If you study Eastern philosophy, you will encounter ideas on balance. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, a price that must be paid so that a balance of energy is reached. That harmony must be sought not only within yourself while existing as an organic system, but also in larger systems such as cities, nations, the Earth, the galaxy, and onward to scales that are hard for your mind to imagine. A disturbance in any of these systems will create a reaction that seeks to balance the initial action, or at least neutralizes its effects. This may lead to an explanation of how degenerate Western culture, with its debilitating effects on birth rates, may be a useful reaction to a system that aims to limit the human population in a way that war and diseases no longer do.

Before I can assert that argument, I first have to show how there is no free lunch, even on things you take for granted. Any benefit to human beings must come with a cost to either other humans or to the earth. Here are three examples:

1. Toothpaste. There is a tiny personal cost for you to brush your teeth and remove the bacteria that causes cavities, tooth decay, and painful visits to the dentist, but how about the effects of toothpaste on the earth? Toothpaste contains a large amount of chemicals that are made in factories, with waste products released into the environment. Untold amounts of clean water are used every day so that humans can brush, and the foamy waste, laden with chemicals, is released back into nature. While brushing your teeth has a personal benefit, the earth absorbs the cost.

2. Antibiotics. The immediate effect of antibiotics is saving human life, and for several decades, there seemed to be no cost to this miracle discovery. But microorganisms have since adapted, and now there are human beings today who have virulent infections that can’t be cured. People who would have survived a minor skin infection 100 years ago may now die from it because of antibiotic use. There are also millions of animals in factory farms being pumped with antibiotics, suffering greatly to bring cheap meat to everyone. Their flesh is laden with antibiotics that can now negatively affect your health, causing you chronic health issues through diet at the same time it cures you from infections when administered in pill form.

3. Automobiles. This invention is beneficial in allowing easy and relatively cheap transportation between towns and cities while improving communication, but the negative effects are just as great. The petroleum needed to operate automobiles have been the main reason for multiple resource wars that have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and the additional suffering of untold millions. The byproduct of petroleum use has caused great environmental damage in the form of smog and air pollution, causing respiratory illnesses for those living in dense cities. The car itself, while convenient, changed the nature of society, atomizing social life and reducing a person’s dependence on meaningful small communities while encouraging conspicuous consumption that more readily make people dependent on corporations.

I use toothpaste every day, I use antibiotics when I’m sick, and I travel by machines that use petroleum, but there is a cost to them even if it’s externalized onto others or the earth, and that cost must overall be equal to the benefit. What determines if a system like a human or city uses a certain invention is if the benefit to the in-system outweighs the cost to the out-systems. If the cost can be externalized somehow, if we don’t see the sick animals on antibiotics, the people dying in the Middle East, the polluted oceans dumped with our toothpaste chemicals, or the smoggy cities of Asia, we will continue to use those products. When the cost of industrialization led to high levels of pollution in England, for example, they externalized that cost on foreign countries while still receiving significant monetary benefits of either controlling or taxing the productive output.

The human being is an animal that—if you are to believe in Darwin—wants to increase its population to the maximum allowable by the food supply. In this quest to maximally increase population, however, human beings sometimes engage in wars between each other that limit the population. They also engage in wars of sorts with microorganisms that infect and kill people, also limiting their population, sometimes on a massive scale. Droughts and other natural disasters serve as additional population reducers. For most of human history, there have been factors that greatly limited or slowed population growth, so that any substantial increase that humans achieved out of balance with existing nature was met with a check in the form of war, disease, or famine.

Through advancement in medicine and adapting to the planetary environment, negative effects on population through disease and famine have been sharply reduced, and since the advent of nuclear weapons, there has been no great war that has wiped out up to 25% of a nation’s population like with World War 2. Instead there are smaller wars and engagements that don’t even begin to approach the level of human loss as the wars of old. World population is predicted to increase by billions more. Therefore can’t we conclude that humans have transcended the laws of balance upon the earth?

If you are to believe in Eastern philosophy, a limiting factor must come forth that ensures human beings don’t permanently disturb the energy balance of the earth, and in turn, the universe. You may think of a balancing force in the form of a nuclear war, a gigantic asteroid hitting the earth, or an extra virulent form of ebola sweeping through the world, but these are all physical limitations. Who is to say that balance can’t be achieved metaphysically, through ideas?

In the Western world, human beings, all of whom supposedly encode for genes that aim to reproduce to the limit of the food supply, as specifically stated by both Darwin and Wallace, are actively not reproducing even though food is in surplus. They are taking on behaviors and lifestyles that greatly limit their reproductive potential by engaging in contraception on a massive scale, aborting fetuses, pursuing material accumulation during their prime fertile years, and purposefully avoiding the emotional connection required for successful mating. They may appear on the surface to act as sex-crazed animals by engaging in hyper promiscuous behaviors, but they don’t reproduce like them.

There is currently no country in the Anglo world or Western Europe where natives are reproducing above the death rate (only France comes close). This means that if it wasn’t for immigration from the third world, these countries would experience a demographic collapse that leads to marginalization of those nations’ power and a decrease in the standard of living for its inhabitants. The elites, therefore, are so desperate for immigrants to stock a nation composed of natives that don’t reproduce (an image of pandas in the zoo come to mind) that they are allowing the poor and destitute to enter even if they show hostility to democratic ideals and assimilation.

I propose that the dominant set of ideologies of the West—equality, multiculturalism, consumerism, individualism, and cosmopolitanism—combine synergistically to halt reproduction and limit population, not unlike wars and diseases in the past. The ideas of Western culture have similar effects on limiting population as the World Wars. How can this be? How can human beings, when organized in large and seemingly rational systems, adopt for so long a maladaptive set of ideas that go against human reproductive potential?

To examine this confusion, you simply need to look at your own behavior. Do you have children? Probably not. Are you actively reproducing to the maximum limit of your resources? No. Are you encouraging the women you sleep to use contraception? Yes. Are you pursuing entertainment, hedonism, individualism, and materialism in a far greater degree than reproduction? Yes. If you impregnated a girl, would you seriously object to her getting an abortion? No.

I’m sure you can provide me with logical reasons as to why you’re not reproducing: the divorce laws are unfair, you value your freedom, and modern women make for bad mothers. I would firmly agree with you, but to think that a handful of legal downsides or the need to have a drink with your buddies whenever you want are the reasons at completely halting efforts to create life, actively trying to prevent reproduction, and ultimately failing in your evolutionary destiny, is not an argument I can buy.

It’s possible and perhaps likely that Western culture is the universe’s adaption to runaway population growth that it is unable to limit in traditional ways of war, famine, and disease. Western culture is the reaction to harm caused by human beings on the universe. This argument takes a bit of a spiritual leap of faith in that you must believe that nothing in the universe can be created or destroyed, and that there is a almost deliberate attempt by the universe’s systems to seek balance, but it’s the only explanation that can explain how humanity has gone off the rails in regard to evolution and reproduction when food and resources are so plentiful, though of course this makes the assumption that evolution is true and our animal destiny is to merely survive and reproduce.

Your plan to never reproduce is therefore not entirely your choice, and is not encoded absolutely into your genetics, because if the human race were in far lower numbers, you would possibly have multiple children already. Your genes do not code for pre-destined “selfish” behavior, meaning that interactions with the earthly environment, when combined with the requirement for balance, has determined that you and your Western countrymen must not reproduce above the death rate. It’s possible that you may even take on behaviors that kill you off faster, like we have with the obesity epidemic.

In addition to the argument that the universe seeks balance, I’m sure you would agree that the earth does not need more human beings than it has now, that they have overcrowded the system in relation to other animals and organisms. Therefore, if I personally promote a more traditional ideology that would increase birth rates, I would be going against wishes of the system. Even if my ideology wins, and supplants the current Western narrative, that means the universe would simply seek another means to seek balance, perhaps through more brutish means. Traditional ideas are not helpful to the earth at this stage of humanity, and so maybe the race to eliminate it from so many modern cultures is, paradoxically, natural.

If you think of the earth as an entropic system of actions and reactions, anything that happens must be an attempt by the system to address a cost that has not yet been paid. Western culture, as maladaptive, degenerate, and harmful to human beings as it is, could be what the system ordered to alleviate the effects of humanity on the Earth, before they are able to cause further disturbance.

Even if you don’t accept this explanation at face value, we can not deny that there is no free lunch and that every cost must be paid in some way. The absence of war and pandemics don’t mean that other mechanisms we don’t fully understand aren’t currently in play to control the human population, and so we can’t be entirely surprised that such a huge portion of humanity is actively pushing ideals that achieve a common end: to stop human reproduction.[culturewar]

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  1. Untergang07 May 18, 2015 at 9:11 am

    Even if you don’t accept this explanation at face value, we can not deny
    that there is no free lunch and that every cost must be paid in some

    Agree, nothing is free, however the carrying capacity of this planet has not been reached, logistics systems and overhauling of harmful agricultural and industrial practices can easily enable populations far larger than what we have now. The problem is the political will.

    The absence of war and pandemics don’t mean that other mechanisms
    we don’t fully understand aren’t currently in play to control the human
    population, and so we can’t be entirely surprised that such a huge
    portion of humanity is actively pushing ideals that achieve a common
    end: to stop human reproduction.

    You assume tomorrow will be as yesterday and today and that our times are normal. You fail to understand, in spite of your great knowledge that our system will not be sustainable and war will return, localized war in our case. And as you pointed out, diseases will make a come back since antibiotics are losing effectiveness as we speak and even hygiene is on the wane.

    By the way, your exposition of the Eastern philosophy shows why the West surpassed the East after certain point. Their philosophies are fatalist.

    1. David May 18, 2015 at 9:59 am

      I agree with all of your points, most especially the skepticism of peak population claims. These oft-recycled Malthusian theories always have failure baked into them because they fail to account for innovation and resourcefulness. If somebody looked down upon Tokyo a thousand years ago and said, “One day 15 million people will live here”, one would assume that those people would immediately die of starvation and a ‘Soylent Green’-style cluster of disease and despair. They would not know about skyscrapers, food preservation and transportation systems, mass transit, etc., etc.

      However, while BPA and the phthalates are indeed a major problem of feminizing men (and women), I disagree with the notion that they’re the sole cause of problems (note that high-breeding blacks and Hispanics are also exposed to them). I believe that the plummeting sperm counts and T levels are caused by a combination of phthalates, USA vaccines (which I recommend ALL parents avoid like the plague; homeschool if necessary) and low fat, high sugar diets.


      1. Untergang07 May 18, 2015 at 10:56 am

        You are right, industry emissions of those endocrine disruptors are not the only cause, however I think they have the largest impact, even greater than vaccines, even though vaccines as they are administered are dangerous and their toxic load (and that of the objective population) have increased.

        You can check this interesting report of the effects of our industrial malpractice on the wildlife and the findings are very upsetting to say the least: http://www.chemtrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Male-Wildlife-Under-Threat-2008-full-report.pdf
        If Black and Hispanic populations are not as affected is because their exposure to the industrial waste and byproducts has been for a few decades, however western white populations have been exposed to that crap since the times of “Better living through Chemistry”

      2. invisiblehand85 May 18, 2015 at 11:34 am

        Do you see innovation and resourcefulness in the third world?

      3. ChimpGod May 19, 2015 at 9:34 am

        Negatory.. I’m in Ukraine, and sometimes it amazes me how unresourceful they are.. everyone is always loitering.

      4. invisiblehand85 May 20, 2015 at 1:27 pm

        Yeah it was a rhetorical question

      5. anon1 May 24, 2015 at 8:05 am

        agree on most of what you say except vaccines. older generation are old enough to remember polio and TB, and vaccines are most definitely a net positive.

      6. David May 25, 2015 at 10:56 pm

        No, they’re not. Polio was largely a benign disease, and its decrease (and most diseases) had little to do with vaccines and tons to do with increase in hospital sanitation, indoor plumbing, and personal hygeine. Modern USA vaccines number 4x as many as in 1984 (and rising). If you have children, visit NVIC org.

      7. anon1 May 27, 2015 at 2:23 pm

        dude i have had extended family with polio, its not benign.

        I put the anti-vaxxers in the same group as the people who think dinosaurs didn’t exist and that the earth was created 5000 years ago.

        Don’t get me wrong i think religious faith is important, much moreso than the malignancy that is atheism, but anti-intellectualism will never be something i can support.

      8. David May 27, 2015 at 6:03 pm

        If you had family with polio, then you would know it’s benign in healthy individuals. The same as chicken pox, measles, the flu, whooping cough and every other disease Americans (but, smartly, not Israelis, Japanese, or Icelanders) are trying to “save” their fat, asexual kids from. (Wonder why boys are being born with undescended testicles and hypospadias? Start w/ the phthalate-ridden American vaccines injected into mothers and infants. Baby boys are supposed to have more testosterone than grown men for the first four months of life, but gross American baby boys have less than any others.)

        I put the pro-vaxxers in the same anti-science, patriot conformist categories as people who say “race doesn’t exist” and “gender is a social construct”.

        The bottom line, though, is that I don’t care what you super-patriots put into your own body. Just keep your creepy hands off other people’s children, especially mine. #VaxFree

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  2. Scottie M. May 18, 2015 at 9:18 am

    I must say that I really, really really disagree with number 1. I live in China and I teach young children. And I must say that toothpaste is not something superfluous or unnecessary. Dental health has been absolutely proven time and time again to correlate with overall health, and a reduction in tooth decay corresponds to a longer lifespan. Now the Chinese haven’t developed the same view as dental health as Westerners have, and they are paying the price for it. Using toothpaste doesn’t destroy mother earth. It’s something we all must do to live our fullest lives. I’ve told my colleagues before that while I enjoy working with children, the absolute worst part of my job is their disgusting rotting teeth. Even the rich children who come from rich families have rotting teeth with giant black-gunk filled cavities plainly in sight when they smile. Please, do me and all of humanity a favor and brush your damn teeth. Just because your kids are kids and they’ll lose their baby teeth doesn’t mean that those teeth don’t need to be taken care of. Brush and floss everyday.

    1. Der Mac May 19, 2015 at 1:29 am

      Hygiene in general is not exactly a Chinese strength.

      1. Warsie February 7, 2016 at 7:02 pm

        Hygiens is a Chines strength, compared to “westerners” historically

      2. Da Mac February 8, 2016 at 2:21 am

        Yeah, maybe six hundred years ago.

  3. TJ May 18, 2015 at 9:55 am

    This reminds me of Calhoun’s rat utopia experiments where the population would reach a certain size before plummeting due to the “behavioral sink”.

  4. theakinet May 18, 2015 at 10:50 am

    Cities are a populatiom sinks*, and urban populations are increasing globally. So that’s one way to achieve balance; promote city life (Sex and the City), and make it more attractive to live with high density (Stop and Frisk, higher paying/prestigous jobs).

    Personally I perfer close in suburbs. Benefits of city life, but with a yard.

    *Suburbs/exurbans are the source, cities are the sink: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source–sink_dynamics

  5. Hung Aryan May 18, 2015 at 11:10 am

    It’s not white people that overpopulate the planet. Those times are long gone. So they shouldn’t be the ones with a declining population. There’s probably a reason why the malaria cure is not in use, although it’s already available… imagine the chaos. There is also an invention from Hungary that could cure arteriosclerosis, therefore increasing life expectancy. But it would be impractical, as the population is aging already. BTW these things could be solved easily. Not overnight, but easily.

  6. Andrea May 18, 2015 at 11:24 am

    I raised this point months ago and I’m happy to see you’ve expanded it. Where are the philosophers? Or the spiritual men? Maybe even the physicists? The notion of balance is a very intriguing argument and it can easily lead to conversations about almost anything including our personal balance and how its disturbance causes illness. When we start thinking about molecules and galaxies we can get very interesting. Articles like these get me checking your blog regularly.

  7. invisiblehand85 May 18, 2015 at 11:30 am

    Excellent. I’m reproducing asap, I’ve decided. It’s my worldly duty.

    And Malthusian law is still observed in Africa, India and other impoverished areas. I’m not letting them overtake the earth while I sit and watch and send them charity money.

    1. Randy Bobandy May 18, 2015 at 1:16 pm

      Africa has never known Malthus, the continents population has always been checked in ways other than scarcity of fertile soil. Men traditionally had to compete with Elephants, Lions, Tsetse flies, etc. etc. for survival, so the population there traditionally never had the chance to reach any Malthusian limit in food supply.


      This also ties to their cultures and genetics being so different to men of western or eastern civilizations, negros always had a very different environment that they adapted to.

      1. invisiblehand85 May 20, 2015 at 6:02 am

        Are you telling me there is no starvation in Africa today due to food shortages

      2. Randy Bobandy May 20, 2015 at 7:54 am


        Their food shortages just have nothing to do with nearing a peak food producing capacity (actually, many african countries with starving populace have simultaneously been net food exporters). The continent could support all the current africans and much more, if they got their shit together.

      3. invisiblehand85 May 20, 2015 at 1:20 pm

        The point is they do not have their shit together.

  8. jbird669 May 18, 2015 at 11:50 am

    I find this interesting as a I see most women around here with multiple children and often no fathers.

  9. Thomas More May 18, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    Hello Roosh

    I’m a long time reader of your blog as well as a supporter of red pill truths espoused by a variety of red pill writers such as Rollo and Roissy. Your recent article on “neo-masculinity” did a good job of summarizing the ideas of the manosphere, and speaking from experience, your writings have probably helped more men dealing with depression and anger issues than most, if not all, therapist, social workers, doctors, priests etc…

    However, I strongly disagree with the ideas forwarded in this article. I have spent the better part of my last ten years making sense of modern social trends including culture, economics, philosophy and human behaviour. The theorem you present in this article is an ideological trap encouraged by social planners for those not content with modern culture and are looking for a “spiritual” reason for the decay of western civilization. It’s a convenient and contrived explanation for the masses, but the truth, like the red pill truths in the manosphere, have a more logical, albeit darker, explanation.

    In your article you presented a theorem “Western culture is the reaction to harm caused by human beings on the universe (…) and that there is a almost deliberate attempt by the universe’s systems to seek balance, but it’s the only explanation that can explain how humanity has gone off the rails in regard to evolution and reproduction when food and resources are so plentiful, though of course this makes the assumption that evolution is true and our animal destiny is to merely survive and reproduce.”

    I submit the following thesis “The progressive decay of Western culture is the result of over 100 years of social programming by the international economical and intellectual governing class. The goal of said governing class is a scientifically ordered and structured society wherein the governing class is
    guaranteed to retain their social status because of the complete intellectual anesthetization of the masses. ”

    The current state of western culture is a transition phase for the governing elite wherein the remaining traditional elements of society…family, traditional gender roles, religion (almost wiped out), nations (in reality wiped out), are completely eradicated to pave the way for the modern “scientific dictatorship”. Huxley outlined the basic structure of this society in his book Brave New World. The author Aldous Huxley, along with his brother Julian Huxley, were at the centre of the international and globalization movements of the early 20th century and were in the position to understand the goals of the social planners.

    How does this relate to your article? Firstly, the social planners are behind both the social chaos and the proposed solutions for the chaos resulting from their plans. One of the solutions for those in search of answers, or spirituality, is the New Age. The idea of balance in nature and the subsequent social balance resulting from culture is an idea developed by the New age. This religion is a form of “spirituality” which began at the end of the 19th and early 20th
    century which was a blend of both eastern mysticism and late 19th century
    occultism. In fact, the New Age or its variants, incorporate many of the tenets
    of cultural Marxism, communism and feminism.

    Secondly, in your article you mention that sterility is a way for the world to achieve balance as a result of the hedonistic lifestyles of modern individuals. I submit that the sterility of the western culture was the desired result allowing for mass immigration in order to introduce political correctness and censorship. It is difficult to wage a cultural war on a homogeneous population with one religion, race and culture. The degradation of social norms is done slowly through programming (television, radio, magazines, public schools, internet, new age religion etc.), and technology (cell phones, social media, internet pornography etc.) so that each subsequent generation is more perverse than the previous generation.

    The new age religion, communism, feminism, and cultural Marxism
    are in fact social movements with the same ideological origin incorporating a readymade answer and solution to the chaos created by the social planners. The ideological roots governing the “elite” and the variety of movements they created stem from the “age of enlightenment” of the 18th century and the hermetic orders of the middle ages. The modern Zeitgeist movement is an well know example of New Age spirituality that proposes solutions (communist ones) to problems the social planners created. The New Age also ties into many social accepted myths i.e. Overpopulation and global warming (certain types of pollution are problematic
    but not CO2), and proposes solutions to non-existent or exaggerated issues.

    To summarize: Eastern mysticism and similar New Age ideas are dead ends. They provide easy answers by linking false premises together in order to conceal esoteric truths difficult for the masses to comprehend.

    HEREIN LIES THE DANGER ROOSH: You may end up serving those
    you’ve attempted to usurp. Do not look for answers in Eastern spirituality and
    religion, one can study them to understand their role in the current cultural
    Zeitgeist, but not as an answer to cultural trends nor as a spiritual guideline.

    I believe the study of philosophy, religion, theology and the occult to be necessary for a comprehensive understanding of the world. The three religions that are acceptable for the proper structure of human society are Traditional Roman Catholicism (pre-Vatican 2), the Orthodox churches (ones not infiltrated by communist, feminist and the ecumenical movement) and Islam (ones not corrupted by the West). All other religions, movements and groups incorporate some form occult, new age, feminist, communist or earth worship culture.

    This is a very brief overview of certain things to consider going forward in your search for truths and your own self-improvement.

    The world is wrought with plato’s caves. Be wary of escaping one only to fall into another!

    See you in Montreal


    1. Krum May 18, 2015 at 3:56 pm

      Thank you, Thomas! There’s so much truth in your comment. It was an honour reading it.

    2. Roosh_V May 18, 2015 at 3:59 pm

      I disagree with nothing you said, and have written at length the specific mechanisms you describe. This article attempts to understand the “why” of it using a different reference point, though in the end I stand by the “free lunch” assertion and also the end goal of Western culture limiting reproduction, regardless of the reason (metaphysical or specifically due to an elite group’s need for power and control).

      1. Zelcorpion May 19, 2015 at 8:33 am

        Roosh makes the philosophical point that even the negative machinations of those elite circles are some kind of balancing act of life. You cannot argue with that really – who knows? How do you not know whether that is some kind of divine or natural plan?

      2. Randy Bobandy May 19, 2015 at 10:37 am

        Occam’s Razor. If it looks idiotic and suicidal from every angle, it most likely is. I rather stick to trying to understand the world through science than occultism.

      3. Zelcorpion May 19, 2015 at 10:41 am

        Philosophy is not occultism. No one is lighting any black candles for you.

      4. Randy Bobandy May 19, 2015 at 11:20 am

        There’s no philosophical argument here. All Roosh really said was that there may be a cosmic force who’s guiding our social engineering for a higher purpose. No logic to support that claim, really, neither theological nor historical – I find that very hard to take seriously.

        Why is such a supernaturaly entity a plausible thing to consider, and what would this Balance it seeks to uphold, exactly mean?

      5. Zelcorpion May 19, 2015 at 12:36 pm

        I guess you are not accustomed with what philosophy can all encompass. The only way how you can prove that Roosh’s argument is untruthful is if you have studied 500.000 species over hundreds of millions of years all across the galaxies and observed their histories in detail. When all follow certain pattern then there might be more to the philosophical argument than it seems.

      6. Randy Bobandy May 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm

        Of course I can’t prove him wrong conclusively. There’s simply a total absence of evidence to support his thesis, so I see little reason to entertain the idea.

        When we have good, plausible theories of cultural (and genetic) evolution, why ditch those to ponder the possibility of a hidden entity being the prime motor at work?

      7. OrthodoxChristian May 20, 2015 at 4:30 am

        “When we have good, plausible theories of cultural (and genetic) evolution, why ditch those to ponder the possibility of a hidden entity being the prime motor at work?”

        Other than that the only people having children (without being motivated by welfare benefits) are theists? That would be: Evolution is 19th century pseudo-science disproved by the latest in physics and genetics.


        Not long ago, it was thought that only the gene portions of DNA contained sufficient code to direct the development and operation of mature organisms. The remaining non-gene portions of DNA were thought of
        as accumulated “junk” left over from eons of evolution. This was definitively demonstrated to be false in the summer of 2007, when bioinformaticians discovered that almost all the DNA is used, if not for coding traits, then perhaps for regulating cell processes.3 Now, not only does it seem probable that the entirety of DNA contains
        useful information, but epigenetic factors are additional informational structures necessary to access, interpret, and process that genetic information.

        Each layer of integrated information within cells strengthens the case for the intelligent creation of these living systems and against the natural development of them. One of the reasons that long-time atheist Antony Flew became a theist was the presence of “genetic instructions [that] are not the kind of information you find in thermodynamics; rather, they constitute semantic information. In other words, they constitute meaning.”

      8. Randy Bobandy May 20, 2015 at 8:41 am

        Yes, religious people have more kids. That IS evolution at work.

        I don’t pretend to know much about macroevolution or origin of life. But those things I don’t see as very relevant when talking about variation in Homo Sapiens culture. Maybe there is an intelligent creator who put us all here, but if so, he certainly made a complex enough system to not need constantly meddle with it afterwards.

      9. Thomas More May 18, 2015 at 8:55 pm

        True, one goal of Western culture is limiting reproduction
        and I agree that at one time or another western culture will have to pay the piper for more than half a century of pure hedonism and materialism. My comment was less concerned about content and conclusions and more about the metaphorical framework of the article i.e. eastern philosophy, the notion of balance in the
        universe etc. Language being essential for the conceptualization of ideas, and notwithstanding the message being transmitted, certain phrases and concepts are automatic Red flags for those well versed in esoteric subject matter. Perhaps I was overzealous in my metaphorical assessment of this article but one could argue that caution is best given the state of modern society.

        On a side note, I must applaud the quality of recent
        articles such as “The Damaging Effects Of Jewish Intellectualism And Activism On Western Culture”, “People Should Not Be Allowed Unlimited Personal Freedom” and “Western men are evolutionary dead ends”,among others, which allow for debate on subject matters considered as “thought crime” in the Western world.

        Keep up the good work


    3. Jonathan Roseland May 19, 2015 at 1:15 am

      As much as I like to entertain Roosh’s psuedo spiritual theory Okam’s Razor would put the blame for degenerate western culture squarely on our selfish and hedonistic nature…

      1. Guest May 26, 2015 at 4:46 pm

        Nope. Modern western culture is NOT a reflection of our true human nature. Cultural Marxism, anyone?

      2. Guest May 26, 2015 at 4:47 pm

        Occam’s Razor – it’s good for the Juuwz! 🙂

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  10. Randy Bobandy May 18, 2015 at 1:34 pm

    “There is currently no country in the Anglo world or Western Europe
    where natives are reproducing above the death rate (only France comes
    close). This means that if it wasn’t for immigration from the third
    world, these countries would experience a demographic collapse that
    leads to marginalization of those nations’ power and a decrease in the
    standard of living for its inhabitants. The elites,
    therefore, are so desperate for immigrants to stock a nation composed
    of natives that don’t reproduce (an image of pandas in the zoo come to
    mind) that they are allowing the poor and destitute to enter even if
    they show hostility to democratic ideals and assimilation.

    I propose that the dominant set of ideologies of the West—equality,
    multiculturalism, consumerism, individualism, and
    cosmopolitanism—combine synergistically to halt reproduction and limit
    population, not unlike wars and diseases in the past. The ideas of
    Western culture have similar effects on limiting population as the World
    Wars. How can this be? How can human beings, when organized in large
    and seemingly rational systems, adopt for so long a maladaptive set of
    ideas that go against human reproductive potential?”

    I can’t see any truth to that. Traditional western society was good at limiting population growth, with restraint on reproduction beyond ones means. The current one isn’t with the obsession of importing dumb and reproduction-happy (r- vs K selection) foreigners to our midst. It is instead results in reckless population growth both in the west and in the third world where the immigrants come from.

    If you try to mix a society which shows restraint in reproduction, with a culturally and genetically r-selected culture, all you’ll get is a tragedy of the commons for the long-term planners.


    And below-replacement level reproduction doesn’t have to mean a decrease in living quality at all. It does result in some problems with taking care of the elderly, and may indeed reduce the global power and defensive capacity of a country – but ultimately it means more natural resources and capital to be had, per capita.

    1. invisiblehand85 May 19, 2015 at 10:06 am

      Below replacement reproduction will lead to extinction like the Japanese

      1. Randy Bobandy May 19, 2015 at 10:44 am

        To my knowledge the Japs are not extinct. Maybe they will be in a thousand years, for whatever reason, but is that a problem solvable by breeding more right now?

        There are of course ethnicities that run the risk of dying out as a distinct group due to lack of reproduction, like the Parsi, but they’re countless magnitudes smaller than the Jap population. So they have to deal with the issue now instead of having dozens of generations of time to reverse the trend.

      2. Untergang07 May 19, 2015 at 1:59 pm

        If your population dwindles that´s one thing, that situation can be alleviated in time. An aging population is an economic deathnell and in most cases a demographic one, due to the vicious circle effects and the inherent weakness against an invader force.

        The main point is that Japanese people have lost the collective will to live, men and women, hence one can predict their eventual extinction in less than one century (barring miraculous recovery or war).

      3. invisiblehand85 May 20, 2015 at 6:01 am

        They’re going extinct, in fewer than a thousand years. Yes, that problem is solvable by breeding more right now. This is seen in all wealthy nations today.

      4. spicynujac May 20, 2015 at 11:38 pm

        Are there any examples of modern, successful societies like Japan or the USA dying out by lack of breeding?

      5. incognitoperson May 21, 2015 at 5:41 pm

        It’s impossible to have modern examples because it takes time for dying out to occur. But there are historical examples if you look. Fall of Rome? I like Japan but it’s on track to fading from relevance.

  11. cracker May 18, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    the devils should all go back to Europe then everthing will just be fine

  12. jannis May 18, 2015 at 3:01 pm

    this whole MIGTOW game and feminism is about population decline, you think back in the days your parent where learning negging, plowing, rating women by numbers and where building their online reputation?! ask yourself how many of you have kids?

  13. IndianUgly_People_breed_more May 18, 2015 at 3:13 pm

    You are wrong, Eastern Bullshit philosophy is all about hypocrisy, take for example india, a nation full of ugly ,physically malnourished people, its expected that their numbers will grow to over 2 billion before there is any significant reduction in numbers… You hypothesis that Nature seeks balance is disproved by indian society, they multiply in some occasions faster than cockroaches , no natural disaster is big enough which can eliminate 30 percent of indian population

    Such is the sad fate of humanity, earth will be populated by more ugly people each passing decade, perhaps world will be full of ugly indians

    1. Blinko23 May 19, 2015 at 12:23 pm

      Pakistani troll detected.

  14. John Smith May 18, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    “the only explanation that can explain how humanity has gone off the rails in regard to evolution and reproduction when food and resources are so plentiful”

    You’re thinking about evolution wrong, dear Roosh. Let’s ignore your balance of the universe theory and look again at how evolution has gone “off the rails”. Evolution does not been we are born to be survivers. It only means that the ones that are left are the ones that survived. You also forget that there is no one race of human beings, any more than when Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals walked the earth together. There are an infinite number of subspecies today, some that survive the guantlet of evolution, and some, perhaps the hedonists, perhaps the libtards, perhaps you and me, will eventually die out. And it is quite possible theoretically, by the laws of evolution, that NO humans survive, that we are simple not the species to move forward into the next epoch, and that perhaps dolphins and chimps will be the dominant species, at least until they invent smartphones.

    Humanity didn’t go off the rails of evolution. There is nothing but the rails. But some tracks go further than others.

  15. Dogbert II May 18, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    > The elites, therefore, are so desperate for immigrants to stock a nation composed of natives that don’t reproduce

    That’s a bit simplistic IMO.

    My version: The “elites”, since they put foot in Europe, have bitten out their teeth trying to subjugate the natives. So eventually the decision was taken to go full-out destructive: genocide, deracination and propaganda would be employed to make the natives able to survive those weapons pliant to the malevolent r-strategising “elites”.
    Or, do you really think there is any benefit to be had by importing hordes of negroes? I contend, just look at the US and the native lands of those peoples to see what I mean.

  16. Libertas May 18, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    Creative, but the universe is going to limit us by way of resource depletion and it is going to happen this century. The economic system for the past two centuries has been based on a growth ideology that assumes the second law of thermodynamics doesn’t apply.

    The industrialized countries are actually already doing the smart thing and would be decreasing their numbers as energy and resources get more expensive, but the silly economic and PC narratives keep going on full steam ahead with unsustainable immigration.

    These predictions might be wrong if there was some BIG technological breakthrough (such as a cheap and convenient form of fusion energy), but at our present rates of behavior there is going to be some kind of reckoning. I think that the degeneracy is in some way related to the fact that we probably reached our natural limit (the system is only keeping pace because of endless debt that can never be repaid) and is a form of neurosis that comes as a result of desperation.

    I’m probably gonna ask your opinion on this in the Q&A session when you come to NYC Roosh, so get ready.

    1. Untergang07 May 19, 2015 at 2:01 pm

      The smart thing is space exploration since resource depletion will happen in time, that or a regression to the Stone Age…

      1. Libertas May 19, 2015 at 6:58 pm

        I agree, but we face the problem of the cost of getting mass into space that hasn’t been much improved upon, and until it is space exploration faces significant hurdles. Fuel improvements via fusion energy, electromagnetic takeoff, etc. may be ways to jump those hurdles.

        Point is we should be investing far more resources into doing these things instead of wasting them as we do on bullshit.

        If nothing happens and things continue as usual, I’m not predicting any regression to a pre-industrial lifestyle (though living standards will have to decline somewhat), it will only mean that growth will end. However that will cause a huge financial panic and some tough times in the transition.

        We’re in for some…”interesting” times.

    2. spicynujac May 20, 2015 at 11:45 pm

      I agree with your reasoning here, and with Roosh’s statement:

      Your plan to never reproduce is therefore not entirely your choice, and is not encoded absolutely into your genetics, because if the human race were in far lower numbers, you would possibly have multiple children already.

      There is already evidence in our lifetimes of the universe limiting things by resource depletion. Ocean fisheries are declining to levels where some fish are not even available as food sources consistently. I saw a very interesting Sushi documentary Jiro Dreams of Sushi and the old Japanese guy stated that there are dozens of fish that he simply can’t buy anymore that he used to serve at his restaurant. Water has gotten so expensive the average water bill in my town has gone from $6 every 3 months in the 1980s (friends mom told me this) to currently $80+ a month. The quality of food has declined along with the taste and as antibiotic-laden meats increase, I am becoming more of a vegetarian. The world can support more people, but only with more environmental harm and negative changes to the rest of us.

      The reason for mass immigration into western nations is due to the fiat economic systems these nations have implemented post-Bretton Woods. Basically all Western Democracies are financially insolvent; however, they can be kept going by immigration or population increases, at least in the short run, and this is far more politically palatable than the painful changes it would take to fix the problem.

      1. Libertas May 21, 2015 at 10:26 am

        I’m guessing you’re in the southwest? That region will probably be hit the hardest of all especially with its water issues, and its rapidly increasing population is going to cause a huge downward spiral. The immigration issue in the West is really just the most short-sighted and irresponsible policy I’ve ever seen in modern times.

  17. maltesers May 18, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    I have no idea why you wrote this piece of shit. In more than 8 years reading this blog, I´ve never expected to read such a load of trash.

    You´ve know started officially betraying all the principles you stood for. And you wanna know why? You´re becoming elite.

    Your analysis of the jews or our masters was spot on. Let´s call them israelis like business people do. You were afraid of telling that´s exactly what you think. The reality however is we need the israelis. Jews in the end freed man from the medieval ages. Because they are smarter. Non jews are smarter too. But only jews can carry a level of organization like we now witness everyday. Thank god there are jews. Problem is they are too much greedy. Like germans, they become blinded by greed. They are like a train without breaks. Truth is we still benefit from them.

    There´s this story of a man which had a back problem. A hunchback. His problem couldn´t be fixed. So he decided to create a plan where all people in the village would become hunchbacks. Therefore he would no longer be mocked. You see the jew is the hunchback. All immigration, multiculturalism, etc. are just ways of turning normal people into jews. This part of your review was spot on.

    Nobody wants to be jew by option.

    In Europe quotas of immigrants per country are being established. You can only understand the hypocrisy behind all the news regarding mediterranean immigrants. For fuck sake. Their cousins die of starvation and we don´t give a flying fuck.

    “Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime.” ― Aristotle

    Now about population problem.
    Does the elite want to have their beach spoiled by peasants?
    Please understand something.
    Malthus theory served only one goal to justify poverty. Poverty according to Malthus was inevitable. Since as more people are available to work less valuable will be wages. Pure supply and demand. Of course it was horse shit at the same level of your article.

    All idiotic malthus prediction were proved wrong. The social balance or state of equilibrum will be achieved when man do what is supposed to do. Breed.

    But shouldn´t there be an elite? Yes, of course. Shouldn´t there be rich people. Jews non jews or whatever? Yes. If someone is smarter and work harder, they deserve to get paid more, than the slob which passes his sunday sleeping like a cow. It´s like saying the guy which works out in the gym should have the same body of the fatfuck mcdonald´s eater.

    The problem is not so much the existence of an elite which is beneficial for a population, since in general they are smarter and can guide society better. But more when does the elite exaggerate on their abuse. The tipping point exists. There will be no social engineering capable of telling a father which cannot feed is children that he should be happy. There will be no programming which can take away the pain. That´s why I believe in democracy.

    Malthus was a little piece of shit, which theories served only the goal of the elite. And I might enjoy fine dining, drive a Porsche or whatever. But there will always be a voice telling me I got this because others don´t. Let it be blue pill.

    In my case I screw rich people so there´s not much remorse.

  18. Bavieca May 19, 2015 at 12:37 am

    Hi there Roosh, as always, a masterfully written article, a tad out of my league, in fact.

    This is out of topic, I’ve got banned at ROK since 3-4 days ago, sorry that I went overboard but can I at least be allowed to still give upvotes to the regular bros there? I mean these last several days and still is now, waves upon waves of SJWs invading ROK only to run their foul mouths about the site & the loyal regulars and then high-fiving each other with upvotes, sickening if you ask me.

    Much thanks in anticipation for you consideration.

  19. mclovin89 May 19, 2015 at 12:46 am


    there is no overpopulation just overcrowding in cities. Like look at Japan 127 million(4x canadas population) people live on an island 1/3 of the size of British Columbia and live on 15% of the land since 85% of it is too mountainous to use and cultivate.
    They just got really efficient infrastructure to do it. Like Tokyo area is the largest city in the world with over 30 million people(population of all of canada) living in it.

    With all that being said does india china iran indonesia egypt brazil among other nations really need to worry as long as they can get homes food medicine jobs and efficient infrastructure like the japanese. If they start looking at eastern work ethic and ingenuity(not the culture theres a difference) like the japanese germans and russians or just learn from them, instead of us in the west those nations would be better off.

  20. Claire May 19, 2015 at 1:31 am

    I’ve never read such crap in my life.

    1. Bavieca May 19, 2015 at 2:07 am

      Just came out from under that big rock you’ve been living your whole life now didn’t you?

  21. LordchatsworthSlappinghamshire May 19, 2015 at 3:42 am

    “Western narrative, that means the universe would simply seek another means to seek balance, perhaps through more brutish means. Traditional ideas are not helpful to the earth at this stage of humanity, and so maybe the race to eliminate it from so many modern cultures is, paradoxically, natural.”

    For complex reasons which i shall now partially explain, We needed the population growth, why?

    Genius-Per-Capita ratio’s

    We have a lot more genius’s now with a population of 7 billion than we did with a population of 1 billion

    Now, as we can see from the chart. The more people we have, the more people we have available to figure out how to solve our biological problems since regardless of IQ, we all have bodies, with similar organs with similar characteristics, and we tend to expire medically from a similar assortment of ailments, even Einstein expired from a heart problem

    But, we now have 3 billion people about to have the power of DNA , and artificial intelligence… What will happen to medicine? within the next 10-20 years it is going to be profound, since we are all communicating and sharing information

    Since we only produce (unfortunately) a few genius’s per 10,000 people, we need a large population to increase the odds of birthing someone intelligent enough that the rest of us can benefit,

    also to keep in mind, the knowledge of the brian and intelligence is increasing so that not only do we have a larger population, but that population is becoming more high-tech, humanity is a super-organism that keeps improving itself

    innovators that increase our quality of life are rare amongst the general population

    Population is power, since the genius-per-capita is a numbers game

    The next step in having a human population of 20 billion?

    anti-gravity technology
    the indefinate lifespan
    Intelligence augmentation
    The ability to generate complex biosphere-like-architecture in space, this gets rid of the “burden of the earth”

    Basically, improving the efficiency of the body to barely use any resources, also, VR is going to be like a “dimensional” portal where you can’t tell the difference between real or non-real, but the real world, is just a representation of our own subjective analysis, as arthur schoepenhauer explained in his world as will and representation.

    In terms of caloric energy, the developed world has a surplus, we die from over-eating. We suffer from our own success lol

    Also the sun is a fusion reactor that will last for 5 billion years, and we keep getting better and better at turning it’s heat into energy (think a tiny magnifying glass) Than realize that energy is infinite. the earth itself is 70% water

    As for “environmental issues”

    We’re going to develop nanotech, that swarms the environment with complex sensors and gathers each substance, entrapping it, and than coagulating it into one location, So

    We’re going to clean up the mess we created in the present, with the technology of the future.

  22. mclovin89 May 19, 2015 at 3:49 am


    skip to 2:30 but 3:00 is the main point

    well at 5:55 disagree there lota south asian women arent that hot unless born here but of course think highly of themselves due to culture and course more hot tempered and emotional.

  23. ComradePrescott May 19, 2015 at 6:27 am

    Overpopulation is its own solution.

  24. T and A man May 19, 2015 at 8:24 am

    There is no such thing as a successful species, or civilisation, that chooses not to breed. That is self evident.

    Letting women vote is not a successful human trait.

  25. Zelcorpion May 19, 2015 at 8:28 am

    The technological argument is limited:

    1. Toothpaste can be done via non-toxic, bio-degradable ingredients like baking soda and herbs. The natural toothpastes are created in similar fashions. Even the containers can be done that way.

    2. Antibiotics are in itself quite natural, but were simply massively overused. Most of the uses now could be replaced via high-dosage vitamins and very seldom would antibiotics be used retaining the effectiveness of those treatments.

    3. Cars could not only be produced with bio-degradable materials like the hemp making it by fare more durable than plastic or even light steel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgE6Tzi3Lg. The propulsion technology of cars is primitive, but you have to keep in mind, that new technologies have been deliberately suppressed to assure the profitability of the oil industry. There are literally dozens of possibilities to replace the destructive petroleum addiction.

    As far as your perception of a balance is concerned – I guess something like that happens. A lot of the current population reduction stems from human intervention, but there is likely some kind of balancing element. From history we see every time when men were in the stark minority due to wars of calamity, then the result was an instant return to hard-core patriarchy and traditional values. Women were pairing off with the few men and having babies like crazy. This happened the last time during the 1950s after WW2. As soon as gender balance is returned or there are even way more men than women, then the pendulum swings back as women can indulge in their vices and passions. In a way that seems to be the balancing natural act since even Muslim patriarchal countries barely have subsistence population growth. It means that even there the men cannot motive the women to reproduce at higher levels. Nature in itself has a balancing mechanism.

    1. Dumb Pollack May 20, 2015 at 8:50 am

      There is effort underway in building a thorium-powered car. I don’t have the link but one nuclear battery can last a hundred year. Think of what impact it will have on the Big Oil!

      1. Zelcorpion May 20, 2015 at 8:56 am

        Yes – battery technology has been deliberately stunted. There appeared plenty of alternative systems, but never went much beyond the first stages for a strange kind of reason. Car batteries are roughly 1930s tech.

      2. Dumb Pollack May 20, 2015 at 8:59 am

        Could it be that the Wall Street don’t want anything threatening its oil profits and have its Congress puppets throwing up roadblocks?


      3. Zelcorpion May 20, 2015 at 9:09 am

        It’s way beyond congress. Some inventors and pioneers report about FBI agents and in some instances even secret service agents having simply confiscated their equipment. Then they say that you can sue them and see how it goes for you. In other instances there are simply warnings uttered.

        The secret services are the muscle of the real state – not congress. Politicians are the PR managers.

  26. Gentleman X May 19, 2015 at 8:50 am

    It would seem to me that biology, as it were, cannot explain everything. Its almost as if man is more than a mere animal, as if he had a soul.

  27. Michael May 19, 2015 at 10:38 am

    One thing you did not mention is that western countries DON’T NEED to limit reproduction as they are generally not overpopulated. It’s countries in Africa and Asia that are waaayyy overpopulated. They need to reduce their populations, but the west does not.

    1. Dogbert II May 19, 2015 at 4:03 pm

      Perhaps the “West” should help those countries to keep their populations in check, or even to rapidly decrease them. More effective than spending trillions in “aid” for a century and get zero results.

      1. Dumb Pollack May 20, 2015 at 8:48 am

        The aid have nothing to do with helping people. It have everything to do with helping the wasteful governments making payments on the big loans from the Wall Street banks that controls the US purse. The Chinese, I understand, didn’t bother much with aid programs and focus instead on the actual investment that created jobs for the natives. In long run, the natives will prefer having the Chinese over the Americans because they practice win-win solution. That will seriously undercut the Anglo Empire and this is the real reason why they fears China.

  28. ADAMROBERTS May 19, 2015 at 10:57 am

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  29. Just Tim May 19, 2015 at 2:58 pm

    It already is.

    Why do you think 19th Century USA made the “White America” policy? It’s because the Angles themselves have gone Victorian, to the point it literally had to import Germans and Scandinavians, just to buoy their population.

  30. David B. May 19, 2015 at 4:05 pm

    Dude, you got pissed at me and banned me from ROK for calling you Stalinistic. Now you’re just proving my point. The Earth is not overpopulated. You could fit every human in Texas with a population density about the same as Paris.

    I respect your intelligence, which is the single best compliment I can give anyone. You’re directing it on the wrong heading with this and that other article about limiting freedom.

    Read some Ayn Rand. Seriously. I know she is a woman and that will make you suspicious but truth is truth. Start with “For the New Intellectual.” She wrote it to you. She wrote it to anyone who wanted to defy the garbage intellectualism that has been encroaching on Western Civ for the past century plus.

    I will literally buy that book for you if you want. But I suspect you can afford the ten bucks on your own.

    1. Roosh_V May 19, 2015 at 4:37 pm

      I’m getting off the individualism train.

      1. EinAynRandRound May 19, 2015 at 11:18 pm

        Ayn rand was always quoting “mankind” she got her juices flowing fantasizing about how awesome “MAN” kind was, she was a male worshipper, She loved the cock, and had no mercy riding the eiffel tower into paradise, God bless her!

    2. pinetree May 20, 2015 at 8:10 am

      First, that was a fantastic article by Roosh !! Second, you are deluded if you think every human can fit in Texas and the earth is not getting over populated. In 1300, world population was about 370 million. In 1800 it was 1 billion. In 1900 it was 1.5 billion. In 2000 –only 100 years later, it shot up to a staggering 7 billion and rising. If you plot this on a graph -http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World-Population-1800-2100.png —
      you see this is a very abnormal sharp rise. All technical analysis of charts shows when there is such a step curve up, the next phase is usually a sharp decline. The earth has never had such a big strain on its resources and we are in unknown waters as to how it will react. Anyone who tells you otherwise is only being foolish. What is even a bigger problem though is animal factory farming which has increased animal population to 70 Billion !! (Watch the documentary Cowspiracy for stats). Cows drink 35 gallons of water a day. Fresh water is fast being depleted. Animal factory farming emits more greenhouse gases than the combined industrial sector which includes cars, planes, factories. In fact the real reality is animal over population is the number one factor destroying the earth. So I have to agree with Roosh that the earth has its own ways which we do not understand yet to rebalance itself. In my humble opinion there are already things happening that will bring world population down dramatically to may be the 4 billion mark in the near future — and the dip may even go a lot lower than that.

      1. Reason And Believing May 20, 2015 at 8:36 am

        Every family could have a house , and small yard , all fitting in the state of Texas
        People aren’t that big compared to the world.
        A 1/8th acre garden in their yard can feed a family of four all year.

      2. spicynujac May 20, 2015 at 11:57 pm

        Yes, if you want to eat nothing but rapidly growing switchgrass for every meal.

        In reality, people enjoy having space, eating meat (which requires thousands of gallons of fresh water and acres of land), and eating a diverse healthy assortment of foods. Not to mention having leisure activities, and an environment with fresh air and water.

      3. Sean Baxer May 22, 2015 at 6:52 pm

        If you’re implying that everyone can live in Texas, you’re wrong. Texas is far too small and doesn’t have nearly enough resources.

      4. Sean Baxer May 22, 2015 at 7:07 pm

        Away from the Gulf, the state is very dry. The further inland, the worse it gets. Much of the state is desert. I know a rancher in West Texas. I visited his place. It takes five acres to raise one head. Five acres to raise a single cow.

      5. Sean Baxer May 22, 2015 at 8:16 pm

        The world’s population in Texas: What a hell on earth that would be. 7.2 B / 268,000 sq mi. Which is about 1,000 sq ft per person. Which is 4,000 sq ft per family, a tiny lot. This doesn’t include room for roads, utility easements, power plants, reservoirs, water/waterwater treatment plants, businesses, schools, parks, and everything else. Not to mention farmland, because a 1,000 sq ft can’t support a human being, even if there is enough water. Which in Texas, there isn’t. Imagine billions of people, agonizing in 105 degree heat, dying of thirst/hunger, and drowning in excrement. You could jump from dead body to dead body, from Houston to El Paso. A cloud of buzzards and flies would hover above the entire state. Yes indeed, what an absolute hell on earth.

    3. spicynujac May 20, 2015 at 11:53 pm

      Just because every person could stand in a physical area doesn’t mean that the quality of life can be maintained as population increases. Yeah, you could gather up 10,000 people and put them all in your local city park, but then what? Soon, people will need to piss and shit, and in a few hours, the park will be reeking of feces and bacteria will begin to fester. Then people will become thirsty, and soon realize that there is not enough fresh water around, even if one filtered water from a small creek passing through the park. Then people will become hungry, and realize there is no meat or dairy, and nothing to eat but the grassy lawn of the park and perhaps a few insects on it. People are so tightly packed together that there is not even room to grow crops to eat, if the people could wait months for this to happen, which of course they cannot. Then soon it will be time to rest, and there will be nothing to protect these people from the elements, collect and safeguard their belongings, etc. I think you see where I am going with this.

      Bastiat’s lesson of the seen and the unseen is important here. For every person you see walking around, think of the acres of land required for growing the food they eat, the water needed to support the meats they buy, the factories and infrastructure needed to produce shelter and clothing, etc.

      Basically there are tradeoffs to an increasing population. At the bare minimum, the prices of scarce resources like land, water, gasoline, heating oil, food, rise when populations and therefore demand, rises for these limited items. At the more dangerous levels, we have things like pathological infections, reduced quality of food supply, depleting natural resources and energy, etc.

      I too was on the individualism train for years, but now see wisdom in a structured society, and the lessons history has taught us. Whether the earth is overpopulated is a matter of opinion. However, there are measurable and real effects on the remaining population when population levels are increased.

  31. mclovin89 May 20, 2015 at 1:08 am

    western culture is spreading like a virus



    getting your car smashed for WINKING and you pay HER for her broken phone



    Look at this feminist lie, Absolutely hiding info and truth on a MAINSTREAM site for their agenda. They focus on female victims even though they are a minority in MOST countries except for 2
    IN case youre wondering no they couldnt lay a finger on her…female privledge

    Even just edited it and in 5 minutes it goes back

  32. Dumb Pollack May 20, 2015 at 8:24 am

    There was a column in National Geographic magazine which did the math back in 2010 (I think) and discovered that a New Year’s Eve party for all 7 billion people with room for each would fit entirely within LA on the ground. I found that believable because when I took a car trip in 1990 from Virginia Beach to Chicago (to check out art school at the Art Insititute) there were hundreds of miles with nothing but wheat. That was when I realized that most experts who worrys about the population bomb had spend their own lives in the cities. They made a classic mistake of projecting their personal experiences onto the world in much the same way the English projected

  33. Master A. Bonafide May 20, 2015 at 9:27 am

    “The universe is not dialectical: it moves toward the extremes, and not toward equilibrium; it is devoted to a radical antagonism, and not to reconciliation or to synthesis.” Baudrillard

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  35. Andrea Ostrov Letania May 20, 2015 at 6:42 pm


    If ‘fat shaming’ doesn’t work because it makes fatso fatkins depressed and eat even more, why would ‘hate shaming’ work? Wouldn’t hate-shamed people just get angrier and hate even more?

    Btw, I think fat-shaming doesn’t get to the point of the issue.

    Paradoxically, Roosh and fat chicks have something in common: the culture of shamelessness and excess.

    Roosh is shameless in his sexual appetites. He wants to bang as many chicks as possible. He feels no shame that he sleeps around all over the world. Instead of finding a nice woman, settling down,and committing himself to family life, his idea of love is humping as many women as possible. He has a huge sexual appetite. He’s male slut. Sluttony is sexual gluttony.

    If Roosh is shameless about his sexual appetite, some women are shameless about their culinary appetites. They want to eat as much as possible because it is so pleasurable. Their sense of pleasure is such that they want to have the cake and eat it too and get five more cakes. They take pleasure from gluttony, and they’ve become shameless about it.

    So, we have sexual sluttony that Roosh stands for, and culinary gluttony that fat chicks stand for.

    Roosh is so into screwing around that he’s given up on meaningful relationships, marriage, and family.

    And fat chicks are so into pigging out that they’ve given up on meaningful weight control and looking good.

    So, in terms of their infantile excess, Roosh and fat chicks have something in common.

    In truth, everything in life gains meaning through a sense of limits and moderation. A man should seek meaningful relationship, find someone to love and commit to, have children, and devote himself to his kids. It’s the Vito Corleone way. Manhood isn’t about how many women you humped. it’s about finding the right woman and loving one’s wife and children and growing into grandfatherhood.

    Likewise, the meaning of eating isn’t only about pleasure. One has to be mindful of how much food one really needs. One doesn’t need all those calories. One needs to find pleasure in things other than food. And one has to favor healthy foods like veggies and meat over sugary junk food.

    The problem is our culture has become shameless and infantilized. Our consumer culture says consume more, consume more. Indulge in hedonism. It subverts all sense of limits. It says excess is good.
    More is more.

    So, we have the likes of Roosh calling on men to hump as many women as possible, and we have food companies urging women to pig out as much as possible.

    Roosh is a Walmart humper, and fat chicks are Walmart eaters.

    Moderation is best.

  36. Alex mail May 21, 2015 at 12:50 am

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    “in a space-limited/resource unlimited environment, the population of
    mice would explode; peak-out and then collapse to extinction. This test
    was replicated several times and it was found that these led to the same
    outcome each time. The reason for this phenomenon was found to derived
    from social decay which worsened with each generation.”

  37. Tony Trucano May 21, 2015 at 7:19 am

    Initially the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly. The last surviving birth was on day 600. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior. Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against. After day 600, the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed “the beautiful ones.” Breeding never resumed and behavior patterns were permanently changed.

    The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population.

    Cite Wiki.

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  41. anon1 May 24, 2015 at 8:03 am

    i agree with this as well. its eerily hilarious how the west (and japan) is neutering itself at a time the third world is profligating in terms of population.

    it’s like balance is somehow in built in us.

  42. Mario J May 25, 2015 at 6:07 pm

    I think you came with really interesting ideas here Roosh. It made me think through a couple of days, and I would like to share a thought on them.

    As stated by Darwin, only the best individuals will be able to adapt to changes, survive, and have descendecy. As you say, the Western “environment” nowadays may be a harsh one. But we still may have men that can provide enough resources / emotional value to a girl (or several) so they can be fathers, and at the same time fill their other needs. I don’t care here if these men would create a family in the traditional terms, or may find other way to do so.

    On this view, players who just seek sex/hedonism for the sake of it through their entire lives won’t have descendency, and they will exctinct at some point. They are not very different from herbivores, in evolutional terms. Only men who are able to get what they need from women, and at the same time are able to emotionally bond with a girl (or several) will be able to see something meaningful in descendency

    It also makes perfect sense with beta males who will do anything to mantain their girlfriends. In this case, although they may manage to have a family, it will be one where the mother is dominant, thus creating even more beta boys who are very prone to fall in unsolved issues with women (i.e. their father is very weak and can’t teach them how to compete with other more capable men, in a tougher new generation).

    I think game /manosphere stuff is very useful to men (like myself at the moment, I recognise) that have “lost” their instincts and truly have swallowed some society rules on how to treat girls when they are not sexually ready. So they need to approach, get rejected and have tons of sex to get things in order again. I’m working on it myself.

    But in the end, I can’t think that this moment of history may be different from anyone else. So the most capable men / most beautiful women will still have a strong desire on reproduction.

    Enough of this for a while. Let’s go to sleep, and tomorrow hit another girl.

    PD: Sorry about my English.

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    1) toothpaste: microcidal chemicals really are overkill when brushing teeth. the physical act of brushing the teeth is what removes/disrupts the plaque layer. the problem people have with brushing their teeth is more related to how LONG they’re brushing (recommended time is 2 minutes, twice a day, to adequately clean all of the surfaces of the teeth, whereas most people brush for 30 seconds at most). regular readers of roosh will appreciate this fact: the least-abrasive thing you can brush your teeth with is… baking soda!

    2) antibiotics: absolutely. abbbbsolutely over-prescribed. holy shit does this piss me off. for instance, my coworker’s two young sons (pre-school brats that make dennis the menace look like a saint) are on long-term ‘low-dose’ antibiotics daily to treat… behavioral issues! see they have these ‘infections’ (despite displaying NONE of the signs of infection) which are causing them to be little monsters from the moment they get up until the moment they fall asleep (physical abuse of others/each-other, attention-deficit-disorder, destruction of property, foul-language). so you can add ‘non-existent/invisible bacterial infections’ on the excuse-list that shitty-parents can use to try to make-up for their lack of supervision/care/discipline of their children. the ‘doctor’ involved needs to have his/her credentials re-evaluated in my opinion.

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  48. TFC August 9, 2015 at 5:54 am

    The author (Roosh) is correct again. However any civilization that supports contraception is in reality serving evil. We are on this earth be fruitful and populate it, not to destroy the populations. The urge to reproduce is natural, the urge to destroy population is evil. The whole concept is quite simple. The greatest of all evil is the lie. The greatest of all good is love. You figure it out.

  49. disqus_2015ScorpioWater August 27, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    People use toothpaste, automobiles, TVs, in the Middle East, Africa, South America, and Asia, what is limiting the population of Western nations is feminism and the modernization of women’s role in society. The old role of women was home maker and to make babies, in most of the non white world this role still remains that is why the population of many of the non white nations continues to skyrocket while the population of Europe, the white population of the USA declines steadily. Look at the Middle East, the average woman there is a baby factory, Asia is the same thing women there are feminine and serve men, South America is the same, Africa is the same.
    Europe has a lot of Muslim immigrants, the stupid fucking Europeans complain the Muslims are taking over, no its their stupid idiot feminist Europeans and their gay faggoty men who no longer make babies, the Muslim immigrants have families and lots of kids so the Muslim population in Europe grows much faster than the white population and that is why one day some European countries will become majority Muslim in 20 to 30 years, I think France will be the first one, Britain and Germany close behind. Western culture is good for controlling the growth of the white race.

  50. pacman7293 September 12, 2015 at 1:11 am

    Civilization feminizes men. If you feminize and domesticate men, you reduce populations. The west is more civilized than any place on Earth, thus lower population. Albeit some places may have weaker men they are less feminized by matriarchy, thus more children.

  51. Ereetreeya March 3, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    Every phenomenon that humans can observe in nature has cycles. Some examples everyone can relate to are waves in the ocean, your heartbeat, inhaling and exhaling, the sun rising and setting, even light itself is a wave. This list goes on forever: Everything is a cycle. Everything has a predictable birth, life, and death. Humans who don’t understand this will continue to moronically debate each other over who is right and who is wrong, trying to naively lay blame and enact “justice” on the perpetrator of crimes that are nothing more than inventions of inherently fallible human-made law. This isn’t just some fucking simplistic discussion about whether toothpaste is beneficial for oral health or not! I know that few can grasp how small they are in the scope of a picture this big.

    Westerners like me have had their time. Yinn is giving way to Yang. Their cycle is coming to a close. Roosh writes about game and other topics, but I’m sure he understands on some level that game and neomasculinity is part of something much bigger that will change the world at its foundations. Something that is ongoing, always present, everywhere, all of the time. So our choice, as Darwin would say, is to adapt (For men: become a strong individual, for women: reject feminism and globalism) or die. The next 7 years are going to be like a roller coaster ride through hell.

  52. Darwin May 12, 2016 at 9:43 am

    Amazing post