In May of last year I unpublished 11 of my books because they were leading men directly to sin. That action was not enough. Today I have unpublished several more books, including my top seller Game, along with numerous articles, videos, podcasts, and forum postings.
The prospect of banning Game last May was too difficult, even though my conscience was bothered by the contents. I wrestled with the issue for a week as I closed out my final days as an expat in Eastern Europe. It made sense to ban all my Bang books, which explicitly instructed men how to have casual sex, and it wasn’t that hard on my wallet since they were older books that had passed their sales peak, but if I were to ban Game as well, my income would be wiped out. I prayed on the issue, asking God to help me make the right decision. Then I received two comments in one day from men stating that Game had helped them with married life. I also did a poll showing not all men were using Game to become accomplished fornicators. My conscience felt more clear; Game could remain.
During my lecture tour, dozens of men asked me to sign their copies of Game. They said it helped them with women, though not necessarily within the confines of marriage. I reasoned with myself that Game was an agnostic tool which men could use for good or evil, and that it wasn’t inherently evil. Towards the end of my tour, a Christian man said he read Game with “heavy discernment,” a hint that it wasn’t as agnostic as I wanted to believe, but outside of the ticket sales from the tour, which was soon to end, Game was my main source of income. If I were to unpublish it, what would I do for money during the several years it would take to release new books?
One month after the tour finished, I bought a used truck and was getting ready to rent a house in the mountains. I wasn’t too worried about money, since Game was still selling well without any active promotion on my part. Then I received a message from a fellow Orthodox Christian that I had met in California saying he had just read Game, and noticed that it contained the same type of sexual content I had aggressively banned on the forum last year. I walked to my bookshelf, pulled out a copy of Game, and randomly flipped through it, expecting an “agnostic” tool, but I could not find a page where sin was not. The book wasn’t agnostic at all—it trained and steered men for the main purpose of achieving bodily pleasure through casual sex. In some ways, it even wired men’s brains to view women as objects to be won purely through knowledge, effort, and physical attractiveness. Even my book Day Bang, which has no sexual content, trained men to see women as objects to be won for pleasurable ends through the mathematics of approaching a lot of women in the hopes of finding one who was horny and loose. When faced with a hard life decision, I would pray for guidance, but this decision was easy: the books had to go.
Effectively immediately, I will no longer sell the following:
- Game
- Day Bang
- The Best Of Roosh: Volume 1
- Poosy Paradise
- 30 Bangs
I have also deleted countless articles (both here and on Return Of Kings), YouTube videos, and podcasts that aimed to teach a man how to participate in a behavior that could sacrifice his salvation. I also deleted work that was just plain vulgar. Lastly, I removed the Game and Travel subforums from Roosh V Forum. By taking these actions, I want to impede or halt the spiritual damage that my work was doing.
Didn’t you spend hundreds of hours writing Game, releasing it less than two years ago? Yes. Didn’t you spend thousands of hours writing all the books and articles you no longer profit from, and are now ashamed of? Yes. Won’t this cause your income to drop so low that you will have to depend on savings for an indeterminable amount of time? Yes. Yet I lament more the colossal amount of time I wasted on these works than monies lost.
Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? —Mark 8:34-37
It’s worth noting how patient God was by not compelling me to complete a change I couldn’t handle. The first round of book unpublishing felt exceedingly stressful, and I wrestled with the issue for many days. God saw my distress and allowed my conscience to remain clear upon banning only some of the books, which still fell short of His expectations. He let me complete the tour with no worries about where my future income would come from. Once the tour was completed, and I rested for a month, he deemed me ready for the next step. He enlightened a fellow Christian to help re-activate my conscience, and then allowed me to complete the job of removing the rest of my books when I was spiritually stronger and more able to handle the prospect of not earning a sufficient income. This time around, I was only mildly afflicted for one night before becoming overjoyed at the prospect of making an honest living. I’m happy to announce my retirement as a peddler of sex.
I will have to make some adjustments on how I live. For many years my income exceeded my expenses and I got used to spending money on things I didn’t need. I accumulated material possessions—even while traveling—and stopped valuing the dollar. I will have to become a better custodian of the things I own. I will have to learn how not to be a consumer, and to only consume that which is spiritually profitable. I’m lucky I don’t have to start completely from scratch—I do have active internet platforms that are well-developed, and a small library of my works remain, but this is a challenge I did not imagine I’d have to face at forty years of age. Nonetheless, it’s the challenge I have to face, and I pray that God guides me through it.
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I beg of you to reconsider your un-publishing. Most men don’t know how to talk to women or attract women. Most men are ashamed and hate themselves for not even knowing where to begin in attracting or marrying a quality women. Without the knowledge or confidence to use modern-day tools that you passionately provided for a small fee, men will be left in a dark place of loneliness and unwanted-ness.
You can perceive your recently un-published books in multiple different ways of ethics and appropriateness, but all men need sex and relationships yet they are the most challenging goals to achieve. An orthodox Christian only sees one extreme side of your books and not what the masses of men see. They are 2 opposed perspectives and that one orthodox perspective shouldn’t be used as the main decision-maker. The greater good is giving men hope when men need it the most in this battlefield of love we call America.
It may be hard to see it today, but nothing was lost by unpublishing these books.
Roosh is right. Thinking you need a strategy to “get†women is antithetical to the type of self esteem that gets you women in the first place.
Jared, You said in three sentences what I took four paragraphs to say
Agree! I would say, here is your opportunity to write one better!
Roosh, you are growing and learning. The older you get the more your views will change and grow. One day you will enjoy the wisdom of wise old men who live alone in remote places. Your early works were not a waste but the result of social programming and a lack of knowledge clouded by hormones and basic human drive. Do not beat yourself up over this. The world is an impossible place filled with pitfalls and lessons. There are many good lessons in those early books. It is not knowledge but the intent that is the sin. Maybe work in the best elements of your early works into a new book that focuses on a more modern approach to a mans happiness and building a solid family unit. Even Max Tucker grew into realizing his short sighted ness. No matter how many women you get with, your happiness is not guaranteed.
Jason, how did Roosh go from a loveable chode to an oiled cog in the slut machine? Was it mainly by becoming a student of “game”, or was it by picking up his nuts, leaving his comfort zone behind, and getting hundreds of hours of experience meeting women?
You have been afflicted by a common malaise in the West, which is a combined dislike of real life learning and a desire to be a champion. Computer games are cancer in this regard. Learning is often slow, painful, boring, frustrating, humbling etc, and it never really ends. But it’s what you have to do as a man if you want success. Hoping that someone will give the cheat sheet to pass the test to success with women is nonsensical, but it appeals to people with the sickness I described, which is why so many of the game guru scammers used that idea in their marketing.
Be honest with yourself. How much time did you spend last year on activities that have no solid connection to building your value as man physically, mentally, financially, etc? If you aren’t sure, start keeping a journal today and log how you spend your time, and give each activity a score to represent how relevant it is to being a more attractive, experienced and financially stable man. Do the same for the people you spend time with (I don’t agree 100% when Dan Pena says show me your friends and I’ll show you your future, but it’s definitely an important consideration for young men, and ends up being true in many cases).
When women tell you to “man up”, it’s usually because they are manipulating you for their own ends. When a man in this arena says it, we are telling you that you have what it takes already, you just have to put the effort in, and eat the discomfort. So put the effort in, and start chewing, because no one can do this for you.
You like a slave to the pussy, no matter if you admit it or not.
Jason put it best. Some things in, “Game” made me cringe, e.g. “You have a happy walk” but a large part of it was Good, Solid advice for a young man who’s shy.
I admire your decison but I don’t agree with it…all the best to you, Roosh!
The reality is that most men DO know how to converse with and attract women. So Roosh has already squeezed everything he can out of the Game market, and it is now on to his next money making enterprise.
Your travel guides, especially “Dead Bat in Paraguay”, were very well written and unique. Your books “Bang” and “Day Bang” have provided countless young men the knowledge and confidence to get what they want and need from a decadent and rotten culture where nevertheless men still will always biologically desire not only sex, but more importantly female companionship. Remember men are the only true romantics and idealists in our heart of hearts and women are the stone cold realists who will regard you as less than nothing when she has no attraction to (or has lost her attraction for you) i.e., the “invisible man”.
Here is the thing: you can disavow your game past and strip the amazing website “Return of Kings” of many of it’s best articles despite all of the hard work of not only you, but more importantly the many contributors who believed in you and what you have facilitated for men. However, this is your most important legacy (and it is a huge one) – creating one of the only islands of learning and unity for MEN in the lost culture/society of the Anglosphere where men have no place to talk, strategize and learn from each other. I thought your life mission was helping your fellow brothers, which is extremely admirable because it goes against the grain of everything in a sick culture that worships female humans (the second sex in every way that matters) in a way that is contrary to the Bible, other Bronze age religions and the interest of the human species period.
Your work, to most guys anyway was never about the transitory goals of slaying pu$$y anyway; it was about giving men a sense of purpose and community in a culture that despises men and masculinity. You giving up on that is important because you are effectively extinguishing one of the only forums and outlets left for that. Obviously you have made your decision and it is your life, but realize it may have broad (largely negative) consequences for many good men out there that you will never meet.
The only lasting forum for Men to find True Masculinity is with G-d. Without the power of G-d, women will tread on you as they should for they initially have an edge spiritually….
@Jason; Yes Means Yes laws of 2016, plus the #metoo movement of 2017 effectively killed all forms of PUA in USA and Canada. Roosh was smart enough to see the writing on the wall and rebrand himself.
I encourage you in your journey, Roosh! Looking forward to your future writings!
From The Lizard Of Oz in 2015 –
It’s not a life-style, guy. We happen to believe Christ is King. And there’s nothing you can do about it.
Does anyone think Kanye West could have become a Christian singer mega-star and begin a revival among many groups across America (Millennials, poor inner city blacks, etc), if he had not produced years of non-Christian rap trash?? Surely not. Kanye’s “street cred” comes from his past “music”.
Same thing with Roosh. No one doubts Roosh’s “street cred” because of his extensive travels and activities, including his books and writings with women. Roosh would not have the platform he has today, had not been for his writings on PUA, Game, etc.
Kanye does not have to remove all his old gangsta rap songs from iTunes to have a valid Christian singer and revivalist career now. That is why I wish Roosh would not un-publish all his books. There is awesome knowledge there, which used with good judgement and good intentions can be of great value to men worldwide.
This is a deeply profound quote, and I have strange fear of the type of person who would frequent this board, yet downvote it.
I won’t go into my extensive history with religion, but I am most certainly one of the type of man described above, as is Roosh. Like so many long time readers here (I suspect), I was in no way ignorant of Christianity, but actually intimately familiar with it, what is good about it, and its weaknesses. We, all of us, if not actively disassociating from the world, are being forced to rethink the world. And because we cannot single handedly force a unifying framework into existence, do take satisfaction in useful, temporary ones.
Roosh was a true believer. It took genuine faith in what he was doing to throw himself through all that he did, in search of his prize. There is a reason he, and all us oldfags, found temporary salvation in this. It’s not because of Roosh himself–he was merely the canary in the coal mine, the first man to jump out of the plane. We all found ourselves in this awkward position bc we we lacked strength, and lacked opportunity. And we lacked religious leaders with courage or intelligence enough to show us how to manage real human affairs. This was our gauntlet we have all run, in order to win that ability back.
We were meant to go through this. Roosh was meant to go through this. We may amend our views to be more in line with natural law. But everything we’ve learned firsthand must be assimilated into our future religion, or our sons are doomed to repeat it. And our lessons are not only of people’s shortcomings, but more so of our own power, and ability to have fun. And finally, that Truth must be held loosely. Just like when choking the chicken.
Dont choke the chicken guys. Simply become comfortable with suspending disbelief. Therein shall ye be saved.
-KermitTheeFrog777
Proud of you. You did something amazing. You will be rewarded spiritually. Material things don’t matter.
The money will return. Have certainty in the Creator. Look at it as a blessing; you might find a girl who isn’t shallow during this time and loves you enough to sleep in a car with you if it comes to it. If someone can’t love you at your lowest, they don’t deserve you at your best. Don’t let this deter you from feeling worthy of finding a wife and creating a family.
Prayers.
Maybe you need to learn a practical trade like carpentry. Alongside this perhaps you can write a guide for Christian men to handle their wives, but realistically you’ll have to get married. Pray for wisdom, God will guide you.
You should have adapted the book. God is not against marriage or banging your wife. I believe also man should taste around a little bit. To understand the difference between good and bad wife material. And there are woman which are sluts. They were born sluts. And there´s nothing you can do to change it.
You are where you are today because of game. Which is a tool. Just like superman you can use it for good or evil. You went to far. And got burned. It´s just the way it is. You got a superpower and abuse it. Now you got sick of it because it corrupted you. Because it doesn´t bring pleasure. There´s still a phase you have to go through which is true unselfishness. Which you haven´t yet it seems.
Just like this guy learned Tai Chi. It´s the typical story of corruption of the soul. But some people must pass by it. I got out earlier than you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIKQCZDYfEI
I still feel like another undelying reason for you to delete all this work is because you simply don´t need it anymore. It´s no use to you. Or even if you need it the hassle attached to it is not worth to keep it. You are still calculating the return you receive. And until this utilitarian mindset changes you will not find true peace. Because what characterizes Christ above all things was His unselfishness. He gave his life for humanity.
Your savings did come from sinful work. So in the purity of principles you shouldnt use them. It´s very hard to entirely follow Christ. Because you just go absolutely broke. Unless you go to a monastery. And even there. There´s always a level of hipocrisy. You are chosing the blue pill. And pretend not to see the other stuff. It´s ok. You´re not some kind of punching bag.
In the end society has changed. And the elites decided they will no longer tolerate internet because it harms them more than helps. So you bail out before the door closed on you. You did in the end the right thing for you. And this is the most important thing. Because the same way you are taking care of yourself you will take care of your family.
Game is necessary. You can´t be a lamb in the middle of wolves. Still as I was reading the thread on the deletion of the subforums of travel and game and the complaints and was thinking what´s stopping this imbeciles from copy pasting the threads. And creating a new forum. Instead of bitching and demanding you to carry a burden which you no longer want. What bunch of cunts. The biggest problem with your community which i am a part partially was the shallowness. It wasn´t a real community. The anonimity and underground is a mistake.
Which all the best in this new journey.
I´ve read the other day a true man is someone people can rely on. And this is what I will strive to become.
It can’t be adapted in its current form. It’s like trying to adapt a recipe for frosted cake to one for meatloaf. You have to start from scratch.
“I believe also man should taste around a little bit. To understand the difference between good and bad wife material. And there are woman which are sluts. They were born sluts. And there´s nothing you can do to change it.”
The Bible says fornication as a single man or woman is sinful. SO, no, women are not born sluts. The fact is that men and women equally may lack the willpower to refrain from intercourse before marriage.
A mere name edit from ‘Game’ to ‘Devil’s Game’ would have sufficed too. Also letting the reader decide what to pay for content, would have resolved the issue nicely.
And contrary to the current snowflake beliefs, acknowledging your mistakes isn’t wrong, rather not improving on them, definitely is. So it wouldn’t actually do you any harm if others correctly summarised how wrong you were in that particular phase of your life.
Your public journey parallels my own private journey in many principle ways. It’s encouraging and inspiring to see you make decisions like this one. Doing the right thing almost always requires risk or sacrifice, and it’s a lot harder to walk the walk than it is to talk the talk.
Lots of folks will talk circles around themselves (I guess this is called hamstering?) and build vast ideological constructs to try to make it seem as though the antecedent passions they submit to are actually consequent passions brought about by their own will and reason. These are the folks who are protesting the un-publishing of your previous works. You’ve effectively caused every current reader who has ever used your works to build their framework of justification for fornication (justifornication??) to come face to face with the fact that their framework was built on something ENTIRELY outside of themselves: NOT on their own will and reason, but on the foundation of YOUR words and ideas; a foundation which is now being revoked, condemned, destroyed as untruthful and immoral.
Maybe these folks should cry harder.
Proud of you, Roosh.
The reaction has been angry in some quarters, especially on Twitter. I don’t think they’re mad because they can’t buy a pickup book, but because they know that the enabling support they receive from pursuing sex has been lessened. A lot of people have used my work/influence as justification to continue the practice, but now they will have to find that support elsewhere, which will be harder.
Roosh, the Lord will provide. Also, speaking of this, I would like to donate my tithe to you. This year, one of my spiritual goals is to give 10 percent of every paycheck I make to the Lord (a church that seeks God, a ministry that seeks God, etc). Well, I stumbled upon this today, and I get paid tomorrow, so, I would like to send you 10 percent. You are changing for God. And I wholeheartedly support the change.
Ecclesiastes 3 says that there is a time for everything. Perhaps there was something God used for somebody out there with Game, and it wasn’t the time just yet to give it up. I know I slowly but surely came back to the Lord through some of your material. But perhaps now, it is time. Seek the Lord. I would recommend even this too, perhaps write a new game book. One that has the principles, but also shares it in the Lord and the Godly sense. Not encouraging sex before marriage, but also sharing things of the Word. Seek God in this, and let Him guide you. Continue to read His Word.
Anyways my fellow brother in Christ, I pray the Lord continues to lead, use, and guide you. And please, share with me how I can donate. God bless. Think eternally always.
Please give it to someone who is in true need. If I need help, I will ask, but I’m okay right now. God bless you.
Cope. https://youtu.be/QZ8hefESt7c
I am not asking for money but if there’s any online job I can do for you for a small payment, I would be grateful e.g freelance writing, transcription, virtual assistant etc. I am currently unemployed, broke and suicidal. It’s people like Roosh that have kept me going.
our Lord used RoK to lead me from an apostate church to a great orthodox church … God’s mercy and grace give me hope
This is a sacrifice Roosh does for his faith. He is hurting himself financially. Whether we agree with this or not, I would call this courage and sticking to principles.
But can’t it be argued that the information in “Game” can be used to secure a potential spouse and to maintain your masculinity (and thus the sanctity of the marriage)?? Certainly that’s what I’m trying to use my copy for.
Sure, you could argue the book is good for training intelligence agents to infiltrate terrorist organizations and save lives. You could argue a lot of things, but you’re wasting your time on this one. The book was designed to help men have casual sex with damaged and foolish women, and it promotes that activity. It’s great that you aren’t using it for that purpose.
One of the ways many men have found the PUA community, or what used to be the PUA community, was going through a tough breakup or having a bad oneitis. Apart from the casual sex aspect, PUA was good at teaching young men about how women truly work so that they could have the upper hand in the relationship. Seems these days the deck is stacked against men, so every little bit of advice helps. But it’s up to Roosh, it’s his intellectual property after all.
Hello Roosh, as a long time on and off viewer, and a fellow Christian as well, I am asking you to somewhat rethink your plan in regards to your books.
The first is in regards to your sphere of influence, so to speak. Every new customer that you got to be interested in your pua books is someone who is more likely to receive your post-conversion message and be influenced by it. In a way, your books were a bit of an advertisement for you currently as well.
That said, its understandable that you see that the negatives outweigh the positives so you went ahead and banned them so as to not be on the bad side of God. However, why not make a marriage/Bible friendly alternative to them, for men?
There are a few large differences between modern day dating and marriage in Jesus’s time and before. Ill go over them here:
1) In OT times of ancient Israel, the Mosaic law (from Exodus/Deuteronomy/Numbers) gave much of the power for a girl’s marriage up to her father. Also, a woman’s virginity before marriage was also regarded highly. The Israelites were commanded not to intermarry with pagan’s of surrounding nations, so that meant they basically only married with each other. If a man seduced a unbethrothed woman, the woman’s father had the choice of forcing him to marry her of having him pay a fine. There is also a verse that if a man discovers his bride was not a virgin on their consummation bed, she got killed. Thats how important a woman’s virginity/sexual honesty is to God and to a proper marriage. Put these two together and we see that their was definite responsibility placed on a woman in regards to marriage.
During the marriage, only some women had the privilege of their husbands not being allowed to divorce them. Women could not initiate divorce.
2) Jesus amended some of the above law, in regards to divorce. He made it easier on women in that men could not divorce their wife outside of “sexual immorality”, for fear of causing their wife and themselves to commit adultery (from Matthew 5). However, women still could not initiate divorce.
3) Jesus also said in regards to marriage, “Let no man seperate what God has joined together”. This indicates some sort of divine appointment to marriage, which I am gonna have to reconcile with the following arguments I give.
As you already know, marriage is much different nowadays. Women have complete agency over who they marry, as opposed to their father. They also have complete agency for divorce. That means that women, who are almost always the pivotal decider in regards to sexual attraction and whose attraction towards their husband is the largest factor in a healthy marriage, can and oftentimes do initiate divorce, thus essentially causing the adultery scenario talked about in Matthew 5:31-32, although it may not be caused in this case due to the man not initiating the divorce, however this is a Biblical law gray area that its better to try and prevent. In fact, here’s a study that says that women initiate 70% of divorces!: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-third-wave/201705/who-initiates-divorce-more-often
This clearly coincides with the blackpilled/redpilled view in regards to dating.
Marriage rates are at an all time low, and divorce rates are at an all time high. We are at peak hypergamy and its only getting worse, women have more reason to not only slut around, but also date way above their smv. In other words, their standards continue to rise. These are facts to the modern dating market, and its clear the Biblical laws completely avoided these scenarios and culturally didnt allow them to take place.
This extends to the Christian sector of marriage as well. Heres a study done on the Christian rates of divorce: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/factchecker-divorce-rate-among-christians/
Among the more devout Christians, their rates are still pretty high. Among the non devout Christians, their rates are higher than the general secular population (most likely due to the marriage forming because the woman dated a man of, on average, lower comparative smv and later regretting it), and this is honestly terrible. Clearly, the general advice of the church has completely failed in regards to stopping marriage. The bluepilled advice of the church has failed in regards to marriage, and in part this is due to them ignoring the strict and what can be seen as harsh (unless you’re blackpilled) laws of the OT. Women’s sexual attraction and satisfaction was a very small factor in the OT marriage sphere. Nowadays its everything.
What this means is that you should repackage the knowledge you have compiled via your pua books, into marriage advice books for men. This is where that #3 point and the general black pill consensus on what causes attraction (looks – biggest factor, money, status, game) somewhat contradict. Does this mean that “working” to get and maintain a relationship is bad in regards to the Bible? Well, I definitely dont think so, as the Bible itself endorses labor, and never directly addresses this issue nor gives a second witness in regards to the above. Is it bad for a man to put in effort into keeping his marriage together, via generating more attraction from his wife? The Bible actually never says this (as the #3 point above only talks about the formation of two being married), but one must be careful not to put mammon first in the process.
Roosh has zero experience being married, a little bit of LTR experience, and he is a baby Christian. For him to write a book for married Christians now is a pretty silly idea. In a decade, sure, if he marries and has a family.
He has experience with women and experience in relationships (I think), he could do a preliminary book for something like this. Game is still a big deal when one is in a relationship.
Hi Roosh – I met you early last year in Warsaw. Good luck with your future and the new direction you’re embarking on. Stay positive and productive during these uncertain times. You’re a gentleman, and only good things will happen.
Warmest wishes,
Chris
“This time around, I was only mildly afflicted for one night before becoming overjoyed at the prospect of making an honest living.”
God takes care of those who serve him, you have nothing to fear, you have chosen the path of good.
I just went to Return of Kings and I’m seeing a yellow banner ad at the bottom of the page advertising:
“Game has finally arrived! Click here for full details.”
If you click you get the RoK article advertising the book.
Not complaining, but just a heads up.
Fixed!
(sorry for my english, this is not my first language)
Your books helped me to become a NORMAL guy. Without your books I would have been a suicidal, sad, virgin, looser. Your books helps incels – like my past self – to connect with women. This connection is not only physical connection it can turn into love, at least for a couple of years (as red pill states). Now I have a girlfriend, and I’m happier than ever! When I hug my girlfriend I feel happiness and in my mind I say thank you to You. I did not have a father who teached me how to be a man. Your books teached me this knowledge.
In the past, a couple of years ago, I had some kind of mental breakdown. My life did not go anywhere. I was 28 years old, virgin, never kissed a girl, never hold a girl’s hand. My life was a trainwreck, I had severe porn addiction. No full time job, living with my Mom. At the lowest low I asked God to help me. My family raised me as a Christian in my entire life, but I did not “pay attention” to my spiritual life at all, in practice I was not a Christian. This was the first time I prayed for real in my entire life. This was the first time I noticed God when he was with me. A thought came into my mind: God uses punishment as a guide: It navigates man to a better path. Without bad things the good things does not hold value. I had to dig deep down to the lowest low to realize how good my life is. That was the moment when I decided to delete my porn collection, and fix my life. I searched for self help books – and I found your book: Game. I read it and worked on myself. Fast forward to today – I have a GF and a happy life. Your book saved my life. Others say this is just an ordinary life – but for me who was deep down, depressed, suicidal this ordinary life holds so much value.
Please do not delete Game. For a guy who is a natural and good with woman the book is some kind of tool which he can use to have even more sex with woman. BUT for a looser guy, who just wants to start his life, and don’t want to die alone – the book is a life saver!
Guy from Hungary:
I’m very similar to you in many aspects. My parents divorced when I was 4 YO. I was raised by a single mom, who naturally wasn’t able to teach me how to be a man. My father disappeared soon from my life, so I was in a hard situation, as I see now.
I have never had too much success with girls, but I was not completely lost. I had a very few GFs in my life, 2 of them was very long LTRs, one is worse than another.
About 3 years ago the second one was over, when my GF said: “You are not a man!” At that moment I knew instinctively this relationship must be closed as soon as possible.
After the breakup I’ve started to google things, because at deep in me I felt something is wrong. It’s not normal that ALL of my GFs and my female friends (hah, beta! 😀 ) threat me as a piece of shit, without any respect.
I was trying to put 150% of effort to all of my relationships, and all the things just got worse and worse.
Then I found the manosphere and The Red Pill.
I’ve never felt that PUA “tricks” are useful for me, because I knew “ok, it helps me to get pussy, then what”? It offered a quick solution to get laid, but not so much about fixing my (real shitty) life and my mentality. I thought I must find some long term solution instead which led me finally to the “inner game” topic.
I admit the PUA perspective “fake it till you make it” should be successful too in the long run, but I wanted to go deeper in myself. To know and understand why and how I (and others) work inside.
All of the RP truths can help a man to realize how the world is working. What are the rules, and what YOU can do to have a better life by using these rules. It’s not about manipulating people or similar. Just pure knowledge about how to keep your frame, to know what you want (from others and yourself), to be honest, to have goal(s) in your life. These are basic and very easy principles, which help you to build a more successful life. (With some exercise 😉
What happened in the last 3 years?
I’m living in another city now. I’m paying about 2/3 rent as for my previous apartment. I’m working at the same company, but my salary is doubled since. I have a better job role in my work which make me proud of. Now I have some savings and some investments. Now I have loooots of time and more money to do what I really love. I don’t have those females who hold me back. As you can see I’m a MGTOW now, and I feel better than ever before.
The Red Pill knowledge, and it’s internalization helped me to interact with women, but most importantly it helped me much more to interact with men. The differences between the male and female communication has a very very huge impact on the relationship with my bosses, my colleagues, and with other guys in my life. Previously I didn’t have any frame, I communicated like a shy little pussy, I was always afraid about everything and everyone. Now I have some basic rules in my life, and (un)surprisingly the males around me respect them. This is how all we work.
Summarizing this wall of text, I would like to say… Yea, any of the RP posts, videos, podcasts, books, etc can be really a life-saver. (If not all of them…) Especially if you grow up in a family where you don’t have any real male example in front of you, just a bunch of brainwashed women. And/or when your beta father never tell you the truths of the world about how humans really work.
Those contents CAN change anyone’s life.
Final thought to @roosh-2 : I don’t agree with your point of view, when you say “oh, I really fucked up because now guys see girls as sex objects, and it’s only my mistake”. Women WANT to be sex objects, man… They see themselves as sex objects too. What’s the purpose of their lifelong beautification? The makeups, the pushup bras, the miniskirts, the jewelry, etc… To hunt/keep a man with high enough status, money and look. JUST WITH THEIR SEXUALITY. No internal value added. But I think you know that well.
And your way of thinking reminds me the nowadays worldwide accepted mentality about the “evil sex maniac dirty pig men who just take advantage of the poor innocent victim women” => Male=bad, evil ; female=good,victim. It sounds so bluepill to me, sorry to say that. :/
Anyway it’s so sad to hear that you stopped. It’s your life, your rules, your directions. I wish you prosperity on your journey to life. 🙂 Respect. \\//,
“Women WANT to be sex objects, man… They see themselves as sex objects too. What’s the purpose of their lifelong beautification? The makeups, the pushup bras, the miniskirts, the jewelry, etc… To hunt/keep a man with high enough status, money and look. JUST WITH THEIR SEXUALITY. No internal value added. But I think you know that well.”
You know, non-makeup-pushup-bra-miniskirt-jewelry women DO exist. Maybe you’ve conditioned yourself to be blind to them?
To objectify the women who seek objectification, rather than shunning them, is to submit the will to lust, which damages your ability to recognize and relate to the women who DON’T do that.
@kitty-tantrum
As I see, your response is a covert NAWALT, what is regular from women when a man points to the truth. And you was only able to pick up one sentence from my writing, and totally ignoring the surrounding context.
All woman want to be sexy, beautiful and desirable. Even the ugliest and fattest ones are dreaming about being sexy. It’s not about the skirts or makeup, or any material things.
It’s about females inner desire for being beautiful.
Haha, it’s an attempt to shame me after a NAWALT? You are funny.
The next will be that I’m a “bitter”, and “swallow” man who can’t find himself a REAL woman, isn’t it? 😉
It may be shocking, but I had GFs who were never those bitchy-looking types. They used makeup very very rarely, and they didn’t liked the whole miniskirt and high heels topic at all. They were demanding on themself, and they maintained their natural feminine look and beauty without any neccessary accessories.
I still know and notice new girls like those, because I like them much more than those plastic babes.
Great textbook example. The “damaged” man who doesn’t have “the ability” to recognize his soulmate, because of his fucking lust. Thanks for sharing, I’ve never heard that sentence previously. I really suggest you to you read my comment again carefully, you will notice I’m a MGTOW. I don’t need any female in my life.
Especially those with self-esteem problems, who seek for self-justification through bitching, or in a worse case who look for easy money or status.
Thank you for your pointless comment, I’ve learned something again.
As I stated before:
Awwww, that’s cute.
Roosh is just rationalizing to himself why he is taking his products down. But I have seen so many people online take down their stuff and keep it away from others.
My point is that it’s a pattern with these people that sell online. They get tired of the people even fed up with them. So they take their stuff away from people.
Troy Francis has even taken down all his books. The internet is no good for humanity. It has caused serious problems and trouble and turmoil with people around them.
Women are spying on my comment here as well as others. Because the internet makes it easier to control men because women now have a cache of info on guys they study up on.
Sad to see roosh go from one door of the matrix i.e. pua to another door of the matrix i.e. religion.
This comment has been cataloged for research purposes.
I found a very good sermon from a fellow called Archimandrite Philip explaining how following God can upset an apparently comfortable career. Saint Paul is obvious example of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YsNgQmqarY
Hope you like it.
I do admire you for following your heart, and in the end it will pay off, however you walked away from a niche business. You were at the very top of this business and were good, towering above your competition. It is unrealistic to expect your market (fan base) to switch gears and reinvent themselves in your new image and support you financially. When one reinvents themselves in business, they are usually jumping into a market where a long line of old pros dominant. Writing about religion or how to buy a car is great, but you can not compete with the industries built around these types of subjects. You give some good advice and I listen to what you say. Let me offer two small pieces of BUSINESS advice. #1 Give the customer what they want, not what you think they need. #2 Keep your options open. Most all of us hate hypocrites (I do), but smart men are almost always a bag of contradictions. It appears you want to use your old business model to market a new, undefined and morphing product, and I do see a little lack focus and direction. I am quite a bit older than you and have reinvented myself four times in my life, three of which were steps forward.
In any event, best wishes and in the end things will work out if you stay focused.
Roosh, there are different kinds of customers. Guys who google ‘how to get laid’ are very different customers than those googling ‘free speech isn’t free.’ I haven’t purchased any game books, but I buy a lot of books about culture, business, startups, philosophy, mindset, christianity etc. If you start a basic motivational series, do business building, personal or marketing coaching, you can still help people and earn money doing so. I’d personally like to see you do more politics and cultural commentary. I subscribe to Stefan Molyneux and buy Jordan Peterson’s work, as well as Milo’s. We need people to point out the degeneracy of the left and how they ruin our cities and our children. Nick Fuentes has potential too. BTW It was awesome being on ROK november 7th, 2016 with all the commenters. I never liked the game articles, but the cultural insights and wiser fellas in the comments were really helpful. It’s nice to know I’m not the only one thinking something is messed up with our culture.
Having already commented about the business side, I would like to comment about social aspects of your books. Banning books is never good. Your books contain true information that describes a segment of pop culture in the 21st century and establishes some relevant social truths of our time. I have read Marx, and I do not subscribe to his views, but understanding Marx is important in navigating our political landscape in an effort to create a better society. Banning Marx would be a big mistake. I think Game should be mandatory reading for every teenage boy, not as a path forward, but as a perspective on male / female interactions in today’s culture and an awareness of pitfalls and traps that are part of growing up. This is also true of Robert Beck’s work. ….Best wishes
Why not a wholesome version of Game that honestly seeks to understand them and suggest better ways to meet and connect with them?
them = women*
Jesus this is insane!! Does this stem from the MeToo movement? Is it because you have been condemned for exposing how to court women from different countries? By understanding how culture and society have influenced women to act in a non natural way. Even perfect men have difficulty getting women in the US to the point many of your followers have gone to south america and Europe for easier and higher quality women.I have all your books im sad about return of kings content being taken off. Well take good care Roosh….as for myself i will be headed to Europe…God Speed my friend
Dear Roosh, Praise the Lord, I have prayed that you would see the light. Honestly didn’t think it would be this fast, but G-d is miraculous above all flesh, Welcome to the family, perhaps you can do the opposite now and lead men to see Women and G-d in a New Light!!! Bless you, A follower in Yehoshua Christ.
I strongly commend you for making this tough and difficult decision Roosh. I have followed your work since the age of 20 and it is incredible to see the transformation that has occurred over the past seven years for yourself. I myself actually used some of your earlier work to help with “game”, but in the past couple years had actually became more distressed by the casual sex that is rampant everywhere today. Likewise, I had moved from USA and now live in Eastern Europe, but fortunately I am still young enough that I can take lessons your recent work that was promoted in the last few years. Like yourself also I am a Christian, and had to make some tough financial sacrifices this year , as they were not in accordance with God, but can tell you, bigger and better opportunities will come your way that are also more wholesome. In the long-term, only through individual efforts of people such as yourself can change happen to such a corrupted society. One last thing, have you considered making a trip to Russia, the Orthodox Christian church is really growing in that country and may align with your current path. There are so many amazing things to experience in Russia. I spent 6 months living in St. Petersburg, Russia, and that is an amazing city to begin with in Russia!
Game is not a sin! YOu need to inpire single men!! Otherwise human being will extinct.
CHurchs dont help single men anymore!
Sin is not to help single men!!!
Dont be fooled by stone head people!!
Are you Trolling us?..You’re the last person I’d expect this from. Doesn’t that make you an apostate?..Has your family tried to kill you cause of the Muslim thing?
This move is very shortsighted. The fact is, in today’s world, if you can’t get a women into bed, you can’t get married. I’m not saying you have to have sex before marriage in order to get into marriage, but I am saying if you don’t have the ability to get laid, you do not have the ability to attract even a conservative girl, unless you settle for an ugly fat girl or a post-wall total whore.
“Game” is needed for the men who don’t know how to escalate attraction and get out of their own way. I’ve lived in very religious community my entire life. Almost every man I grew up with who now has a traditional family and several children, eventually figured out how to “game” women on his own. He didn’t need your books. And, sad to say, every single man I know who slept around a little in his youth is now married with children. The virgins are the ones who are old and unmarried.
Every man I know who can’t figure out how to work women, who couldn’t get laid even if his religion allowed it, is not married. He can’t have the family he wants. Frankly, he needs to learn how to sleep around if he’s ever going to achieve his family goals.
Me getting a 6-pack enables me to bang way more women. Me studying female nature enables me to bang more women. The 6-pack itself is not the problem, nor is the education, as vulgar as it may be. It’s what I do with it.
Release a new version of Game with a new introduction telling people not to sin. But the knowledge in the book is too valuable for many of today’s men for you to quit publishing.
Is your material similar to that of Chateau Heartiste?
Roosh is like the guy who goes to a buffet before all the guests have arrived, eats all the food, then tells everyone that they shouldn’t eat because gluttony is a sin. Meanwhile, he has stuffed his face and gorged until his belly is full.
There is nothing “enlightened” or courageous about Roosh’s actions. His actions simply align with his increase in age and his falling testosterone levels. I find it incredibly hypocritical that he should preach the Lord and sexual abstinence to men in their twenties (whose testosterone levels are raging) when Roosh simply no longer has the same sexual drive he once did. Overall, he seems to show a profound lack of insight and ability to empathize with men of a younger age.
Roosh is not the first person to turn to religion to try to compensate for an imbalance in his life. This path is predictable. The reformed alcoholic who turns to religion; the sex addict who finds savior in religion; the criminal who turns to Jesus to atone for his sins. It’s a story as old as time and it’s loaded with hypocrisy.
Men have a wall of their own (not as much as women), and Roosh is reaching it. A bitter pill to swallow for any PUA. It’s just too coincidental that this turnaround happened when young desirable women are increasingly out of reach. This is the crisis that any PUA will have to eventually come to terms with, and this may be the motivation why one of the PUA masters is betraying something so valuable. At that age, gaming cougars or getting married with overseas girls could be options, but there’s no reason to go scorched earth of what was so valuable when one was better to take advantage. When I’m an old boomer I will be thankful for the PUA wisdom in the prime non wall years.
Roosh, seriously, you’ll need the money, re-publish Game.
Glad you have found realization at long last. However, the game problem can be fixed in a way: publish another book that instead leads men to value women and even considers adding red flags when choosing a mate. To view women as nothing but bang material would instead continue that cycle that has dominated and source of all forms of toxic traits, however, to glorify women would end up disastrous as well as women are the best manipulators.
A book that aids men in female psychology, traits, tendencies, and value would help you with that problem. Especially if it includes the way to talk to a woman, how to find the right woman, which to avoid and so forth: A way to teach men to approach with a lower risk of failing.
However, in the book as well should be a way to critique women without insulting them would help. In the Western world, marrying is already suicide and every divorced man knew that. The book should also include how to tell the loyalty, morality, quality and risks in a kind of woman and how to tell it in due time. Men would need such information before they get train-wrecked on the way.
Godspeed Roosh!!!
Anyone who doubt’s Roosh’s sincerity of his conversion and change of heart towards Christ, here is the proof. NO MAN gives up his main source of income for the sake of nothing. Men live with purpose and reason. If Roosh is willing to go this far for Christ’s sake, he is serious.
With that said, I need to say that Roosh’s writings, largely through the creation of Return of Kings and his Game books changed my life. I have been a serious Christian for years, since I was a teenager. But as a Gen X’er just a couple years younger than Roosh, I grew up in a great time to be a teen (i.e. high school in middle America was awesome, girls were pretty and feminine, the country was safe, at peace, and fairly prosperous).
But the entire society around me was changing at a rapid pace. By the early 2000s, 2004 specifically, I realized that “something was wrong” with our society and dating within a Christian and even church context. Because I am one of these “scoundrels with a heart of gold”, a Christian who was troubled by a world that changed for the worse very quickly, I still managed to meet girls. I had enough “bad boy” within a Christian worldview to meet quality women and ended up marrying a high quality woman before I turned 24 and it lasted until her passing 12 years later.
The point is: something was wrong with our society, churches, and dating/marriage systems, that was clear. I just could not put all the pieces together and figure out a coherent response and adjustments to make things easier and better. That is where Roosh, Heartiste and Return of Kinds came in. Their writing changed my life because it “red-pilled me”. The truth was right there and obvious. When I read Bang and Day Bang, it was like a light-switch, some of my techniques were right, but I was too afraid to deploy some of them. It immediately improved my game and dating strategies, even. I ended up LTRing a woman that was a solid +1 point higher than me (normally, I would stick to women with my SMV). It had been a while since I got a +1 on a woman in an LTR and it was thanks to the strategies I learned. Also I never approached at Starbucks (I never go to Ripoffbucks, but started to, just to talk to ladies after Day Bang) and leave.
Besides that, it goes beyond just talking to women. There is much more to life than meeting women. The entire purpose of Roosh’s writings, in my life overall, has been to be “Red Pilled”.
Roosh, your writings have meant a lot to tens of thousands of men worldwide. I know today you seem troubled by some of your writings of the past, but the reality is that your writings (and other works, namely, Return of Kings) have made incalculable lives better. You Red-Pilled men by the tens of thousands. That alone is a legacy you should never shy away from.
To think your books were just teaching men fornicate is simply too simplistic. That would be like reading a book about effective shooting tactics and thinking that the writer was teaching others to mass-murder. Life is much more nuanced.
Remember that knowledge can be used for good or evil. When I read Bang Ukraine, I did not do it to randomly sleep with women in Ukraine left and right. I read it because I did not want to get scammed and had not idea what to expect in a place like Ukraine. The knowledge was used for good, not evil. It can be used to meet a decent woman for marriage, for instance. It can be used as a guide to deal with Ukrainian women in general, in a non-relationship situation or as a warning about some of older type men, like drunk old sailors looking for trouble in Odessa, for instance.
Remember: an individual decides whether to use ANY knowledge for good or evil. One can read a book on firearms to be good at self-defense or to hurt others. One can learn about economics to destroy and vulture-out the wealth away from poor countries (like Soros) or to help make an economy work for all Americans, like Trump.
Discernment and good judgment are key attributes to quality Christian man. Using knowledge that may seem to be have been written nefarious purposes, but use it for good, is not bad in itself. That is only problem with un-publishing all your books. One will miss out in valuable knowledge on a variety of topics, not just on how to meet and talk to women.
There is a tremendous amount of GOOD in your writings (yes, even Bang series or Game) and I hope you can see that as well. My .02 cents on the matter.
Goooooooo, Roosh! May the Most High bless you beyond comprehension, for you obeyed Him in the face of uncertainty and instability. There is no greater honor than laying it all down for the King. I know He is well pleased. (Psalm 103)
Men have a wall of their own (not as much as women), and Roosh is reaching it. A bitter pill to swallow for any PUA. It’s just too coincidental that this turnaround happened when young desirable women are increasingly out of reach. This is the crisis that any PUA will have to eventually come to terms with, and this may be the motivation why one of the PUA masters is betraying something so valuable. At that age, gaming cougars or getting married with overseas girls could be options, but there’s no reason to go scorched earth of what was so valuable when one was better to take advantage. When I’m an old boomer I will be thankful for the PUA wisdom in the prime non wall years.
Cisco, it is not so much that men have a “wall” around them as women have a “shield” around them. Women’s “bitch shield” today has to do with societies over-privileging females at the expense of males, so they become entitled and create a “BitchShield” after receiving so much attending from SIMPs and Betas via online and smartphone means.
While the days where women were victims of kidnapping, rape, and being sold into slavery by some foreign country or rival tribe are long gone. And yet, most women today continue to live as if they still suffer from War Bride Syndrome. But the reality is that modern women live in societies catered to their ever need and want.
Men, meantime, do not enjoy such benefits. Men today are constantly under attack. Mini Mike Bloomshitberg confessed the state of modern urban America in a simple statement: “slam every male between 18 and 25 against a wall and search them for guns”. If you happen to have light-skin, even if you are Hispanic or mixed-race man (of any kind) with fair/light skin, you will be attacked even more viciously in our society. Men are viewed as abusive and violent against women, rapists, and scoundrels who are jobless, are sexual harassers at work, or are criminals. Or deadbeat dads, if they are truly beta.
Women in Western societies are NOT under attack at all, not even one-tenth of 1% of men experience on a daily basis. Women claim victimhood 24/7, they get throngs of benefits from virtually no punishment for crimes that men spend decades in prison for, they get preference in job hiring, college scholarships completely unavailable to men, preferential in SBA loans, overwhelmingly favorable family law rulings on gaining property, keeping the couple’s main family residence, get a ton in alimony, child support, and have almost full child custody in every situation, and so much more. Oh yeah, and women face zero risk of being falsely accused of sexual harassment or a false rape accusation.
So when you say that some “men have a wall” around themselves, it may, just maybe, have something to do with the amount of animosity and attacks we receive? *roll eyes*
BTW, most guys seek out to become “competent” in modern society relationship dynamics from learning Game and taking the Red pill, not becoming PUAs. They learn Game for relationship and marriage management, not to become pre-conversion Roosh or Roissy/Heartiste.
Did you guys see that Johnny Depp was being falsely accused by his insane wife, Amber Heard, of domestic violence… and she is caught on video faking whole thing and she is one who attacked him.
Then she admits: no one will believe you! You are a white man!
https://www.sausageroll.com.au/entertainment/movies/amber-heard-exposed-in-new-audio-nobody-will-believe-a-white-male/
Listen to it yourself..
THAT is why guys have a”shield” these days, my man. Not an irrational response.
Amen brother. Wow! What a journey of repentance! It reminds me of when former sorcerers in the book of Acts burned millions of dollars of their scrolls. I also feel you and Solomon could commiserate about a lot of things. Anyway, I’m rooting for you.
With your new found perspective I would be curious about what you think of the book “Wild at heart”. Also sort of unrelated, but I would highly recommend the BEMA podcast.
Roosh, don’t ever think you were pushing minute to sin by your books.
I was helped so much by your website and it really helped me get a feel of the world to actually hear from men about issues instead of political ideologues it were too afraid to actually speak the truth.
You’re growing up more and hopefully God willing you’ll have a good family, but so many men have to get past the stage in their lives and you were helpful don’t ever regret that OK.
There are so many men that try to be good that fall for really bad women who are manipulators and liars regardless of whether they’re devout Christian or not even if it’s hard truths I think that that’s what you contributed.
No exaggeration from me that Roosh’s website and books helped my life tremendously. Return Of Kings and Heartiste were my 2 sources when I was initially getting fully-Red Pilled after spending years with an eye-dropper of diluted Red Pill water. RoK and Heartiste fully Red Pilled me once and for all. And when I took the RP, I was married and had been Christian all my life.
It is a real shame that so many pages from RoK and this site were removed. 🙁 They contained knowledge of the ugly truths of male-female relationships.
One article from RoK that was removed was about 21 signs she is a slut. Man, that article is a life-saving fountain of knowledge to help men from having their lives destroyed.
I agree with Justin, Roosh’s writings were not pushing sin. They were pushing truth and that has touched the lives of millions of men worldwide, even many Christian men who saved their marriages or became better men thanks to Roosh’s works.
You did a right thing, deleting, unpublishing and banning that filth. And you are doing the right washing yourself from it and publicly saying that what you did was wrong. Do not let the Enemy fool you. This is the real test.
The harder it feels the bigger the reward. Everything is for the purpose of test.
God gives what He wants to whom He wants. Blessed is He.
And a believer should not worry about anything except to fulfill God’s will and be loyal to Him.
And Lord of the Universe does not have a son. Jesus Christ was the messenger sent to mankind by God, but not the son of the Allmighty.
There is only One God and He begets not, nor was He begotten and there is no co-equal or comparable unto Him. (Quran)
What to say in front of this train wreck? This whole charade of ‘holier than thou’, ‘let me burn my books in public’, is actually not Christian. It’s Pharisian.