How To Diagnose Bad Game

A cold streak is inevitable in any player’s career. He’s going to hit a patch where the game that was effective for him seems to be now shooting blanks. He may even feel that nothing at all is working. He ramps up his effort in order to compensate but it just increases the bad interactions and flakes he receives, souring his mood and making him more unattractive to women. Though he’s ready to make changes to his game to increase his results, there’s no way for him to be sure of what he’s doing wrong. It’s even worse for a newbie in the game because he doesn’t even know what good game is. Both men may feel stuck in solving their problem.

Diagnosing bad game is tough for two reasons. First, you will never know for certain exactly what you’re doing wrong because women are not honest in their dealings with you. Even if you get a girl to tell you why she doesn’t like you, her answer isn’t accurate since it’s unlikely she knows the conscious reasons. For example, she will state that a guy was “boring” when it was really an attraction problem. Second, game problems can’t be diagnosed objectively like a medical problem. If you have an illness, a doctor can run a blood test or MRI to conclusively show the defect, but this is impossible with game, especially when you consider that you are executing hundreds of different variables to a woman from a short interaction. Unless you’re a newbie, it’s rare that you failed on a woman because of one bad feature—it was likely from a combination of issues.

One common and fast way to find out why your game is bad is to ask a man to look at it. Since you never talk to women with a mirror nearby, he can quickly identify appearance or body language problems, but when it comes to critiquing the verbal content of your game, that guy is operating from a subjective view on how game should be. He has a single method of getting laid that he believes is the best way, and so he will give you advice that makes you operate more like him. If his game is highly specific to himself—his appearance, his personality, his energy—his advice may actually worsen your game instead of improve it.

It turns out that diagnosing your own game problem is like an auto mechanic fixing a car in the dark. You have a general idea of the parts and where things should be, but can’t see the detail that is crucial for fixing the machine. Men who have had success in the past but are now in a deep slump must be especially careful not to replace parts without proper lighting, because it’s possible to wreck the whole car.

There are two things to keep in mind when fixing your current game problem:

1. Analyze your past successes. Meditate on your past hookups and identify the things that happened. How did you meet her? What was the initial conversation like? What indicators of interest did she put out? What were the parts of your game that she responded exceedingly well to? What was the first date like? Try to find repeated behaviors or lines you did that seemed to contribute to the success, and continue to do them in the midst of your slump. Even newbies in the game who do 100 approaches blind will have a handful of small successes within that data set to being pulling out things that work.

2. Make two or three changes at a time and collect data. If you’re failing to get numbers from women, the problem is that you’re not building enough attraction. What new routine or move can you try for the next 15 approaches that can change that result? If you’re getting a lot of flakes, the problem can be either not enough attraction or not enough comfort. What new routine or move can you do which increases a girls curiosity and makes her want to know more about you? Take a guess at what you’re doing wrong and try something that may resolve it in your subsequent approaches. Does it resolve or not? If not, try something else. Only change a couple things at a time while keeping the other parts of your game the same. You will easily be able to remove the changes and go backwards if they don’t work.

Game problems and slumps are never fun, especially when you’re not getting laid, but these are actually the only times that you’re game will improve because you’re forced to experiment with new techniques that you wouldn’t have otherwise tried if you were receiving sex. You’re required to deeply analyze your game and swap all the parts that just aren’t working with new parts that are. Once the machine is out of the shop, you will go on to experience success for a period of time until the next inevitable slump when you feel like you’re back to square one again.

Such is the nature of game—cycles of success and failure. No man is immune from it. If you consider that you are changing every day, and the environment we live in is changing every day, it would only make sense that the game you used last year would not receive the same response today. Your game must constantly change and be refreshed if you want your results to remain high, which is why you’ll never be able to rest forever on what you know now. You’ll always have to examine underneath the hood and replace the parts that aren’t working as well as they were before.

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Inside UoM
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Completely agree with this, the best way to identify game issues (if possible) is to get another man to video tape you, body language and your verbal tonality, pace and content can be analysed so well that way.

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you can also record the audio using your phone

Mojave
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Many smart phones have high res video modes as well — you can make 1 or two miutew clips, download them and look them over.

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does anyone actually do this? It would be very helpful but i tend to fly solo

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I record some daygame session: listening to our tone of voice and behaviours in general can let improve our next successes 😉

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Yeah, I’m getting numbers easily but a lot of flakes. I probably need to build more comfort if I had to guess. I tend to dominate my interactions which is attractive but maybe doesn’t get her to invest enough.

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I had this problem recently. For me I think the issue was not enough attraction and pushing for the number despite it. I communicate attraction through eye contact and other forms of subcommunication. I think if she’s talking a lot and asking you questions, its a good sign. I don’t believe that displaying value by dropping info about your life is very effective and comes across as try-hard. Subtle hints here and there is enough. Value comes across in what’s unspoken and the boldness of your approach, combined with being relaxed.

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You’re so close. Stop asking for number. Only get the number AFTER you hook up. Trust me, you are one step away from success.

Libertas
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That’s usually not possible in day game.

BeanWanker
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Yeah – how the fuck does this work approaching girls cold in the day time?

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Roosh
Lets see some more new street video of local talent in EE posted up here this week.

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Could also be other areas affecting game. Lack of success in our business may translate to our self worth. Even the slightest self doubt can affect game. A wise dude once said: “you have to be from somewhere else to meet people” It simply means that travel often puts us in our best state. Since you know it’s temporary, your balls increase and your approaches are that of a black panther, springing on its prey. In this peak mode, we run the tightest game conceivable. Since you are super happy/confident, chicks pick up on that. Top ways to do this:
1. Go to a gym and actually workout regularly
2. Make more money than before
3. Throw yourself into your hobbies
4. Avoid all snarky and negative people (basically all americans)
5. Travel

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I cannot explain it. But it comes in streaks. Red-Hot or Ice Cold. Same now at 30 as it was when I was 16. When one girl wants you, they all do & when none do, it seems as though you will never hook-up ever again.
2013 was the best year of my life, I was red-hot. Highest quality for sure. Then 2014 began & the brutal cold-streak was ruthless. Long, cold start. But then spring came around & yielded some great times…Summer in Ukraine was awesome too & this Autumn has been strong.

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Couldn’t agree more with the ‘streaks’.
Rooshs’ advice to analyze successes is solid. The data has already been collected…It’ in our minds.
I once sat & focused on past successes & realized that they have come from isolation. Basically getting women alone in a comfortable environment.

TyKo Steamboat
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Agreed. I think Game is backwards in this way. Easy to evaluate successes & hard to evaluate failures.

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You’re UA based, right?

Man can guys that are mid30s pull hot teen looking girls like Roosh has filmed walking the streets of UA?

Can fat guys ever pull good looking girls or are they just hopeless until they get in shape in UA?

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I am not UA based. I live in Colorado. But I have been in UA 3 times & this 3rd time I was not interested in going for approaches. I pipe-lined & met girls on the internet first then went to meet them

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UA?

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Has anyone ever seen Michale savages video on girls. I think he really hits home with it. makes much sense..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erapcpyZzQE

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Roosh V
Did you ever learn to shoot guns?

Did you ever own a gun?

Liberal pinko scum hate guns and heterosexuality which just makes all us red pill guys love them all the more. They’d rather everybody be unarmed homos-lol.

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Hmm….

CardinalMethod
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Funny, my cold streaks always occur whenever I’ve let my physical fitness slip in the slightest amount. If you’re in the West, one new lay a month is not a problem, if you’re in prime physical condition. If you’re slipping, depending on your facial features, that figure will drop exponentially.

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I gotta agree actually. If I’m not taking care of me, why would someone else want to?

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This is where you take a flight to Brazil, get with a hot prostitute and boom, you are BACK baby!

Kevin
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Roosh V
Give us more travel coverage like the Bucharest data sheets 5 for $5 pack and the Odessa street walks with uncle Nikon.

Cal
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Great read.

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Senior Valizadeh
Show us more Field footage like the Odessa videos on YT.

Also, Have you ever thought about going back to Colombia or even Mexico (I think hot Mexicanas are some of the best)?

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Roosh
Have you ever considered its the same deal with nightlife everywhere. Entitled, caroseul riding bitches who will be post wall hags in 5-10 years, dumb ass bros who all have crap jobs and binge drink often to do a few approaches, etc.

Maybe Im cynical but then you have people who get inspiration out of pop culture by listening to cheesy bar chord progression, or the same “bitches and how stack my paper dawg” 70bpm rap songs and beats or watching glorified 8s like Kardashian who has a massive pr machine behind her slight above mediocore ass. Humanity tends to stay on ignorant repetitive cycles all to make the banker-corporate plantation richer. It’s all a lot of bs.

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Roosh
Can you hear that?

It’s Guadalajara and Puerto Vallerta calling your name and for field reports and YouTube footage of the local talent.

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Thing is to remember that it may not be a matter of bad game, but as we all know too well that things change over time, and today that change happens very rapidly. I’m speaking in terms of game strategies. A time frame of just three years can make a proven strategy to become ineffectual.

That plus as time passes we all get a little older which means that your strategy also has to adjust for that. So you really have two things to deal with: your increasing age (that factor varies depending on how old you are) and the overall shift in male / remale interactions.

So it is to any man’s benefit regardless of how successful he is to always analyze things as he moves along in life.

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Thinks can change now in six months. When the smartphone, hit everything changed almost immediately. When traveling internationally, one year can be a lifetime to a specific city. A city that was good last year can suck the next year!

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The more I think about it the more I think you are correct. The rate of change also is increasing as time passes

Michael D'Vere
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sad

Jonathan Roseland
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My current game sticking point is that I’m I need a wingman for motivation. Last weekend is a great example;

Friday night I got dressed up, went out to a hot bar, alone, and ended up doing zero approaches. Pitiful.

Saturday night I met with a wingman for dinner, then we went out; I approached +20 girls, got 6 numbers & totally got deep into state.

Daygaming is a similar experience; I go out alone see a pretty girl walking alone and I don’t approach. I go out with a wing and I boldly approach everything.

This is a big problem for me because I seem to find a really tough time actually finding good wings where I live in South America. Anyone else experienced with the same issue? Is it worth learning to game solo?

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Are you kidding me? Solo game is *the way* to learn gaming FAST! You don’t have a ‘safety net’ to fall back on when you get the inevitable rejection, you don’t waste time talking theory to your male companion, you don’t have to rely on your wing’s schedule/availability, you don’t have to worry about your wing actively/(un)intentionally/passively cockblocking you, etc. I can go on and on. I have made it a point to go solo because I don’t to fuck around, I want to learn fast. I suggest going on more solo missions, swallow your pride, and take the bullets like a man.

Jonathan Roseland
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My reservation about gaming solo, is that it seems like a great way to develop bad game habits is since I don’t get any feedback on how I’m doing. When I learned to speak a second language I broke through a major plateau when I did eleven 90 minute private lessons, same when I took three hours of private salsa dancing instruction. How is learning game different?

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I got ONEitis really bad and the only cure is more plates.