Note: The following article was published as a satirical thought experiment.
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I keep reading in the mainstream media that there is a rape culture in the United States. This issue concerns me since I have a sister who I don’t want to be raped, so I carefully examined the articles on Salon, Buzzfeed, and Huffington Post that were written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium.
What I’ve gathered from the words of these future Pulitzer Prize winners is that women are not getting raped by violent offenders while taking a jog in the park or walking through a dark street—they are getting raped by men they already know, especially at college. I learned that if a man and a woman both drink at a party and have sex, she was in all likelihood raped since she could not give full legal consent. This made me confused because a woman who drinks and has sex is not responsible for her actions, but if that same woman gets into a car and drives it into someone else, causing a loss of life, she would be prosecuted and sent to jail. I couldn’t find an explanation for this inconsistency.
I also read that men must be taught not to rape, which means that they are all born with the capability to rape and have zero instinct to know that taking a woman with violence is improper. Thankfully, a man only has to be told the phrase “rape is bad” at some point after puberty by an overweight feminist to definitively stop his future brutal and bloody rape career. It’s a miracle that more men have not raped their mothers, babysitters, and sisters before being taught in college that rape is actually not a good thing.
I knew from an early age that rape was bad, as was all forms of violence, not just against women but men as well. I also knew that killing, stealing, and having sexual interest in relatives was bad. I don’t remember if someone specifically taught me these rules, but I also don’t remember being taught that the sun rises and sets once a day, or that I will go splat if I jump off a tall building. I don’t know of a single man entering adulthood who thought that rape was good and had to be manually taught it was bad in order to stop him from raping, so when journalists and cultural commentators suggest that the best way to defeat rape culture is to teach men not to rape, I couldn’t possibly agree. I saw a different set of problems instead.
I saw women wholly unconcerned with their own safety and the character of men they developed intimate relationships with. I saw women who voluntarily numbed themselves with alcohol and other drugs in social settings before letting the direction of the night’s wind determine who they would follow into a private room. I saw women who, once feeling awkward, sad, or guilty for a sexual encounter they didn’t fully remember, call upon an authority figure to resolve the problem by locking up her previous night’s lover in prison or ejecting him from school.
By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, we don’t hesitate to blame men for bad things that happen to them (if right now you walked into a dangerous ghetto and got robbed, you would be called an idiot and no one would say “teach ghetto kids not to steal”). It was obvious to me that the advice of our esteemed establishment writers and critics wasn’t stopping the problem, and since rape was already on the law books with severe penalties, additional laws or flyers posted on dormitory doors won’t stop this rape culture either.
I thought about this problem and am sure I have the solution: make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds.
The exception for public rape is aimed at those seedy and deranged men who randomly select their rape victims on alleys and jogging trails, but not as a mechanism to prevent those rapes, since the verdict is still out if punishment stops a committed criminal mind, but to have a way to keep them off the streets. For all other rapes, however, especially if done in a dwelling or on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.
If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone. If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can’t resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she’ll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around. If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn’t want to sleep with. After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied.
Without daddy government to protect her, a girl would absolutely not enter a private room with a man she doesn’t know or trust unless she is absolutely sure she is ready to sleep with him. Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex. Bad encounters are sure to occur, but these can be learning experiences for the poorly trained woman so she can better identify in the future the type of good man who will treat her like the delicate flower that she believes she is. After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours—perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.
The benefits of eradicating rape laws would extend to honest men who unfortunately now live in fear over imprisonment in the case the girl they had sex with had a blood alcohol level of 0.04 instead of 0.05 or some other arbitrary, untested, and made-up value that may imply consent was not fully achieved. There is no more having to guess the interpretation of a woman’s mixed signals or to artificially amp up her base emotions with clownish banter. Because women will never enter a man’s apartment without accepting that sex will happen, he can escort her to his bedroom and romantically consummate a relationship after it was certain he proved himself to be a good and decent man the woman fully trusted. My proposal eliminates anxiety and unfair persecution for men while empowering women to make adult decisions about their bodies.
It turns out that we don’t need more laws, policies, and university propaganda that treat every man like a criminal and every woman like a mild retardate—we need more common sense that can only come from making rape legal. Such a change will provide a mature jolt to American women who have been babied for too long, who are protected and coddled as if they have no agency or intellect of their own. If a woman is indeed a child then maybe we really need to keep promoting “rape culture” as a way to keep them safe, but if they are actual adults, which is often claimed, then we can start treating them like adults by allowing them to take responsibility for the things that happen to them which are easily preventable with barely a strain of cognitive thought, awareness, and self control.
Let’s make rape legal. Less women will be raped because they won’t voluntarily drug themselves with booze and follow a strange man into a bedroom, and less men will be unfairly jailed for what was anything but a maniacal alley rape. Until then, this devastating rape culture will continue, and women who we treat as children will continue to act like children.
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Postscript: You should not trust the media when it comes to reporting on my rape articles. They share mostly lies with a sprinkling of truth. Here is a small sample:
- This Is What It’s Like to Spend an Hour With “Neomasculinity” Blogger Daryush “Roosh” Valizadeh
- Anti-feminism blogger Daryush Valizadeh of ‘Return of Kings’ asks followers to post journalists’ details
- Did Daryush Valizadeh really organize “pro-rape rallies”? No, but here’s why people are protesting him
- Cockblocked by Redistribution: A Pick-up Artist in Denmark
- Huffington Post archive on Daryush “Roosh” Valizadeh
If you want the real story, you should read my official bio, my Wikipedia page, or the unofficial resource of my work at DaryushValizadeh.com.
You’ve obviously acquainted yourself with Jonathan Swift. Well done.
Agreed; make this longer and call it “An Immodest Proposal” (see what I did there?)
And brace for epic shitstorm and outcry.
You called it
I was gong to comment that it’s like “A Modest Proposal,” but serious.
Its like “A Modest Proposal” if “A Modest Proposal” was written about how terribly oppressed the English were by the Irish wanting the English to stop keeping them oppressed, persecuted, harassed, and in dire poverty.
Johnathan Swift was trying to make a point and didnt believe children should be eaten,. this guy believes what he is saying.
Ahh… does he believe what he’s saying? Obviously he doesn’t believe anyone is going to make rape legal on private property.
Anyway, criminal laws are never perfectly applied, and there must be a bungload of young men getting aids in prison because women used them unfairly.
When the masses don’t see a solution to a problem, they ignore the problem… or they riot. I suppose I should be glad you guys are just posting shit online.
It is satirical in the sense that Roosh is satirizing how feminists prioritize rape above anything else. In essence Roosh is saying he doesn’t prioritize preventing rape above very other single value, but if he did, this is what he would do. Of course to falls apart because what he proposes would not decrease rape.
Why do you think this is satirical? Look at his entire blog. This loser actually believes this shit. Part of the whole men’s rights bullshit movement. As if men have some ‘right’ to sex. if you can’t get laid, YOU’RE THE FUCKING PROBLEM.
Say that the the feminists who can’t get sex.
Do you have any idea how easy it is for women to get sex? Fat thin old young sex is always available for women. Feminists even! I laugh at the Mgtow men saying they will leave women alone and then we will really suffer. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass as you’re leaving asshole. We women are doing fine without you and it isn’t going to slow down our game one bit.
Yes, you are right! For a women it is very easy to get sex, evrytime, when she want it! It doesn’t a matter if she is young, old, fat or thin, or has handycape! Men doesn’t ask for this! IMPORTANT for mmen is to put their cock inside and give all! It is nature! But you WOMEN MAKE US MEN CRY! YOU MAKE THE DIFFERENT! YOU ARE THE BADs, not we! Think about it, how often you haven’t give a man a Chance to come intim with you!?! And how have have you say NO and broke someones heart, and not just the hearts of stupid men, also hearts of really nice men, who would be do everything for you? And? How often? And than you wondering, that men came to this idea???
My obligation is to be honest not to be responsible for a man’s feelings. I’m not required to be available to make men happy. Not my responsibility to care for men. Only necessary for me to be honest with what I want and what I don’t. Women don’t exist for men’s pleasure or happiness. We have our own lives and desires. I can say no if I want. Why is it women’s job to make you happy? Grow up child.
I am not a child! I am over 40 years old and I think, you didn’t understand me right! Look at the nature! the animals – a MAN OF ANIMALS fuck everything what has a vagina! A DOG-father also will fuck his daughter, if he can! the nature logic says that man and woman have to fuck, to have sex to get more of them! SORRY, for my bad english! And you, all the peoples, the humans make a Sport of the theme sex, and now we have the Problem!!!
You mentioned ‘nature’ and you mentioned ‘logic’
Which science are you pointing to?
I hope you realize that people are governed by both.
No I understood you. You are an emotional child who can’t deal with rejection. Grow the fuck up.
Bitch STFU. If women stopped being too picky and cunt like, men wouldn’t have to play games with women, and they wouldn’t have to go through the hoops, and PUA’s. Sex is arguably more enjoyable for women, and easier for women to get. But a man is a pig if he only cares about sex, when a woman is “independent” and “free thinking” if she wastes men’s time and make her buy food.
In the old days, men bought the dinner, opened the doors, worked all day, and he got a free BJ from his wife when ever he wanted it. She also cleaned the house and took care of the kids when he was at the office or in the factory. Now that this shit with women in careers with men, the whole family structure has gone ass backwards and now you have raped, mgtow, feminists, abusive men and women. All the result of decades of degradation in society from one sperm cell to the next.
Wow! Somebody is angry it’s not the 1950s, lol:
“In the old days, men bought the dinner, opened the doors, worked all day, and he got a free BJ from his wife when ever he wanted it. She also cleaned the house and took care of the kids whe n he was at the office or in the factory”
I love to spectator watch white males and white females fight about which gender gets to dominate each other. Because the above mythical romanticism of the 1950s (in America) sure didn’t apply to most non-white males and females, not even some chocolate-versions, lol.
“All the result of decades of degradation in society from one sperm cell to the next.”
Wow! I’m so glad my sperm is “black” versus “white” … oh, wait, my sperm is creamy-white … OMG, I’m a dinosaur white male in chocolate melanin skin. Yikes!
This mythical romanticism of the 1950s didn’t even exist for whites. A huge percentage of American wives had to take sedatives daily to deal with the depression that came with being restricted to the whims of men after having freedom during ww2. The war years were very very hard and women worked very hard in factories and businesses because the men were gone in the war. The hard years were preferable though because it came with freedom they didn’t have before. They were free to run their households how the wanted. When they had to return to being controlled by men they resorted to taking drugs en masse.
… hence the emergence and overlap of 1st and 2nd wave feminism and emergence and overlap of 2nd and 3rd wave feminism … still waiting on the emergence of 4th wave … Yeah!
It’s happening now, all across the internet – we’d be glad to have you two along!
LOL! Woe are women for not needing to work, for living on war free soil and dozens of products to do your household duties with ease. Woe are women for being able to stay home and take care of their kids instead of earn money and pay another woman to take care of them. Woe are women for controlling 70-80% of the consumer spending.
Not needing to work? We’re working our butts off, whether single or in a relationship, usually in the latter case taking on most of the housework and childcare as well as holding down a permanent full-time position, one that doesn’t respect or value us as much as if we were male and consequentially pays us less and promotes less often.
Oh lord, please continue on with your sob story.
You morons have quota hires and Affirmative Action working for your ass around the clock for over the past three decades. Maybe you aren’t valued as much, because 1) you’re inferior in capability to other workers 2) employers understand that you don’t have great long-term loyalty to their company due to likely leaving for maternity leave 3) Due to said maternity leave, you will have less experience over said career 4) Most women don’t exactly go into careers that are very high in demand (thus, high in value) in the first place.
Instead of blaming everything on the institution (especially the very institution that has inflated women’s employment rates far past what it should be) and the non-existent “patriarchy”, maybe you should take an objective view at yourself.
And only sex workers gave blowjobs.
Oh no, the women actually had to go out and do work!?!?!? How sexist! (sarcasm)
Women had all the freedom they had then, many were fucking the mail and/or milk man while their husband was slaving himself out in a grueling 50-60 hour, manual labor work week.
You can fuck right off with the white men and women bullshit. This affects all races, its a matter of gender not race. I don’t see how the fuck you expect to get anywhere in life thinking you’re above issues because they are contained to one race.
“its a matter of gender not race.”
Yelled by someone whom has never been a slave, experienced Jim Crow Segregation, experienced any racism subsequent, or walked and lived in the melanin-shoes of a cis black female, or lesbian black female, or bisexual black female, or trans black human being, or any human being non-white, dark-skin, and especially poor! Yep, for YOU it’s a matter of colorblind gender, as if human beings are only 1-attribute or all females are only one-attribute. So, yep, I would definitely suggest YOU take your own advise and hope you’re not “black” when you get screwed. But then I didn’t see you back in the 60s when I grew up defending all them black females you think shared the equivalent or comparable reality as all those racist whites, male and female. Enjoy your fantasy about the past!
so, you’ve been a slave????Why do I doubt that. and sorry to burst your bubble there sonny-boy but women were as much slaves as black men. up until the 1970s women had to have their father’s permission to attend college, get a job other than menial tasks or get married.
Yep, black males and females and white males and females lived equivalent lives from what month, day, and year in this reality, LOL.
STOP pretending to be female or for that matter human … you’re busted E.T., your ignorance of human history is X-Files, LOL.
you are so uneducated and ignoant of reality its sad. YOU were never a slave so stop pulling that card its tiresome
what happens if the person you’re talking about is any of the above, but not black?
i’ve been all of the above, and my ancestors were similar, though not black. the irish and the jews were subject to all of the above, and i’m gay/lesbian. i’ve never been able to fit in anywhere, but i’ve always tried to bring people together.
here’s my thing: what if we all focused on what we’ve got in common. what if we realised we’re all in this together. we’re all pretty cool. let’s celebrate each other.
i can’t tell my family about myself, but i can tell you. how cool is that?
I agree, what if we all focused on what we have in common, namely our universal identity of human.
But, alas, from 1776 to present, too many with hegemonic power focus primarily on attribute-privilege.
So, to evolve into “what can be” we must first soberly recognize and acknowledge “what is” versus pretend it doesn’t exist.
A complex solution cannot precede a complex diagnoses:)
it doesn’t seem that you’re working on the outcome, however. you’re working from the preconception… the hegemonic do not absolutely determine the privilege. that makes me dispute your last statement: “A complex solution cannot precede a complex diagnoses:)” also, diagnosis is the singular ;).
Abstract gibberish.
In the real complex world … hegemonic means oligarchy … all else is a delusion. However, the non-hegemonic can rebel … which means substituting one group of oligarchs with another.
I also agree, there are no absolutes, only the open-ended:)
Please Sir, We are all aware of the horrible parts of US history. Every country has dark pasts and many still do and are a living hell, so I am so thankful to live in the US. Please don’t live in the past. Believe me, it only causes more pain, bitterness, etc, to you and takes away your energy for other things. I speak from experience. Life is short, make it worthwhile. Just be happy with your family and enjoy your traditions. Look to the future. I like everyone I meet, just one of those types of people, and I do care.
You think I live in the past? Why? It’s March 2016. What Month, Day, Year do you imagine I live in, LOL?
Cry me a river
Remember that when you’re on the receiving end … don’t cry!
The article is about rape, so this is a gender issue.
Issues aren’t compartmentalized to one attribute because humans don’t have only 1-attribute — it’s called “intersectionality” … but then you wouldn’t know about that cultural analysis framework based on your contradictory statement … “it’s a matter of gender not race” … sure, tell that to the 121 million Minority Americans with more than 1-attribute in addition to gender:)
Yes, there are many similar social issues related to access, to equal opportunity that we find in the ethic minority community and the community of women in a male dominated — white cis male dominated — society
BUT THIS IS STILL ABOUT GENDER. The argument by this group is the behaviors that are generally associated with the male sex (genetic) due to the gender (hormonal and societal) is being marginalized.
#yourfeminismisbasic
No, it’s about multiple identities, not 1-identity.
Humans don’t live in an abstract world, where our identities operate separately, where we see and relate based on 1-identity.
So YES in your fictional abstract world it’s about 1-attribute, gender only. But NO in the real world it’s about all identities, including gender.
The argument by “this group” doesn’t dictate the scope and details of everyone’s reality, though perhaps their myopic understanding of human reality.
Perhaps “that group” cannot distinquish between abstract compartmentalized myopic discussion (which doesn’t speak to any human reality) and complex abstract discussion (which speaks to human reality including gender relations).
#OUR White cis male AND white cis female dominated society AND non-white cis male and non-white cis female complicity, albeit to disparate degrees and scope … LOL.
Okay “irrationalhumanbeing”, your reading comprehension is obviously poor or you have some other agenda.
Thanks for misrepresenting my comment by your idiotic reply.
1. Yep, must be “my reading comprehension” not “your written communication skills” … LOL.
2. Yep, I have “a covert agenda” but “your transparent agenda is to dictate what I can or cannot think” … LOL.
3. Yep, your “idiotic contradiction” speaks volumes — if I “misrepresented” your comments, then that means I’m a “deconstructionist genius” and “communications expert” … albeit “unethical” if I’m seeking to distort what you cannot communicate …. LOL.
Anymore irrational projections you want to share?:)
I conceded your point and reminded how subject matter was in fact addressing, specifically, a gender issue… and you rebuttaled with predictable nonsense from your first point that made it sound like I didn’t concede in the first place.
Yeah, it is you. Learn to read or come with true collaborative intent. You’re not helping the cause by alienating people.
For you it’s about “conceding” as if you and I are in some “gladiator contest” … we’re not! You’re sharing your opinion about a topic. I’m sharing my opinion about a topic.
The topic is complex. I don’t see our exchange of opinions as some win-lose debate but win-win-dialogue. We don’t have to understand and experience our complex world, especially as it relates to human intersectionalities (to include gender) like clones or in any group-think way.
I’m okay! I hope you’re okay! Your repeat irrational projections and ad hominems suggest you’re not okay. If I’m wrong, then I apologize. Be at peace! Live long and prosper! Our species’ complex realities will go on with us, without us, and after us — our distinct voices and opinions.
“You’re not helping the cause by alienating people.”
Unless you’re spying on my life 24-7/365 I’d suggest you not project your arrogance about what I do or don’t do for “the cause” — whatever that cause is, however you think everyone should help, and all else. Stop being dictatorial — try being YOU and I’ll be me!
No thank you; I try and be “you” so I can fairly understand different perspectives.
Give it a try and maybe you’d be far less exclusionary.
“Give it a try and maybe you’d be far less exclusionary.”
Again, you cannot step outside of a psyche (yours) that desires and seeks to “project” and “dictate” … LOL.
If you think conceding is “win-lose” debate and not collaborative discussion, you’ve identified your own misunderstanding.
Once again “irrationalhumanbeing”, thanks for misrepresenting my comment again by another idiotic reply.
And thank you R for sharing your perspectives, pro and con:)
I appreciate you thanking me in advance for someone who can actually use and discuss them.
Please hold off on your efforts in our movement. I know you believe you’re helping, but it’s poisonous and not helpful.
“Our movement” … so you’re claiming exclusionary “proprietary” ownership … LOL. No problem, please enjoy your “commodity” … I’m sure I can buy participation in other “commodity movements” … LOL:)
“Our” is inclusionary, a concept you are obviously struggling with. Hence why I am asking you to hold off from it for a bit because you’re included, but your efforts are destructive.
“LOL” <— I really enjoy these too because they provide no value to anyone but yourself (more exclusionary behavior).
Your reaffirmation of your double talk and cognitive dissonance is appreciated but unnecessary. There's plenty of discourse to confirm this already.
ROFLMAO
I’m a cis male idiot irrespective of my other attributes. This was your astute judgement.
So I’m confused why a savvy, sophisticated, wise “feminist-female” or “feminist-male” or “non-feminist-human-being” would squander their precious “empowerment time” debating “an idiot” … especially one they’ve “ostracized” from “the movement club” … LOL.
Seems irrational:)
Do you have some covert agenda — like trying to seduce me online for sexual exploitation … maybe entice me onto your private property so you can rape me … Yikes!
You do know there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of potential converts just waiting for YOU to recruit into the movement club … please don’t let me side-track you from that life purpose:)
You left out that your feminism is basic, and it’s sadly transparent.
Your attempt to suggest homosexual activity (as if it’s an insult) and accuse me of trying to rape you is probably the most inclusionary you can honestly be, and that’s quite disturbing.
no, basically, you are a racist.
If you say so. I can get you a KKK membership for a discount. You interested, LOL.
again, why must yo equate rape with slavery you were never a slave. yet you excuse rape as if it is nothing but women whining
Yawn:)
oh, look the salvery card once again YOU were never a slave
No, the racist KKK card, cuz you said I’m racist. You want a card too, LOL.
and my point proven. you are racist. you assume that because my skin is white I am racist. and then you pull the slavery card you are racist as shit man, really, racist as shit. you think you are owed something because 300 years ago some ancestors might have been slaves. whereas, I know 500 years ago, my ancestors were tortured and murdered for the land they held in common. You were never a slave, you never met anyone who was a save but I wil always be part indigenous and know family members who were taken from their parents and tortured and raped in residential schools.
Then I guess you want reparations, how much, LOL.
nope but I’m sure you do after all maybe you are the descendant of a slave and are using it to get special treatment. sorry, dude. but people are just so sick of the race card, news flash we are all one race. get over your inferiority complex, you have nobody to blame but yourself. you wer naver a slave.
Yawn!:)
the KKK were not the only racists ever onthe planet. there are far more “african american” racists today than whites and seriously how do you call yourself african american f ypu’ve never been to Africa. however, your complaints of slavery do not excuse rape in any shape or form, you are merely a racist and assume all non blacks are racist when it is actually you. you assume I am racist not even knowing anything about me. you don’t know that I am not American, you do not know that where I live slavery was never allowed and everybody was treated equally, yet based solely on the colour of my skin you call me racist. ok, then because you have a penis that makes you a rapist
Yawn!:)
I’m sorry, but this argument is about gender.
Due to intersectionality and respect for one another’s struggles, however, you are welcome to respond as someone who has suffered oppression of a different kind – and as a male ally / feminist. But that doesn’t mean this particular discussion is about race more than gender. However the problem is indeed compounded for women who are *also* non-white, disabled, etcetera, and that’s a brilliant point to add into the mix, so please do. Just don’t derail the original subject matter!
How am I derailing the topic if you just acknowleged that in the real world versus an abstract academic compartmentalized discourse, all genders share multiple identities, not 1-identity.
So, for example, how does a color-blind discussion address rape, sexual harrassment, and other crimes or oppression against all females, if you abstract claim gender is or was the only social construct attribute involved?
Having a complex discourse about female issues, but ignoring how other attributes are inextricably involved, in the real world versus some abstract discussion, lumps the real life experiences of 162 million American females, and 4.3 million diverse females worldwide, into some taken for granted default white-female hegemonic self-referential pseudo aggregate discussion.
If that’s what the authors of this topic intended, then by all means count me out as an ally. I’ll limit my feminism to helping to empower females of color, and wish all white females well, unless white females only identify as female … not according to any academic, census, or real world observations I’ve seen since 1966 to 2016, and in 10 different countries.
So, again, you may be projecting some pseudo more than or less than juxtaposition of binary black/white reality, but I’m not. As a multiple identity African American male, living in the real muliti-bigoted world, I have no such hegemonic luxury, nor do women of color with other attributes, in addition to gender.
In short, spare me the abstract esoteric hegemonic internalized ISMs. Real world complex problems aren’t solved by myopic reductionist discussions but complex nuanced diagnoses of complex realities. Gender is 1-dimension of our complex identity reality, inextricable from all the others. Now subject me again to your racist projections and I won’t be civil in my next response, regardless of my gender and yours!
And he thinks 1950s wives gave blowjobs. Um no! That was considered disgusting only prostitutes did that. He could get normal missonary sex from his 1950s wife not blow jobs. What a dumb ass he is to think that.
Awwwwww poor baby. Can’t adapt to modern life. ☹️Sorry we aren’t living in the 1900s. Notice we women don’t give a rats ass that you can’t cope or adapt to modern life. Stay far far away from women. You don’t like and respect us and we are sadly amused by your whining. We won’t miss you. Women aren’t allowed to be picky? Newsflash matty women have a right to be as picky as we want. Sorry you don’t seem to be making the cut. Maybe try not being a misogynist asshole. It might help. Not women’s fault you aren’t a desirable guy.
If you can’t make the cut with women stop whining. It’s your fault not ours
Don’t you think that:
1. You don’t have the right to state when exactly is ‘too picky’?
2. Women should have the right to choose the way spending her life?
3. Men should be responsible of themselves and their children?
Lastly:
The family structure isn’t natural, it could be changed, it evolves. (When society is ready. Obviously not now.) A surname doesn’t describe the family close to your heart. Degradation comes when you can’t change quickly enough.
Just like you can’t change your opinion from the 50’s or how yourself can’t evolve enough to be picked by your cunt-like women.
“1. You don’t have the right to state when exactly is ‘too picky’?”
No one does, just don’t cry a sob story when you get turned down, because you’re pushing 30+ and have multiple different children by multiple different fathers.
“2. Women should have the right to choose the way spending her life?”
Yes, they should, but they SHOULD also be responsible and accept the consequences that result from spending their life freely. If you get knocked up by three different men, you shouldn’t be rewarded for it by collecting government assistance and welfare for it.
“3. Men should be responsible of themselves and their children?”
It depends. If women demand that the receive primary custody (as which they received roughly 90 percent of the time in child custody court), then they are making an affirmative claim that they can supplement the full sustenance the child needs for proper development. If this is true, then child support should not be necessary.
Yet… what do you know. Women use children as a means to receive child support and welfare + government assistance to receive a disposable “income”.
Yet you blame women for this and not the oligarchy we live in which demands two incomes. Men can afford to keep a household anymore and that’s not the fault of feminists.
Men can not afford to maintain a household and family on one income anymore. The Economy has changed. This is not the fault of feminists. It’s the fault of big business and the oligarchy we live in. Now when a household requires two incomes and woman are working every bit as hard as men the women are still expected to do the lions share of household and child care duties. Why not join the Taliban if you want to blame woman for all the evils in society? Why not recognize that women are an asset to many organizations and why not recognize that women are exhausted and not getting the support they need. Women like sex. If they aren’t engaging in sex with their partner it’s ususally because it isn’t pleasurable enough to offset the burden in places on our bodies in terms of dealing with birth control or other factors or they are exhausted from caring for the household and a grown man who needs to be cared for like another child .
Wow, where did you get your education? Or did you? Women HAD to start working during WWII and then had to continue to work b/c of stagnating wages. Don’t blame women, blame the bankers, companies, etc who won’t pay the salary to a man that’s needed to support a family AND have a wife to stay home. I’m sure many women would rather stay at home at take care of their kids than have to work, but that’s not the reality for 90% of the US.
You know there’s hookers if your that desperate? It’s not healthy to be as sexually frustrated as you sound, poor man.
No in “the old days” women weren’t forced by society to give blow jobs at all, they could just have normal sex which is actually enjoyable for women instead of having that forced in their mouths. Blow jobs were weird and unusual and only for prostitutes to give which was much better for women. Wives didn’t give them. Men wanted real sex with a vagina which is actually pleasurable for women instead of stupid gay blowjobs.
“If you can’t make the cut with women stop whining. It’s your fault not ours”
Thats what dating with women is like. Its like a sport. No wonder why pick up artists exist. I’d rather not waste time with stupid games and focus on my self, and my career. “The cut” you mention is very length as women reject men for almost anything, even though somewhere on that list they do themselves. Like rejecting a male for living with his parents when she does.
What you don’t understand is that it isn’t about women rejecting men for silly little things. It’s about finding someone that will ACCEPT you as a partner and who DESIRES you as a partner, who you feel the same way towards. You don’t have an inalienable right to be with any particular individual, or any individual at all. So the women who aren’t interested are not rejecting you, they’re simply not choosing you as a romantic or sexual partner. This is something that literally happens to everyone all of the time every time they see another human being that they don’t immediately sleep with. You should not take this personally.
Debbie, you fail to understand (or more likely acknowledge) that just because a woman has a right to reject a man for literally any reason does not mean she enjoys the freedom to not be considered an idiot in the process. A woman may have the right to reject a 5’11” man for not being 6′, though he may have every other desirable attribute, but enjoying that right does not mean she is entitled to our respect. She is an idiot.
I’d also like to point out to the male readership of this site that Roosh tolerates dissenting opinions, even including those of obvious trolls, on his website to a FAR greater degree than what you might see on sites like Jezebel. And yet he is the man with international governments clamboring to reject him from their borders. Feminists–mainstream feminists–are bigger exemplars of totalitarian thinking. The world has gone insane.
Ultimately the West will go to advocates of principled masculinity, who have returned to tradition (of which Roosh’s neomasculinity is a proposed model), but will remain fairminded in treatment of women, or, failing that, will fall to radical Islam, and it’s near total disregard for women. The feminist project will only result in weakened family structures and degraded men, like the inner city black community with it’s army of deadbeats and criminals, before being supplanted by one of the above two models of masculinity. Why? Because birth rates will decline, and women in power will be nothing better than glorified beauricrats–they will not secure the West militarily, or develop it technologically. This is the end of all this social conditional, although the aftershocks will straddle multiple generations before it comes to fruition.
So, you are an animal that would fuck your own daughter?
You sound like a real idiot, do you want a companion or someone who can’t wait to get away from you.
“Look at the nature! the animals – a MAN OF ANIMALS fuck everything what has a vagina! A DOG-father also will fuck his daughter, if he can!”
As humans we have the ability to decide how to act, we’re not governed by instinct.
I’m not a dog. I don’t sniff people’s asses and eat their shit. I don’t gang bang bitches in heat. A dog’s nature is not our nature. Well, not mine at least, I’m not so sure about yours.
You want to act like a dog? Then you belong on a leash in public places.
We humans aren’t the same as animals. We aren’t here to breed litters of kids. We have enough people on this planet. We also have well developed frontal lobes that allow us to think and not react the same as animals, maybe yours aren’t so developed. You can’t possibly understand how difficult it is to be a woman with men harassing you all the time, attacked, have to have kids and then take care of them!! We are SICK OF IT!! If you need to go screw a goat b/c women are protective of themselves, that’s your business, Disgusting and cruel but I’d rather you do that than rape a woman.
Why is it that everyone who says “look back to nature” is trying to justify some psychopathic thing. No we don’t have to “look back to nature” because we’ve evolved, and have morals and ethics.
@The UNDERTAKER
Holy fuck dude, do you seriously have the way of thinking that you present in your comments? It’s fucking toxic and disturbing. Please get help.
Caroline, it’s funny that feminists who base their whole victim ideology on begging chivalrous white male patriarchs in Europe and the Americas to rescue them turn around and tell men that she doesn’t have to care about anyone other than herself.
In a way, crying for Sir Lancelot to rescue you is making SOME man somewhere happy but not in the way you might expect. These men don’t seemingly flood you with protection and goodies because of your moral cause. You’re a dupe. They pander to you in the hopes of getting laid (you were just bragging about the ability for women to use sex as a power tool) OR they use your influence for their own ends.
Powerful white male patriarchs don’t pander to feminism to give up power. They gain it in other ways. The white male owners of designer bag makers or diamond shops, for example. “Be liberated! Buy more consumer junk, ladies!” Or leftists who want Islamic Patriarchs to immigrate. Feminists make THOSE men really happy (just be sure to not “ask for it” when walking in Germany, ok?)
Your psychotic worldview doesn’t work in the long run and you’ll figure that out as you grow older and lose more and more of what little sexual power you have until you hit your wall (I’m guessing for you that’s probably your early 30’s, at best) and then…
NOBODY will care about you. You’ll be invisible. Other women will largely ignore you as well as the men.
I’m in my early 40s now. Single by choice despite two or three proposals and currently with two lovers. Large large group of wonderful female friends I respect. See that’s what’s so funny is you neo masculine men seem totally out of touch with women’s experiences or perspectives. I’d respond more but it would be waste of time. Roosh is so threatened by by responses he feels the need to delete my comments . He’s too afraid of anyone who contradicts him. Not looking for anyone to rescue me. This whole movement seems to be centered around needing to control women. So who is needing who? If you hate women and think they are inferior. Please just do us women and yourself a favor and develop a meaningful relationship with your right hand and a good doll. They would appreciate you much more than 99.9% of women will.
“If you hate women and think they are inferior. Please just do us women and yourself a favor and develop a meaningful relationship with your right hand and a good doll. They would appreciate you much more than 99.99% of women will.”
ROFLMAO — superb!
Much of the “control” you refer to are PUA style tactics in order to get women to sleep with them by understanding what women want. I liken it to Cosmo for men. You know those articles in Cosmo that teach women how to “drive men crazy” with tips on oral sex?
Aside from that, there’s not too much men need to do to control women aside from closing down the welfare state. “Independent” feminist women don’t last that long without special handouts and rescue from white male Sir Lancelots oligarchs (while the economy is going, of course.) Heck, on a personal level, I met tons of career women in their 30’s who, after spending their life savings on overpriced cars and designer handbags, couldn’t afford to start a family without me.
I picked a woman 10 years my junior. Why should I have to settle?
Finally, I truly don’t hate women. Feminists like to claim that they don’t hate men but rather hate the patriarchy (which are men) and I’ll extend that logic a bit: If women are kindhearted and treat men with dignity, I love them. Feminists don’t do that since they always find a way to blame most any man for the crime of having a penis. That’s why it’s not worth having a relationship with one. At best, such a man is a dog to her.
I’ve been married for (just short) of 11 years now. I want my wife to feel empowered and happy but respectful of her limits just as I do to myself. As I said, in many ways, I’m an egalitarian (hence, MRA’s have “stolen” the word because feminism was never about equality). I don’t expect my wife to be the “same” as me, or “equal” at all times but in regards to where we need to be equals such as adults then I hold my wife and I to similar standards.
Caroline: face it–you are undesirable to any man of genuine value. Physically you’ve certainly hit the wall (the fact that someone is sleeping with you means nothing–some men even sleep with animals); but more importantly it’s clear from your comments that you are a terrible person, and no man of any worth would want to spend his life with you. If you were proposed to by good men, who possessed any reasonable degree of attractiveness than you are a fool as well. It is only regrettable that they temporarily were made to feel rejected by you, as they certainly were better off without you. Your lovers are only slumming it by spending time with you, because they either hit a dry patch, or lacked sufficient game to bed more desirable women.
Oh, and female friends (at least compared to men-we can only speak in relative terms here) are typically pretty lame–it’s mainly a big bitch fest, occasionally punctuated by lame attempts at humor that pale in comparison to what we enjoy as men with great ease and regularity. And female friends will turn on a dime–men may have more loners out there, but our friendships are much more often grounded in mutual respect and honorable behavior.
As far as “control” is concerned: there is no clearer demonstration of the widespread desire of feminists to control male behavior than the social activist trolling Roosh has had to deal with–to the point that a blogger and author of pickup books is being banned from entire countries from expressing ideas in a piece of internet satire.
Interesting!
All or some of what you say may be fact or fiction. But here’s an irrefutable fact!
1. Most cis (and some bisexual) males are desperate for females (even 1) to provide them sex, and maybe babies, a second income, and love.
2. Most cis males are rapists, stranger and especially acquaintance, sex trafficking, and incest — not most females.
3. Most cis males are prisoners of their own patriarchy, in that they must focus on their bucks and looks, whereas sexism only compels females to focus on their looks.
4. Most males aren’t high-income, hard body fit, gorgeous, awesome sex partners, 60/40 domestics, awesome fathers, or awesome compatible lovers.
In short, Roosh’s article … even if framed as a thought-provoking satire versus an absurd, sexist, money-making scam, seeking to pander to and exploit the sexist, insecure, egoist, neanderthal values of cis males … is evidence of how desperate, sexually and emotionally needy (and in all other ways) most cis males are for cis females. Feminism … be it 1st, 2nd, or 3rd wave (especially intersectionality) scares cis males … because it expects, demands, and compels cis males to redefine their values, psyche, egos, behaviors, and all of our male-centric patriarchy institutions and policies — and that inevitable change, that has been happening past and present, scares all dinosaur thinking acting males, and their internalized sexist cis female complicits.
So on this arbitrary scale of whose a more perfect and desirable human being … Caroline or other females compared to Roosh, yourself, or any other sample of males … I’d say most or all females win this most powerful, most desirable, imperfect human being gender contest … at least in my cis male opinion!
Good for you, if that’s what actually makes you happy (most of the single women I know post-30 who haven’t already had children are on a barrage of anti-depressants).
A man would be smart to rely on his right hand anyways than put up with life-long alimony, (near life-long) child support payments, and false rape accusations and allegations.
feminists don’t ask for help from men and that is why guys like roosh ve are so scared that they propose rape as the sollution to controlling women who are free of the ‘men are heroes’ rethoric you just blabbered on about. simply put your post is bullshit. feminists don’t need men for anything. other than to scratch that itch now and again
Feminism is a victim movement largely confined to the west and does nothing BUT “ask for help” from western, white men to rescue them presumably from men. Bill Clinton is a good example: Feminists overlook him raping individual women because he promised goodies for women.
Want to see what independence is REALLY like? Watch naked and afraid or “Below Zero”. There’s a woman on that show who runs her own business and lives in the middle of nowhere whose tougher than most men. My wife greatly admires her. But she’s no “feminist”. She doesn’t view herself as a victim because she has nobody to rescue her as such. She pragmatically gets on with the business of living. Wonderful show. I highly suggest you watch it if only to admire this incredible woman. Of course, there are incredible men on it as well living on their own in a cabin in the middle of nowhere and living off the land.
That lifestyle isn’t for everyone though.
Most of us are social creatures. We like electricity, computers, cars/trains, etc. not to forget deodorant and hot showers. But men are a lot more humble about our circumstances than the victim entitlement feminist.
Of course, I don’t blame feminists for this. I blame white knight chivalrists who spoiled women or exploit naive, selfish feminist women for their own ends. Without such continual protection, I know feminists would quickly adjust to reality and this is slowly happening as the welfare states collapse in much of the west.
Efirst off, I don’t watch fake american television reality shows and second , you haven’t a clue what feminism is. We don’t play victim nor ask for help what we do is a stand up for our right to equality and to not be called names when some guy decides to practice rape. Sadly men like you don’t seem to value work that women do or you’d join us instead of constantly denying us. We don’t need protection we can do that just fine, we need equality, and for you to stop talkingbto us and treating bus like Stupid children,
Stop talking down to women because we are fed up with it. Its really fucking insulting
Most feminist issues have zilch to do with equality. Abortion rights, rape hysteria, free daycare/healthcare (because women spend more on such things). NONE of this is about equality since men don’t have a right to rape that is denied to women, for example. It’s about a goodie grab via portraying women as victims.
It’s funny that you call fake American TV reality shows when college campuses are a massive Potemkin village for feminism. At university, gender/race preferences trump ability and merit, the Soviet state provides food and clothing (or mommy/daddy pay the bills), etc. and this is the environment that feminism thrives. When people work in The Real World, feminism quickly is rejected by women because the campus police don’t come running up with safe zones and handouts to make someone “equal”.
Regarding “women’s work”. If women valued such work, they’d prefer to marry househusbands and sensitive “feminist” men rather than money making Alpha Patrriarch males. When women start finding feminism attractive in men, then the Patriarchy will be no more. Oh, and before nagging men to do the dishes and change diapers, could you please figure out what a dinner check is? (The restaurants don’t give the food for free. Just so you know. And no, paying a dinner check a SINGLE time doesn’t entitle you to a Nobel prize.)
Regarding being talked down to. My wife sometimes complains about that but she also admits she can be amazingly irresponsible. She recognizes that I bust my butt to pay the bills and keep things going. When women want that role AND don’t treat men like total *** if he’s not the breadwinner, then this so-called equality will work. But in the meantime, anytime a woman is successful and powerful, they usually treat men like *** and become worse than the patriarchy as portrayed by feminism. Successful career women are selfish and mean. They remind me of the alpha males I knew on Wall Street who ate TUMs like cereal. If feminism makes women unhappy shrews, what’s the point?
Abortion rights area about a woman’s right to control what happens to her body, rape is not hysteria in any shape or form,daycare is not just a women’s issue its a family issue. Its about equality and how men expect women to just go along with whatever you decide. What gives you the right to say what I do with my body, what gives you the right to force sex on me, what gives you the right to say I have to stay home and look after children instead of earning enough to give them proper nutrition and clothing. When people work in the real world nth he woman standing beside you on the assembly linedeserves the exact same pay as you do and she doesn’t deserve being groped nor called filthy names. There is no woman’s work or man’s work. There is simply work. And there should be equal pay and equal rexpect for both genders. If you cannot figure this out, need to get out of society.
You complain that becausewomen want equality that removes your right to rape. You never had that right. It is a felony.always was, always will be. You hgavent got the right to control MY body or my life
Again, repeat: What does rape have to do with equality? Are men saying that they have a right to rape women but women don’t have a right to rape men? Are there laws, or even social customs, that allow for men to rape women but not vice-versa?
Rape (against women) is a women’s issue (or at least an issue for hysterical, sexually repressed man-haters) but it’s not an equality issue and that subtly illustrates how feminism is psychotic. The world doesn’t revolve around your issues as “equality” issues. What about the (equally numerous) male victims of homosexual rape in prison? Equality isn’t about taking care of women but rather everyone. Men, children and society are treated with disdain by feminism.
Which brings up to taking care of the kiddies. Want more money on the assembly line? Then provide for a man to stay at home with the kids while you work longer hours. Oh, wait, “equality” means equal stuff where it matters to you, but without the work. Again, that’s psycho thinking. You’re a psycho.
FYI, unlike feminists who have beta male friends I have women friends (and a wife) who are healthy, accomplished women with (healthy) children and lives who are quick to express themselves and disagree with me even on matters such as this. For all the talk of the evil Patriarchy suppressing women, it’s amazing how much more healthy and expressive women are in traditional households versus the politically correct environment of feminism (not to mention their poor, neutered men and gang-banger sons.)
Anyway, these women tell me that American women in particular are psychotic and selfish, treat people with a lack of respect, and have an entitlement attitude. My wife was shocked at how an American woman was treating a store clerk. She said in her own country that women would get punched in the face (by the woman.) But Scarlet Ohaha, she
is so oppressed. Fiddle dee dee.
Regarding ME getting out of society. Actually, I and many here have. Unlike feminism which lives in a cocoon of white male patriarchal chivalrous patronage, I’ve traveled quite a bit. Actually, it’s the Patriarchal cultures that are taking over the west recently (google news for german women raped islam train station.) You wanted to bash the white male patriarchy? Wait until you see its replacement! You can’t get rid of us. You can only DOWNGRADE. Getting rid of the white male patriarchy is like going from an Iphone 6 to an Iphone 2.
Finally. Want to control your body and life? Three words: Earn A Living. Not by demanding men via the welfare state support you. Or a special program. Earn it on your own. Then you can do whatever you like. But it’s not easy. The world of men rarely is.
“Abortion rights area about a woman’s right to control what happens to her body” I know you aren’t the first person to utter this piece of bullshit, but you are a filthy, filthy human being to reduce this issue down to the sole issue of a woman having control over her “body.” The unwillingness of even casual feminists to seriously contend with even the POSSIBILITY that there is a MORAL OBLIGATION on the part of a woman towards this life that is growing inside of her and that the issue cannot be solely reduced down to the question of what she wants to do with her own body shows feminism for what it has become–a supremely self serving, hate filled ideology, that grows with every passing entitlement. It has produced a culture of death and decay, and the current tendency to point to extreme examples of patriarchy is only an after the fact rationalization for the continued existence of this toxic philosophy. It will be destroyed in the end, even if it takes generations. A majority of women who commit abortions do not do so because of any dire threat to their health–these are abortions of convenience, and the blood of these babies cry up from the ground to the the everlasting shame of these women.
There is also a moral obligation for men to wear a condom every time they have sex but I don’t see you saying that anywhere in you’re hateful rant about women’s lives and bodies. You don’t get to say whether or not women are forced to have babies they don’t want. You don’t get to tell me I am not capable of deciding if I can raise another child with absolutely no help from its father. Women in stable healthy relationships don’t have abortions. Abortions are a last resort, not a simple option to birth control. And until you make sure every single man uses condoms every time they don’t want a baby then, mind your own fucking business. My body is not yours to control!
Oh, and the filthy individual is the person who thinks women are not worthy of the same respect you are demanding in your vicious misogynistic rant about how evil women are!
Men and women are both obligated to exercise the appropriate precautions–including waiting for marriage. If they lack the moral resolve to do that then they should each take the appropriate precautions. No woman, unless she is raped, is ever victimized by a man’s lack of use of a condom however. And the appropriateness of terminating a life growing inside of you remains an independent moral question which feminists by and large do not take seriously.
Hatred of evil and evil people is a virtue. It’s not “misogyny” you piece of shit.
So basically you just said only women can be evil! As for evil its the man who decides women who have the same sexual desires as men are, and the man who thinks he gets to tell women how to live and when to have sex. Its the man who calls people rude sick nas because they won’t let you decide their lives. The only piece of shit here is you for your insistence on blaming women for needing abortions due to sick, disgusting men like you trying rto control their lives. There would be no need for abortion if men were more responsible for their actions, instead of blaming women for all you’re faults. I’d get an abortion too, if I had someone like you as the other parent. You are simply abusive and should nor be allowed to procreate
If I am in a relationship, I can have sex with ONE person. She WILL have sex with me almost overtime I want it, and that is made clear. It is clear from the beginning that sex i very important to me. Don’t speak for every women, because their are many a hell of a lot better than you. You are an old, ugly, vile woman. I can tell you are jealous of young women who are actually attractive.
and when that woman says no, then you demand she let you rape her, right? Don’t speak for ANY woman and get offthat I have a higner need for sex garbage. no, you have a bigger need to be treated like the spoiled child your mother raised,. As forme being ugly and old, ugly is subjective, you will be just as old and even uglier than I ever could because you are vile
Shutup bitch
You shut up, the douche bag just admitted he raped what ever woman he is dating because he thinks he should get to say when SHE wants sex. He is an abusive man and a rapist. HE SHOULD be in prison.
Please save your bullshit for someone who cares
It’s funny that you say you can say no to men but make fun of guys that say no to women, you clearly think way too highly of yourself.
Unless you are a woman yourself, how do you know that it is very easy to get sex? My sister is older and overweight, yet still a virgin because men like you shame her and make her cry. YOU are the bad one.
I say something to you! FIRST: Take 10 men and 1 woman, who says: You ALL CAN FUCK Me! Please, fuck me! My Garanty is, that 9 men would take her! It doesn’t a matter, how she is looking, fat,skinny, which age or whatever is!? And than take 10 women and 1 man who says, I want to fuck you all! My GRANTY is, that just 1 or 2 womens say yes, fuck me! That is the point! Women want all the rights, but don’t want to give something for it! And the reason, that I have a secret account, is the fact for protecting myself! With my opion I get a high risk that someone make an account-Code-breaking and than they all knew me and can kill me! This I don’t want! Normally I am a friendly gently man, who always take respectfully his Girls, but I make the experiences, that you women take me out! Take all my Money and my honor and give me nothing! I am a famous Person in my Country, and I am always lovely, friendly and helpful, but all the Girls I had, didn’t want a Gentleman, and so NOW I AM WHAT IAM WITH MY OPION!!! SORRY, but women making me today, what I am now!!!
she’s a fat pig thats why
Also, if you were really honest and genuine, then you would not be hiding behind an anonymous account.
that’s stupid and dangerous thinking.
No, we are not the “bads” b/c we aren’t attacking people and hurting them. You, as a man, don’t understand anything about women, and by the way, sex isn’t love or security. Saying, “NO” isn’t breaking hearts, it’s only making you get rid of your own blueballs. Take care of your own problems, don’t expect women to do everything for you!
Most women can easily have one night stands but some struggle just as much as some men in finding a long term partner. And in monogamous societies wouldn’t the number of men who reject marriage and serious relationships mathematically prevent the same number of women from marriage/relationship?
By your attitude and looks, it’s safe to say men have downed alot of alcohol to even be in your presence let alone have sex with you, I wouldn’t give you a second look!
I am relieved and both my lovers thank you.
Speak for yourself. There are many women born with the proper hormonal balance to be feminine and they love sex with attractive men who adore their bodies. And these women also get great pleasure from the sex act. Try some hormone therapy and you might not feel so frigid and independent. Thanks.
Middle aged and overweight I get literally hundreds of messages asking me for sex or relationships on a social site. I’m a woman and feminist. lol Had a wonderful relationship for many years but he died.
“Always available, eh?” Explain the explosion of shit-faced fat fuck feminazies (probably look like you) who have only cats and dogs as companions and whine incessantly about men. A happily sexed gal would never whine as 1/100th time as much as some feminists who trolled the net for attention. “we are doing fine”, my ass!
Credible research shows that 40% of women desire marriage and children where as 80% of men do. Men are more likely to want to return to being married after divorce and less likely to say they are happy after divorce. Women report being happier being single and are less likely to want to remarry. Single women are generally in better health where as single men are in worse health. Soooo lots of these women choosing cats for companions are choosing that. Women in relationships are far more likely to have reasons to be complaining about men. And many of us who are single and chose to remain so are indeed happily sexed.
It’s all about the perspectives. Just as the feminists used to portray marriage as horrible to women (which was not true), now marriage is verily a bad deal to men. The more men realisze it, the faster they will adapt to the new situation and in the end, even if 60% to 70% of men in society refused to marry, it would be worse off to women (individually and on the whole) than if they ever get married. You are still stuck with all 20 year old theories and researches. Go update.
The most recent data shows that 40% of women want marriage where as 80% of men do. This is what the most recent data indicates. It’s a misconception that women are more desirous of marriage and men the ones balking at the thought. Men are more likely to want to return to being married after divorce and men report being less happy after divorce. Women are waaay less likely to want to remarry after divorce and report being much much happier post divorce. Single women are also much healthier where as the health of men who are single is much much worse than men who are married. When women marry their focus on household chores triples overnight as they assume the physical care of their husband. Even with small children in the home women see a decrease of household chores when divorcing since their husbands generally require more care than they add to the household. No I’m sorry this is what the most recent data from the most credible research indicate . The Mgtow men are misinformed as to the actual data and want to create the impression that it’s men who need to be convinced to marry and that women are the great beneficiaries of marriage. That we need to strive to gain their acceptance as they are holding back and women need to convince them of the need to marry and have children. No doubt there are men and relationships where this is the case. But when looking at the actual data men want the marriage and kids twice. As much as women and benifit much more than women do physically , emotionally and even financially. Men who are married in their 30s actually are in a higher pay scale than men in their 30s who have the exact same educational background and experience. Having a wife support a man’s career increases his financial abitlity. I am updated.
You put out a lot about “recent data” (without any quote) simply to justify the bogus stance that women benefit much more by being single (kinda Mgtow female version). Men used to fancy marriage but now, only the dumbest fool cannot realise how risky it is. Most of the time men marry poorer women (the chance that women actually make family with poorer men is minimal) and let them call the shot since all the family law stand with the wives. Any problem and she will take house, kids and half what the man earn (and it doesn’t need to be a problem, just getting bored is decent enough excuse). Just try to note it, there have been huge explosion of clever, fit and materially comfortable men who resolutely refuse to marry (at all or at least until they are forty). Also try to note, there have been quite a clamor to get men to marry by any means but they seems to doesn’t give a rat’s arse.
Anyway, it’s such a waste of time arguing with a feminist ideologue. But then since i’m polite enough, I say you are just taking care of your interests. But mind you, men have their own interests and if they could compromise, there would not be such a family upheaval all across Western world. The more you spread the idea that women had better be single, there would be exactly another man who does the same message to men. In the end, Western women and men would become opponents in all walks of life and that would be the end for all women’s progress. The chance Western women can win versus their own men and traditional men from the rest of the world in the backdrop of a massive demographic decline is minimal. Good luck, eh!
The center for family research has been around for fifty years and is recognized as the most credible and experienced center for research regarding families and partner relationships. Can’t help it if I’m more well read than you. Maybe there are more men refusing to marry….still ends up,with 80% wanting marriage and children with 40% of women wanting it. Women still report being happier while single and much healthier. Single men still report wanting to remarry soon after divorce and suffering decreased health outcomes while single. Interesting you see this as a game to be won. Women just want to be happy and generally you men seem to be dissapointing us on this level….which is why we are more likely to want to not remain with you. Other wise why would women report being happier when single while men not? You see single women and women who,wish to remain single as adversarial …..not so. We’re just not invested in spending the majority of,our energy investing in you instead of ourselves. You expect us to invest time and energy wise to your care in a way women don’t require of men. You aren’t bringing enough to the table…..which is why generally women are happier on the other side of divorce .
You are so well-read and can’t even post a quote from any source. Anyway, I’m totally at ease to let you live in your bubble. The more there are such women like you who are so full of yourselves, the more men will wake up to the stupid situation that they are being stuffed in the West. Go WGTOW or whatever, just to remind you that as the weaker sex, the only thing women have benefited so far from the whole thing is the manhood divided and indifferent. When men united for their cause against women, it would be extremely unpleasant for every one. The best way for women is to maintain the confused state forever, but then there are women like you who just love to unify men ‘on the other side’. Again, good luck
Weaker sex😂. We’re more educated. We live longer. Men are more irrational and more violent and you think that’s superior?😂
More educated at what? Women studies and psychobubbles, eh? How many percent of scientific discoveries women made per year in comparison to men. Women live longer simply because they don’t need to prove your manhood (which entails a huge amount of risk) to the tribes. Before, that’s about fighting to the dead in war. Today, it’s about braving some of the worst sport on earth just to prove there is enough resilience to protect the like of you in case shit hits the fan. And if women are so logical than men, how is this so hard for them to just feature equally at the STEM, unless they need the whole government to cut down the men and put the females up. Anyway I will repeat here, that I am actually very happy to have a woman like you who are so stupidly sexist that the more there are, the more you gals will drive men into the other line. Men have never been unified at the expense of themselves, but when they do, let’s see how it work out for ya!
No sorry my masters degree is in the medical field. More women are getting educated than are men these days and more are graduating college than are males….and women are competing as successfully in tech, finance and the sciences as men. Men have ONLY been unified in the expense of themselves.😂 And again women statistically are happier having more space and time to be themselves and not focusing on the care of men since a marriage adds an additional 12 hours of housework to care for the needs of men since this is the societal expectation men have always believed they are entitled to. My needs are met. I’m not afraid of men refusing to marry….my needs are better met through a more casual arrangement. And more women as they mature agree this suits their needs best. Men seem to still require a full time mate for their health, happiness and career growth.
I said that give me a quote on any decent scientific discovery that confirmed men require a full time mate for their health, happiness and career growth and you could not. All you could do is to repeat your personal mantra again and again “women are best when they are alone while men sucks, blah blah”. How funny to know almost all that make the fun in real life or in the net nowadays have been made by men and you still say men will suffer if they don’t have a “full-timed” mate. Also of any mammal species that could be the most resistant to external force, it is man alone on top. You can babble again and again how happily alone women are only thanks to all the hard works men in the West have created and protected. Try say the same in the jungle of Africa. Very likely you will jump behind the first white man that appears. By the way, please print all what you said here to your doctor’s or nurse’ blouse next time you serve in a hospital so any male patient can avoid your service (for the good of their health and for the name of the hospital). Thanks.
I did quote the research group I take many of these stats from and you are quoting no sources. Feel free to do some actual research instead of referring to your own opinions. Multiple studies from credible sources exist. What women are benefiting from is greater contentment when not caring for adult men as though they were children. If women were happier married they wouldn’t be the ones clamouring to remarry after divorce the way men are. They wouldn’t be healthier after divorce. Women report being happier and studies show healthier. We gain happiness and health. That’s how we benifit.
say the manmenists who can’t and such.
Men DO have a right to sex. By birth. Because they have a penis. That’s not a problem.
You have zero “right to sex”, asshole. If you actually were a “real man”, you wouldn’t have a problem with it. You wouldn’t have to congregate with other pussy ‘men’s rights’ dickheads who fail in all aspects of life. You wouldn’t even be having this conversation. But….you’re a loser.
The issue is the feminists are not telling women to be safety conscious. That if they don’t want to have sex with a random man, don’t go home or anywhere private with him. There is also issues with consent, because again feminists says that if a woman decides that she was too drunk, she can accuse a man of rape even though she fully complied at the time of the sex. Feminist says cat calling is precursor to rape. Women don’t get any repurcussions even when it has been proven that the rape or sexual harassment were false in some cases.
agreed.
Read the first paragraph. Articles in Salon, Buzzfeed, and Huffington Post that were written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium? What more do you need to understand that this is satirical? A brain?
I know right. And he is AGAINST ABORTION RIGHTS. What a FUCKING LOSER.
Sarcasm morons…. Like what I just said. U have cognitive deficit.
It’s not satire to attack, rape victims, an already victimised group. It’s not big, clever or funny. And this man may very well be an actual rapist.
He he is an actual rapist. He describes the rapes he has committed in detail. He describes how funny it is to,leave a woman physically and emotionally traumatized. He says men shouldn’t envision walking on a beach under the stars when thinking of women that they should visualized choking them while fucking them in the ass. His exact words. He says he loves raping a woman and trying to get her to like it. Loves seeing women cry in fear and pain.
Where are the links to his admittance to raping women?
Come to my face book and it’s all there
Actually interested, having just rediscovered this guy and his less than admirable take on morality, and humor, nevermind logic. There seem to be a few folks with your name though, could you simply post the links here?
Nevermind, found it.
Scroll down on this article and you’ll see some direct quotes from the man himself in his own published material that graphically describe various rapes.
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/
I am PRO, because I love INCEST and I love to fuck young girls! And the Girls from today, the People make from the normal nature sex a Sport! And with lovely smiling and blink-wink eyes the Girls today Show us men HERE I AM – YOU WANT ME! COME! – and than they say NO! – And that isn’t right too! The rights you women want, but the rest is forgotten, or what!? NO WOMEN NO CRY!!!
Wow you are pathetic undertaker. Yes it’s within anyone’s rights to say no to sex. Just because you are aroused by someone doesn’t mean they have any obligation to be with you. You don’t have the rights to anyone’s body. Our rights don’t come with any obligation to make you happy at all. I’m sorry young girls and your relatives have to be in your company . You sound pretty messed up. Leave children and family members alone. Sexually they don’t belong to you.
Though I think you’re a dope I’ll labor enough to tell you that responding to him isn’t worth the effort.
“He he is an actual… …in fear and pain.”
You know, we already have a great place to put these kinds of psychopaths: a high-security psychiatric hospital. It’s a lot harder to rape people in a straitjacket.
The problem is that there are plenty of rapists out there who are good at hiding their activities. And plenty of men who don’t consider their actions rape, but ignore consent and pressure women into sex anyway.
Isn’t a man accused of rape after consensual sex also a victim? That’s the whole point. Taking the logic from the argument that a man, who has sex with a woman who consented at the time but afterwards regrets her consent and claims she was too inebriated to be allowed to consent, therefore is guilty of a crime, and making a philosophical argument that is the inverse of the original argument in order to illustrate the absurdity of it.
Agreed! Buyer’s remorse isn’t rape.
Women aren’t reporting rape due to buyers remorse.
yes he is.
It’s an absurd point. It’s a a small number of men compared to how many men actually rape and get away with it. You are asking me to ignore the 33% of women who are raped. Of that 70% will not report. Of the 30% who do report less the 3% of those are false allegations. A famous case of a ” false report” and a woman who was charged with false reporting and stated so publically was later founds to have been raped. She claimed the report was false when she was pressured to do so by police. Of the 3% or less who claim to have reported falsely almost half say they were forced to recount due. To pressure or force.
It happens a lot in privileged cultures.
Of course being on the recipient’s side of a false rape accusation makes you a victim. The problem is that this actually happens with startling rarity. Most accusations of rape and sexual assault are true, and an awful lot of victims (men as well) do not come forward at all, let alone straight away, due to shame and psychological torment. In the example that you give, someone who happened to be pliable and manipulable while drunk and later found out that she had sex without her knowledge or sober consent, did not actually give informed consent. It shouldn’t be judged as strongly as a case where consent was never given at all but there should be some legal penalty to the situation in order to prevent men from simply raping any woman who had a drink that night and chalking it up to her inebriation. It should not be assumed that these accusations are false. It is more frequent for an actual rapist to claim falsehood.
yes it is satire regardless if you find it tasteful or not.
And this woman may very well be a child molester.
I can do that too.
“Satire is used against those in power” it is not satire to against already low people. It bullying
“Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, corporations, government or society itself, into improvement.”
Satire is satire, it doesn’t distinguish between individuals and doesn’t discriminate, hence why it’s the perfect weapon of choice of pointing idiotic, nonsensical issues of the world we live in. Mainly it’s because of the increasingly idiotic portrayal of women as perpetual victims instead of actually empowering them, teaching them how to take care of themselves and how to defend themselves from criminals.
Look at his site first, then look up an interview with Karen Straughan (girl writes what on youtube). He talks about his and explains it nicely from 29 minutes in the video.
Yet Roosh rapes actual women and writes about it. Not satire when you actually rape and actually promote violence against women. He says all men should visualize choking a woman while fucking her in the ass. Not satire.
But satire done correctly usually involves taking a viewpoint to a ridiculous extreme so as to point out how ridiculous it is even in the not-extreme. Colbert satirized right wing media by being the most absurd version of right wing media. Whose viewpoint is roosh taking to an absurd level here? If anything, this is a satire of people who say women shouldn’t drink because they will be raped. But that’s not who he claims to be satirizing.
Okay, but listen- the guy writing this is not an okay guy like you or me, he is a guy that advocates and actively commits rape. It is VERY LIKELY that he, like many men’s rights activists, TRULY BELIEVES what he is saying. Even if it were satire, it would be poor satire because it is indistinguishable from real stances he takes, and is therefore difficult to proclaim as purposefully absurd.
satire is satire. derp.
He doesn’t want to decrease rape. He enjoys raping women and writing about it.
If he’s confessed to a crime by writing about it, he would be arrested (especially now with this much attention).
Your claims are not compelling.
No not necessarily. There would have to be a woman coming forward to,file a complaint. 70% of rape victems do not and many of his victems seem to be from foreign countries. My claims shouldn’t be compelling. His claims should be. Read his writings. Read about his forcing a tiny polish woman. Pretty clear. Other instances where he says the woman said no 40 times. His claims …not mine.
Scroll down on this article and you’ll see some direct quotes from the man himself in his own published material that graphically describe various rapes.
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/
I just watched the video… The fact that he needed to explain himself for this ‘article’ shows that it is not satire.
Less thank 3% of rapists do a day in jail. Umm by your logic anyone strong enough to rape should be allowed to so why are you feeling sorry for the men raped in jail?
Because you don’t understand the point doesn’t mean the author did anything wrong, nor does it mean your assessment bred from misunderstanding is valid. It just means you are limited in understanding.
He is a rapist. He talks about enjoying rape.mhe talks about how all men should visualize on a regular basis choking women forcibly while fucking them in the ass. He describes the rapes he has committed in detail. Describes how he likes leaving women sobbing and in pain. Explain how my understanding of his position is limited. He did commit crimes. He did something. Very wrong. That you defend him means you are doing something wrong. Go ask any woman you are close to they will explain it to you in detail. I’m don’t talking to your pathetic ass
Citation needed.
Read his works. It’s there. Time to put on a pair of big girl panties and actually do some research. If you are supporting this man then shouldn’t you do some actual reading of his works? Jesus you can’t ask to be spoon fed everything. If I said water was wet would you need a citation for that? Develop a hungry mind and don’t rely on people here to provide you with every little thing. If you are here commenting we assume you are familiar with his work. If you are not familiar do some reading and then come back. There is a reason this guy is so hated by women. Go figure that out for yourself. Citation needed. You need a brain child
I have, that’s why I’m asking you to cite a source to prove your assertions. Which you can’t do as you’re not being truthful.
Citation here.
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/
You just used wehuntedthemammoth as a source….. You’re an idiot.
“defending him” proves nothing about anyone’s legal, moral or ethical stance.
if your logic was true, there would be no defense attorneys. you’re a dangerous person.
Defending him speaks very clearly to,your moral code. Defending someone who is callous about causing pain to others defines your moral character for sure. I’m dangerous? Give me a break. You are promoting rape culture. Done with you little boy.
Again, if your logic was true, defense attorneys would also get punished for defending their clients. They don’t.
Your comments are so ridiculous you might be a troll. I found this website because of you. Therefore, you are, quantifiably, promoting rape culture.
You’re giving this man a voice. Well done.
Caroline as also proven to have limited understanding in other things… like medical science. I would question anyone who uses statistics to supports a social science issue, but reject statistics that prove the effectiveness of vaccines. It suggests extreme and unreasonable bias.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/rape
He wrote this to get attention and notoriety full stop.
Dude, no he doesent, get familiar with the content of his site and you will know better.
Exactly – GET FAMILIAR WITH THE CONTENT OF HIS SITE. This dude is a fucking whackjob.
Check your privilege.
LOL
Women and men who find this appalling, you can take this in the other direction. Donate to Willpowered Woman. This organization empowers young women who have been abused. The website is: willpoweredwoman.org
I dont think external empowerment is equivalent to internal, self-derived, self-sustaining empowerment. Iff they give out free food or clothes or offer to help find employment, that again is not equivalent to internally generated self-empowerment.
Did you visit the website? Have you ever been a victim of abuse?
Only by angry women and Jesuits. I am not joking.
Actually the angry women were more damaging…I just thought the Jesuits were weird dysfunctional men with something wrong with them….the women, I actually wanted them to like and approve of me, you know, BECAUSE THEYRE WOMEN, and I was a young male child? Instead they would humiliate me in front of other kids, or find some way to get me physically punished by the appointed corporal punishment person of the year…one female teacher, seeing my IQ report i guess (Ithink they all had access to that info) physically pulled my desk, with me in it, into a deserted unused classroom, and told me i was asking too many questions…of course, what was in that room with me? AN ENTIRE SET OF ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICAS, back when they were still physically printed…oh it was like brer rabbit being tossed into the briar patch…but yeah, to this day I dont trust females, they are crueler than any man Ive ever met, including the poor mixed-up Jesuits.
Thank you for sharing this. Men have caused a lot of issues, but that is because they are/have been/were in positions of power. However, being a victim, we tend to generalize the group instead of handling the individual. This is also aligned with criticism on 3rd wave feminism.
I was referring to damage done by women in positions of power.
Nice point not really relevant but whatever you need
Oh, well, thanks for allowing me to have an opinion, even if you dont think its relevant, how gracious and generous of you.
Ok but only this once. Now go make me a sandwich.
Sigh. If you said ‘please’, I probably would. Because I’m a man, and we are polite and helpful by nature, vs entitled autocrats projecting their own imbalance (= women, if you can’t parse the statement.).
She has no real interest in equality and intersectionality; she is only interested attacking people. It’s pretty apparent this individual is a power hungry, hateful individual masquerading as the compassionate. This kind of behavior is what I see as the root of true inequality and injustice. I don’t think we can ever address and resolve the issue unless everyone can understand and accept this commonality. We are all at risk to be driven by it and must remain vigilant against it.
or it’s a troll account…. it’s hard to tell.. the behaviors for both are strikingly similar.
Jonathan Swift was an Irishman mocking the callous disregard the English had for the lives and well-being of the Irish. Roosh is a misogynist who advocates a callous disregard for female rape victims as a tongue-in-cheek exercise to… further his own, slightly less callous disregard for female rape victims. That’s the difference between a satirist and a troll.
Actually, Mr. Roosh merely points out the difference, for example, between some degenerate man dragging a hapless woman into an alley and violently raping her, as opposed to some degenerate woman taking a nose full of cocaine in the washroom at the club and then painfully sucking the hapless janitor’s penis dry, and regretting it when she sobers up and then falsely complaining to the police that he raped her pie-hole because he wouldn’t pull his johnson away from her when she was stoned and drunk.
Yes because that totally happens. Daily. Everywhere. And you totally didn’t pull that out of your ass in order to excuse your degrading views of women in society.
Yes it does, particularly in N. America, jackhole, just pay attention to the daily news there.
I respect women who respect themselves, and society that is not bent over giving itself a blowjob over how ‘upright and fair’ it is [not].
Yeah, no, it doesn’t happen happen that often here. Where are you getting your daily “news”?
Moron.
This “N. America” sounds like a shitty place to live, dude. Try Saudi Arabia. I’m sure all your masculine dreams will be met and then some.
I’m in my late twenties and I’ve had sex with several women – sober, drunk and otherwise intoxicated – but not once have I been accused of rape.
Neither has any male friend of mine as far as I know.
Strange isn’t it? I guess we must be doing something right. It must be this “consent” thing feminists talk about. You should give it a try.
On the other hand I do know several women who have been raped in their life. For instance by “sleepwalking” boyfriends or during their childhood by horny grandpas.
According to “Mr. Roosh” both of these cases should be perfectly legal and it’s the woman’s fault for trusting her boyfriend or grandfather with not violating them.
If you truly believe in this kind of crap, I don’t wish to talk to you any further.
Have a good one.
Well, I’m about 30 years older than you, son, and I’ve been intimate with countless broads, but guess what, stud: Not a single one was ‘drug or alcohol related’.
You admit the many times you’ve fucked drunk/drugged sluts and gloat about how you got away with it?
Then have the gall to falsely equate what Mr. Roosh clearly elucidated with ‘sleepwalking boyfriend rape’ or incestual paedophilia?
Let me say it again: drunken slut gets behind the wheel of a car, she is responsible civilly and criminally for reckless endangerment of herself and others. Same as if drunken slut gets used when drunk or drugged by the likes of you. Not that you don’t deserve punishment…
It’s always entertaining to see elderly (white) men who don’t understand the modern world anymore, grampa.
That’s one way of reading my story. It’s quite revealing that you chose this particular way.
Another way – which happens to closer to the truth – would be that I “admit” the (many) times I had consensual sex with women. Plus the few rare instances when they had a few beers or a joint prior to intercourse.
I’m capable of telling the difference between someone who’s tipsy and someone who’s drugged out of their mind. I also recognize and respect women who do not want to have sex with me. Futhermore I have enough decency to not stick my penis into unconscious women.
Last but not least I don’t refer to my female friends as “sluts”.
I can’t quite put my finger on it but somwhere between fundamental levels of empathy and basic respect for other human beings must lie a reason why women don’t normally regret having sex with me afterwards and try to cleanse their mind of it with false rape accusations against me.
Concerning the cases of rape I mentioned: Unless you read a different article than I did, Roosh literally says “[…] if done in a dwelling or on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.”
By that definition the cases I mentioned are in perfect accordance with the law.
I’m not saying that those cases are what Roosh advertises but I’m saying that what he advertises renders those cases perfectly legal.
For the record: I have never “used” a “drunken slut”. But your skills in reading comprehension aren’t subject of this debate.
you are a decent guy. Thanks. A woman is going to be very lucky when she is with you. Good job.
Only if she’s a lesbian.
Yes he will make a good dog pet
Why do you assume The12thUnknownMan is white?
Statistics/percentages.
What statistics and percentages?
That dickhead forgot the famous saying about, “lies, damned lies and statistics”.
There is a HUGE difference between the drunk driving and drunk sex scenarios you play out. First off, drinking and getting behind the wheel is a decision made by the intoxicated individual. The only person responsible for what happens there is the driver as there is only one person involved in the crime (people they crash into are victims). When a girl gets drunk to the point where she can’t consent or was manipulated (there’s a reason legal docs get nullified if it’s found the signatures were made while under the influence ), this no longer just one person involved. The basis of the issue is that no one has any right to put their hands on someone else, so to say that it’s a woman’s fault for putting herself in a situation that makes her vulnerable just give the feminist validation when they talk about rape culture. Maybe that’s just how the culture was in your day, gramps, but things were pretty fuckin rapey back then anyway, right?
Rapey as a muthafuckuh, suckling child.
No, not necessarily true. A drunk woman (as that’s the story) can get behind the wheel of a powerful car and could drive it safely to the destination; however, in an interaction with another motorist who may have been driving to the laws of the road could lead the drunk woman to cause an accident because her intoxication prevented her from reacting to the situation unfolding. SHE made the decision to risk her life and others’ by driving drunk.
“First off, drinking and getting behind the wheel is a decision made by the intoxicated individual.”
This is where you say the drunk person has self-agency and has made this choice by their own volition.
“When a girl gets drunk to the point where she can’t consent or was manipulated”
This is where you contradict yourself with the implication that a drunk girl has no agency and makes no choices under her own volition.
Which one is it, mate? A person doesn’t suddenly lose their own self-agency the moment sex becomes involved.
//This is where you say the drunk person has self-agency and has made this choice by their own volition.//
Choosing to do something illegal, yes.
//This is where you contradict yourself with the implication that a drunk girl has no agency and makes no choices under her own volition.//
Not choosing to do anything illegal.
If I get drunk, and wander into a bad neighbourhood…stupid maybe, but if I get beat up and robbed, whoever did it is still the criminal. Being stupid isn’t choosing to get mugged.
If I get so drunk I’m barely able to walk, and some “Good Samaritan” offers to let me come in for a coffee, murders me, and chops me up into little pieces, they’re still the murderer.
If I go to a house party, get drunk, pass out, and the host decides to rape me in my sleep, it really wasn’t me choosing to be raped.
I don’t. That’s why it’s in parenthesis. But the same behaviour is routinely observed in elderly white men here in the west.
According to what, your own limited observation?
I could link you to some newspaper and blog articles but since they’re not in english, odds are you won’t be able to read them anyways.
Why do you think he’s an elderly man?
He said that himself. He’s around 30 years older than me.
That’s true. My mistake. I reread it all.
Still – why do you think he’s white? I know you put it in parenthesis, but you’re thinking it and insinuating that he’s just an old (racist, sexist, white) elderly man who doesn’t get the world (or anything else) and just entertaining.
Wald
He also forgot that it’s by and large young black and muslim guys doing the raping
Oh, so white men never commit rape? Screw you and the psycho who wrote all that sick ,stupid bullshit above. One sick pathetic little man, who feels he’s entitled to women’s bodies, found out he wasn’t, and is throwing a fit about it.
Oh, look, a deflection.
Did someone blaspheme aganst the sacred totems of your narcissism?
Talk about “throwing a fit”, hah!
His behaviour is imho typical for a certain group of people which consists mostly (though not exclusively) of eldery white straight cis-men.
You know, the kind of people who’d say it’s “enough already” with the rights we’ve been giving to women, blacks, gays, transsexuals….
They should be luckily for how good they have it here since in other parts of the world they’ be stoned to death (as if not being stoned to death were somehow an acceptable standard for high quality of live).
People who are so used to their own privileges that the idea of losing them somehow equals oppression in their heads.
Now I’m not saying he’s a racist or homophobe. But judging by his attitude towards women I wouldn’t be surprised if thinks about as highly of gays or trans-people as well.
Sure, some of my points were downright provocative but since he’s provocative – even openly insulting – himself I don’t see any reason to treat him any better in return.
Yes, you ARE a racist.
of course he is racist, everyone is racist if they are not from the same genetic background as you aren’t they? that was sarcasm by the way
Have you heard of “brewers droop”.
It is a mocking term used to describe a situation when a man is so drunk he cannot get a erection.
It is a mocking term one used typically because he is seen as less than a man.
NOTHING in regards to his inability to consent is even considered and in fact his inability to be raped (if we use the same rules on intoxication for men as we do women) is seen as a weakness.
Now lets imagine if instead women’s vaginas dried up and closed up after excess drinking and we had terms like “brewers drought” to describe the effect and considered them not real women due to it.
THEN i would accept we live in a “RAPE CULTURE” targeting women rather than one targeting men.
We live in a rape culture targetting women, because regardless of what the law says, 90% of rape victims are female and 99% of rapists are male. These are the (sad) FACTS, Make of them what you will.
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449454/More-men-raped-US-women-including-prison-sexual-abuse.html
You mean regardless of what evidence says, your precious “proteges” are magically immune to committing rape and men being raped, because they said so on Feminist Dogma Studies.
What a zombie…
Absolutely agreed with you….right up until this.
> White straight cis-men
> privilege
You know, I’m sure that “mostly” painting a demographic with such a wide brush is a popular tactic in certain circles you enjoy, but in society it’s a big no-no.
“His behaviour is imho typical for a certain group of people which consists mostly (though not exclusively) of eldery white straight cis-men.”
So you’re making assumptions based on stereotypes?
Unlike you, he comprehends what he reads. That would be my guess.
This is not your conversation. Go and be pathetic somewhere else.
NO.
As much her conversation as yours.
@jackie
Unlike you he’s not lying about his gender as an attempt to add credence to made up anecdotes. “You had sex with several women” pull the other one treacle.
“I also recognize and respect women who do not want to have sex with me for whatever reason. ”
The drunk girl in question wants to have sex. You are telling men they must reject women who want to have sex with them because they are too drunk which is a traditionalist, paternalistic role with patriarchy written all over it. Women are responsible for their sexual decisions even if they are intoxicated. There is a difference between being wasted and being unconscious. Men and women who get drunk together don’t become rapist if they hook up. Let’s bring this conversation back down to earth instead of having self righteous jerks play moral authority by misrepresenting the arguments of their opponents.
“I can’t quite put my finger on it but somewhere between fundamental levels of empathy and basic respect for other human beings must lie a reason why women don’t normally regret having sex with me afterwards and try to cleanse their mind of it with false rape accusations against me.”
If you think women don’t normally regret sex then you’re fooling yourself. That girl who didn’t want to become too attached or already did may regret hooking up or someone who’s cheating in a monogamous relationship. Turning those regrets into ‘rape’ isn’t justice. We saw that with the Hofstra 5 who were accused of gang rape only to be saved by one taking a cellphone video showing a consenting accuser. She regretted her choices but she wasn’t raped.
So if you get drunk & I shove a cactus up your ass, it’s okay, because you are responsible for being drunk. And it’s okay if i steal your wallet, too, because you are responsible for being drunk. Hope you wear this on a t-shirt to your next kegger.
That’s a fantastic comment!
It was a disgusting comment, & the language is foul, but it needed to be made & it was what he – & everyone who agrees with him – deserved.
Did he ask you to shove a cactus up his ass?
HE GOT DRUNK, DIDN’T HE?
he didn’t. that’s the point.
If I ask you to stick a cactus up my arse, that’s fine. If I don’t , that’s assault.
If I give you my wallet, that’s fine. If you take it, that’s theft.
If I ask you to have sex with me, that’s fine. If I’m passed out, asleep or say no, that’s rape. Regardless of having drinks or not. I think was the original point. Someone can claim rape if it they have been drinking, regardless of consent given, but not if they go driving while drunk. They are always responsible, no matter how drunk.
I hope that’s clear now.
What’s clear is that you didn’t get what I was actually saying, & that you need to address this to the person who prompted my post.
You have a strange idea of what a normal and healthy sexual encounters should look like.
What’s the news here? Bad people exist. People have falsely accused other people of various crimes to gain personal benefits for centuries. It’s unfortunate but it’s not likely to change any time soon. But somehow all you’re concerned is women and in particular women who make false rape accusations.
People are not jailed on hearsay but based on evidence.
Things might be different in this “N. America” so your mileage may vary. Just to give you an idea of what’s going on in the rest of the world: For instance in Germany there was the fairly high-profile case of “Jörg Kachelmann” who was accused of rape by his ex-girlfriend but was ultimately cleared of all charges because of lack of evidence supporting her version of the story.
Everything in your post screams that you’re terrified of women.
It also seems like he’s really expecting an awful lot of women to regret having sex with him so much that they want him CONVICTED. Maybe he should take some of the advice he keeps giving women and make better choices. Stop sleeping with the small minority of women who would lie and lock you up.
“The drunk girl in question wants to have sex. You are telling men they must reject women who want to have sex with them because they are too drunk”
Actually yeah, I mean by law, a person (male or female) can NOT consent to sex while intoxicated. If you are sober, or at least less drunk than someone you are trying to sleep with, maybe you should take the responsibility that whoever it is (male or female) isn’t in the position to make the decision to have sex that night.
A true lady/gentleman would help that drunk ass wash up and get in bed. Then ask them out on a sober date and see where that takes you.
It doesn’t take a damn genius to respect someone in a time of weakness/intoxication. Sleeping with someone that can barely form a coherent sentence, when you are nearly sober, is clearly WRONG and is taking advantage of the victim (again, male or female).
Exactly.
Most people don’t make good decisions when they’re intoxicated, and some men use that as an opportunity to take advantage of a woman and sexually assault her while she’s drunk, knowing that she won’t recall what happened. Let’s be real about that happening too—don’t pretend that it dosen’t.
You have to be wholly shaved with thongs stick in your ass to hope somebody will love you, oh, I am sorry, fuck you! You have to b half naked and boozed at social event, to hope somebody will love you….oops, mistake again.
Everywhere from any media, adds, films, billboards, trains, covers, shirts…. are rolling women appropriate as a sexual objects. Some hundreds times those images go through your brain, and it starts to perceive it as the norm. In our post postmodern times marriage is shrinked to a contract, a moms’ websites are full of chat about food, kid’s activities and how their husbands want a threesome with questions and, wow! a lots of serious advices how it can b done. You cook this meal like that, you do threesome like this….normal.
The men and women are in this equal victims. Women are not loved, but fucked and men never felt the bliss of true love.
Our concern should be who is behind this culture, why and how long. And maybe how much this hormone driven zeigeist is bringing to its creator
I can’t quite put my finger on it but somewhere between fundamental levels of empathy and basic respect for other human beings
Really. It seems that you only show it to one gender. You’re real quick to paint us as the bad guy without understanding us.
If women want to be treated as human being then treat men as human beings. It is that simple. We may not be monsters but we’re not going to get slaughtered either.
The false accusation rate for rape is 60%. The reasons given for this false accusation rate: spite,revenge,even boredom. These are the cases where the accuser deliberately lied. This is from a U.S. Air Force study by Dr. Charles McDowwell. From the book The Myth Of Male Power by Warren Farrell.
That is a lie. The false accusations for rape as no higher than any other crime & most likely lower. 8% max. Stop lying, &, better yet, stop reading quack philosophy.
What do you base your information on? Cite your evidence or shut up. Your choice.
Same to you, cite your sixty percent statistic or shut up. Your choice.
http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php
I guessing cpt justice is basing his/her stats on official research which is widely accepted not one book by a military man with an inferiority complex.
Inferiority complex causes you to look up 1,218 reports of rape made between 1980 and 1984 and find that about a third of them was admittedly made-up, and only 460 had any evidence to support the claims.
Femenists need no such patriachal oppressive constructs to see what they want to see!
The “proven false” or “unfounded” rate is 8%. You can’t say that all false rape accusations have been uncovered, because they didn’t hold up in court/the accuser admitted they were lying/the accused had an alibi/whatever-other-reason, any more than you can say all people accused of and not convicted of rape were not rapists. (And surely you wouldn’t argue that, would you?) The justice system isn’t perfect, even for those who didn’t do anything wrong (see false imprisonment/execution cases since time immemorial). There’s a huge percentage between those “proven false” and those “proven true”, within which it is impossible to know which is which.
Also, that’s only for those accusations that go to law enforcement, and were proven false. We don’t have any reason to believe that all false rape accusations are taken to law enforcement, especially when it’s more difficult to make the accusation stick when dealing with the law, or that all false accusations are proven false. So what about accusations made to schools and in social circles, which can (and do) still ruin people’s livelihoods and reputations?
Should we assume that the percentage (8% at most) of accusations which are proven false (and this is only those PROVEN false, not all which ARE false) when taken to law enforcement, is the same as those that ARE false when less investigation and lower standards are the norm in social circles?
I think not.
(You might want to re-read what I wrote; I’m the one saying that MRA-holes exaggerate)
(You must not understand what I wrote. You’re saying that, at most, the false accusation rate is 8%. I’m saying, that’s only those that go to law enforcement, and are proven false or deemed unfounded. Seriously, re-read what *I* wrote, and you’ll see that I’m criticising EXACTLY what you wrote.)
Oh, I see. Well, you are wrong. Because that’s not what the 8% means. That percentage also includes the ones where they’ve deemed there’s just not enough evidence to try to convict; NOT “all proven false or unfounded”.
So respond to my first comment, and tell me where I’m wrong. Don’t tell me to re-read your comment, which I was clearly addressing. You said 8% at most, I said no, that’s inaccurate. Show me where I’m wrong.
I *just did*. You ignored that, too!
No, you really didn’t. You said, “Well, you’re wrong.” You completely ignored the fact that the 8% number is limited to law enforcement, and does not extend to social circles and college campuses, where the standards of investigation are lower. So, answer this: What makes you think the false accusation rate is as low in social circles and college campuses, as it is in law enforcement, where high standards of investigation are held?
But that aside, let me try to explain this to you. What percent of people accused of rape are convicted? For our purposes, let’s call it 15%. (This number if most likely inaccurate. Substitute whatever the real number is, and take things from there.) So, only 15 out of 100 people accused of rape are actually convicted in court. We can assume that the majority of these people actually committed the crime, but there are probably some who are wrongly convicted. For our purposes, we’ll ignore these people, and assume that everyone convicted actually committed the crime.
And let’s take the number of accusations that are proven false, we’ll call it 10%, just because. (Again, the number doesn’t really matter, and for our purposes, we’ll say this number is only those conclusively proven to be false. I’m just showing the “unknowability” around rape accusations.)
So, we’ve got the number of “proven” “false accusations”, 10 out of 100. Using this, we could say that 90 out of 100 accusations are true, because only this number is proven false. This seems to be what you’re trying to do. But we can do the same thing on the other side.
Here, we’ve got the number of those accused of rape who are convicted, 15 out of 100. Using this, we could say that 85 out of 100 accusations are false, because they are not convicted, and it is not proven that they committed the crime. This is probably grossly inaccurate, but we can’t know, because the crime is so difficult to prove.
So, which do we say is true? Are 90 out of 100 accusations true? or are 85 out of 100 accusations false? Note: This is only for those accusations that go to law enforcement, not those put forward in social or business circles, college campuses, or anywhere else.
You can say that 90 out of 100 accusations are true, because only 10 out of 100 are proven false. But I can say 85 out of 100 accusations are FALSE, because only 15 out of 100 are proven TRUE. Neither of us is correct, because we can’t know if the person accused of the crime is guilty, unless it’s proven. We call that “innocent until proven guilty,” using which, my “85% of rape accusations are false” could be defended. But, AGAIN, the justice system is imperfect, and innocents are convicted, and guilty people walk free.
I don’t know if you understand this yet. I could say that only those convicted committed the crime, just like you’re saying only those accusations which are proven false (or deemed unfounded) are false. It doesn’t work, we can’t know who did and didn’t commit the crime, because we just can’t.
And this is only in law enforcement and the justice system, where there are higher standards of investigation than in social or business circles, or on college campuses, or wherever else accusations are made. An accusation does not have to go to court, and the accused doesn’t have to be convicted, for the accused’s life to be ruined, or irreparably damaged.
So no, I don’t accept the “8%” number, because that’s pretty much the baseline. It’s AT LEAST 2% to 8%; that’s not the maximum number. The maximum number is all those who are accused, but not convicted. The minimum is where it’s proven that they didn’t do it. And in a court system that (correctly) operates on “innocent until proven guilty”, we cannot (and MUST not) assume that anyone who is accused is guilty, if they haven’t been proven as such. It’s damned hard to prove a negative (that the accusation is false), or that something didn’t happen, or that someone didn’t do something; that’s why the burden of proof is on the accuser to prove that something DID happen, or that someone DID do something. Here, they have to prove a rape happened, and that the person accused committed the rape. The accused is not obligated to prove that they didn’t commit the crime, because then everyone would need a constant alibi. Everyone would be guilty until proven innocent, which JUST. DOESN’T. WORK.
You still there?
Still waiting for that evidence, cpt_cuck. If you can’t produce it, you need to shut up and go home.
And you can’t read, either. Or, more likely, won’t. Such a shock. Please hold your breath until I repeat myself for you, boy.
Oh yeah what sort of evidence would you like? Google is an amazing invention for those with a hungry mind. You should consider developing one. If I said water is wet would you need me to cite that too or would you put on you big girl panties and check it out for yourself?
Sorry Cpt Justice, but you are wrong.
“For example, the UCR stipulates that the category “unfounded” is reserved for “a complaint that is determined through investigation to be false or baseless. In other words, no crime occurred. If the investigation shows that no offense occurred nor was attempted, UCR Program procedures dictate that the reported offense must be unfounded . . .”
http://www.icdv.idaho.gov/conference/handouts/False-Allegations.pdf
It’s not that there wasn’t enough evidence, it’s that the evidence shows conclusively that no crime occurred.
Consider 70% don’t even go to the police.
But they go to you, apparently.
and don’t forget the number of rapes which are never reported to the law at all
Of course, let’s not forget about those. It was so difficult to explain to “Cpt_Justice” how their number isn’t accurate when focusing only on the most relevant of factors (and I’m not sure they are convinced, even now), I can only imagine what would happen if we introduced other numbers which aren’t strictly relevant to false allegations. Not strictly relevant to this discussion, but incredibly important in the discussion of rape crimes and justice, as a whole.
Wait, you guys disrespect men as well? I didn’t know that my respect towards men needed confirmation too!
Did I hurt your male ego?
Also “other human beings” includes men too, at least in my book.
I’m not labelling anyone as a bad guy – these morons label themselves as bad guys by repeatedly referring to women as “sluts” or suggesting physical abuse towards women as a solution for their own problems in society.
They’re even proud of it because women are supposedly attracted to bad guys.
I merely call them out for it.
You can have your battles about who has the better statistics with someone else. I seriously don’t have the time for this.
If a woman treats you badly, feel free to walk away from that woman. Feel free to campaign for male issues too. Like real issues – not “women refuse to have sex with me therefore I hate women now!”.
But somehow MRAs are too busy demanding attention for their male egos everytime someone mentions female issues.
I never labelled men as monsters. Don’t execute your concept of a hostile feminist on me. I never said that only men could be sexist or sexism only works in the direction male –> female.
Sexism works in all directions. Male–>female, female–>male, male–>male and female–>female.
But if you think women should be physically abused because they don’t want to fuck you (and some dudes here have more or less literally suggested that) you are – by definition – a sexist, a misogynist, an asshole and all sorts of rotten. Doesn’t matter if you have a penis or not.
You’re a blind fool. Remember the mattress carrying bitch. The man she accused was a male feminist so don’t think you’re safe because you’re not. It would be so funny to watch you get busted and thrown in jail on a false rape charge.
I’m glad to see that you hate me even more than those vile women and their false rape accusations. So much in fact that you’d enjoy seeing me being charged with false rape accusations which you say you dread so much. I couldn’t have exposed you any better myself.
Given how few rapes are ever reported and how few of those reports are false and how even fewer accused rapists are ever prosecuted and punished I think it’s fair to assume I’m safe. Feminist or not.
JackFou – checkmate
you totally won this argument. keep being you. people like you give me hope in humanity <3 xo
sexism is institutionalised. Men may experience predjudice based on their sex, but not sexism as an ingrained societal habit. Mysandry barely exists except in the minds of those poor creatures who are afraid of strong women…e.g, those who get limp members when they can not dominate chicks and those who hate an entire sex for being just that
LIAR.
I pulled this from Stanford’s website:
Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, the same percentage as for other felonies (FBI). So while they do happen, and they are very problematic when they do, people claim that allegations are false far more frequently than they are and far more frequently than for other crimes. Put another way, we are much more likely to disbelieve a woman if she says she was raped than if she says she was robbed, but for no good reason.
On a related note, only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history, and they will be labeled as lunatic, psychotic, paranoid, and manipulative. Just because someone does not report their crime does not mean it did not happen. Furthermore, only one in two claims lead to prosecution, so if the DA decides not to prosecute, that says nothing about whether or not it happened. (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates)
Yes, and most of those false rape cases are ALLEGATIONS (when you said you were raped but doesn’t necessarily accuse anyone), and not actual accusations.
Mate I am sorry but if you believe this shit then your a tit, also its actually between 2 to 8% about the same as any other crime. Your confusing false accusation with lack of conviction.
there is s difference between not enough evidence to prove rape to 12 jurors and an actual non-consentual sex act. Just because 12 men don’t consider having sex with an unconscious woman to be rape, does not mean the woman was not rped
Doesn’t mean she was, either.
yes, actually, if she wS UNCONSCIOUS, THEN SHE COULD NOT GIVE CONSENT. HENCE, RAPE
By definition yes it does. The unconscious cannot consent to sex. Marcus if my friend Greg came over and had sex with your unconscious body would you say fair game because you were unconscious ? Or would you by definition consider it rape?
Can you link me to this 60% statistic?
Absolute rubbish! False reporting of rape varies from 3-8%. EXACTLY THE SAME as false reporting of many other crimes.
You have to have a really sick view of women to believe that there are that many women lying every year, and for what? to be called names in court and ‘benefit’ from the ludicrously low 3% rape conviction?
The way people like you cry about false rape accusations, one would think most rapists go to jail, but the truth is they don’t. Most of them are walking around free..or online defending this kind of thinking..
That is an absolute lie.
False accusation of rape is no where near 60% idiot. No credible stats have ever said that. The military has 16% rapist in the general population so much more rape happens around the military. The military has great incentive to hide the truth about sexual assault. The actual percentage is significantly lower and has been determined through repeated research. Closer to,less than 6% not 60%. The myth of male power ….give me a fucking break. Women routinely suffer huge backlash for reporting rape which is why close to 70% never do. The overwhelming percentage of rapes go unpunished with less than 3% of rapists doing a day in jail. Prosecutors admit that since the creation of sex offender lists they are 48% less likely to even charge with rape because they feel the lists are ” too punitive ” . If you are so afraid of women then please stay the hell away from us at all times not required for work. My god you Mgtow men are a bunch of whiney children. Stop defining your masculinity by your relationships with us, stop trying to control us and do something productive with your own lives. Stop obsessing with controlling us. Are your lives so devoid of meaning?
http://www.cotwa.info/p/false-rape-allegations-assault-on.html
Obsessively conjuring up images of omnipresent, invisible persecution to rationalize calls for control and policing is a well-known manifestation of the narcisstic personality disorder.
Psychological projection: the case study.
no one should make false reports on anyone.. but the 60% is wrong.. still i dont see why your defending rape? If women want to be treated as human being then treat men as human beings. no matter how your treated raping..hitting ect.. is not acceptable.
the irony, you moron, is that most feminists outraged by Roosh’s article would say an intoxicated woman CANNOT give consent, so you raped those women. I don’t think you’re aware of what kind of insanity modern North American feminists are up to.
You mean those crazy “feminazis” from your nightmares? Yeah, I don’t really believe you that they actually exist in relevant numbers. I have yet to meet a single one.
Good for me I’m not living in North America, hu?
“My point was that the mere involvement of alcohol doesn’t turn sex into rape no matter what certain people may claim.”
Better tell that to the North American feminists that Roosh is referring to.
They would consider you are rapist.
Ha, please don’t try to speak for North American feminists or any other type of feminist. It would be an extremely small and very irrational percentage of them who would make such a claim. Sex after a couple or even a few drinks is one of life’s great pleasures. The issue is anyone taking advantage of someone who is clearly drunk—slurring, not able to make sound decisions, not in control of their physical and mental faculties.
Ever heard of Astro-turfing?
Yes, it takes an “outraged feminist”: to point out the obvious, & they get to be called “insane” for it. I suggest you get someone drunk & then have them sign a legal contract, & see how far it gets you when you insist in court that *he* was drunk, so it’s *his* fault if he doesn’t like the terms.
Captain Justice white knight extrodinaire.
Your sexism is almost cute. Almost.
JackFou already explained this to you. there is a difference between tipsy and obliterated. i am a feminist, and i just did a consensus of my female roomates (not all of them consider themselves as feminist necessarily) and we all agree, a woman who’s drunk can give consent, but taking advantage of a woman who’s falling all over herself, ready to pass out is completely different. if you hate feminists so much, just stick to women in the MRA scene, they are out there. There is no need for hostility and paranoia towards people you may not agree with.
except you forced sex onto a woman incapable of giving consent and how, pray tell, is that NOT rape? If someone drugged you and stole your wallet is that not robbery? why is it that you think the woman has to be responsible for YOUR actions when you choose to force your penis into her body?
The difference is between drinking and voluntarily becoming intoxicated vs being drugged by someone, so it’s not a great analogy. That said, the responsibility is the same. To me, getting really drunk in an environment where there are likely to be rapists isn’t a very good idea. However, that doesn’t transfer any moral responsibility to the victim. I would recommend staying away from situations like that, but that is because of the sad truth that there are people who will take advantage of the opportunity to rape someone who is barely conscious or passed out. Bottom line: people should be able to get really drunk, pass out, and not be raped ever. The responsibility is on the rapist completely. I would recommend not, for example, getting really drunk at some fraternity party because these sorts of things are likely to happen there. However, someone who chooses to do so anyway STILL bears no responsibility for the actions of others. It really doesn’t matter to me what someone did to supposedly put themselves in a position where they were more likely to be raped, because the bottom line is that people should not be raped. End of story.
In the near term, “teaching men not to rape” is not going to be a successful strategy alone. There will need to be some major changes in our society as we slowly dismantle the cultural patterns of thought (often referred to as “rape culture” or “the patriarchy”, although I don’t think either of these names describes the concepts that they refer to very well) that create an environment in which sexism can fester. Once we get that worked out (probably at least over 100 years from now) we can be successful at nearly eliminating people from committing rape in the first place.
However, we’re stuck in the present with all of its associated trappings of gender roles that are extremely harmful to both men and women. Teaching people to avoid situations where they are more likely to be raped is a good solution in the mean time. You still have the right to pass out drunk and not be raped, though. The problem is that people will not respect your human rights. We can try to get people to avoid these situations and have no blame at all for victims who are raped in these situations at the same time. There are some small-minded people around who don’t understand the distinction (take a look around this site) but it is an important one.
Finally, I think we need to be more specific about whether or not someone can consent at a given level of intoxication. Alcohol is a mind-altering drug that blocks neurotransmitters. It lowers inhibition, which by definition makes people more likely to agree to something that they would not if they were not under the influence of a mind-altering drug. That said, there are huge numbers of people who have sex with alcohol in their systems and I’m not about to start labeling them all as rapists. How do we decide? I have no idea. Obviously someone who can’t walk, is barely conscious, or unconscious cannot give consent. What about someone who is moderately drunk and could not safely drive, but is still pretty lucid and can form complete thoughts and understand the thoughts of others? I don’t know. Someone who is “buzzed” and could not safely drive but isn’t as drunk? I would be inclined to say that this person is capable of giving consent, but I’d ideally like to see some more research on this subject with MRI scans and laboratory studies and things.
The context of the situation also matters. There is a difference between someone who goes to a party and attempts to get people really drunk so that they will have sex with them, and people who, say, have a couple of glasses of wine and decide to have sex. (These are pretty stereotypical examples, but I hope that they get the point across. Might the relationship status or history of mutual sexual encounters change the level of drunkenness required for consent? I don’t know. I suppose that, while sober, you could also give blanket consent to sexual activity while intoxicated with a specific person, although this would be more complex. It could also vary based on level of intoxication or involve agreement on what sexual activities are given blanket consent and what is not.
In any case when unsure sure of someone’s ability to give consent, I would be inclined to postpone sexual activity until communication while no longer intoxicated. So you didn’t have sex with some person at a specific time even though you could have? Big deal. Having sex with someone who would not have consented while sober and feels violated? Very bad. You could always wait until later. If they still want to have sex while sober, then great, go for it. If they don’t, it’s also a good situation because you didn’t do anything together that they didn’t want to. Even as a guy, I think I would have a lot of respect for someone who opted not to engage in sexual activity while I was unable to give consent, even if I would have consented anyway while not intoxicated. It would show that she valued me as a human being and not just some sex object.
By your own definition, you have, you just throw the dart and then draw the bullseye around it.
You admit to alleged penerative sexual interaction with an inebriated/drugged person, and subjectively determine that “it’s cool” because *you* decided that your victim was sober enough to consent, and then you justify yourself by your claim that no rape allegations have been submitted against you, yet.
At the same time, you admit that you, too, were inebriated or drugged at the time of the alleged incident (and interestingly omitted to mention whether or not you were “horny”, which if you were, means your judgement is impaired further).
Obviously I now pity you immensely, young fool, for your end shall clearly be STDs and/or rape allegations.
Will you help start a new org. for victims like you called: PADOARF – Persons Against Drunk or Alchohol Related Fornication?
Since you didn’t immediately catch my drift, I explained in my subsequent post what I meant be having sex while drunk or otherwise intoxicated.
It speaks volumes about who you are as a person that after hearing “drunk sex” apparently you picture me having sex with some “drunken slut” in a nightclub since you predict my “end” to be STDs and/or rape accusations.
This is not what I consider normal and healthy sexual encounters and this is not the kind of sex I desire either.
I prefer to sleep with women who want me as much as I want them.
Just to be clear about the point I was trying to make:
You painted a picture of evil women who get deliberately intoxicated, subsequently have sex with someone while intoxicated, end up regretting it the next day and accuse last night’s sex partner of rape.
My response was that this doesn’t happen nearly as often as you make it out to be based on my own experience and the experience of the people around me.
To round this up I even presented you evidence of “Mr. Roosh” himself saying that this doesn’t happen nearly as often as MRAs/you are saying it does.
You are so afraid of men being wrongly accused of rape that you’d rather live in a world where all women live in constant fear of being raped.
You want women to be held responsible for being raped but you’re infuriated by the idea of men being held responsible for being accused of rape.
You don’t care about women, you don’t care about equal rights, you don’t care about justice – you only care about yourself. You’re a selfish hypocrite – along with Roosh and his ilk.
I pitty you, old man, for your end will be bitter and lonely.
‘I prefer to sleep with women who want me as much as I want them.’
And this is key.
Most anti-feminists and MRAs are just creeps fighting for the right to have sex with unwilling women.
Except for the fact that Roosh is not an MRA and nor are these return of kings people. Roosh and Return of Kings have claimed they are not MRAs over and over. MRAs have stated over and over that they are not connected to them either. Why in the bloody fuck do you people refuse to accept this? What do two opposing anti-feminist views have to gain in lying about their affiliation with one another? Nothing.
In fact, MRAs are hated by these people because they consider us “pussies” and simps for not taking a male chauvinist stance. Many MRAs are women. The most famous MRA on Youtube is a woman, for fucks sake.
MRAs do not want rape to be legal, you fucking liar. They just want men and boys to be treated as fair as women and girls, and to have the same rights as women, like genital autonomy, for example, the most basic human right of all. I dare you to actually ask a real MRA what their views are. In the meantime, you won’t find an accurate depiction of MRA goals from feminist sources. The only crime MRAs have ever commited is challenging the 3rd wave feminist narrative and daring to have compasson for men and boys.
In the meantime, strawman arguments are tacky as fuck. Apparently, lying and strawmanning is a feminist tradition. Actually facing your movement’s logical fallacies, lies and harm to men and boys is just too difficult, it seems.
By and large men are not being harmed by false rape accusations. Men are not being harmed by credible rape accusations. Universities, high schools, coaches , employers readily come to the defense of men accused of rape and bully the women/ girls into shutting up. Men still sit in a place of privilege in this country and many / most resent women and are hostile to any attempts we make at body autonomy.
Women still being harmed and silenced. Men and boys still getting away with rape. No improvement in rape convictions in my lifetime and rates of rape increasing with a greater percentage of men raping than twenty years ago. The conversation of rape isn’t equal to men being harmed.
http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/duke_lacrosse.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10934144/Oxford-Union-rape-victim-knew-her-claim-was-false.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1280926/Student-cleared-rape-emerges-second-man-committed-suicide-falsely-accused-woman.html
http://www.cotwa.info/2014/03/16-year-old-commits-suicide-after-being.html
http://madworldnews.com/womans-lies-rape/
https://reason.com/blog/2015/06/11/amherst-student-was-expelled-for-rape-bu
Some colourful illustrations of what your sociopathic victimhood complex has wrought.
Not that a deranged identity jihadist like you are swayed by trivialities like “reality”.
except we both know that Roosh v started return of kings for the solepurpose of denigrating women and forcing sex and violence on the unwilling
UH OH!
Jack is a racist.
And a rapist apparently…
How do you know it she is just tipsy or just a little bit more than tipsy?
Do you have professional training?
Or do you carry a breathalyzer on dates?
Uh oh! Juanita is a masculinist troll. Between a decent and respectful man and sexist douchebags, she prefers the last ones. No woman ever! This is masochism. Try have a drink with these men venting about “drunken sluts”.
The problem is that you may think she is sober enough but that is not your decision to make and the next day you admitting that she was clearly tipsy but not drugged out of her mind would get you convicted should she decide to accuse you of rape.
You admitting that she was noticeably under the influence of alcohol makes you a rapist nowadays.
and so it should if you force your penis into her body
Where to begin…
If you had sex with a girl and she had more than the legal driving limit BAC then you raped her, according to 3rd wave feminists. Whether she reported it or not is irrelevant. You are a rapist.
Also, the fact that you have had sex with women and not falsely accused of rape doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen anywhere. It just means it hasn’t happened to you.
I think what Douche V is trying to say is that women seem to bear no responsibility for anything having to do with rape insomuch as they do things that will blatantly put themselves in danger and still get to play the victim card to full effect.
If I walk down an alley in the poorest part of town with $100 bills taped to my jacket and I get robbed, it is clearly immoral that I was robbed, a law was broken and I was a victim of the robbery. I am also stupid for placing myself in that situation.
That is not to say I deserved to get robbed or that women ever deserve to be raped, they don’t. It is to say that as a person you always bear responsibility for your own safety and should always take steps to lessen your exposure to bad things happening because there will always be people who just don’t care about the law and can’t control their impulses. We refer to them as criminals. They will rob you if you give them a reasonable chance and they will rape you if you give them a reasonable chance. It’s up to you to not give them that chance.
If you can’t get what feminists say then don’t talk about what feminists mean. Rape is when a girl DIDN’T WANT IT and wasn’t able to express it while been used against her will. If she wants it, she won’t report it.
Jeez, it’s so simple but some men just plug their ears when consent is being explained.
Part of the problem is feminists say a lot of different things.
Your definition might suffice for some, but there is an abundance of feminist literature that states that if a woman is legally intoxicated (too drunk to drive) she cannot give consent. At the point of being too drunk to drive, she is going to be feeling fine and may very well say yes, but the literature is quite explicit when it says that even if she says yes, she cannot give consent because she is drunk.
Curiously, she would be held accountable for her actions had she gotten behind the wheel and been in an accident in that state.
Feminists cannot create a consensus among themselves.
But even your definition has some pretty serious pitfalls.
How are you defining “unable to express it”? If she verbally says yes because she feels kind of guilty about the fabulously expensive date she just had but really feels no, is that rape? If so, how is a man to make that determination? What if she was on the fence at the time? If she cannot express that she doesn’t want it because at the time, she isn’t sure she doesn’t but after the fact realizes she didn’t want it; is that rape?
Daniel Tosh put it best (forgive me, Daniel, if I don’t get the bit 100% verbatim):
“There’s no excuse for domestic violence.” It sounds like a challenge. I mean, does everything have to be so black-and-white in this kindergarten country of ours? What if you come home from a long day at work and your wife has drowned two of your kids – she’s about to dunk the third one. Can you run over and pop her then? “Unfortunately no, there’s no excuse. You’re going to have to let her drown that third one.” What if you are watching the game and she makes you a sandwich, but puts way too much mayo on it and not enough cheese. Can you hit her then? All I am saying is that there is a grey area.
Even rape has grey areas. Some things are obviously rape. Some are not. Some depend on what level of feminism you subscribe to.
GETTING RAPED isn’t a crime; mowing people down while drunk is.
Would you blame a drunk person getting run over while crossing the street instead of the driver?
How’s about you just not have sex if you’re not sure the woman is sober enough? That way everyone wins.
Rediculous comparison everyone would agree that physically intervening in a child murder is acceptable. Hitting someone for making an imperfect sandwich is not. Rape doesn’t have grey areas. If women consent they consent even if they are doing so out of guilt. It’s not consent if done out of coercion . You seem to not to be able to understand logic. Women aren’t reporting rape because they regret their choices. They do so when they were coerced. She may regret her choice but she chose it. Stop being a fucking whiner. if you don’t understand concent then stop trying to have sex with Women. It sounds way over your head
The problem would lie in your definition of coercion. If I lay a guilt trip on you and you decide to give in and have sex with me, that is a former of coercion. But it is also your choice.
Many 3rd wave feminists would say that consent given out of guilt is not consent and the resulting sex would be rape.
You seem to be unaware that our positions are not that far off from each other.
Make sure to have two lawyers every bedroom so they can testify that you have indeed given written consent to being fondled.
Authoritarian zombies like you are not good at understandig anything about human life.
except of course you are trying to hold her responsible for the actions of the man raping her.
No. She is responsible to take reasonable steps to ensure her own safety. A criminal is responsible for their own crime.
The grey area is in how you are defining the crime itself. The definition put forth by many 3rd wave feminists tries to absolve women of all responsibility for their actions.
That isn’t to say a woman is responsible for getting raped, but in terms of the example I cited earlier, if a woman has a few drinks and is fully coherent, but intoxicated by legal driving standards, and agrees to have sex, she is responsible for giving that consent. Calling it rape after the fact by invoking an “I was drinking” defense is not reasonable and the act should not be defined as rape. 3rd wave feminists would generally disagree.
Women are responsible for rape, if they rape someone. It’s pretty simple.
If you’re going to use the stupid “vaginas are like money and can therefore be taken” analogy then let’s go with it: mugging/theft is now legal in the “bad part of town.” so if you walk through and get mugged, you’re sol. Is that a good solution to stop people from getting mugged?
OR, should the law protect our persons and property no matter where we are?
You should go back and re-read what I wrote.
The law already protects you from being robbed or raped. However, much like you should take reasonable proactive steps to protect yourself from getting mugged , you should also take reasonable proactive steps to protect yourself from getting raped.
The law only works to hold offenders responsible after the fact. Taking steps to protect yourself is an effort at prevention as it is far better to not get raped or mugged, than getting raped or mugged and sending the guilty party to jail.
If you really think you need to tell women to try and protect themselves from rape as though they don’t already, you’re living in an alternate universe.
The problem is that all these precautions DON’T WORK.
And that’s partly because some of them aren’t even accurate.
Rapists have reported that they target women with long hair but not women in short skirts. So how come women are constantly told to cover up, but never told to get a buzz cut which makes them harder to grab by the head and thus ACTUALLY SAFER?
Is it because society is more concerned with maintaining conventional beauty standards than women’s safety?
Most of the advice given to women isn’t geared at making women safe from rape. it’s geared at making women RESPONSIBLE when the rape occurs.
Well then let’s use that logic. If a woman falsely accused you of rape the. It must be your fault because you didn’t do enough to protect yourself from the false accusation clearly. You didn’t chose a safe woman to spend time with. You didn’t take the time to asses her character before putting yourself in harms way by being alone with her. Clearly you men need to consider your conduct better and take more responsibility for not protecting yourself from dangerous women who cry rape. Why did t you take your security more seriously? We’re you asking to have a false rape charge brought against you? We’re you not clear enough about your intention not to rape?
Yes! Now you are getting it.
So, if I am making my moves and she is saying no no no, but I misinterpret that and think she is still into it but playing a game, I am an idiot and leave myself open to being accused of rape.
When the details of that come out, how she said no on 6 different occasions and still I continued, then I will be judged accordingly because the signs were there but I was too stupid to read/accept something as overt as ‘no’. That’s my fault and I committed a crime.
The word “reasonable” must be untranslatable to femenist-speak.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/10/14/rethink-harvard-sexual-harassment-policy/HFDDiZN7nU2UwuUuWMnqbM/story.html
Also, femenists already use this kind of reasoning, so there’s your psychological projection again.
Hence why today’s youth is giving up on women. Hysteria is not something they want in their lives.
A woman’s body, isn’t a $100 dollar bill.
You can leave your money at home or in the bank. When a woman can do the same with her genitals, get back to me, till then, your example makes no sense.
Why be so obtuse? You give the appearance of not understanding the concept of having any personal responsibility for one’s own safety whatsoever.
There will always be people who, regardless of what you do, will commit crimes. Rape is included in that. It doesn’t matter what you say or do to them, they are going to do what they are going to do. That is why we have prisons.
It is in your best interests to take steps to reduce your risk of being affected by those people. If you do something that increases the likelihood that something happens to you then you are irresponsible.
For example, if you were to go out drinking , get all flirty and go back to Rooshv’s house at 3am, you are acting irresponsibly. You have been to his site, he is practically a Rapemaster 5000 machine. Does it absolve him of anything if he raped you? No, of course not but you are stupid to place yourself in that situation in the first place.
So if a woman dates a guy and they’ve gone out 4 times and he asks her if she wants to come back to his place and watch a movie and have a drink, she feels she knows him well enough to do that, you’re saying she is stupid for trusting him and going back to his place for movies after 4 previous dates? I think the fault is on the guy if he takes advantage of that and rapes her and the woman was an innocent victim. who shares no blame for trusting her date.
What you describe is a messy grey area. If he is inviting her to his place for a movie and drinks she has to prepare herself for at least the possibility of him asking for sex and if she is not open to that at all, it’s pretty dumb to go there instead of somewhere public.
If she goes and he ends up raping her, she is still the victim. Doing stupid things doesn’t make it OK for someone to commit a crime against you. However people will judge you based on the level of care you took to ensure your own safety.
If she had no intention of having sex with him and decided to show up to his house wearing a skin tight dress that barely reached from button to boobs and thigh high stockings then she is an idiot. If she does that and gets raped, she is still an idiot for not being reasonably responsible for her own safety but also a victim of a crime.
why does what she is wearing have any influence on whether she is raped or not if she does not want sex. seriously what is it with men and their idea that a woman’s clothing choice makes it ok to rape her? by that method if someone sees the outline of your wallet they should be allowed to rob you
I do not think that rapists think what they are doing is OK. Otherwise they would be doing more of it and in more obvious places.
It becomes a question of impulses. Avoid displaying things that criminals might want and you lessen your chances of having them try to take it from you.
At no point anywhere have I said, suggested or hinted that someone should be allowed to rape or rob you. Re-read where you think I said that.
Are you really that obtuse that you don’t think women are acutely aware of how much they are at risk of being raped? Yet we still want to,live our lives and spend time with people we know. Good friend of mine was raped during a chess tournament. Should she not have competed? Should that girl raped at a school near me not have gone to school. You don’t understand the innocent situations many women are raped in.
No, Caroline, I do understand. You have read enough of my comments as you stalked me through this comment section to understand what I am saying.
There are behaviors and activities that potentially make you more likely to be raped. Avoid placing yourself in those situations. If you do not, be prepared for people to judge your actions accordingly.
On the face of it, your friend at the chess tournament would garner a lot of sympathy because typically chess tournaments are not very rapey. If it was an all-night strip chess tournament hosted by a bar in the worst part of town, she would have gotten less sympathy, even though both times she would have been the victim of rape.
wrong! a woman should be able to walk down the street drunk and naked and not expect some creep to crawl out of the gutter and put his hands on her body without her permission. the fact that you don’t get this is beyond stupid. the fact that you think that a woman should be alone with a guy and not expect sex is just sad and again stupid. just because you want sex does not mean she has to give it to you because she is alone with you, any more than you would expect her to bash your brains out with an axe for the same reason.
I don’t think you quite get it.
Do you actually think the world is a safe, peaceful place… where nothing bad ever happens?
Your statement might ring true if this were the case but it’s not. Bad people exist, and guess what, they do bad things.
Rape is one of them.
It’s very naive to think along the lines of “It’s safe to get smash drunk and walk down the street naked” – it’s not safe (or smart) for anyone, regardless of being a man or a woman. So no, you “shouldn’t” be allowed to do that – not if it’s in the interest of your safety and wellbeing. Aside from the fact it’s being a public nuisance and indecent exposure.
Take out the raging feminist propaganda and try using rational logic instead to assess the arguments and you’ll see how ludicrous those kind of statements sound. One might say, beyond stupid.
Wow Judy, that’s pretty retarded.
Where you went wrong is using the word ‘should’. She should be able to walk down the street drunk and naked and nothing happens to her, just like I should be able to leave my life savings on my front lawn and have no one take it. She shouldn’t get raped. I shouldn’t get robbed.
However, the world we live in is populated by a certain percentage of people who don’t give a shot what should be.
The person who might not be inclined to break into my house and take my life savings may be inclined to take it if it is easy to access and no one to stop them. It would still be a crime but I obviously should be taking better care of my money.
The same could be said of a woman walking the streets drunk and naked. She shouldn’t get raped, but understanding that there are men out there that would take advantage of that makes the act of walking down the street drunk and naked seem pretty irresponsible and flat out stupid.
But you don’t bear the responsibility of getting robbed. That’s the point. The responsibility is on the perpetrator. This man, Roosh, if he even deserves to be called a man, is suggesting that a women even entering a room on private property is reason enough to rape her. If she was “responsible” she would sit in her locked house and keep all men away. He compares her protecting herself like she would protect her phone or her purse, but neglects to realize that if you get your phone stolen on private property, it’s still THEFT. It’s not legal to take someone’s shit if they’re drunk at your house. It’s not legal to have sex with someone without their consent, and if you have any doubt as to their sobriety or their consent, it is your responsibility to NOT HAVE SEX with them.
In case there is any confusion – I think Roosh is anot idiot using internet to turns shocking views into an income. Total sham.
That being said, women have a few drinks verbally consent to secure and then claim it was rape because they had a few drinks. Being legally intoxicated doesn’t absolve you of your actions if you are driving and doesn’t absolve you of your actions if you give someone consent to have sex. My god, if that were the case and the guy had been drinking then it would be a double rape.
How do you think it would play out if men started reporting being raped because they had sec while legally intoxicated and we’re unable to give consent?
Now if you are passed out because you drank too much, there is no circumstance that should allow sex to legally take place, even if consent was previously given. There should always be an avenue to withdraw consent.
You are not stating fact. Very few rape accusations are false. The assertion you are making that women claim rape because they had a few beers is not what is happening and is in no way representative of reality. It just isn’t. 70% of rapes aren’t being reported. Of the 30% that are less than 3% of those are false. Of all the rapes happening less than 3% of rapists do a day in jail. The overwhelming majority of rapes that are reported are being charged with lesser crimes like simple assault. You are not in touch with the realities of rape. Women commenting to sex and then charging with rape because they regret the sex is happening to a statistically INSIGNIFICANT number of times yet it is all you are focusing on. Try to look at the actual numbers and facts. Grow the fuck up. The average serial rapist will rape 300 times over the course of a lifetime. This is a huge problem for women and you are trivializing it. You are focusing on a statically insignificant event. Stop justifying rape.
Follow the actual discussion Caroline, not the one going on in your head.
Sorry if using numbers and big words confused you. There are many online dictionaries which can help you. I also recommend your local,library. Many hold literacy classes that are free. Best of luck increasing your reading comprehension.
for the actual discussion you are claiming that the woman is responsible because a guy rapes her, you are victim blaming. you are saying that she is responsible for his actins as well as hers/ when she is driving she is at fault when she is being raped HE is at fault so stop with those two comparisonsit snot only wrong to do its just stupid
No. No. No.
Quote for me the words where I say she is responsible for her actions.
Seriously, stop responding to arguments you think I am making, respond to what I am actually saying.
Women get no perks for ” playing the victim card” women get retaliation. Women clearly are stupid for putting themselves in the company of any men according to,you. Women should be able to be in the company of men they know without fear of rape. What you are saying is that women need to be ready to be attacked by every single man they know whether it’s a friend , family member, employer, professor, neighborhood cop or whatever. What you are saying is that all men will rape given the opportunity. When does rape get to be about men’s behavior and not women’s. All this talk of women taking responsibility and not one fucking word about men taking responsibility . Grow the fuck up. Most rape is the result of me. Known to the victim where a sense of trust should be expected. Stop defending me. As being incapable of not raping.
Why is nearly everything in your argument an absolute to the point of ridiculousness? At what point did i say all men will rape given the opportunity? Nothing in my argument is an absolute. You need to calm down if you actually want to have a rational discussion.
Your focus on discussing rape is to blame women for not being careful enough. That seems to be your argument. The epitome of rediculous. Your only response to my pointing our your victim blaming is tone policing. What you are admitting is that rape is common. Men blame women for their rapes occurring and the the fact that men rape is so obvious they should be aware of this fact everytime they are in male company. That is exactly what you said in your previous comment. If your only response is to tone police and back peddle why don’t you save us both time and shut up. No useful response from you. Victim blaming isn’t a unique and new response. It’s as old as time. Women are sick of your victim blaming. Go away.
No, Caroline, I am saying that women need to be careful. They have a responsibility to protect themselves as best they can. When they don’t, public opinion will shift and rightfully so.
Take 2 examples: Bill Cosby and Jian Ghomeshi. Both public figures accused of sexual assault.
The first accuser coming up for Cosby describes how he drugged her into a state of partial consciousness and raped her. No one expects the world famous actor in his 60’spare to be slipping you drugs and raping you. Lots of sympathy there for her.
The first accuser in the Ghomeshi trial said he pulled her hair while making out on a date and it hurt. A few days later on a different date, she went to his house where they started making out again and her pulled her hair again and hit her in the head. Only problem is she keeps sending him emails, flirting with him, asking him to call her and sends a pic of herself in a bikini to him.
Is what Ghomeshi did serial assault? You can certainly make the argument. You can even say she was willing to forgive the first incident as something he thought she might like but didn’t. She appeared to be interested in sex when they were making out in his home, up until he started doing things she did not sign up for and she left. Good for her! Better safe than sorry at that point.
Except, she kept communicating with him and flirting with him. Her public sympathy dried up when that detail came out. Why? Because that is totally irresponsible behavior on her part.
You are fixated on me blaming the victim. I am not. But SOME victims are idiots who place themselves in bad situations and I have less sympathy for that than your chess club friend.
No, you are making the woman responsible for the actions of the man. women should not have to be wary in the presence of any man. they should not expect to be raped but you are insisting we mustyou are saying that women are asking to be raped for daring to leave the house if there are men on the street
No Judy. You are staying that, not me.
I am saying that regardless of anything else, a woman needs to take reasonable proactive steps to ensure her own safety, just like anyone else anywhere in society doing anything. That something shouldn’t happen is not an absolution for not taking steps to protect yourself.
Pure awesomeness right here.
I’m a 30 yr old girl and I agree with the 12th unknown. I have known several girls who pull the he raped me after drunkenly cheating. I have known guys accuse of “forcing their will upon chicks who were drunk” both I know to be untrue in the circumstances but a good way to get out if it and save face if youre caught cheating. I’m tired of feminists shoving their “equality” bullshit down my throat. It’s not equality because nobody cares about protecting men’s rights. Women often treat men as pieces of meat “eye candy” grab their asses make unwanted advances but God forbid the table be turned. If a guy woke up the next morning and went oh god what did I do! She raped me nobody would believe it and laugh at him, yet he did not form consent. My parents taught me to respect myself and my body and don’t put myself in questionable company.
Your parents lied to you if you think self respect is going to protect you from criminals.
Avoiding rape is mostly luck
( Self defence classes may help, but again, no one’s suggesting mandatory self defence for women…I wonder why?)
Women get raped by intruders climbing into their window at night and this lowlife would make that LEGAL.
This is what you’re defending?
Stop picking up married women! I don’t know of any case where this happened and I know the people I ran around with were having lots of sex.
Try being a woman and not a girl. When women are charged with raping teen boys and men they end up getting twice the sentence of the average male raping a teen. Men’s rights are well protected. As a result less than 3% of rapists do a day in jail. Men’s rights are well protected. When you grow up and stop calling yourself a girl we will take you more seriously
Way to be judgemental of your sisters who haven’t had your luck. A good friend of mine was raped during a chess tournament . Was she in questionable company? One friend raped during a church retreat. Was that questionable company? Another raped in the hospital after surgery . Was that questionable company? What about a friend raped by a teacher at an expensive private school. Bad choice for her to attend. You are trying to make yourself feel safe by telling yourself only ” bad women ” get raped. You aren’t safe with that assumption.
how a bout the 9 year old who was gang raped while walking in the field near her house? did she do something to deserve that? How about Victoria Stafford? did she deserve to be raped and murdered after being taken from the school yard? was she asking for it?
Consider yourself in the situation whereby you had consensual sex with a woman who was drunk or stoned, because you said that you’re capable of deciding if the woman is either tipsy or drugged out of their mind; at the time you considered that she was capable of making that decision. How, then, would you feel if the following morning the woman regrets her actions and decides to accuse you of raping her and taking advantage of her drunken disposition regardless of how little she’d consumed?
I’m in no way agreeing with the original poster but in the UK we are hearing more and more reports such as these, and one has to wonder whether the woman is genuine or not.
In my youth, this scenario was played out many times after I was picked up by a girl in a nightclub. I was always sober as I was usually driving but invariably the woman was pissed; clearly she must have been to make advances toward me!
It fills me with fear that on any of those occasions I could have been accused of rape just because of morning-after remorse!
If you’re sober and routinely having sex with drunk, stoned women or men, odds are good that you’ve had sex with someone who was not self aware enough to consent.
I would avoid such risks in the future. if I were you.
You are focusing on a statistically insignificant rape accusation. Rare that such a thing would happen. Seriously rare. Stop,having sex with drunk women. If they aren’t sober enough to consent then you are rapinfg her. If you are worried about it then you shouldn’t be doing it.
tsk tsk…racism…
Well, that theory sucks, because someone invaded my home and raped ME. I assure you, that experience was non-consensual in any way.
Me too and my children were in my bed with me at the time
Thank you! I’ll probably be kicked out now put thanks for putting this stupid article into place.
But the argument being presented today isn’t that sex with an unconscious woman is rape, it is that consensual sex with a conscious woman is rape if she has had ANYTHING TO DRINK. Like you said yourself, you have done the same MANY times, so you should see the absurdity of considering that rape, but that is in fact what is being taught in high schools and colleges now. This is an attack on the human right to be secure from being falsely convicted of a crime. Roosh’s piece is a satirical exercise in inverting the above logic in order to illustrate this absurdity. He says rape is wrong about 20 times in the piece, but still you don’t want to admit that advocating the legalization of rape is satirical. Seems like intellectual dwarfism to me.
and I’ve been intimate with countless broads,<<< theres that respect for ya,,, hookers dont count.
Neither do inflatable women count.
hookers count if they don’t consent
if a hooker goes with a guy.. shes pretty consenting.
but when the guy grabs her off the street and beats her and forces her , its rape whether she is a hooker or not, see, SHE gets to say who she has sex with. that is the part you fucktards don’t get. SHE must consent, and that roosh guy doesn’t get consent or ask for it and most of his followers don’t either. you all think “cock or walk” is consent when you take a woman out into the middle of nowhere and demand sex. and that is rape as well.
“Broads”. Your confession is noted.
Dames, dolls, babes, girls, etc.
Your manginaesque faggotry is noted.
You didn’t need to prove that you are a homophobic bigot as well as a sexist one; that much self-loathing was obvious by your other posts.
Dude,you’re totally gay.
Is there something wrong with being gay?
Yes, the sexual orientation
What’s wrong with it? How does it affect you?
It’s a problem because it’s against God’s will period! If homosexuality is acceptable then so is prostututiom, adultery, glutney, ect…… It only affects straight people when the gay community insist on forcing us people to support their choice. I personally don’t have anything against gay people but I don’t agree with the lifestyle that’s all.
I didn’t ask for your approval when I got married, and neither will a gay person. Your approval simply isn’t needed by anyone.
And stick your “god” where the sun don’t shine. I don’t have to bow to your god.
Calm down! You asked I answered, have some class and I don’t stick things where the sun don’t shine cupcake that’s your job!!!
no, you showed your ignorance and bigotry in a very hateful manner and like she said stick your god where the sun don’t shine
Calm down! You asked I answered, have some class and I don’t stick things where the sun don’t shine cupcake that’s your job!!!
Because your answer was BS, that’s why. Nobody freaking NEEDS your approval, or that of your imaginary friend.
When I ask a legitimate question, I expect a factual answer. Not “god” nonsense. Nobody cares what your OR your god thinks. Try answering the question that was asked. Not the one you wish to answer.
God is a factual answer. You just didn’t like the answer. Millions base their belief system off of religion. You asked him his beliefs he told you, if you don’t want to know then don’t ask next time.
I don’t care about his religious beliefs. Those do not constitute harm done to him when a gay couple marries.
As far as “god” being a factual answer, I would ask for evidence. I don’t care if anyone believes in supernatural beings. That’s their business, not mine. Also their problem, and not mine. If a person believes “god” would be offended by an action, then that person shouldn’t do that action. That has nothing to do with what another person does.
In other words, mind your own business, and let your “god” mind his own business.
“I don’t care about his sexual orientation. That does not constitute harm done to him when Christians practice their religion. As far as “there is no God” being a factual answer, I would ask for evidence. I don’t care if anyone doesn’t hold the same religious beliefs as I do. That’s their business, not mine. Also, their problem, not mine. If a person believes “there is no God” so I shouldn’t uphold my morals and what I was raised to believe, it doesn’t change what I believe and it won’t stop me from believing it. You not believing in God has nothing to do with the fact that I and many others do. In other words, mind your own business, and let me believe what I was raised to believe without being ostracized for answering what you asked me in the first place.”
Maybe if I make the same statement that you just did from the other side, you’ll hear just how fucking ridiculous you sound. Wishful thinking on my part, though. Feminists aren’t capable of rational thought. Also, just to make this clear, I do not think there is anything wrong with homosexuality, and I do not ever state my personal religious standing. This is just your own text reversed so you can hear how stupid, narrow-minded, and bigoted you sound. But of course, I’ll somehow be wrong for it. HAHAHA! I’m waitin’ on the hatin’.
I mean, seriously, you can’t even comprehend the fact that CRIMINALS ARE CRIMINALS AND THEY WILL COMMIT CRIMES WHETHER THERE ARE LAWS (OR MANDATORY CLASSES SPECIFICALLY FOR MEN ABOUT HOW RAPING IS BAD) OR NOT. I said it in bold so that maybe it’ll sound a bit louder to you and get my point across. Kinda like how you speak to people when there is a language barrier. Slowly and a bit louder than usual even though you know it’s not going to be effective because they just don’t speak the same language. CRIMINALS (see that word? NOT synonymous with men. Even though I’m sure you think it is, I assure you, it’s not.) are still going to go around raping and murdering, so it’s REASONABLE (another word I’m sure you aren’t familiar with) that EVERYBODY (that means EVERYBODY, so not excluding special snowflake Feminists) should try their best to not place themselves in situations where that could happen, and be prepared, IF THE SITUATION IS UNAVOIDABLE, to try your best to be prepared for that, too. THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE AT FAULT FOR THE SITUATION. IT JUST MEANS THAT YOU SHOULD TRY TO BE PREPARED IN CASE IT DOES HAPPEN. A good countermeasure would be to always carry a pocket knife and/or pepper spray.
Another thing you don’t seem to get, I’ll put it together in a nice little story for you that even an 8 year old child will understand. -Chapter 1 : Sally is at a party with a friend. Her name is Tori. Sally doesn’t know anybody else at the party. It is mainly filled with mean, scary, or creepy guys that don’t know how to keep their hands to themselves. (NOTE: I’m sure an 8 year old wouldn’t need this, but I know a Feminist does : That’s an expression. THEY KNOW HOW TO KEEP THEIR HANDS TO THEMSELVES, THEY JUST CHOOSE NOT TO BECAUSE THEY’RE MEAN, SCARY, OR CREEPY, AND MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, AT LEAST ONE OF THEM IS A CRIMINAL THAT DOESN’T MIND COMMITTING A CRIME ex.RAPE) Sally, despite her better judgement, decides to get extremely drunk, to the point that she can’t speak or even move on her own. She is literally piss-your-pants drunk. A few guys carry her body into another room and close the door. She has not voiced consent, yet these men still had sex with her. -End Chapter 1. THIS IS BAD. YES, THAT WAS A RAPE THAT TOOK PLACE. THOSE CRIMINALS SHOULD STILL FACE CHARGES FOR THEIR ACTIONS. All of that is true. BUT SALLY SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THAT FUCKED UP IN THE FIRST PLACE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT SHE WAS AT A PARTY THAT WAS PREDOMINATELY OCCUPIED BY CREEPY, SCARY, MEAN GUYS THAT QUITE OBVIOUSLY WOULDN’T THINK TWICE ABOUT COMMITTING A CRIME. SHE SHOULD ALSO REFLECT ON THIS AND UNDERSTAND THAT SHE FUCKED UP IN THAT SITUATION AND NOT JUST DEFAULT TO SAYING ALL MEN ARE RAPIST SCUM. THIS DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE CRIME IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. IT ALSO DOESN’T DETRACT FROM THE FACT THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT HER OWN WELL-BEING.
-Chapter 2 : Tori (a very bad friend, by the way) was at the party because she knew a guy there that she was hooking up with, but she didn’t know anybody else, so she invited her friend Maddy to come along with her so she wouldn’t be alone. Maddy didn’t want to go because she didn’t feel comfortable with the situation (smart girl), and she had already made plans to go to a party she was more comfortable with earlier that evening. Still not wanting to go alone, Tori asks her friend Sally to come along with her. Sally came along without knowing the situation at all (we all know what happened to her). Tori is having a blast, and doesn’t even notice that her friend got carried off into a different room by some strange guys. She’s way too preoccupied with Ted(her hookup). Tori gets a bit tipsy, and things are really heating up with her and Ted. They can’t even keep their hands off of each other for a minute! Ted asks if Tori wants to “go somewhere a bit more private”, and Tori says yes. She’s all for it, and they go into the back room that wasn’t occupied. Things get even more frisky, and, after a very passionate night(they have sex in case you can’t put 2 and 2 together), they both fall asleep. Tori wakes up with a nasty hangover, and sees Ted laying next to her. Ted all of a sudden isn’t as attractive as she once thought he was, and Tori immediately regrets the night she spent with him. Although she had given consent the night before, she still insisted that it was rape just because she had a few beers the night before, so that magically makes her choice to consent to having sex completely null and void. This is bad, and she knows that, but she regrets her actions and doesn’t want to be held accountable. Ted is falsely accused of rape, temporarily jailed, and finally put on trial. There is absolutely no evidence that he did, in fact, rape her, and after a while, Tori confesses that it wasn’t exactly rape and she had just really regretted her actions from that night. Ted is released, but his reputation is completely destroyed, and his social life is now nonexistent. Tori, on the other hand, gets off with absolutely nothing, not even a slap on the wrist. Ted is completely devastated, and Tori gets to, well, “continue being Tori”, without a single repercussion for falsely accusing a man of rape. -End Chapter 2. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT OKAY AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHY FEMINISTS IN GENERAL SEEM TO THINK THAT IT IS PERFECTLY FINE. IF A WOMAN FALSELY ACCUSES OF RAPE, SHE SHOULD NOT GET OFF WITHOUT ANY CHARGES. A WOMAN FALSELY ACCUSING A MAN OF RAPE SHOULD HAVE TO SERVE THE SENTENCE HE WOULD HAVE SERVED HAD HE ACTUALLY DONE IT, PLUS SERVE TIME FOR THE TARNISHED REPUTATION AND COMPLETE SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL DESTRUCTION. HE WILL MOST LIKELY NOT BE ABLE TO FIND A JOB THAT WILL ALLOW HIM TO BE FINANCIALLY STABLE TO THE POINT OF HAVING HIS OWN FAMILY BECAUSE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DISMISSED AND HE WAS DECLARED INNOCENT, HE WILL STILL HAVE A RAPE CHARGE AGAINST HIM WHENEVER HE GETS A BACKGROUND TEST.
-Chapter 3 : Maddy tells Tori and Sally to be careful and to stay safe because she was still uncomfortable with the party Tori asked her to come to with her(what a good friend). She met up with her friend Mark and they proceeded to the other party. They are very close friends who had talked for a little while, and even hooked up here and there, but there was never anything more serious than a sloppy make-out session between the two. When they get to the party, the start drinking and, before you know it, they’re both pretty drunk. They’re having a blast and it’s an absolute shitshow. One thing leads to another and they start hooking up. Even though they were both under the influence, they both knew what they wanted, and they were both consenting adults. They get an empty room and have wild, clumsy, drunken sex until they pass out from exhaustion. The next morning, Maddy wakes up, slightly hungover and groggy, and recaps the previous night. When she looks down at Mark (who is still sleeping), she somewhat regrets the previous night. Not because he’s any less attractive than the night before, but because she’s worried about the strain it might have on their friendship and how awkward it might become. What she DOESN’T do is falsely claim rape because she’s a bit embarrassed from the previous night. All in all, after Mark woke up and they talked, everything was fine. Better than fine, because now they know exactly what they think of each other, and are looking forward to what the future may hold. -End Chapter 3 This, although you man-hating Feminists may not agree, IS NOT RAPE. THEY WERE BOTH UNDER THE INFLUENCE, BUT THEY WERE BOTH CONSENTING ADULTS. This is the only chapter that has a good, proper ending. She doesn’t call rape, because she understands that it WASN’T. Even though she was drunk, she could still voice her consent, and he was equally as drunk. Feminists claiming that this IS rape need to understand that if it IS, then that means that she ALSO RAPED HIM. There are too many Feminist double-standards, and that needs to be stopped.
~Story End~
Note that I am not an MRA, nor do I associate with any of them. I am Egalitarian, which is what everybody should relate to if they believe in equality for everybody, regardless of gender, race, skin color, religion, etc. Feminism is NOT equality for everybody, it solely advocates for equality for WOMEN in its definition, even if that’s absolutely not what Feminists preach when they talk about “destroying the Patriarchy” and trying to oppress men. Don’t tear down other people to meet you, raise your standing up to meet them.
With that, I’m off. I’ve said all I came to say and more, and quite frankly I’ve said enough for multiple posts. I most likely won’t respond to any posts to me because I already know they’ll all be inflammatory, and quite frankly I’m not finished laughing at the rest of these idiotic threads filled with Feminists contradicting themselves with every other word they say and just generally looking like asshats. If, on the off chance, there IS a legitimate response looking for a rational discussion, I may come back to entertain you, as you have been entertaining me for the last ~30 minutes or so.
inb4 “muh soggy knees!”
Yeah, TLDR.
You are making a claim that there is some deity telling you to mistreat people because of their sexual orientation, then you need to prove it’s existence. I don’t need to prove no such deity exists, because that’s the default position. You’re making it up as you go along. Didn’t “Jesus” say to love your neighbor as yourself? If you’re a Christian, that’s what you should be doing.
If you’re some other religion, you still need to prove such a religious view exists, and that it’s moral.
My idea of morality is “Does it harm another person?” That’s real and objective, and obviously if you believe that you won’t rape or murder someone, because that’s harming them.
And when it comes to feminists, you no more know what you’re talking about than you do when you talk about atheists. I can tell because everything you say is bullshit.
Coming from the person that VERY CLEARLY didn’t read a single thing in my post. Otherwise you wouldn’t be confused about the fact I never once said what I believe when it comes to religion, never said anything about Atheism, didn’t try to prove or disprove any religion, and I clearly stated (extremely early in the post, smack in the middle of my second paragraph) that I see absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. I also clearly stated it’s absolutely wrong to rape anybody, no matter the circumstance.
I’m positive you didn’t read a single thing in my post, and that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Which I find funny since you Feminists were saying to “actually read stuff” before weighing in on it, quite a few times in these posts.
Now, if you want to have an actual rational discussion, instead of just bitching and moaning about a post being too long(which, if this is seriously too long for you to read, it’s painfully clear that you don’t do any research and just spout out word-of-mouth Feminism without any real facts), then you can have another stab at it, after you actually read what I wrote. Although, again, I really don’t expect rationality from a Feminist, and you proved my point with your reply.
You think it’s wrong to rape someone? Well how magnanimous of you. Would you like to try for minimally human, and try advocating for treating everyone with respect, even if they are LGBTQ?
“equality for everybody, regardless of gender, race, skin color, religion, etc.”
Literally said on my first post, 2nd to last paragraph. That includes lesbians, gays, bisexuals, trans, asexuals, people questioning their sexual orientation. The only things I DON’T support are the special snowflake Tumblr users that insist on being some crazy “dragonkin”, insist on using completely made up “pronouns” to refer to themselves, furries(because being sexually attracted to animals is clearly a mental disorder[I may be bias in this regard because I don’t think a defenseless animal should be fucked by a human for any reason, and it does happen]) and obviously people attracted to children, for obvious reasons.
Again, you may want to actually read before posting replies.
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Who would Jesus rape?
no, there are no facts in god. god does not exist so trying to use it to shut someone up is merely threats and garbage
You have class? I’m gonna need to see a citation for that statement child.
Maybe you need to see a psychiatrist instead of a citation you know get your life in order and all… I’m never said I was a siant, but I am willing to repent unlike majority your kind. I DON’T support the lifestyle and NEVER will and for your information I was responding to a question that was asked, if you don’t care who supports you or not why the hell are you asking questions??? Take care!
Yeah and do you observe all,of the commands of the book of Leviticus ? I assume you wear no clothes made of two different fibers. No cotton/ rayon blends for you. You abstain from eating shellfish and pork. You haven’t cut then hair on the side of your head have you? Remember it’s against gods law to do so. You made a point to stone to death any divorced women who remarried in your family right ? Did you procure any doves for your mother & or sisters to sacrifice after they came out of seclusion when they had their period. Yeah I’m sure following gods law is on the top of your list. That’s why you follow the writings of a self confessed rapist. Such bullshit you are spouting child.
your god, like all the others is imaginary. that’s why he thinks just like you. people are born gay, they don’t choose it, unlike rapists. nobody is forcing you to support their choice, they merely ask you to mind your own fucking business and keep your hatred to yourself
Oh yeah? Well MY god says that eating broccoli is immoral. I demand that you stop supporting grocery stores with broccoli; they are supporting the choice that people make to eat broccoli but I don’t agree with that lifestyle!
Dude, you;re totally a pathetic loser.
I doubt you’ve ever had any woman who lacks a valve stem.
I doubt you’ve ever had a man or woman who had a penis, unimpaired brain, or nice personality.
If a woman who is paralytic from alcohol consumption and is run over and killed by a car, she may be no less the victim of dangerous driving, culpable homicide etc that the same or another woman who is sober in the same situation.
I think the point you’re making is that a woman who is run over in exactly the same place, at the same time and in the same circumstances is a victim of a crime if she is a sober pedestrian but not a victim if she is a drunken or stoned pedestrian?
Unfortunately, the analogy is very weak, and therefore blurs the reality.
If a man grabs a victim, (male or female victim, sobriety irrelevant), employs brutal force in order to sexually penetrate the victim’s bodily orifice(s), etc., one must admit that is quite different than if a man meets a woman in some social setting – for example, a club, and she drunkenly invites him into the toilet stall and coerces his penis which she willfully and skillfully causes to be erect, into her bodily orifice(s) for her sexual or other satisfaction, then realises the next day that her boyfriend, husband, friends, etc. know, and decides to put criminal allegations upon her male victim in order to purge her ‘shame’…
funny how its mostly drunken MALE slut who gets behind the wheel and murders someone. and they mostly get off too
Actually, no, but don’t let the creepy data that cops and insurance companies collect and publish rape your brain, girly.
statistics say you are wrong.
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/gender
Somebody molested those statistics.
yeah, men
clever
Youve definitely never gotten laid
Does your grandmother count, weenie?
Keep on behaving like you describe: sex with sober, drunk, intoxicated women and your time is coming, my friend. All it takes is an accusation and your life is messed up. Just because you probably won’t be prosecuted or even formally accused doesn’t mean everything is just all right from then on.
Henry,his type only learns the hard way.
Too bad you won’t be around in 30 years to verify or falsify your claim.
If only rapist’s lives *would* be “messed up.” What has happened to any of Reteah Parsons’ rapists? Why did only two of the Steubenville rapists get just a slap on the wrist for a gang rape deliberately perpetrated by an entire group of people? I think, however, that this was one of my favorite miscarriages of justice in a rape case: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Lawyer-likens-gang-rape-victim-to-a-spider-luring-4071735.php
He’s looking forward to being accused and locked up. In lock up is where he’ll meet the man of his dreams.
LOL!
Yeah, really, there’s no man in the world without a rape allegation, poor dudes.
How many of them have you collected to be so confident about JackFou?
Wait until your ass in nailed and a bunch of your fellow white knights want your nuts.
Still waiting.
Lmfaoo my man
You too look so confident, it’s clear it happened to you dozens of times. Please, be careful, stay away from women to avoid next inprisonment.
Obviously, you have the ability to to be in a consenual relationship. Mr. Roosh does not. So he must force himself upon women because he is incapable of attracting them any other way.
You must be a female who is trying to keep the eunuch from going astray. You don’t mind Jackfool in a relationship as long as it’s not with you. I can understand that who wants a mangina/white knight anyway? I don’t.
You do realize that this article was written as a response to a law recently passed here that “drunk and otherwise intoxicated” women are rape victims 100% of the times they have sex, right? It doesn’t matter if you ask for and receive consent every 3 seconds throughout the entire encounter. It’s rape. Period. By feminist standards, there’s no such thing as consent in the case of “drunk and otherwise intoxicated” women. So you weren’t giving the “consent” thing a try. You were raping “several women.”
Also, this article is SATIRE. It was written in the vein of “A Modest Proposal.” It’s called “knowledge of literary themes.” You should give it a try.
No I was not aware of that law. Forgive me my ignorance for I don’t live in the USA and I’m not up to date with everything going on in your country. Care to link me to said law? I somehow doubt that this is what’s actually written in the law.
The article is not satire. For several reasons. The most obvious would be that this article is not in stark contrast to what Roosh says otherwise. This is rather exactly the same kind of stuff he normally says.
All that aside my original point wasn’t to dispute what is and what isn’t rape. The12thunknownman paints a picture of evil women who use drugs to falsely accuse men of rape for funsies. Based on my own experiences, the experiences of people around me and even statements from Roosh_V himself(!) this stuff doesn’t happen nearly as often as in that dude’s nightmares.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB967
Keep in mind that the part about alcohol or drugs doesn’t require incapacitation, merely intoxication. This is something feminists have been pushing for some time. Laci Green even made a video about “what is rape.” Among them was drunkenness or not asking and receiving confirmation. In other words, under that claim (as well as this law), there is nothing that a woman can do, even getting on top and sticking it in herself, that can be classified as consent. Similar laws have shown that the claim that consent can be non-verbal when considered under these laws is false (because non-verbal consent is discarded with these laws) In fact, the parts of the bill that seem to be common sense (such as “sex with someone unconscious is rape” or “consent can be withdrawn) were ALREADY LAW. In fact, for consent being withdrawn? Not long ago, a 15 year old boy was sentenced to 15 years because the 18 year old woman that he was having sex with told him to stop and it took him, in HER WORDS ON THE STAND, “five or so seconds” to pull out of her. She didn’t even give a shit about those five or so seconds. It was the mother of a friend that pushed her into filing rape charges. Back to the topic at hand, however, the language of the law was designed in such a way that, if any opposed it, they could point to those points and say, “OMFG YOU’RE FOR PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO HAVE SEX WITH UNCONSCIOUS PEOPLE!” or “SO WOMEN CAN’T WITHDRAW CONSENT?”
And let’s not forget this part: “Affirmative consent must be ongoing.” This means that YOU MUST CONSTANTLY ASK for permission WHILE YOU’RE CURRENTLY HAVING SEX WITH THE PERSON. If you stop asking, then it’s rape.
Oh, and while the language of the bill is mostly gender neutral (which is actually quite astounding for a rape law that actually manages to get passed… see India’s recent try for gender neutrality in rape… which was defeated by feminist groups), I must point again to how these laws have been enforced in the past and how rape laws in the US work. It will rarely, if ever, be considered rape for a woman to have sex with a drunk man or to need to ask him if it’s okay to have sex with him.
Enjoy things while you can. Once feminists get as firm of a grip on your country as they have on ours, well… good luck and don’t drop the soap.
Regarding intoxication the bill says:
“[…] influence of drugs, alcohol, or medication, so that the complainant could not understand the fact, nature, or extent of the sexual activity.”
Sounds pretty clear.
So no, the involvement of alcohol or drugs doesn’t make it a 100% clear cut rape case as you said.
Since what is and what isn’t consent isn’t defined in the bill we could just stop right here because the rest of your claims are just assumptions. But for the sake of placing this within the framework of “normal” sexual engagements, let’s give it a short look:
The bill just says that the absence of a “no” doesn’t equal consent which is fairly common sense.
So in your words “getting on top and sticking it in herself” is a good indication of affirmative consent – unless you can show me such university policy which claims otherwise.
Regarding the “ongoing” consent – once again the standards are to be set in the individual policy.
What kind of sex do you normally have that the first thing to come to your mind is you asking for permission every 3 seconds?
If she’s clawing your back while repeatedly shouting “oh yes” that’s consent. If she asks you to fuck her harder, that’s consent.
If she’s lying there in silence and motionless you might just wanna ask her if she’s alright.
If you have no regard for your sex partner and only care about “getting some pussy” and “draining your balls” you shouldn’t be surprised if women won’t appreciate that too much.
Remember that all of those things are only relevant under the assumption that false rape accusations are made in the first place – the probability of which is fairly laughable.
Singular examples of false rape accusations are just tales of the “boogeywoman” with no statistical value.
You’re extrapolating and catastrophizing based on your personal perception of evil women who have no regard for men.
Most of your post is a complete dismissal of how this would and is working in the US, so I’m just going to roll my eyes on that front, especially since most of it is just ignoring the law because OH NOES THAT COULDN’T BE TRUE.
“Singular examples of false rape accusations are just tales of the “boogeywoman” with no statistical value.”
Complete bullshit.
http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php
I want to stress something: Each of these studies ASKED WOMEN THAT REPORTED RAPE. They didn’t try to make up some bullshit “guidelines” or rely on complete lies (like Kelly et al did on both fronts). They just ASKED women that reported rape if they lied about being raped. 27% (Air Force Personnel) and 50% (college students) ADMITTED THAT THEY HADN’T BEEN RAPED.
“Most of your post is a complete dismissal of how this would and is working in the US, so I’m just going to roll my eyes on that front, especially since most of it is just ignoring the law because OH NOES THAT COULDN’T BE TRUE.”
So what exactly is the point here? That the justice system in the US is fubar?
I wasn’t ignoring the law, I actually read it and it turns out that the law doesn’t say what you said it does.
Somehow I haven’t yet heard of hundreds of (male?) students being incarcerated for decades in California because of this law.
So either the law doesn’t actually imply what you say it does or somehow rape accusations aren’t as common as you say they are.
“Complete bullshit.”
You seem to have poor understanding of statistics. My point is that generally individual examples are indeed no factual evidence whatsoever. For every 1 example of false rape accusations there is another example of correct rape accusations. This proves absolutely nothing and is therefore little more than a scary story.
As I’ve said before I won’t argue which statistics are more trustworthy.
Your source is still kind of funny – just not in a good way.
Laci fucking Green, THE MOST SUBSCRIBED-TO FEMINIST ON YOUTUBE, outright said that drunk = rape. THE FUCKING LAW SAYS THAT DRUNK = RAPE.
This has not been repeated in any other study. It’s just not accurate. Sorry it was a poorly done piece of trash poll. No one has ever been able to re prove those numbers. I’m going to go,with the well documented numbers reproduced by major organizations. Not that of one military man with an agenda of making the military look better.16% of male military are rapists. They want to counter this fact and have done so with bogus numbers.
“Hi! I’m a complete moron that doesn’t know anything about how science works, please explain to me why the studies to which I cling so tightly are complete nonsense!”
Gladly!
The “well documented numbers” reproduced by feminist groups out to prove how terrible and evil the world is are done using this method:
1. Assume (without evidence) that police over-state false reports
2. Assume (without evidence) that any case where they can’t get the information is true.
3. Assume (without evidence) that a gender studies major working from a written report is a better judge of the evidence than a detective that’s worked rape cases for decades and was actually present at the questionings.
4. Declare that any case where the woman admitted to the police that she lied is “probably” a false report and any case where there was absolute proof that the man could not have possibly even had sex with the woman in question is “possibly” a false report. Assume (without evidence) that all other cases are 100% true, with no room for question.
5. Publish “findings” to the applause of feminists, ensuring any future studies will be fully funded.
Kelly et al is the worst offender. #4 comes directly from that study, but it is Kelly et al and studies that use that same methodology that are the studies cited to claim that false rape accusations are rare.
Any time your methodology hinges on assumptions, it’s flawed. And the studies I linked proved that #1 is completely false, invalidating the studies you cling to so religiously.
Note that, under this methodology, cases like the one of Biurny Pequero and William McCaffrey would be considered a “true” case, in spite of the fact that it showed just how unlikely police are to question the claims of a rape accuser.
The fact that feminism doesn’t seem to have a problem with the “accusation = proof” model of criminal justice should be terrifying to any civilized individual.
The FBI is not a feminist organization. The national bureau of crime statistics is not a feminist organization. The stats you are referring to have never never been reproduced again. Why so pro rape cocoa bean?
Exactly what FBI stats are you talking about?
Also, that claim is actually pretty BS. The US government has, for as long as most anyone can remember, been entirely pro-feminist. On BOTH sides, as much as liberal feminists like to insist that Republicans hate feminism and women. But hey, it enhances their victim complexes to make such baseless claims, so who can blame them? This, by the way, can be seen through government funding of programs benefitting women over men (such as breast cancer research vs. prostate cancer research) and things like the multiple “wage discrimination” laws (in spite of the fact that the “wage gap” has been proven false over and over again for the past THIRTY-FIVE YEARS).
It’s interesting that pointing out the BS in feminist rape statistics or the massive flaws in Kelly et al when compared to studies that actually have good methodology qualifies someone as “pro-rape” in your mind.
By the way, I see you’re once again taking the stance of knowing absolutely nothing about science, but insisting on talking as though you’re an expert. Good methodology is what matters. A hundred studies with flawed methodology don’t take precedence over even a single study with good methodology. Not that you’d actually know that, but whatever.
Be patient, they don’t know how it’s like to have sex with an aroused woman.
I just wanted to clarify (speaking as someone whose career revolves around interpreting the law) that your analysis of the bill is completely wrong. Everyone is entitled to their personal opinions (albeit you don’t strike me as someone who places much importance on logic or intelligence), but if you’re going to troll at least attempt to disseminate accurate information.
First, the bill is an act of funding (more specifically, restrictions and requirements on the sort of policy that a CA college must maintain in order to receive state funding). It provides minimum guidelines for potential policy regarding CA colleges. It is not about criminal prosecution.
Second, I’m kind of confused by what you mean when you state, “Keep in mind that the part about alcohol or drugs doesn’t require incapacitation, merely intoxication.” Section (4)(B) clearly states that it is not a valid excuse if the accused believes that affirmative consent was received in a situation in which, “The complainant
was incapacitated due to the influence of drugs, alcohol, or medication, so that the complainant could not understand the fact, nature, or extent of the sexual
activity.” There is no language in this bill that states what you are asserting. Although Section (4)(B) is an indication that mere intoxication is likely not enough.
Third, I’m going to guess (although I may be wrong, so please correct me if I am), that you are neither a lawyer nor a legislator. I’m basing this opinion on your rather confused understanding of the word “ongoing.” You seem to believe that the statement “affirmative consent must be ongoing,” actually means, “YOU MUST CONSTANTLY ASK for permission WHILE YOU’RE CURRENTLY HAVING SEX WITH THE PERSON. If you stop asking, then it’s rape.” This is simply incorrect. “Ongoing” does not mean continually receiving/communicating verbal confirmation of permission. As used in this context, “ongoing affirmative consent” means that such affirmative consent is not rescinded at any point during sexual activity. To put it more simply, if a victim changes his/her mind after giving permission, then the accused cannot rely on that earlier permission as a defense.
While I doubt that anything that I am telling you will actually make a difference in your opinion, I felt that others (who may read your statements and be woefully misinformed) should understand that you are not in fact an expert. Although I don’t agree with virtually any of your personal sentiment regarding feminism, what I find more repugnant is that you are spreading ignorance and misunderstanding with such ease. There are arguments on both sides of this debate. I have heard many people with whom I absolutely don’t agree make intelligent remarks and cite accurate law. I don’t often chime in on something like an anonymous website, but you seem to have somehow convinced others that you were relatively knowledgeable on a subject about which you clearly know very little. Ignorance and stupidity is dangerous, please educate yourself.
Thank you Sam.
Outstanding.
You’re just ridiculous.
No one has to ” constantly ask”. You are just trivializing it because by being honest you won’t ever be right. It means that if a woman changes idea in the middle of it, you have to respect her will.
How can you understand when a woman disagrees? SHE SAYS: “NO”, “DON’T”, “GET OFF”. A number of expressions I’m sure you already heard many time. You should be familiar with a woman refusing sex.
Notice how rape convictions haven’t increased in the past several decades? Men aren’t being convicted any more readily than they were decades ago. Actually we have increased the number of me. Who rape but convictions haven’t gone up at all. Stop with your ill perceived notions of persecuted men. It’s a fallacy. If sex has become too scary for you spend some time with your right hand or a good toy. Stop whining . You sound like a spoiled child.
So you know nothing about the situation in North America yet choose to lecture us on it?
Idiot.
You guys keep making it about North America.
You do realize it’s not what the law says, don’t you?
” sexual intercourse is non-consensual, and therefore considered rape, if it occurs :(…) where the conduct occurs at a time when B is incapable because of the effect of alcohol or any other substance of consenting to it”. It means she wasn’t able to express her consent. She never said “yes”. The fact she never said “no” doesn’t count. Silence is not consent. She has to agree with it. No consent equals rape. If you can’t read, please, don’t give literature and satire lessons. Satire is against the power not against the victims.
Not satire. Roosh is a self admitted rapist. He encourages all men to envision choking women while,fucjking them in the ass as an important regular visualization. He believes in rape. He commits rape and he is encouraging men to rape.
And yet by having sex with an intoxicated woman you are a rapist, by the new definitions.
actually an intoxicated, drunk woman cannot give legal consent, so you have in fact legally raped them and gotten away with it.
i distance my self from his proposal completely, however the argument he makes prior to that stupid proposal is completely valid.
If the woman you had sex with was intoxicated, then she could not give consent. You just told the whole world that YOU are a rapist.
Exactly. Not only is this ridiculously misogynistic and ridiculous, but it also begs the question… What about victims of molestation? Does a child/teen/woman who has been abused on private property not qualify as a rape victim? This guy must be the biggest internet troll of all time
HOW TO PREVENT RAPE
How to Prevent Rape
If a woman is drunk, don’t rape her.
If a woman is walking alone at night, don’t rape her.
If a women is drugged and unconscious, don’t rape her.
If a woman is wearing a short skirt, don’t rape her.
If a woman is jogging in a park at 5 am, don’t rape her.
If a woman looks like your ex-girlfriend you’re still hung up on, don’t rape her.
If a woman is asleep in her bed, don’t rape her.
If a woman is asleep in your bed, don’t rape her.
If a woman is doing her laundry, don’t rape her.
If a woman is in a coma, don’t rape her.
If a woman changes her mind in the middle of or about a particular activity, don’t rape her.
If a woman has repeatedly refused a certain activity, don’t rape her.
If a woman is not yet a woman, but a child, don’t rape her.
If your girlfriend or wife is not in the mood, don’t rape her.
If your step-daughter is watching TV, don’t rape her.
If you break into a house and find a woman there, don’t rape her.
If your friend thinks it’s okay to rape someone, tell him it’s not, and that he’s not your friend.
If your “friend” tells you he raped someone, report him to the police.
If your frat-brother or another guy at the party tells you there’s an unconscious woman upstairs and it’s your turn, don’t rape her, call the police and tell the guy he’s a rapist.
Tell your sons, god-sons, nephews, grandsons, sons of friends it’s not okay to rape someone.
Don’t tell your women friends how to be safe and avoid rape.
Don’t imply that she could have avoided it if she’d only done/not done x.
Don’t imply that it’s in any way her fault.
Don’t let silence imply agreement when someone tells you he “got some” with the drunk girl.
And if you are still confused, try this:
How to Prevent Sexual Assault
1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behavior.
2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM!
6. Remember, people go to laundry rooms to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.
9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.
And, ALWAYS REMEMBER: if you didn’t ask permission and then respect the answer the first time, you are committing a crime- no matter how “into it” others appear to be.
Every single one of these points is absolutely true. The problem is that rapists don’t care. It’s not like people don’t know that they shouldn’t do these things, it’s that they don’t care. While we should absolutely be teaching all of these things, it’s not enough on its own, at least not in the near term. I wish it was, but it’s not. What do we do then? I’m not exactly sure, but we need to do something else in addition.
Judy’s points aren’t directed to the rapists themselves, though, but to the rape apologists, those people who accuse victims of not having done enough to prevent the crime and protect themselves (regardless of the actual circumstances of sexual assault) but don’t lay equally into the perpetrators for actually having raped anyone. She’s reversing common advice to demonstrate just how ridiculous the comments that rape victims and women in general receive can be.
That said it wouldn’t be a bad idea to include a class on consent and what isn’t appropriate in every PSHE lesson plan.
Thank you. There are so many holes with his logic that it hurts. He expects all women to be of a healthy state of mind(ignoring women who were abused in childhood and only understand abuse and are undereducated, or perhaps just too afraid to take control of their life– therefore, mentally ill or in need of serious help), that family will not be rapists, or that people are simple and just because you know someone for a few months or a year, you can read them like a book. His logic could work if humans were simple and everyone knew better, but they don’t. You never truly know someone, and in reality, even the people you love and trust the most can do something to hurt you, when you believed they were saints.
This was written by a complete fucking moron.
Satirical or not some people are incapable of determining the difference and will take it seriously. Ideas can be powerful and this post is particularly dangerous.
“I’m in my late twenties and I’ve had sex with several women – sober, *drunk and otherwise intoxicated* – but not once have I been accused of rape.” That is because you were the raped one.
Citation needed. Oh, and while you are at it, I’d love for you to also cite just how many rape cases are reported every day as well.
See, that’s the problem. If you look at the stats fabricated by the global international feminationalsocialist eugenics movements, you’d believe it happens all day, everyday to 3 out of 5 of all women. The FBI Uniform Crime Stats database tells another story, and even more interesting is the data on false accusations. Never let the truth get in the way of the agenda, right snatchlick?
Ok. How do you determine which is the accurate one? How do you know that those stats are actually fabricated? I can only assume that the FBI only counts cases of rape reported to law enforcement. Also, no, a rape not being reported does not mean it was made up. Pretty sure the stat isn’t 3 out of 5. More like one in 6.
Also, you didn’t bother presenting any of this data on false accusations.
That most accusations are unsubstantiated doesn’t mean they are false. It means the police or prosecutor don’t think there is sufficient evidence to get a conviction of the accused rapist. Prosecutors are in the business of getting convictions, not in just lodging charges.
The false accusation rate for rape is 60%. The reasons given for this false accusation rate: spite,revenge,even boredom. These are the cases where the accuser deliberately lied. This is from a U.S. Air Force study by Dr. Charles McDowwell. From the book The Myth Of Male Power by Warren Farrell.
No that number is in accurate. This study was prove to be bullshit. Try going with the generally accepted numbers. The military has a huge number of rapists and has never dealt with sexual assault. These bogus numbers have never been recreated. Many women in the military have chosen to recant there accusations after being subjected to horrible backlash. Doesn’t mean they weren’t raped. Means they couldn’t deal with the consequences of disclosing their rape. The myth of male power is a joke piece.
“the global international feminationalsocialist eugenics”
…..are you for real? Like do you actually read what you write before you press send? Or do you just try to pack as many meaningless buzzwords as you can into your writing to sound intelligent?
Apparently he is for real:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/communist-goal-of-global-anti-violence-against-women-movement-revealed-by-leader-eve-ensler/
He’s probably trying to pack as many of those 8 types as possible in one comment.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-a242423oles-who-show-up-every-time-word-feminism-used/
Oh, damn, we’ve been trolled. “stats fabricated by the global international feminationalsocialist eugenics movements,” That’s *fabulous*! You win – we were all completely taken in up ’til now, but no one could be this insane & still be granted full access to the internet.
Tell it to your mom, nutsack.
You present nothing to refute the facts (from somewhat objective sources), and can only lamely try to ‘make fun of’?
Continue eating shit, as you were.
Oh, wow, you’re serious??? If so, why are you lying about the FBI stats?
& you obviously *wish* I would “eat shit” because that’s all you are.
Check out this site for that info: http://www.cotwa.info
Uh, yeah. Reading their “about” section on the front page they blatantly ignore the fact that one is considered innocent until proven guilty in court.
Also, I’m not going to search through an entire blog to find the info you claim is there. Link to a specific article.
Aaaand finally, yes, I would agree that at least some universities likely do need more due process for accusations. At the same time, many other universities have the problem of not paying attention to or even trying to cover up and dismiss allegations of rape.
” At the same time, many other universities have the problem of not paying attention to or even trying to cover up and dismiss allegations”
Bullshit, cite some objective stat for that, moron.
“Objective stat”
Translation: Find me an MRA that says that or I’ll dismiss it out of hand!
Since this has actually been national news for months, I’ll let you do the research yourself. Maybe you’ll actually learn something about women so you won’t be so afraid of them and hate them so much.
All I see in the news are bullshit overblown accusations that turn out to be false or even complete fabrications.
That’s why you must supply references, that aren’t supplied by Global Feminationationslist Intermational HQ, useless idiot.
“All I see in the news are bullshit overblown accusations that turn out to be false or even complete fabrications.”
Translation: I only pay attention to stories about rape on the incredibly rare occasions they turn out to be false.
Well, I’ll have to ask beforehand exactly what constitutes the “Global Feminationanationslist Itnernation HQ.” That way I know where to look and where not to look. Or can you even define what the term means in the first place? Is it just an excuse to dismiss anything that says something you don’t like to hear?
That blog is my proof. They highlight cases of false accusations all the time. You asked for it and I supplied it.
Wow you get all your info about rape from a blog. We actually had a lawyer comment here on the legality of your claims and he said you were full of shit. Perhaps a trained and qualified lawyer knows more than your friend with a blog and an attitude problem
“Aaaand finally, yes, I would agree that at least some universities likely do need more due process for accusations. At the same time, many other universities have the problem of not paying attention to or even trying to cover up and dismiss allegations of rape.”
The issue in both those situations is the university has the same bias: Themselves. Regarding due process, universities at that stage are worried about appearing lax and losing Title Funding. Universities trying to cover up events, are doing so to protect their public image.
Neither case is truly focused on the students well being. Point being, universities are not neutral arbiters, they should not be handling rape charges, any more then they should attempt to handle a murder case involving students. They should not attempt to adjudicate felony offenses, period. Full stop.
The only place this occurs is in the imaginations of socially inept, frustrated, angry idiots whose unsupportable sense of entitlement is rivaled only by their inability to see their own creepiness.
Miss Gant, you get a gold star for using feminationalsocialist newspeak vocab without even making any point except that you’re a brainwashed tool. Yea for you, douchebag.
Says the guy literally just making up words.
“One day there shall only be one word in the Manspeak vocabulary, and that word shall be MAN!”
I always have to wonder just how many times guys like yourself have actually been falsely accused of rape. I also kinda have to wonder if you guys do anything but grouse on the internet about it. Any legal resources? Legal defense funds? False Rape Accusation Crisis Centers?
Oh look! Now he’s just making shit up! That’s cute.
Miss Gant, kindly decide your gender confusion before giving yourself an anuerism thinking about hard stuff like retorts to well-adjusted persons not suffering cognitive disabilities and glandular pathologies like you clearly victimise yourself with, due to your morbid obesity and foul lack of personal hygiene habits.
Any idea when you’re going to stop trying to seem smarter than you could ever hope to be? ‘Cuz honestly, you’re starting to bore me.
*aneurysm. It’s ok, that was a tough one.
I like how you’re like “cite objective stats!” And then you’re like “youreafaggotyoureafaggotyoureafaggotyoureafaggotyoureafaggotyoureafaggot”
Hey my argument doesn’t make sense! Let’s attack the personal life of the person I’m arguing with!
ad hominem…the most used logical fallacy. It’s a beautiful thing :/
Do you…Leave your house ever? What news are you reading? I think you need to educate yourself a little more before you paint this glorified misogynist picture of rape. I’m sure if you actually had to encounter the fear of something like rape on a daily basis, you would have a more balanced understanding of the world around you.
You are exploiting fear of rape for all the power you can get to the point where actual rape victims concerns are pushed aside so phony victims can claim their boyfriend threatening to leave them for refusing sex ought be considered an attempted rape and actual rape even if the accuser consented to sex.
Asshole, I take rape far more seriously than nitheads like you.
What I don’t accept is asswipings faking accusations after finding out some ‘friend’ might’ve seen them blowing some degenerate after mooching a nose full of cocaine off of him, and the like.
The only thing I see you taking is offense in people calling you out on the hatred you spew.
What’s up with your obsession with cocaine? Maybe you should rather campaign against illegal drug usage since most of your problems seem to start with women taking cocaine.
What I write is crystal clear, jackass.
People who willingly degrade themselves and then endanger others are a societal ill that needs to be removed.
Real rape is a whole different issue (which of course should be dealt with most severely).
Yes, your hate is indeed crystal clear. Luckily you are in no position of power to define what “real rape” is.
By the way your constant resorting to open insult is getting old.
You can troll someone else. I’m out. Sayonara.
Yes, your hate is indeed crystal clear. Luckily you are in no position of power to define what “real rape” is.
By the way your constant resorting to open insult is getting old.
You can troll someone else. I’m out. Sayonara.
Sorry, but I just had to come back for this. I found this too good to not share with you.
Even your beloved Guru “Mr. Roosh” thinks that false rape accusations don’t actually exist in noteworthy quantities.
http://www.rooshv.com/when-no-means-yes
“Yes it does, particularly in N. America, jackhole, just pay attention to the daily news there.”
Citation needed.
I had a friend who went to her friends house. She wasn’t there but her dad was. This 19 year old coed decided to wait as he told her that she would be back anytime and, being her friends dad, she trusted him. She wasn’t boozing or doing drugs. She wanted to study. What the dad neglected to tell her was that his daughter had left with her mother for the weekend to help an ailing family member and forgot to tell her about the change in plans. Then he raped her over and over again. He beat her down into submission and held her hostage in the family’s basement. When the daughter returned home with her mother, he told them what he had done. The police came and then took him away in cuffs. He’s serving a very long prison sentence. So, if Roosh V had his way and a law like this took effect, then what this man did to this young girl would be completely legal as it happened on his property. You’re under this impression that women who are raped are asking for it. She didn’t ask for it. You, and people who think like you, are freaks. The only reason I can think that a man would want this to be legal is so that he can do the same horrifying acts that were perpetrated by the man I just spoke of, a man who neighbors described as a “family man committed to God, his family, and the community.” The only thing this “law” would do is increase the number of rapes. Teach men not to rape. No means no. A real man will only want a woman of she gives her consent.
Also, there are many women who have had regrettable sex and didn’t accuse their partner of rape. Why? Because it wasn’t rape. You’re delusional if you think the majority of rapists are wrongly accused and innocent. Do you have daughters? If not, someday you may. I hope that, what happened to my friend never happens to someone close to you.
Another thing I want to say is that it doesn’t matter if she’s been drinking or done drugs. If she’s been raped, then the sex offender should be jailed. If the only way a man can get into a woman’s pants is if she’s unconscious, then he is a loser!
What about women who are unknowingly drugged? They have ONE drink and suddenly they’re in a room with someone that targeted them? Would you stand by and let it happen if you knew? If so, then I hope someday you’re in the same boat. I assume you’re a man. If you would just stand there with the “She deserves it” mentality, then I hope a really fat and ugly woman drops something into your drink. Will you report her? No you wouldn’t because you’d feel humiliated and wouldn’t want anyone to know.
Baffled by your impressively lengthy and delusional sounding ramble.
You’d probably benefit more from discussing this with your mental-health care providers, than in a comments section online.
You’re an obvious coward. Rather that debating me or discussing the concerns I have regarding such a “law” you resort to insults. I can do that also. It’s hilarious but all that proves is that you’re incapable of talking to someone whose intelligence is far superior to yours. Such a law would escalate rapes, not decrease them but I get it. You’re a mysoginist that doesn’t care unless it involves you. So, if such a law were to exist, I hope it flows both ways, including men, and that you find yourself at the mercy of a man or women that shows you just how flawed and fu€ked up a scenario it is to be raped. Until it’s you or someone you care about, it won’t register in that pea sized mind you call a brain. You would far benefit from being an @$$hole in a small group of friends than post comments online lest karma comes to find you. It does exist. Perhaps you’re the way you are because, like the San Diego shooter, no woman will give you the time of day. Is that it? You can’t get laid? Sucks to be you, ugly.
Listen, cuntly. I hate hypocrites.
I don’t owe you shit, douchebag – especially not regarding an argument that was over 2 months ago, shitferbrains.
You came late to the party, deal with it, fugly. Maybe try a new diet or depilatory, just fuck off.
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Looks like a perfect fit for your ass.
You’re right about what you’re saying, but then you go off with ridiculous attacks on people on appearance and penis size? Why make good points and then destroy your credibility like that?
What a whiner. No arguments? Then you insult. Well, to need mental health care you must have a brain. To show you have a brain you must have ideas, logic, valid points. You sound just like a broken record. Nothing but bullying people. No one taught you how to be part of the society and you call other people “delusional”? LOL
So, 4 months later, this is what your inclusive support group helped you come up with as a concise, stinging reply? Ouch, that smarts. Now go make your cat a sandwich.
what is the difference between real rape and made up bullshit?
Sorry bro, but no matter how much you beg for it you won’t get a response from me before you’re capable of constructing something even remotely reminiscent of an argument.
Feel free to leave more highly intellectual one-liners under my comments.
Maybe I’ll read them and have a chuckle, maybe I won’t. Meh.
White knight obviously wishes some man with a real penis would consensually simulate anal rape on him…
I always had a hunch that you don’t fully grasp this “consent” concept. But thanks for clarifying that.
You are quite the retard – should I be complimenting the mongoloid special ed you received on giving you the ability to use a computer?
I’m so glad you finally showed to everyone you are not only a misogynist, a liar, a sociopath but a nazi too. Nice!
I’d invite you to suck my balls, but I wouldn’t want to get them dirty.
Your confession is noted.
Friend this discussion is for adults. If you don’t understand basic concepts then you don’t belong here.
You don’t know the ‘new’ definition of rape?
Educate yourself, Sonny!
You ever go out on a Friday/ Saturday night? the shit I have seen and stood in shock disbelief at what some women will do for a bit of the old pork sword. We all stood by and laughed it off. But if it had been a guy performing like that he would have gotten the crap kicked out of him. I know sex assaults happen and they happen in varying degrees of assault from downright violence to men taking liberties with what No really means and claiming to be confused or she never really meant it is a shitty excuse. But to believe what the media and the feminazis have portrayed it be rife is just a load of shit to further along and agenda or criminalizing people with a penis. Remember this A drunk man and a drunk women engaging in sex together consensual at the time is not rape of a women the next morning if she regrets it unless it is also rape of a man too. Can’t have 2 drunk people engaging in sex willingly and one is raped and other just be the raper.
I’m so sorry your lack of maternal love or education produced such a profound sense of victim good mentality in your reasoning and that you believe this bullshit is real.
Fuck you and your ilk, dickhead – if I need a hug, I’ve got a wife of decades and 5 good kids to choose from, not to mention the good people I know who aren’t suffering from the type of brain disease you are.
Shouldn’t your wife’s Stockholm Syndrome have worn off by now? Or do you still threaten her to keep her in line?
Jealous much, beast?
Yes, I’m turning green. On no, wait, that’s just the Hulk syndrome setting in.
You wish, it’s actually your candida infection overgrowing the fetid crevasses on your morbidly obese body.
You must have me confused for your average PUA or MRA, my friend
you have a wife? I noticed you didn’t say you had a happy marriage…. just a wife of decades. Do you call her a slut also? How about daughters? Have any of those? You have been intimate with “countless” “broads”. I doubt it – now I just think you are a$$hole.
You ”think” he’s an asshole? How is there any doubt? Bitter, jealous old man. Kinda laughable his lack of knowledge as well. Cocaine isn’t like the cheap booze he drowns his sorrows in every night alone – you’re not gonna blow someone on it haha
Obviously v[agina] fran[chise] never worked as a janitor in a club, or even waited in line for the toilet stall…
Yeah, they all claim to be in fabulous relationships, & yet have no respect whatsoever for women.
Yes somehow I think their wives would have another response
I hope you didn’t raise your kids with your beliefs, I hope you didn’t teach them to be as big a dick as you. Aren’t you a bit old for supporting RooshV?
And I have faith that you’ll understand my meaning:
“I don’t have time for people whom it will not affect thinking they have a right to say what happens in a city they don’t live in.”
That’s all I have to say about an argument that was over already 2 months ago, loser.
Mate if you have kids and your defending a man who said we should legalize rape you have issues. Also when the comment section is worth a read on sites like this it shows you how disgusting people can be.
And how stupid.
The global feminationalsocialist agenda is dead serious, dangerous to men, women, children, whites, minorities – ie, all of humanity.
Yet an obese, obtuse, dull and off-putting cuntbag like you doesn’t get what the point of the article was – to stop trivialising rape and its victims by broadening the definition until it means everything and nothing.
Fat and stupid is no good way to go through life, gash.
I didn’t realise that a 26 inch waist is obese now ? I love how you assume my size because my beliefs also do you know what socialism is? Because you pretty much don’t understand feminism.
How many rape victims do you know? Because rape awareness is not trivialising. Did you know 2/3’s of rapes a caused by someone the victim knew? Or that the vast majority of rapes are under reported to police and that falsified rape cases stands no higher than any other crime rate. I hope you don’t have a daughter will ever have to suffer a situation in which this could happen to her. Ignorant and backwards is not away to live a life either.
Yes, giving rights to women is a danger for the Whole humanity. Treating women as they are people is a danger for the Whole humanity. Stereotypes, insults, bullying, trivializing rape, misogyny, insulting obesity, instead, all of these are soooo good for the humanity.
Learn to think before demonstrating how feebleminded you are, sweetcheeks, just a tip.
He has no kids, he had no women whatsoever. He’ll die a virgin.
Oh, I see. So he is pointing out the difference between something that actually happens in the real world and a scenario that exists almost solely in the minds of MRAs.
So, I guess you’re agreeing this isn’t intended to be satire, then.
stoned and cocaine in the same sentence is a great indicator of how full of shit you are.
Obviously, your expert opinion, asscrack.
having sex with anyone who does not want to have sex with you.. is rape.. you complete monkey brained dumbass.
You have a lot of anger inside of you.
only for stupid ppl who write this junk…
What about people wrongly accused of rape and sent to prison? That was the point of the article. You seem to support that via your anger.
im writing via my anger.. im not angry ..im saying the truth.. ppl who get sent to prison..b/c of a lie.. is not right either.. just like writing this junk.. its stupid. you cant say oh if you don’t want to be raped don’t be alone with a man.. that’s more insulting to men.. but that’s what its saying.
Correct but they dont get to change their minds after the fact.
another one… this story is saying this basically.. if you don’t want to be raped don’t be alone with a man.. sounds stupid… but.. that’s basically the jist.
Yes, he was comparing a real, if rare, occurrence (usually it’s a degenerate raping a woman who can’t consent, a state which he is careful to induce), to a completely made-up scenario.
That’s a fantastical scenario, pulled out of your ass to make rape seem implausible. Let me put it this way. I know women who have been raped, sometimes as children, by an acquaintance or family member. Women can also be raped when they are drunk etc. because at that time they are more vulnerable.
I have also been falsely accused of rape by someone whom I never got physical with at all. Fortunately no one believed her.
The point is, I’m not going to pretend that both things don’t happen.
Let me explain how a rape investigation works. Hopefully you might realize there are less false reports than Roosh makes out. First a woman must go to the police. If she’s showered since the attack she shouldn’t even bother going in. Next she will be asked a long barrage of deeply personal and sickly detailed questions. Finally, she is taken to a room out of sight and after what has just happened she must strip naked in front of a stranger with a camera to document external bruises, burns, lascerations, etc. Next the real fun begins. If the report even makes it this far, an officer will take the young lady to a hospital or clinic where they usually go for this kind of thing and a doc will run a rape kit. First a speculum is inserted and the woman is stretched wide with her feet up in stirrups. She is continually asked increasingly detailed questions mixed in with the obvious “What were you wearing? Did you have anything to drink? Did you lead him on?” During this time the doc pushes and probes around the walls of her vagina and around her cervix looking for (yup… you guessed it) bruising, tearing, and other signs of trauma. Believe it or not, during most instances of rape, a woman’s vagina is most often severely torn in specific positions and the cervix is often deeply bruised. If evidence of trauma is discovered, a swab will be scraped around her inner walls in search of semen. (Better hope he went bareback and doesnt have HIV). Once all of this is said and done, and the girl is allowed to leave… safe and secure in the knowledge that out of every 100 reported rapes… well… at least 3 will see a day in jail.
Now why the hell would a woman choose to go through that on a lark??
Because she does not have to. All she has to do is make a public accusation and he is presumed guilty without trial resulting in loss of job friends and support, yeah nothing ever happens to a man before the trial and evidence is presented right.
You do realize the negative press a woman who makes a public accusation receives, yes? It is generally presumed she’s lying, she “had it coming”, or brought it on herself somehow. Guys will accuse her of being a slut and “wanting it” while women will scorn her for being “easy”. Now think about how it feels if the woman isn’t lying. If even the sanctity of her own body has been ripped away. Think about if it was your sister… your mother… your niece.
If you’re really that concerned, here are the statistics –
“The instance of false reports of rape and sexual assault are about 2%, about the same as other crimes.” (FBI, 2014)
What negative press? That is such bs no paper or newscaster could do anything like that unless it was a democrat politician like clinton as the abuser then media WOMEN will protect the rapist. And it was my wife it happened to. the only time anyone will utter nonsoothing words is the defense attorney at trial where they will not allow the victim to be filmedand made public.
Forgive my choice of words. I believe I was misunderstood. “Negative press”, in my area of the country, refers not only to published works and media. In this instance I was referring to it in the sense of the local rumor mill and, specifically, to a woman’s reputation. We were also not discussing women filing actual charges, but as you’d stated, the ones who merely make a public accusation without legal backing. I apologize for any misunderstanding… one of the hazards of text communication.
no problem meaning can be easily misunderstood with just text responses. As for not filing actual charges I do not know where you are from but in the backwoods where I live the safest place for an accused rapist is in police custody, I am ashamed to say as a teen I helped beat up an innocent man falsely accused of such a crime and is the reason I now need evidence before flying off the handle.
Yipes. I mean, I’m in somewhat backwoods, but it’s also a college town. There’s a certain degree of back and forth. I’m in one of those towns where most folks know most other folks, so we’re pretty good about looking after our own and considering the source… but if it happens to a college gal (not a townie), and she hasn’t made a direct report to police, odds are no one will believe her and she will be slut-shamed. I don’t agree with slut-shaming at all, however there’s also not a high degree of the “Cry Wolf” mentality either. We also know in our little town based on where an attack is said to have occurred whether or not it can be believed. There is a TKE fraternity house that used to be well known for it. I’m not sure if the new generation of TKEs are following in the previously stamped footsteps, and I hope they’re not… but if a girl says she went to the TKE house? Odds are she’s telling the truth. Unfortunately she’s also likely to be run out of town by those within or friends with the frat. It’s a hard thing to question.
I’d love to hear some *legitimate* ideas about how to prevent rapes from happening, but making it legal on private property is just silly. Technically, wouldn’t that also make it legal for a man to rape a man on private property, too? I imagine the idea loses its sparkle when we realize men can be victims, too.
Well I think he wrote the article that way because whenever a man even a husband and father tries to talk about how to prevent it we are invariably shouted down by women who seem to think I dont mind my wife or little girl having this kind of trauma and should have no part in the discussion.
I can only hope he meant it to be facetious, or that maybe he was drunk and didn’t think it through… but then the video of him trying to explain the legitimacy of his idea came out. Just sad, really. For my part, I have taken to teaching some of my female peers about situational awareness, self defense techniques, and taking a number out to the firing range and helping them through the concealed carry courses. It’s unfortunate, but the whole “teach men not to rape” approach doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense. I’m willing to bet that the men that commit this atrocity weren’t raised with the idea that it was acceptable behavior.
He has a video saying this is a serious idea?? I thought he was illustrating the absurd with more absurdity. As for self defense my older brother is happily teaching my son and daughter what he learned as a martial arts instructor for special forces it is just a shame everyone cant learn from family about that.
Yup. Link attached. He really believes that making rape legal on private property will somehow decrease harm to women… and he really doesn’t seem to understand why everyone is so upset.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxjc37i0JOc
Well as the son of a Lady who should probably be a saint (I was a little hellion) husband of a rape victim and father of a beautiful little girl who will one day be a woman I have 4 word to say about making this reality OVER MY DEAD BODY.
Absolutely agreed! Thank you for being one of the few good men!
What I can’t fathom, given that I seriously doubt any guy was raised to think rape was okay… is what happens. What changes in the male mind that even allows the entertainment of this kind of idea? Maybe if there were a way to determine how the big brother protecting his little sis could turn out to be the guy at the party nailing the unconscious chick… or even Roosh V. What happens that turns young men believing in love… into monsters who believe it’s something they can steal? Where’s the disconnect?
Not certain but rationalization helps I am sure, kinda like the store is so big I can take this and they wont notice. Most probably start that process after realizing they have been lied to about what the other sex wants for their whole lives. Others are probably just evil but I do not really understand what they are thinking or how they got there.
When these ideas and beliefs violate the very fiber of our moral structure, it’s very difficult to imagine how that change can happen in a person. I really wish there was a better understanding of how it happens so we as a community could work to prevent that change from ever happening. Honestly, this is part of the reason I take part in discussions on this forum. These poor guys are being fed so much wrong information and believing it wholesale that I fear most will never find a long-term fulfilling relationship that is not based on manipulation. I can certainly understand the frustration level that brings them to the PUA culture, and I fear a great deal of that builds up by a lack of overall self-knowledge (in men and women alike) and a lack of understanding in how to have an open, candid discussion. Thank you immensely for listening and not casting my views aside.
Unfortunately only you can help complete the conversation so long as a sizable number of women freeze men out of the conversation it will never get solved much like the racism conversation until all races are allowed to be heard the problem will never get hashed out let alone anything really get done about it.
It is truly unfortunate the number of women (and men, too) who get caught up in the need to be right in order to feel heard. I wish I could teach a course in communication and ethical debate to a wide audience, but for now the only person I can control is myself. I have hopes that eventually conversation can go both ways. I have to at least try.
Exactly just because I may disagree does not mean I didnt understand what you said nor does it mean I didnt listen it means we are having a conversation screaming over me and at me is not going to change my mind, hearing me out and pointing out what I may be mistaken on has a better chance. Of course I think the maddest I ever was at my wife was when she said you dont understand I responded you are right I dont please explain it to me. Her response was well if you dont understand I am not going to explain it. I had to go for a walk.
Absolutely! Too often I try to engage in conversation (and I’m sure you’ve had to deal with this too, especially from what you’ve said about the experience with your wife) and anything said which challenges what the other party thinks is met with the “you don’t understand” brush off. Doesn’t do anyone any good and just tends to derail a conversation and degenerate it into a screaming match. I really have to thank you for being so open with me. Here are two perfect strangers having a conversation, and in the imperfect medium of text no less!
I really think the only way to prevent rapes from occuring is to allow women to defend themselves and use the death penalty on convicted rapists. dna is very convincing and women should know to scratch such attackers hard and often to obtain samples under their nails. Aside from that there is really not much we can do we can minimize the risk but not eradicate it.
The death penalty for convicted rapists could not be a sweeping policy, as there is that small percentage (about 2%) that are wrongfully accused. I believe for those whose cases are not in any doubt (video or photo evidence, several witnesses, etc) I feel that chemical castration would be a better option than death. If you stab someone, they take your knife away, run someone down with your car and they’ll likely take your license, shoot someone in cold blood and they take your guns away. No need to execute the attacker when you can take away the weapon. As for the scratching suggestion, that gives me another thought… what if women’s self defense classes were a college requirement for young women and this idea were included?
I think the whole thing comes from the horribly backwards attitude that people have toward sex. There’s essentially an unwritten societal conspiracy to prevent children from knowing about sex until approximately the average age at which they reach puberty. As a child, the whole fact that it has to be hidden for so long and never talked about afterward is a message saying “This is bad, this is wrong, this is dirty”. But then they realize that most people want to have sex anyway, and do. So now you have adolescents thinking, at least at some level, that “sex is wrong but people do it anyway because they want to, so it must be OK to do bad sexual things if you want”. Then, consider the gender roles that children have been directly or indirectly taught since birth on top of that. Children spend their time observing the world and what people do, then emulating it and integrating it into their understanding of how the world is. “Male = strong, aggressive, and emotionless” and “Female = weak, docile, and melodramatic” get ingrained into them from a young age from a variety of sources: books, parents, Disney movies, toys, other children, other adults, TV. Boys are taught not to express any emotions except for happiness and anger, and are discouraged from developing emotional and communication skills. It’s not a big leap from all of that in combination with “sex is bad but do it anyway” to a tacit understanding of a world in which sex is something that men are supposed to be aggressive in getting from reluctant women with no desire for meaningful relationships or concern for the well-being of others. The eventual result is that even though society in general acknowledges that rape is wrong, many of its members end up with a general acceptance of the ideas used to justify it, and many eventually put the corrupted belief systems that they have developed into practice.
He is a rapist !!!! Read excerpts from his books. He enjoys hurting women and leaving them sobbing. He tells men to regularly visualize choking women while fucking them in the ass. He likes rape!!!
I heard you the first time. Oddly enough I have never heard any man say anything positive about rape, yet I keep hearing we are told these things.
Sister not facetious. He rapes. He gets turned on by the thought of rape. Read his actual words.
He is a self admitted rapist. He doesn’t want to reduce rape. He admits he is turned on by rape and hurting women. He says men should regularly visualize choking Women while fucking them in the ass. He doesn’t hold back. He think rape is a turn on. He doesn’t want rape to be reduced.
Men absolutely need to be a part of the discussion. They’re the ones with the most power to stop it. I’ve known women who have been raped while wearing no makeup and in baggy clothing. I’ve known quite a few women who now refuse to dress femininely in any way. They tape down their breasts and hide their hair in ballcaps. They are not lesbians, but rather choose to avoid any physical entanglement with anyone. They are then chided for dressing unfemininely and touted as the kind of woman RooshV continually rips on but actually helps to create.
Dont know who RooshV is but until women stop acting like men are the problem and include us in the solution nothing will change just as the NOW wants
The majority of the time when a woman is raped by a coworker she is the one fired or forced out not the rapists. Women are more likely to be threatened or assaulted due to reporting rape than the rapists. People are more likely to support the rapist. If it’s an athlete accused sales of his jersey go up not down.
Not in any place I have ever lived. Maybe in the movies but not in reality.
What you listed is simply due dilligence, which is a crucial part of an investigation coupled with a pap smear used for DNA testing.
All those who claim that they were raped and don’t want to go though an investigation to bring justice, are most likely lying.
If such due diligence had better results than 3%, I imagine more women would be willing to endure the process… however, and this is unfortunate, only 3 reported rapists out of 100 will ever even spend a day in jail. There really needs to be a better way… both to insure the woman is not left humiliated and violated a second time for nothing… and to also protect men against any false accusation that may take place. With all our technological advances, you’d think this would already be a reality. The sad thing is, honestly, a question of priorities. Lawmakers seem to be more concerned with legislating a woman’s reproductuve choices than they are about putting an end to the barbarism and reality of rape. Even over the past week, I have heard of 3 proposed bills within my and neighboring states designed to limit a woman’s access to abortion practitioners… EVEN in instances where a woman is impregnated by her rapist. Honestly, if there are any engineers or medical practitioners on this forum, I would challenge them to begin brainstorming ideas. We need a better way to identify rape trauma, retrieve DNA, and assist prosecution. Such a technology should also be able to identify and document rape related vaginal and anal trauma to make false reporting less likely as well.
Rape has gone down at least 45% within the last twenty years and it’s even less on campuses.
Instead of the 1 in five bunk you feminists like to use it’s more .03 and five.
There is already an instance of DNA identification with rape kits, they go unused because rape liars would rather play professional victim, thereby legitimizing the claims of actual victims.
Here are recent statistics from a non-biased source:
https://www.rainn.org/statistics
Secondly, please do not use the term feminist as a slur… Feminist means, and I recognize where the confusion could arise, one who believes in equality regardless of gender.
Thirdly, while I am definitely glad to see some slight (spoiler alert: It’s nowhere near 45%) decrease in rape overall, that unfortunately doesn’t un-rape those who have been previously affected. By giving into the idea that many of these women are liars (funny, since the statistics seem to show that 68% of rapes go unreported) you are helping only to deepen the hurt of women whose truth was left unheard… 97% of all those who report rape.
I could personally tell you the story of a male friend of mine who almost went to jail after getting his 14 year old friend out of a guy’s house. He knew her soccer coach and seemed nice. She had spoken to him several times and he offered her a ride home after practice since she usually walked. She was hospitalized for hymenal, vaginal, and anal tearing after losing nearly a pint of blood… but he wore a condom. He walked. Later, my friend and a few of his buddies beat the shit out of the guy. When the guy’s father confronted my friend and found out *why* the guy got his ass beat (ps… guy was 36) his father confronted him about it. The guy confessed to what he did and went to turn himself in… but guess what? The cops couldn’t book him because of double jeopardy laws. The girl is 19 now… and I seriously doubt she’ll ever be quite right. Now… think about how that would feel if that was your friend, your sister, your daughter. Did she have it coming? Was she just another little liar trying to get a guy in trouble?
RAINN is a biased source…The DOJ and FBI isn’t.
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4594
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1
I do use the term feminist as a slur because it’s concepts, theories, and polices are predicated upon the bigotry and prejudice against men and boys.
The Miriam Webster dictionary defines actual feminism properly.
fem·i·nism
ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm noun
: the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities
Pretty straightforward. I do agree it would make more sense to use a term like egalitarian, however feminism as a movement spanning a long history, with the word’s first recorded use being in 1895. The principles behind the *actual* feminist movement (not the twisted social concept) was and is that women should have the same rights and opportunities as their male counterparts. This includes the right to drive, the right to vote, equal pay for equal work, and the right to be viewed and treated as subject rather than object. These are the simple driving principles behind what *actual* feminists believe. Anything else, and what most seem to associate with feminism, is actually misandry (man-hating) and does nothing to support feminist ideals. In fact, this sort of behavior and belief is detrimental to the ideals of decent women and truly defined feminists. Just as misogyny is actually detrimental to the interests of decent men.
False rapes do exist and women that don’t want to go through some investigation are more likely than not, lying.
Sex is an act that involves sane, adult and consent of all party involved, not something “get out” from other
Please elaborate…
The very fact that you need more explanation on the simple concept of “consent” is very disturbing
The very fact that you stated the obvious very obtusely and had to be asked to clarify is very disturbing.
Just to help you, shitferbrains, try saying what you mean in the first placr next time, like so:
“I believe sexual relations should only occur between sane adults, consensually”.
To which I would have responded, “No shit Sherlock, therefore don’t drink/drug and fuck. And if that’s the only way you can get any, or the only way the cumdumpsters will let you have some, you would be wise to abstain”.
Cumdumpsters….
What a lovely individual you´re….
Thank you, the flowers you sent me were quite unexpected this time of year.
Actually, Mr. Roosh quite literally said “Let’s make rape legal.”
Cocaine actually sobers one up so your point here is invalid. A man shouldn’t take advantage of a woman if she is too drunk to make a proper judgement. Just like a woman shouldn’t take advantage of a man who is too drunk to make a judgement.
Everybody’s somebody’s Everything.
Nobody’s nothing at all.
Or maybe you’re just a rapist trying to make it easier to rape.
You’re confusing me with either your dad or your uncle Bruce.
By the way, Bruce asks you to bring him more Charmin and Vaseline next visiting day, gash.
Unfortunately, regardless of what you or the simple-minded SJWs that upvoted your post think, girls changing their minds the day after a night of bad decisions doesn’t make them rape victims. It makes them mentally unstable and irresponsible children.
Exactly! Luckily we have open-minded Roosh_V fanboys to tell us the truth!
It’s time we finally take action agains this rampant injustice!
It’s time we finally stand up and fight for the rights of poor, underpriviledged straight white males!
Screw those raging bitches aka women.
What are a hundred actual female rape victims and their destroyed lives compared to the fate of one noble man who has his reputation damaged by a false rape accusation?
I say we end this stigma once and for all and finally give white straight males all the power and privilege they so rightfully deserve!
Roosh is Iranian. Unfortunately it’s not just white men who can be misogynists.
No absolutely not. But here in the western wolrd where I happen to live many white straight males are kind of comically infuriated by the “oppression” they receive from women, moslems, homosexuals or people of colour.
Cheers!
oh you little inconsistent hypocrite
“Inconsistent” to what, whack job?
I read Uranian originally. This explains everything. Rooshv, admit it, you just pull all of the stuff you write out of ur anus.
Your misandry has been noted.
Yep, that’s you
Noted for what? You keeping track of all the big bad women?
Yep, and morbidly obese smelly oasty broads like you aren’t the only ones suffering shitferbrains life.
Wipe the drool from the keyboard, boy; it’s beginning to slosh over onto the page.
wow white males huh funny when did this become about race?
Gee, good think that doesn’t even begin to make up all cases of rape.. no matter how much you MRAs like to tell yourselves and each other that it does.
Yes, let’s do something about the countless hordes of women making next day rape accusations out of regret for their slutty behavior! They must be stopped!
And how will we know their claims are fabricated? Why, we’ll just ask the men they’re accusing! Because … ya’ know … no man would never lie about raping someone.
No, we’ll know whether or not their claims are true or fabricated based on evidence, as opposed to appeal to emotion.
Which also means you won’t automatically presume a woman is lying when she claims to have been raped, right?
You HAVE to assume innocence until guilt is proven. Y’know, “innocent until proven guilty,” that kind of thing? Otherwise the person has to prove a negative; they have to prove that they DIDN’T do what they’re accused of, which is ridiculous. The person making the accusation OBVIOUSLY has the responsibility to prove that the accusation is true. Otherwise, everyone would always have to have an alibi, and no one could be alone for more than a few minutes, because they wouldn’t have an alibi. They wouldn’t be able to prove they DIDN’T commit the crime, so where does that leave them? Falsely imprisoned, sound like. So the accuser has to prove they were where the crime occurred, committing the crime; the accused doesn’t have to prove they didn’t.
So yeah, you assume the accuser is lying until they convince you otherwise, with evidence. That’s how the justice system works. Should that be changed?
You’re confusing the suspected or accused right to presumed innocence throughout the adjudication process with the responsibility of the police to investigate dispassionately and follow the evidence.
True enough. My mistake.
Sorry to take so long to respond, man–I’ve been neglecting this stuff. I don’t think anyone automatically presumes a woman is lying when she claims to have been raped, unless that person has been falsely accused, himself. You have to be pretty jaded to have an attitude like that. Most reasonable people would assume there’s a reason for the claim, but we should never forget proof is necessary for a conviction. Appeal to emotion isn’t enough to warrant putting someone away. Fortunately, these cases are few and with the ease of video recording, will hopefully become fewer.
People automatically presume it all the time, John. I’ve seen it happen in my professional life countless times and in my personal life more than once. And you don’t need to have been falsely accused to run with such presumptions; you need only be attached to beliefs conducive to them.
Frankly, I’m a little tired of exhortations to not forget legal burdens of proof being directed at those who aren’t suggesting those burdens be put aside. This isn’t about the burden of proof; it’s about the effect of these presumptions. They can, from the outset, taint the investigative process meant to find proof (if any), and bias those taking part in the adjudication process.
And having sex with unstable and irresponsible children is what exactly?
I am pretty sure what you are describing here is the definition of the worst form of rape.
How can you assume that an unstable and irresponsible child could ever consent to sex in the first place and how can you defend yourself for either knowing that she is a (mentally at least) child or for not knowing her well enough to even figure out her mental state before raping her?
Disclaimer: I know NO woman who defined a sexual act as rape if it was not rape. I do not believe the line of them being too stupid to know whom to have sex with. I am simply following the argument to show how it is faulty logic.
You just stated your opinion. Nothing more. Now fuck back off to counselling your drama whores with their raoe and abuse fantasies.
I also want to extend my invitation to you:
I do not care for men in a sexual way, but i would make an exception for you.
Please, come visit me in my home and let’s test this theory on yourself.
And since that never really happens, we know who the actual mentally unstable & irresponsible child is.
“And since that never really happens…”
http://kdvr.com/2014/08/29/woman-convicted-for-falsely-accusing-man-of-kidnapping-raping-her/
Sorry I forgot I would have to spoon feed you (aggregate as well). “That never really happens” means “statistically insignificant.” Which is what these rare stories are.
http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s3592956.shtml#.VPI6p-FWG1v
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2786775/Woman-sex-friend-s-son-pretended-raped-felt-guilty.html
How many examples do you need to start caring about innocent people being accused of crimes?
When are you going to stop putting words into my mouth before you acknowledge that your outrage is deliberately blind & unfairly directed?
What the fuck’s an SJW? And I actually agree with your statement, “girls changing their minds the day after a night of bad decisions doesn’t make them rape victims. It makes them mentally unstable and irresponsible children.” What I take issue with his the shockingly stupid suggestion that we redefine rape to exclude instances that occur in a victim’s home. That makes it obvious he has no intention of saying anything serious about rape, because he doesn’t care about rape victims. He just wants to disseminate his dumb misogyny.
you are a hypocrite
I don’t think you know what that word means.
oh but i do
Arrr good old authoritarian tactic: If you can’t refute a speakers message, discredit the speaker.
So would you like another shot, this time actually refuting what he said in this article…. Because the guy could eat babies in kitten sauce & what he said here would still be correct.
Okay, just to clarify, this is an ‘article’ (although that seems too dignified a word) called “How To Stop Rape,” and what the author says in it is that the way to do this is to legalize rape if, and I quote, “done on private property.” And what you’re saying is not only is this a correct solution to the problem of rape, but because I didn’t ever take it seriously enough to offer a point-by-point rebuttal, that means I can’t “refute” his knock-down argument, so I use “authoritarian tactics” to “descredit the speaker.”
Have I got that right?
See, that was at least an actual rebuttal..
However I think you missed the point of this article entirely: He’s not talking about making rape legal at all, he’s utilizing hyperbole to demonstrate exactly how little agency women act with when it comes to rape & next day buyers remorse after a drunkedn hook-up.
The idea of making rape legal on private property was made to be deliberately stupid & argumentative: You are meant to be offended by it & say “no that’s not true, women totally are responsible for their own safety already.”
That if we criminalized female sexuality like we do male sexuality their would be an outcry, just like the outcry you just issued.
The absolute silliness of the position is lampooning the feminist position that women are all barely sentient toddlers, whose agency is completely removed by simply being in the same room as alcohol.
“Let me offer a counterargument: you’re an idiot.”
That would be an Ad Hom.
Oh that’s an ad hom, is it? Thanks for schooling me in logic, fool.
“the feminist position that women are all barely sentient toddlers, whose agency is completely removed by simply being in the same room as alcohol”
Yeah I think I remember learning about that in Women’s Studies.
“Oh that’s an ad hom, is it? Thanks for schooling me in logic, fool.”
Another classic example of the Ad Hom.
“Yeah I think I remember learning about that in Women’s Studies.”
If you ever partook in a women’s studies class that’s EXACTLY what you would have learnt, of course when they teach it, it’ll be put into more PC terms of paternal protection by government as some kind of sugar daddy since women’s studies & feminism are both predicated on social Marxism.
“That, oddly, reminds me of the PUA position, which sees women as a kind cigarette machine that dispenses a warm vagina.”
yep, since feminism & PAU are both about lying to women, as to get what you want out of them.
Oh my god, you’re so boring.
“Oh my god, you’re so boring with your incomprehensible right-wing talking points”
LOL, now we are back to appeal to motive: You’ve gone back to trying to discredit the speaker because you can’t refute what the speaker is saying.
Really?
Google Jonathan Swift misanthropist.
See?
Remove head from Baldur’s Ás.
What rape victims?
The real ones we should actually be concerned about or the garbage ones that are cluttering up the justice system with their bullshit?
So I could be all chastefully tucked up in my bed at night, some random man could break into my house and forcibly have sex with me… and that’s not rape. Rrrriiiggghhht.
Sadly, he hasn’t. He’s just a joke that doesn’t understand even the basic rudimentary aspects of satire or irony. He’s just a sick mess: One I will soon seduce and embarrass to the point where perhaps he’ll commit hari kari.
You obviously haven’t acquainted yourself with Jonathan Swift. Ask yourself who Roosh is mocking, and then ask who Swift was mocking. Is Roosh making an exaggerated over-the-top suggestion while knowing it’s an awful reprehensible idea, or is he making an exaggerated over-the-top suggestion that fits in with his ideas?
It’s closer to the 2nd.
Dude… that was a bit sad on your part.
That was a bit empty on yours
Well, I hope you’re feeling better.
Except it’s actually reasonable to assume that a misogynist made an extremely misogynistic article.
Lots of SJWs have no idea Roosh or Swift were being facetious. Make rape legal AND eat Irish children? OMG MRA CANNIBALISM!
If one goes by some of the comments on this thread, I would have to agree with you.
And now I’m hungry.
No, he was serious. He made a video defending the proposal. He’s a complete lunatic.
About halfway through I assumed it was satire too, sadly it’s not satire. Roosh actually believes this stuff.
ditto
But babies taste so good…
Good one.
I’m pretty sure Swift was attacking the victim blamers. Roosh, on the other hand, is supporting the victim blaming “logic” behind his “thought experiment”. This is hyperbole, not satire.
It’s a tortured “logic”, at that.
A drunk plowing their vehicle into another drunk person, against their will, would still be the criminal. A drunk plowing their penis into another drunk person, against their will, would still be the criminal.
If a man got drunk, wandered into a bad neighbourhood, then got beat up and robbed, he would still be treated like a possible crime victim, whether his memory was foggy, or not.
If a woman got drunk, passed out at a house party, then got raped in her sleep, she should still be treated like a possible crime victim, whether her memory is foggy, or not.
It is also arguing along the lines that every male’s home should be treated like said bad neighbourhood…that you need to be wary of them…that you need to stay alert and vigilant around them.
Doesn’t make for a great argument about men, either.
This is sad because it used to be like this. Women used to have class and would not drink to excess in public unless they were with their husband or fiance. No reasonable man is looking to hurt any woman, much less rape them. Most men find violence against women stomach turning.
These days woman get drunk and and sleep around, then want to blame the men they sleep with for their actions. It is sad…
Even the mediocre looking ‘good girls’/virgins are attracted to bad qualities in men, therefore making them useless for LTR. As they say, serial monogamy is the new promiscuity, and any equity built up for an LTR is wasted. Most men think their women don’t cheat, but they do on the sly, and even during the good years most women have another dick on standby. The only solution to this I have seen is to be an abusive man, to the point of hitting a girl, so she can express her femininity. At the expense of a jail sentence. Modern culture has meant that men need to assert their dominance in an extreme way to keep amen faithful.
Women when allowed to roam free just follow their vaginas to destroy society – and men in allowing this degeneracy to occur, have become experts in thirsting after women to their detriment.
Lack of belief in God is what historically has shown to result in cultural degeneration. Even atheism is a belief system/religion, which cannot be proved; its based on feelings without overwhelming evidence.
LOL silly – Point yer gawd out to me – if ya got evidence, should be easy to produce.
Nah – Religion is rank superstition.
Yep, the Holy Bible 2.0 santifies rape a lot – – No wonder where ya find rape apologists and rape justifiers, ya find rightwad Bible-bangers.
“Bible sanctifies rape a lot” – right, now you point that out, if you got evidence….
Women captured in war have for thousands of years been property of their captors. Having sex with one’s female property is not rape, for rape is taking something (usually sex) that one has no right to take. Conquest is the source of most rights. If you don’t believe that, how did you acquire the land you are sitting on? Squatting? The women who the Israelites were ordered to take and fuck were captives, therefore property of their Israelite captors. You’d prefer that they be slaughtered rather than fucked? The Israelites weren’t told to beat the women, cut their clitorises off, hold knives to their throats, or the like. Men, particularly warriors, are stronger and more skilled in physical confrontation than almost all women. After the preliminaries, the Israelite who took her from among the captive women simply seizes her and sticks his dick in her snatch. He can, if he wishes, go thru the amusements described in the Song of Solomon, but whatever he chooses, she gets his semen in her vagina no matter what. It’s the same thing she got or would have gotten from her former pagan owner/husband, so no real problem, and if the pagans she came from hadn’t already done it, she got to keep her clitoris and labia. Where do you think you came from? By all odds you like everyone else are descended from women raped or seized by conquering troops. It’s the way of the ages. Always has been done and will continue to be done.
Guess what, bro, after ‘penalising’ the captive woman, the Israelite had to take care of her for a year in his house (no more fucking), then he had to marry her and can’t divorce her, ever.
The above is confused with the procedure for dealing with a raped free virgin, not a foreign woman taken prisoner in war. She got a month to “bewail” her (presumably massacred) parents, then she got dick. If her master decided he didn’t like her snatch well enough, he had to turn her loose.
Not only have you been reading the Good Book, you’ve been paying attention.
No surprise that you look at it only from the viewpoint of the rapist, not of his victim who is being forced to marry her rapist because she is considered property, not an equal human being.
No more fucking? The guy is already a fucking rapist. Do you think this is going to stop from raping her again? What are they going to do to him? Make him marry her twice?
Actually, marriage was pretty much the best “career” open to a woman in those days, & men had to treat their wives with some respect
(I’ll repost this here so as to not make you go looking for it in the other post: http://vbm-torah.org/archive/intparsha71/49-71kitetze.htm )
Yes, because that society was so wholly male dominated and incredibly misogynistic. It wasn’t a career choice. It wasn’t a choice at all. Also, being forced to marry one’s rapist doesn’t sound too much like the “best” of anything.
… and I highly doubt women were actually allowed to say no to their husbands when it came to sex.
Absolutely, ballsack.
Life was hard in those days, no gender studies and fake jobs like HR, women were useless except for making babies and keeping house. True fact.
Therefore, in exchange for keeping her from starvation or whoredom, women had obligations to the man who married her, as he had to her.
True fact.. from someone who has likely never actually studied any of the archaeology on the subject.
You know, we all know you hate your mommy and the popular blond you were too scared to even talk to in high school. You don’t have to reiterate your irrational hatred of women in every post.
You wish, buttplug.
Please tell us how long you’ve been married, how many times, how many kids, etc., miss loser.
You and your ilk obviously hate yourselves and everybody else.
Yes, I do wish you had actually studied archaeology so you would actually have some clue what you are talking about.
Yeah, guy… you are the one calling women useless, saying their jobs are fake, whining about gender studies even existing… but I’m the one who hates myself and everyone else.
Not sure why it matters, but I’ve never been married, never had any kids, and despite having a decent number of sex partners I’ve never been falsely accused of rape… or justly accused of rape, either.
Den, I wasn’t arguing that it was terrific; I was arguing that *in terms of the way life was back then (male dominated, yes)* it wasn’t as horrible as it sounds to us today.
In Jewish law, women absolutely *are* allowed to say “no”, but not indefinitely. Except under special circumstances, a divorce is called for when two people do *not* have sex within a marriage.
You are very lucky you are not in the same room with me because I would shoot your dick off. You are low life scum who does not deserve to live. I hope you die a horrible death
Hah! Shook a lurking Phemmynyst out of the…uh, bush. Threats of violence and mutilation will get you nowhere. Why, how unkind to behave so toward someone who is opposed to slicing pieces off women’s (and men’s for that matter) nether parts. If the mad Muzzies take over you will either lose your girly bits or die. Guess it’s worth the risk to overthrow the Judeo-Christian-Biblical patriarchy in favor of the Muzzy patriarchy? Meant to ask: Do you have some kind of fetish for artificial penises as in gun barrels? Give you a feeling of power? Shooting stuff out?
One hopes, at the very least, that he gets raped.
May you get your wish from a baker’s dozen of diversified economic migrants.
You ought to turn yourself in before you hurt someone, violent femme psycho.
So fucking slaves isn’t rape, because owners have a right to fuck their slaves.
Ok, great. Now why is slavery a good idea to begin with? And why does a holy book extol it?
And even then, there were rules that made it pretty much impossible to just take & rape some woman.
http://vbm-torah.org/archive/intparsha71/49-71kitetze.htm
This guy literally just stated that neither religion nor atheism can be proved, yet you immediately jumped to “LOL silly – Point yer gawd out to me – if ya got evidence, should be easy to produce.”
You accomplished absolutely nothing other than giving off the image of yourself as a retarded man with mild homoerotic tendencies.
Whether or not there is a god, your arrogance in your beliefs is sickening and beneficial to nobody.
LOFTBOY!!!! Where have you been hiding, man! I dedicated my article today to you.
Actually, there is are several anthropologists who believe the only thing able to overcome the sex drive in humans is the threat of eternal damnation.
Afterall, the only thing that trumps the instinct to reproduce is the instinct to survive.
In the case of the Muslim relgion, they’ve gone for a two-fer by over-riding the survival instinct by saying that not only will dying for Allah get you an esteemed eternal position in heaven, but they also sweetened the pot by offering 72 virgins, thus combining the survival instinct with the reprodcutive instinct if you follow their religion.
Just because you don’t believe in religion doesn’t mean you can’t study it from a scientific viewpoint. And, since religion is universal to all civilizations that have ever existed, it is very much part of the human experience. Therefore, it is neccessary to acknowledge the need for religions to form higher levels of human existence and also is social aspects in forming human society.
It’s pretty simple – even if you hate religion and wanted everyone to be atheist, from a scientific point of view, you’d have to disguise atheism as a religion in order for it to get off the ground and form a civilization that works… at least that’s what a scientist would conclude from all of the evidence.
72 virgin what? Houris? Female cherubs? Catamites? Goats? A mix of the above?
That was one of your best posts.
Point out this Gawd to me – if hes a great big gawd, should be easy to see. If hes a small pocket sized gawd, should be easy to produce.
You do realize you have the reading comprehension of a pre-historic pygmy.
Since when is pointing out the psychological and anthropological aspects of religion – which are universal to human civlization – trying to convince of you any existence in gawd other than to say that no matter where you go, wherever you find civilization, you find religion – and although you can find religion without civilization, you will never be able to find the reverse of a civilzation without relgion. That is pretty darn significant.
The SCIENTIFIC question then becomes why is it it that way, you asshat moron. If atheists were halfway smart they would acknowledge certain universal traits about humanity and religion… and also would examine why an atheist civilization has never taken root. It has certainly been tried before… how come it does not work then.
Fuck you morons are tiring with your insistance upon your own natural right to stupidity. You do realize that a person can recognize Greek religion, Egyptian religion, Muslim and Christian as all being a factor in creating their subsequent civilizations… while still not acknowledging any one of their gods as real, you know. In fact, it is required logic for this part of the essay, and would indicate you should research the similarities and differences between religions to which aspects you would scientifically need to create a godless civilization – if such a thing is even possible.
“jared” didn’t mention anything about whether or not there is God, a god, gods, etc. Dumb ass. He said “belief in” God. Believing in God, a God, a god, gods, Gods, whatever, is not claiming as a scientifically proven fact that the God (or god, or gods) in which one believes exists. Belief in yourself is also rank stooperstition. No matter how low your expectations of yourself are, you will fail. Either you will exceed your expectations of yourself (unlikely) or you will fail to live up to them (99-44/100% certain). It is believing in God (or a god, or gods) that expect something of you that gives one a standard to aspire to.
A. historically inaccurate. B. Biblically ignorant. C. Atheism is not a religion.. nor is it the assertion that there is no god. D. Religion is the one based on feelings instead of evidence.
Oh man where to start on this one.. Yes I suppose atheism is a belief system. The belief that we should test our knowledge and make dedutions based on the results. Quite contrary to your belief system that we should listen to some racist, sexist pre-medieval book about magic men in the sky…
the fact that you want to hit women makes you a pathetic fucking loser.
Fair enough, but, you moron, seth never said HE wanted to hit women. Read it again.
“Hitting ON women” is an idiom. It isn’t literal. It means trying to convice women to fuck you.
>serial monogamy is the new promiscuity
Never thought about it but you’re right
Define “new”. It’s been that way for at least a generation.
if you look, i’m quoting what someone else wrote
Yes, but you’re agreeing with it.
“Women when allowed to roam free just follow their vaginas to destroy
society – and men in allowing this degeneracy to occur, have become
experts in thirsting after women to their detriment.”
No further questions, your honor.
No go ahead and tell yourself you’re totally not a misogynist – heck no! You love bitches and they’d better be grateful for your loving!
“Misogynist” is nothing but a buzzword that’s lost all its meaning, since feminists have used it to describe anything they don’t like. I know it’s hard for you, Bertha, but please try to construct an intelligent counterargument.
How on earth does this pile of bullshit even remotely deserve an “intelligent counterargument”?
A counterargument requires the existence of an argument to begin with.
Misogyny is hatred towards women because of their sex. Seth’s comment is exactly that. No buzz needed.
How do you define “hatred?”
He lists a bunch of bad traits perceived to be inherent to most/all women.
He then states that the only solution (to make his idea of an LTR work out) is to be (physically) abusive towards women.
Also “women […] just follow their vaginas and destroy society”
So essentially women are evil, women are the reason that society is going to shits and the only solution is that men beat some sense into women.
If that doen’t qualify as hating women, then I don’t know what does.
I give you a lot a credit. The minute that lameass troll said “define hatred” I would have called him on it & dumped the conversation.
Wow… you really will make any excuse you can think of to try to make saying women not being controlled by men will destroy society seem okay.
Funny how the only way you seem to think you can do that is to play semantic games.
How do you define “define”?
It’s not hatred if it’s true. They follow their vaginas way too often.
You follow their vaginas as well. Does that make you a woman too? Maybe I should beat you.
Actually, asshat, Misogyny has been repeatedly defined around the West as not agreeing with feminisms political stance. In fact, the U of Wikipedia even claims such, and we know how much people like you like that site. Australia as well has redefined misogyny to basically anything opposing the feminist agenda.
This is quite a bit different than hating women – to equate not supporting affirmative action in STEM with misogyny… or opposing the unequal treatment of men and women while under the influence of alcohol to be misogyny… or the opposing of the state providing abortions and birthcontrol pills at taxpayer expense as misogyny.
And, even if it IS misogyny… why is even that so fucking bad… is there an unmutable human moral law that says we MUST be pussy worshipping simps like you or are we allowed to make up our own fucking minds about who we like and dont like.
Since the second word in your response is already “asshat” I don’t feel any need to take you serious, sorry.
Why is misogyny bad? I don’t know. Why don’t we go back to selling slaves? Maybe we should be selling white people this time ’round because there is clearly no unmutable human moral law the says we MUST be whitey worshipping.
Baby boy, I know you have to be 8 so maybe no one ever told you that misogyny is a greek word, maybe found for the first time in some stoic philosopher’s work. An ancient greek word to express what has been going on since you men stole all the power. You must be confusing with the word “misandry” that never appeared in history until the masculinist movement made it up basing it on ancient greek too just to try to make it even.
I’d say describing women who are not under the control of men destroying society falls pretty well under the meaning of misogynist. Just saying the word used to describe the behavior “has lost all its meaning” doesn’t change or excuse the behavior. Its also not an intelligent counterargument. Its childish, self-serving hair-splitting nonsense.
It does not matter. If it’s true you can state it like that or in a nicer way, but it remains true.
Problem is, its not true. If you would care to disagree then by all means define what you mean by destroying society and provide examples of how women are doing that. Oh, and simply doing things with their own bodies and their own lives that hurt the feelings of MRAs doesn’t qualify as “destroying society”.
& just his say-so does *not* mean that ‘the word has lost all its meaning”. They just wish it did.
you have such a childish view of things
Your self-blindness is immense.
You know so little about women that its sad.
Otherwise he wouldn’t be following Roosh to “learn”.
Your raging impotence would be amusing if it was not just so pathetic.
I’m pretty sure some of the men’s magazines I read in the 1990s mentioned tons of women having sex whilst black out drunk, and this was considered normal, by the women in the interviews.
Must be a lot of old rapists walking out there…
Anyways, if i fall asleep in any part of town and I get robbed, it was in part my fault, as I put myself in that position. Teaching men to rape is not a solution, as the sub 5% (is it even that high?) of the population will do it IF THE CIRCUMSANCES PERMIT – remove the circumstances (i.e. stupid females passed out drunk), and the problem corrects itself. Anti-rape laws against men are now just jokingly excessive and serve nothing than to be a means of social control against men, and innocent ones at that.
But the person who robbed ya still committed a crime, eh, and
should face the justice system?
Wow – son even when ya have some small culpability in the crime,
the perp should STILL suffer a criminal penalty and not be let off –
What a concept !
Not “fault” but “contributed to.” The robber still is a robber and a criminal. A drunk woman is different. As long as she is not physically abused, like beaten, bitten, cut, threatened with abuse, she consented unless the accused rapist is stupid enough to admit that she did not consent. Why, he can as well claim that he was drunk and that she took advantage of him without his consent. She had agreed on $20 then afterwards demanded $50 (or $100), which he did not have. Or whatever story his defense lawyer thinks will create a reasonable doubt in the judge or jury. Then, after dismissal or acquittal, sue her for false accusation or prosecution as appropriate. If he knows that he really did rape her, he should try to cop a plea instead of trying to lie his way out of it. Men who actually rape are disgusting slime. Pussy is available for free or for a cheap evening’s entertainment. Women want to fuck. The human race would go extinct within 100 years if this was not the case, for only a small minority of men are rapists who will use serious violence to get sex.
Gee, you’d think that rape was based on whether or not women actually consented or something.. and that the women you are talking about (citation needed that they even exist given how vague your description was.) did consent.
Consent does not need a precise definition. It didn’t need it before.
Before what? Clearly it does need a precise definition. Otherwise there wouldn’t be so many questions among MRAs about what does and does not constitute rape. The real problem seems to be that guys like you either don’t want a clear definition or want to make up the definition for the women it would be applied to specifically to benefit yourselves, not to allow women to set boundaries for their own bodies.
Its just another way to say that you don’t care about what women think or want because you and your interests and desires are the only thing that truly matter.
Unfortunately Jared, very few rapes actually happen in this “sloppy drunk, slut-girl at club” scenario that you envision. Most rapes actually are carried out by a friend or family member and a very high number of rapes (the majority of them) are committed on children by a caregiver or close family friend.
“Men’s magazines”? The ones with the made-up stores posing as articles? But, yeah, I agree with you that there are probably a lot more rapists out there than the average person is willing to believe.
I hate how people are twisting sexual empowerment into neoliberal crap. Just like it’s not reasonable for you to have to take any, every, and all measures possible to prevent someone from committing a violent crime against you, say mugging or murder because society believes it is wrong for others to commit such crimes, a woman is not, nor should she be held, responsible for the actions of a CRIMINAL. However, if you truly believe women should be, then I suggest that you, and others like you, help disperse these to the female population: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/06/20/south.africa.female.condom/index.html
I pray that the women who raised you.
“Most men find violence against women stomach turning.
These days woman get drunk and and sleep around, then want to blame the men they sleep with for their actions. It is sad…”
Good point, and lets also add in that chicks gravitate to scumbags who treat them violently. Women are attracted to evil.
Well then why are they repulsed by you guys?
“”men find violence against women stomach turning””
Not the creeps on this forum. They wanna give the rapist every break and cut him every slack.
So demanding the woman have actual evidence he did the crime is cutting him slack?
Just more whining about women fucking someone other than you. Maybe they don’t want to fuck you because you make broad generalizations about them and call them chicks and bitches.
Surprisingly.. GASP.. there are actually a LOT of women out there who don’t gravitate to scumbags and violent assholes.
this is not the part of the internet that doesn’t fuck girls,mind you. Go to some feminism subreddit. The men there need that advice
You guys sure do whine and bitch a lot for guys supposedly rolling in pussy.
Aaand I’ll save you the time. Yeah, I’ve only gotten laid once in the last couple/few weeks. In large part because my gf lives across the city and due to record blizzards that shut down the subway repeatedly we haven’t seen each other more than that in that time.
Yes, I’d have to say that this is *exactly* the part of the internet that doesn’t get laid. Anywhere you are pretty much *defines* that section.
Kind of ironic to state this on the part of the internet where people actually frequent a website for the very reason that they don’t get to fuck enough girls.
there are actually a LOT of women out there who don’t gravitate to scumbags and violent assholes.
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And those women are the ones with LTR value (as someone else on this page called it).
No wonder all the fools here that degrade women do not ever have a chance to get into a relationship with those women and instead only meet women who like bullying, misogynist men. after all this is what they are.
It’s a shame that this also means that they will time and time again reinforce the stereotype they have in their mind. I would pity the fools, fortunately they are awful human beings that are not going to be missed by anyone once they die, so i can focus my pity on the poor woman that fall for them and have a night of terrible sex before they run away as soon as they can.
Yes they very much are unfortunately. We need systems to moderate their behaviour in order to have a normal society
It takes two to tango, my friend. The only reason why women get to get drunk and sleep around in the first place is because there are men who happily whip our their dicks at every opportunity the get.
Have you tried for instance not having sex with someone who’s blackout drunk and might just puke on you during sex?
Isn’t it so much more sexy to have a woman, fully aware of her senses, desire you so much that she wants to rip off your pants and start sucking?
In other words: Have you tried self respect?
Essentially, according to you, women blame men for their actions.
And here you are, blaming women for your actions (having sex with them while they’re drunk that is).
Don’t see any problem?
Silly Jack. The answer to these questions is no. None of these guys have ever had “a woman, fully aware of her senses, desire them so much that she wants to rip [their] pants off and start sucking.” That’s what makes them hate women so much.
everything you write Jack implies a contempt for men while at the same time you think yourself morally superior.
no it doesn’t
@JackFou: right. it really doesn’t. @fopa: nice try though. maybe try again.
No, you confuse rapists – &, worse, wanna-be-rapists – with men. The rest of us don’t.
Awwww.. women aren’t classy enough for you and have the delusion that they shouldn’t live their entire lives just to please you and meet your particular standards for their conduct.
No reasonable man, eh? Seems like there are a hell of a lot of unreasonable men in this nation. Its funny how you whine about the legal conduct of women while making excuses for the illegal behavior of men who rape women.
Hmm. Yeah, it used to be like this. Back in the old west, a guy pretty much could rape a woman in private and be immune from prosecution. I’m not sure how you think that would be better, or how there would be a lot less rapes.
It would be “better” because he’d get sex, & there’d be “less rapes” because they’d make those “not rapes”. See?
What’s even sadder is anyone who openly longs for the days when women were virtually the property of men & lies about modern women to take out his frustrations on them.
Yeah – I always wonder about that too – I mean, these guys must seriously have never had a good loving emotionally intimate experience with a women. But I mean, the reason is that any woman like this will see their issues coming a mile away and run out of sight.
I’ve talked down a few acquaintances who started down this path but were I guess lucky enough to have me and a few others as friends to ask the right questions at the right time. I get feeling disgruntled – the feelings are understandable – the conclusions are making your problems so much worse guys. Really. You sit in these echo chambers and set up self-fulfilling prophecies. You scare away the women who would prove to you that some women are awesome in all the ways the tender part of you wishes for, and you cheat yourselves out of the opportunity to grow into men who REALLY don’t NEED women.
You play act like little boys here that you don’t need women but look how much time you spend with strategies and hypotheses – people who don’t need others and who are happy in their own skin spend their time doing things they love – not plotting. And it’s no surprise that those people are more attractive to more of the opposite sex.
Mostly I feel saddened when I see this stuff because no man who has been with a good woman who is sexually open and aware would ever be able to consider sexuality or women in this way, which means that you all are the saddest people and it makes me want to cry to think of you pounding more and more nails into your own emotional and sexual coffins – that all your lives, you’ll think that it was all about “conquest” and “getting off” and you’ll never ever really see paradise. I’d hug you if we were having this discussion in real life – I’m guessing you all need more hugging.
Yeah, Cave Man, you’re right. No woman should ever go out without any of her male proprietors.
No man ever took advantage of a woman anytime he thought he wouldn’t be busted.
Only men should be able to get drunk and sleep around, with other men or animals, obviously (since the women have to be at home with their proprietors).
Woman are capable of raping men when the men are really drunk (happened to a friend’s brother), the statistics show at least 1/3 of lesbians have experienced rape by another GIRL, and we men despite being builders of society are told we are rapists and criminals to keep us in line, despite a fraction of men being responsible for ALL rapes.
Did you make unwanted eye contact with a girl? – You raped her, you evil rapist!
1984 on steroids – expatting seems like the only sane option these days. Western modernisation is evil.
Somehow -though I’m a straight white male – I was never accused of rape in my entire life. Maybe it’s because I’m so ridiculously handsome and you’re not.
In liberalworld everybody’s beautiful. Aren’t you ashamed you’re white at least?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CmzT4OV-w0
I was going to ask you to cite these statistics & then I read your 2nd paragraph/sentence. Never mind, you’re just an insane liar.
http://i.imgbox.com/7k4YCCA2.jpg
wow – just imagine how a false accusation of drunk driving wouldve
hampered George W Bush, we’d have NEVER let a man like that
become president !
I kinda like the position she’s in. It’s be easy to get behind her and take her shorts down and stick my dick in. I’d blow my load inside her. Double plus laughs when she wakes up and feels the sticky goo running down her thighs.
And lots more laughs when you find out that the sticky goo you got on you was some other guy’s who dumped his load in her before you found her. Then the real laughs when you find out that he had the clap, syph, or some other loathsome disease(s).
Wow, you must have very little respect for yourself that you would just go and put your dick in whoever happens to be around.
ya but she is cute.
It’s even easier to stick your dick into dead bodies or sheep. You would be happy working in a mortuary or as a shepherd
I really hope you are being sarcastic…
No, he definitely isn’t. Look at his comment history. He is one of those shitty men’s rights activists. You know, the ones who bitch about how women don’t go for “nice guys?” Which I don’t get – I have only ever gone for nice guys. Makes you wonder instead about the kinds of women they are wanting…
Yup – that’s precisely the elephant in the room – they want the slutty crappy women, but those women want other assholes like them. Then these “nice guys” – who are actually assholes too, just less successful ones, do some major circus acts of justification, inventing whole wacky ideas about themselves and everyone else, in order to keep from having to recognize the reality. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch man.
I would love to do the same thing to your bunghole. And I am a pretty large man. Wanna go have a few beers?
do u live in tacoma?
It would be easier for you to buy a dog; they can’t make any accusations of rape at all & you wouldn’t even have to leave your house to find one!
…and we have the final comment, people! Nothing else to debate about.
Thanks for the demonstration!
Whoever made this picture is a pathetic exemplification of society as dominated by negative views of sex. The male who made this obviously is a failure by the standard that rates “manhood” in terms of “how much sex a man gets”, & is blaming it/taking it out on women as if it were women’s fault he is a failure.
That’s just my immediate opinion; I’m sure if i think about it some more, I’ll come up with more.
Sure, let’s try that out – but it’s not just for “cunts” – dudes too. So ya know, next time you pass out and you wake up and find a dick drawn next to your mouth, make sure you know EXACTLY what sort of friends you have and how far they will take that “joke” – and if they slipped one in your mouth or ass, that’d be ok right? Cause I mean, you let yourself get passed out drunk with guys you thought you knew but obviously didn’t. I mean, that makes sense – right?
Logically, we’d eventually also have to make theft legal if doors are accidentally left unlocked, phones left out, etc. and anyone who assaults you in any way once you’re in their house or they’ve been granted entry in your house would also be legal (the lawyers would see the precedent a mile away and have that stuff made law by the end of the day) – and that’d be an awesome world to live in, right? Everyone paranoid about everyone else – no one having any fun, making any friends, taking any chances.
Is this the dream you guys are building?
Don’t change the subject from heterosexual rape to homosexual rape. You’re a rape propagandist.
A man having sex with a drunken woman is like a woman having sex with a drunken man.
http://i.imgbox.com/s2eLmwRt.jpg
In order to stop rape we must lock up all the real mens and have global communism with feminists and manginas leading the society!
Oy vey!
Btw, anti-femistasis is a government troll, because that’s how this user has so many pictures to post (as seen by their previous posts). They want to get men versus women to divert your attention from the real thief, the banksters and their brethren.
Divide-and-conquer has always worked. The worst thing about pictures or words stating a truth, is that the message can be twisted to serve an evil agenda that benefits someone else.
that’s better than the pap you are spouting
Or, you know, you could just not rape people. But I guess that’s too much of a stretch for you.
Where have you landed Jack? rapists everywhere.
Was with a group friends this weekend enjoying the weather and having coffee. Now, I have to point out two of these friends are a married couple (man and woman) both feminists. She brought up the subject of rape and how its irresponsible for husbands not to ask their wives for sex and to maintain continuous consent throughout sex. Her husband spoke up and agreed saying he’s proud to always ask and continue to ask permission even during…as in “can I continue to f*ck you” now I must have made a face because all of a sudden a few eyes were on me and she said “You don’t agree?” I didn’t want a rape discussion (we were enjoying coffee and talking about kayaking…not sure what rape has to do with that) but I’m also not one to be silent. So I looked at her and said “No, I don’t agree, that’s ridiculous, I can understand a simple hey babe let’s have sex and if you agree then the idea of him continuing to ask during sex is just stupid”. Well that set him and her off about how I don’t respect women and that’s why I’m not married. A few of the other friends chimed in to try and calm things but this chick was heated. She started asking other women to agree with her and they softly agreed (as in a guy should ask). I looked at the group and said “look, I’m enjoying my coffee, and I don’t want to have a bullshit rape discussion so I’ll end with this…let me know your outrage when a woman is accused of rape for failing to maintain continuous consent during sex”
+1
Good on you, bro. It’s very easy to compromise your beliefs(or at least avoid expressing them when challenged) in a social situation like that in order to “go along to get along.”
Nice topic ender too; I know I’d likely to be too flustered to have the wits to sum-up like that.
well done. The real aggressor in marriages should be required by law to continually ask ‘can I continue to extract resources from you now’.
I’m just curious. Do Feminists ever talk about anything but rape? If a conversation is about something else entirely, will an involved Feminist ever fail to steer the topic to rape? Just wondered.
Um, on this continuous consent bullshit: Should I get signed, notarized consent from her before each thrust, before each squirt, or is one consent just beforehand sufficient? Who has to pay her lawyer to be there throughout? May I be annoyed if her lawyer is jacking off from watching us fuck?
This whole conversation is so completely ridiculous that I have had trouble deciding what to respond to. Most of you sound like ignorant boys who have no real-world experience. Have you ever even talked to a feminist? As a feminist (though I prefer the term humanist), I can assure you that my interests lie in more than just rape. I am more concerned with teaching our children that all lives matter. I am also offended at this idea that you all seem to have about women not taking care of themselves, as I am the one who takes care of my family and my husband (financially and in every other way). The ideas you have about women make me sick to my stomach. Do you even live in this world? I don’t even want to address the subject this article is about, though I will briefly state, that as someone who was raped (by someone I trusted who tricked me into being alone with him), none of this makes any sense. You want to punish women for trusting people, which is completely asinine. We should be able to trust our fellow human beings. The author of this article is also basically saying that it’s okay for men to go out and have fun and drink, but women cannot do the same, while in another article punishing women for not drinking and throwing themselves at men. I can see that most of you have no respect for human beings that don’t have penises. You certainly talk as though women are nothing more than there for your pleasure, objects to be discarded. We are thinking, feeling, human beings and many of us have just as much, if not more intelligence, than many of you posting on this page.
I do agree, however, that it is silly to have to continually ask for permission during sex. I would never ask that of my husband. I also realize I responded to this post by Henry and all others at the same time, so not all of my response is directed at him. I just didn’t want to make comments in several places.
Well then don’t continually ask for permission for sex during sex. I never did that and I always got away with that.
You could just show some self-respect and not stick your penis inside a woman who wants you to constantly ask for permission to keep having sex with her. Find a different woman, one who’s not crazy.
There’s a good 3.5 BILLION women on this planet – surely there must be one that will have you even if you don’t ask for consent before every thrust.
The hatred for women is so blatantly obvious in some of these comments where people even use the most arbitrary and outlandish stories in order to find reasons to justify despising women.
Everyone is so busy with reassuring each other that this one woman was crazy for suggesting this, that you all completely forget that it actually never happened to any of you.
I am going to repeat part of your post, because it is brilliant & needs to be repeated:
“The hatred for women is so blatantly obvious in some of these comments
where people even use the most arbitrary and outlandish stories in order
to find reasons to justify despising women.
Everyone is so busy with
reassuring each other that this one woman was crazy for suggesting
this, that you all completely forget that it actually never happened to
any of you.”
Continually asking for permission is just plain stupid.
Getting initial permission, however, and abiding by your partner’s right to change his or her mind at any point, is an entirely different issue.
Those rules work regardless of gender or orientation.
Yes, it would be silly; that’s why no one’s ever actually said that.
Yeah, yeah. Sure, we SHOULD be able to trust one another. Unfortunately that is possible only in another world. We do have to trust to some degree, but not to the point of being naïve. It’s really shitty that a woman can think she knows a guy even for years, can trust him, does trust him, and then he rapes her. What can be done about this? I don’t know. Who of us can read another’s mind? Maybe I was a little damp behind the ears when a fellow I had not the slightest clue about attempted a homosexual assault on me. However, being over 6′ and near 200# makes me a less likely target for a forcible homosexual attack than the average woman is for a sexual assault (rape or attempt), who is much smaller than the average man, and even a woman of the same height and weight, and physical condition as a man is markedly less strong. Is it all how big and how strong one is? I haven’t ever raped anyone and am as sure as I can be that no one has ever felt like I was intending to rape, so I don’t really know what goes on in a rapist’s mind.
It’s funny how the same men who are on one hand super offended by the notion that every guy is a potential rapist then go on and say women shouldn’t trust men and view ever man as a potential rapist – because everything else would be naive.
Cognitive dissonance anyone?
Not at all since only men are capable of being responsible while drinking, (according to feminists who insist a drunk man is responsible for rape but the consenting drunk woman is not) we men must protect our families from bad situations.
Your kind is making everything more complicated than it has to be. You are not needed.
feminist=humanist in which world?
Sorry if thinking hurts what you call your brain.
it’s actually illegal in many if not al states to force someone to have sex, wife or not.
The “blanket” consent given with lawful marriage is not consent to be subjected to violence. A passably decent husband who is unreasonably refused by his wife has no right to use violence on her and will not do so.
You were thinking of rape and kayaking because of the movie “Deliverance.” SQUEAL, PIGGY, SQUEAL!
Did you ever consider that he might like to get her consent?
This might be his and her fetish.
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Regarding asking for consent and when you should ask for consent:
I usually ask for consent everytime my women are acting weird.
If her face has the wrong emotion: Ask for Consent again.
If her body is frozen or not moving in the same rhythm: Ask for Consent again.
If she cries: Ask for Consent again.
If ANYTHING feels even remotely weird: Ask for Consent again.
Thats how easy it is. It’s a simple matter of decency to do these things.
Why? Because people change their minds. Sometimes even during sex, hard to believe i know, since sex is all that you have as a motivator.
And the best part? Women love it if a man shows them that he cares for their experience too.
In words that a MRA can understand: I have been loaned to girls who were friends of my girlfriends and had threesomes because i am a caring, loving and friendly person and my gfs (yes. this happened in multiple relationships.) said that they want their friends to experience that.
Just imagine that: If you treat women nicely and caring you get more women than you want! Thats the strategy that you all try to learn from roosh, unfortunately he knows nothing about this.
Funny how I don’t believe you. And, even if I did, ONE woman does not prove *anything*.
I can see the west adopting sharia-like laws on sexual liaisons in my lifetime.
Yep but only for men women will still get to.decide who the sleep with.
As long as they leave me off their lists of prospects.
Women want to be treated like children, that’s what this is al come down to.
as a woman, a legal adult, I would like to be treated like an adult, not a child.
I can tell by your name you’d like to be treated as an adult.
Perhaps you are interpreting apparently mutually exclusive wants to be wanting to be treated like children.
Says the guy who would be the first to scream is someone reamed him while he was unconscious, or stole his wallet.
When I was a kid and heard about “rape” the image was just like the one Roosh talks about here: jogging paths, back alleyways, a stranger assaulting a woman. Now every sexual encounter could constitute rape. Think about it: every sexual encounter could be classified as rape by a woman should she be so inclined.
Comically, with the bar being set so low, EVERY SINGLE MAN on the planet has at some point raped a woman. Have you ever:
1) Manipulated a woman (even slightly) who at first gave some resistance?
2) Slept with a woman who was drunk?
3) Began or continued a sexual encounter without her EXPRESS CONSENT?
The alcohol thing for me is a real problem, especially in the UK where the women are pretty much alcoholics. I don’t drink (never have) and even going on dates poses complications because the women will be knocking them back, and I’m very cautious and watchful. I would prefer it if they didn’t, but asking that of a woman in the UK is like asking Jerry Seinfeld to please not tell any jokes.
Believe it or not many men manage to have happy sex lives without using manipulation or relying on the woman getting intoxicated in order to get consent.
I suspect that if it is so difficult for someone to have sex without doing one of these things, the problem is not the sex the person is trying to woo.
You missed the nuance of my point.
There wasn’t much nuance to begin with.
The point is, the things you list, as if they are things that every guy naturally does in order to get sex (and therefore should be thought of as perfectly normal sexual behavior), are not actually things that every guy naturally does (or has to do) in order to get sex (and are not normal sexual behavior). I am saying, in other words, that you are doing something wrong, if you consider it normal to have to manipulate women and wait for women to be intoxicated, etc, before you can have sex with them.
Which speaks to a larger issue with rape as a whole, which is that too many people don’t understand healthy sexual behavior, and therefore can’t understand when their behavior is correctly labelled as a form of sexual assault.
1) “Manipulation” is a broad term that can mean anything as vague as a man kissing a girl’s neck after she has declared there will be no sex tonight, and her then succumbing. Token resistance is normal female behaviour. Any man with an active dating life encounters it frequently, due to the societal and religious pressures a woman faces in a culture that frowns upon female promiscuity.
Token resistance is good, because it shows that the woman has a moral compass, but a man who collapses at that hurdle is a man who won’t be getting laid, and nor will the woman.
My original point was that if a woman is so inclined she can say in retrospect she felt “cajoled” or “manipulated”. Until we reach a day when women take the sexual initiative instead of that being the sole responsibility of the male, the male is left having to take big risks in the seduction. Obviously if she says “no” at any point this has to be accepted. But there can be a grey area.
2) I don’t consider it “normal” for women to be intoxicated to have sex with them. If you re-read my original comment you will see that I am actually AGAINST women drinking alcohol.
“Token resistance is good, because it shows that the woman has a moral compass.”
No, it shows the woman is a hypocrite who gives into the sexist idea that “nice girls don’t have sex & only whores have sex, unless a man forces her to.” No, women do not actually like being raped. See, this is where you really trip yourself up. YOU are defining sex as something horrible to women that they have to give to men who force it out of them, rather than a pleasurable activity for two people to share equally.
No, YOU missed the “nuance” of your point.
The manipulation is often part of the game. She avoids feelings of guilt by pretending to be forced. Just a little. Figuring out just what mood she is in…at the instant moment…is part of the challenge. Just imagine: If women behaved about sex like men do, um, well, what?
Then women wouldn’t have to act like they don’t like sex, and people would continue to have sex, and the sky would continue to be blue?
You act like that’s a bad thing. I’d argue it’s a problem when you care more about being able to play a game, than about knowing for sure what your sexual partner wants and being able to figure out how to give it to them.
Or instead of constantly blaming women you could just try to not be the guy she feels miserable about afterwards.
I mean what the hell is going wrong here if you assume it’s perfectly natural that women feel guilty after sex?
Yeah, just imagine if women were not raised with the sexist notion that nice girls don’t have sex, that sex is something that men get out of women, rather than something two people do together. But in order for women to be able to do all that, MEN HAVE TO STOP CALLING THEM SLUTS FOR DOING SO. Just read this thread & see the language used about women, whether or not they are engaging in sex.
And, just imagine what it would be like if women felt free to turn down men without being afraid she will be attacked, at least verbally, afterwards.
http://abc7chicago.com/news/prosecutors-man-attacked-woman-after-asking-for-her-number-on-cta/420838/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/family-teen-stabbed-girl-prom-apologizes-article-1.1772883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdf0dZq3Z-k
http://www.ndtv.com/topic/girl-stabbed
Why is this alcohol thing frightening so many men?
If you can’t tell the difference between someone who is drunk but still capable of giving consent or objection and someone who is so massively shitfaced that they can’t even remember their own name let alone consent or object to sex and if you don’t have enough self-respect to not stick your penis into a woman who is literally unconscious from drinking – maybe you’re the problem, not the women.
I’ve had sex with several women in my life – sober and drunk – and not once have I been accused of rape.
Maybe I was lucky or maybe you’re just constructing a problem where there is none.
1- Charm and seduction and different from coercion. Can you really not tell the difference?
2 – There are levels of drunkenness. I have slept with most of my partners when they were tipsy, but never when they were actually drunk. Most of us aren’t into fucking comatose victims.
3- Express consent is fucking required to begin a sexual encounter. If it’s not given, verbally or non-verbally, then you really shouldn’t begin it in the first place. And any partner has the right to end the encounter at any time, for any reason. Why would they not? Is your orgasm really more important than someone’s right to self-determination?
1) Charm and seduction are different from coercion? This is a very grey area. Men who engage in what they think is “charm and seduction” may have resulted in a woman feeling coerced upon reflection the next day. She initially said no – but he “charmed” her into saying yes. See how murky this territory is?
2) Nobody in the right mind is into “fucking comatose victims”. I’m tee-total – I don’t drink, and never have. I’m in the UK where binge-drinking is rife. Even when I go on dates the woman is drinking, much to my chagrin. At what point does “tipsiness” become “too drunk to consent”? There was a recent case of a footballer in the UK who was sentenced for rape because his “victim” was too drunk to consent, even though the CCTV footage showed her walking and interacting coherently and unaided.
3) So express consent is to be given verbally? How often? When the man wants to put his hand on her thigh, does she need to verbally consent? Does every step in the seduction process require her verbal consent? How is express consent given non-verbally? What are the requirements for non-verbal consent? What if I get verbal consent, but non-verbal consent – or vice versa?
It’s not a gray area to intelligent grown-ups. I think that’s the real problem.
Only Ched Evans’ own site says that the video showed her not being drunk. He obviously was guilty because some other guy got off scot free.
1) Yes, it is a grey area, as are most human interactions. Which is why it’s so god-damned difficult to prosecute a rape case. You keep screaming about women who falsely accuse men of coercing them, but do remember just how low the actual reporting and conviction rate for rape is.
2) Stems from the first and third point, actually. It’s a grey area. Personally I stay away from anyone who’s had alcohol unless we already know each other pretty well. And going back to point number 1: How many women are claiming to have been coerced when they weren’t, exactly?
3) I did say verbal or non-verbal, didn’t I? Nobody’s advocating for you to get a contract signed before every move (well, there was one university video, but feminists ridiculed that one even more than you guys would.) We are saying, however, that any partner has the right to withdraw their consent at any time, and that you should abide by that. That doesn’t invalidate previous consent they might have given, but it does mean you should just stop there.
So implied consent no longer exists? Jeez when my girl first grabbed my hand and put it on her bottom for me I knew I should have asked permission from her before I let her do that.
The only thing worse than your lies (rape has nothing to do with the “inclination” of the woman *except* where her CONSENT has not been given), is the fact that you outlined RAPE BEHAVIOR & then said “the bar is set comically low”. Thank you for confirming that Rape Culture does, indeed, exist.
Uhm, no.
Brilliant rebuttal there. Not.
LOL I’;ll believe men are upset about “false rape accusations”” the day rightwads stand up for and defend Bill Clinton.
Some research demonstrates that over 90% of rape accusations are “unsubstantiated.” That doesn’t mean that sex didn’t happen, or that sex did happen but it wasn’t rape, but that the prosecutor didn’t believe a conviction could be obtained.
When one person accuses another of a crime, and the accused has charges dismissed or an acquittal, the accuser is supposed to receive the punishment he, or in the usual rape case she, intended the accused person to receive. Except, of course, when a woman is accusing a man of rape. Due process is suspended then. He is guilty unless he proves she is lying or mistaken.
Citation please.
My research demonstrates that over 90% of the stuff you just said is bullcrap. So what?
Source or gtfo.
“Some research’ – by liars.
We were told we have to automatically believe rape victims, otherwise it’s victim shaming. So, it’s up to Bill to disprove all of the rape claims. He never disproved any of the claims.
Alinksy rule 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
LOL boy – wouldnt ya say, the truest, most credible person is a woman who RETRACTS her accusation ? You believe a woman then, right ?
Well Juanita Broaddrick said UNDER OATH that Bill Clinton didnt rape her. When youre under oath, that is considered the
story youre going to be held to.
Thank you for reminding me that she did that.
So only one accusation was recanted? Okay. What about the rest?
Bill Clinton is a documented serial adulterer and pathological liar. He has zero integrity or credibility. But, please, provide us with some convincing new evidence the other accusations were false and we’ll take a look at these 20+ year old accusations that somehow we’re now supposed to weigh in on or we’re disqualified from discussing the culture of false rape accusations.
Defend Biting Bill from what?
Defend Bill from the false rape accusations that you nibs supposedly hate so much.
LOL according to you clowns – the absolute standard for truth is a woman who RETRACTS her rape accusation and said she was lying –
that woman is totally believable! She is now the absolute pillar of
credibility ! Not even Honest Abe can hold a candle to her!
Juanita Broaddrick said under oath that Clinton didnt rape her. If you lie to law enforcement, thats PERJURY. She cleared him out of her own mouth.
LOL something tells me that wont stop the rightwads from
their own version of false rape accusations ! The hypocrisy
abounds !
So you are ok with Clinton raping Juanita Brodderick ?? why is it woman believe rape is secondary to say abortion?
When I was in college I was fed a bunch of “don’t rape” rhetoric, as well as being told that 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted/raped during their college careers. While I was in college a girl actually went to the police and said that she was raped in her dorm by a guy she had never seen before. For the next 2 weeks there was a MASSIVE manhunt for this mystery assailant spanning several counties and involving hundreds of volunteers and daily news coverage. But can you guess what happened next? That’s right, she went on live TV and admitted she made the whole thing up.
THIS is why rape culture has to be expanded to mean consensual yet drunk intercourse, and why “rapists” tend to be people the “victim” knows personally. Otherwise the feminist narrative of men being violent and depraved won’t hold water. My college had about 10,000 female students at any given time, which means statistically 2,500 of them were probably going to experience rape or sexual assault. Yet in my 4 years there only one girl in approximately 40,000 female students over that period of time came out to claim a rape, and it was FALSE. Therefore I can only assume rape just doesn’t happen.
And before anyone says that the police don’t care about women or rape, that’s bullshit. The police are nothing but armed White Knights. If there’s a domestic dispute in a home started by a female then the male is getting carted away regardless. And as I saw during this “rapist search” there was a state of alert all over the county, daily news stories, the police exhausting their resources to try and arrest the rapist, etc. All these false allegations are doing is hurting the true victims, because if too many women cry wolf and the police get sick of searching for ghosts then they’ll be less likely to believe a true victim of actual rape.
LOL silly – so only ONE woman in 40000 made a false rape accusation – then why are ya bitching and pissing about a pecentage SO SMALL
the internet wont even register it ! LOL misogynists are so full of fart gas,
its dangerous to stand near an open flame !
Because there were 0 actual, true rape accusations brought to the police. Therefore I can only assume that either no one was raping/getting raped, or that 10,000 women over the course of 4 years decided to keep to themselves about a traumatic and violent event.
your assumptions are those of a fucking moron.
Well, we now know his excuse. And yours?
Great reply from our resident female adult.
Did you ever come to consider that the rape culture system in our universities tends to both ignore and undermine rape-victims, even IF/WHEN they come forward? The universities try their best to keep the girls from going through the legal system because if the press/media were to find out, it would be an extraordinarily bad look for the school and their reputation. Their goal is to get the girls to stay quiet and continue on as usual.
Additionally, sir, basing of your own personal experience, of knowing only one woman to have come forward and accuse a man of rape – only to later admit that she made it up – does not mean that this is the case 100% across the board. Did you learn anything at university?
You additionally cite that statistically, 2,500 of the 10,000 female students (at your university) would probably experience rape/sexual assault—but that in YOUR FOUR YEARS, the ONE girl who came forward ended up being a liar, and later recanted what she had said.
Having read your ideas on this matter, I’ve come to the conclusion that it is highly doubtful that you have the mental capacity to even consider the thought that after a women is raped she may be in a traumatized state, maybe hours after the encounter even happened because she was so “drunk” that she felt so terrible, and, because of people like you and university responses to rape victims, would not feel compelled to do anything, because of the fact that she knows nothing will really happen/doesn’t want to relive the trauma/wants it to go away/pretend it didn’t happen just like everyone wants her to?
And, yes, the statistics that show as you said “1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted/raped during their college careers” (who says that’s limited to college? By the way…) the statistical data, which you are referring to, has been collected from the assault victims who were brave enough to actually try and pursue a case, despite knowing she would not likely win, upon her decision to bring the illegal violation she experienced to the legal system.
That said, the fact is: you are clearly, a male, which means that your insight into the matter, which displays an absence of any type of scientific data/analysis/backing, only further contributes to the lack of your claims/stances to have even the slightest degree of external or internal validity.
However, I applaud you for having come forth to express your thoughts on the matter publicly—on the Internet, to a degree. If being “brave” is a quality that is admired and sought by the male gender, then this means that as all you men posting your opinions on the matter, which are not only completely unqualified but additionally underscores the fact that you are cowards—for not one of you are even willing to post a picture of your face to this discussion board that readers will thus be able to link to your absurd thoughts.
At least Roosh Valizadeh is brave enough to speak openly about his stance. Yet, for you and all these other men, it’s a bad look, or would be. But, luckily for you guys, you are allowed to type up your unsubstantiated claims to make yourself, and the other pathetic men on this site who choose to hide, feel better about yourselves.
Now that’s manly.
Have a great evening
LOL stupid – why does the figure have to be 10,000 ?
What about a mere 1% of women that kept it to themselves,
thats an entirely realistic figure. A lousy 1% translates into 100 women which dwarfs yer “”false accuser” 100 to one.
0???
You are officially the biggest scumwad in the thread.
I’m going to take a wild guess that you either didn’t take or didn’t pass your Statistics course – am I right?
Last I heard the feminists said it was 3 in 1 womyn being raped in college. That’s 3 rapes per every female student. How are the men even getting their studying done with so much raping?
Next it’ll be a college woman gets raped every hour.
You know what, I was seriously concerned with male studying at college too. So pleased you brought the issue up.
3 in 1?
Cite this.
I defy you.
Anecdata is not evidence. But,if you insist, I know 5 women who have been raped, so I guess you lose.
funny I know of 4 who falsely accused people and only 1 who was actually raped.
As if you’re actually telling the truth!
Roosh:
“Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex.”
Let’s say this rule existed. Let’s say your sister goes home with a guy consenting to have sex with him but the sex he wants is violent bondage and that’s not what she’s into. But now she’s in his house (or her house). So you’re saying if he can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex, having sex in a way she doesn’t want is ok? Is this what you would say to your sister? How about if they actually discussed it first to decide on what kind of sex she would consent to. But when she passes underneath the doorframe he changes his mind and does whatever he wants to your sister. Would you tell her that it was legal? What advice would you have for her to prevent something like that from happening?
“My proposal eliminates anxiety and unfair persecution for men while empowering women to make adult decisions about their bodies.”
Any sane women under that kind of law would just never go home with a guy she doesn’t know very very very well. Would you if you were a woman? Doesn’t that contradict the “hit it quick” goal of most of your readers? How are they going to get some girl away from her pack of friends at the bar and into a private residence if women have no legal rights under your law. That law actually greatly hinders the chances of hook ups, no? Your readers would have to spend a significant amount of time dating a girl before getting in her pants. I get the sense that most of your readers don’t want to put in that kind of time and investment for sex.
“How about if they actually discussed it first to decide on what kind of sex she would consent to. But when she passes underneath the doorframe he changes his mind and does whatever he wants to your sister.”
Like most of the fantasies concocted by the Rape Tourette’s crowd, that shit only happens in your BDSM novels.
“Your readers would have to spend a significant amount of time dating a girl before getting in her pants.”
While it would most assuredly harm the sex life of those doing their best to navigate the current degenerate system, a rising tide raises all boats. Most of us would welcome the opportunity to deal with saner, more chaste women, even at the expense of our notch count. But the real benefit would accrue to the young (ie: those who’ve yet to experience the Thunderdome that is the modern sexual marketplace).
No, you don’t want saner, more chaste women. those are the ones you call “frigid”, “prude” & “bitch”.
1) “Any sane women under that kind of law would just never go home with a guy she doesn’t know very very very well. Would you if you were a woman?”
This is a good thing — From a macro “societal-sustainability” (for a lack of a better term) perspective, women have become much to loose in their judgment of mates . They are generally providing sex much too freely (and to the wrong type of man, if we are valuing long-term prosperity for the girl; rather than whatever man gives her the most significant emotional rush, typically the alpha player who will not commit to a girl), resulting in increases in unwanted pregnancies and growth of the welfare state (alongside countless other significant implications which I will not get into for a lack of time)
2) “Doesn’t that contradict the “hit it quick” goal of most of your readers?”
Your attempt at character assassination (“he’s a hypocrite”) has been refuted by Roosh in previous writings.
[ http://www.rooshv.com/the-contradiction-of-pursuing-casual-sex-while-advocating-for-traditional-values ]
P.S. Before replying to my comment, ask yourself what I am truly trying to convey to you. There is no discussion to be had without first acknowledging the unjust burden placed upon men as an entire group. I will not respond to intellectual indolence; I am commenting because you appear to be a rational person, and I believe you are ignoring significant aspects of Roosh’s argument, which you have the capability to comprehend. But if I am wrong, feel free to respond with emotion, logical fallacies, and more character assassination; I shall reply with silence.
Let me clarify that I too think this concept of rape culture is out of hand. It’s insulting to assume the average male is socially retarded and unable to control his sexual desire. Most normal women know this is not true. Men are not uncontrollable monkeys.
Sharp: “Most of us would welcome the opportunity to deal with saner, more chaste women, even at the expense of our notch count.”
Good to know. I guess I misunderstood the concept of game as described on this website. (I have no issues personally with a man wanting to get laid casually, though I’m not into casual sex myself, to each their own).
Tikaani:
“women have become much to loose in their judgment of mates . They are generally providing sex much too freely (and to the wrong type of man, if we are valuing long-term prosperity for the girl; rather than whatever man gives her the most significant emotional rush, typically the alpha player who will not commit to a girl), resulting in increases in unwanted pregnancies and growth of the welfare state.”
I agree, but no one’s holding a gun to the Alpha player’s head and saying “bang her.” Both men and women have been pretty loose in their judgment of mates wouldn’t you say?
I do understand his post about men being given this incredible bad rap. It does feel like men are being attacked unjustly. If I was a guy I would actually be paranoid about taking any girl even remotely drunk home or anywhere alone. I went to a left wing college and I saw how fast public sentiment around social issues spread to the point where it seemed like the desire to conform and fit in superseded the desire to think logically.
What I question is his idea of a law around rape being legal in the context of implied consent via the act of walking into a private residence with a man. It’s not even a moral question I have, it’s more of a practical one. What if the woman, once she gets there, gets sick and changes her mind. Is that null and void because she’s already there? I’m just trying to understand how such a law were to work and apply on a broad scale. How could you possibly standardize such a law? What would be the exceptions around consent? Maybe I’m over thinking it.
Roosh’s proposition in its current form obviously isn’t so exhaustive that it’s ready to be passed to congress, but the overarching point is that certain incentives desperately need to be shifted around, because the current system is simply insane.
You make good points, it sounds like you have a reasonably solid grip on the situation.
1 — “Both men and women have been pretty loose in their judgment of mates wouldn’t you say?”
We can’t really pin it on one sex. It takes two to tango; both are inherently at fault. However, given the historical nature of sexual relations between genders, women may be more reasonable to consider at fault. Women are the gatekeepers of sex; men take what women will give them. When a woman gives sex away so easily for nothing in return, bad things happen, as we know. Men are biologically inclined to spread their seed to as many mates as possible, to increase the odds of survival for our species; this was a trait evolved through natural selection. Women are naturally inclined to screen out weak men in search of strong “alpha-males” to mate with. A woman carries a baby inside of her for 9 months; hence historically she would have to be careful with whom she chooses to mate with. Women do not feel the strong urges for sexual release that men do. Women do not get horny when a man flashes his dick at her. This is simply the nature of the difference between the sexes. I do not claim women – individually – are responsible for lowering their standards; this is a product of toxic feminism. Girls are encouraged to be promiscuous, and while it may be fun in the short term, it is a horrible decision when considering the long-term implications. As the saying goes, “you can turn a whore into a housewife”. There is much truth to that saying, and with a simple search, you can find many reputable studies corroborating the idea.
2 — “What I question is his idea of a law around rape being legal in the context of implied consent via the act of walking into a private residence with a man. It’s not even a moral question I have, it’s more of a practical one. What if the woman, once she gets there, gets sick and changes her mind. Is that null and void because she’s already there? I’m just trying to understand how such a law were to work and apply on a broad scale. How could you possibly standardize such a law? What would be the exceptions around consent? Maybe I’m over thinking it.”
You’re not overthinking it. There is so much under-thinking going on in today’s society, I think we could use some extra overthinking here and there (lol). Roosh is not completely serious in his claim. Sometimes (all the time for mainstream bloggers) writers publish controversial ideas to garner attention, and it works. I wouldn’t worry about figuring out the nitty-gritty special case scenarios right now, as rape will not be legalized anytime soon. There are better things to be pondered at the moment.
I read Roosh’s article that you linked to and I think that, on the contrary, there definitely is a contradiction between the quest for easy, fleeting, consequence-free sexual encounters, and advocacy of traditionally circumscribed social roles for women. Or let me put it more pointedly: There’s a contradiction between putting so much effort into the rapid manipulation of women for sexual gratification, and slut-shaming (hope you’ll forgive my borrowing of this feminist buzzword) women who will give it to you.
And it’s not a matter of a natural boxer having to adapt to a world of Brazilian jujitsu. Give me a break–as if people like Roosh are out there trying to rack up their numbers because they can’t find a traditional enough woman to commit to! The same contradiction can be seen in sexually conservative societies such as India. There women are by and large meek, “feminine,” very reserved around men outside of their family, very resistant to extramarital sexual advances, etc. And yet large numbers of men still go on the prowl, looking for easy conquests. Actually they are looking for women who are “asking for it,” except in India “asking for it” doesn’t mean drunk at a party, but rather: outside of the home after dark, wearing even slightly revealing western-style clothes, smoking a cigarette or drinking any amount of alchohol at all, making public displays of affection with her boyfriend, or basically doing anything besides the female duty of domestic servitude. So here we have a boxing culture where mixed martial artists are running amok–and STILL there is no shortage of fools who whine that the situation is so unfair to men. And actual, gut-wrenching, violent rape is widely tolerated and swept under the rug in India. Look to that if you want to see the logical outcome of legalizing rape in any setting (disclaimer: not saying that rape is legal in India, because it’s not). And that is still light years ahead of the condition of women in some Muslim countries, who are sometimes stoned to death for just being the victims of a rape. So when I look at the structural similarities between the Indian cultural outlook and the psychology of the American seducer, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that yes, a rape culture exists in America, and voila!
Just want to pull one illuminating quote from Roosh’s self-serving attempt (failed) to show that he is not contradicting himself: “For truly traditional women, it seems that only Muslim countries are left.” It really speaks volumes, doesn’t it? Here’s a tip, Roosh: write Bang Saudi Arabia next. You might actually find the sexual culture congenial to your oh-so-sincerely held traditional ideals.
Just so no one misconstrues my position, as a man who was once false accused of rape, I am concerned about our society’s gullible rush to expand the scope of rape as a concept, or to accept evidence-free standards for ruining the reputations and careers of accused men. I just don’t think the answer to dumb, uncritical rape hysteria is a dumb, uncritical return to premodern gender roles–let alone a removal of legal protections for rape victims, which I assume was actually just a troll.
Yes, I see what you are trying to convey. Asking men to behave like adults is an “unjust burden” & then have the nerve to whine about other people supposedly responding “with emotion, logical fallacies & more character assassination”
There, you saved everyone the trouble of reading anything else you write.
Do you feel better now?
No, you’re still breathing. Go stalk someone else, piglet.
“Your readers would have to spend a significant amount of time dating a girl before getting in her pants. ”
My readers are forced to spend a significant amount of time to have sex with a girl a couple times before she jumps on the next cock because she has been trained to do so.
A girl who values the man she does have sex with would lead to a relationship where a man would get far more sex based on his investment than what we have currently.
So, basically, you’re really angry because you can’t find a woman who, after having sex with you, wants to continue having sex with you on a regular basis.
If she’s on the Great Quest, the Snipe-Hunt for the elusive Orgasm, she’s not going to want to have repeat sex with anyone who doesn’t give her orgasms.
If you can’t give her 10 orgasms at once you don’t have enough game, mate and therefore you fail as a male. Rightly so she will leave you for a more capable, more manly man.
Isn’t that kind of how the world normally works for Roosh and his crowd?
Psst. Orgasms aren’t elusive if you stop doing this and focus on emotional and intimate connection instead of “game” and conquest. She’s leaving because you’re looking in your mirror or into your boys only echo chamber instead of into her eyes.
Not sure where you live, but it isn’t Earth. Please stay there.
Dombess. Roosh was referring to rape, not assault and battery, aggravated assault. Rape does not require injurious violence to be “legitimate” rape.
Are you referring to “friendly,” nonviolent, “gentle” rapes? Surely not brutalizing, beating, punching, torturing rapes? Are you exaggerating to get your point across?
You haven’t looked too deeply into the deranged mindset of these gents, have you? See – they don’t even take responsibility for their playerdom – that’s also women’s fault. See, in a perfect world, these guys believe that women who didn’t feel safe most of the time (they don’t now but they do more than these guys would like) – cause if they didn’t feel THIS safe, then they’d NEED to marry quickly – then these guys think there would be more young (remember I’m talking about their ideas not mine) ahem, “not used up” women (this means virgin so they aren’t comparing these losers to their previous sexual partners and so these guys don’t have to learn to care about being good lovers – do you see the BRILLIANCE and/ or derangement?)
Anyway – I hope I haven’t scarred you. Please continue. It gets so much worse and so much sadder than that even but it’s a primer.
Roosh. I’ve left positive comments on here before. But this is probably the most unthoughtful article you’ve ever written. Not cool.
Are you familiar with Jonathan Swift?
Are you familiar with “brainfart”?
Not really, but it sounds like you are. Care to elaborate, Mr. Snarkypants?
Yes I am. Because I’m smart like that. And I’m educated. I know fancy wards in language that is not even my first. Hurr Durr.
Now if you actually require an explanation as to why this brainfart by “Mr. Roosh” is – in fact – a brainfart and not “a modest proposal part 2”, simply scroll up. Someone already explained that.
First rule of referring to somebody’s argument in online conversation is to provide a link or at least a name that I can “CTRL+F” to find.
Who already explained that?
Wald
Sigh. It’s like the 3rd response or so under the top comment. The user was “rabzee”
This doesn’t really smack of Jonathan Swift. Unless what he’s really saying is, “Of course men should stop complaining about rape prosecutions”.
Did you read this sentence?
“This issue concerns me since I have a sister who I don’t want to be raped, so I carefully examined the articles on Salon, Buzzfeed, and Huffington Post that were written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium.”
Wald
And your assertion is that this line makes it satire? So you’re saying it’s satirizing those publications, and this is just an exaggeration of what they would propose?
If so, I think you’re wrong, and even if not wrong I think it would fall rather flat as “satire”.
I make zero assertions. The only thing I’ve done is ask questions while you’ve only jumped to conclusions.
Really? If you’re going to play that tiresome game, then I’ve only asked questions, and made conditional statements, as well. See those marks at the end of the sentences? Those are question marks.
So was your reply to my post intended to be a reply and somehow related to it, or were you just engaging in non sequitur?
To answer your question, sure I read it. So?
Well then, and what about the THOUSANDS of rape cases that occur inside the family?. What about little boys and girls who get abused by their sick parents/uncles/grandparents/siblings, etc. in their own homes?
I think it’s safe to assume he is referring specifically to adults and not the examples you listed, however if such a law were to be passed a lot of details would need to be ironed out to make sure there are no grey areas. I think that would be very challenging to do. I understand the frustration and fear that some men have around the way the rape card is being thrown around because it is being thrown around. I think it actually makes it worse for woman who are raped for real. Men who see this rape culture as a way for women to remove accountability for bad decisions are going to be less empathic to women who are actually raped FOR REAL. I think the concept of a rape culture will have the opposite effect of what’s intended. Just my two cents…
Child molestation rules would stay on the books.
With the caveat that all areas with the age of consent at a ridiculously high 18 would be kicked back to 16.
The English or Anglo-Saxon common-law age of consent is 10. In Germany the statutory AoC is 14 if I recall.
What do you suggest be done to prevent this sort of thing? Family rapists are being stuffed into prison right and left.
” This made me confused because a woman who drinks and has sex is not responsible for her actions,
but if that same woman gets into a car and drives it into someone else,
causing a loss of life, she would be prosecuted and sent to jail. I
couldn’t find an explanation for this inconsistency.”
Well said, Roosh. Very well said.
And yet if a man gets drunk & signs a contract, when he sobers up, he is not liable for said contract – & the person who got him to sign the contract is *at best* OOL, &, at worst, thrown in jail.
See the REAL analogy, as opposed to the false one you misogynists throw up? Driving a car is something YOU DO. *Rape* is something DONE TO you.
If a female drinks and has sex while being drunk she is unable to consent to sex?
if a male drinks and has sex he is also unable to consent?
so drunk sex is jailtime for both? im not sure on the laws that you guys have really.. but is this actually laws?? or does the man go to jail if he has sex with a woman?(while both drunk)
Amazing how none of you “lawyers” understand the idea of “active” vs “passive.” If you are drunk & sign a contract, you are not liable. If the person who has you sign the contract is drunk, you are still not liable. Get it yet?
1. I didn’t even manage to read “this” until the end. Boring and NOT interesting.
2. People in America seem to get deeper and deeper into some kind of a man made “hole” where political correctness, affirmative action, quota hiring and feminism seem to rule.
3. If things are SO bad in North America then the advice should NOT be to make “rape legal” cause it ain’t gonna help and will only make matters a lot worse, but to leave North America, to leave it behind. You don’t like the laws of the country and the way the laws are currently being used then for God’s sake LEAVE that country behind and move to greener pastures!! Why do y’all need to prove something to someone?? Y’all ain’t gonna change the system of laws and values in America, you ain’t gonna change North American women.
4. We all have out lives to LIVE AND ENJOY LIFE! But not to complain and fight against feminism, mainstream propaganda 24/7/365!!!!!
5. Fuck, I honestly DO NOT envy North American males these days! All the laws, rules and regulations are against them but somehow they seem to like it cause they complain but never do anything beyond that! It’s time to finally realize that NORTH AMERICA IS DOOMED and things ain’t ever gonna get better!!!
6. There is a solution though: get sporty and educated, learn a trade and foreign language, save some money and leave North America behind for good! YOU’LL NEVER REGRET IT!!
Where did you move to?
Mexico. All these problems are like the snow storms in Boston, Far away, and not especially threatening.
It’s easy to expat if you don’t have to worry about a job…
Anyone who thinks that America’s laws are *worse* for MEN *should* leave.
This is a well thought out article an articuculated the problem well.
Agreed. It would be great if rape was legal so I could just take you from behind, Rafael, and tear your hole up with my very large dick. Cheers, Derek
Man, it’s like you’re wanting to give Manboobz more material. Why contribute to his already inflated self-esteem?
It’s hard to tell if this is serious or click-bait.
On one hand, it seems rediculous to legalize rape in any form. On the other, I have no doubt in my mind that this would work.
Perhaps it’s both.
Are you familiar with Jonathan Swift?
Also, it would.
Sheesh. Just like when rape wasn’t illegal, and hence didn’t exist.
I think you miss the point of the post.
http://i.imgbox.com/OopJeZS8.jpg
college officials expelled an 18-year-old freshman for sexual assault last year after ruling that his classmate was too drunk to consent to sex.
The Los Angeles County district attorney’s office concluded that witnesses agreed that both parties were drunk but “willing participants exercising bad judgment,” according to a report by its investigating deputy.
The attorney, Marilou F. Mirkovich, found that the young man did not know that his classmate was too drunk to consent because he, too, was inebriated. But, citing the college’s policy that does not allow alcohol or drug consumption to excuse sexual misconduct, Mirkovich found that he should have known and was responsible for the assault.
Man Bites Dog also makes the news.
The more I think about it, the more I realize Saudi Arabia has it right. Women should have absolutely no political or economic rights and should be always accompanied by a male relative.
For a long time I’ve suspected that the anti-Islamism in some quarters of the manosphere was an attempt to conceal a secret, gnawing admiration for some aspects of strict Islamic social rules about women. Just a theory…I could be wrong.
the tampering of women’s sexual desire, i agree with since it’s much needed to realign society back to healthy levels. But the whole “sacrifice infidel blood for the moon god allah”? not so much.
runsonmagic got it right, stupid muslim shits prevent me from enjoying the decline with having to watch which no-go zone is which in europe & all this blasphemy bullshit.
It wouldn’t be so bad if they ran their little sharia ghettos and controlled their women. They want to apply that control to everyone else & in the countries they don’t even belong to – fuck that noise!
Who told you women have – absolutely – no political or economic rights in SA? This is without a doubt false. From an economic standpoint i would even say that their position, in many instances, is better that most western females. Saudi women for instance have the right to be sustained by (husband, brother, father, state) forcing them to fend for themselves isn’t allowed i.e. they have the right to NOT work. Economically speaking they have many rights an little to no responsibilities.
Roosh:
This law would be aligned with Islamic Sharia and counteracts western freedom. It’s unreasonable to expect women to have male chaperones at every private party. All house parties and social gatherings on private property would become same-sex because no woman would be legally protected from rape.
Would a maid be protected from rape as she’s cleaning a private residence? Would I be legally allowed to rape my cousin’s girlfriend at a family dinner? Would your sister give up her freedom to enjoy pizza at a mixed gender home gathering? What if three males gather with their girlfriends at a home and collectively decide to take turns with each others women?
If your sister had a birthday celebration at her house, it would make sense for the women to insist that you not be present because you’re a strong male with the legal right to rape them on private property.
This is nonsensical in a free society and I’m not sure if you thought this one through. Here’s my solution:
1. Any rape which occurs between two conscious parties in a bedroom must be reported within 24 hours of the alleged incident. In order for the investigation to move forward there must be clear signs of forced entry and physical abuse. In essence, the bedroom would become a safe haven from prosecution unless there is clear physical evidence that shows forcible entry.
2. Toxicology reports are meaningless. A woman is responsible for whatever enters her body. There is no sensible way to determine whether a Rufalin or Xanax was inserted into her drink or whether she took it on her own accord. If you want to drink, bring your own alcohol, pour your own drinks, or drink canned beer.
3. The trickiest part is an unconscious woman. I’m sure we can agree that a stone cold passed out woman should not be penetrated. If a woman is penetrated while unconscious there must be eyewitnesses or clear evidence of forced entry. Obviously she can’t be an eyewitness if she is raped while unconscious, so this “damsel in distress” responsibility would be placed on the other women and men at the gathering to bring her to conscious. It would be a great risk to rape an unconscious girl in an open space such as a living room, but the bedroom would have more of a tough-luck strategy as there is no way for a female to prove that she was unconscious and did not give consent at the time she was penetrated.
If only I could force myself on a chick who isn’t conscious enough to laugh at my micropenis without her going to the police afterwards. I hate women because they act like they’re actually human beings with their own personal dreams and aspirations, when of course their only purpose is to make white, heterosexual men like me feel powerful and self-affirmed, even when it’s clear we’re really weak and sniveling excuses for the male gender (which we overcompensate for by being aggressive, unintelligent bullies). The sooner these bitches understand their place, the sooner whiny, disproportionately privileged men like me will truly be happy, which is all that matters in the world. The world, in fact, revolves around me.
…written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium.
I imagine the rest of the article will be a harsh realization how wrong you were.
…written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium.
I imagine the rest of the article will be a harsh realization how wrong you were.
What are you talking about. If a woman drives a car intoxicated and hits pedestrian her actions lead to someone else getting hurt. If the same woman gets drunk and has sex her actions lead to something happening to herself. There’s a difference. Greetings from North Europe. I love your work except for unthoughtful posts like this.
A drunk woman would never be charged for rape when having sex with a drunk man, but a drunk man could be charged for rape when having sex with a drunk woman. The woman loses all legal responsibility for her actions in the realm of sex, unlike driving a vehicle, while a man bears legal responsibility with driving and with sex.
No matter how many times you repeat it, you are still wrong.
If you were drunk & I got you to sign a contract, *I* would be guilty of a crime – same as you are when you rape a drunk woman.
The *real* “drunk driver analogy” is *who is committing the crime*. The problem is that you don’t see rape as a crime because you don’t see women as people.
stop trying to move the bar a drunk man and a drunk woman bear the same amount of responsibility
Your self-blindness is actually greater than your stupidity – congratulations.
So are women just as responsible as men or not?
People who DO THINGS TO OTHERS are the responsible ones. See how it works? Stop pretending that it’s “misandry” to expect rapists not to rape just because almost all rapists are men. We expect drunk people not to drive & hold them responsible when they do. If you were to get drunk & sign a contract, you would NOT be held to its contents. Stop trying to excuse rape because you’re a misogynist.
I have never excused anything but the hate oozing from you when you cant even answer a question is amazing.
The delusions you have that you have not been answered, more than once, is even higher than your delusions that there is nothing wrong with you.
Trying to pretend that “doing to” is the same as “being done to” is pathetic. Which is exactly what I expect from misogynists. Your confession is more than noted.
What about a woman the man finds grossly unappealing? What about another man? Are you really going to suggest that if you, for example, got very drunk one evening for whatever reason and woke up the next morning to discover that you had been penetrated (not just “had sex”, but your body had been penetrated without your consent) that you would be okay with it? Or that you’d feel you had it coming? Think about what would go through your mind very carefully, and remember that the sexual experience is very different for a woman than it (usually) is for a man.
I am not trying to begin an argument, but I will admit that I am intently curious about how you’ve formed the opinions you have. I also wonder if you’ve honestly considered what it feels like from a woman’s perspective.
Reasoning with women and their beta trolls will get you nowhere. Y’know what you must do to stop rape? Stop having sex with woman. Just imagine if all men restrained from having sex for just one month, the women would go ballistic. Ridiculous as this suggestion would seem it will actually work. You will force the government to change these insane laws. Remember, my friends, when one black woman was discriminated by being told to give her seat to a white man on the bus, the WHOLE or MAJORITY of black people protested, and the bus company was forced to change their law. Only when men protest and protest in UNITY, these man-hating laws will be abolished. With lone voices sprouting from here and there we are not getting anywhere. We need mass protests. We men are roughly 50 percent of the population. Lets do it!
So for the average person seeking advice from Roosh how to finally get a woman to sleep with them, it would just be a month like any other. Shouldn’t be too hard for you guys.
You types keep threatening this; I wish you would so it. Then you’d really learn just how at fault YOU are, you & everyone LIKE YOU, for the trouble between the sexes.
You guys seem to be misunderstanding the laws seriously. Almost all rapes are still not prosecuted and are still held to the standard of having to be proven. Most aren’t prosecuted because they can’t be proven. That doesn’t mean they don’t take place but that the nature of the act usually means it’s his word against hers and the law says innocent until proven guilty.
You’re crossing wires with instances of colleges changing their rules (most still haven’t) and that’s to prevent some serious harassment that they’ve been covering up for years. Or the women who were victims.
Yes there are some crazy women and yes there have been some false allegations – as there are with all things. But you’re acting like the courts have decided that all accusations mean you go to jail. That simply isn’t so. Nor is anyone sane suggesting it should be.
Sure, we’ve all run across a fanatic or two who insists that we should all always believe anyone claiming victimhood but most of us – yes MOST of us – even most feminists – still weigh the evidence to decide what we think likely happened. Just like we do with other situations – moms killing their kids, kidnappings, the guy who left his baby in the car. We all look at the evidence and adjust our view – except crazy people on both sides who ignore the individual evidence and pick their usual side and decide he other side must be lying.
What “man-hating” laws are you even talking about? I think you must be referring to the college rules – what new man-hating laws are there? Rape is hardly every prosecuted – when prosecuted, still isn’t actually convicted often – most rapists who are convicted have perpetrated multiple crimes by the time they are sent away and usually, they get less time than someone put away for pot for a first conviction. If they keep doing it, they may be sent away for life but that’s even unlikely. If anything, we need to toughen the sentencing but make sure the evidence is there to convict. The reason the sentencing is so low though is because if they were higher, people would have a harder time convicting because there’s a lot of misogyny out there like this and people aren’t really sure yet if women are people – hint, we are. Always have been, always will be and all this grumbling isn’t going to change that.
Heh, what women really should be doing is purchasing a simple device called a chastity belt.
Seriously, think about it. Instead of handing out rape whistles at college orientation, and spending untold billions on campus rape centers and hotlines, and more billions on advertising and lobbying the government to lower prosecution standards, we could instead simply give all women a chastity belt upon puberty.
Oh… don’t get me wrong, it’s not for chastity, but rather to keep her most valuable possession – her vaj jay jay – locked up safe and secure from those beastly boys.
Gonna go to a party and get shit-faced? No matter if you pass out naked on the coffee table in front of fifty horny frat boys, you still won’t be raped.
Scared of getting raped when you walk to class? This problem is solved with the crotch of steel!
Of course, don’t be so stupid to take the key along with you when you go out – that rather defeats the purpose. Leave the key at home… or better yet, with your father. If you are in college and your father is not around, perhaps you could leave your key at the Rape Crisis Center (don’t worry, they have plenty of free time there to “service your needs”). This way, when you meet a boy you like, you both will have to report to the Rape Crisis Center to retrieve your key, and the counsellor can present you both with a legalized consent form ala the Antioch Rules, before unlocking her greatest treasure.
Yes… chastity belts. It’s the ultimate solution to the rape crisis.
your newsletter… i demand to subscribe to them, post haste!
You know, I sent my girlfriend a link to that same site once years ago – teasing her that I was gonna lock her up one day so she couldn’t relieve herself by thinking about me and then masturbating…
A few weeks later, she admitted to me that the thought of being locked in one of those really turned her on. She said she thought in reality it would be uncomfortable and really suck, but mentally… it made her horny.
I teased her about it a few more times, suggesting it would be hot to leave her at home in it while I went up town – perhaps for drinks with buddies – and then came home a few hours later.
She REALLY liked that.
Lol! The bloody things are more expensive than a high-end hooker though. No fantasy is worth that unless it is going to last and serve a purpose.
Maybe a good business would be figuring out how to produce them on the cheap. Fifty Shades of Grey is a hit… why not chastity belts?
Gahahaha! This is a pretty funny story. I’m kind of surprised they’re really expensive, though. Seem easy to make.
Actually, you are only a little off: Make the guys wear them, & give the keys to their mothers.
Yeah, and then, instead of locking our doors to prevent theft, we can just throw all the more criminally inclined people in prison – like blacks – so we dont have to bother with locks.
Sound thinking, Sherlock.
Your further confession is noted. Thank you for confirming the general opinion that your comments are almost as worthless as you are,yourself.
I suggest that you make another version of this article without the “modest proposal” and publish it on a more mellow blog. The first six paragraphs could reach a wide audience, and are very strong, but you would lose them on the seventh.
It’s very good satire with a strong point; the downside is that it can only be swallowed full strength by people who frequent this corner of the internet.
He’s not kidding.
The “laws” you’re talking about aren’t laws. They are individual university policies. The actual rape laws require far more evidence. The cases at universities you are referring to failed to result in criminal charges. I think schools will change their policies soon because of the backlash they have seen recently. Also, if all wronged male students filed lawsuits, there would be a financial motive to change the rules. I think the university should only be able take action against a male student if they are legally convicted of rape. Comvictions typically require some physical evidence.
Yup. The university kangaroo courts are a sham.
The worst thing they do though, is when they don’t expell the student if he is willing to write a public letter of apology admitting his wrong-doing – usually to be published in the student newspaper. (This is often done for cases like minor DV incidences, which are often just a guy catching his woman screwing another guy, getting mad, calling her a whore, and stomping away).
At any rate, this is a scam, because they tell you if you write the apology, they won’t turn you into the police and you will be able to stay in school… the only problem is that now you PUBLICLY admitting to committing a crime, which COULD get you into actual legal troubles – not just today, but for decades into the future.
Imagine a guy in the 1990’s, who was accused of sexual assault by some drunk bimbo at a frat party he slept with, and agreed to write a letter of apology to both her and the student body… and by today, what was only legally copping to 3rd or 5th degree sexual assault in the 90’s, has today been redefined as RAYYYYYPE!
Well, it’s public now – and you even fucking wrote it, just to get your precious degree from a screwed up institution of indoctrination, and now you might even get prosecuted for a crime 10 times more serious than what you copped to by force 20 years ago.
O.O this is ridiculous and evil.
He is saying that if a boy invite a girl to his house for estudiying this boy can rape she.
We are lucky because he “dont hate women”. I dont want to know what would happen if he hate women.
A good advise, all you should stop following roosh and make your own opinions.
We don’t protect our property because theft is legal. We protect it because it is possible. And if we leave our door open, that doesn’t make theft from our homes legal.
Roosh
Will you ever resume doing game coaching?
If not can you at least recommend someone good for this.
I have a recommendation. First, lose 80 pounds. I’ve found this almost always works for men trying to “game.”
Women hate fatties. We want to be able to actually see your penis.
I propose that we make shooting a man in the head with a .357 magnum legal if done on private property…
Amen to that sister. A gun is what feminism is all about. I used to think otherwise, but the more I learn about what men “really” think, the more I love my Ruger.
As a man, I wanted to say I am very sorry. I just don’t know how we got to this point..
It started with the backlash to the Women’s Movement & festered.
Lol! And the Womenès Movement had nothing to do with creating the backlash itself, I take it.
Hey, you got something correct!! I’m so proud of you!
Solanis re-incarnated, you are.
Wow. You have some violent anger in you.
Take your meds.
Oh? I have some ‘violent anger’ because I don’t want to lie there with my legs spread enjoying a man raping me simply because I am in *someone’s* house and will shoot him if he tries it?
How else does that work? Do you just lie back and enjoy the show if a man breaks into your house and rapes your wife or children? Because it’s a ‘private residence’? How about if a homosexual tries to rape you? Do you lie back and enjoy the sodomy, provided it is happening either in his house or yours?
Don’t whine ‘violent anger’ at me, sweetcheeks. ‘Violent anger’ is not inherently evil, no matter what sort of bleating the anti-gun liberals and their public schools have taught you. It is, in fact, a GOOD response to certain situations.
Sweetcheeks? I am not interested in you, sorry.
Sounds like you support domestic violence abusers… since you are claiming that violent anger is not inherently evil (Therefore it cannot ALWAYS be wrong to smack-a-mouthy-bitch like you).
**Sounds like you support domestic violence abusers… since you are claiming that violent anger is not inherently evil **
Sounds like you support pedophiles, since you are claiming that violent anger is ALWAYS inherently evil, therefore a parent should by no means get violently angry with a pervert who is sodomizing their child, but instead should stand nearby applausing the act.
Roosh, do you live in a country where there is such a thing as concealed/carry? Because if a man tried to rape me, I’d blow his nuts away, including yourself.
But first I’d forced you to remove all facial hair because it makes you fucking ugly, well, uglier.
But seriously, do you live in like an Eastern European hole where they don’t trust their citizens?
Hey Roosh, if we ever meet and you happen to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs, I’m going to convince you to come back to my place under the false pretence of possibly consensual sex.
When we get to my private property I will instead tie you up, and rape you up the ass with various instruments.
But hey, according to your stance on the legal system, I should be able to get away completely free by violating you.
Ahahaha this is excellently funny.
Check my video on rape laws. I found them out raging.
https://youtu.be/wPycfYuRgLg
You need to think this through a little bit further. What if she is abducted and raped in the kidnapper’s apartment? Then by your logic, the kidnapper would only be prosecuted for abduction and not rape?
Don’t give him any ideas!!
Every single rape case I have heard of in the public / media and some very closely in private matters are / were total bullshit. Protect yourself guys, wear a recorder, set up a camera somewhere, not to be a perv but to save yourself if she comes at you for fame and fortune or revenge. They do not play fair and neither should we. Choose who you get with carefully.
Your selective hearing is breathtaking.
You are a sick fuck! GO DIE IN A HOLE SOMEWHERE! NO means NO, if she can’t say NO then it still MEANS NO YOU SICK FUCK!
Obviously, this pertains to situations where no clear “no” was given. Did you even read this?
I’m deaf. In EVERY situation I couldn’t hear someone say “no”. Want to go have a few drinks?
IF SHE is PASSED OUT, that mean NO, not only NO but FUCK NO! Again, go to hell! you advocate RAPE, RAPE IS NOT OK EVER!
Well, yea, obviously if a person is “passed out” but that goes without saying & that is common sense, you idiot.
A rational response, filled with solid argumentation.
LOL. Doosh V, a hairy, Eurotrash-looking unemployed doofus who lives in his Dad’s basement and has clearly never been within ten feet of an actual vagina since he was born has opinions about things. How droll!
If you don’t like the laws in America about rape, then get the fuck out. You will not be missed
He left 5 years ago. He is in Eastern Europe.
The men that wished they had left are the ones that have been falsely accused of rape.
And the lies just keep on coming…
Also I guess this will go both ways right? I mean if I rape you, being a let’s say larger gentleman, but do so on private property, you think that would be OK?
So women’s rights groups fighting for things like equal pay for equal work. And Men’s rights groups fight for legal rape? Wow. Good luck with that wanna be rapist agenda. Your mother must be proud
This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read – and I’ve read “Fingerprint of the Gods”
take out the gender specifics and i’m all for your proposal. You will be the first student to my lesson. it will be a lesson you will never, ever forget.
In that case (under your proposal), women also may seduce intoxicated men onto their property to insert foreign objects into his orifices. Sounds like fun!
Last night, on Fat Tuesday, when my 24 y.o. Filipino lady friend grabbed my throbbing c*ck with her trembling hand for the first time, she did not have my permission or my consent.
I was raped. I was reaped & I liked it.
Um, you realize that grabbing your cock is not the same as rape, don’t you?
Did she stick something up your ass? Then it wasn’t rape.
You do know the whole story was just that – a story – right?
“made to penetrate” is rape.
I think you need to stick “Edward” & “Bella” in there instead of the imaginary people you did use.
Perhaps men should do more to protect their bodies and refuse to sleep with a woman who is in any manner impaired.
Yes, and perhaps these men should respect themselves more than to randomly put their dicks in whoever happens to be lying around.
Bravo and well said! I can’t agree more! If I’m on my own property and someone is there who’s had a bit too much to drink, I should be allowed to bang him in the ass repeatedly without the fear of it being called “rape”.
ewwwwwwwwwwwww you guys are fucking losers