If you believe in the secular lies that underpin Western culture, you probably see yourself as an animal that should not be denied pleasure. You believe that sex is one of the principal features of life, perhaps its only joy, and so we should all succumb to it whenever the mood strikes us. Besides, it’s “biological.” We should sexualize others, sexualize ourselves, watch pornographic entertainment, obsess over sex continually, and fornicate without intending to reproduce. We must all adopt a “sex positive” outlook and treat our existence as just a means to diddling our genitals and achieving orgasmic release.

I don’t believe we are intended for recreational sex, in part because I was a world champion at it and got nothing for my efforts: no lasting happiness, no inner peace, no love, and most severely, no family. I donated the prime years of my life in exchange for practically nothing, just temporal physical entertainment, and so it wasn’t especially difficult for me to choose a life of chastity, which is demanded of me as a non-married Christian. The implementation of chastity in a sex-obsessed society, however, is challenging, especially since I’m still a healthy, vigorous man who has the skill and know-how to fornicate with random women.

Here are the four ways I’m resisting urges of the flesh. I tackled these one at a time in sequential order, but you may attempt to fulfill them all at once.

1. Stop watching pornography

I believe hardcore porn is a direct tool that Satan uses to corrupt the minds of males of all ages. I can’t think of something more directly evil with not only destroying the innocence of young boys, but also fully grown men who become addicted to watching other men sexually devour and humiliate broken women. Porn programs you to think of sex only in recreational terms and to view women as masturbatory glove sleeves that happen to be attached to a human being. Even worse, it desensitizes you to sex and makes it more difficult to be intimate with a real woman (i.e. your wife). Moderation of porn still introduces a drop of poison into your cup, so I advise you to erase all the porn you have saved on your computer and delete all your favorite bookmarks in one go.

It doesn’t stop at porn. You also have to stop viewing sexy images of women in bikinis, lingerie, and yoga pants. Even movies that are rated PG-13 must be watched carefully: close your eyes or turn away during scenes of passion. When I watched the horrible final season of Game Of Thrones, I turned away from all sex scenes, no matter how mild, whereas in seasons prior I’d have no problem letting the show’s producers plant seeds of sex into my psyche.

2. View women in public from only the neck up

Once you get the “virtual” world of sex handled, it’s time to move into the real world. When I was still in Poland upon receiving the faith, I was tempted daily by countless beautiful women who seemed desperate to show men their sex. They wanted me to stare at them because it gave them power in the form of attention and validation while steering my mind toward sexual thoughts.

I solved this by viewing women only from the neck up. This can be extremely difficult because fashion companies design clothing to frame the breasts and butt. These two areas are the centerpieces that help sell clothing to insecure women who want to feel sexy, meaning that even if you look only at a girl’s face, the periphery of your vision will still catch sight of her breasts, especially in the case of a plunging neckline or extra tight blouse. Your eyes, in spite of your best efforts, will stray and look downwards, but a glance is quite different from a prolonged, lustful stare. The latter will provide more than enough fuel for evil to penetrate your mind.

God created beauty for us to appreciate and admire, so I don’t believe in poking your eyes out. While some women can sexualize their face with makeup or by injecting their lips with plastic filler, you will find it far more difficult to think of sex upon staring at a naturally beautiful face than a big butt or pair of breasts. If you’re single like me, viewing women from the neck up has an added benefit of encouraging you to only meet girls who have genuine beauty, instead of a tainted sexuality that she displays to all men of the world in order to extract cheap pleasure. In other words, if you’re interested in a girl after a thorough examination of her breasts or butt, you’re giving consent for a woman to place sexual shackles upon your wrists.

3. Do not feed sexual thoughts that enter your mind

When sexual thoughts about a female entered my mind, I used to feed them by enhancing the fantasy and, if I was in bed, stroking my penis as if I were a monkey. I would essentially self-hypnotize myself with sex by keeping the fantasy alive in my mind as long as possible to feel a maximal state of arousal that could lead to a satisfactory session of masturbation. If I wasn’t in bed, I would let the thoughts take hold until I at least got a firm erection. I applied no will in stopping the sexual thoughts. If anything, I welcomed them when they came, a sign that I was still a “healthy” man with “high” testosterone and optimal “biology.” In order to halt this pattern, I began reciting the Jesus Prayer whenever a sexual thought entered my mind:

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

For some thoughts, you may only need to recite the prayer a few times. For potent fantasies, you may need to recite it on and off for hours or even days. Focus on each individual word of the prayer and be persistent. If you are encountering a sustained demonic attack, I advise you to add sessions of the Jesus Prayer well after the sexual thoughts abate in order to ensure that the fire is completely extinguished. It may help you to get a prayer rope and recite the prayer in blocks of fifty or one-hundred. The fact that sinful passion can be defeated by asking Christ for mercy shows that it’s difficult to be in full communion with God while also feeding your lust, which is why our elites had to kill God before ushering in the sexual revolution. Soon, you’ll be able to stop a sexual thought just by saying “stop” to yourself or shaking your head, but for cases where that doesn’t work, call on Jesus to help you.

Recently, an attractive woman made it clear that she desired me for sex. I had to fight this urge for multiple nights. She even entered in my dreams, where she was more seductive than in person. To overcome my passion for her, I recited the Jesus Prayer hundreds of times, and stepped up my prayer rule. After eventually winning this particular battle, Satan has diminished his lustful attacks on me. He now tries to distance me from God through pride, which is a significantly more challenging battle to face than lust.

The goal here is to stop feeding the sexual thoughts that enter your mind instead of attempting to control your thoughts entirely. Sinful thoughts will decrease in frequency over time, but they will not be eliminated completely, because God did give us a sexual nature that is both useful and necessary within the confines of marriage. Beware: if you experience a long streak where no sexual thoughts are entering your mind, it may be an effort by Satan to make you complacent before he hits you with fury. Never proclaim ultimate victory over your passions until this life is finished.

4. Do not masturbate

Masturbation is so normalized in the culture that we think of it as natural as eating, but it’s actually a grotesque behavior. What happens when you witness a dog or cat humping an inanimate object? You probably think it’s funny, and take out your phone to record the scene so that you can share the laughter—in the form of that animal’s humiliation—with other people. It’s no different when you do it. Masturbation, if viewed from the outside in, is a humiliating and degrading act where we treat our bodies like a plastic doll for a moment of gratification that harms our relationship with God.

What’s even more harmful than masturbation is that it requires you to consume pornography, whether on a digital screen or through a fantasy in your mind. In either case, you hypnotize yourself with a scene that is not based in reality. The porn actresses, often a sex trafficking victim or a drug addict who ran away from home, moans in pleasure when she’s actually experiencing both physical and emotional pain. Her affection for the male actor is not real. The sexual images in your mind are also not real. In effect, you have to delude yourself in order to masturbate, a hint to its perversion. I therefore advise you to cease all masturbation without exception.

I know what you’re thinking: it’s impossible not to masturbate. It surely will be impossible if don’t follow the first three guidelines above. If you watch pornography, view women in a sexual way, and feed sexual thoughts that enter your mind instead of praying to Jesus for help, your prostate gland will be busy producing seminal fluid in anticipation of sex, creating a “backed-up” feeling that can even cause testicular pain. Refraining from masturbation will then seem like torture. However, if you faithfully follow the guidelines, and lean on God when you need help, He will help you achieve what you previously thought was impossible. Your body will quietly drain unused seminal fluid and semen faster than you can create it, and you will not experience any pain.

Conclusion

You will be tempted to make exceptions to what I’ve written above. You’ll think that just a little bit of porn won’t hurt you, or that masturbating once in a while is no big deal, or that checking out girls can’t be that bad because you’re “in control,” but I can tell you from experience that slipping just slightly opens the door just enough for Satan to flood your mind with filth. Once the camel’s head is in your boxer shorts, it’s inevitable that you’ll succumb.

I have not found a way to control the lust I have for women unless I go all the way. Otherwise, a small compromise in my willpower will lead to a full-blown crisis, and there I am, my tongue hanging out of my mouth, craving a promiscuous woman’s body. It’s either all or nothing, though when starting off, you can tackle one guideline at a time until you achieve full chastity.

Controlling your lust may be the hardest thing you’ve ever had to do, because the path of least resistance is doing what most other men are doing: viewing women in predominately sexual terms, opening the door when a demon comes knocking with fantasies of sex, accessing Jewish-produced pornography as an aid to your dog-like behavior, and degrading the holy temple that is your body. Cease all those behaviors through willpower, prayer, and faith. If you really want to stop participating in sexual sin, God will help you, as He has helped me.

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R.e point 3 -
Matthew 6:7 - But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

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R.e point 3 -
Matthew 6:7 - But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

He didn't repeat out of vanity, but persistence against lust!

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R.e point 3 -
Matthew 6:7 - But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

The "mindless repetition" factor is more in play here than specifically what is being prayed. You can vainly repeat the entire Psalter. The key is not variety, but sincerity.

That being said, there is a wealth of prayer materials (including the entire Psalter as I mentioned) to lean upon. As well as a rich treasury of devotional hymnody. This is one of my personal favorites for all sorts of worldly concerns, not just lust:

1. What is the world to me
With all its vaunted pleasure
When Thou, and Thou alone,
Lord Jesus, art my Treasure!
Thou only, dearest Lord,
My soul's Delight shalt be;
Thou art my Peace, my Rest,-
What is the world to me!

2. The would is like a cloud
And like a vapor fleeting,
A shadow that declines,
Swift to its end retreating.
My Jesus doth abide,
Though all things fade and flee;
My everlasting Rock,-
What is the world to me!

3. The world seeks to be praised
And honored by the mighty,
Yet never once reflects
That they are frail and flighty.
But what I truly prize
Above all things is He,
My Jesus, He alone,-
What is the world to me!

4. The world seeks after wealth
And all that Mammon offers,
Yet never is content
Though gold should fill its coffers.
I have a higher good,
Content with it I'll be:
My Jesus is my Wealth,-
What is the world to me!

5. The world is sorely grieved
Whenever it is slighted
Or when its hollow fame
And honor have been blighted.
Christ, Thy reproach I bear
Long as it pleaseth Thee;
I'm honored by my Lord,-
What is the world to me!

6. The world with wanton pride
Exalts its sinful pleasures
And for them foolishly
Gives up the heavenly treasures.
Let others love the world
With all its vanity;
I love the Lord, my God,-
What is the world to me!

7. The world abideth not;
Lo, like a flash 'twill vanish;
With all it gorgeous pomp
Pale death it cannot banish;
Its riches pass away,
And all its joys must flee;
But Jesus doth abide,-
What is the world to me!

8. What is the world to me!
My Jesus is my Treasure,
My Life, my Health, my Wealth,
My Friend, my Love, my Pleasure,
My Joy, my Crown, my All,
My Bliss eternally.
Once more, then, I declare:
What is the world to me!

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To the OP: I find one of my greatest struggles in the latter half of point 1: from supposedly non-pornographic media. And these onslaughts seem to be particularly insidious when, in the vein of what St. Paul says, I think I'm standing firm ("be careful that you do not fall"). As St. Peter says, we know the devil is a prowling lion, seeking whom he may devour. We must stay sober and vigilant. When I drink more than I ought my lustful thoughts increase, as well as when I cease from my regular prayers. Try to get in the habit of praying once in the morning and once at evening, in addition to before and after meals. All the better if you can pray the Divine Office at these times.

But even with these aides, as I was saying, the hyper sexualization of the media can be a real struggle. This may mean making the difficult choice to shut out certain TV shows, or at least fast forward through them. I can personally attest to what a difference this can make in my own life. But above all, stay connected to the Divine Service, where you commune with the Lord bodily, and stay accountable to His body in a faithful fellowship of believers. Confess to your pastor/priest, and/or to other men in your congregation who are "undergoing the same kinds of sufferings."

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Those are 4 excellent methods of keeping clarity.

I have extended the definition of porn to include:
-sex scenes in movies
-sex jokes and innuendo in conversation and tv
-ads and images with sexual overtones

It quickly becomes apparent that modern culture is unconsciously seeped in lust.

Very refreshing to be free of it though. Like a loud wind has ceased and the mind is finally calm.

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To the OP: I find one of my greatest struggles in the latter half of point 1: from supposedly non-pornographic media. And these onslaughts seem to be particularly insidious when, in the vein of what St. Paul says, I think I'm standing firm ("be careful that you do not fall"). As St. Peter says, we know the devil is a prowling lion, seeking whom he may devour. We must stay sober and vigilant. When I drink more than I ought my lustful thoughts increase, as well as when I cease from my regular prayers. Try to get in the habit of praying once in the morning and once at evening, in addition to before and after meals. All the better if you can pray the Divine Office at these times.

But even with these aides, as I was saying, the hyper sexualization of the media can be a real struggle. This may mean making the difficult choice to shut out certain TV shows, or at least fast forward through them. I can personally attest to what a difference this can make in my own life. But above all, stay connected to the Divine Service, where you commune with the Lord bodily, and stay accountable to His body in a faithful fellowship of believers. Confess to your pastor/priest, and/or to other men in your congregation who are "undergoing the same kinds of sufferings."

Matthew 5:29-30:

If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

If there is a certain platform or media channel that is feeding your lust, turn away from it. Ask God for help on reducing your dependency on it.

For example, sometimes I browse 4chan/pol/. In the past, I could click on any thread, but now I stay away from threads where I know images of semi-nude women will be posted, even if I'm interested in the topic.

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Good suggestions. Not to make light of the seriousness of the subject but, for me:

5. Age. Turn 40. Since you just have, maybe you’ve felt that middle aged libido reduction

I’ve never felt such a reduction as from 37 to 41, in such a span

For me, at 41, I no longer fiend for it. In fact, I find it somewhat laborious to even get myself off, let alone have to worry about pleasing some woman. When your of that frame of mind, celibacy and standards come easily

Women have enormous power in relations when men are younger, because of lust. Once that goes out the window, they need to be what your looking for. They just do.

Women no longer have any super natural power to be incomplete or with flags, for me. For younger men, it takes diligence, since just getting a steady slice holds enormous weight. They need strength to stick to character. These are good suggestions for them ^

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Good suggestions. Not to make light of the seriousness of the subject but, for me:

5. Age. Turn 40. Since you just have, maybe you’ve felt that middle aged libido reduction

I’ve never felt such a reduction as from 37 to 41, in such a span

For me, at 41, I no longer fiend for it. In fact, I find it somewhat laborious to even get myself off, let alone have to worry about pleasing some woman. When your of that frame of mind, celibacy and standards come easily

Women have enormous power in relations when men are younger, because of lust. Once that goes out the window, they need to be what your looking for. They just do.

Women no longer have any super natural power to be incomplete or with flags, for me. For younger men, it takes diligence, since just getting a steady slice holds enormous weight. They need strength to stick to character. These are good suggestions for them ^

I'm almost 50 and haven't experienced the libido reduction you mentioned. I imagine it must be nice in some ways, but I find that regular sex is necessary to keep my marriage stable and happy. So it's a bit of a challenge sometimes, having as much sexual energy as I ever did but focusing it on one woman as I must. Like many things in life in life it's a matter of "to everything there is a season" as Ecclesiastes says. Like violence, sexual desire isn't necessarily wrong, it's just a matter of when and where you engage in it.

I just wanted to warn the younger guys that controlling your lust doesn't necessarily get easier as you get older.

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Everything in moderation.

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Music can certainly have a powerful influence on human behavior and sexuality...

A leader of the Mormon Church, by chance had an airline seat, right next to rock icon, Mick Jagger! During the 2 1/2 hour flight, they had a very interesting discussion about religion, whether God exists, sex, evolution, the effects of rock music on young people, and the purpose of life. I found what Mick Jagger said rather chilling...

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Screw that. It's impossible. There's better things to do than struggling against things that you can't overcome. Life's too short for all that stress. It's better to briefly enjoy, then let it go. Lust is to life what salt is to fries.

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Screw that. It's impossible. There's better things to do than struggling against things that you can't overcome. Life's too short for all that stress. It's better to briefly enjoy, then let it go. Lust is to life what salt is to fries.

I find struggling against lust to be like playing basketball against Michael Jordan. You can't stop him (it), you can only hope to contain him.

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It's not impossible to control your lust at all. In fact, as time goes on, it becomes easier and easier.

And the physical and mental benefits of celibacy are incredible. I've turned down easy sex with attractive women on multiple occasions just in the last six months, because it's simply not worth it.

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It's not impossible to control your lust at all. In fact, as time goes on, it becomes easier and easier.

And the physical and mental benefits of celibacy are incredible. I've turned down easy sex with attractive women on multiple occasions just in the last six months, because it's simply not worth it.

I cannot picture celibacy being good for me. I used to think of it as a universal evil, but I've come to believe that it can be good for some people. Me, I just fight the good fight every day to keep those desires of the flesh concentrated on my wife, to varying degrees of success.

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Sexual desire is a tool to keep the human race from dying out, and to ideally bond a man and woman together. I suppose "lust" could in some ways be considered a perversion of sexual desire, where it leads people into sin. But I believe that one of the big tests of this life, given by God, is to see how we will handle our sexual urges.

The problem is that within our society, so many people are now single, and marry late, if at all, so immorality is rampant. In the past, people would usually marry young, and stay married. But I realize marriage alone is not a complete protection against having temptation from lust. Married people can still certainly get into trouble. And our culture provides so many temptations, in terms of porn, social media, night clubs, and seductive co-workers and friends, who want to find cheating partners.

Celibacy for many people is simply too much to ask. Or at least they feel that way about it! Lol

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My experience with struggling against lust was somewhat different from Roosh's.

As Henry Makow says, speaking from his own experience, if sex is practiced in a traditional marriage context, the sex urge gradually weakens, eventually dies out and in the end it even leaves you and you forget about it. On the other extreme, if you practice sex as the mainstream obsessively pushes you to, the urge and dissatisfaction increase, the degradation of mind and body gradually worsens and you end up like Hugh Heffner. According to traditional Catholic theology, masturbation is more unnatural (and therefore a worse sin) than simple fornication. All this is I think the main reason that it is harder for mere (ex-)masturbators like me to overcome lust than for (ex-)fornicators like Roosh.

But this difference also surprisingly brings some benefits. Believe me or not, even though I had daily contact with the other sex as much as anyone else in my school/college years I never had the lustful gaze problem Roosh describes. That's because I came to lust directly through hardcore porn without real girls, so to speak. Ironically, it was only when I began learning about Christian modesty rules after my conversion that I started to pay attention to those details. A small part of porn is intended to teach people how to come to or engage in immoral behaviour and is therefore realistic. But the vast majority is fictional, escape-from-your-daily-boredom, sometimes utopian, and as removed from reality and real sex as possible.

When I started fighting my addiction, I read a lot on subject, especially from Christian writers. My science-oriented mind was usually disappointed by those readings, but I did encounter a few gems once in a while.

First, Swiss XVIII-th century Doctor Tissot's book on the biology of masturbation. It was Tissot that taught me that the substance of semen is found not only in the testicles, but in miscellaneous parts in all of the body, which are fetched, gathered in one single place and eventually ejaculated during the sexual act. This makes sense since the goal is "repoduction" : various essential parts are "gathered" to produce a new "copy". It also explains a most common purpose of masturbation today, where after a hard day's work, the corporate drone "empties" himself by masturbation - and afterwards feels all hungry or sleepy because he has to recreate a new copy of himself for the next day.

According to Shri Aurobindo, the urge to ejaculate in males is often due to pressure of fecal matter on the bladder. My experience (and some other guys' that I know) has indeed confirmed this : the sexual urge is often felt as blocking any form of defecation, with a feeling that the fecal matter is blocked in the bowels. When resisting my urge to masturbate, I often try to put pressure on my bowels and induce some form of defecation. When I win, there is a successful defecation which quenches both urges ; when I lose and yield to the temptation, the first release coming from ejaculation is usually shortly followed by a second release coming from defecation.

Hence the importance of eating wholesome food and eating it in quiet conditions. One of the most disgusting aspects of American culture today is its normalization of junk food and of eating in a hurry because time is money. Although I don't have a clear-cut Christian authority for this, it is not far-fetched to consider Matthew 17:20 "this kind [of devil] is not cast out but by prayer and fasting" as applying to sexual vices. The possessed child in Matthew "falleth often into the fire, and often into the water" (17:10) and St. Jerome interprets fire as a symbol for lustful practice, and water as a symbol for lustful desire.

Another Hindu speaker (whose name I forgot) reminds us that Hippocrates already denounced in his time the bad tendency in both sexes to stray away from the place given to them by God, with males becoming effeminate and females becoming mannish, and their health suffered as a result. That Hindu speaker viewed male masturbation as a phenomenon in that category, and called it "The male period".

Luce Quenette (1904-1977) was a traditionalist Catholic headmistress. When I read her book on Catholic upbringing including how to fight masturbation in shcoolboys, her explanation about how masturbation "degrades the hands" of the person doing it changed my life. Despite superficial similarities, urination and masturbation are very different activities. When you urinate, you are passively letting nature do its job ; when you are masturbating, you are painstakingly and repeatedly forcing nature out of its way, like a burglar with heavy tools on a tenacious lock.

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I cannot picture celibacy being good for me. I used to think of it as a universal evil, but I've come to believe that it can be good for some people. Me, I just fight the good fight every day to keep those desires of the flesh concentrated on my wife, to varying degrees of success.

To be clear, I'm not telling everyone to be celibate for life, especially not if you're married.

However, I do have a lot of respect for monks, and think it's a very viable and noble route. And I also think that most of us have been extremely brainwashed in regards to how much we "need" sex. To the point that people think that you're going to get cancer if you don't masturbate every few days. It's ridiculous.

In reality, men have understood the benefits of celibacy for most of human history, and even the medical profession didn't see anything wrong with it until recently. The recent "warnings" are pure propaganda.

Trust me, when I first started, I thought I was going to go crazy; but once you change your mindset, get some experience under your belt, and learn to remove stimulus and cut off your thoughts before they get started, you simply start to not care. In fact, it's a relief not to think about sex all the time.

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I also think that most of us have been extremely brainwashed in regards to how much we "need" sex. To the point that people think that you're going to get cancer if you don't masturbate every few days. It's ridiculous.

You nailed it. We're presented this image in popular fiction of people in basically all times prior to the sexual revolution as being insanely horny but society sweeping it under the rug and pretending it doesn't exist. I don't think this is accurate at all.

It seems quite evident that our sexual appetites are being artificially over-stimulated by our "modern" environment: immodestly dressed women everywhere, suggestive images and videos constantly assailing our senses, free license encouraged by birth control and abortion, the casual nature of most sexual relationships, and the detrimental, peer pressure type-influence of male peers who've grown up in the same environment.

I really doubt that men prior to the 1950s or so thought nearly as much about sex as we do today. Sure, they wanted and enjoyed it - but they didn't crave it like a junky craves his drugs, which is (unbeknownst to the average normie) how we've been conditioned to view sex in the Current Year.

Good video from Father Josiah Trenham on this thread's topic:

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^An overwhelming number of those men (and women) were married by age 22. Think of it, I'm not making excuses, but it's an entirely different ballgame. Even if you have (bad) sex once every two weeks, you can pretty much do away with that "urge".

I was an achiever and relatively late bloomer to the world of testosterone and sex (likely having to do with intelligence, religion, patience and race), which of course was a blessing. It progressively became a bit more of a challenge (I won't say curse) that was longer lasting as a result, even though I never really cared to be some sort of player that many of the PUA types extolled or was urged by the culture. I always knew it was "wrong" but so few quality women came along, and no cultural impetus to get married early, or all of the above since everyone did the career or education route that eats all of your 20s - you know?

That's why it's somewhat amusing when you see these Owen Benjamin types, I don't know - Roosh might be in this category - who tell you the truth that you know: a good woman, family, kids, yes these are all better. I don't expect them not to say anything about how much more rewarding and healthy it is. But the convenient thing for OB is that most (or a lot of us) aren't just vapidly going after girls just to "play the game." He was able to find someone good in his sphere who wanted to be with a tall, former actor/comedian. Good on him. But that's what I would argue most are actually looking for, wading through all the destroyed women who declare themselves as just fun and not serious, who won't submit, are too old, or provide all manner of headaches that aren't worth marrying. I guess it ultimately becomes an expectations game for each sex, but in this culture by and large they ask a lot of men without understanding that post 30 women are on a remarkably descending path biologically, making the juice not worth the squeeze. Ultimately you can't have improvement until people speak honestly about this. It's like PC culture and politics.

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