How To Stop Rape

Note: The following article was published as a satirical thought experiment. 

I keep reading in the mainstream media that there is a rape culture in the United States. This issue concerns me since I have a sister who I don’t want to be raped, so I carefully examined the articles on Salon, Buzzfeed, and Huffington Post that were written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium.

What I’ve gathered from the words of these future Pulitzer Prize winners is that women are not getting raped by violent offenders while taking a jog in the park or walking through a dark street—they are getting raped by men they already know, especially at college. I learned that if a man and a woman both drink at a party and have sex, she was in all likelihood raped since she could not give full legal consent. This made me confused because a woman who drinks and has sex is not responsible for her actions, but if that same woman gets into a car and drives it into someone else, causing a loss of life, she would be prosecuted and sent to jail. I couldn’t find an explanation for this inconsistency.

I also read that men must be taught not to rape, which means that they are all born with the capability to rape and have zero instinct to know that taking a woman with violence is improper. Thankfully, a man only has to be told the phrase “rape is bad” at some point after puberty by an overweight feminist to definitively stop his future brutal and bloody rape career. It’s a miracle that more men have not raped their mothers, babysitters, and sisters before being taught in college that rape is actually not a good thing.

I knew from an early age that rape was bad, as was all forms of violence, not just against women but men as well. I also knew that killing, stealing, and having sexual interest in relatives was bad. I don’t remember if someone specifically taught me these rules, but I also don’t remember being taught that the sun rises and sets once a day, or that I will go splat if I jump off a tall building. I don’t know of a single man entering adulthood who thought that rape was good and had to be manually taught it was bad in order to stop him from raping, so when journalists and cultural commentators suggest that the best way to defeat rape culture is to teach men not to rape, I couldn’t possibly agree. I saw a different set of problems instead.

I saw women wholly unconcerned with their own safety and the character of men they developed intimate relationships with. I saw women who voluntarily numbed themselves with alcohol and other drugs in social settings before letting the direction of the night’s wind determine who they would follow into a private room. I saw women who, once feeling awkward, sad, or guilty for a sexual encounter they didn’t fully remember, call upon an authority figure to resolve the problem by locking up her previous night’s lover in prison or ejecting him from school.

By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, we don’t hesitate to blame men for bad things that happen to them (if right now you walked into a dangerous ghetto and got robbed, you would be called an idiot and no one would say “teach ghetto kids not to steal”). It was obvious to me that the advice of our esteemed establishment writers and critics wasn’t stopping the problem, and since rape was already on the law books with severe penalties, additional laws or flyers posted on dormitory doors won’t stop this rape culture either.

I thought about this problem and am sure I have the solution: make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds.

The exception for public rape is aimed at those seedy and deranged men who randomly select their rape victims on alleys and jogging trails, but not as a mechanism to prevent those rapes, since the verdict is still out if punishment stops a committed criminal mind, but to have a way to keep them off the streets. For all other rapes, however, especially if done in a dwelling or on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.

If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone. If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can’t resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she’ll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around. If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn’t want to sleep with. After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied.

Without daddy government to protect her, a girl would absolutely not enter a private room with a man she doesn’t know or trust unless she is absolutely sure she is ready to sleep with him. Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex. Bad encounters are sure to occur, but these can be learning experiences for the poorly trained woman so she can better identify in the future the type of good man who will treat her like the delicate flower that she believes she is. After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours—perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.

The benefits of eradicating rape laws would extend to honest men who unfortunately now live in fear over imprisonment in the case the girl they had sex with had a blood alcohol level of 0.04 instead of 0.05 or some other arbitrary, untested,  and made-up value that may imply consent was not fully achieved. There is no more having to guess the interpretation of a woman’s mixed signals or to artificially amp up her base emotions with clownish banter. Because women will never enter a man’s apartment without accepting that sex will happen, he can escort her to his bedroom and romantically consummate a relationship after it was certain he proved himself to be a good and decent man the woman fully trusted. My proposal eliminates anxiety and unfair persecution for men while empowering women to make adult decisions about their bodies.

It turns out that we don’t need more laws, policies, and university propaganda that treat every man like a criminal and every woman like a mild retardate—we need more common sense that can only come from making rape legal. Such a change will provide a mature jolt to American women who have been babied for too long, who are protected and coddled as if they have no agency or intellect of their own. If a woman is indeed a child then maybe we really need to keep promoting “rape culture” as a way to keep them safe, but if they are actual adults, which is often claimed, then we can start treating them like adults by allowing them to take responsibility for the things that happen to them which are easily preventable with barely a strain of cognitive thought, awareness, and self control.

Let’s make rape legal. Less women will be raped because they won’t voluntarily drug themselves with booze and follow a strange man into a bedroom, and less men will be unfairly jailed for what was anything but a maniacal alley rape. Until then, this devastating rape culture will continue, and women who we treat as children will continue to act like children.

Postscript: You should not trust the media when it comes to reporting on my rape articles. They share mostly lies with a sprinkling of truth. Here is a small sample:

If you want the real story, you should read my official bio, my Wikipedia page, or the unofficial resource of my work at DaryushValizadeh.com.

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Phil_Christensen
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You’ve obviously acquainted yourself with Jonathan Swift. Well done.

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Agreed; make this longer and call it “An Immodest Proposal” (see what I did there?)
And brace for epic shitstorm and outcry.

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You called it

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I was gong to comment that it’s like “A Modest Proposal,” but serious.

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Its like “A Modest Proposal” if “A Modest Proposal” was written about how terribly oppressed the English were by the Irish wanting the English to stop keeping them oppressed, persecuted, harassed, and in dire poverty.

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Johnathan Swift was trying to make a point and didnt believe children should be eaten,. this guy believes what he is saying.

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Ahh… does he believe what he’s saying? Obviously he doesn’t believe anyone is going to make rape legal on private property.
Anyway, criminal laws are never perfectly applied, and there must be a bungload of young men getting aids in prison because women used them unfairly.
When the masses don’t see a solution to a problem, they ignore the problem… or they riot. I suppose I should be glad you guys are just posting shit online.

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It is satirical in the sense that Roosh is satirizing how feminists prioritize rape above anything else. In essence Roosh is saying he doesn’t prioritize preventing rape above very other single value, but if he did, this is what he would do. Of course to falls apart because what he proposes would not decrease rape.

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Why do you think this is satirical? Look at his entire blog. This loser actually believes this shit. Part of the whole men’s rights bullshit movement. As if men have some ‘right’ to sex. if you can’t get laid, YOU’RE THE FUCKING PROBLEM.

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Say that the the feminists who can’t get sex.

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Do you have any idea how easy it is for women to get sex? Fat thin old young sex is always available for women. Feminists even! I laugh at the Mgtow men saying they will leave women alone and then we will really suffer. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass as you’re leaving asshole. We women are doing fine without you and it isn’t going to slow down our game one bit.

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Yes, you are right! For a women it is very easy to get sex, evrytime, when she want it! It doesn’t a matter if she is young, old, fat or thin, or has handycape! Men doesn’t ask for this! IMPORTANT for mmen is to put their cock inside and give all! It is nature! But you WOMEN MAKE US MEN CRY! YOU MAKE THE DIFFERENT! YOU ARE THE BADs, not we! Think about it, how often you haven’t give a man a Chance to come intim with you!?! And how have have you say NO and broke someones heart, and not just the hearts of stupid men, also hearts of really nice men, who would be do everything for you? And? How often? And than you wondering, that men came to this idea???

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My obligation is to be honest not to be responsible for a man’s feelings. I’m not required to be available to make men happy. Not my responsibility to care for men. Only necessary for me to be honest with what I want and what I don’t. Women don’t exist for men’s pleasure or happiness. We have our own lives and desires. I can say no if I want. Why is it women’s job to make you happy? Grow up child.

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I am not a child! I am over 40 years old and I think, you didn’t understand me right! Look at the nature! the animals – a MAN OF ANIMALS fuck everything what has a vagina! A DOG-father also will fuck his daughter, if he can! the nature logic says that man and woman have to fuck, to have sex to get more of them! SORRY, for my bad english! And you, all the peoples, the humans make a Sport of the theme sex, and now we have the Problem!!!

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You mentioned ‘nature’ and you mentioned ‘logic’
Which science are you pointing to?

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I hope you realize that people are governed by both.

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No I understood you. You are an emotional child who can’t deal with rejection. Grow the fuck up.

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Bitch STFU. If women stopped being too picky and cunt like, men wouldn’t have to play games with women, and they wouldn’t have to go through the hoops, and PUA’s. Sex is arguably more enjoyable for women, and easier for women to get. But a man is a pig if he only cares about sex, when a woman is “independent” and “free thinking” if she wastes men’s time and make her buy food.

In the old days, men bought the dinner, opened the doors, worked all day, and he got a free BJ from his wife when ever he wanted it. She also cleaned the house and took care of the kids when he was at the office or in the factory. Now that this shit with women in careers with men, the whole family structure has gone ass backwards and now you have raped, mgtow, feminists, abusive men and women. All the result of decades of degradation in society from one sperm cell to the next.

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Wow! Somebody is angry it’s not the 1950s, lol:

“In the old days, men bought the dinner, opened the doors, worked all day, and he got a free BJ from his wife when ever he wanted it. She also cleaned the house and took care of the kids whe n he was at the office or in the factory”

I love to spectator watch white males and white females fight about which gender gets to dominate each other. Because the above mythical romanticism of the 1950s (in America) sure didn’t apply to most non-white males and females, not even some chocolate-versions, lol.

“All the result of decades of degradation in society from one sperm cell to the next.”

Wow! I’m so glad my sperm is “black” versus “white” … oh, wait, my sperm is creamy-white … OMG, I’m a dinosaur white male in chocolate melanin skin. Yikes!

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This mythical romanticism of the 1950s didn’t even exist for whites. A huge percentage of American wives had to take sedatives daily to deal with the depression that came with being restricted to the whims of men after having freedom during ww2. The war years were very very hard and women worked very hard in factories and businesses because the men were gone in the war. The hard years were preferable though because it came with freedom they didn’t have before. They were free to run their households how the wanted. When they had to return to being controlled by men they resorted to taking drugs en masse.

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… hence the emergence and overlap of 1st and 2nd wave feminism and emergence and overlap of 2nd and 3rd wave feminism … still waiting on the emergence of 4th wave … Yeah!

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It’s happening now, all across the internet – we’d be glad to have you two along!

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LOL! Woe are women for not needing to work, for living on war free soil and dozens of products to do your household duties with ease. Woe are women for being able to stay home and take care of their kids instead of earn money and pay another woman to take care of them. Woe are women for controlling 70-80% of the consumer spending.

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Not needing to work? We’re working our butts off, whether single or in a relationship, usually in the latter case taking on most of the housework and childcare as well as holding down a permanent full-time position, one that doesn’t respect or value us as much as if we were male and consequentially pays us less and promotes less often.

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Oh lord, please continue on with your sob story.

You morons have quota hires and Affirmative Action working for your ass around the clock for over the past three decades. Maybe you aren’t valued as much, because 1) you’re inferior in capability to other workers 2) employers understand that you don’t have great long-term loyalty to their company due to likely leaving for maternity leave 3) Due to said maternity leave, you will have less experience over said career 4) Most women don’t exactly go into careers that are very high in demand (thus, high in value) in the first place.

Instead of blaming everything on the institution (especially the very institution that has inflated women’s employment rates far past what it should be) and the non-existent “patriarchy”, maybe you should take an objective view at yourself.

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And only sex workers gave blowjobs.

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Oh no, the women actually had to go out and do work!?!?!? How sexist! (sarcasm)

Women had all the freedom they had then, many were fucking the mail and/or milk man while their husband was slaving himself out in a grueling 50-60 hour, manual labor work week.

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You can fuck right off with the white men and women bullshit. This affects all races, its a matter of gender not race. I don’t see how the fuck you expect to get anywhere in life thinking you’re above issues because they are contained to one race.

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“its a matter of gender not race.”

Yelled by someone whom has never been a slave, experienced Jim Crow Segregation, experienced any racism subsequent, or walked and lived in the melanin-shoes of a cis black female, or lesbian black female, or bisexual black female, or trans black human being, or any human being non-white, dark-skin, and especially poor! Yep, for YOU it’s a matter of colorblind gender, as if human beings are only 1-attribute or all females are only one-attribute. So, yep, I would definitely suggest YOU take your own advise and hope you’re not “black” when you get screwed. But then I didn’t see you back in the 60s when I grew up defending all them black females you think shared the equivalent or comparable reality as all those racist whites, male and female. Enjoy your fantasy about the past!

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so, you’ve been a slave????Why do I doubt that. and sorry to burst your bubble there sonny-boy but women were as much slaves as black men. up until the 1970s women had to have their father’s permission to attend college, get a job other than menial tasks or get married.

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Yep, black males and females and white males and females lived equivalent lives from what month, day, and year in this reality, LOL.

STOP pretending to be female or for that matter human … you’re busted E.T., your ignorance of human history is X-Files, LOL.

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you are so uneducated and ignoant of reality its sad. YOU were never a slave so stop pulling that card its tiresome

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what happens if the person you’re talking about is any of the above, but not black?

i’ve been all of the above, and my ancestors were similar, though not black. the irish and the jews were subject to all of the above, and i’m gay/lesbian. i’ve never been able to fit in anywhere, but i’ve always tried to bring people together.

here’s my thing: what if we all focused on what we’ve got in common. what if we realised we’re all in this together. we’re all pretty cool. let’s celebrate each other.

i can’t tell my family about myself, but i can tell you. how cool is that?

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I agree, what if we all focused on what we have in common, namely our universal identity of human.

But, alas, from 1776 to present, too many with hegemonic power focus primarily on attribute-privilege.

So, to evolve into “what can be” we must first soberly recognize and acknowledge “what is” versus pretend it doesn’t exist.

A complex solution cannot precede a complex diagnoses:)

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it doesn’t seem that you’re working on the outcome, however. you’re working from the preconception… the hegemonic do not absolutely determine the privilege. that makes me dispute your last statement: “A complex solution cannot precede a complex diagnoses:)” also, diagnosis is the singular ;).

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Abstract gibberish.

In the real complex world … hegemonic means oligarchy … all else is a delusion. However, the non-hegemonic can rebel … which means substituting one group of oligarchs with another.

I also agree, there are no absolutes, only the open-ended:)

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Please Sir, We are all aware of the horrible parts of US history. Every country has dark pasts and many still do and are a living hell, so I am so thankful to live in the US. Please don’t live in the past. Believe me, it only causes more pain, bitterness, etc, to you and takes away your energy for other things. I speak from experience. Life is short, make it worthwhile. Just be happy with your family and enjoy your traditions. Look to the future. I like everyone I meet, just one of those types of people, and I do care.

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You think I live in the past? Why? It’s March 2016. What Month, Day, Year do you imagine I live in, LOL?

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Cry me a river

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Remember that when you’re on the receiving end … don’t cry!

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The article is about rape, so this is a gender issue.

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Issues aren’t compartmentalized to one attribute because humans don’t have only 1-attribute — it’s called “intersectionality” … but then you wouldn’t know about that cultural analysis framework based on your contradictory statement … “it’s a matter of gender not race” … sure, tell that to the 121 million Minority Americans with more than 1-attribute in addition to gender:)

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Yes, there are many similar social issues related to access, to equal opportunity that we find in the ethic minority community and the community of women in a male dominated — white cis male dominated — society
BUT THIS IS STILL ABOUT GENDER. The argument by this group is the behaviors that are generally associated with the male sex (genetic) due to the gender (hormonal and societal) is being marginalized.
#yourfeminismisbasic

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No, it’s about multiple identities, not 1-identity.

Humans don’t live in an abstract world, where our identities operate separately, where we see and relate based on 1-identity.

So YES in your fictional abstract world it’s about 1-attribute, gender only. But NO in the real world it’s about all identities, including gender.

The argument by “this group” doesn’t dictate the scope and details of everyone’s reality, though perhaps their myopic understanding of human reality.

Perhaps “that group” cannot distinquish between abstract compartmentalized myopic discussion (which doesn’t speak to any human reality) and complex abstract discussion (which speaks to human reality including gender relations).

#OUR White cis male AND white cis female dominated society AND non-white cis male and non-white cis female complicity, albeit to disparate degrees and scope … LOL.

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Okay “irrationalhumanbeing”, your reading comprehension is obviously poor or you have some other agenda.

Thanks for misrepresenting my comment by your idiotic reply.

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1. Yep, must be “my reading comprehension” not “your written communication skills” … LOL.

2. Yep, I have “a covert agenda” but “your transparent agenda is to dictate what I can or cannot think” … LOL.

3. Yep, your “idiotic contradiction” speaks volumes — if I “misrepresented” your comments, then that means I’m a “deconstructionist genius” and “communications expert” … albeit “unethical” if I’m seeking to distort what you cannot communicate …. LOL.

Anymore irrational projections you want to share?:)

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I conceded your point and reminded how subject matter was in fact addressing, specifically, a gender issue… and you rebuttaled with predictable nonsense from your first point that made it sound like I didn’t concede in the first place.

Yeah, it is you. Learn to read or come with true collaborative intent. You’re not helping the cause by alienating people.

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For you it’s about “conceding” as if you and I are in some “gladiator contest” … we’re not! You’re sharing your opinion about a topic. I’m sharing my opinion about a topic.

The topic is complex. I don’t see our exchange of opinions as some win-lose debate but win-win-dialogue. We don’t have to understand and experience our complex world, especially as it relates to human intersectionalities (to include gender) like clones or in any group-think way.

I’m okay! I hope you’re okay! Your repeat irrational projections and ad hominems suggest you’re not okay. If I’m wrong, then I apologize. Be at peace! Live long and prosper! Our species’ complex realities will go on with us, without us, and after us — our distinct voices and opinions.

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“You’re not helping the cause by alienating people.”

Unless you’re spying on my life 24-7/365 I’d suggest you not project your arrogance about what I do or don’t do for “the cause” — whatever that cause is, however you think everyone should help, and all else. Stop being dictatorial — try being YOU and I’ll be me!

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No thank you; I try and be “you” so I can fairly understand different perspectives.
Give it a try and maybe you’d be far less exclusionary.

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“Give it a try and maybe you’d be far less exclusionary.”

Again, you cannot step outside of a psyche (yours) that desires and seeks to “project” and “dictate” … LOL.

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If you think conceding is “win-lose” debate and not collaborative discussion, you’ve identified your own misunderstanding.

Once again “irrationalhumanbeing”, thanks for misrepresenting my comment again by another idiotic reply.

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And thank you R for sharing your perspectives, pro and con:)

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I appreciate you thanking me in advance for someone who can actually use and discuss them.
Please hold off on your efforts in our movement. I know you believe you’re helping, but it’s poisonous and not helpful.

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“Our movement” … so you’re claiming exclusionary “proprietary” ownership … LOL. No problem, please enjoy your “commodity” … I’m sure I can buy participation in other “commodity movements” … LOL:)

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“Our” is inclusionary, a concept you are obviously struggling with. Hence why I am asking you to hold off from it for a bit because you’re included, but your efforts are destructive.
“LOL” <— I really enjoy these too because they provide no value to anyone but yourself (more exclusionary behavior).

Your reaffirmation of your double talk and cognitive dissonance is appreciated but unnecessary. There's plenty of discourse to confirm this already.

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ROFLMAO

I’m a cis male idiot irrespective of my other attributes. This was your astute judgement.

So I’m confused why a savvy, sophisticated, wise “feminist-female” or “feminist-male” or “non-feminist-human-being” would squander their precious “empowerment time” debating “an idiot” … especially one they’ve “ostracized” from “the movement club” … LOL.

Seems irrational:)

Do you have some covert agenda — like trying to seduce me online for sexual exploitation … maybe entice me onto your private property so you can rape me … Yikes!

You do know there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of potential converts just waiting for YOU to recruit into the movement club … please don’t let me side-track you from that life purpose:)

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You left out that your feminism is basic, and it’s sadly transparent.

Your attempt to suggest homosexual activity (as if it’s an insult) and accuse me of trying to rape you is probably the most inclusionary you can honestly be, and that’s quite disturbing.

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no, basically, you are a racist.

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If you say so. I can get you a KKK membership for a discount. You interested, LOL.

judyt00
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again, why must yo equate rape with slavery you were never a slave. yet you excuse rape as if it is nothing but women whining

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Yawn:)

judyt00
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oh, look the salvery card once again YOU were never a slave

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No, the racist KKK card, cuz you said I’m racist. You want a card too, LOL.

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and my point proven. you are racist. you assume that because my skin is white I am racist. and then you pull the slavery card you are racist as shit man, really, racist as shit. you think you are owed something because 300 years ago some ancestors might have been slaves. whereas, I know 500 years ago, my ancestors were tortured and murdered for the land they held in common. You were never a slave, you never met anyone who was a save but I wil always be part indigenous and know family members who were taken from their parents and tortured and raped in residential schools.

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Then I guess you want reparations, how much, LOL.

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nope but I’m sure you do after all maybe you are the descendant of a slave and are using it to get special treatment. sorry, dude. but people are just so sick of the race card, news flash we are all one race. get over your inferiority complex, you have nobody to blame but yourself. you wer naver a slave.

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Yawn!:)

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the KKK were not the only racists ever onthe planet. there are far more “african american” racists today than whites and seriously how do you call yourself african american f ypu’ve never been to Africa. however, your complaints of slavery do not excuse rape in any shape or form, you are merely a racist and assume all non blacks are racist when it is actually you. you assume I am racist not even knowing anything about me. you don’t know that I am not American, you do not know that where I live slavery was never allowed and everybody was treated equally, yet based solely on the colour of my skin you call me racist. ok, then because you have a penis that makes you a rapist

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Yawn!:)

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I’m sorry, but this argument is about gender.
Due to intersectionality and respect for one another’s struggles, however, you are welcome to respond as someone who has suffered oppression of a different kind – and as a male ally / feminist. But that doesn’t mean this particular discussion is about race more than gender. However the problem is indeed compounded for women who are *also* non-white, disabled, etcetera, and that’s a brilliant point to add into the mix, so please do. Just don’t derail the original subject matter!

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How am I derailing the topic if you just acknowleged that in the real world versus an abstract academic compartmentalized discourse, all genders share multiple identities, not 1-identity.

So, for example, how does a color-blind discussion address rape, sexual harrassment, and other crimes or oppression against all females, if you abstract claim gender is or was the only social construct attribute involved?

Having a complex discourse about female issues, but ignoring how other attributes are inextricably involved, in the real world versus some abstract discussion, lumps the real life experiences of 162 million American females, and 4.3 million diverse females worldwide, into some taken for granted default white-female hegemonic self-referential pseudo aggregate discussion.

If that’s what the authors of this topic intended, then by all means count me out as an ally. I’ll limit my feminism to helping to empower females of color, and wish all white females well, unless white females only identify as female … not according to any academic, census, or real world observations I’ve seen since 1966 to 2016, and in 10 different countries.

So, again, you may be projecting some pseudo more than or less than juxtaposition of binary black/white reality, but I’m not. As a multiple identity African American male, living in the real muliti-bigoted world, I have no such hegemonic luxury, nor do women of color with other attributes, in addition to gender.

In short, spare me the abstract esoteric hegemonic internalized ISMs. Real world complex problems aren’t solved by myopic reductionist discussions but complex nuanced diagnoses of complex realities. Gender is 1-dimension of our complex identity reality, inextricable from all the others. Now subject me again to your racist projections and I won’t be civil in my next response, regardless of my gender and yours!

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And he thinks 1950s wives gave blowjobs. Um no! That was considered disgusting only prostitutes did that. He could get normal missonary sex from his 1950s wife not blow jobs. What a dumb ass he is to think that.

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Awwwwww poor baby. Can’t adapt to modern life. ☹️Sorry we aren’t living in the 1900s. Notice we women don’t give a rats ass that you can’t cope or adapt to modern life. Stay far far away from women. You don’t like and respect us and we are sadly amused by your whining. We won’t miss you. Women aren’t allowed to be picky? Newsflash matty women have a right to be as picky as we want. Sorry you don’t seem to be making the cut. Maybe try not being a misogynist asshole. It might help. Not women’s fault you aren’t a desirable guy.

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If you can’t make the cut with women stop whining. It’s your fault not ours

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Don’t you think that:
1. You don’t have the right to state when exactly is ‘too picky’?
2. Women should have the right to choose the way spending her life?
3. Men should be responsible of themselves and their children?
Lastly:
The family structure isn’t natural, it could be changed, it evolves. (When society is ready. Obviously not now.) A surname doesn’t describe the family close to your heart. Degradation comes when you can’t change quickly enough.
Just like you can’t change your opinion from the 50’s or how yourself can’t evolve enough to be picked by your cunt-like women.

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“1. You don’t have the right to state when exactly is ‘too picky’?”

No one does, just don’t cry a sob story when you get turned down, because you’re pushing 30+ and have multiple different children by multiple different fathers.

“2. Women should have the right to choose the way spending her life?”

Yes, they should, but they SHOULD also be responsible and accept the consequences that result from spending their life freely. If you get knocked up by three different men, you shouldn’t be rewarded for it by collecting government assistance and welfare for it.

“3. Men should be responsible of themselves and their children?”

It depends. If women demand that the receive primary custody (as which they received roughly 90 percent of the time in child custody court), then they are making an affirmative claim that they can supplement the full sustenance the child needs for proper development. If this is true, then child support should not be necessary.

Yet… what do you know. Women use children as a means to receive child support and welfare + government assistance to receive a disposable “income”.

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Yet you blame women for this and not the oligarchy we live in which demands two incomes. Men can afford to keep a household anymore and that’s not the fault of feminists.

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Men can not afford to maintain a household and family on one income anymore. The Economy has changed. This is not the fault of feminists. It’s the fault of big business and the oligarchy we live in. Now when a household requires two incomes and woman are working every bit as hard as men the women are still expected to do the lions share of household and child care duties. Why not join the Taliban if you want to blame woman for all the evils in society? Why not recognize that women are an asset to many organizations and why not recognize that women are exhausted and not getting the support they need. Women like sex. If they aren’t engaging in sex with their partner it’s ususally because it isn’t pleasurable enough to offset the burden in places on our bodies in terms of dealing with birth control or other factors or they are exhausted from caring for the household and a grown man who needs to be cared for like another child .

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Wow, where did you get your education? Or did you? Women HAD to start working during WWII and then had to continue to work b/c of stagnating wages. Don’t blame women, blame the bankers, companies, etc who won’t pay the salary to a man that’s needed to support a family AND have a wife to stay home. I’m sure many women would rather stay at home at take care of their kids than have to work, but that’s not the reality for 90% of the US.

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You know there’s hookers if your that desperate? It’s not healthy to be as sexually frustrated as you sound, poor man.

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No in “the old days” women weren’t forced by society to give blow jobs at all, they could just have normal sex which is actually enjoyable for women instead of having that forced in their mouths. Blow jobs were weird and unusual and only for prostitutes to give which was much better for women. Wives didn’t give them. Men wanted real sex with a vagina which is actually pleasurable for women instead of stupid gay blowjobs.

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“If you can’t make the cut with women stop whining. It’s your fault not ours”

Thats what dating with women is like. Its like a sport. No wonder why pick up artists exist. I’d rather not waste time with stupid games and focus on my self, and my career. “The cut” you mention is very length as women reject men for almost anything, even though somewhere on that list they do themselves. Like rejecting a male for living with his parents when she does.

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What you don’t understand is that it isn’t about women rejecting men for silly little things. It’s about finding someone that will ACCEPT you as a partner and who DESIRES you as a partner, who you feel the same way towards. You don’t have an inalienable right to be with any particular individual, or any individual at all. So the women who aren’t interested are not rejecting you, they’re simply not choosing you as a romantic or sexual partner. This is something that literally happens to everyone all of the time every time they see another human being that they don’t immediately sleep with. You should not take this personally.

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Debbie, you fail to understand (or more likely acknowledge) that just because a woman has a right to reject a man for literally any reason does not mean she enjoys the freedom to not be considered an idiot in the process. A woman may have the right to reject a 5’11” man for not being 6′, though he may have every other desirable attribute, but enjoying that right does not mean she is entitled to our respect. She is an idiot.

I’d also like to point out to the male readership of this site that Roosh tolerates dissenting opinions, even including those of obvious trolls, on his website to a FAR greater degree than what you might see on sites like Jezebel. And yet he is the man with international governments clamboring to reject him from their borders. Feminists–mainstream feminists–are bigger exemplars of totalitarian thinking. The world has gone insane.

Ultimately the West will go to advocates of principled masculinity, who have returned to tradition (of which Roosh’s neomasculinity is a proposed model), but will remain fairminded in treatment of women, or, failing that, will fall to radical Islam, and it’s near total disregard for women. The feminist project will only result in weakened family structures and degraded men, like the inner city black community with it’s army of deadbeats and criminals, before being supplanted by one of the above two models of masculinity. Why? Because birth rates will decline, and women in power will be nothing better than glorified beauricrats–they will not secure the West militarily, or develop it technologically. This is the end of all this social conditional, although the aftershocks will straddle multiple generations before it comes to fruition.

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So, you are an animal that would fuck your own daughter?

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You sound like a real idiot, do you want a companion or someone who can’t wait to get away from you.

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“Look at the nature! the animals – a MAN OF ANIMALS fuck everything what has a vagina! A DOG-father also will fuck his daughter, if he can!”

As humans we have the ability to decide how to act, we’re not governed by instinct.

I’m not a dog. I don’t sniff people’s asses and eat their shit. I don’t gang bang bitches in heat. A dog’s nature is not our nature. Well, not mine at least, I’m not so sure about yours.

You want to act like a dog? Then you belong on a leash in public places.

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We humans aren’t the same as animals. We aren’t here to breed litters of kids. We have enough people on this planet. We also have well developed frontal lobes that allow us to think and not react the same as animals, maybe yours aren’t so developed. You can’t possibly understand how difficult it is to be a woman with men harassing you all the time, attacked, have to have kids and then take care of them!! We are SICK OF IT!! If you need to go screw a goat b/c women are protective of themselves, that’s your business, Disgusting and cruel but I’d rather you do that than rape a woman.

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Why is it that everyone who says “look back to nature” is trying to justify some psychopathic thing. No we don’t have to “look back to nature” because we’ve evolved, and have morals and ethics.

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@The UNDERTAKER
Holy fuck dude, do you seriously have the way of thinking that you present in your comments? It’s fucking toxic and disturbing. Please get help.

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Caroline, it’s funny that feminists who base their whole victim ideology on begging chivalrous white male patriarchs in Europe and the Americas to rescue them turn around and tell men that she doesn’t have to care about anyone other than herself.

In a way, crying for Sir Lancelot to rescue you is making SOME man somewhere happy but not in the way you might expect. These men don’t seemingly flood you with protection and goodies because of your moral cause. You’re a dupe. They pander to you in the hopes of getting laid (you were just bragging about the ability for women to use sex as a power tool) OR they use your influence for their own ends.

Powerful white male patriarchs don’t pander to feminism to give up power. They gain it in other ways. The white male owners of designer bag makers or diamond shops, for example. “Be liberated! Buy more consumer junk, ladies!” Or leftists who want Islamic Patriarchs to immigrate. Feminists make THOSE men really happy (just be sure to not “ask for it” when walking in Germany, ok?)

Your psychotic worldview doesn’t work in the long run and you’ll figure that out as you grow older and lose more and more of what little sexual power you have until you hit your wall (I’m guessing for you that’s probably your early 30’s, at best) and then…

NOBODY will care about you. You’ll be invisible. Other women will largely ignore you as well as the men.

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I’m in my early 40s now. Single by choice despite two or three proposals and currently with two lovers. Large large group of wonderful female friends I respect. See that’s what’s so funny is you neo masculine men seem totally out of touch with women’s experiences or perspectives. I’d respond more but it would be waste of time. Roosh is so threatened by by responses he feels the need to delete my comments . He’s too afraid of anyone who contradicts him. Not looking for anyone to rescue me. This whole movement seems to be centered around needing to control women. So who is needing who? If you hate women and think they are inferior. Please just do us women and yourself a favor and develop a meaningful relationship with your right hand and a good doll. They would appreciate you much more than 99.9% of women will.

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“If you hate women and think they are inferior. Please just do us women and yourself a favor and develop a meaningful relationship with your right hand and a good doll. They would appreciate you much more than 99.99% of women will.”

ROFLMAO — superb!

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Much of the “control” you refer to are PUA style tactics in order to get women to sleep with them by understanding what women want. I liken it to Cosmo for men. You know those articles in Cosmo that teach women how to “drive men crazy” with tips on oral sex?

Aside from that, there’s not too much men need to do to control women aside from closing down the welfare state. “Independent” feminist women don’t last that long without special handouts and rescue from white male Sir Lancelots oligarchs (while the economy is going, of course.) Heck, on a personal level, I met tons of career women in their 30’s who, after spending their life savings on overpriced cars and designer handbags, couldn’t afford to start a family without me.

I picked a woman 10 years my junior. Why should I have to settle?

Finally, I truly don’t hate women. Feminists like to claim that they don’t hate men but rather hate the patriarchy (which are men) and I’ll extend that logic a bit: If women are kindhearted and treat men with dignity, I love them. Feminists don’t do that since they always find a way to blame most any man for the crime of having a penis. That’s why it’s not worth having a relationship with one. At best, such a man is a dog to her.

I’ve been married for (just short) of 11 years now. I want my wife to feel empowered and happy but respectful of her limits just as I do to myself. As I said, in many ways, I’m an egalitarian (hence, MRA’s have “stolen” the word because feminism was never about equality). I don’t expect my wife to be the “same” as me, or “equal” at all times but in regards to where we need to be equals such as adults then I hold my wife and I to similar standards.

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Caroline: face it–you are undesirable to any man of genuine value. Physically you’ve certainly hit the wall (the fact that someone is sleeping with you means nothing–some men even sleep with animals); but more importantly it’s clear from your comments that you are a terrible person, and no man of any worth would want to spend his life with you. If you were proposed to by good men, who possessed any reasonable degree of attractiveness than you are a fool as well. It is only regrettable that they temporarily were made to feel rejected by you, as they certainly were better off without you. Your lovers are only slumming it by spending time with you, because they either hit a dry patch, or lacked sufficient game to bed more desirable women.

Oh, and female friends (at least compared to men-we can only speak in relative terms here) are typically pretty lame–it’s mainly a big bitch fest, occasionally punctuated by lame attempts at humor that pale in comparison to what we enjoy as men with great ease and regularity. And female friends will turn on a dime–men may have more loners out there, but our friendships are much more often grounded in mutual respect and honorable behavior.

As far as “control” is concerned: there is no clearer demonstration of the widespread desire of feminists to control male behavior than the social activist trolling Roosh has had to deal with–to the point that a blogger and author of pickup books is being banned from entire countries from expressing ideas in a piece of internet satire.

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Interesting!

All or some of what you say may be fact or fiction. But here’s an irrefutable fact!

1. Most cis (and some bisexual) males are desperate for females (even 1) to provide them sex, and maybe babies, a second income, and love.

2. Most cis males are rapists, stranger and especially acquaintance, sex trafficking, and incest — not most females.

3. Most cis males are prisoners of their own patriarchy, in that they must focus on their bucks and looks, whereas sexism only compels females to focus on their looks.

4. Most males aren’t high-income, hard body fit, gorgeous, awesome sex partners, 60/40 domestics, awesome fathers, or awesome compatible lovers.

In short, Roosh’s article … even if framed as a thought-provoking satire versus an absurd, sexist, money-making scam, seeking to pander to and exploit the sexist, insecure, egoist, neanderthal values of cis males … is evidence of how desperate, sexually and emotionally needy (and in all other ways) most cis males are for cis females. Feminism … be it 1st, 2nd, or 3rd wave (especially intersectionality) scares cis males … because it expects, demands, and compels cis males to redefine their values, psyche, egos, behaviors, and all of our male-centric patriarchy institutions and policies — and that inevitable change, that has been happening past and present, scares all dinosaur thinking acting males, and their internalized sexist cis female complicits.

So on this arbitrary scale of whose a more perfect and desirable human being … Caroline or other females compared to Roosh, yourself, or any other sample of males … I’d say most or all females win this most powerful, most desirable, imperfect human being gender contest … at least in my cis male opinion!

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Good for you, if that’s what actually makes you happy (most of the single women I know post-30 who haven’t already had children are on a barrage of anti-depressants).

A man would be smart to rely on his right hand anyways than put up with life-long alimony, (near life-long) child support payments, and false rape accusations and allegations.

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feminists don’t ask for help from men and that is why guys like roosh ve are so scared that they propose rape as the sollution to controlling women who are free of the ‘men are heroes’ rethoric you just blabbered on about. simply put your post is bullshit. feminists don’t need men for anything. other than to scratch that itch now and again

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Feminism is a victim movement largely confined to the west and does nothing BUT “ask for help” from western, white men to rescue them presumably from men. Bill Clinton is a good example: Feminists overlook him raping individual women because he promised goodies for women.

Want to see what independence is REALLY like? Watch naked and afraid or “Below Zero”. There’s a woman on that show who runs her own business and lives in the middle of nowhere whose tougher than most men. My wife greatly admires her. But she’s no “feminist”. She doesn’t view herself as a victim because she has nobody to rescue her as such. She pragmatically gets on with the business of living. Wonderful show. I highly suggest you watch it if only to admire this incredible woman. Of course, there are incredible men on it as well living on their own in a cabin in the middle of nowhere and living off the land.

That lifestyle isn’t for everyone though.

Most of us are social creatures. We like electricity, computers, cars/trains, etc. not to forget deodorant and hot showers. But men are a lot more humble about our circumstances than the victim entitlement feminist.

Of course, I don’t blame feminists for this. I blame white knight chivalrists who spoiled women or exploit naive, selfish feminist women for their own ends. Without such continual protection, I know feminists would quickly adjust to reality and this is slowly happening as the welfare states collapse in much of the west.

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Efirst off, I don’t watch fake american television reality shows and second , you haven’t a clue what feminism is. We don’t play victim nor ask for help what we do is a stand up for our right to equality and to not be called names when some guy decides to practice rape. Sadly men like you don’t seem to value work that women do or you’d join us instead of constantly denying us. We don’t need protection we can do that just fine, we need equality, and for you to stop talkingbto us and treating bus like Stupid children,
Stop talking down to women because we are fed up with it. Its really fucking insulting

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Most feminist issues have zilch to do with equality. Abortion rights, rape hysteria, free daycare/healthcare (because women spend more on such things). NONE of this is about equality since men don’t have a right to rape that is denied to women, for example. It’s about a goodie grab via portraying women as victims.

It’s funny that you call fake American TV reality shows when college campuses are a massive Potemkin village for feminism. At university, gender/race preferences trump ability and merit, the Soviet state provides food and clothing (or mommy/daddy pay the bills), etc. and this is the environment that feminism thrives. When people work in The Real World, feminism quickly is rejected by women because the campus police don’t come running up with safe zones and handouts to make someone “equal”.

Regarding “women’s work”. If women valued such work, they’d prefer to marry househusbands and sensitive “feminist” men rather than money making Alpha Patrriarch males. When women start finding feminism attractive in men, then the Patriarchy will be no more. Oh, and before nagging men to do the dishes and change diapers, could you please figure out what a dinner check is? (The restaurants don’t give the food for free. Just so you know. And no, paying a dinner check a SINGLE time doesn’t entitle you to a Nobel prize.)

Regarding being talked down to. My wife sometimes complains about that but she also admits she can be amazingly irresponsible. She recognizes that I bust my butt to pay the bills and keep things going. When women want that role AND don’t treat men like total *** if he’s not the breadwinner, then this so-called equality will work. But in the meantime, anytime a woman is successful and powerful, they usually treat men like *** and become worse than the patriarchy as portrayed by feminism. Successful career women are selfish and mean. They remind me of the alpha males I knew on Wall Street who ate TUMs like cereal. If feminism makes women unhappy shrews, what’s the point?

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Abortion rights area about a woman’s right to control what happens to her body, rape is not hysteria in any shape or form,daycare is not just a women’s issue its a family issue. Its about equality and how men expect women to just go along with whatever you decide. What gives you the right to say what I do with my body, what gives you the right to force sex on me, what gives you the right to say I have to stay home and look after children instead of earning enough to give them proper nutrition and clothing. When people work in the real world nth he woman standing beside you on the assembly linedeserves the exact same pay as you do and she doesn’t deserve being groped nor called filthy names. There is no woman’s work or man’s work. There is simply work. And there should be equal pay and equal rexpect for both genders. If you cannot figure this out, need to get out of society.
You complain that becausewomen want equality that removes your right to rape. You never had that right. It is a felony.always was, always will be. You hgavent got the right to control MY body or my life

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Again, repeat: What does rape have to do with equality? Are men saying that they have a right to rape women but women don’t have a right to rape men? Are there laws, or even social customs, that allow for men to rape women but not vice-versa?

Rape (against women) is a women’s issue (or at least an issue for hysterical, sexually repressed man-haters) but it’s not an equality issue and that subtly illustrates how feminism is psychotic. The world doesn’t revolve around your issues as “equality” issues. What about the (equally numerous) male victims of homosexual rape in prison? Equality isn’t about taking care of women but rather everyone. Men, children and society are treated with disdain by feminism.

Which brings up to taking care of the kiddies. Want more money on the assembly line? Then provide for a man to stay at home with the kids while you work longer hours. Oh, wait, “equality” means equal stuff where it matters to you, but without the work. Again, that’s psycho thinking. You’re a psycho.

FYI, unlike feminists who have beta male friends I have women friends (and a wife) who are healthy, accomplished women with (healthy) children and lives who are quick to express themselves and disagree with me even on matters such as this. For all the talk of the evil Patriarchy suppressing women, it’s amazing how much more healthy and expressive women are in traditional households versus the politically correct environment of feminism (not to mention their poor, neutered men and gang-banger sons.)

Anyway, these women tell me that American women in particular are psychotic and selfish, treat people with a lack of respect, and have an entitlement attitude. My wife was shocked at how an American woman was treating a store clerk. She said in her own country that women would get punched in the face (by the woman.) But Scarlet Ohaha, she

is so oppressed. Fiddle dee dee.

Regarding ME getting out of society. Actually, I and many here have. Unlike feminism which lives in a cocoon of white male patriarchal chivalrous patronage, I’ve traveled quite a bit. Actually, it’s the Patriarchal cultures that are taking over the west recently (google news for german women raped islam train station.) You wanted to bash the white male patriarchy? Wait until you see its replacement! You can’t get rid of us. You can only DOWNGRADE. Getting rid of the white male patriarchy is like going from an Iphone 6 to an Iphone 2.

Finally. Want to control your body and life? Three words: Earn A Living. Not by demanding men via the welfare state support you. Or a special program. Earn it on your own. Then you can do whatever you like. But it’s not easy. The world of men rarely is.

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“Abortion rights area about a woman’s right to control what happens to her body” I know you aren’t the first person to utter this piece of bullshit, but you are a filthy, filthy human being to reduce this issue down to the sole issue of a woman having control over her “body.” The unwillingness of even casual feminists to seriously contend with even the POSSIBILITY that there is a MORAL OBLIGATION on the part of a woman towards this life that is growing inside of her and that the issue cannot be solely reduced down to the question of what she wants to do with her own body shows feminism for what it has become–a supremely self serving, hate filled ideology, that grows with every passing entitlement. It has produced a culture of death and decay, and the current tendency to point to extreme examples of patriarchy is only an after the fact rationalization for the continued existence of this toxic philosophy. It will be destroyed in the end, even if it takes generations. A majority of women who commit abortions do not do so because of any dire threat to their health–these are abortions of convenience, and the blood of these babies cry up from the ground to the the everlasting shame of these women.

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There is also a moral obligation for men to wear a condom every time they have sex but I don’t see you saying that anywhere in you’re hateful rant about women’s lives and bodies. You don’t get to say whether or not women are forced to have babies they don’t want. You don’t get to tell me I am not capable of deciding if I can raise another child with absolutely no help from its father. Women in stable healthy relationships don’t have abortions. Abortions are a last resort, not a simple option to birth control. And until you make sure every single man uses condoms every time they don’t want a baby then, mind your own fucking business. My body is not yours to control!
Oh, and the filthy individual is the person who thinks women are not worthy of the same respect you are demanding in your vicious misogynistic rant about how evil women are!

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Men and women are both obligated to exercise the appropriate precautions–including waiting for marriage. If they lack the moral resolve to do that then they should each take the appropriate precautions. No woman, unless she is raped, is ever victimized by a man’s lack of use of a condom however. And the appropriateness of terminating a life growing inside of you remains an independent moral question which feminists by and large do not take seriously.

Hatred of evil and evil people is a virtue. It’s not “misogyny” you piece of shit.

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So basically you just said only women can be evil! As for evil its the man who decides women who have the same sexual desires as men are, and the man who thinks he gets to tell women how to live and when to have sex. Its the man who calls people rude sick nas because they won’t let you decide their lives. The only piece of shit here is you for your insistence on blaming women for needing abortions due to sick, disgusting men like you trying rto control their lives. There would be no need for abortion if men were more responsible for their actions, instead of blaming women for all you’re faults. I’d get an abortion too, if I had someone like you as the other parent. You are simply abusive and should nor be allowed to procreate

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If I am in a relationship, I can have sex with ONE person. She WILL have sex with me almost overtime I want it, and that is made clear. It is clear from the beginning that sex i very important to me. Don’t speak for every women, because their are many a hell of a lot better than you. You are an old, ugly, vile woman. I can tell you are jealous of young women who are actually attractive.

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and when that woman says no, then you demand she let you rape her, right? Don’t speak for ANY woman and get offthat I have a higner need for sex garbage. no, you have a bigger need to be treated like the spoiled child your mother raised,. As forme being ugly and old, ugly is subjective, you will be just as old and even uglier than I ever could because you are vile

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Shutup bitch

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You shut up, the douche bag just admitted he raped what ever woman he is dating because he thinks he should get to say when SHE wants sex. He is an abusive man and a rapist. HE SHOULD be in prison.

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Please save your bullshit for someone who cares

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It’s funny that you say you can say no to men but make fun of guys that say no to women, you clearly think way too highly of yourself.

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Unless you are a woman yourself, how do you know that it is very easy to get sex? My sister is older and overweight, yet still a virgin because men like you shame her and make her cry. YOU are the bad one.

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I say something to you! FIRST: Take 10 men and 1 woman, who says: You ALL CAN FUCK Me! Please, fuck me! My Garanty is, that 9 men would take her! It doesn’t a matter, how she is looking, fat,skinny, which age or whatever is!? And than take 10 women and 1 man who says, I want to fuck you all! My GRANTY is, that just 1 or 2 womens say yes, fuck me! That is the point! Women want all the rights, but don’t want to give something for it! And the reason, that I have a secret account, is the fact for protecting myself! With my opion I get a high risk that someone make an account-Code-breaking and than they all knew me and can kill me! This I don’t want! Normally I am a friendly gently man, who always take respectfully his Girls, but I make the experiences, that you women take me out! Take all my Money and my honor and give me nothing! I am a famous Person in my Country, and I am always lovely, friendly and helpful, but all the Girls I had, didn’t want a Gentleman, and so NOW I AM WHAT IAM WITH MY OPION!!! SORRY, but women making me today, what I am now!!!

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she’s a fat pig thats why

anjuli
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Also, if you were really honest and genuine, then you would not be hiding behind an anonymous account.

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that’s stupid and dangerous thinking.

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No, we are not the “bads” b/c we aren’t attacking people and hurting them. You, as a man, don’t understand anything about women, and by the way, sex isn’t love or security. Saying, “NO” isn’t breaking hearts, it’s only making you get rid of your own blueballs. Take care of your own problems, don’t expect women to do everything for you!

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Most women can easily have one night stands but some struggle just as much as some men in finding a long term partner. And in monogamous societies wouldn’t the number of men who reject marriage and serious relationships mathematically prevent the same number of women from marriage/relationship?

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By your attitude and looks, it’s safe to say men have downed alot of alcohol to even be in your presence let alone have sex with you, I wouldn’t give you a second look!

Caroline Carlson
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I am relieved and both my lovers thank you.

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Speak for yourself. There are many women born with the proper hormonal balance to be feminine and they love sex with attractive men who adore their bodies. And these women also get great pleasure from the sex act. Try some hormone therapy and you might not feel so frigid and independent. Thanks.

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Middle aged and overweight I get literally hundreds of messages asking me for sex or relationships on a social site. I’m a woman and feminist. lol Had a wonderful relationship for many years but he died.

Filopoemen
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“Always available, eh?” Explain the explosion of shit-faced fat fuck feminazies (probably look like you) who have only cats and dogs as companions and whine incessantly about men. A happily sexed gal would never whine as 1/100th time as much as some feminists who trolled the net for attention. “we are doing fine”, my ass!

Caroline Carlson
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Credible research shows that 40% of women desire marriage and children where as 80% of men do. Men are more likely to want to return to being married after divorce and less likely to say they are happy after divorce. Women report being happier being single and are less likely to want to remarry. Single women are generally in better health where as single men are in worse health. Soooo lots of these women choosing cats for companions are choosing that. Women in relationships are far more likely to have reasons to be complaining about men. And many of us who are single and chose to remain so are indeed happily sexed.

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It’s all about the perspectives. Just as the feminists used to portray marriage as horrible to women (which was not true), now marriage is verily a bad deal to men. The more men realisze it, the faster they will adapt to the new situation and in the end, even if 60% to 70% of men in society refused to marry, it would be worse off to women (individually and on the whole) than if they ever get married. You are still stuck with all 20 year old theories and researches. Go update.

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The most recent data shows that 40% of women want marriage where as 80% of men do. This is what the most recent data indicates. It’s a misconception that women are more desirous of marriage and men the ones balking at the thought. Men are more likely to want to return to being married after divorce and men report being less happy after divorce. Women are waaay less likely to want to remarry after divorce and report being much much happier post divorce. Single women are also much healthier where as the health of men who are single is much much worse than men who are married. When women marry their focus on household chores triples overnight as they assume the physical care of their husband. Even with small children in the home women see a decrease of household chores when divorcing since their husbands generally require more care than they add to the household. No I’m sorry this is what the most recent data from the most credible research indicate . The Mgtow men are misinformed as to the actual data and want to create the impression that it’s men who need to be convinced to marry and that women are the great beneficiaries of marriage. That we need to strive to gain their acceptance as they are holding back and women need to convince them of the need to marry and have children. No doubt there are men and relationships where this is the case. But when looking at the actual data men want the marriage and kids twice. As much as women and benifit much more than women do physically , emotionally and even financially. Men who are married in their 30s actually are in a higher pay scale than men in their 30s who have the exact same educational background and experience. Having a wife support a man’s career increases his financial abitlity. I am updated.

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You put out a lot about “recent data” (without any quote) simply to justify the bogus stance that women benefit much more by being single (kinda Mgtow female version). Men used to fancy marriage but now, only the dumbest fool cannot realise how risky it is. Most of the time men marry poorer women (the chance that women actually make family with poorer men is minimal) and let them call the shot since all the family law stand with the wives. Any problem and she will take house, kids and half what the man earn (and it doesn’t need to be a problem, just getting bored is decent enough excuse). Just try to note it, there have been huge explosion of clever, fit and materially comfortable men who resolutely refuse to marry (at all or at least until they are forty). Also try to note, there have been quite a clamor to get men to marry by any means but they seems to doesn’t give a rat’s arse.
Anyway, it’s such a waste of time arguing with a feminist ideologue. But then since i’m polite enough, I say you are just taking care of your interests. But mind you, men have their own interests and if they could compromise, there would not be such a family upheaval all across Western world. The more you spread the idea that women had better be single, there would be exactly another man who does the same message to men. In the end, Western women and men would become opponents in all walks of life and that would be the end for all women’s progress. The chance Western women can win versus their own men and traditional men from the rest of the world in the backdrop of a massive demographic decline is minimal. Good luck, eh!

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The center for family research has been around for fifty years and is recognized as the most credible and experienced center for research regarding families and partner relationships. Can’t help it if I’m more well read than you. Maybe there are more men refusing to marry….still ends up,with 80% wanting marriage and children with 40% of women wanting it. Women still report being happier while single and much healthier. Single men still report wanting to remarry soon after divorce and suffering decreased health outcomes while single. Interesting you see this as a game to be won. Women just want to be happy and generally you men seem to be dissapointing us on this level….which is why we are more likely to want to not remain with you. Other wise why would women report being happier when single while men not? You see single women and women who,wish to remain single as adversarial …..not so. We’re just not invested in spending the majority of,our energy investing in you instead of ourselves. You expect us to invest time and energy wise to your care in a way women don’t require of men. You aren’t bringing enough to the table…..which is why generally women are happier on the other side of divorce .

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You are so well-read and can’t even post a quote from any source. Anyway, I’m totally at ease to let you live in your bubble. The more there are such women like you who are so full of yourselves, the more men will wake up to the stupid situation that they are being stuffed in the West. Go WGTOW or whatever, just to remind you that as the weaker sex, the only thing women have benefited so far from the whole thing is the manhood divided and indifferent. When men united for their cause against women, it would be extremely unpleasant for every one. The best way for women is to maintain the confused state forever, but then there are women like you who just love to unify men ‘on the other side’. Again, good luck wink

Caroline Carlson
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Weaker sex😂. We’re more educated. We live longer. Men are more irrational and more violent and you think that’s superior?😂

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More educated at what? Women studies and psychobubbles, eh? How many percent of scientific discoveries women made per year in comparison to men. Women live longer simply because they don’t need to prove your manhood (which entails a huge amount of risk) to the tribes. Before, that’s about fighting to the dead in war. Today, it’s about braving some of the worst sport on earth just to prove there is enough resilience to protect the like of you in case shit hits the fan. And if women are so logical than men, how is this so hard for them to just feature equally at the STEM, unless they need the whole government to cut down the men and put the females up. Anyway I will repeat here, that I am actually very happy to have a woman like you who are so stupidly sexist that the more there are, the more you gals will drive men into the other line. Men have never been unified at the expense of themselves, but when they do, let’s see how it work out for ya!

Caroline Carlson
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No sorry my masters degree is in the medical field. More women are getting educated than are men these days and more are graduating college than are males….and women are competing as successfully in tech, finance and the sciences as men. Men have ONLY been unified in the expense of themselves.😂 And again women statistically are happier having more space and time to be themselves and not focusing on the care of men since a marriage adds an additional 12 hours of housework to care for the needs of men since this is the societal expectation men have always believed they are entitled to. My needs are met. I’m not afraid of men refusing to marry….my needs are better met through a more casual arrangement. And more women as they mature agree this suits their needs best. Men seem to still require a full time mate for their health, happiness and career growth.

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I said that give me a quote on any decent scientific discovery that confirmed men require a full time mate for their health, happiness and career growth and you could not. All you could do is to repeat your personal mantra again and again “women are best when they are alone while men sucks, blah blah”. How funny to know almost all that make the fun in real life or in the net nowadays have been made by men and you still say men will suffer if they don’t have a “full-timed” mate. Also of any mammal species that could be the most resistant to external force, it is man alone on top. You can babble again and again how happily alone women are only thanks to all the hard works men in the West have created and protected. Try say the same in the jungle of Africa. Very likely you will jump behind the first white man that appears. By the way, please print all what you said here to your doctor’s or nurse’ blouse next time you serve in a hospital so any male patient can avoid your service (for the good of their health and for the name of the hospital). Thanks.

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I did quote the research group I take many of these stats from and you are quoting no sources. Feel free to do some actual research instead of referring to your own opinions. Multiple studies from credible sources exist. What women are benefiting from is greater contentment when not caring for adult men as though they were children. If women were happier married they wouldn’t be the ones clamouring to remarry after divorce the way men are. They wouldn’t be healthier after divorce. Women report being happier and studies show healthier. We gain happiness and health. That’s how we benifit.

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say the manmenists who can’t and such.

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Men DO have a right to sex. By birth. Because they have a penis. That’s not a problem.

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You have zero “right to sex”, asshole. If you actually were a “real man”, you wouldn’t have a problem with it. You wouldn’t have to congregate with other pussy ‘men’s rights’ dickheads who fail in all aspects of life. You wouldn’t even be having this conversation. But….you’re a loser.

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The issue is the feminists are not telling women to be safety conscious. That if they don’t want to have sex with a random man, don’t go home or anywhere private with him. There is also issues with consent, because again feminists says that if a woman decides that she was too drunk, she can accuse a man of rape even though she fully complied at the time of the sex. Feminist says cat calling is precursor to rape. Women don’t get any repurcussions even when it has been proven that the rape or sexual harassment were false in some cases.

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agreed.

Martin Simonsen
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Read the first paragraph. Articles in Salon, Buzzfeed, and Huffington Post that were written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium? What more do you need to understand that this is satirical? A brain?

Mean Mal
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I know right. And he is AGAINST ABORTION RIGHTS. What a FUCKING LOSER.

Mean Mal
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Sarcasm morons…. Like what I just said. U have cognitive deficit.

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It’s not satire to attack, rape victims, an already victimised group. It’s not big, clever or funny. And this man may very well be an actual rapist.

Caroline Carlson
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He he is an actual rapist. He describes the rapes he has committed in detail. He describes how funny it is to,leave a woman physically and emotionally traumatized. He says men shouldn’t envision walking on a beach under the stars when thinking of women that they should visualized choking them while fucking them in the ass. His exact words. He says he loves raping a woman and trying to get her to like it. Loves seeing women cry in fear and pain.

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Where are the links to his admittance to raping women?

Caroline Carlson
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Come to my face book and it’s all there

Caleb Van Der Weide
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Actually interested, having just rediscovered this guy and his less than admirable take on morality, and humor, nevermind logic. There seem to be a few folks with your name though, could you simply post the links here?

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Nevermind, found it.

Debbie Jackson
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Scroll down on this article and you’ll see some direct quotes from the man himself in his own published material that graphically describe various rapes.

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/

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I am PRO, because I love INCEST and I love to fuck young girls! And the Girls from today, the People make from the normal nature sex a Sport! And with lovely smiling and blink-wink eyes the Girls today Show us men HERE I AM – YOU WANT ME! COME! – and than they say NO! – And that isn’t right too! The rights you women want, but the rest is forgotten, or what!? NO WOMEN NO CRY!!!

Caroline Carlson
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Wow you are pathetic undertaker. Yes it’s within anyone’s rights to say no to sex. Just because you are aroused by someone doesn’t mean they have any obligation to be with you. You don’t have the rights to anyone’s body. Our rights don’t come with any obligation to make you happy at all. I’m sorry young girls and your relatives have to be in your company . You sound pretty messed up. Leave children and family members alone. Sexually they don’t belong to you.

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Though I think you’re a dope I’ll labor enough to tell you that responding to him isn’t worth the effort.

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“He he is an actual… …in fear and pain.”

You know, we already have a great place to put these kinds of psychopaths: a high-security psychiatric hospital. It’s a lot harder to rape people in a straitjacket.

Debbie Jackson
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The problem is that there are plenty of rapists out there who are good at hiding their activities. And plenty of men who don’t consider their actions rape, but ignore consent and pressure women into sex anyway.

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Isn’t a man accused of rape after consensual sex also a victim? That’s the whole point. Taking the logic from the argument that a man, who has sex with a woman who consented at the time but afterwards regrets her consent and claims she was too inebriated to be allowed to consent, therefore is guilty of a crime, and making a philosophical argument that is the inverse of the original argument in order to illustrate the absurdity of it.

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Agreed! Buyer’s remorse isn’t rape.

Caroline Carlson
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Women aren’t reporting rape due to buyers remorse.

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yes he is.

Caroline Carlson
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It’s an absurd point. It’s a a small number of men compared to how many men actually rape and get away with it. You are asking me to ignore the 33% of women who are raped. Of that 70% will not report. Of the 30% who do report less the 3% of those are false allegations. A famous case of a ” false report” and a woman who was charged with false reporting and stated so publically was later founds to have been raped. She claimed the report was false when she was pressured to do so by police. Of the 3% or less who claim to have reported falsely almost half say they were forced to recount due. To pressure or force.

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It happens a lot in privileged cultures.

Debbie Jackson
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Of course being on the recipient’s side of a false rape accusation makes you a victim. The problem is that this actually happens with startling rarity. Most accusations of rape and sexual assault are true, and an awful lot of victims (men as well) do not come forward at all, let alone straight away, due to shame and psychological torment. In the example that you give, someone who happened to be pliable and manipulable while drunk and later found out that she had sex without her knowledge or sober consent, did not actually give informed consent. It shouldn’t be judged as strongly as a case where consent was never given at all but there should be some legal penalty to the situation in order to prevent men from simply raping any woman who had a drink that night and chalking it up to her inebriation. It should not be assumed that these accusations are false. It is more frequent for an actual rapist to claim falsehood.

EazyGoin
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yes it is satire regardless if you find it tasteful or not.

T-money
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And this woman may very well be a child molester.
I can do that too.

Rose
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“Satire is used against those in power” it is not satire to against already low people. It bullying

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“Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, corporations, government or society itself, into improvement.”

Satire is satire, it doesn’t distinguish between individuals and doesn’t discriminate, hence why it’s the perfect weapon of choice of pointing idiotic, nonsensical issues of the world we live in. Mainly it’s because of the increasingly idiotic portrayal of women as perpetual victims instead of actually empowering them, teaching them how to take care of themselves and how to defend themselves from criminals.

Look at his site first, then look up an interview with Karen Straughan (girl writes what on youtube). He talks about his and explains it nicely from 29 minutes in the video.

Caroline Carlson
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Yet Roosh rapes actual women and writes about it. Not satire when you actually rape and actually promote violence against women. He says all men should visualize choking a woman while fucking her in the ass. Not satire.

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But satire done correctly usually involves taking a viewpoint to a ridiculous extreme so as to point out how ridiculous it is even in the not-extreme. Colbert satirized right wing media by being the most absurd version of right wing media. Whose viewpoint is roosh taking to an absurd level here? If anything, this is a satire of people who say women shouldn’t drink because they will be raped. But that’s not who he claims to be satirizing.

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Okay, but listen- the guy writing this is not an okay guy like you or me, he is a guy that advocates and actively commits rape. It is VERY LIKELY that he, like many men’s rights activists, TRULY BELIEVES what he is saying. Even if it were satire, it would be poor satire because it is indistinguishable from real stances he takes, and is therefore difficult to proclaim as purposefully absurd.

EazyGoin
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satire is satire. derp.

Caroline Carlson
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He doesn’t want to decrease rape. He enjoys raping women and writing about it.

EazyGoin
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If he’s confessed to a crime by writing about it, he would be arrested (especially now with this much attention).
Your claims are not compelling.

Caroline Carlson
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No not necessarily. There would have to be a woman coming forward to,file a complaint. 70% of rape victems do not and many of his victems seem to be from foreign countries. My claims shouldn’t be compelling. His claims should be. Read his writings. Read about his forcing a tiny polish woman. Pretty clear. Other instances where he says the woman said no 40 times. His claims …not mine.

Debbie Jackson
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Scroll down on this article and you’ll see some direct quotes from the man himself in his own published material that graphically describe various rapes.

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/

Tom
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I just watched the video… The fact that he needed to explain himself for this ‘article’ shows that it is not satire.

Caroline Carlson
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Less thank 3% of rapists do a day in jail. Umm by your logic anyone strong enough to rape should be allowed to so why are you feeling sorry for the men raped in jail?

Defiant Fiandt
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Because you don’t understand the point doesn’t mean the author did anything wrong, nor does it mean your assessment bred from misunderstanding is valid. It just means you are limited in understanding.

Caroline Carlson
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He is a rapist. He talks about enjoying rape.mhe talks about how all men should visualize on a regular basis choking women forcibly while fucking them in the ass. He describes the rapes he has committed in detail. Describes how he likes leaving women sobbing and in pain. Explain how my understanding of his position is limited. He did commit crimes. He did something. Very wrong. That you defend him means you are doing something wrong. Go ask any woman you are close to they will explain it to you in detail. I’m don’t talking to your pathetic ass

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Citation needed.

Caroline Carlson
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Read his works. It’s there. Time to put on a pair of big girl panties and actually do some research. If you are supporting this man then shouldn’t you do some actual reading of his works? Jesus you can’t ask to be spoon fed everything. If I said water was wet would you need a citation for that? Develop a hungry mind and don’t rely on people here to provide you with every little thing. If you are here commenting we assume you are familiar with his work. If you are not familiar do some reading and then come back. There is a reason this guy is so hated by women. Go figure that out for yourself. Citation needed. You need a brain child

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I have, that’s why I’m asking you to cite a source to prove your assertions. Which you can’t do as you’re not being truthful.

Debbie Jackson
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Origamidojo
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You just used wehuntedthemammoth as a source….. You’re an idiot.

EazyGoin
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“defending him” proves nothing about anyone’s legal, moral or ethical stance.

if your logic was true, there would be no defense attorneys. you’re a dangerous person.

Caroline Carlson
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Defending him speaks very clearly to,your moral code. Defending someone who is callous about causing pain to others defines your moral character for sure. I’m dangerous? Give me a break. You are promoting rape culture. Done with you little boy.

EazyGoin
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Again, if your logic was true, defense attorneys would also get punished for defending their clients. They don’t.

Your comments are so ridiculous you might be a troll. I found this website because of you. Therefore, you are, quantifiably, promoting rape culture.

You’re giving this man a voice. Well done.

EazyGoin
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Caroline as also proven to have limited understanding in other things… like medical science. I would question anyone who uses statistics to supports a social science issue, but reject statistics that prove the effectiveness of vaccines. It suggests extreme and unreasonable bias.

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Sebbie
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He wrote this to get attention and notoriety full stop.

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Dude, no he doesent, get familiar with the content of his site and you will know better.

Toxic Avenger
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Exactly – GET FAMILIAR WITH THE CONTENT OF HIS SITE. This dude is a fucking whackjob.

Mean Mal
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Check your privilege.

scottishinlondon
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LOL

Caitlin
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Women and men who find this appalling, you can take this in the other direction. Donate to Willpowered Woman. This organization empowers young women who have been abused. The website is: willpoweredwoman.org

Rickety Janes
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I dont think external empowerment is equivalent to internal, self-derived, self-sustaining empowerment. Iff they give out free food or clothes or offer to help find employment, that again is not equivalent to internally generated self-empowerment.

Caitlin
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Did you visit the website? Have you ever been a victim of abuse?

Rickety Janes
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Only by angry women and Jesuits. I am not joking.

EazyGoin
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sad You are a victim of Jesuits, the *male congregation? :-/ I find those situations even more disturbing. :-/

Rickety Janes
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Actually the angry women were more damaging…I just thought the Jesuits were weird dysfunctional men with something wrong with them….the women, I actually wanted them to like and approve of me, you know, BECAUSE THEYRE WOMEN, and I was a young male child? Instead they would humiliate me in front of other kids, or find some way to get me physically punished by the appointed corporal punishment person of the year…one female teacher, seeing my IQ report i guess (Ithink they all had access to that info) physically pulled my desk, with me in it, into a deserted unused classroom, and told me i was asking too many questions…of course, what was in that room with me? AN ENTIRE SET OF ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICAS, back when they were still physically printed…oh it was like brer rabbit being tossed into the briar patch…but yeah, to this day I dont trust females, they are crueler than any man Ive ever met, including the poor mixed-up Jesuits.

EazyGoin
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Thank you for sharing this. Men have caused a lot of issues, but that is because they are/have been/were in positions of power. However, being a victim, we tend to generalize the group instead of handling the individual. This is also aligned with criticism on 3rd wave feminism.

Rickety Janes
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I was referring to damage done by women in positions of power.

Caroline Carlson
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Nice point not really relevant but whatever you need

Rickety Janes
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Oh, well, thanks for allowing me to have an opinion, even if you dont think its relevant, how gracious and generous of you.

Caroline Carlson
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Ok but only this once. Now go make me a sandwich.

Rickety Janes
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Sigh. If you said ‘please’, I probably would. Because I’m a man, and we are polite and helpful by nature, vs entitled autocrats projecting their own imbalance (= women, if you can’t parse the statement.).

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She has no real interest in equality and intersectionality; she is only interested attacking people. It’s pretty apparent this individual is a power hungry, hateful individual masquerading as the compassionate. This kind of behavior is what I see as the root of true inequality and injustice. I don’t think we can ever address and resolve the issue unless everyone can understand and accept this commonality. We are all at risk to be driven by it and must remain vigilant against it.

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or it’s a troll account…. it’s hard to tell.. the behaviors for both are strikingly similar.

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Jonathan Swift was an Irishman mocking the callous disregard the English had for the lives and well-being of the Irish. Roosh is a misogynist who advocates a callous disregard for female rape victims as a tongue-in-cheek exercise to… further his own, slightly less callous disregard for female rape victims. That’s the difference between a satirist and a troll.

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Actually, Mr. Roosh merely points out the difference, for example, between some degenerate man dragging a hapless woman into an alley and violently raping her, as opposed to some degenerate woman taking a nose full of cocaine in the washroom at the club and then painfully sucking the hapless janitor’s penis dry, and regretting it when she sobers up and then falsely complaining to the police that he raped her pie-hole because he wouldn’t pull his johnson away from her when she was stoned and drunk.

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Yes because that totally happens. Daily. Everywhere. And you totally didn’t pull that out of your ass in order to excuse your degrading views of women in society.

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Yes it does, particularly in N. America, jackhole, just pay attention to the daily news there.

I respect women who respect themselves, and society that is not bent over giving itself a blowjob over how ‘upright and fair’ it is [not].

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Yeah, no, it doesn’t happen happen that often here. Where are you getting your daily “news”?

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Moron.

JackFou
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This “N. America” sounds like a shitty place to live, dude. Try Saudi Arabia. I’m sure all your masculine dreams will be met and then some.

I’m in my late twenties and I’ve had sex with several women – sober, drunk and otherwise intoxicated – but not once have I been accused of rape.
Neither has any male friend of mine as far as I know.
Strange isn’t it? I guess we must be doing something right. It must be this “consent” thing feminists talk about. You should give it a try.

On the other hand I do know several women who have been raped in their life. For instance by “sleepwalking” boyfriends or during their childhood by horny grandpas.

According to “Mr. Roosh” both of these cases should be perfectly legal and it’s the woman’s fault for trusting her boyfriend or grandfather with not violating them.

If you truly believe in this kind of crap, I don’t wish to talk to you any further.
Have a good one.

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Well, I’m about 30 years older than you, son, and I’ve been intimate with countless broads, but guess what, stud: Not a single one was ‘drug or alcohol related’.

You admit the many times you’ve fucked drunk/drugged sluts and gloat about how you got away with it?

Then have the gall to falsely equate what Mr. Roosh clearly elucidated with ‘sleepwalking boyfriend rape’ or incestual paedophilia?

Let me say it again: drunken slut gets behind the wheel of a car, she is responsible civilly and criminally for reckless endangerment of herself and others. Same as if drunken slut gets used when drunk or drugged by the likes of you. Not that you don’t deserve punishment…

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It’s always entertaining to see elderly (white) men who don’t understand the modern world anymore, grampa.

That’s one way of reading my story. It’s quite revealing that you chose this particular way.

Another way – which happens to closer to the truth – would be that I “admit” the (many) times I had consensual sex with women. Plus the few rare instances when they had a few beers or a joint prior to intercourse.

I’m capable of telling the difference between someone who’s tipsy and someone who’s drugged out of their mind. I also recognize and respect women who do not want to have sex with me. Futhermore I have enough decency to not stick my penis into unconscious women.
Last but not least I don’t refer to my female friends as “sluts”.

I can’t quite put my finger on it but somwhere between fundamental levels of empathy and basic respect for other human beings must lie a reason why women don’t normally regret having sex with me afterwards and try to cleanse their mind of it with false rape accusations against me.

Concerning the cases of rape I mentioned: Unless you read a different article than I did, Roosh literally says “[…] if done in a dwelling or on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.”

By that definition the cases I mentioned are in perfect accordance with the law.
I’m not saying that those cases are what Roosh advertises but I’m saying that what he advertises renders those cases perfectly legal.

For the record: I have never “used” a “drunken slut”. But your skills in reading comprehension aren’t subject of this debate.

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you are a decent guy. Thanks. A woman is going to be very lucky when she is with you. Good job.

The12thUnknownMan
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Only if she’s a lesbian.

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Yes he will make a good dog pet

Wald
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Why do you assume The12thUnknownMan is white?

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Statistics/percentages.

Wald
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What statistics and percentages?

The12thUnknownMan
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That dickhead forgot the famous saying about, “lies, damned lies and statistics”.

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There is a HUGE difference between the drunk driving and drunk sex scenarios you play out. First off, drinking and getting behind the wheel is a decision made by the intoxicated individual. The only person responsible for what happens there is the driver as there is only one person involved in the crime (people they crash into are victims). When a girl gets drunk to the point where she can’t consent or was manipulated (there’s a reason legal docs get nullified if it’s found the signatures were made while under the influence ), this no longer just one person involved. The basis of the issue is that no one has any right to put their hands on someone else, so to say that it’s a woman’s fault for putting herself in a situation that makes her vulnerable just give the feminist validation when they talk about rape culture. Maybe that’s just how the culture was in your day, gramps, but things were pretty fuckin rapey back then anyway, right?

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Rapey as a muthafuckuh, suckling child.

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No, not necessarily true. A drunk woman (as that’s the story) can get behind the wheel of a powerful car and could drive it safely to the destination; however, in an interaction with another motorist who may have been driving to the laws of the road could lead the drunk woman to cause an accident because her intoxication prevented her from reacting to the situation unfolding. SHE made the decision to risk her life and others’ by driving drunk.

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“First off, drinking and getting behind the wheel is a decision made by the intoxicated individual.”

This is where you say the drunk person has self-agency and has made this choice by their own volition.

“When a girl gets drunk to the point where she can’t consent or was manipulated”

This is where you contradict yourself with the implication that a drunk girl has no agency and makes no choices under her own volition.

Which one is it, mate? A person doesn’t suddenly lose their own self-agency the moment sex becomes involved.

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//This is where you say the drunk person has self-agency and has made this choice by their own volition.//

Choosing to do something illegal, yes.

//This is where you contradict yourself with the implication that a drunk girl has no agency and makes no choices under her own volition.//

Not choosing to do anything illegal.

If I get drunk, and wander into a bad neighbourhood…stupid maybe, but if I get beat up and robbed, whoever did it is still the criminal. Being stupid isn’t choosing to get mugged.

If I get so drunk I’m barely able to walk, and some “Good Samaritan” offers to let me come in for a coffee, murders me, and chops me up into little pieces, they’re still the murderer.

If I go to a house party, get drunk, pass out, and the host decides to rape me in my sleep, it really wasn’t me choosing to be raped.

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I don’t. That’s why it’s in parenthesis. But the same behaviour is routinely observed in elderly white men here in the west.

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According to what, your own limited observation?

JackFou
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I could link you to some newspaper and blog articles but since they’re not in english, odds are you won’t be able to read them anyways.

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Why do you think he’s an elderly man?

JackFou
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He said that himself. He’s around 30 years older than me.

Wald
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That’s true. My mistake. I reread it all.

Still – why do you think he’s white? I know you put it in parenthesis, but you’re thinking it and insinuating that he’s just an old (racist, sexist, white) elderly man who doesn’t get the world (or anything else) and just entertaining.

Wald

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He also forgot that it’s by and large young black and muslim guys doing the raping

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Oh, so white men never commit rape? Screw you and the psycho who wrote all that sick ,stupid bullshit above. One sick pathetic little man, who feels he’s entitled to women’s bodies, found out he wasn’t, and is throwing a fit about it.

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Oh, look, a deflection.
Did someone blaspheme aganst the sacred totems of your narcissism?
Talk about “throwing a fit”, hah!

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His behaviour is imho typical for a certain group of people which consists mostly (though not exclusively) of eldery white straight cis-men.

You know, the kind of people who’d say it’s “enough already” with the rights we’ve been giving to women, blacks, gays, transsexuals….
They should be luckily for how good they have it here since in other parts of the world they’ be stoned to death (as if not being stoned to death were somehow an acceptable standard for high quality of live).

People who are so used to their own privileges that the idea of losing them somehow equals oppression in their heads.
Now I’m not saying he’s a racist or homophobe. But judging by his attitude towards women I wouldn’t be surprised if thinks about as highly of gays or trans-people as well.

Sure, some of my points were downright provocative but since he’s provocative – even openly insulting – himself I don’t see any reason to treat him any better in return.

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Yes, you ARE a racist.

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of course he is racist, everyone is racist if they are not from the same genetic background as you aren’t they? that was sarcasm by the way

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Have you heard of “brewers droop”.

It is a mocking term used to describe a situation when a man is so drunk he cannot get a erection.

It is a mocking term one used typically because he is seen as less than a man.

NOTHING in regards to his inability to consent is even considered and in fact his inability to be raped (if we use the same rules on intoxication for men as we do women) is seen as a weakness.

Now lets imagine if instead women’s vaginas dried up and closed up after excess drinking and we had terms like “brewers drought” to describe the effect and considered them not real women due to it.

THEN i would accept we live in a “RAPE CULTURE” targeting women rather than one targeting men.

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We live in a rape culture targetting women, because regardless of what the law says, 90% of rape victims are female and 99% of rapists are male. These are the (sad) FACTS, Make of them what you will.

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http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449454/More-men-raped-US-women-including-prison-sexual-abuse.html
You mean regardless of what evidence says, your precious “proteges” are magically immune to committing rape and men being raped, because they said so on Feminist Dogma Studies.

What a zombie…

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Absolutely agreed with you….right up until this.

> White straight cis-men
> privilege

You know, I’m sure that “mostly” painting a demographic with such a wide brush is a popular tactic in certain circles you enjoy, but in society it’s a big no-no.

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“His behaviour is imho typical for a certain group of people which consists mostly (though not exclusively) of eldery white straight cis-men.”

So you’re making assumptions based on stereotypes?

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Unlike you, he comprehends what he reads. That would be my guess.

Wald
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This is not your conversation. Go and be pathetic somewhere else.

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NO.

Caroline Carlson
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As much her conversation as yours.

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@jackie

Unlike you he’s not lying about his gender as an attempt to add credence to made up anecdotes. “You had sex with several women” pull the other one treacle.

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“I also recognize and respect women who do not want to have sex with me for whatever reason. ”

The drunk girl in question wants to have sex. You are telling men they must reject women who want to have sex with them because they are too drunk which is a traditionalist, paternalistic role with patriarchy written all over it. Women are responsible for their sexual decisions even if they are intoxicated. There is a difference between being wasted and being unconscious. Men and women who get drunk together don’t become rapist if they hook up. Let’s bring this conversation back down to earth instead of having self righteous jerks play moral authority by misrepresenting the arguments of their opponents.

“I can’t quite put my finger on it but somewhere between fundamental levels of empathy and basic respect for other human beings must lie a reason why women don’t normally regret having sex with me afterwards and try to cleanse their mind of it with false rape accusations against me.”

If you think women don’t normally regret sex then you’re fooling yourself. That girl who didn’t want to become too attached or already did may regret hooking up or someone who’s cheating in a monogamous relationship. Turning those regrets into ‘rape’ isn’t justice. We saw that with the Hofstra 5 who were accused of gang rape only to be saved by one taking a cellphone video showing a consenting accuser. She regretted her choices but she wasn’t raped.

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So if you get drunk & I shove a cactus up your ass, it’s okay, because you are responsible for being drunk. And it’s okay if i steal your wallet, too, because you are responsible for being drunk. Hope you wear this on a t-shirt to your next kegger.

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That’s a fantastic comment!

Cpt_Justice
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It was a disgusting comment, & the language is foul, but it needed to be made & it was what he – & everyone who agrees with him – deserved.

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Did he ask you to shove a cactus up his ass?

Cpt_Justice
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HE GOT DRUNK, DIDN’T HE?

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he didn’t. that’s the point.

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If I ask you to stick a cactus up my arse, that’s fine. If I don’t , that’s assault.

If I give you my wallet, that’s fine. If you take it, that’s theft.

If I ask you to have sex with me, that’s fine. If I’m passed out, asleep or say no, that’s rape. Regardless of having drinks or not. I think was the original point. Someone can claim rape if it they have been drinking, regardless of consent given, but not if they go driving while drunk. They are always responsible, no matter how drunk.

I hope that’s clear now.

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What’s clear is that you didn’t get what I was actually saying, & that you need to address this to the person who prompted my post.

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You have a strange idea of what a normal and healthy sexual encounters should look like.

What’s the news here? Bad people exist. People have falsely accused other people of various crimes to gain personal benefits for centuries. It’s unfortunate but it’s not likely to change any time soon. But somehow all you’re concerned is women and in particular women who make false rape accusations.
People are not jailed on hearsay but based on evidence.
Things might be different in this “N. America” so your mileage may vary. Just to give you an idea of what’s going on in the rest of the world: For instance in Germany there was the fairly high-profile case of “Jörg Kachelmann” who was accused of rape by his ex-girlfriend but was ultimately cleared of all charges because of lack of evidence supporting her version of the story.

Everything in your post screams that you’re terrified of women.

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It also seems like he’s really expecting an awful lot of women to regret having sex with him so much that they want him CONVICTED. Maybe he should take some of the advice he keeps giving women and make better choices. Stop sleeping with the small minority of women who would lie and lock you up.

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“The drunk girl in question wants to have sex. You are telling men they must reject women who want to have sex with them because they are too drunk”

Actually yeah, I mean by law, a person (male or female) can NOT consent to sex while intoxicated. If you are sober, or at least less drunk than someone you are trying to sleep with, maybe you should take the responsibility that whoever it is (male or female) isn’t in the position to make the decision to have sex that night.

A true lady/gentleman would help that drunk ass wash up and get in bed. Then ask them out on a sober date and see where that takes you.

It doesn’t take a damn genius to respect someone in a time of weakness/intoxication. Sleeping with someone that can barely form a coherent sentence, when you are nearly sober, is clearly WRONG and is taking advantage of the victim (again, male or female).

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Exactly.

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Most people don’t make good decisions when they’re intoxicated, and some men use that as an opportunity to take advantage of a woman and sexually assault her while she’s drunk, knowing that she won’t recall what happened. Let’s be real about that happening too—don’t pretend that it dosen’t.

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You have to be wholly shaved with thongs stick in your ass to hope somebody will love you, oh, I am sorry, fuck you! You have to b half naked and boozed at social event, to hope somebody will love you….oops, mistake again.
Everywhere from any media, adds, films, billboards, trains, covers, shirts…. are rolling women appropriate as a sexual objects. Some hundreds times those images go through your brain, and it starts to perceive it as the norm. In our post postmodern times marriage is shrinked to a contract, a moms’ websites are full of chat about food, kid’s activities and how their husbands want a threesome with questions and, wow! a lots of serious advices how it can b done. You cook this meal like that, you do threesome like this….normal.
The men and women are in this equal victims. Women are not loved, but fucked and men never felt the bliss of true love.
Our concern should be who is behind this culture, why and how long. And maybe how much this hormone driven zeigeist is bringing to its creator

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I can’t quite put my finger on it but somewhere between fundamental levels of empathy and basic respect for other human beings

Really. It seems that you only show it to one gender. You’re real quick to paint us as the bad guy without understanding us.

If women want to be treated as human being then treat men as human beings. It is that simple. We may not be monsters but we’re not going to get slaughtered either.

The false accusation rate for rape is 60%. The reasons given for this false accusation rate: spite,revenge,even boredom. These are the cases where the accuser deliberately lied. This is from a U.S. Air Force study by Dr. Charles McDowwell. From the book The Myth Of Male Power by Warren Farrell.

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That is a lie. The false accusations for rape as no higher than any other crime & most likely lower. 8% max. Stop lying, &, better yet, stop reading quack philosophy.

Masculist Man
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What do you base your information on? Cite your evidence or shut up. Your choice.

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Same to you, cite your sixty percent statistic or shut up. Your choice.

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I guessing cpt justice is basing his/her stats on official research which is widely accepted not one book by a military man with an inferiority complex.

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Inferiority complex causes you to look up 1,218 reports of rape made between 1980 and 1984 and find that about a third of them was admittedly made-up, and only 460 had any evidence to support the claims.

Femenists need no such patriachal oppressive constructs to see what they want to see!

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The “proven false” or “unfounded” rate is 8%. You can’t say that all false rape accusations have been uncovered, because they didn’t hold up in court/the accuser admitted they were lying/the accused had an alibi/whatever-other-reason, any more than you can say all people accused of and not convicted of rape were not rapists. (And surely you wouldn’t argue that, would you?) The justice system isn’t perfect, even for those who didn’t do anything wrong (see false imprisonment/execution cases since time immemorial). There’s a huge percentage between those “proven false” and those “proven true”, within which it is impossible to know which is which.

Also, that’s only for those accusations that go to law enforcement, and were proven false. We don’t have any reason to believe that all false rape accusations are taken to law enforcement, especially when it’s more difficult to make the accusation stick when dealing with the law, or that all false accusations are proven false. So what about accusations made to schools and in social circles, which can (and do) still ruin people’s livelihoods and reputations?

Should we assume that the percentage (8% at most) of accusations which are proven false (and this is only those PROVEN false, not all which ARE false) when taken to law enforcement, is the same as those that ARE false when less investigation and lower standards are the norm in social circles?

I think not.

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(You might want to re-read what I wrote; I’m the one saying that MRA-holes exaggerate)

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(You must not understand what I wrote. You’re saying that, at most, the false accusation rate is 8%. I’m saying, that’s only those that go to law enforcement, and are proven false or deemed unfounded. Seriously, re-read what *I* wrote, and you’ll see that I’m criticising EXACTLY what you wrote.)

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Oh, I see. Well, you are wrong. Because that’s not what the 8% means. That percentage also includes the ones where they’ve deemed there’s just not enough evidence to try to convict; NOT “all proven false or unfounded”.

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So respond to my first comment, and tell me where I’m wrong. Don’t tell me to re-read your comment, which I was clearly addressing. You said 8% at most, I said no, that’s inaccurate. Show me where I’m wrong.

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I *just did*. You ignored that, too!

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No, you really didn’t. You said, “Well, you’re wrong.” You completely ignored the fact that the 8% number is limited to law enforcement, and does not extend to social circles and college campuses, where the standards of investigation are lower. So, answer this: What makes you think the false accusation rate is as low in social circles and college campuses, as it is in law enforcement, where high standards of investigation are held?

But that aside, let me try to explain this to you. What percent of people accused of rape are convicted? For our purposes, let’s call it 15%. (This number if most likely inaccurate. Substitute whatever the real number is, and take things from there.) So, only 15 out of 100 people accused of rape are actually convicted in court. We can assume that the majority of these people actually committed the crime, but there are probably some who are wrongly convicted. For our purposes, we’ll ignore these people, and assume that everyone convicted actually committed the crime.

And let’s take the number of accusations that are proven false, we’ll call it 10%, just because. (Again, the number doesn’t really matter, and for our purposes, we’ll say this number is only those conclusively proven to be false. I’m just showing the “unknowability” around rape accusations.)

So, we’ve got the number of “proven” “false accusations”, 10 out of 100. Using this, we could say that 90 out of 100 accusations are true, because only this number is proven false. This seems to be what you’re trying to do. But we can do the same thing on the other side.

Here, we’ve got the number of those accused of rape who are convicted, 15 out of 100. Using this, we could say that 85 out of 100 accusations are false, because they are not convicted, and it is not proven that they committed the crime. This is probably grossly inaccurate, but we can’t know, because the crime is so difficult to prove.

So, which do we say is true? Are 90 out of 100 accusations true? or are 85 out of 100 accusations false? Note: This is only for those accusations that go to law enforcement, not those put forward in social or business circles, college campuses, or anywhere else.

You can say that 90 out of 100 accusations are true, because only 10 out of 100 are proven false. But I can say 85 out of 100 accusations are FALSE, because only 15 out of 100 are proven TRUE. Neither of us is correct, because we can’t know if the person accused of the crime is guilty, unless it’s proven. We call that “innocent until proven guilty,” using which, my “85% of rape accusations are false” could be defended. But, AGAIN, the justice system is imperfect, and innocents are convicted, and guilty people walk free.

I don’t know if you understand this yet. I could say that only those convicted committed the crime, just like you’re saying only those accusations which are proven false (or deemed unfounded) are false. It doesn’t work, we can’t know who did and didn’t commit the crime, because we just can’t.

And this is only in law enforcement and the justice system, where there are higher standards of investigation than in social or business circles, or on college campuses, or wherever else accusations are made. An accusation does not have to go to court, and the accused doesn’t have to be convicted, for the accused’s life to be ruined, or irreparably damaged.

So no, I don’t accept the “8%” number, because that’s pretty much the baseline. It’s AT LEAST 2% to 8%; that’s not the maximum number. The maximum number is all those who are accused, but not convicted. The minimum is where it’s proven that they didn’t do it. And in a court system that (correctly) operates on “innocent until proven guilty”, we cannot (and MUST not) assume that anyone who is accused is guilty, if they haven’t been proven as such. It’s damned hard to prove a negative (that the accusation is false), or that something didn’t happen, or that someone didn’t do something; that’s why the burden of proof is on the accuser to prove that something DID happen, or that someone DID do something. Here, they have to prove a rape happened, and that the person accused committed the rape. The accused is not obligated to prove that they didn’t commit the crime, because then everyone would need a constant alibi. Everyone would be guilty until proven innocent, which JUST. DOESN’T. WORK.

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You still there?

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Still waiting for that evidence, cpt_cuck. If you can’t produce it, you need to shut up and go home.

Cpt_Justice
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And you can’t read, either. Or, more likely, won’t. Such a shock. Please hold your breath until I repeat myself for you, boy.

Caroline Carlson
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Oh yeah what sort of evidence would you like? Google is an amazing invention for those with a hungry mind. You should consider developing one. If I said water is wet would you need me to cite that too or would you put on you big girl panties and check it out for yourself?

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Sorry Cpt Justice, but you are wrong.

“For example, the UCR stipulates that the category “unfounded” is reserved for “a complaint that is determined through investigation to be false or baseless. In other words, no crime occurred. If the investigation shows that no offense occurred nor was attempted, UCR Program procedures dictate that the reported offense must be unfounded . . .”

http://www.icdv.idaho.gov/conference/handouts/False-Allegations.pdf

It’s not that there wasn’t enough evidence, it’s that the evidence shows conclusively that no crime occurred.

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Consider 70% don’t even go to the police.

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But they go to you, apparently.

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and don’t forget the number of rapes which are never reported to the law at all

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Of course, let’s not forget about those. It was so difficult to explain to “Cpt_Justice” how their number isn’t accurate when focusing only on the most relevant of factors (and I’m not sure they are convinced, even now), I can only imagine what would happen if we introduced other numbers which aren’t strictly relevant to false allegations. Not strictly relevant to this discussion, but incredibly important in the discussion of rape crimes and justice, as a whole.

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Wait, you guys disrespect men as well? I didn’t know that my respect towards men needed confirmation too!
Did I hurt your male ego?
Also “other human beings” includes men too, at least in my book.
I’m not labelling anyone as a bad guy – these morons label themselves as bad guys by repeatedly referring to women as “sluts” or suggesting physical abuse towards women as a solution for their own problems in society.
They’re even proud of it because women are supposedly attracted to bad guys.
I merely call them out for it.

You can have your battles about who has the better statistics with someone else. I seriously don’t have the time for this.
If a woman treats you badly, feel free to walk away from that woman. Feel free to campaign for male issues too. Like real issues – not “women refuse to have sex with me therefore I hate women now!”.
But somehow MRAs are too busy demanding attention for their male egos everytime someone mentions female issues.

I never labelled men as monsters. Don’t execute your concept of a hostile feminist on me. I never said that only men could be sexist or sexism only works in the direction male –> female.
Sexism works in all directions. Male–>female, female–>male, male–>male and female–>female.

But if you think women should be physically abused because they don’t want to fuck you (and some dudes here have more or less literally suggested that) you are – by definition – a sexist, a misogynist, an asshole and all sorts of rotten. Doesn’t matter if you have a penis or not.

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You’re a blind fool. Remember the mattress carrying bitch. The man she accused was a male feminist so don’t think you’re safe because you’re not. It would be so funny to watch you get busted and thrown in jail on a false rape charge.

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I’m glad to see that you hate me even more than those vile women and their false rape accusations. So much in fact that you’d enjoy seeing me being charged with false rape accusations which you say you dread so much. I couldn’t have exposed you any better myself.

Given how few rapes are ever reported and how few of those reports are false and how even fewer accused rapists are ever prosecuted and punished I think it’s fair to assume I’m safe. Feminist or not.

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JackFou – checkmate smile you totally won this argument. keep being you. people like you give me hope in humanity <3 xo

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sexism is institutionalised. Men may experience predjudice based on their sex, but not sexism as an ingrained societal habit. Mysandry barely exists except in the minds of those poor creatures who are afraid of strong women…e.g, those who get limp members when they can not dominate chicks and those who hate an entire sex for being just that

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LIAR.

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I pulled this from Stanford’s website:

Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, the same percentage as for other felonies (FBI). So while they do happen, and they are very problematic when they do, people claim that allegations are false far more frequently than they are and far more frequently than for other crimes. Put another way, we are much more likely to disbelieve a woman if she says she was raped than if she says she was robbed, but for no good reason.

On a related note, only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history, and they will be labeled as lunatic, psychotic, paranoid, and manipulative. Just because someone does not report their crime does not mean it did not happen. Furthermore, only one in two claims lead to prosecution, so if the DA decides not to prosecute, that says nothing about whether or not it happened. (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates)

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Yes, and most of those false rape cases are ALLEGATIONS (when you said you were raped but doesn’t necessarily accuse anyone), and not actual accusations.

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Mate I am sorry but if you believe this shit then your a tit, also its actually between 2 to 8% about the same as any other crime. Your confusing false accusation with lack of conviction.

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there is s difference between not enough evidence to prove rape to 12 jurors and an actual non-consentual sex act. Just because 12 men don’t consider having sex with an unconscious woman to be rape, does not mean the woman was not rped

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Doesn’t mean she was, either.

judyt00
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yes, actually, if she wS UNCONSCIOUS, THEN SHE COULD NOT GIVE CONSENT. HENCE, RAPE

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By definition yes it does. The unconscious cannot consent to sex. Marcus if my friend Greg came over and had sex with your unconscious body would you say fair game because you were unconscious ? Or would you by definition consider it rape?

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Can you link me to this 60% statistic?

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Absolute rubbish! False reporting of rape varies from 3-8%. EXACTLY THE SAME as false reporting of many other crimes.
You have to have a really sick view of women to believe that there are that many women lying every year, and for what? to be called names in court and ‘benefit’ from the ludicrously low 3% rape conviction?
The way people like you cry about false rape accusations, one would think most rapists go to jail, but the truth is they don’t. Most of them are walking around free..or online defending this kind of thinking..

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That is an absolute lie.

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False accusation of rape is no where near 60% idiot. No credible stats have ever said that. The military has 16% rapist in the general population so much more rape happens around the military. The military has great incentive to hide the truth about sexual assault. The actual percentage is significantly lower and has been determined through repeated research. Closer to,less than 6% not 60%. The myth of male power ….give me a fucking break. Women routinely suffer huge backlash for reporting rape which is why close to 70% never do. The overwhelming percentage of rapes go unpunished with less than 3% of rapists doing a day in jail. Prosecutors admit that since the creation of sex offender lists they are 48% less likely to even charge with rape because they feel the lists are ” too punitive ” . If you are so afraid of women then please stay the hell away from us at all times not required for work. My god you Mgtow men are a bunch of whiney children. Stop defining your masculinity by your relationships with us, stop trying to control us and do something productive with your own lives. Stop obsessing with controlling us. Are your lives so devoid of meaning?

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http://www.cotwa.info/p/false-rape-allegations-assault-on.html
Obsessively conjuring up images of omnipresent, invisible persecution to rationalize calls for control and policing is a well-known manifestation of the narcisstic personality disorder.

Stop obsessing with controlling us. Are your lives so devoid of meaning?

Psychological projection: the case study.

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no one should make false reports on anyone.. but the 60% is wrong.. still i dont see why your defending rape? If women want to be treated as human being then treat men as human beings. no matter how your treated raping..hitting ect.. is not acceptable.

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the irony, you moron, is that most feminists outraged by Roosh’s article would say an intoxicated woman CANNOT give consent, so you raped those women. I don’t think you’re aware of what kind of insanity modern North American feminists are up to.

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You mean those crazy “feminazis” from your nightmares? Yeah, I don’t really believe you that they actually exist in relevant numbers. I have yet to meet a single one.

Good for me I’m not living in North America, hu?

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“My point was that the mere involvement of alcohol doesn’t turn sex into rape no matter what certain people may claim.”

Better tell that to the North American feminists that Roosh is referring to.

They would consider you are rapist.

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Ha, please don’t try to speak for North American feminists or any other type of feminist. It would be an extremely small and very irrational percentage of them who would make such a claim. Sex after a couple or even a few drinks is one of life’s great pleasures. The issue is anyone taking advantage of someone who is clearly drunk—slurring, not able to make sound decisions, not in control of their physical and mental faculties.

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Ever heard of Astro-turfing?

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Yes, it takes an “outraged feminist”: to point out the obvious, & they get to be called “insane” for it. I suggest you get someone drunk & then have them sign a legal contract, & see how far it gets you when you insist in court that *he* was drunk, so it’s *his* fault if he doesn’t like the terms.

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Captain Justice white knight extrodinaire.

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Your sexism is almost cute. Almost.

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JackFou already explained this to you. there is a difference between tipsy and obliterated. i am a feminist, and i just did a consensus of my female roomates (not all of them consider themselves as feminist necessarily) and we all agree, a woman who’s drunk can give consent, but taking advantage of a woman who’s falling all over herself, ready to pass out is completely different. if you hate feminists so much, just stick to women in the MRA scene, they are out there. There is no need for hostility and paranoia towards people you may not agree with.

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except you forced sex onto a woman incapable of giving consent and how, pray tell, is that NOT rape? If someone drugged you and stole your wallet is that not robbery? why is it that you think the woman has to be responsible for YOUR actions when you choose to force your penis into her body?

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The difference is between drinking and voluntarily becoming intoxicated vs being drugged by someone, so it’s not a great analogy. That said, the responsibility is the same. To me, getting really drunk in an environment where there are likely to be rapists isn’t a very good idea. However, that doesn’t transfer any moral responsibility to the victim. I would recommend staying away from situations like that, but that is because of the sad truth that there are people who will take advantage of the opportunity to rape someone who is barely conscious or passed out. Bottom line: people should be able to get really drunk, pass out, and not be raped ever. The responsibility is on the rapist completely. I would recommend not, for example, getting really drunk at some fraternity party because these sorts of things are likely to happen there. However, someone who chooses to do so anyway STILL bears no responsibility for the actions of others. It really doesn’t matter to me what someone did to supposedly put themselves in a position where they were more likely to be raped, because the bottom line is that people should not be raped. End of story.

In the near term, “teaching men not to rape” is not going to be a successful strategy alone. There will need to be some major changes in our society as we slowly dismantle the cultural patterns of thought (often referred to as “rape culture” or “the patriarchy”, although I don’t think either of these names describes the concepts that they refer to very well) that create an environment in which sexism can fester. Once we get that worked out (probably at least over 100 years from now) we can be successful at nearly eliminating people from committing rape in the first place.

However, we’re stuck in the present with all of its associated trappings of gender roles that are extremely harmful to both men and women. Teaching people to avoid situations where they are more likely to be raped is a good solution in the mean time. You still have the right to pass out drunk and not be raped, though. The problem is that people will not respect your human rights. We can try to get people to avoid these situations and have no blame at all for victims who are raped in these situations at the same time. There are some small-minded people around who don’t understand the distinction (take a look around this site) but it is an important one.

Finally, I think we need to be more specific about whether or not someone can consent at a given level of intoxication. Alcohol is a mind-altering drug that blocks neurotransmitters. It lowers inhibition, which by definition makes people more likely to agree to something that they would not if they were not under the influence of a mind-altering drug. That said, there are huge numbers of people who have sex with alcohol in their systems and I’m not about to start labeling them all as rapists. How do we decide? I have no idea. Obviously someone who can’t walk, is barely conscious, or unconscious cannot give consent. What about someone who is moderately drunk and could not safely drive, but is still pretty lucid and can form complete thoughts and understand the thoughts of others? I don’t know. Someone who is “buzzed” and could not safely drive but isn’t as drunk? I would be inclined to say that this person is capable of giving consent, but I’d ideally like to see some more research on this subject with MRI scans and laboratory studies and things.

The context of the situation also matters. There is a difference between someone who goes to a party and attempts to get people really drunk so that they will have sex with them, and people who, say, have a couple of glasses of wine and decide to have sex. (These are pretty stereotypical examples, but I hope that they get the point across. Might the relationship status or history of mutual sexual encounters change the level of drunkenness required for consent? I don’t know. I suppose that, while sober, you could also give blanket consent to sexual activity while intoxicated with a specific person, although this would be more complex. It could also vary based on level of intoxication or involve agreement on what sexual activities are given blanket consent and what is not.

In any case when unsure sure of someone’s ability to give consent, I would be inclined to postpone sexual activity until communication while no longer intoxicated. So you didn’t have sex with some person at a specific time even though you could have? Big deal. Having sex with someone who would not have consented while sober and feels violated? Very bad. You could always wait until later. If they still want to have sex while sober, then great, go for it. If they don’t, it’s also a good situation because you didn’t do anything together that they didn’t want to. Even as a guy, I think I would have a lot of respect for someone who opted not to engage in sexual activity while I was unable to give consent, even if I would have consented anyway while not intoxicated. It would show that she valued me as a human being and not just some sex object.

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By your own definition, you have, you just throw the dart and then draw the bullseye around it.

You admit to alleged penerative sexual interaction with an inebriated/drugged person, and subjectively determine that “it’s cool” because *you* decided that your victim was sober enough to consent, and then you justify yourself by your claim that no rape allegations have been submitted against you, yet.

At the same time, you admit that you, too, were inebriated or drugged at the time of the alleged incident (and interestingly omitted to mention whether or not you were “horny”, which if you were, means your judgement is impaired further).

Obviously I now pity you immensely, young fool, for your end shall clearly be STDs and/or rape allegations.

Will you help start a new org. for victims like you called: PADOARF – Persons Against Drunk or Alchohol Related Fornication?

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Since you didn’t immediately catch my drift, I explained in my subsequent post what I meant be having sex while drunk or otherwise intoxicated.
It speaks volumes about who you are as a person that after hearing “drunk sex” apparently you picture me having sex with some “drunken slut” in a nightclub since you predict my “end” to be STDs and/or rape accusations.
This is not what I consider normal and healthy sexual encounters and this is not the kind of sex I desire either.
I prefer to sleep with women who want me as much as I want them.

Just to be clear about the point I was trying to make:
You painted a picture of evil women who get deliberately intoxicated, subsequently have sex with someone while intoxicated, end up regretting it the next day and accuse last night’s sex partner of rape.
My response was that this doesn’t happen nearly as often as you make it out to be based on my own experience and the experience of the people around me.
To round this up I even presented you evidence of “Mr. Roosh” himself saying that this doesn’t happen nearly as often as MRAs/you are saying it does.

You are so afraid of men being wrongly accused of rape that you’d rather live in a world where all women live in constant fear of being raped.

You want women to be held responsible for being raped but you’re infuriated by the idea of men being held responsible for being accused of rape.
You don’t care about women, you don’t care about equal rights, you don’t care about justice – you only care about yourself. You’re a selfish hypocrite – along with Roosh and his ilk.
I pitty you, old man, for your end will be bitter and lonely.

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‘I prefer to sleep with women who want me as much as I want them.’
And this is key.
Most anti-feminists and MRAs are just creeps fighting for the right to have sex with unwilling women.

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Except for the fact that Roosh is not an MRA and nor are these return of kings people. Roosh and Return of Kings have claimed they are not MRAs over and over. MRAs have stated over and over that they are not connected to them either. Why in the bloody fuck do you people refuse to accept this? What do two opposing anti-feminist views have to gain in lying about their affiliation with one another? Nothing.

In fact, MRAs are hated by these people because they consider us “pussies” and simps for not taking a male chauvinist stance. Many MRAs are women. The most famous MRA on Youtube is a woman, for fucks sake.

MRAs do not want rape to be legal, you fucking liar. They just want men and boys to be treated as fair as women and girls, and to have the same rights as women, like genital autonomy, for example, the most basic human right of all. I dare you to actually ask a real MRA what their views are. In the meantime, you won’t find an accurate depiction of MRA goals from feminist sources. The only crime MRAs have ever commited is challenging the 3rd wave feminist narrative and daring to have compasson for men and boys.

In the meantime, strawman arguments are tacky as fuck. Apparently, lying and strawmanning is a feminist tradition. Actually facing your movement’s logical fallacies, lies and harm to men and boys is just too difficult, it seems.

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By and large men are not being harmed by false rape accusations. Men are not being harmed by credible rape accusations. Universities, high schools, coaches , employers readily come to the defense of men accused of rape and bully the women/ girls into shutting up. Men still sit in a place of privilege in this country and many / most resent women and are hostile to any attempts we make at body autonomy.
Women still being harmed and silenced. Men and boys still getting away with rape. No improvement in rape convictions in my lifetime and rates of rape increasing with a greater percentage of men raping than twenty years ago. The conversation of rape isn’t equal to men being harmed.

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except we both know that Roosh v started return of kings for the solepurpose of denigrating women and forcing sex and violence on the unwilling

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UH OH!
Jack is a racist.
And a rapist apparently…

How do you know it she is just tipsy or just a little bit more than tipsy?
Do you have professional training?
Or do you carry a breathalyzer on dates?

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Uh oh! Juanita is a masculinist troll. Between a decent and respectful man and sexist douchebags, she prefers the last ones. No woman ever! This is masochism. Try have a drink with these men venting about “drunken sluts”.

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The problem is that you may think she is sober enough but that is not your decision to make and the next day you admitting that she was clearly tipsy but not drugged out of her mind would get you convicted should she decide to accuse you of rape.

You admitting that she was noticeably under the influence of alcohol makes you a rapist nowadays.

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and so it should if you force your penis into her body

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Where to begin…

If you had sex with a girl and she had more than the legal driving limit BAC then you raped her, according to 3rd wave feminists. Whether she reported it or not is irrelevant. You are a rapist.

Also, the fact that you have had sex with women and not falsely accused of rape doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen anywhere. It just means it hasn’t happened to you.

I think what Douche V is trying to say is that women seem to bear no responsibility for anything having to do with rape insomuch as they do things that will blatantly put themselves in danger and still get to play the victim card to full effect.

If I walk down an alley in the poorest part of town with $100 bills taped to my jacket and I get robbed, it is clearly immoral that I was robbed, a law was broken and I was a victim of the robbery. I am also stupid for placing myself in that situation.

That is not to say I deserved to get robbed or that women ever deserve to be raped, they don’t. It is to say that as a person you always bear responsibility for your own safety and should always take steps to lessen your exposure to bad things happening because there will always be people who just don’t care about the law and can’t control their impulses. We refer to them as criminals. They will rob you if you give them a reasonable chance and they will rape you if you give them a reasonable chance. It’s up to you to not give them that chance.

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If you can’t get what feminists say then don’t talk about what feminists mean. Rape is when a girl DIDN’T WANT IT and wasn’t able to express it while been used against her will. If she wants it, she won’t report it.
Jeez, it’s so simple but some men just plug their ears when consent is being explained.

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Part of the problem is feminists say a lot of different things.

Your definition might suffice for some, but there is an abundance of feminist literature that states that if a woman is legally intoxicated (too drunk to drive) she cannot give consent. At the point of being too drunk to drive, she is going to be feeling fine and may very well say yes, but the literature is quite explicit when it says that even if she says yes, she cannot give consent because she is drunk.

Curiously, she would be held accountable for her actions had she gotten behind the wheel and been in an accident in that state.

Feminists cannot create a consensus among themselves.

But even your definition has some pretty serious pitfalls.

How are you defining “unable to express it”? If she verbally says yes because she feels kind of guilty about the fabulously expensive date she just had but really feels no, is that rape? If so, how is a man to make that determination? What if she was on the fence at the time? If she cannot express that she doesn’t want it because at the time, she isn’t sure she doesn’t but after the fact realizes she didn’t want it; is that rape?

Daniel Tosh put it best (forgive me, Daniel, if I don’t get the bit 100% verbatim):

“There’s no excuse for domestic violence.” It sounds like a challenge. I mean, does everything have to be so black-and-white in this kindergarten country of ours? What if you come home from a long day at work and your wife has drowned two of your kids – she’s about to dunk the third one. Can you run over and pop her then? “Unfortunately no, there’s no excuse. You’re going to have to let her drown that third one.” What if you are watching the game and she makes you a sandwich, but puts way too much mayo on it and not enough cheese. Can you hit her then? All I am saying is that there is a grey area.

Even rape has grey areas. Some things are obviously rape. Some are not. Some depend on what level of feminism you subscribe to.

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GETTING RAPED isn’t a crime; mowing people down while drunk is.
Would you blame a drunk person getting run over while crossing the street instead of the driver?

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How’s about you just not have sex if you’re not sure the woman is sober enough? That way everyone wins.

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Rediculous comparison everyone would agree that physically intervening in a child murder is acceptable. Hitting someone for making an imperfect sandwich is not. Rape doesn’t have grey areas. If women consent they consent even if they are doing so out of guilt. It’s not consent if done out of coercion . You seem to not to be able to understand logic. Women aren’t reporting rape because they regret their choices. They do so when they were coerced. She may regret her choice but she chose it. Stop being a fucking whiner. if you don’t understand concent then stop trying to have sex with Women. It sounds way over your head

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The problem would lie in your definition of coercion. If I lay a guilt trip on you and you decide to give in and have sex with me, that is a former of coercion. But it is also your choice.

Many 3rd wave feminists would say that consent given out of guilt is not consent and the resulting sex would be rape.

You seem to be unaware that our positions are not that far off from each other.

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Rape doesn’t have grey areas. If women consent they consent even if they are doing so out of guilt. It’s not consent if done out of coercion .

Make sure to have two lawyers every bedroom so they can testify that you have indeed given written consent to being fondled.

Authoritarian zombies like you are not good at understandig anything about human life.

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except of course you are trying to hold her responsible for the actions of the man raping her.

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No. She is responsible to take reasonable steps to ensure her own safety. A criminal is responsible for their own crime.

The grey area is in how you are defining the crime itself. The definition put forth by many 3rd wave feminists tries to absolve women of all responsibility for their actions.

That isn’t to say a woman is responsible for getting raped, but in terms of the example I cited earlier, if a woman has a few drinks and is fully coherent, but intoxicated by legal driving standards, and agrees to have sex, she is responsible for giving that consent. Calling it rape after the fact by invoking an “I was drinking” defense is not reasonable and the act should not be defined as rape. 3rd wave feminists would generally disagree.

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Women are responsible for rape, if they rape someone. It’s pretty simple.

If you’re going to use the stupid “vaginas are like money and can therefore be taken” analogy then let’s go with it: mugging/theft is now legal in the “bad part of town.” so if you walk through and get mugged, you’re sol. Is that a good solution to stop people from getting mugged?

OR, should the law protect our persons and property no matter where we are?

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You should go back and re-read what I wrote.

The law already protects you from being robbed or raped. However, much like you should take reasonable proactive steps to protect yourself from getting mugged , you should also take reasonable proactive steps to protect yourself from getting raped.

The law only works to hold offenders responsible after the fact. Taking steps to protect yourself is an effort at prevention as it is far better to not get raped or mugged, than getting raped or mugged and sending the guilty party to jail.

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If you really think you need to tell women to try and protect themselves from rape as though they don’t already, you’re living in an alternate universe.
The problem is that all these precautions DON’T WORK.
And that’s partly because some of them aren’t even accurate.
Rapists have reported that they target women with long hair but not women in short skirts. So how come women are constantly told to cover up, but never told to get a buzz cut which makes them harder to grab by the head and thus ACTUALLY SAFER?
Is it because society is more concerned with maintaining conventional beauty standards than women’s safety?
Most of the advice given to women isn’t geared at making women safe from rape. it’s geared at making women RESPONSIBLE when the rape occurs.

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Well then let’s use that logic. If a woman falsely accused you of rape the. It must be your fault because you didn’t do enough to protect yourself from the false accusation clearly. You didn’t chose a safe woman to spend time with. You didn’t take the time to asses her character before putting yourself in harms way by being alone with her. Clearly you men need to consider your conduct better and take more responsibility for not protecting yourself from dangerous women who cry rape. Why did t you take your security more seriously? We’re you asking to have a false rape charge brought against you? We’re you not clear enough about your intention not to rape?

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Yes! Now you are getting it.

So, if I am making my moves and she is saying no no no, but I misinterpret that and think she is still into it but playing a game, I am an idiot and leave myself open to being accused of rape.

When the details of that come out, how she said no on 6 different occasions and still I continued, then I will be judged accordingly because the signs were there but I was too stupid to read/accept something as overt as ‘no’. That’s my fault and I committed a crime.

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It must be your fault because you didn’t do enough to protect yourself from the false accusation clearly.

The word “reasonable” must be untranslatable to femenist-speak.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/10/14/rethink-harvard-sexual-harassment-policy/HFDDiZN7nU2UwuUuWMnqbM/story.html
Also, femenists already use this kind of reasoning, so there’s your psychological projection again.

Hence why today’s youth is giving up on women. Hysteria is not something they want in their lives.

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A woman’s body, isn’t a $100 dollar bill.
You can leave your money at home or in the bank. When a woman can do the same with her genitals, get back to me, till then, your example makes no sense.

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Why be so obtuse? You give the appearance of not understanding the concept of having any personal responsibility for one’s own safety whatsoever.

There will always be people who, regardless of what you do, will commit crimes. Rape is included in that. It doesn’t matter what you say or do to them, they are going to do what they are going to do. That is why we have prisons.

It is in your best interests to take steps to reduce your risk of being affected by those people. If you do something that increases the likelihood that something happens to you then you are irresponsible.

For example, if you were to go out drinking , get all flirty and go back to Rooshv’s house at 3am, you are acting irresponsibly. You have been to his site, he is practically a Rapemaster 5000 machine. Does it absolve him of anything if he raped you? No, of course not but you are stupid to place yourself in that situation in the first place.

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So if a woman dates a guy and they’ve gone out 4 times and he asks her if she wants to come back to his place and watch a movie and have a drink, she feels she knows him well enough to do that, you’re saying she is stupid for trusting him and going back to his place for movies after 4 previous dates? I think the fault is on the guy if he takes advantage of that and rapes her and the woman was an innocent victim. who shares no blame for trusting her date.

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What you describe is a messy grey area. If he is inviting her to his place for a movie and drinks she has to prepare herself for at least the possibility of him asking for sex and if she is not open to that at all, it’s pretty dumb to go there instead of somewhere public.

If she goes and he ends up raping her, she is still the victim. Doing stupid things doesn’t make it OK for someone to commit a crime against you. However people will judge you based on the level of care you took to ensure your own safety.

If she had no intention of having sex with him and decided to show up to his house wearing a skin tight dress that barely reached from button to boobs and thigh high stockings then she is an idiot. If she does that and gets raped, she is still an idiot for not being reasonably responsible for her own safety but also a victim of a crime.

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why does what she is wearing have any influence on whether she is raped or not if she does not want sex. seriously what is it with men and their idea that a woman’s clothing choice makes it ok to rape her? by that method if someone sees the outline of your wallet they should be allowed to rob you

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I do not think that rapists think what they are doing is OK. Otherwise they would be doing more of it and in more obvious places.

It becomes a question of impulses. Avoid displaying things that criminals might want and you lessen your chances of having them try to take it from you.

At no point anywhere have I said, suggested or hinted that someone should be allowed to rape or rob you. Re-read where you think I said that.

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Are you really that obtuse that you don’t think women are acutely aware of how much they are at risk of being raped? Yet we still want to,live our lives and spend time with people we know. Good friend of mine was raped during a chess tournament. Should she not have competed? Should that girl raped at a school near me not have gone to school. You don’t understand the innocent situations many women are raped in.

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No, Caroline, I do understand. You have read enough of my comments as you stalked me through this comment section to understand what I am saying.

There are behaviors and activities that potentially make you more likely to be raped. Avoid placing yourself in those situations. If you do not, be prepared for people to judge your actions accordingly.

On the face of it, your friend at the chess tournament would garner a lot of sympathy because typically chess tournaments are not very rapey. If it was an all-night strip chess tournament hosted by a bar in the worst part of town, she would have gotten less sympathy, even though both times she would have been the victim of rape.

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wrong! a woman should be able to walk down the street drunk and naked and not expect some creep to crawl out of the gutter and put his hands on her body without her permission. the fact that you don’t get this is beyond stupid. the fact that you think that a woman should be alone with a guy and not expect sex is just sad and again stupid. just because you want sex does not mean she has to give it to you because she is alone with you, any more than you would expect her to bash your brains out with an axe for the same reason.

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I don’t think you quite get it.
Do you actually think the world is a safe, peaceful place… where nothing bad ever happens?
Your statement might ring true if this were the case but it’s not. Bad people exist, and guess what, they do bad things.
Rape is one of them.
It’s very naive to think along the lines of “It’s safe to get smash drunk and walk down the street naked” – it’s not safe (or smart) for anyone, regardless of being a man or a woman. So no, you “shouldn’t” be allowed to do that – not if it’s in the interest of your safety and wellbeing. Aside from the fact it’s being a public nuisance and indecent exposure.
Take out the raging feminist propaganda and try using rational logic instead to assess the arguments and you’ll see how ludicrous those kind of statements sound. One might say, beyond stupid.

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Wow Judy, that’s pretty retarded.

Where you went wrong is using the word ‘should’. She should be able to walk down the street drunk and naked and nothing happens to her, just like I should be able to leave my life savings on my front lawn and have no one take it. She shouldn’t get raped. I shouldn’t get robbed.

However, the world we live in is populated by a certain percentage of people who don’t give a shot what should be.

The person who might not be inclined to break into my house and take my life savings may be inclined to take it if it is easy to access and no one to stop them. It would still be a crime but I obviously should be taking better care of my money.

The same could be said of a woman walking the streets drunk and naked. She shouldn’t get raped, but understanding that there are men out there that would take advantage of that makes the act of walking down the street drunk and naked seem pretty irresponsible and flat out stupid.

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But you don’t bear the responsibility of getting robbed. That’s the point. The responsibility is on the perpetrator. This man, Roosh, if he even deserves to be called a man, is suggesting that a women even entering a room on private property is reason enough to rape her. If she was “responsible” she would sit in her locked house and keep all men away. He compares her protecting herself like she would protect her phone or her purse, but neglects to realize that if you get your phone stolen on private property, it’s still THEFT. It’s not legal to take someone’s shit if they’re drunk at your house. It’s not legal to have sex with someone without their consent, and if you have any doubt as to their sobriety or their consent, it is your responsibility to NOT HAVE SEX with them.

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In case there is any confusion – I think Roosh is anot idiot using internet to turns shocking views into an income. Total sham.

That being said, women have a few drinks verbally consent to secure and then claim it was rape because they had a few drinks. Being legally intoxicated doesn’t absolve you of your actions if you are driving and doesn’t absolve you of your actions if you give someone consent to have sex. My god, if that were the case and the guy had been drinking then it would be a double rape.

How do you think it would play out if men started reporting being raped because they had sec while legally intoxicated and we’re unable to give consent?

Now if you are passed out because you drank too much, there is no circumstance that should allow sex to legally take place, even if consent was previously given. There should always be an avenue to withdraw consent.

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You are not stating fact. Very few rape accusations are false. The assertion you are making that women claim rape because they had a few beers is not what is happening and is in no way representative of reality. It just isn’t. 70% of rapes aren’t being reported. Of the 30% that are less than 3% of those are false. Of all the rapes happening less than 3% of rapists do a day in jail. The overwhelming majority of rapes that are reported are being charged with lesser crimes like simple assault. You are not in touch with the realities of rape. Women commenting to sex and then charging with rape because they regret the sex is happening to a statistically INSIGNIFICANT number of times yet it is all you are focusing on. Try to look at the actual numbers and facts. Grow the fuck up. The average serial rapist will rape 300 times over the course of a lifetime. This is a huge problem for women and you are trivializing it. You are focusing on a statically insignificant event. Stop justifying rape.

Breech
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Follow the actual discussion Caroline, not the one going on in your head.

Caroline Carlson
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Sorry if using numbers and big words confused you. There are many online dictionaries which can help you. I also recommend your local,library. Many hold literacy classes that are free. Best of luck increasing your reading comprehension.

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for the actual discussion you are claiming that the woman is responsible because a guy rapes her, you are victim blaming. you are saying that she is responsible for his actins as well as hers/ when she is driving she is at fault when she is being raped HE is at fault so stop with those two comparisonsit snot only wrong to do its just stupid

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No. No. No.

Quote for me the words where I say she is responsible for her actions.

Seriously, stop responding to arguments you think I am making, respond to what I am actually saying.

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Women get no perks for ” playing the victim card” women get retaliation. Women clearly are stupid for putting themselves in the company of any men according to,you. Women should be able to be in the company of men they know without fear of rape. What you are saying is that women need to be ready to be attacked by every single man they know whether it’s a friend , family member, employer, professor, neighborhood cop or whatever. What you are saying is that all men will rape given the opportunity. When does rape get to be about men’s behavior and not women’s. All this talk of women taking responsibility and not one fucking word about men taking responsibility . Grow the fuck up. Most rape is the result of me. Known to the victim where a sense of trust should be expected. Stop defending me. As being incapable of not raping.

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Why is nearly everything in your argument an absolute to the point of ridiculousness? At what point did i say all men will rape given the opportunity? Nothing in my argument is an absolute. You need to calm down if you actually want to have a rational discussion.

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Your focus on discussing rape is to blame women for not being careful enough. That seems to be your argument. The epitome of rediculous. Your only response to my pointing our your victim blaming is tone policing. What you are admitting is that rape is common. Men blame women for their rapes occurring and the the fact that men rape is so obvious they should be aware of this fact everytime they are in male company. That is exactly what you said in your previous comment. If your only response is to tone police and back peddle why don’t you save us both time and shut up. No useful response from you. Victim blaming isn’t a unique and new response. It’s as old as time. Women are sick of your victim blaming. Go away.

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No, Caroline, I am saying that women need to be careful. They have a responsibility to protect themselves as best they can. When they don’t, public opinion will shift and rightfully so.

Take 2 examples: Bill Cosby and Jian Ghomeshi. Both public figures accused of sexual assault.

The first accuser coming up for Cosby describes how he drugged her into a state of partial consciousness and raped her. No one expects the world famous actor in his 60’spare to be slipping you drugs and raping you. Lots of sympathy there for her.

The first accuser in the Ghomeshi trial said he pulled her hair while making out on a date and it hurt. A few days later on a different date, she went to his house where they started making out again and her pulled her hair again and hit her in the head. Only problem is she keeps sending him emails, flirting with him, asking him to call her and sends a pic of herself in a bikini to him.

Is what Ghomeshi did serial assault? You can certainly make the argument. You can even say she was willing to forgive the first incident as something he thought she might like but didn’t. She appeared to be interested in sex when they were making out in his home, up until he started doing things she did not sign up for and she left. Good for her! Better safe than sorry at that point.

Except, she kept communicating with him and flirting with him. Her public sympathy dried up when that detail came out. Why? Because that is totally irresponsible behavior on her part.

You are fixated on me blaming the victim. I am not. But SOME victims are idiots who place themselves in bad situations and I have less sympathy for that than your chess club friend.

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No, you are making the woman responsible for the actions of the man. women should not have to be wary in the presence of any man. they should not expect to be raped but you are insisting we mustyou are saying that women are asking to be raped for daring to leave the house if there are men on the street

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No Judy. You are staying that, not me.

I am saying that regardless of anything else, a woman needs to take reasonable proactive steps to ensure her own safety, just like anyone else anywhere in society doing anything. That something shouldn’t happen is not an absolution for not taking steps to protect yourself.

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Pure awesomeness right here.

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I’m a 30 yr old girl and I agree with the 12th unknown. I have known several girls who pull the he raped me after drunkenly cheating. I have known guys accuse of “forcing their will upon chicks who were drunk” both I know to be untrue in the circumstances but a good way to get out if it and save face if youre caught cheating. I’m tired of feminists shoving their “equality” bullshit down my throat. It’s not equality because nobody cares about protecting men’s rights. Women often treat men as pieces of meat “eye candy” grab their asses make unwanted advances but God forbid the table be turned. If a guy woke up the next morning and went oh god what did I do! She raped me nobody would believe it and laugh at him, yet he did not form consent. My parents taught me to respect myself and my body and don’t put myself in questionable company.

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Your parents lied to you if you think self respect is going to protect you from criminals.
Avoiding rape is mostly luck
( Self defence classes may help, but again, no one’s suggesting mandatory self defence for women…I wonder why?)
Women get raped by intruders climbing into their window at night and this lowlife would make that LEGAL.
This is what you’re defending?

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Stop picking up married women! I don’t know of any case where this happened and I know the people I ran around with were having lots of sex.

Caroline Carlson
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Try being a woman and not a girl. When women are charged with raping teen boys and men they end up getting twice the sentence of the average male raping a teen. Men’s rights are well protected. As a result less than 3% of rapists do a day in jail. Men’s rights are well protected. When you grow up and stop calling yourself a girl we will take you more seriously

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Way to be judgemental of your sisters who haven’t had your luck. A good friend of mine was raped during a chess tournament . Was she in questionable company? One friend raped during a church retreat. Was that questionable company? Another raped in the hospital after surgery . Was that questionable company? What about a friend raped by a teacher at an expensive private school. Bad choice for her to attend. You are trying to make yourself feel safe by telling yourself only ” bad women ” get raped. You aren’t safe with that assumption.

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how a bout the 9 year old who was gang raped while walking in the field near her house? did she do something to deserve that? How about Victoria Stafford? did she deserve to be raped and murdered after being taken from the school yard? was she asking for it?

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Consider yourself in the situation whereby you had consensual sex with a woman who was drunk or stoned, because you said that you’re capable of deciding if the woman is either tipsy or drugged out of their mind; at the time you considered that she was capable of making that decision. How, then, would you feel if the following morning the woman regrets her actions and decides to accuse you of raping her and taking advantage of her drunken disposition regardless of how little she’d consumed?

I’m in no way agreeing with the original poster but in the UK we are hearing more and more reports such as these, and one has to wonder whether the woman is genuine or not.

In my youth, this scenario was played out many times after I was picked up by a girl in a nightclub. I was always sober as I was usually driving but invariably the woman was pissed; clearly she must have been to make advances toward me!

It fills me with fear that on any of those occasions I could have been accused of rape just because of morning-after remorse!

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If you’re sober and routinely having sex with drunk, stoned women or men, odds are good that you’ve had sex with someone who was not self aware enough to consent.
I would avoid such risks in the future. if I were you.

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You are focusing on a statistically insignificant rape accusation. Rare that such a thing would happen. Seriously rare. Stop,having sex with drunk women. If they aren’t sober enough to consent then you are rapinfg her. If you are worried about it then you shouldn’t be doing it.

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tsk tsk…racism…

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Well, that theory sucks, because someone invaded my home and raped ME. I assure you, that experience was non-consensual in any way.

judyt00
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Me too and my children were in my bed with me at the time

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Thank you! I’ll probably be kicked out now put thanks for putting this stupid article into place.

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But the argument being presented today isn’t that sex with an unconscious woman is rape, it is that consensual sex with a conscious woman is rape if she has had ANYTHING TO DRINK. Like you said yourself, you have done the same MANY times, so you should see the absurdity of considering that rape, but that is in fact what is being taught in high schools and colleges now. This is an attack on the human right to be secure from being falsely convicted of a crime. Roosh’s piece is a satirical exercise in inverting the above logic in order to illustrate this absurdity. He says rape is wrong about 20 times in the piece, but still you don’t want to admit that advocating the legalization of rape is satirical. Seems like intellectual dwarfism to me.

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and I’ve been intimate with countless broads,<<< theres that respect for ya,,, hookers dont count.

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Neither do inflatable women count.

judyt00
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hookers count if they don’t consent

Bunny Lefluf
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if a hooker goes with a guy.. shes pretty consenting.

judyt00
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but when the guy grabs her off the street and beats her and forces her , its rape whether she is a hooker or not, see, SHE gets to say who she has sex with. that is the part you fucktards don’t get. SHE must consent, and that roosh guy doesn’t get consent or ask for it and most of his followers don’t either. you all think “cock or walk” is consent when you take a woman out into the middle of nowhere and demand sex. and that is rape as well.

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“Broads”. Your confession is noted.

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Dames, dolls, babes, girls, etc.

Your manginaesque faggotry is noted.

Cpt_Justice
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You didn’t need to prove that you are a homophobic bigot as well as a sexist one; that much self-loathing was obvious by your other posts.

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Dude,you’re totally gay.

lady_black
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Is there something wrong with being gay?

dan
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Yes, the sexual orientation

lady_black
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What’s wrong with it? How does it affect you?

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It’s a problem because it’s against God’s will period! If homosexuality is acceptable then so is prostututiom, adultery, glutney, ect…… It only affects straight people when the gay community insist on forcing us people to support their choice. I personally don’t have anything against gay people but I don’t agree with the lifestyle that’s all.

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I didn’t ask for your approval when I got married, and neither will a gay person. Your approval simply isn’t needed by anyone.
And stick your “god” where the sun don’t shine. I don’t have to bow to your god.

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