Atheists commonly ask why bad things happen if we were created by God. If God is all good, shouldn’t we exist in Paradise right now, never encountering suffering for even a moment? This barbarian argument shows a lack of understanding of God’s will and His plan of salvation for all of mankind.

Unfortunately, we have inherited a fallen world from Adam and Eve, who went against God’s commandments and were expelled from the first human Paradise, the Garden of Eden. Because of their sin, we were not born in Paradise or get to experience anything resembling Paradise and direct communion with God in this life. In case you are thinking that it’s not fair we have to inherit a fallen world from the sins of our ancestors, is it also fair that you inherit intelligence, health, physical vigor, and other gifts from your parents? Is it fair that the God-man Jesus Christ had to suffer excruciating pain to remit your sins while all you have to do is follow Him? Inheritance works both ways, and we should not grumble that we live in a fallen world when we would have certainly committed the same sin as Adam and Eve.

God has given us freedom and refuses to impinge on that freedom. He does not want slaves, and will not force you to accept his commandments or the Gospel. You have the free will to choose the course of your human life and ultimately the eternal state of your soul. This is the same choice He gave to the angels. Many decided to not serve God because of their pride, and they became demons, who spite God by attempting to corrupt and tempt human beings that were made in the likeness of God. God is like a father who allows his grown-up son to choose his path in life, even if that path will lead to disaster. The father will certainly warn his son about the danger of the wrong path, but he will not shackle and force him to serve his will. This is why it’s commonly stated that those who will reside in hell made the choice for hell through all the choices and actions they made in life.

Because we were born in a fallen state, prone to committing sin, and because we abuse our freedom in order to commit evil, no doubt aided by whisperings from the demons, God allows bad things to happen to us to cure our spiritual sickness. Bad events in our life, whether poverty, heartache, or bodily ailments, are the bitter doses of medicine that—at least for a moment—detaches us from the world to make us think of the meaning of our lives, and how without a personal God, life is pointless and all is vanity of vanities. God allows bad things to happen to us, if not horrible things, because He loves us and wants us to be saved, because He is all-love, and if bad things never happened to us, we would become firmly fixated onto things of this world and thereby lose our souls for all eternity. Difficult trials are the violent shake one gives to a sleeping laborer—“Wake up, lazy servant!” It’s not pleasant to wake up in such a way, but otherwise we would not wake up.

Oftentimes we do not lead a careful life and we take a wrong turn. God then puts up a barrier to stop our downhill slide. The barricade He raises may be extremely harsh, severe, and bitter. Man usually objects to the affliction and misfortune; however, like a wise physician, God uses these means to cure evil. Countless people attribute their return to God to a certain distressing adversity in their life. —The Art of Salvation by Elder Ephraim of Arizona

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Temptations, hardships, and sorrows that rise against us (either from the devil, from others, or from the world we carry within us) are medicines. They are all sent and given by God’s providence to us, in order for us to regain the lost health of our soul. The health of the soul and heart consists of dispassion, holiness, and true well-being, which will extend into the next life as well. —Ibid

I know a woman who is far from God. A year ago, she came down with a flu-like illness. While bedridden, she spoke of prayer and uttered the word “God” way more often than before. It seemed that the illness was acting as a bridge for her to enter the Church and begin spiritual life, but once her body healed, she forgot about God and went back to her previous ways. I would expect—and maybe even hope—that God sends her a bigger trial so that she repents and keeps her heart on God for the rest of her earthly life.

I know a man who is close to God. His lifelong dream was to become an architect. He wanted to design buildings that would bring happiness to those who could enjoy his work. That dream was put in jeopardy when the coronavirus vaccine mandates hit the corporate world for much of last year. Because he is against abortion and vaccines that use fetal cells, it looks like he will eventually be squeezed out of a profession that was his goal since he was a child. He’s not murmuring against God or cursing his fate. Instead, his faith in God grows even stronger, because he realizes that any career in this life is only temporary, and that the only dream worth having is to rest eternally with the Lord.

After January 1941, hundreds if not thousands of young men were arrested and convicted [by Romanian communists] for [contrived reasons]. Driven by earnest aspirations, idealistic but a bit confused, open toward spirituality but without a solid spiritual foundation, they matured through suffering and were spiritually purified in prison. —The Saint Of The Prisons by Monk Moise

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If a person can easily find out how much weight oxen or other chattel can bear, then how much more does the endless wisdom of God know about the limits of suffering of each individual soul? A potter knows how long he has to keep his clay vessels in the fire. If he keeps them there too long, they burn up, but if he removes them early, they will be weak and useless for daily tasks. How much more, then, does God know how strong the fire of temptations should be for the spiritual vessel of God—the Christian—in order for him to become capable of inheriting the kingdom of heaven. —The Field by Saint Ignatius Brianchaninov

My life is easy right now. I’m not going through major health problems or worldly trials, and for that reason I’m concerned. I’m getting too comfortable reading books underneath my wool blanket and baking various cakes that satisfy my sweet tooth. I know I’m only one or two temptations away from once again becoming a son of the world. I’m not confident enough to ask God for a difficult trial, but I know He loves me, and He will give me one that I need when I need it. The way the world is going, we will all face trials that—had we been forewarned—we would have immediately fallen into despair because of the difficulty, beyond anything that we experienced in our past, but God will send them to us when we’re ready because we need them to be saved. Otherwise, we’d fall into the trap of becoming addicted to secular comfort and carnal pleasure.

I don’t want to experience difficulties because my fallen flesh is weak, but I must face them just like our Lord Jesus Christ faced them when He was on this earth. He is the template, the role model, the master who shows us what it takes to be rewarded after this life with the Eternal Kingdom, and so I eagerly await the hard times, because I know it’s the medicine that my sick soul needs. May the Lord God heal us all with the most painful of trials that He knows we can overcome in order for our souls to be saved.

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Without evil love would not exist. It is manifest so that the soul can see and choose that which it is NOT. How can a being know what love is if it has not experienced the opposite. How can one know the light without knowing darkness.
Humans are created in the image of GOD the creator. We manifest all our reality. Bad things happen to people because that is what that soul manifests and attracts into its reality with its thoughts, words and actions.

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Suffering is the currency of God. Without suffering I would've not been anywhere where I am today. Suffering is a blessing in disguise, the only factor that leads to true progression, as without suffering there's no motivation to do anything. Life (God) doesn't give you what you want is an old adage and very true.

The idea that life ought to be easy is one of the more obvious secular lies out there and the delusion that comes forth from it takes many people by surprise when suffering kicks in, something most of us including myself are aware of by (unneccesary) experience.

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Without evil love would not exist. It is manifest so that the soul can see and choose that which it is NOT. How can a being know what love is if it has not experienced the opposite. How can one know the light without knowing darkness.
Humans are created in the image of GOD the creator. We manifest all our reality. Bad things happen to people because that is what that soul manifests and attracts into its reality with its thoughts, words and actions.

I would argue that love can exist without evil. Will there be any evil in Paradise, after the Final Judgement? Love can exist without evil, as evil is absence of love, not necessarily an opposite of it.

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This is something I struggle with as of recent... It almost seems sadisitc at times. Like I am going to make you flawed and drawn towards things you shouldn't do and I will add one of my lost angels to make sure you have every opportunity to partake in that which you so desire at every turn. That lost angel will prey on you seemingly your whole life and always throw that temptation around you... But just dont do it and pray and you will be fine.

This is not blasphemy, I am not a Atheist. This is just something I find myself struggling with with age.

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I would argue that love can exist without evil. Will there be any evil in Paradise, after the Final Judgement? Love can exist without evil, as evil is absence of love, not necessarily an opposite of it.

In our limited perspective you are correct but in the higher dimensional reality all souls go to heaven eventually once they have experienced the full spectrum of all here on earth and of their own free will choose LOVE. Look how quickly we take our health for granted. imagine you have never felt pain or been sick or even seen it in another. How can you understand or appreciate Health until you have experienced the opposite? A soul can not CHOOSE love until it has experienced the opposite.

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Suffering is the currency of God. Without suffering I would've not been anywhere where I am today. Suffering is a blessing in disguise, the only factor that leads to true progression, as without suffering there's no motivation to do anything. Life (God) doesn't give you what you want is an old adage and very true.

The idea that life ought to be easy is one of the more obvious secular lies out there and the delusion that comes forth from it takes many people by surprise when suffering kicks in, something most of us including myself are aware of by (unneccesary) experience.

LOVE is the currency of GOD. LOVE is GOD. GOD is ALL. I am GOD. YOU are GOD. Just like white light is the sum of ALL visible frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum so too Love is the sum of ALL frequencies of the heart.

Life (God)[YOU] doesn't give you what you want is very true indeed because to WANT something is to acknowledge its absence. YOU being the GOD creator that you are, manifest into your reality the absence of want you want by your feelings of its absence.

Do NOT want. Feel Grateful for having it already and it will be given.

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The three eminent good works (of Catholicism) are Prayer, Fasting, and Almsgiving. It is so easy to forget the last of these three. It is the one I focus on when I feel that I'm blessed with a life that seems too easy.

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Without evil love would not exist.

So you think love is conditionally dependent on evil? Sorry bud, but I am going to have to say ANATHEMA to that one.

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In our limited perspective you are correct but in the higher dimensional reality all souls go to heaven eventually once they have experienced the full spectrum of all here on earth and of their own free will choose LOVE. Look how quickly we take our health for granted. imagine you have never felt pain or been sick or even seen it in another. How can you understand or appreciate Health until you have experienced the opposite? A soul can not CHOOSE love until it has experienced the opposite.

So no one goes to hell (in your opinion)?

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So you think love is conditionally dependent on evil? Sorry bud, but I am going to have to say ANATHEMA to that one.

No. They are polar opposite concepts of a bipolar system. Good, bad, and everything in between. As to not derail the thread, Once I can create a post here I will try to explain with more basic fundamental concepts of the creation of the universe, as the GOOD - BAD polarity is very complex. To fully understand you need to start from the begging of creation, when there was only Darkness and the first polarity was created, LIGHT.

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So no one goes to hell (in your opinion)?

No of course not. What use does GOD have to punish himself for eternity for disobeying himself... Hell and even the devil are a man made concept used to control the populations. Thats not to say things will not get hellish in ones life if one makes many bad decisions based on fear instead of LOVE. Or things will not get hellish on earth if the population as a whole acts predominantly on Fear instead of LOVE.

All souls make it to heaven eventually even Hitler, Amschel Rothschild and Mao Zedong. They just are taking the long way. And their mistakes serve as learning to help other choose LOVE more easily.

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This is a Christian forum. This is not what Christians believe.

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No of course not. What use does GOD have to punish himself for eternity for disobeying himself... Hell and even the devil are a man made concept used to control the populations. Thats not to say things will not get hellish in ones life if one makes many bad decisions based on fear instead of LOVE. Or things will not get hellish on earth if the population as a whole acts predominantly on Fear instead of LOVE.

All souls make it to heaven eventually even Hitler, Amschel Rothschild and Mao Zedong. They just are taking the long way. And their mistakes serve as learning to help other choose LOVE more easily.

This is a very dangerous idea to be spreading and preaching.

To paraphrase your idea: You can be as bad as you want and still go to heaven.

Anyone who believes this and ends up in hell (for other, unrelated sins) are going to be in for a rude awakening that they have been deceived.

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No of course not. What use does GOD have to punish himself for eternity for disobeying himself... Hell and even the devil are a man made concept used to control the populations. Thats not to say things will not get hellish in ones life if one makes many bad decisions based on fear instead of LOVE. Or things will not get hellish on earth if the population as a whole acts predominantly on Fear instead of LOVE.

All souls make it to heaven eventually even Hitler, Amschel Rothschild and Mao Zedong. They just are taking the long way. And their mistakes serve as learning to help other choose LOVE more easily.

You may be interested in this article: http://orthodoxinfo.com/death/nde.aspx

The Orthodox teaching on death, judgment and the afterlife differs greatly from the New Age model as expressed in currently popular interpretations of the NDE. The New Age view of NDEs is based on the presumption that NDEs represent a genuine foretaste of the afterlife, in which all souls, whether repentant or not, will be united with a tremendously loving, accepting, and non-judgmental superbeing—the so-called being of light—whose exact identity is left unspecified. No matter what one may do and believe in this life, New Agers suggest, this mysterious superbeing will forgive even hideous acts as merely part of the individual's learning process. No mention is made of repentance or spiritual struggle.

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No. They are polar opposite concepts of a bipolar system. Good, bad, and everything in between. As to not derail the thread, Once I can create a post here I will try to explain with more basic fundamental concepts of the creation of the universe, as the GOOD - BAD polarity is very complex. To fully understand you need to start from the begging of creation, when there was only Darkness and the first polarity was created, LIGHT.

Why do Christians need to know very complex concepts of the creation of the universe?

Your posts /content on this article thread is a reminder for Christians to heed John's message in The Second Book of John.
In summary 2 John 1: 9 - 11 sets the tone.

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To paraphrase your idea: You can be as bad as you want and still go to heaven.

Thats not what I am trying to say.

A soul goes to heaven when it chooses LOVE in all its thoughts and actions, when It chooses TRUTH in all its words. Hitler's soul does not go to heaven after death. It gets to come back over and over until it remembers it IS LOVE and TRUTH. maybe it chooses to experience life as Ann Frank to understand from experience that anything less than LOVE and TRUTH is not the way.

Do you believe that ALL souls are on earth for the first time? That at the time of death there is binary decision of eternal suffering or bliss? That the entry to heaven's only requirement is to not to be bad.. God does not make mistakes. Nor is god petty, vengeful or care what path a soul chooses. God forgives all for GOD is LOVE, kindness and forgiveness and TRUTH. The CREATOR is not god of Cristian's. The creator is god of ALL, and loves all regardless of if you are Christian or Jew, man or woman, human animal or plant.

Personally it is not the threat of eternal suffering that motivates me to strive for LOVE and TRUTH. And repentance is tool to reach LOVE and TRUTH regardless of you believe in hell or not.

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Thats not what I am trying to say.

A soul goes to heaven when it chooses LOVE in all its thoughts and actions, when It chooses TRUTH in all its words. Hitler's soul does not go to heaven after death. It gets to come back over and over until it remembers it IS LOVE and TRUTH. maybe it chooses to experience life as Ann Frank to understand from experience that anything less than LOVE and TRUTH is not the way.

Do you believe that ALL souls are on earth for the first time? That at the time of death there is binary decision of eternal suffering or bliss? That the entry to heaven's only requirement is to not to be bad.. God does not make mistakes. Nor is god petty, vengeful or care what path a soul chooses. God forgives all for GOD is LOVE, kindness and forgiveness and TRUTH. The CREATOR is not god of Cristian's. The creator is god of ALL, and loves all regardless of if you are Christian or Jew, man or woman, human animal or plant.

Personally it is not the threat of eternal suffering that motivates me to strive for LOVE and TRUTH. And repentance is tool to reach LOVE and TRUTH regardless of you believe in hell or not.

What denomination are you?

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Yes Do It Yourself. My love for the Creator stems from studying all religions and faiths. I believe the greatest TRUTH comes from direct communication with the Creator and the words from those closest to God such as Jesus Christ and Siddhartha Gautama.

"Radiate boundless LOVE towards the entire world" amen

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