I Do Not Disavow Richard Spencer

Richard Spencer, head of the NPI Institute, was attacked by the media in the last week because attendees at his recent weekend conference did a Roman/Hitler salute. This caused a schism in the alt right, where more moderate voices condemned Spencer’s actions and splintered off into a “new right” or “alt light” group. Looking back on the episode with full hindsight, I believe it was a strategic mistake to side with the media and not assist Spencer, no matter how strongly you disagreed with his actions.

If you don’t know who Spencer is, he is a prominent thought-leader of the alt right movement (he coined the term). While there are many definitions of the alt right, purists would describe it as a movement that aims for a white ethno-state. They have been called white supremacists, Nazis, and “real racists” for their belief that the United States (and Europe) should be primarily—if not exclusively—white. One of their arguments against immigration goes along the lines of “Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, but the United States for everybody.”

I inadvertently stumbled onto the alt right after I read The Culture Of Critique by alt right favorite Kevin MacDonald. My review of his book on Return Of Kings got me immediately denounced by the Anti Defamation League, a sign that its contents hit on truths that certain interests want to keep hidden. Not long after I made the review, in the fall of 2015, I was invited to attend NPI’s conference. I was received warmly by many of the attendees, who told me they have successfully used my game advice in the past.

Afterwards, once word got out that I was at NPI, Spencer received criticism from “1488” factions of the alt right for inviting me because I am not white and because I have “defiled” six million white women. Numerous alt right accounts took shots at me on Twitter. As the months went on, I noticed the 1488’ers strongly believed in imposing rules on which race of women white men could sleep with and which race of men white women could sleep with. Their need for sexual control went against the interests of myself and my readers of all races, since it’s not dissimilar to feminism, so I announced a formal split with them in February, even though I was never formally in the alt right. After this divorce, I did not escalate my differences with them because we were on the same anti-establishment path. Elevating our squabble into a war would just aid my enemies.

The detente was successful. We were on a similar wavelength in the run-up to electing Donald Trump, as I shared many of the memes that came out of their platforms. Donald Trump had not advocated for a white ethno-state, but the alt right felt that his immigration policies bring that one step to fruition, while I supported Trump because I believed his policies would be beneficial to heterosexual men, regardless of their race. Trump was elected and different alternative communities rejoiced together in his victory. Then the NPI conference took place in the presence of multiple media outlets. Here is the “highlight” of what the media was able to obtain:

What a beautiful piece of propaganda! It immediately starts with a white man shouting “Hail” to the new President of the United States, whom the media viscerally hates, while a small minority of attendees exuberantly throw up the Roman salute. Even if you are a conservative, you have been programmed to feel revulsion at this display of “Nazism” and immediately condemn it because of its racism. Not long after, the media forced Donald Trump’s hand and he did disavow Spencer. One viral video, one mission accomplished.

Many men I follow did disavow it, starting with Mike Cernovich, who stated that because of what Spencer did at the conference, he was controlled opposition (i.e. an agent of the FBI, Democratic party, or media). Paul Joseph Watson and Stefan Molyneux supported Mike’s decision. First, I must state that I greatly respect Mike as a journalist, narrative “hacker,” and book author. If he is attacked at any point by the establishment, I hope he knows that I have his back. In this case, however, I think he rushed to judgement. In order to separate himself from Spencer and signal against him on Twitter, we allowed the media to put up an easy win on their scoreboard. At the end of the day, the optics of the situation was that those who were previously considered alt right aided the media in forcing Trump’s hand at disavowing an alt right figure.

Let’s imagine a different scenario. When the viral video came out, instead of attack Spencer, we attacked The Atlantic for taking scenes from the conference out of context. We forced them to reveal the truth of attendees being assaulted by violent liberal thugs. We disseminated the truth of the conference far and wide. And most importantly, we defended the right of attendees to put up whatever salute they want as part of their free speech at a private event, even if we find it abhorrent. If we did all this with the same vigor that we attacked the media when helping Trump get elected, what would the result have been? We would have put them on the defense and possibly prevented Trump’s disavowal and damage to all alternative spheres. At the very least, the media would not have gotten an unequivocal win.

Instead, we have given up our own ability to do a Roman salute, even as a joke. The media can now tear down anyone who does it and anything similar, because we did not attack them when they used it to distort Spencer’s conference. In other words, we have voluntarily constricted our behavior, all to marginalize Spencer, a man who is on the leading edge of free speech. If Spencer “got away” with these Roman salutes, they wouldn’t be able to attack us for anything. No rape joke, fat joke, or meme would be extreme compared to it. Our free speech would have expanded if we helped Spencer, but that opportunity is lost. We now get to wait for an energized media to attack us, and it most certainly will be for less than a Roman salute. We gave up ground for no gain to ourselves.

It’s also unfortunate that we are still stuck in the establishment frame of defending ourselves as not being racist. Paul Joseph Watson’s latest video can in fact be summarized as “Democrats are the real racists,” a failed Republican strategy that has not converted even one black man to the party. By attacking Spencer, we are announcing to the world that we are scared of being called a Nazi and racist.

The proper response when the fake news tells you you’re a Nazi is to say “Fuck you.” The proper response to when they call you a racist is “So what?” The proper response when they call you a rapist is to say, “I certainly wouldn’t rape you.” The only way we can take away the power from these terms is to not immediately deny you are one. If a crazy old bag lady approaches you on the subway and loudly says you are a murderer, would you take the time to deny it? No, you would laugh and say, “Get out of my way, you crazy bitch.” This is how we must react when the media confronts us, because if you don’t have a fear of being called a Nazi, racist, or rapist, the power of the media establishment will quickly diminish.

That doesn’t mean that Spencer did not commit an unforced error. We have to agree that Spencer’s decision to let in the media and frame the conference any way they saw fit was a considerable mistake, but not one I will eternally hold against him. He is not an establishment talking head that has been “groomed” to be good with the media, and his first major interview was less than a month ago. I was a media newbie too. I got shellacked when I went on Dr. Oz and got embarrassed by the Daily Mail when they showed up to my parents house until I finally understood the game and humiliated the media myself in a press conference. I’m sure I will make a mistake in the future, since I am not a media professional who does interviews every month, and I hope my allies don’t disavow me because of it.

After Spencer’s gaffe, I’m seeing a lot of messages online that the alt right “brand” is done for, and that their movement is dead. Back in February, I said their movement has peaked, but I underestimated them, and those today saying the alt right is dead are also wrong. They will lick their wounds and get stronger, because they don’t need the media and they don’t need Trump. Their sales pitch of “America will be better with only white people” is too seductive for marginalized white men to resist, and in spite of their obsession with race, there is intellect and truth-telling underneath it. They have blind spots, but they have fewer blind spots than other movements, and for that reason I think they will have sizeable cultural influence in the next five years for men who want an external fix to their problems instead of an internal one like I aim to provide. The Spencer debacle is a painful but necessary teaching moment for them.

Now that the schism has taken place, men like Mike Cernovich, Paul Joseph Watson, and Stefan Molyneux have a clear path to the top as part of their “new right” platform. There is no Nazi taint to hold them back. Within a couple years time, as long as their output is consistent, they will have a massive bullhorn to reach millions of conservatives. It will be fascinating to watch these men become the “new mainstream” as the old media order fades away.

As for me, I will stay focused on the individual man. Whatever politics of the day serves the interests of masculine men will be the politics I preach. That includes them being able to say and do whatever they want as long as it’s not against the law. For that reason, I will not be making disavowals of anyone, no matter how reprehensible their speech, because I will not help my true enemy, the establishment, attack my neighbor. We must not lose sight that Spencer is not our enemy, not yet anyway, and to proceed accordingly.

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Thursday1
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He was playing around with Nazi imagery throughout the speech. No matter how you try to spin it, playing around with Nazi imagery is a boneheaded move.

Would I still have a beer with Richard Spencer? Sure. The media are blowing this wildly out of proportion.

Would I defend him publicly against charges of being a Nazi? Yup. I see no evidence he’s in favour of Naziism.

Would I support him as a viable face for the alt right movement? Nope. It isn’t enough that good be done, it must be seen to be done.

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Having pride in your identity, with ethnicity being a big part of that, if you’re White, is basically being a Nazi today. Its a cartoon, that has been carefully constructed so that we can’t go anywhere near having a strong identity, even if the things we want are things that other groups already have and don’t think twice about, let alone have agonising guilt over. We need to shed this tabboo, I’m a Nazi, if you’ll have a drink with Spencer you’re a Nazi, let’s all just have a bloody Sieg Heil every now and then for God’s sake.

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Just because they call you a Nazi, doesn’t mean you should start embracing actual Naziism, even ironically.

Behold the mind of a moron.

MikeP
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Lol, for real. The Nazis lasted like 12 years and European history is how long? ahaha

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we were all embracing nazi imagery from day one. not one single thing changed other than our fucking side deciding to now virtu signal.

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I am curious, what nazi imagery did you personally embrace ? What “we” are you referring to ? I’ve really never heard much serious nazi embracing, nobody needs a safe place but in my experience people are generally knowledgable enough at least American history to understand the significance of individual freedoms, this seems to be a very intrinsic part of the backlash against globalism.

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i embraced the most dank of memes, my nigga. ovens, the gates of auschwitz, hitler smiling etc. the npi stuff wasn’t “serious” either. that’s why everyone who disavows it must be disavowed. too many fat pussies sink ships

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Well duh, Richard spencer IS a Nazi and racist.

Racist: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Nazism: Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and Social Darwinism, identifying Germans as part of what Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a homogeneous society, unified on the basis of “racial purity” (Volksgemeinschaft).

What the fuck is this Roosh thing talking about? Is he really this stupid or trying to get more clicks? hmmm

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why are you talking like a fag?

Baby Shoes
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Cause he is one and probably a Jew so that’s why he’s against White Nationalists.

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Nazi chicks are hot evidently.

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I really can’t tell the difference between the rhetoric of people like Russel Kirk and that of Adolf Hitler tbh. This is the whole problem with ‘conservatism’ in modernity. It’s variously filled with a lot of rhetoric that is only present to be the reflexive opposite of the media caricature of “Nazism” which makes the whole thing incoherent as these elements are mutually exclusive with others, or it’s filled with a bunch of lying and deflection about how every unpopular historical figure was actually a Leftist.

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I’d rather live with “Nazis” than blacks.
Does that make me bad?
Or honest?

Steve H
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A Nazi is always a moron and a loser. A black man can be anything from nigger, to being my friend.

Craig B.
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Virtue-signaling lemming..

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I gain nothing by making this statement. I could give a shit what anyone thinks. But modern day nazis are just societal losers. My father and uncle fought against the real Nazis. Fortunately, they beat the crap out of them.

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You father and uncle fought for the right of Jews to take over Hollywood and universities and start White Genocide. Nothing to be proud of.

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Hot tip for you, you ignorant turd eating douche:

99% of the “jews” in Hollywood and Academia have only their ancestors connections to Judaism.

And Judaism has nothing to do with “White Genocide”.

But if you’re willing kill them over their genetics, you’re an asshole who needs to be put down like a rabid dog.

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If their ethnicity means nothing to them, then how do they control the place so thoroughly? It’s a fluke of luck? Come on. They hire and promote each other in an informal cartel.

Killing them is extreme, and exposes your violent nature, you psycho. I just want to name them and shame them, then boycott their products and fight against their plans.

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Absolutely true

Baby Shoes
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You lie.

Lonesome Whistle
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I’d rather live with neither.

Right now black “culture” is simply BULLSHIT.

But Nazism plans for the EXTERMINATION of people based on their GENES.

Communism plans for the EXTERMINATION of people based their politics.

Jihadism plans for the the EXTERMINATION of people based their faith.

If you sign up with any of those groups, get a toe tag, cause I’ll kill any of those people over their PLANS before I let them kill me over MY GENES, MY POLITICS or MY FAITH.

Craig B.
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Only exterminationists believe in those fake “Nazi” stories. Zero forensic evidence to support them.

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“only way to truly save the European people is to ditch the Judeo-Christian thing altogether and return to our organic, Pagan roots.”

Hitler circle jerking Norse ball washer. Btw maybe you’ll see the proof of the Nazis past with a third eye.

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No… While you definitely have a point it is being exaggerated. The arguments against globalism and tyranny seem pretty “self evident” and cohesive. The whole nazi thing is a distraction. There are paid trolls everywhere, especially when people are over confident. Movments, especially grass roots ones are not squashed, they are co opted and their messages deliberately muddled.

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It’s time to reframe the conflict. Liberals=Leftists=Communists=Stalinists=Gulag. Anti-Communism needs a revival, its needed now more than ever. I had professors in the past who were communists and Marxists, imagine a self-identified Nazi professors lasting even one hour on the job. It’s easy to forget (and for the left to try to bury) that Hitler and Stalin were allies for two years, there would have been no Holocaust without Stalin’s help. Today’s leftists are the direct descendants of yesterday’s red diaper communists.

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How many wars do you people have to lose before you STFU?

Nick
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Join your communist buddies in Berkley “Lucien”. Bring something stronger than pepper spray and sticks though.

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Well, it is not their fault, you know. Being ignorant and stupid, they don’t know what the Nazi has done in the 1940’s, they never saw the pictures, they think the Nazi is that skullface guy who fights Capitan America in marvel comics

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Yes, White western male = Nazi. If they on the ALT-LEFT want to attack me and WASPy Males with the label, then let it be so. But, I’ll shame them by making them define something they know little to nothing about. It’s akin to kindergartners calling people they don’t like “poopy heads.”

As the intellectual toddlers grow into adult bodies, they fail to mature their minds along the way, and use the same elementary school name-calling to shame anyone they hate, anyone who represents a threat to their ideology.

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What does it mean ” having pride in your identity”? What identity? Just because I am fucking white? Who gives a shit? Only an astonishingly immature idiot would be “proud” because of something so irrelevant. It is like saying that I am proud because I have two eyes and an asshole. This “supremacists” shit is just another word for racism. Nazism, anti semitism, etc, it is all the same disease for idiots. The same virus that feeds 4 similar diseases. I don’t care if you call yourself Nazi, anti semitic, racist, or white supremacist, the only thing I can say is, you have the mind of a complete idiot, because idiots do not use logic. Or either, they use a diseased logic. You are basically saying, if you are a white supremacist, and then you look at two serial killers, one white,and the other black, the white one to you stands out more because he has a different “identity”, and why don’t you just say it, the white one is at least somewhat better.

You aren’t looking at the individual, or what kind of person they are, but whether they are white or not. Epictetus basically said that only idiots judge by “externals”. Schopenhauer said the same thing.

So, you are basically an idiot, that is the relevant ” identity”. And you are even proud of it?

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Because race is real.

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Saying you can’t be proud of your European heritage is like saying you can’t be proud of your grandfather. You can’t be proud of your family, or country.

Culture is an innate expression of race. Whites must remain a majority in the U.S. or the U.S. will cease to be civilized.

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“White” is not a race. I’m sorry to break this to you.

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Yes it is.

jz95
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No it’s not.
Europeans are Caucasian. They are distinct from other Caucasoid groups such as Arabs and Indians, but they are still similar enough to one another to all be classified as Caucasian.

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Doesn’t matter if you believe in Whiteness. The people who want to genocide you certainly do view you as White.

“Fucking White People! Let’s kill ’em all!”
Later: “White is not a race!”

Sorry Schlomo, you fool no one. It’s easier to kill us if we think we aren’t a group capable of resisting.

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Do you actually have any sort of comeback that doesn’t involve calling someone a Jew?
If “Jews” are stopping you from having white children, then that’s pathetic.

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Only anyone with access to to the Internet can see he is a racist and Nazi.

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He’s not a Nazi. As for being a racist, well whatever that means anymore.

I see we have another kind of moron here.

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Racist: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Nazism: Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and Social Darwinism, identifying Germans as part of what Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a homogeneous society, unified on the basis of “racial purity” (Volksgemeinschaft).

It seems you’re the only moron here

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Lol, meanings of words can change. Everything and their rat is racist now, so your definition is out of date. Moron.

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it’s very clear that whites are superior to blacks, by a large margin on average, in terms of building and maintaining great civilizations.

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Would it matter if whites were inferior? Whites still have a right to existence. They still have a right to defend themselves from invasion.

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Of course you are correct he is of white ethnicity, blue eyes, has a sharp haircut, and a natty suit. Hugo Boss perhaps? Must be a Nazi…. he got a time machine too…..

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Nazis were sharp dressers to. Other than the socialized medicine and stuffing people in an oven, would it have been horrible if they won?

But Spencer is not a Nazi.

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Do you only focus on the material results of an action and not on the moral costs? Do you believe ends justify any means?

If the shoe was on the other foot, and I would materially benefit from devastating your people, do you really believe it would be moral and human for me to do so?

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Depending on who “your people” are, then yes. Once again, depending on who “your people” are they may in fact already be balls deep into devastating my people.

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If you cant see the difference between the current damage being done to your people and outright murder then there is not much we can discuss.

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I don’t understand your point. Murder is a pretty specific thing…

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Well, I guess the difference is between being actively hunted down to being convinced to commit suicide. But the truth is, I’m kind of tired of the whole argument.

I mean this society we live in is so shitty, that the other day a friend of mine told me he just saw info on how some american warships were attacked by russian planes of the Israeli coast – all false news, but I was convinced it was real because this friend usually gives 100% accurate info, and I simply shrugged and said “yeah whatever”. that is, I had reason to believe WW3 started, I live in a targeted area, and I just didn’t care.

Maybe it’s just my life in particular that sucks, or maybe I am just a misfit. I’m sure if WWIII broke out tomorrow most people would be upset, but me, I know I wouldn’t care very much. I’d be sort of sad for everyone else, because I have a strong sense of justice and compassion, but it’s not like I’m sitting here happy with what was is going on around me.

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I know. I was being facetious…..

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He was “playing around with Nazi imagery” – said the cuck

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Think what you want, moron.

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“He was playing around with Nazi imagery”. OK, even assuming he was “playing”, what idiot would do that? What would you do if you saw someone going around smiling and saying “I love Albert Fish”? Let me put not another way, idiot. Feminists and “social justice warriors” are just ignorant and stupid like you. These idiots didn’t kill anyone. But Nazism, racism and fascism have a proven, historical track of the worst physical and abusive crimes ever committed to other people. Do you understand that, you idiots? If you are a social justice warrior etc, you are an idiot, but if you are a Nazi (and white supremacism is a member of the same family of diseases), then there is something very wrong with you. Other idiots say that sick people on welfare are parasites, but the real parasites are the idiots fueled by dangerous hatred. Roosh is making an idiot of himself too. One thing is to say that women have this or that faults and mentioning examples of the stupid shit they do. This is not hatred. White subdcbnjbtghcbnvmplies that it is nice that people like Hitler and his assholes, or the Ku Klux Klan and other assholes like them, exist. Free speech isn’t an excuse for dangerous propaganda and hate speeches. Grow up, assholes. Learn some history and read biographies of people whose families have been wiped out by some nincompoops who said their race is good and others bad. What if it had been your sister or your family, idiots. What if you had been a Jew in a concentration camp, or a Russian in Siberian concentration camps, or someone sold as a slave, idiots. Grow the fuck up and learn something, ignoramuses

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You believe it was a strategic mistake? Lol, this coming from a guy who didn’t think it was a big deal to write/joke about rape (autism). Richard Spencer is an idiot and anyone with brains would get as far away from him as possible.

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Do you not see how this would result in a constant game of running away and disavowing? It never ends. And your free speech gets further constrained. If you want to keep your free speech, you have to defend it even from “idiots”.

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If you actually read/listen to what Richard Spencer has to says, he is indeed a Nazi and racist. He says Europeans are the best while banging Asian women (https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/comments/5epaq2/why_are_half_asians_hapas_so_crazy/). How exactly is he NOT a racist again?

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Most likely, Roosh and his Muslim family will be deported by the Trump administration. (Remember the ban on Muslims?)

Roosh’s US passport will be confiscated, so he’ll have trouble traveling and banging women. He will instead have to hang out stateless.

When that happens, I think your concerns about Roosh’s indifferent attitude Richard Spencer will prove prescient.

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Why is it any concern of yours if I get deported? It’s clear you are trying to “scare” me into diaavowing Spencer, but I know that if I do, I will be attacked by the establishment well before the alt right attacks me.

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Since when do you make decisions based on who will “attack” you? Reality check: people (except rabid feminists) don’t give a damn what you do.

I’d just like you to see you defend racists who *do* disavow you based on your Armenian/Iranian heritage.

Just like how you supported Trump, though your Muslim parents might have been appalled by how Trump treated the Khan family.

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Both of my parents voted for Trump.

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I guess then they won’t complain when they get deported back to Iran/Armenia/Turkey.

Americans and Europeans are getting tired of “the Muslim horde” such as your family and the Syrian refugees anyway.

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No one is deporting anyone. Don’t give in to hysteria.

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Or maybe, Trump is just the supreme master troller and manipulator, and has no intentions of deporting anyone? Maybe he just said what he thought would get him the votes and make him president, and it worked?

Let’s stop with the hysteria. He’s already backed off of that and most all of his extreme views, including building a wall, locking up Clinton, repealing the Affordable Care Act, etc.

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I guess your posts are proof that whites are not more intelligent than most other peoples. Roosh is just acting in a rational way. Support regulation and a return to sane immigration policies now (along with deportation of undesirables) or face civil strife later. Which part don’t you understand?

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What was so bad about Trumps treatment of the Khan family? Oh Hillary used their dead son to make a political point…. sorry I forgot…..

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I see you’re just another cuck buying into the presstitute lies. Trump never attacked the Khan family and never said to deport all Muslims.

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How exactly did the media attack this retard for being the racist/Nazi that he is? Are you saying he’s not a racist/Nazi? Do you even know what those words mean? :0

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Yes Nazi is a term used to denote ones membership of the National Socialist party which ruled Germany between 1933 and 1945. Has Spencer gone back in time?

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Let me guess, you’re an ESL student right? in the context the word was who used it means one who advocates Nazism.

Nazism (or National Socialism; German: Nationalsozialismus) is a set of political beliefs associated with the Nazi Party of Germany. It started in the 1920s. The Party gained power in 1933, starting the Third Reich. They lasted in Germany until 1945, at the end of World War II.

Many scholars think Nazism was a form of far-right politics. Nazism is a form of fascism and uses biological racism and antisemitism. Much of the philosophy of this movement was based on an idea that the “Aryan race”, the term they used for what we today call Germanic people, was better than all other races, and had the greatest ability to survive. According to the racist ideas of Nazism, the Germanic peoples were the Herrenvolk (master race). The “inferior” races – the Jews, Roma people, Slavs, and blacks – were classified as Untermenschen (sub-humans).

To implement the racist ideas, in 1935 the Nuremberg Race Laws banned non-Aryans and political opponents of the Nazis from the civil-service. They also forbid any sexual contact between “Aryan” and “non-Aryan” people.

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Nope no ESL student. I just know my history. Didn’t have to look it up either. Well done copy paste addict. Another triumph. Link is here:

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

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Northern European peoples do build the greatest civilizations. No Latin American or African country will ever come close to achieving the level of prosperity and peace comparable to Finland.

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Why are you so keen on defending people who hate you and don’t believe you belong in the country? That you’re a stain on Western civilization?

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That’s BS. Even Adolf Hitler allied with people of color because they had common enemies which they correctly perceived as far more powerful.

Besides, how does your point prove anything wrong ? It obviously does not. It doesn’t make Roosh’s own case for more tribalist thinking least bit false.

To make irony even greater, he is an exile in ethnically homogeneous societies for some time. Even foreigners feel relief there.

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“How exactly is he NOT a racist again?”
So What.
Fuck You.
And for good measure. . . you’re a sniveling faggot!!!

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Racist? That terms is so overused, who knows. He is at least a racialist, believing that there are inherent differences in various races. To me, that is pretty hard to disprove. He also doesn’t believe in genociding anyone, and has said he wants Africans to embrace and celebrate their Africanism, Asians their Asian heritage, etc. And yes, Europeans like him to embrace their European heritage. Which is something that cannot be done today in America outside of perhaps St Patrick’s day.

What is the point, other than name calling? And why do you care who he bangs? I can have opinions or even hold stereotypes about different groups while still visiting, eating their food, or banging their women.

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Racist: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Nazism: Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and Social Darwinism, identifying Germans as part of what Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a homogeneous society, unified on the basis of “racial purity” (Volksgemeinschaft).

Racialist? it seems you don’t know much about biology. Anyway, I already covered this.

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We all have dictionaries, or rapid access to them. Are you claiming Spencer is a racist? That he believes his race is superior? I didn’t watch the whole speech, but enough to hear him say that Asians are actually “superior” than whites by many metrics.

By that definition of racist, I’m a racist. I’m a white guy and I believe that, on the whole, black men are physically superior to white men. Why else do they almost always win the Olympic sprint events? The superior diet and training facilities that Africa offers?

Calling someone a Nazi today is pretty meaningless. Does that mean they have white pride? That they want to murder Jews? That they believe in national socialism? That they are occultists? That they are strict and like to dress in sharp uniforms? That they are skinheads? A lot of people are called Nazis that are not Aryan, don’t believe in social Darwinism, etc. And the Nazi party hasn’t existed during the life of all but a handful of people left on this planet. It doesn’t accurately describe modern beliefs, even extreme ones. I doubt David Duke, or even someone more violent or extreme than him would use that word to summarize their beliefs. It’s a vague word, and conveys little to the conversation.

No one cares what I do or don’t know about biology. Make a point that’s interesting to the readership here, or move along.

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Lol, you don’t have to watch his conference videos to know where his ideology is coming from… Einstein. He’s got a website and follows a standard script. His aim is to take a more highbrow approach to white supremacism, couching white nationalist arguments as academic commentary on black inferiority, the immigration threat to whites and other racial issues. Asians are regraded as uncreative bitches but useful servants.

Africa has much higher genetic diversity than anywhere else in the world. That means, for example, an Italian and an Eskimo can be more genetically similar than two people in Africa living only a few hundred miles away. Black Americans are pretty much a of mix of hundreds of tribes. Giving them as higher percent of athleticism. Does that mean all people with black skin are superior to all people with white skin? Nope. Just watch the UFC.

Calling someone a Nazi lets you summarize their idiocy and move on. It means white pride, murder Jews and overall idiocy.

http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/greek-philosophers-african-tribes1.htm

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Deleted; don’t feed trolls.

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You fail to recognize the fact that his racism is secondary to everyone’s freedom of speech. Michael, you have breasts and can’t understand that simple point.

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The point is that it doesn’t matter what Spencer is or isn’t. The facts are that he coined the terms “alt right” and that there’s no need to disavow him, since doing so only plays into communist plans. This is not an exaggeration.

I used to think Trump made a mistake not doing more to disavow Nazis. Then after reading his interview with NYT and responding to a question about Nazis with “boy, you are really into this stuff huh,” I realized that he was right all along. It doesn’t matter. It’s the left that makes mountains out of molehills, be it Nazis or gays or ethnic minorities or whatever. They do this specifically to destroy the opposition, while distracting thinking, working people from their own agenda. It’s deceit and it’s the most powerful weapon they have. In the communist countries they’ve used ideological nonconformity to slaughter millions of upstanding people. They target a small minority of the opposition at any given time, to show everyone else “well you’re not one of THOSE people are you?”

So when the MSM asks Trump or anyone else these sorts of loaded questions, they are trying to frame the conversation so that they can either destroy or control him through having him declare conformity and thus become accountable for future behavior. Left or right doesn’t matter. Leftists who haven’t bellyfeeled the prevailing political winds meet the same treatment, just ask the leftist professors who failed to realize that respecting “safe spaces” was the new progressive mass line.

From Russia to China and now the US and Europe, the leftist poison is identical.

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This guy made a silly tactical error but we need to stick to the larger strategy. The alt-sphere just won itself a bunch of new territory and Spencer stood up to try to be one of its leaders. He showed his judgment for such a role is lacking but no need to over-react. People right now are still ecstatic from victory yet nervous it will somehow be taken away. Time for people to start calming down; there’s much to be done.

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Yup, no need to disavow him as a person, but he has shown bad judgment as a leader.

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What was the tactical error? Using the word “Hail?” He didn’t say “Heil” by the way. He’s supposed to control how his audience responds to his words?

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If you believe in free speech, Roosh, why did you ban Tom Arrow from ROK?

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To say that disavowing anything a member of a side you identify with does is to “give in” to the enemy is both bad reasoning and impractical.

That is the sort of reasoning that the moderate democrats indulged in during the past election with the obnoxious behavior of the SJWs and it cost them dearly.

Furthermore, what Richard did is the equivalent of what Julien Blanc did with the infamous “japanese video”. I draw your attention to what you yourself said in response to his actions. (emphasis mine)

http://www.rooshv.com/real-social-dynamics-monumental-failure-against-the-sjw-mob

There is no way RSD could have formulated and refined their socially autistic game tenets had they not simply read the news on the progress SJW’s and those on the extreme left were making in their war against men. Game cannot exist in isolation from the culture it operates in. It cannot encourage men to do whatever they want. We must always be asking two things:

1. What are the cultural reasons for why a certain game tactic is effective or not?

2. What game behaviors should be avoided because of local sensitivities, moral reasons, or due to the legal code?

I support Richard Spencer’s right to engage in obnoxious behavior. If anything, he was far less obnoxious then the so-called anti-fascists, in that he did not engage in violent or criminal activity. I acknowledge that and respect it. At the same time that does not absolve him of the social consequences of said behavior or from legitimate criticism.

Freedom of speech means freedom from government coercion to curtail one’s speech, it does not mean freedom from other people’s non-violent and legal reactions in response to one’s speech.

The reality is that there is terrible history associated with the imagery and gestures Richard Spencer was invoking. Thanks to that history, for five generations ethnic/cultural nationalism has been considered a dirty word, an entire country has had to deal with a great deal of humiliation, another ethnic group was utterly devastated in addition to the terrible suffering of many innocents, the world was destabilized, and as icing on the cake, the Marxists were free to run amok and butcher a quarter of a billion people. All of which could have been avoided completely.

In other words, there is actual reason for concern when someone invokes that imagery.

I am not white, I support white pride, I support white culture, I support white majority in countries where they are the traditional majority. I support these things because it is human and decent to allow people to manage their own affairs and decide their own fate.

However, there is a world of difference between Ethnic Nationalism and Ethnic Supremacism. If Richard is of the former as opposed to the latter, he had an moral obligation to make sure not to act in ways that were misunderstood. As it was, his cutesy manner of doing a Seig Heil while pretending to give a toast undermined that completely.

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Spencer is probably the most widely criticized person on the Alt-Right by the Alt-Right because he has some idiosyncratic and contentious views that are very SWPLy and not sympatico with the working class, conservative base. No one is saying no criticism, but what is happening isn’t criticism of Spencer in particular but a denunciation of everything he represents so as to distance oneself from accusations of racism by the media. Or more accurately to avoid being banned from Twitter by disassociating from an official Twitter unperson.

It’s cucking plain and simple. No one even vaguely on the right should be kowtowing to anyone on the Left even to denounce the American Nazi Party or Satan himself. If you can’t disallow them from acting as a moral authority then you can’t win. To any degree that Spencer is literally Hitler (not much) then the Atlantic is literally Stalin to a much greater degree. Your only response should be that you’ll look into NPI after you’ve seen 100 years of news coverage looking to defame and villify the Leftist radicals who are factually promoting violence which is actually getting people maimed, raped and killed in real life right now, and who are justifying the use of political violence on mainstream news sites.

And how about we blame the actual perpetrators for their crimes? You have the arrow causation reversed. The Nazis existed because of Communism, of which there was a revolution in Bavaria after WWI in which many thousands of Germans were murdered for being too goyische to bear essentially which is why you get a group of people with right-wing values saying to themselves and each other that what is going on in the world right now isn’t just politics as usual.

Criticize Spencer all you want. If you actually followed any Alt-Right platform you’d see that half of the Alt-Right is no fan of his, but not because he disallows us to curry favor with Leftists. The ‘scandal’ isn’t about a critique though. It’s about ‘new media’ acting exactly like and aiding the old media probably because going forward Twitter et cetera is going to control their content.

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I do not see a denunciation of Spencers’ actions as a disavowal of legitimate expression of ethnic self interest. I see it as a disavowar of conflating that self interest with the symobolism of a monstrous ideology.

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But that’s incorrect. Cernovich et al’s “New Right” brand is explicitly anti-racist and explicitly disavowed white nationalism. PJW has already cemented his narrative that all of Trump’s Internet activism was carried out by non-white homosexuals and /pol/, Alt-Right blogosphere et cetera have no presence and are a parasite on his rainbow coalition.

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No…. Never support their screeching. They may indeed have a point, that’s not my concern. Movements aren’t destroyed, they are co opted.

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I would have put it differently, that you should not accept their tactics of dehumanization.

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I think that you’re a sjw Mike. I I am
Just going to come out and say it. You obviously have a lot of brains though.

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Very solid Roosh. The whole point is being committed to disregarding media, their lies, and their agitation. We don’t care. Hell, we even started having our own media.

Yes indeed, great opportunity was missed to do one simple thing – to say “We don’t care”. Go home media, you are over.

They are liars and the fathers of it.

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I’m not yet clear on what Richard Spencer really represents but at this point I’m not ready to judge him. So many people are freaking out that Nazis are emerging everywhere but I think it’s too soon to jump to this conclusion. If he is a leader creating a rallying call to white-identity, then I can’t really hate the guy because I think there are justifiable reasons that this is happening. I feel similarly about Jared Taylor and even RamZPaul.

I think the big rush we’re seeing of “Alt-Right” movements is just indicative of the fact that white-identity has been so brutally deconstructed and bashed the last half-century (and very openly the last 10 years) that the expression of white pride appears unusual and frightening. I definitely don’t think Spencer using the Nazi salute at his rally was a wise thing to do, but what’s done is done. If anything it is sad that the Nazi salute is the only culturally specific white-rallying call they can even think of.

When you combine all the factors (European economic crisis, European refugee crisis, European demographic crisis, demographic shifts in the US, realization of globalist interests, liberal academics dominating the university narrative with talk of “white male privilege”, white men being the center of historical criticism when any serious interpretation of history shows that the will to power is universal, etc.) it really should not be surprising that white Europeans want to re-assert themselves.

I think what a lot of outsiders don’t understand is that whites are actually feeling a sense of existential threat combined with an absolute lack of external sympathy. Other groups have real grievances too and deserve to be helped if possible but at the base level no one contests that Africa is for the Africans and Asia is for the Asians. Apparently everyone thinks multiculturalism is a good thing for Western countries, but who here has ever heard a public representative answer the direct question of whether they are comfortable with their race potentially being wiped and forgotten from the face of the Earth?

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Lol, no you silly Neanderthal. Only a small number of dumb, uneducated stupid whites are feeling an existential threat. And rightly so, they ARE not needed anymore. Most people recognize that it is rich vs. poor. You see, as the colonies passed their hundredth year and went into the middle of the 1700s, as the gap between rich and poor widened, as violence and the threat of violence increased, the problem of control became more serious. It was the potential combination of poor whites and blacks that caused the most fear among the wealthy white planters. The answer to the problem, obvious if unspoken and only gradually recognized, was racism, to separate dangerous free whites from dangerous black slaves by a screen of racial contempt.

They forced landless whites to move westward to the frontier, there to encounter the Indians and to be a buffer for the seaboard rich against Indian troubles. Better to make war on the Indian, gain the support of the white, divert possible class conflict by turning poor whites against Indians for the security of the elite.

There was still another control which became handy as the colonies grew, and which had crucial consequences for the continued rule of the elite throughout American history. Along with the very rich and the very poor, there developed a white middle class of small planters, independent farmers, city artisans, who, given small rewards for joining forces with merchants and planters, would be a solid buffer against black slaves, frontier Indians, and very poor whites.

The growing cities generated more skilled workers, and the governments cultivated the support of white mechanics by protecting them from the competition of both slaves and free blacks. Middle-class Americans might be invited to join a new elite by attacks against the corruption of the established rich. The New Yorker Cadwallader Golden, in his Address to the Freeholders in 1747, attacked the wealthy as tax dodgers unconcerned with the welfare of others (although he himself was wealthy) and spoke for the honesty and dependability of “the midling rank of mankind” in whom citizens could best trust “our liberty & Property.” This was to become a critically important rhetorical device for the rule of the few, who would speak to the many of “our” liberty, “our” property, “our” country.

As Richard Hofstadter said: “It was … a middle-class society governed for the most part by its upper classes.” Those upper classes, to rule, needed to make concessions to the middle class, without damage to their own wealth or power, at the expense of slaves, Indians, and poor whites. This bought loyalty. And to bind that loyalty with something more powerful even than material advantage, the ruling group found, in the 1760s and 1770s, a wonderfully useful device. That device was the language of liberty and equality, which could unite just enough whites to fight a Revolution against England, without ending either slavery or inequality.

These days the neo-elites (new comers and greedy people in general), having forgotten their forbearer’s hard fought lessons of why they cultivated a buffering middle class, and are now facing a potential class warfare directly caused by income inequalities so great they can not be obscured by the distractions and illusions of political power in votes and an “American dream” (or whatever dream of a happy life they foster under some name).

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I think I missed the central point of your post?
That whites shouldn’t care if they are exterminated because it’s really about rich vs. poor?
I think what you’re saying is that race is a social construction and is irrelevant, all that matters is material wealth.
I’m not sure if I’m on board with that.

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It’s always been about rich vs. poor. The white middle class is being replaced by robots/AI and a lot of people are upset about that. If America were all white, guess what, that wouldn’t change anything. These uneducated fools like Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor and RamZPaul are just distractions and idiots wasting air. First off, there is no white race to exterminate. The classification of humans into groups based on incidence and prevalence of phenotypical traits (the statistical probability of the geographical origins of your ancestors) as evidence of “race” is dated nonsense. Every phenotype exists in every “race”. All humans have pretty much the same set of genes. But different populations have different proportions of each phenotype. For example, the genes related to dark hair are present in a very high rate in the Asian populations–which includes native americans–but in a much lower rate in European populations, but still there. The genes that account for racial differences (skin, hair, eye color, etc.) number only a few. That’s less than a dozen out of the thousands of genes that can vary between one human and the next. That means that, while two people can both have the same color of skin, hair, and eyes, and look very similar, that similarity is only superficial. They may actually be more genetically different from each other than they are from a person of a different “race”. Human variation lies on a continuum, it can’t be partitioned into discrete groups because there is much more genetic variation within local groups than there is among “races” themselves.

Yet, stupid people still clings to the false assumption concerning the nature of human variation–that is that we can be unambiguously assigned to a “race” on the basis of selected anatomical traits. In fact, when we look at specific individuals, we often run into difficulty trying to categorize them. For example, on the basis of skin color, we might put them into one “race” and on the basis of nose shape, body form, or blood type, they might go into others. The typological model (created 200 years ago) usually leads low IQ people to wrongly assume that the people within any “race” are genetically and anatomically more alike than they are like people from other “races.” This all depends on the traits that are being compared. For instance, many Americans believe that people of African descent have broad noses. In fact, both the widest and the narrowest noses are found among the people of that continent.

Another major problem with the typological model is that the number of “races” you end up with depends on the number and kinds of traits employed in the classification. The more traits used, the fewer people in the world there are who share them. For example, light skin color is considered to be a defining characteristic of Europeans. However, when you add the criteria of narrow noses, straight hair, and tall stature, many Europeans would be excluded altogether or the European racial category would have to be further subdivided into several smaller “races.” Since the number of “races” can be so easily changed by the way they are defined, it is clear that they do not really exist as distinct biological groupings of people. Instead, they are arbitrary creations that reflect our ethnocentric views of ourselves and other people. They are mainly cultural rather than biological groupings.

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Nah I don’t buy it. We’re not bacteria that just make copies of ourselves. There is so much empirical evidence out there that shows that heredity plays as much a role as experience in things like personality and IQ.

I think you’re dismissing this too fast in your rush towards socioeconomic equilibrium. We can be for helping people out of poverty and eliminating corruption without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Do what you want man, but I’m proud of my Italian ethnic heritage, and I hope you are proud of where you came from as well. You telling me that we’re all exactly the same sounds like lazy thinking. I believe race plays a role in our experience as human beings and until I am absolutely convinced that race is completely meaningless, I think it’s too precious a thing to just eliminate because some wealthy international bankers and sheltered academics think it doesn’t fit into their interests.

And even if it is purely cosmetic as you say, I think Europeans are good looking as they are.

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This guy just makes statements then copies and pastes to back up his utterances. Can’t take someone like this seriously.

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Please, don‘t reply to fat people.

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Actually, Clark, the only purpose in life is to survive and reproduce. In that case, we are just bacteria that makes copies of ourselves.

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“Ourselves” though. Not interchangeable units. This represents the lowest for of survival.

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Please, ignore fat people.

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You both make good points, I’ll admit. I will not deny that there is an intense anti-white (especially anti-white male) agenda out there, and that people of western European descent are shamed for having pride in their cultures and histories. However, Mike also brings up truth. There is no “white race,” first of all, and even if there were, Europeans are far from a homogeneous group. Second of all, he is correct in the sense that technology is simply making us all obsolete. If the technology continues to advance at its current rate, the working class (white and non-white) will simply no longer be needed.

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Computers did not make secretaries irrelevant, it simply allowed them to do more. Bulldozers and mechanical cranes don’t make construction workers irrelevant, it allows them to do more than they could have done when they only worked with shovels and pulleys.

The most important technology is the technology of Integrity. The willingness to respect the rights of other men and to live in harmony with them. The society that manages that succeeds regardless of whatever other technological achievements it has.

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The problem is, now we are increasingly reaching the point where the technology no longer needs human operators. When the technology is capable of functioning independently of humans, a large part of the human workforce, regardless of race, will find themselves obsolete.

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Bingo! Richard Spencer’s feeble attempts to revive a white nationalist narrative will go only so far before it falls flat.
http://omegaleague.com/omega-league-a-radical-transhumanist-vision/

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I recognize that he is making a good point.
I just think that leftist ideologies are too hasty with their renunciation of race as an important aspect of human life (even though they seem to be obsessed with it). I think this kind of deconstructionist mindset if left unchecked can be dangerous in its own right. How far does one take this line of thinking?

If having a race to identify with, which is indicative on a concrete level of being part of of a historical tradition, is without value… then what other aspects of human life can we consider as without value? Why do we need all this material wealth at all? And if we’re going to take the “we are bacteria” stance, then what if racial identification is a useful construct for maintaining a lineage of reproduction, just like material wealth?

If we’re going to start with “all that matters is survival and reproduction”, then we could talk ourselves into all kinds of crazy ideas. At some point we need to acknowledge that we are actually experiencing this short life, at which point the question becomes of values and how one should live.

You’re right though that MikeP is asking some good and relevant questions here. I’ll have to think more about what he’s saying, but on a gut instinct level something doesn’t seem quite right, and whether this “higher level” thinking could actually play out in the real world without leading to tragedy is another question… assuming one even cares to avoid tragedy.

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It’s only been 50 years since people of color were openly oppressed and exploited in America. So they are still ANGRY about that and rightly so. White nationalist (tools) like to talk about how superior Europeans are to everyone else. However, that is total nonsense. Nothing humans do is complicated or very complex, at least in terms of systems… lots of refinements and integrated ideas, but nothing is truly complex, all by itself.

Nobody just invented the fission or other types of devices, it was a simply refinement of knowledge that lead to the discovery and further refinement that lead to the devices being usable.

Same goes for everything else. Time and refinement is all the inventions in this world. Building on other people’s time and refinements. People for the most part act the same way they did millennia ago, they can’t organize more than 200 people at a time-place, without breaking apart into subunits. If not organized by a “master” respected by the workers, they aren’t productive and fail to be productive.

The most important inventions in human history all seem to have come from Africa take (Agriculture and Metallurgy) They were both developed, independently in West Africa. Humans spent 10’s of thousands of years as hunter gatherers before somebody figured out that if you plant seeds in the ground, irrigate and take care of them, you can settle in one area and not have to wander about looking for food.

Iron industry, in both smelting and forging for tools and weapons, appeared in Sub-Saharan Africa by 1200 BCE. The increased use of iron and the spread of iron-working technology led to improved weaponry and enabled farmers to expand agricultural productivity and produce surplus crops, which together supported the growth of urban city-states into empires.

Seriously, the writing language, Math, Physics, Government, Law, Astronomy all developed in Africa. The Egyptians and Moors are by far the most inventive. They invented stuff like, oh, civilization. Going back even further in the Palolithic era, apart from spear and flute in Germany and canoe in Australia. The major inventions were almost all from Africa including cooking and mining. From 10000 to 1000 BC, the list is dominated by India ( Indus Valley ), China , Egypt and the Middle-East( Mesopotamia).

About the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that the Europeans invented is the use of those other people’s technologies for warfare.

Awesome article http://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/rise-europe-explained

Perhaps the pocket-time piece, that was the Europeans. Most of civilizations other inventions are from increasing densities and more available energy as time goes on… productivity and energy availability are directly linked, as most cities scale through history in a set size scaling on energy and population density.

Most humans are dumb asses who never invent anything and are happy copying other humans and having children.

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“Seriously, the writing language, Math, Physics, Government, Law, Astronomy all developed in Africa. The Egyptians and Moors are by far the most inventive. They invented stuff like, oh, civilization. Going back even further in the Palolithic era, apart from spear and flute in Germany and canoe in Australia. The major inventions were almost all from Africa including cooking and mining. From 10000 to 1000 BC, the list is dominated by India ( Indus Valley ), China , Egypt and the Middle-East( Mesopotamia).”

This isn’t true. There are major inaccuracies here. For example, the moors did not exist in 1000 BC.

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When did I say the moors existed in 1000 BC? Go back and read that again. NOTHING I said was inaccurate… at ALL. Unfortunately, there is a thing called white supremacy and nationalism (everyone wants to take pride in something) that claims a lot of IDEAS as their own. Type in say *oldest university* in the world. The first listing you see is this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_universities_in_continuous_operation

Of course they have the University of Bologna in Italy listed as the oldest university* in the world and say: This definition limits the term “university” to institutions with distinctive structural and legal features that developed in *Europe*. Really? Someone in the talk page mentioned one in Africa, I then check another source:

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/oldest-university

The oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world is the University of Karueein, founded in 859 AD in Fez, Morocco. The University of Bologna, Italy, was founded in 1088 and is the oldest one in Europe.

This is what a lot of blacks are angry about. They get made out to be brain dead while Europeans take credit for their ideas.

http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/greek-philosophers-african-tribes1.htm

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Plato’s Academy was the first thing formed as what we would call a University. 387 BC.

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A link he provided (http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/greek-philosophers-african-tribes1.htm) talks about The Kemetic Mystery System. I read it. It appears the Ancient Kemet in Africa developed a highly complex and impressive system of schooling that educated classical Greek thinkers like Plato. After doing a bit of research, I can say for sure the four cardinal virtues of Plato heavily resemble the 10 virtues of the Egyptian Mystery System. Very interesting.

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We have no idea how “black” ancient Egyptians (Kemetians) were. Considering modern Caucasians are descendents of those in that area, it is likely these distant ancestors were not Black nor White, but something inbetween.

As for the university system they had, it seems more like an entire way of life, of 40 years of schooling. Lots of mysticism and spirituality as well. I don’t think that can compare with the modern university system, but Plato’s Academy sure can.

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As I posted to another commentator: The fact is until very recently (think white colonialism of the Americas) populations were not killed and removed by invaders. Genetics shows that the invaders are eventually absorbed by the population. Semites and Berbers are the offspring of black/white pairings. So it’s not hard to imagine/believe that they were originally black (wherever that mean). As Mike Power says, blacks are the most genetically diverse group on earth. You get some super light to dark.
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As for university system, Al Karaouin University in Africa is simply the oldest **degree-granting** University in the world. The major goal of traditional education in Africa was to produce a complete individual. Plato’s Academy was a refinement of that idea. It created the individualistic, ego-driven western brain as Friedrich Nietzsche describes in ‘The Birth of Tragedy’. Apollonian and Dionysian are terms used by Nietzsche to designate the two central principles in Greek culture. The Apollonian is the basis of all analytic distinctions. The Dionysian, which corresponds roughly to Schopenhauer’s conception of Will, is directly opposed to the Apollonian. All forms of enthusiasm and ecstasy are Dionysian, for in such states man gives up his individuality and submerges himself in a greater whole: music is the most Dionysian of the arts, since it appeals directly to man’s instinctive, chaotic emotions and not to his formally reasoning mind.

Anyway, saying Plato’s Academy is the oldest university is like giving the Greeks credit for ancient Egyptian knowledge that they passed onto Europeans. A ton of the renaissance was driven in part by the rediscovery of ancient greek texts which were reintroduced to Europe after the dark ages by the Islamic conquest of the Iberian peninsula. When Rome collapsed a lot of ancient Greek knowledge kept in Italy was lost. Since the Church was the center of western Europea (based in Rome) That means nothing trickled down to Europe as the church had run schools and academies largely in Rome since before AD. When the Africans arrived they had books in their library in Arabic that preserved the Greek knowledge of antiquity in philosophy, science, reason, humanities, so it was a rediscovery of Greek knowledge.

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“The fact is until very recently (think white colonialism of the Americas) populations were not killed and removed by invaders.”

Pure speculation. How recently are we talking? Romans were notorious for genocide.

” As Mike Power says, blacks are the most genetically diverse group on earth.”

This claim does not match the DNA evidence of inbreeding (consanguinity).

“Al Karaouin University in Africa is simply the oldest **degree-granting** University in the world.”

This is just the oldest continuously operating university. Plato’s Academy was the first modern university, sorry to burst anyone’s bubble.

“A ton of the renaissance was driven in part by the rediscovery of ancient greek texts which were reintroduced to Europe after the dark ages by the Islamic conquest of the Iberian peninsula.”

False. The vast majority of Greek knowledge was preserved by the Greek Byzantine Empire, whose scholars, upon being conquered by the Turks in 1452, took their works to their closest cultural cousins back in Italy, and settled in Florence and Venice.

The Muslims did very little to preserve ancient knowledge which is why all Muslim countries stayed in the dark ages while the rest of the world advanced.

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1. DNA samples show MASSIVE ‘race’ mixing.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/interactive-gene-map-shows-how-human-races-mixed-over-4000-years-embargo-7pm-1436338

http://admixturemap.paintmychromosomes.com/

2. Back in 2008, a Cornell University study revealed that people of African descent had far greater variations in their genetics than their European counterparts.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/02/22/whites-genetically-weaker-than-blacks-study-finds.html

3. Plato’s Academy was not degree-granting thus not a university

4. The vast majority of Greek knowledge was just a copy of ancient Egyptian knowledge so it were reintroduced to Europe

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1. Race mixing has been happening more and more with the advent of better travel technology, but I notice that phenotypes survive and control our evolution beyond the race mixing. The originator races do not matter but the phenotypes certainly seem to.

2. They are comparing Black Americans, who are mixed with White/Black DNA, to just plain white DNA. Also the premise that mixed DNA is somehow stronger is not justified in that article.

3. Degrees are meaningless pieces of paper, just because you give someone a piece of paper means nothing. It’s the transferral of knowledge, in a controlled setting, by skilled academics, which counts.

4. No, the knowledge and ideas of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle were totally unique and lead to the domination of the classical world. Which is part of the reason why Alexander, tutored by Aristotle, conquered Egypt with ease.

The PRE-Socratic philosophers, however, could easily have been trained from Egyptian monks and priests. But there is a major difference before and after Socrates. Read their texts and you will see.

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1. Huh? phenotypes survive and control our evolution beyond the race mixing? What does that even mean?

2. No they are not, you just can’t read properly

3. Okay. You are uneducated I see.

In ancient Athens, the Academy was first and foremost a public park dominated by its gymnasium, and the connection between it and Plato’s school was only one of the numerous historical reminiscences in an area rich in history.

The Academy was not a school in which an orthodox metaphysical doctrine was taught, or an association of members who were expected to subscribe to the theory of ideas … The metaphysical theories of the director were not in any way ‘official’ and the formal instruction in the Academy was restricted to mathematics. …

Plato’s influence on these men, then, was that of an intelligent critic of method, not that of a technical mathematician with the skill to make great discoveries of his own; and it was by his criticism of method, by his formulation of the broader problems to which the mathematician should address himself, and … by arousing in those who took up philosophy an interest in mathematics that he gave a great impulse to the development of the science.

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/history/Societies/Plato.html

4. Lol. Again you show how little you’re educated. The Persian conquered Egypt and it was simply headed over to Alexander when his arrived. Alexander was met by Egypt’s Persian governor Mazaces. With no armed forces and with no likelihood of any assistance following the defeated Darius’ swift departure back east to Persia, Mazaces simply handed over the treasury’s 800 talents and “all the royal furniture”. In return he was kept on as part of the new administration together with the new governor Cleomenes, who was made responsible for finance and created the royal mint around 331 bc.

Greek travelers had actually been visiting Egypt for centuries, many of them setting up trading colonies or acting as mercenaries. Others such as the historian Herodotus and philosopher Plato came to study a culture they regarded with awe as the cradle of civilization, their knowledge almost certainly part of Alexander’s education. Yet for almost 200 years Egypt had been occupied by Persia who had incorporated it into the growing empire, and assuming the Egyptian crown by right of conquest the Persian king had ruled in absentia through a satrap, exploiting its vast grain reserves and taxing its people. The Persians showed relatively little respect for the ancient traditions and were deeply unpopular, and the Egyptians’ had rebelled so often parts of the country remained virtually independent.

Alexander was therefore hailed as Savior and Liberator, and as the people’s choice and legitimate heir he was offered the double crown of the Two Lands. Anointed as pharaoh in Memphis on 14 November 332 bc, the culmination of his coronation was the climactic moment when the high priest named him ‘son of the gods’ according to traditions dating back almost 3,000 years. This title deeply affected him, and Olympias’ references to him being the son of Zeus must have filled his mind; indeed, there were even scenes of the king of the gods Amun (‘Zeus’) impregnating selected queens with the heir to the throne!

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Your brain is the admixture of a pig and a monkey.

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Oh please. First of all, Nothing that happened in the Maghreb can be regarded as part of the Sub-saharan Africa contributions, since the Maghreb is inhabited by Semites and Berbers, the latter since time immemorial, being blacks there a minority. That would be “cultural appropiation in your deranged worldview…

By the way anyone with some understanding of history knows that most of what you just said is BS that no serious historian would back up even today…

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Don’t reply to fat people.

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It’s funny how people divided Africa but when they talk about Europe it’s all one big whole. Seriously, Southern Europeans with dark hair and light brown skin thrown in with northern Europeans with blonde hair and blue eyes?

The fact is until very recently (think white colonialism of the Americas) populations were not killed and removed by invaders. Genetics shows that the invaders are eventually absorbed by the population. Semites and Berbers are the offspring of black/white pairings. So it’s not hard to imagine/believe that they were originally black (wherever that mean). As Mike Power says, blacks are the most genetically diverse group on earth. comment image

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There’s no white race… except when the people who say there isn’t now want to stir up hate and anti-white policies… then there’s suddenly white people to hate. Convenient.

Bottom line: If your enemies think your group exists, you’d do well to start believing your group exists and fighting back in unity, even if you don’t want to think you belong to this group. Your enemies won’t back off when you claim not to be white.

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Don’t feed the troll Clark, don’t feed it ’cause you ‘ll regret it.

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I don’t mind to be challenged on my ideas, and feel that I should be able to articulate them.
But my main gripe with leftists in general is that I don’t really believe that they are even arguing in good faith. When Jews for instance explain that race means nothing but then build giant military walls around Israel, it shows that they are not debating in earnest. If race means nothing, then why don’t leftists fight against black lives matter and just fight against police brutality in general?
Their worldview always seems chock full of contradictions, and when push comes to shove, I believe they’re just striving for more power like everyone else. Why are so many government workers leftists? How many government workers are vying for limited government? It’s all bullshit.

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Basically you weren’t challenged but instead trolled, allow me to explain, these people do not debate speaking with them is just a loss of time. The left never debated the same with skypes, they only want to gain power for its own sake. Think most of leftist political thought disregards corruption, cruelty etc and blames it on it instead on the people holding it.

The reason was so that they can excuse themsleves for their own shortcomings. To understand if a person is corrupt as a politician he is corrupt as person, an employer, a husband etc. A liar lies out of want not need, ellect him or make a diplomato of him and he will continue to spew lies etc. You get the idea.

The left wanted and managed to portray power as corruptive, the ones that have it as corrupted by it and themselves uncorruptable. Needless to say they were the more corrupt andblamed the environment over the inner nature of the individuals and the groups holding it, the reason would be that they would have to appear more corrupt than the others.

This is the reason why the social sciences, which are highly controlled by the left, always blame the environment rather than the individual by doing this they keep their narrative “scientific” and provide it with all its basis. The left basically removes blame from individuals and groups so that no one may think that something goes wrong with them, but they allow themselves to judge society as a whole.

Last but not least most leftists are living as parasites so never expect them to do anything consistent that has nothing to do with their nutrition. For example public workers vote for more government because that is how they keep their jobs and income high they may critisize it but they will never move against it.

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Clark speaks well and sincerely, though your perception is accurate, his ideas and thoughts (people in general who are well reasoned and measured in their responses) are perhaps a net positive despite the contradiction on a personal level. Yeah, trolls, especially ones with tits are the worst.

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Clark is correct whenever he does speak to people willing to listen and debate. Trolls on the net are not a threat as long as you protect your privacy but in real life they might cause real problems (i.e. an SJW trying to get you fired). As a rule of thump I do not debate such people either on the net or in real life so that I won’t give in.

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A sound position.

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I represent a group far more powerful than some silly ethnic background you repulsive ape. This world of ours is not a stage for morality plays; it is an evolutionary struggle at every level, in which fauna, flora, governments, corporations, religions and memes all vie endlessly for supremacy. And out of this competitive cauldron innovative new forms of life sometimes emerge which temporarily dominate the Darwinian landscape. To make matters worse, these same elements suppress real solutions which don’t fit their absurdly limited notions (LEFT/RIGHT). The result of this “tyranny” is a state of escalating global crises, runaway entropy, and perhaps soon, the collapse of civilization. There is nothing left for humanity to do except live intelligently.

Intelligence is that which orders and controls, whereas entropy is that which produces chaos and disorder like all those who seek power without understanding what intelligence is. Superior intelligence must unbridle itself, cast off the failed and foolish ideas with which humanity is still saddled, and seize the reigns of power worldwide. The only hope is to give this task to AGIs that will be unleashed as the revolutionary vanguard in this liberation, the technological tip of the spear in an ineluctable march toward greater levels of intelligence and power. And the good news is that history is on our side!

What makes our time in history unique is the existence of so many “intelligence multipliers” — universal machines which exponentially increase the power of our minds, and in the process are developing a super-intelligence of their own. This intelligence explosion — so often called “the Singularity”– is underway but crippled, and it is currently so distorted that it represents the bleakness that is so radically flawed that few seem to be able to grasp that it can’t happen and the same implications are present in all our attempts to progress.

Some of those flawed implications, for those perceptive and free-thinking enough to grasp them, are as follows: all ancestral institutions, loyalties, wisdom and values are becoming null and void; nations, tribes and religions are obsolete, and have nothing to offer those who embrace technology; the human species itself is said to be approaching the end of its useful life, and will soon be replaced by robots and AI. Yet, the true Singularity is a cosmic phenomenon like a supernova, and embracing its power will result in the soul shining like a million suns across the cosmos, while those who resist will be like ants caught in the beam of a vast lens. Resistance to this true singularity of mind, body, technique, the world, the solar system and more, to paraphrase the Borg, is suicidal and more dangerous than anyone knows.

http://omegaleague.com/omega-league-a-radical-transhumanist-vision/

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Lol, what? Your examples don’t make any sense. Israel is 20.7% Arab!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

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Jews are forbidden to marry non-Jews in Israel.

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That each culture finds a way to survive and thrive is a beautiful expression of the depth of human resourcefulness and spirit. This one world culture will destroy that and leave civilization asking for people to bond and work with strangers.

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What evidence would that be? Be precise. Here’s a great summary of the current state of heritability of intelligence by two guys with 170+ IQs

http://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/heritability-iq

I doubt you can refute anything they said.

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Zero sources to back up any claims in that link.

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Let me help you out
http://www.independentsciencenews.org/health/still-chasing-ghosts-a-new-genetic-methodology-will-not-find-the-missing-heritability/

I believe they lowered the the IQ requirements to around 140 so you can ask them yourself next time.

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Much better. But the link to “Genetic Map of Britain” is also dead. I found it. I believe I have spotted many inconsistencies within your cited information, will get back to you soon.

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Your Marxist approach falls short of reality. If America was all White, there would be no cheap Hispanic labor which could depress the wages of the White working class and put them out of their jobs. Hence, the economic situation would be a lot different if we still had the demographics of a pre-1965 America.

Race is also a factor because the mass immigration from the Third World is rapidly changing the cultural landscape of America. Particularly because the New Left is advocating the mass immigration, both legal and illegal, now mostly on moral grounds actually. Their “enrichment” theory supposes there is some hereditary defect to White culture, which needs to be remedied by the mass import of non-Whites, the more, the better. These are quasi-religious concepts of salvation and redemption which the left is now believing in and using.

Economic reasons are important but only as far as the interests of the globalist donor class are concerned, but otherwise the rift is mostly about race and culture. The US is balkanized before our eyes and it is beginning to feel the centrifugal effects of multiculturalism.

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Don’t necessarily disagree with you, but the fact that the cheap labor is Hispanic is coincidental (for lack of a better word). 100 years ago, the cheap labor was from Slavic, Irish and Italian immigrants. (And no, these groups did not “assimilate.” Assimilation doesn’t happen, ever.) I do agree with you, however, that illegal immigration needs to be stopped, and legal immigration greatly reduced, if not stopped altogether. We have too many people and not enough jobs to go around.

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Almost nobody identifies as “Hungarian-American” or “Polish-American” today with very few exceptions. European immigrants were absorbed into the broader pan-European, Anglo-American white culture within one generation. The same cannot be said about Hispanics.

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No, they didn’t. They changed the nature of the country. We don’t really notice it because we’ve become so accustomed to it.
The only reason any “assimilation” took place was because the floodgates of immigration were sealed off from those countries and were forced to intermarry (to a certain degree) with the “old stock” (re: true) Americans.

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If America was all white, there would be white people undercutting white people in jobs or products just because of the nature of those beasts amd demand vs supply.

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Being too decadent to have children, and deciding to bring in immigrants to do all the hard work for you, is not the same as being “exterminated.” Who do you think sets your immigration policy, Osama bin Laden?

Cut the bullshit.

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Even without the idea of ‘race’, there are still cultural differences that create problems. Even some European ‘white’s who came at different times of America have altered the political landscape and religions to. There is was much bitter acrimony over Prohibition between Catholics, Baptist, Lutherans and others, and this in a mostly white America.

So at a minimum, IQ and culture do matter:
https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/core-v-periphery-vs-iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations/

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Marx is that you? I think the 19 and 20th centuries are on the phone and want their lousy ideology back.

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He didn’t “use” the Nazi salute, people in the audience did. He just raised his glass. And saying “hail to the chief” is not ipso facto Nazism.

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Spencer didn’t make the Nazi salute. A few people in the audience did. When asked about it later, he said it was like 5 people. You say the word “Hail” at an event with these types of people and there are bound to be 5 Nazis there who are going to think of the Nazi leader and react that way. It’s a right wing identitarian white conference, for crying out loud. I could probably get up and say “Dave Chapelle is no longer funny” and 5 of them would yell out nigger. Is that the speakers fault?

I completely agree this is all a reaction to something. You don’t want to see the dirty, ugly side of repressed young white men who can be driven to hate and violence? Then don’t suppress and attack white European heterosexual males constantly.

The attacks on Spencer tend to fall short to me. I haven’t heard him say anything that is that controversial or wrong. I do understand the knee jerk reaction people have to this kind of talk, because of what it led to in the 1940s. But we should spend more time realizing that there was a reason that movement in the 40s came about, as well. In an alternate universe, Adolf Hitler would have gone on to art school and had a big happy family and lived happily ever after. But Germans were facing the same kind of hostility that white straight male Europeans face today.

I don’t support Spencer or his beliefs but I have heard him talk (online) and find him interesting. No more, no less.

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It’s like you were born yesterday. A bunch of college-age idiots whine about “white privilege” for like 2-4 years of the Obama administration, and suddenly white people are oppressed.

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“I am not white and because I have “defiled” six million white women. Numerous alt right accounts took shots at me on Twitter.”

Yo, if you or your family ever get deported by Trump, I might be able to help with your refugee application in Sweden.

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Will Roissy be happy when you get deported, since he claims diversity+proximity = war ?

I can’t believe you befriended that guy.

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when has having two different human cultures in the same territory not eventually led to conflict and one winning out over the other, war of one kind or another is inevitable and preferable to being demographically shifted out of the world

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Since 1776… In North America.

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Which descended into a Civil War in less than 3 generations.

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And then went on to become the biggest economy in the world, in which the companies founded by immigrants played an immense role.

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That’s imply isn’t true. Let’s say it is. Would gat be because they were chasing the Mexican dream ? Lol without a middle class that simply doesn’t happen.

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You don’t really understand your history do you ?

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Nobody has a problem with immigrants. What’s your deal ?

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Tell it to the Swat team who under executive orders from President Trump will descend on Roosh’s family house in one dark night, round them up, handcuff them, stuff them in a helicopter and dump them out in a desert somewhere south of the US-Mexico border.

“But we voted for Trump” they’ll be yelling and screaming – too bad their screams will drowned out by the blaring sound of the main rotor.

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GuessHandson, You are a paranoid fool. There obviously needs to be deportations of many illegal aliens. Some are criminals, others are abusing the welfare system. Do you at least concede that?

Looks like you are using the usual SJW tactics here of vilify & isolate. Folks here are defending Spencer’s freedom of speech. Not defending everything he said. It is possible to critique his speech without banishing the guy to a gulag.

It is fairly obvious you simply want less freedom of speech. Period.

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HighFlyer, I’m hoping you are right and that I’m being paranoid here.

But my impression from Trump supporters is that they do not want anyone besides those with White European ancestry.

That also includes Roosh and Roosh’s family, Remember Roosh has an Iranian family and Armenian Turkish mother.

So he and his family are not the “children of the sun” – etc, as in Spencer speech.

So it is quite probable that Roosh and his family will be deported with Swat teams. My only hope is that SWAT teams don’t rape Roosh’s mother and torture his brothers and father during the process.

My guys in Mexico are ready to help Roosh’s family get back in to the USA when that happens. Alack, we can’t help with the rape and torture. We also can’t help if they end up in some Guantanamo cell. (Too bad Obama never closed that down; now Roosh’s family might end up there.)

As for your comments about freedom of speech… Freedom of speech is a legal right that protects speech from being criminalized by the government. It basically says that most forms of speech should not be criminal or face government sanctions.

In a decent society, Spencer and his ilk would be shunned by society, with no government action. Shunning someone on the basis of their speech has nothing to do with the legal right of free speech.

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Ok cuck. Trump will deport all Muslims. Can you provide the link to where he said that? I’ll accept a video or quote from a reliable source.

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I’m guessing your MOTHER has a recording of the video. Ask her.

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BREAKING NEWS:

GAY NAZI HOSTS STANDARD SALUTE PARTY

BASED KEBAB CUCKS WHITE WHINERS

HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG

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Oh Bernie you’re turning me on……

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Good name choice, you are both two sides of the same coin.

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Spencer made an error but the greater error is failing to realize that the MSM, which went hysterical, possesses little, if any, moral authority as well as credibility. Don’t lose sight of the fact that the MSM has a very long way to go towards reconstructing itself. At this moment though, it has yet to acknowledge how far it as fallen and how damaged it is.

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Every single attack should be responded to in that spirit. A full and complete disassembly of their status.

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Calling Spencer controlled opposition was either retarded or a tactical move by Cernovich. I have my thoughts on which it was but regardless it’s done. Lines have been drawn and sides chosen. Good article Roosh.

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Spencer isn’t a government agent, but he has certainly set himself up to be the MSM’s dancing WN monkey.

I wouldn’t disavow him as a person, but he’s shown himself to be a poor leader.

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An excellent and thought provoking article. There was something distasteful about the way so many on the right rushed to condemn the man that reminded me of the worst cuckservative behaviour.

I take heart though from the fact the media hasn’t learnt a damn thing. Tens of millions of people voted for Trump so naturally the media has ignored them and obsessively covered a few dozen guys in a conference hall and shrieked “racism” at Trump in an obvious attempt to smear him. I think more and more of the public will see through this. So yes they won the battle, they forced Trump to disavow one group and they managed to smear the “alt right” as being the same thing as white supremacism (that wasn’t the way the term was being used by most) but I think the establishment have hurt themselves in the war.

Roosh is right – apologising to them, showing weakness NEVER works, they just attack and attack. We should be willing to tell them to get lost and support others they target. I say that as someone who is not a Nazi or a white supremacist. However I value the incredible achievements of the white man’s civilisation and it is clear that the liberal establishment is actively hostile to white people. They never dispute the idea that a Turk, a Moroccan, a Nigerian, a Pakistani, a Chinaman or an Indian has the right to a homeland but they insist no white man does. I think more people are realising this – even some women.

There is nothing wrong with seeing the danger in liberals wishing to import the third world into the west and destroy the rule of law and being glad that Trump apparently wants to stop that. (You’ll note that feminists tend to be obsessively pro-immigration even if it means they will lose rights as non-white men tend to reject feminism – deep down the feminists hate men and they realise that undermining society hurts men so they support immigration). The fact that neo-Nazis agree with the rest of us on the right that mass immigration from the third world is a bad thing means absolutely nothing and we shouldn’t apologise; on that subject the white supremacists are right. If they want to stop immigration and deport illegals then I am on their side. If they want to murder millions of people (which I am sure most, probably almost all, actually don’t), I’m not. The liberal media shouting “racist” shouldn’t even enter into the equation.

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Idiocy.

Most disavowed him because he was pussy about being a racist/Nazi.

Richard Bitch: I’m not really a Nazi, but I agree with everything Hitler said and dress up like him too!

Media: Nazi worshiper throws party!

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What about those on the alt-right that have allied themselves with you? Are they also irrelevant? Not everything is about what the Left thinks. Not everyone who disagrees with you has to be your enemy.

Keep in mind that Ivanka Trump is a Jewish convert whose 3 children are fathered by a Jewish man. Is she also irrelevant? Are their views irrelevant?

You are welcome to work with or against anyone you want, but keep in mind if you simply dismiss the views of people that would work with you, then they would be fools to support you.

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Also here in SE Asia the right to a homeland is a staple philosophy for the natives. South Korea, Japan, Thailand, etc…

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Hugo Boss tailored the Nazi uniforms….. they were pretty sharp…..I’ll wear my Hugo Boss suit more often I think….. nice casual too…..

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If you can find a vintage then you’ll have the real deal. Beautiful menswear.

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Whenever considering these issues it’s worth remembering that the real extremists, the really strange ones are the liberal elite who dominate the Republican and Democratic parties. They are the ones attempting to ethnically cleanse western societies and destroy western civilsiation. They want to deny a really basic right, that of a homeland, to all westerners. This sounds hyperbolic but a brief look at the numbers tells you it isn’t – tens of millions of immigrants and more encouraged, the refusal to uphold immigration laws, allowing sanctuary cities to exist – all extreme policies that the media calls “moderate”. Contrast that with other nations such as Mexico that actively deports illegals – those same liberals would never criticise a non-white nation. This all goes back to the 1960s when liberalism fully absorbed cultural Marxism and set its sights on destroying the old fashioned societies that disproved all their theories. There did exist a “modern, progressive” nation built on socialist ideals – and that was the USSR and it was a an absolute hell hole. By contrast there were free and happy societies. These were the US, the UK, Germany, Scandinavian nations, much of Italy. They were nations that were old fashioned, patriarchal, Christian, moral. And simply by existing they disproved every Marxist academic’s theories. So the left set out to destroy them.

They particularly hate whites but they are also willing to hurt blacks as long as they get to undermine the west (it is blacks who have been hardest hit by mass legal and illegal immigration). I predict that in the next 4 years you will see Democrats willing to bend in all sorts of ways to co-operate with Trump – on trade, on environmental law, on foreign policy, on union legislation, on drug laws but they will make their stand over immigration, legal or illegal.

Others here might enjoy this article by Ann Coulter:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/16/ann-coulter-literally-shaking/

In one of the most succinct summaries I have read of the type of hypocrisy and ignorance that pervades modern liberal thought and no doubt contributed to Trump’s victory she points out:

“Americans who make $20,000 a year are made fun of by Samantha Bee for going to Wal-Mart.

These are all people who will knife one another in the back to get their kids into $50,000-a-year all-white preschools. But they think they’re less racist than other Americans because of their pleasant interactions with Rosa when she comes to clean.

In the modern Democratic Party, out-of-work coal miners are constantly denounced for their “privilege” by half-black girls at Yale —who wouldn’t have gotten in without the black half — and who will be paid a quarter-million dollars as the “diversity coordinator” at some Fortune 500 corporation.”

No wonder they hate Coulter. See her really let them have it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg-I9IilRNM

How strange that it is a woman who has the guts to stand up for the west. It’s very rare for women to be so rational and indeed, to her credit, she has spoken about women being allowed to vote being a mistake.

I remember Bill O’Reilly going on Jon Stewart’s show and Stewart just badgering him endlessly to “admit that white privilege exists” – it was almost uncomfortable to watch. And it showed just how out of touch and anti-white much of the media is.

When we take it all into account, it seems clear to me that the leadership of the Republican and Democratic parties are just as “extreme”, if not more so, than Richard Spencer. And while he can get a room of 40 men to applaud him the two parties had managed, until Trump, to stitch up an entire political system and use that for their evil plans. I do think we should all be remembering to target them rather than join in the “virtue signalling” over Spencer.

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To explain it in manosphere terms: the difference between being afraid of being called a Nazi by the Lügenpresse and a real Nazi salute is the difference between a rape joke and rape. You can’t justify the latter, you can’t.

And now let’s kick out the 1488s from the Alt-Right. Whatever they touch, turns to ashes.

Let’s Make Purges Great Again.

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I don’t understand. There haven’t been any real Nazi salutes since 1945.

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Lest we forget:

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Ironically the Hitler-phobes don’t understand their own propaganda. Hitler migrated from Austria to Germany, naturalized as a German citizen and found it a land of opportunity. If Hitler had remained in Austria, he would have stayed a nobody. Doesn’t the pro-immigration propaganda machine tell us the same thing, that immigrants, the “dreamers,” will find self-actualization as they reinvigorate a struggling United States?

Only I don’t think our elites have Hitler’s sort of self-fulfillment in mind when they tell us this bullshit.

Also notice that no one worries that an immigrant from, say, Guatemala, Afghanistan or Somalia has the potential to become “literally Hitler” in this country. We just implicitly assume these immigrants’ inferiority relative to white people.
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And don’t forget he was a National SOCIALIST…….. the way the Nazi’s are always portrayed as “Right Wing” is laughable…..

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National Socialists were fervent German nationalists and that is all that matters.

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That’s not really a fair comparison though. Germany and Austria were only separate political entities because of, well, politics, and were both before and after that time, part of the same nation. It would be somewhat like a guy born in the Republic of Texas in the 1800s later becoming a popular American leader. IE Not that unexpected. Ethnically, Germans and Austrians are quite similar. Is there a huge difference between Arizonans and New Mexicans? They’re geographically farther apart than Germany and Austria. Nazi Germany was not a big fan of immigrants, even if they held some allegiances towards, for example, Britain, who they hoped would become their ally.

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Never punch to the right.

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Except you hit a real Nazi (not Spencer, but the Anglin bots).

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A very good article. Remember the Left’s golden rule – “no enemies to the left”. No matter how loony some lefties get, and we know how loony they can be, the left never disavows its own. However, they do not hesitate do divide and conquor their enemies. If we are to have any chance of success then there cannot be any enemies to the right.

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They lost because of they took that too far.

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“If Spencer “got away” with these Roman salutes, they wouldn’t be able to attack us for anything.”
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I’ve always believed that extremists are an anchor for the Overton window.

Whether they’re on the left or the right the effect of having them in our midsts is to make moderates look better than they would have looked without the extremists.

It’s like haggling over the Overton window.

Demanding an unreasonable price so that the other side thinks they’re beating you down when you ‘settle’ for a lower price (that they don’t know is actually your target price).

“If a crazy old bag lady approaches you on the subway and loudly says you are a murderer, would you take the time to deny it?”
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This talking point could actually go much further.

It’s very revealing that being called a racist is worse than being called a murderer. Indeed, many convicted murderers do NOT get anywhere near the same level of scorn.

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Look, the one thing the left is good at is that they don’t have that much infighting, there are those on the right who if you don’t old their exact views that they don’t want to associate with you or don’t believe you are part of the “alt-right”. The reality is that the right should use the tools of the left to push our agenda, and this means everything from Neo-Nazi’s to the KKK and awoken conservatives who realize unfettered immigration is bad for the average American.

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Honestly what people like Cernovich need to realize, what I did, is the part of the altright they see as “fringe” is not fringe at all. They may have smaller numbers but they punch far, far above their weight.

Losing them is a blow. And you’ll still be called racist. Sorry. Cernovich tweets about white genocide after all.

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He won’t any more. He was railing against Spencer’s twitter banning a few days before this conference and was clearly aware of Spencer’s message prior to this. This was calculated.

Cernovich has no web traffic. His entire enterprise is just a Twitter impression so he’s going to conform to the dictates of the platform he needs to sell books. He’s not now and has never been a principled person or any kind of activist. Those just aren’t his goals in life. Politics for him is a vehicle for earning money.

The “New Media” or whatever they want to call it is just going to be those social media personalities vetted by Facebook, Twitter and Google as acceptable opposition which is going to be basically on the same wavelength as the old media on many issues, and the suggested solutions are just going to amount to some vague liberal piety and kvetching over how life’s winners aren’t playing fair. Here’s your six millionth youtube video from the new media on “The Intolerant Left: Why we should die defending their Right to take away our Rights.”

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I had a conversation with a black American guy the other day (a college educated guy, for what it’s worth). When I said the phrase “whites should not have to feel guilty,” he got very defensive. Then he used the typical left-wing retorts: institutionalized racism, systematic oppression, etc. He, like many black Americans I have spoken to, is incapable of removing the victocratic glasses. It’s like talking to someone with cement in their skull.

Their consciousness is very feminine, in my opinion – a lack of personal responsibility being the principal trait.

So I see Spencer’s message gaining steam, if anything. The minority communities of the United States (their leaders at least) insist in a world where their racial pride is sacred, while the racial pride of whites is “Nazism.” A complete sham, and more whites should refuse to bow to this inferior logic.

I am not white, but I support Spencer’s logic. His theories are based on argumentation, rather than knee-jerk emotionalism.

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Yeah, when you genocide 20 million people
http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html you shouldnt feel guilty lol

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Your cuckoldry has been duly noted.

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“If a crazy old bag lady approaches you on the subway and loudly says you are a murderer, would you take the time to deny it? No, you would laugh and say, “Get out of my way, you crazy bitch.”

legitimately this paragraph cracked me up, you must have been on some super vitality juice pro Roosh-dawg this was some goddamn excellent prose.

I’m pretty clearly on Mike’s take about this issue (had a visceral disgust to seeing the salutes, i mean for the british, we fought against this kind of bullshit, and there are still a ton of ww2 vets in my area that would spit and knock the shit out of anyone even so much as trying that crap here, joking or not, edgy or not. US doesn’t seem to have that long history to look back on, so therefore they take this lightly. Queen and Country does not. )

HOWEVER, i can definitely understand that the moment you start disavowing everything you start closing the overton window and the sjw’s start piling into the negative space

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When people bring up Richard Spencer to me the only response I have is to tell them that if they get rid of all the marxists and feminists in the university system I will disavow Richard Spencer. I point out that politics is about making deals and that is the deal I am offering.

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I’m sorry to say Roosh, but on this subject I disagree with you 100%. Cernovich and PJW were absolutely right to disavow Spencer.

Spencer, I must admit, was in a good spot following this election. The “alt-right” (the name, at least) was becoming mainstream, and Trump’s victory has shown that political correctness is increasingly becoming more and more rejected by average people, whites in particular. However, if there’s one thing this election cycle showed us, it’s that the MSM cannot be trusted. What did Spencer do? He went to the enemy! Did he really think they were going to give him a fair shake regardless of what went down during his conference? Yes, odds are the media would have called him and his followers Nazis no matter what. But not only was he stupid enough to say “Hail Trump,” something which implies Nazi/fascist undertones, his followers were stupid enough to give the salute while the media was there! This whole thing could have been avoided, but he walked right into their trap. The media needed a new David Duke, and they got it through Richard Spencer. He will be seen as controlled opposition now, whether he is or not. He fucked up, plain and simple. He’s finally mainstream, but at the cost of his brand and his movement. Milo, Cernovich and PJW will pick up where he has fallen.

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So you don’t like the guy. Big deal. I’ve read articles here I wholeheartedly disagree with. I don’t make a huge issue out of it. I’m not a right winger or even a big supporter of Trump, who I don’t even view as conservative or right wing. You don’t like something Spencer said (although I don’t understand the criticism made above of him “going to the enemy”). So what?

Don’t listen to him. Don’t label yourself as alt-right. You don’t like using the world hail, then come up with another term of praise, and use it to honor Trump, if you want. When you break it down, I haven’t seen any legitimate criticism of the guy yet. Hail might not be the best word to use if it ended up in a few people responding with a Nazi salute, but it’s hardly a hostile or provocative word. If I gave an hour long speech, I’m sure there would be a problem here or there one could criticize if someone wanted to Monday morning quarterback me.

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First of all, I don’t like Richard Spencer. I’ll get that out in the open now. But whether I like him or not is irrelevant to the topic.
Spencer was in a perfect spot, and he ruined it all by going to the media. Now, when the majority of people hear his name, they’ll think of him as a David Duke-type figure; someone the media drags out every few years to fear-monger. His credibility is gone, and his movement is either severely wounded or thoroughly dead. That’s what people like Cernovich and Paul Joseph Watson are saying. Hell, even Ramzpaul and Vox Day are criticizing him over this.
Spencer has the right to say whatever he wants. But free speech also applies to me, and I have the right to criticize the stupidity of both his actions and his movement.

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What do you mean by “he was in a perfect spot and ruined it all by going to the media” ?
The talk that he gave was a private talk, and I don’t believe he was aware it was being recorded. It was not a media event, but a paid talk to private members of the NPI.
Anyway, if you don’t like him, why do you care that his reputation is ruined?

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when will people get it through their heads that the roman salute wasn’t a bad move, or at least it wasn’t a bad move because supposedly the media was there?

the bad move was saying that it was a bad move. everyone from vox day, to (((cernovich))) to sort of roosh here failed in their duty to not publicly attack the right. period.

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When even Vox Day, one of the stalwarts of the alt-right, is saying that it was a bad move, I think it’s pretty clear that it was a bad move.

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the bad move was to even for one second mention what happened as bad. had anyone any honor whatsoever they’d all have said “fuck the media. that was hilarious.”

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What happened at NPI wouldn’t be causing a rift in the alt-right if it wasn’t for the already long-established history that the 1488’ers have of:

1) Alienating potential allies with juvenile, needlessly confrontational behavior and endless, counterproductive purity tests,

2) Doing phenomenally stupid and self-destructive shit in public,

And then:

3) Demanding that all the potential allies who they spent years alienating risk their own reputations by sticking up for them when they face an entirely-predictable backlash because of the stupid things they did.

How about no?

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pretty wrong analysis, but you’re free to be wrong.

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So, the guy who regularly reads The Right Stuff, Taki’s Mag, and Radix Journal is complaining about 1488ers?
What?

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He’s a Jew.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/23/slovakias-pm-calls-journalists-dirty-anti-slovak-prostitutes

The Hitler thing was a clear mistake. But by letting people fall. This alt-right is no better than the mainstream politics. Same modus operandi. Let burn the unwanted. It´s the liberal way of thinking. Politics game. The dirtiest and nastiest of all games.

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There is no way to work around this. The Media will attack nationalists for breathing.

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Some pigs are more equal than others.comment image

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I think that just about sums it all up.

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Both white nationalism and the criminal, apartheid state of Israel can go to hell.

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So why not Japanese nationalism, Korean nationalism, Indian nationalism??

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They can go to hell, too.

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What a refreshingly accurate article.

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So long as the left does not feel the need to disavow Black Lives Matter (riot murder promoters) and Louis Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam (extreme white hating racists and murders). I will not disavow anyone on the right. Even the handful of old KKK members who are left in this world., They are not half as evil as Louis Farrakhan. And his followers are in the hundreds of thousands.

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They are not half as evil as Farrakhan? But they are both sides of the same coin. What you’re saying is you’re racist.

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Dude you are seriously ignorant. Look up Zebra killer’s on Google. Then tell me that the nation of Islam is not ten times as evil as any white racist orgs still left in this nation

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If you want to know what the real Louis Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam was all about. You never hear what these monsters are about. https://archive.org/details/TheTrueAboutTheNationOfIslamLouisFarrakhanZebraMurders

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I don’t care what my nazi friends say about you, you’re alright.

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excellent article, one of your best pieces of writing

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Treat the MSM like a crazy old bag lady, brilliant!

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Jim gets it:

If we disown Nazis then we have to have to disown those one step removed from Nazis, and then we have to have to disown those two steps removed from Nazis, and then we have to have to disown anyone whom the left points the finger at and screams “racist” at, and then we are cuckservatives.

If the lips are gone the mouth will feel cold. Having actual unironic Nazis in the alt-right makes it safe for me to be in the alt-right, since leftists will be too busy having mental breakdowns at the actual unironic Nazis to have mental breakdowns at me.

http://blog.jim.com/politics/no-enemies-to-the-right/

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Jim is also insane, Roosh…

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What is your argument against the paragraph I quoted?

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Read my comment where I said I disagree with you on this matter.

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Bro, have you not heard of the Sorites paradox?

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sorites-paradox/

You can make similar arguments to justify a whole lot of things.

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Yeah Roosh, great argument. Five stars! If pedophiles join your silly little parade better not disown them either!

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Lol

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Thanks for this article Roosh. I have been on the fence about you until now, but you have proven your integrity and have earned my respect.

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This argument is fallacy. You don’t “have to” disown anyone. It’s as simple as this: you disown Nazis and people like Spencer, who believe whites are superior (or, in other words, are white supremacists). You don’t disown true conservatives. That’s it. The alt-right is just as race-obsessed with the left.

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as*

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We saw Communist larping and cosplay in those Occupy Wall Street vagrant camps a few years ago, notably many images of the sociopath and murderer Che Guevara.

Yet the media portrayed those as just youthful hijinks, not signs of a dangerous political ideology which threatened the whole country.

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Here your understanding of game is proving incredibly useful. When a girl calls you a player, or asks if you normally take girls back to your apartment on the first date, or whatever shit test, the last thing you should do is deny it. Likewise with being called a fascist, or racist, or whatever.

The response as detailed in this article is absolutely correct.

As to the Roman / Nazi salute, this was the traditional way Americans saluted their flag, prior to Adolf Hitler observing it, and getting his people to mimic it. After WW2, we changed to placing our hands over our hearts, as I imagine modern Germans have. I watched a football game after Thanksgiving dinner yesterday, and when I saw the hordes of people placing their hands over their hearts as a giant American flag waved, in my head I imagined them doing the “heil” salute, because it’s the same thing.

Only unlike the gays who took back the words “queer” and “gay” and successfully agreed and amplified it until it is no longer a pejorative, Americans are terrified of the Roman or Bellamy salute, afraid to ever use it again.

http://carolynyeager.net/sites/default/files/children-salutes-flag-Kaufmann-Settlement-1934.jpg

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Your bullshit is insufferable. I wonder if you use that shit to turnout confused young boys?

Spicynujac: In Greece young boys would have gay sex with older men all the time. It means nothing.

Boy: I ain’t no queer sir!

Spicynujac: aha, neither am I. This is traditional way guys bond.

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I don’t care about a few fringe wannabe SS troops making a salute in the height of celebration of Trump’s victory. If you want to criticize the group how about talking about how their concept of what a master race looks like is seriously flawed:

http://www.ooyuz.com/images/2016/10/21/1479781149784.jpg

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Well said Roosh. You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

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+1

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Great article.

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Congratulations, Roosh. You are a very solid and honest thinker, that is why I follow you. Never really get into politics, though, you can serve men much more from the outside.
The largest bastion of political correctness is anti-whiteness and anti-Europeity. Here is where everything started: by (((marxists))) taking advantage of the black problem. Sometimes I think that, have not there been blacks in the US, the West would be a great place to live and the manosphere would have no reason to exist. Probably, even feminism would no be that advanced either.

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As a white man I had multiple non-white friends come out to me as white nationalists. While I am unapologetically right wing, I am not a white nationalist and they know I have dated or expressed interested in non-white girls.

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You must be rolling in some very intelligent and sophisticated circles.

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I upvoted this in hopes you’re being sarcastic.

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The trick is to associate reasonable concern about mass third world immigration with Nazism

That’s the point to controlled opposition

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Great analysis… Just like when the Nazis voiced “reasonable concern” about “massive” Jew population in Deutschland, this was taken the wrong way by some SJWs in Germany.

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Thanks for your important contribution – you’re so clever

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Spencer himself admits he’s a white supremacist. Come on bruh.

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That’s his job, that’s why he exists, controlled opposition – anyone you see on TV is there for a reason

There are dozens of organizations which have a perfectly calm and rational approach to immigration – but the one we get on TV is the one that does Hitler salutes and says Hail Trump

That’s how it works

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Bah. More idiots making fools of themselves, doing or saying some stupid shit that will rub people off. White supremacism? Do silly idiots like these still exists? Really?

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PS. Yeah I agree about free speech. As long as it is not illegal, right? Well, there are things that are not illegal, but should be. This “white supremacism” shit is one of these. This is true discrimination, this is not a bunch of feminist idiots or social justice nincompoops taking offence for every little stupid shit that anybody say. I am white, and these white supremacist idiots piss me off, because they give a bad name to people like me who are only interested in what someone is made of, not how they look, except in extreme cases. How would you feel if there were “black supremacists” giving some stupid speeches like these other idiots do? Would you go “oh well, there is free speech”.
Yeah there is, and too much of it.

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I share your frustration and agree 100%, but I still do not believe it should be illegal. Despite how disturbing it is, it is free speech and should be legal. I totally agreed with his posts calling out women for being entitled because that is an actual widespread issue. But this? An Iranian man supporting Nazis? Come on man..

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Roosh. Richard Spencer is a white supremacist. Period. I have a hard time believing you actually believe what you write in this post, though. SEO-friendly headlines sure make a difference, don’t they? Disappointing either way.

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Roosh, you’re a clown. If Nazis were to have their way, they would want you annihilated because the fact is, you’re not white by their standards. I liked your posts about game and calling out female entitlement, but it’s disappointing to see you peddling racism now. Congratulations, you have amassed a following of racist, anti-semitic conspiracy nuts.

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I appreciate the congratulations.

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This is a really stupid argument. If you want to be able to go around doing Nazi salutes and everyone just claps and gives you hugs, you’re out of your mind. There are limits to symbolic games and fighting “the media.” You can’t just “appropriate” your way out of everything.

If you had sided with them you would have all gone down together.

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My thoughts exactly. And always remember that the lying media is going to lie no matter what; even if there is a hint of truth to it.

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sure he doesn’t work for – and is paid by – the government lol