunch runs.

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@rxman

I live right outside NYC in Union City. If you are that close the city, take advantage and start getting part time jobs at studios and see where that takes you.

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such an idiot!

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Being the administrator of a dating website, I stand behind this number’s game theory 100%. Now, most girls on the website being 5’s & 6.. I rarely holler at any of them, they are often needy and either ugly, overweight or weird. However, the 7.5’s & + are usually an easy bang, so I do, say what’s up.

Now 9’s don’t come very often (maybe 1 girl in 1000 that registers I’d say), and when they do they aren’t as easy, or as needy as the 7.5’s & 8’s I usually date and fuck without any problems. But Roosh’s math theory still applies to this, even if it’s online. If I work on a substantial number of 9’s, eventually one will fall through.

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Pretty much hopeless in the US unless you are a local or national celebrity. There’re so few 8’s or above, even the 6’s are pedestalize to bitchy attitude and slutdom. We’re fucked.

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yeah Charles nailed it

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One of your best posts yet. You still stress the importance of math unlike the majority of guys who give dating advice

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@Charles
You might be able to do this at a newish high end lounge with expensive drinks. OR
In a college town bar with a poor job market.

Otherwise forget about being surrounded by 8s and 9s in the States.

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Roosh, you make a very good point.
I get so many guys who get into game, come to me and ask the exact same thing.
My response is often the same –

“The quality of girl you’re with is an actual reflection on how valuable you see yourself as a person”

The guys that get average girls are only with them because they don’t feel entitled or worthy for a girl who’s strikingly gorgeous.

The truth is, every girl is equal. The minute we put a number on a girl, we’re essentially putting them on a pedestal.

The best advice i can give to anyone if they’re looking for a practical solution to get rid of their fear of talking to hot girls is to simply focus on approaching ‘only’ the hot girls.

As Roosh says, it’s all a numbers game. you will get rejected as much as you will by average girls. So might as well increase your odds of sleeping with hot girls by talking to more of them.

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Excellent post, it’s actually called “the law of averages” where the more you approach, the more the women will tend towards the average. Approach hot women and the average will be “hot women”. The main question is, ACCESS. where to find those hot women ?
any advice ? I know that high end clubs and lounges where a drink is 20$ are a place where these women congregate . any other niches?

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So its all about the numbers game….well now we gotta find the 8 n 9 s hang out….modellin studios?

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Well it helps to be at least a 7 with tight game.
Virgile kents law…..with game u shoot 1-2 points higher than u…3 if yr lucky

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Be honest, have you ever actually banged a 9?

Nigel big game davis
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Roger that,

Now I bang 9’s all the time, if you consider 450 pounds of beef a 9 (I do). And Roosh is correct, the math game is the way to go. Show your Asian friends that you are really good at math, and get out there and get your notches up. I daygame at walmart for this very reason.

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Too true, too true. I struggled and struggled with game, went out as often as I could, studied and read all I could find, always thinking that it wouldn’t matter where I went, I would still be a shy slightly geeky guy no matter where I was. I would only meet a girl I really wanted about once a month at best. EVERYTHING CHANGED when I started driving 2.5 hrs to a major city for dance events weekly. All of a sudden I had the experience of 8s and 9s chasing after me and wanting to dance with me. When there are multiple hot girls in the room they start to compete for the attractive guys. Put one of them in a small town alone with the same hot guy and she will get all shy or awkward or even bitchy because THEY ARE LIVING IN SCARCITY TOO! After I regularly had the experience of being able to meet multiple attractive women in one night I could easily get past all the resistance I got from the occasional hottie I met back home, because THERE WAS NO LONGER ANY WEIGHT to the interaction. It was as if I had shed 200lbs. The value of placing yourself in a situation where you regularly interact with a lot of women AND where you are comfortable and having fun as a guy is not emphasised nearly enough. Sure, once you have the mindset etched in you can pull anywhere, but there is no better way to train the abundance mindset than to experience abundance.

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every man should read this. I banged two 9s in my life. When? The moment I didn’t give a fuck about them…I fucked them sweetly.

If time allows you for, find that niche and approach high quality. You won’t regret it.

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Working 9 to 5 in jersey full time job as pharmacist but no access to EE girls. About 150 women in the office and 15 men, many 2s 3s 4s and a few 5s..during breaks not a great environment to practice in break room as there are only a handful under age 30.. weather is getting warmer which is in our favor, there’s a large upscale flagship mall in paramus which supposedly attracts cute girls about 20 min away, along with whole foods,new York sports club, and only a 1 hr bus ride into NYC.. maybe hitting these places up once a week and the local community college bar wouldn’t be a bad idea. Still access to EE is so scarce and gives us a sense that they are completely outnumbered by anti-EE girls in the US its disheartening. When our mental reality becomes clouded to believe there existence is being diminished and society is evolving in a downward spiral what is a man to do? Its hard to keep composure.

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@rxman

You have access to drugs? And you’re probably trained in chemistry? Put that stoichiometry you learned in school to work and start running E-game in the club! Get the fuck out of Jersey during the weekend and go Pacha in Midtown or check out Brooklyn.

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There are some bars in rich neighbourhoods that have cheap drink nights young people go and they’re all pretty. Sometimes I do the 45 minute drive out there and put myself in there.

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A QUESTION: WHAT’S AN 8?
Could you please make a post comparing 7s, 8s and 9s?
It’s hard to distinguish for sure.

THANK YOU

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E-game. Have not heard that one. Im sure that would work well. Went to pacha once but the cover was whack.. $50 or something ridiculous. I am around drugs but wouldn’t mess around with them to get girls. Remember we were talking about good girls. Wait is there such a thing anymore? I quit drinking so might just hit up these bars no drink, and chat up girls. There’s one 5 min out. Rich town might work, I figured all girls would go to city but on weeknight prob a good shot to try, especially on a random Wednesday night. Ruxman strategy might be better than the other guy who suggested college bar a town with poor economy.

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To bang 8’s and 9’s in US you need to have tight game, and you need to have good looks, a guy whos a 5 is gonna have a hard time picking up chics of that caliber. EE or SA, differnt story.

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Tons of escorts in South America and EE are 9s and 10s if one is in a rush to get laid fast.

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When I was in high school I banged several 9s(10s are subjective so i will refrain from that rating)but I had wealthy parents, a convertible, and access to a mansion. In college I banged a lot of 6s ,7s,8s but rarely a 9 because the field was leveled and the girls were more aware of their status.Now as an adult in the real world 9s prove very elusive. I have a friend in NY who gets them on the regular but he is a successful artist, and NY is target rich.I guess Roosh is correct access is key.

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i think most guys forget it truly is a numbers game. closed a 9 (she considers herself a 10) on R and R by ignoring her. to her, it translated into my being “intimidating”. all i did was be the one guy around that didn’t pedestalize her.

closed another SOLID 9 in san diego that posed for playboy (non nude work). she had a dude that eventually sheated on her and i TOLD her she was going out with me. she’s been pining over a week.

took her out for drinks and to dance. as she loosened up the guys tried to move in on her which made her grind into me more to fend them off. took her back to my place. +1.

never spoke about it after it went down. all i did was hold frame and move in when i had the opportunity.

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I think that access is the most underrated and least discussed aspect of game.

It would be great to see more posts here and on ROK about how to improve your access (like comment #8, solid tip Dr. Giggles).

Does anyone here have some experience going from being an average joe to breaking through social barriers and getting better access?

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I have a hard time rating myself.
I think I am a 7, but when I am in the bus stop it is funny how men who are driving or passing by me stop and stare at me and turn their heads, smile at me and some even say hi to me and they don’t even know me.
so maybe I am an 8/9 ?

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“Then it’s just a matter of time”

Yes; time and space. Expand your horizons. Where can you go and what can you do today; meanwhile, don’t forget the past

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My first comment here, im italian and in my life i met serveral women from different countries….for me its simple to answer of question how to bang a 9, if u are rich man u dont have problem, money will help a lot to catch top women, otherwise u need to be very handsome…IMHO if u are ugly and poor u dont have any possibility except pay for sex wink
Culture and not level of education is quite important, sense of humor too but we are not hypocrite and when u are ugly like a monkey do u really think u have opportunity to select girls or women? just a wonderful dream for most people in the world wink

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LOL how Reagan slaps her–and she grabs the wrong cheek.

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Access is underrated and undiscussed because it is actually hard to get. You usually have to be somebody or know somebody. You won’t get it reading a book or saying lines or whatever.

But you need to be realistic. Do you have trouble getting 6’s and 7’s? Are you regularly smashing them with abandon? If you have trouble with them, your problems will not go away if you magically had access to the Playboy mansion.

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Talking about quality of women is quite difficult because for somebody, what is 7 for me, become immediately 9 or 10, so it could be interesting to add photos to understand what is top and what is low level. For example in my mind perfection doesnt exist and 10 is unreal…9 could be Elle Mcpherson, Cindy Crawford and i suppose that here nobody had love affair with women of this caliber…lets be more realistic and say that 8 is the top u can get in your life if u are handsome, funny with culture and u have a bit of money wink
U have to look at yourself in the mirror more often and be honest to understand that if u are 4 u cant get 8, never happen or just if u pay a lot of money wink

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Personal trainer checking in. Muscles yes looks yes access yes money no. Seems to be enough for now.

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what would you rate this girl in the 1-10 scale?
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Soup
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This is great because it reduces SMV to numbers. The numbers game helps to de-pedestalize women, reduce anxiety, and help build confidence.

Very good post.

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Don’t ask me how I got here, being a woman, but I like diversity of thought, provided it’s sincere and from minimally intelligent people, in my life, and you have to come to internet places like this to read things like this. What I would like to know is, if anyone could enlighten me, non-rudely, how do you learn your own rating out of 10? What constitutes a 7, 8 or 9. Opinions vary, but there’s probably considerably correlation between men’s responses, as well. Would most popular actresses be an 8+ if you met them, sober? I ask because I want to understand ( both players and honorable men, whom I am interested in, are moved by hotness, but the first type talk about it more) but you can’t trust people you know to be honest.

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Question for me? IMHO the most interesting woman is the fourth, i would rate her 7 and the worst is the third, my personal rate is 5…the others around 6. Anyway i cant see the all body, the size and only with face its difficult to give the right number wink
I noticed these girls have long chin, i dont like it at all..but this is an opinion of italian man.

Anonymous
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Mr Riburosa, what picture are you referring to?

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high 7 in her best pictures

Anonymous
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i have a hard time reading you.
i think i’m done with this blog!

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I was referring to the pics asker posted…5 pics and then u can judge them too.
P.S: if i could write in my native language i would express my opinion much better than i do now like a modern cicero…but even with mistakes its clear my point of view wink

dannyfrom504
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you want access to ass. take a part time job at a local restaraunt working in the kitchen. all the cooks bang the waitress’ and hostess’. worked ryan’s steak house part time and cleaned house. after work everyone heads out for drinks. you ALWAYS end up hooking up.

i’m a ficture at 2 spots by my house. the waitress’ i get are the new ones. i get validation by knowing all the other staff so, thats a huge plus.

you want to bang strippers. go to a club, become friends with the dj, then bartender, be cool to the girls but DO NOT vip. i’ll tip ocassionally. but i mostly help the girls hustle betas. number close. one week of “text flirts”. ebentually we hook up.

rinse repeat.

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This is a good argument for direct day game. Not going up to a girl saying you want to bang her, but approaching her, mildly complimenting her, getting into a conversation and then number closing or instant-dating. Any guy living in a decently populated metropolitan area will see several 8s+ every week. You must approach them. Indirect game and night game are too situation-specific and pose their own problems. If you see a girl at a bus stop, approach, walking down the street, approach, shopping at Whole Foods, approach, etc. Body language, eye contact, vocal tone will take you much further than any routine, so instead of memorizing an act you can work on developing yourself as a man and projecting that to the women you approach.