Introduction To Danish Culture

Denmark is one of those countries that saw glory several hundred years ago, lost its power, and then reinvented itself into a mostly pacifist nanny state. Thanks to its participation in the NATO alliance, Denmark has reasonably low military expenditures that—with its high tax rates—allow it to divert funds into social programs, in which it ranks among the best in the world.

The Danish welfare state is admirable: every citizen receives fully covered cradle-to-grave services. A Danish person has no idea what it feels like to not have medical care or free access to university education. They have no fear of becoming homeless or permanently jobless. The government’s soothing hand will catch everyone as they fall. To an American like myself, brainwashed to believe that you need to earn things like basic health care or education by working your ass off, it was quite a shock.

The biggest surprise was that the Danish government pays people to attend university for both undergraduate and graduate degrees. In addition to having health care costs covered and access to cheap rent, all students receive at least a $1,000 a month stipend to attend class. Along with part-time jobs that pay high wages, the average Danish twenty-something lives a pretty comfortable life getting educated to eventually follow a straightforward career path in a country where nearly full employment seems to be the rule.

Even if you don’t get a job, the government will pay you each month until you do. Do you feel like taking a little hiatus to a foreign country? As long as you can show you’re taking part-time classes, the government will keep the cash flowing. For a lower-class American, becoming a Danish citizen is almost like winning the lottery.

How is Denmark able to afford this? Two ways: they spend a third less of their GDP on the military than we do, and they tax the hell out of their citizens. Tax rates start at 40% and tilt above 50% for the top classes. My effective tax rate last year as an American resident was 20%, so the question I’ve asked myself is if I’d want to double my tax for not having to worry about being homeless or getting a serious disease. I’m leaning towards no, since of course one day I’m going to be a billionaire like every other American and don’t want half of it taken away. I would actually save money by being taxed at 20% and getting private health insurance, but then again I’m middle-class and can afford it. America is great if you have money, but Denmark is great for everyone.

What surprised me most about Denmark is their healthy job market. It’s almost guaranteed that a job will await every Dane after graduation, and I’m not talking about crappy jobs at McDonald’s or Walmart, but well-paying career positions. After taxes and the exorbitant high prices for basic goods, Danish people still live comfortably. No one is starving and you’ll have to look hard to find homeless people.

It’s no accident that the American media isn’t eager to discuss the many citizen benefits that countries like Denmark have. They are quick to do profiles on poor countries in the third-world, but they rarely write about the extensive services Scandinavian countries provide for all of their citizens, regardless of race or class. When they do talk about these countries, it’s usually about how budget cuts are looming for their “ailing” social models, as if the average American citizen is doing far better.

Unfortunately, there is a cost to providing your citizens everything they possibly need: you make them averse to taking risks. Why bother when you got it made in the shade? There is little incentive for entrepreneurship and striking it rich, even though the Ease of Doing Business Index ranks Denmark as number six, only one behind America. Danes would rather work for the man and do the minimum required of them to coast through the system than take a gamble. Being aggressive and taking risks may cost them some serious benefits, so they do what they need to in order to maintain a decent middle-class existence. While I don’t blame them, this mildly offends the entrepreneurial spirit within my American core.

The Government’s Role As Mother And Father

Thanks to its extensive services, the Danish government has replaced parents as the primary caregiver. The Danes decided that there was too much inequality in the system with the rich having access to all the benefits, so they constructed an egalitarian society. The government’s utopian visionaries told parents, “You don’t have to do anything but love your children. We’ll take care of the rest. Oh, and when you get old, we’ll take care of you, too.”

Since family is pushed out of the picture, one consequence is that Danish people very seldom talk about their families. I never saw a 20- or 30-something Danish adult with an elderly person, whereas in Poland I saw it a dozen times a day. The old people are pushed aside to be taken care of by the system, not by the kids, the opposite of what I saw in South America where the elders are cherished, often living in the same household as the younger generations. I’d bet that the average Danish person interacts with the government more than with their parents.

Another consequence of the Danish system is that women no longer need men. For hundreds of thousands of years, women have sought to marry powerful men with strong financial means in order to live a comfortable life (or to merely survive), but in Denmark this is not at all necessary. Danish women don’t need to find a man, because the government will take care of her and her cats, whether she is successful at dating or not. Her quality of life won’t be negatively affected if she happens to remain single until death, whereupon her cats will inherit her possessions according to Danish law.

Since a Danish woman is in no rush to find someone, she wants to hold out for her top choice instead of having to “settle” for any particular man while she’s still in her physical prime. The result is that Danish women like to sample men and play the field, thinking they have all the time in the world. They’re also less willing to change their behavior by adopting a pleasing figure or style that’s more likely to attract men. It’s no surprise that there’s a flood of sloppy 30-something women on dating sites, making Denmark one of the most popular countries where the Internet is used to find a mate.

In spite of the negatives, I think the Danish economic and welfare system is superior to the American system for one simple reason: it’s fair. They have achieved a near utopia of human equality, where everyone can educate themselves and seek employment without fear of possible bankruptcy from illness. Even the mentally decrepit and drug addicted are treated like human beings, meaning that everyone has an opportunity to rise up above their station. In the United States we have a bad habit of kicking people when they’re down. Watching people fall, especially the famous, is almost a national sport, but in Denmark, they put out a strong hand to help you back onto your feet.

I liken the United States to a jungle where everyone must fend for themselves. A lot of people don’t make it, but the ones that do can roam the land freely and suck on its glorious fruit. On the other hand, Denmark is like a pleasant zoo with scheduled feeding times and twenty-four-hour veterinarian care. While I’d prefer the American system if I was on top of the food chain, the average human being would be better served by the Danish system.

The above article was adapted from my newest release, Don't Bang Denmark, a 72-page hater travel guide that teaches you how to sleep with Danish women while simultaneously convincing you not to go. It contains tourist tips, game advice, sex stories, and hate. It gives you all the information you need to dislike Denmark with extra details not released on the blog. It's available in both paperback and ebook. Read sample pages or learn more about the book.

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Oh boy here we go!

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Vote Ron Paul 2012

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Denmark sounds like an oppressively boring place to live.

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I think that the Danish must have strong ethics, otherwise the free-riders would make that system inoperant; also I guess it must be very difficult to become a dannish. Am i right?

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Yes, Denmark is a homogenous white country only in places like this would such a system even work. Unfortunately mostly male third world immigration is ruining it….

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Sounds like the place for beta herbs to roam free – white knighting to their heart’s content.

I’m gonna buy this one.

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Interesting to see the relatively accurate take by a non-Scandinavian. Two points where I think you erred:

– Denmark’s relatively low expenditures on defense (which violate its NATO obligations) are not really a part of this story. The United States spends less than 5% of GDP on defense (that’s including off-budget stuff), but over 16% on welfare services. Denmark spends less than 2% of GDP on defense, but nearly 30% on welfare services. While 3% of GDP is nothing to sneeze at, it’s relatively trivial compared to the expenditure on social services.

– America isn’t really a jungle where you have to fend for yourself. It’s perhaps a jungle to maintain a middle class existence, whereas in Scandinavian countries the welfare state is so strong that you can maintain a middle class existence from it. In America the welfare state only allows you to maintain a prole existence, which is one reason why middle-class Americans work so hard to avoid falling into poverty (few want to live around white trash, and fewer still around blacks).

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That 16% probably includes corporate welfare which I wouldn’t count but I am not sure where you found your “facts”…

USA defense budget in 2014 is around $ 718 billion dollars.
which is 20% of the federal budget and the most expensive program in the federal government. This does not even factor in veterans benefits.
However 2014 defense has decreased to $ 643 billion which is still 19% of the federal budget
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/07/everything-chuck-hagel-needs-to-know-about-the-defense-budget-in-charts/

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I’d like to see a follow up post on how all of this affects GAMING Danish women in greater detail. How did this affect foreigners’ your GAME? How did it affect the native Danish men’s GAME?

[Roosh: Patience. The hate has just begun.]

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Don’t Bang Denmark captures Denmark perfectly. As a half dane, I can say nothing that I could not already confirm rang a false note. It is an absolute must read if you intend to visit Denmark, even if you are not going there to game, since it lays bare the true nature of the Danes. It may be the only book written since World War II to be unreservedly critical of the Danish society by an outsider who has no stake in it.

That being said, it’s only minor flaw is that it is a little too complementary of the Danish Welfare State.

For a different perspective on the Scandinavian Welfare States:

Spearhead Article

Spearhead Article

A critical view of Denmark by an actual Dane. A very rare thing.

Basically, if you are a low status Beta Male living in Denmark and paying Danish taxes, the state will take so much of your resources that your ability to truly master game, or even act beta and have a wife and a family, may be so hindered as to make that wall effectively impossible to climb. If all you can afford is a shared room in Bronshoj and have to bike miles in horrible weather to the nearest place to game, you’re probably not going to get very far.

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I live in Denmark and what a pleasant picture you paint. Too bad its bullshit. You got the tourists quick impression and bought the standard line completely.

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@doclove – Buy the book!

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@Doclove

Buy the book. It’s all there and a fantastic read. His stories at the end are both hilarious and horrifying and worth the very modest price alone (6.99 on Kindle).

Roosh’s revelations on how to game in Denmark are astounding and while he says nice things about the welfare state in this post here, he does acknowledge a little bit here (“Since a Danish woman is in no rush to find someone…”) and more in the book that it has negative impacts when it comes to game.

In defense of my previous post, my only criticism is that I don’t think Roosh fully realizes how far those impacts go if you actually decided to live in Denmark as a working professional and pay Danish taxes. I’m pretty sure paying Danish income tax was not one of the things he experienced in Denmark. I should have been more clear about that.

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In the framework used by the Dutch sociologist Geert Hofstede, Denmark is a feminine country where taking care of people (and the natural environment) is generally more highly valued than ambition and competition.

One problem is that the social cohesion breaks down when you introduce free riders (those content to milk the system for what they can get) into it. Denmark, like some other european countries, has been importing people for whom social cohesion isn’t a value (esp muslims and africans) and social cohesion has taken a big hit and some less than savory feminine characteristics have been strengthened.

It’s always been a conformist society (just as most women are conformists) and those who stand out too much in dress or appearance (including skin color) are mostly politely shunned.

It’s also very much an ingroup kind of place (strengthened by the permanent presence now of a lot of outsiders). This means it’s extremely difficult for a non-Dane who moves to the country to find a job commiserate with their qualifications (even when the language barrier isn’t an issue).

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Wouldn’t we expect to see a stronger correlation between the strength of a state’s social safety net, and the degree to which women are willing to ‘play the field’? I agree with the US as being fantastic if you’re born with the right genetic code, and horrible if you’re not endowed with the right social pedigree. It seems like the traditional male-female dynamic has become obsolete no matter where you are, whether in strongly supported societies or in ‘fend for yourself’ places like the US. I like your hypothesis about the government’s replacement of the male in this relationship, but you might be making a premature causal connection. Interesting post nonetheless. I’ve heard Copenhagen has some quality poon.

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Good points. The way I read it, if you’re competent, then the US system will allow you to go further. If you’re mediocre, then Denmark is more suitable.

But as to everyone getting free university education and having plenty of jobs. Who works in the menial labor jobs like cleaners and cashiers? Is that what the immigrants are for?

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The subsidies and benefits that the USA provides to Europe, both overt and hidden, are much larger than fifty years of defending them from the Russkies. Not to mention what we give to the rest of the planet. And do we get any credit? Eight years of full-out Ron Paul-style isolationism would teach some harsh lessons.

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This “don’t bang denmark” is really getting into me. I befriended 3 great Danish guys in my recent travel, and banged a chubby Danish girl. I know that eventually (like Roosh), I’ll make an effort to go to Denmark visit my friends.

BUT… Roosh doesn’t mention the city of “Odense”, where Hand Christian Andersen lived, where I’d go spend more time than Copenhagen.

God bless girls on Odense are better…

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Just picked up Dont Bang Denmark in the Kindle store. Congrats Roosh its number 1 in both Books and Kindle Categories for Denmark. Atleast people can hear the unbiased truth

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If only you could have the Danish Welfare System and Brazilian women in the same place… It would be Paradise on Earth!

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@ Uri Katsav

He actually talks about that in the book. It doesn’t work out the way you would hope.

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Bringing up military spending as a factor vis-a-vis social welfare spending is essentially wrong. In the USA welfare state spending utterly dwarfs military expenditures. You could zero all military spending and we’d still be rapidly going broke due to medicare and its friends.

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give us moar

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If I lived in a welfare state, I’d be a free rider. Why spend time working and get taxed 60%. instead use the time to learn game and bang women. They can take 60% of my money from honest work. But they can’t take 60% of the pleasure i get from fucking women, can they? Neither can they insist that I hand over 60% of the women i bring to bed over to the state to bang. I feel danish men are stupid. Since they spend their valuable time working and paying taxes leaving no time to fuck women. The smart danish man would collect welfare payments, learn game and fuck the wives and daughters of the man who pays his welfare check. hehehehehhehehehe….Dumb Morons

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Fair my ass.

And the US IS a welfare state. For rich folks, that is. smile

The writing style and the dry humor is spot on tho, cgz

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@ DoesNotMatter

There are guys who do precisely that. One guy (a white dane – not an immigrant) I knew had 5 different wives (one at a time – not at once) and several kids with each wife while not working and having the state (read beta males) pick up the whole tab.

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As a Dane I can tell you that Denmark is utter paradise for moochers whereas the few remaining Danes who work in the private sector are treated as beasts of burden.

Recently there was an unemployed single mother who became famous as a socialist party (SF) used her as an example of poverty in Denmark.

Despite never having worked a day in her life, the single mother (fattig Carina) had 2700 dollars each moth after taxes.

Instead of gratitude to a system that allows will allow her to freeride for the rest of her life, she had the audacity to bitch and whine about the inhumane cruelty of a system that let her live in such poverty.

Basically she had the same disposable income as I did, working full time in the private sector.

The system is broken and extremely immoral.

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OK, some of the obvious libertarian retorts have already been made, and even some non-obvious retorts, so I’ll try to be more original.

Let me be honest: the primary reason I decided to leave Denmark is not the taxes: either the poor housing or the poor communication skills of the Danes would have been enough to drive me away.

Nonetheless this is irrational:
“While I’d prefer the American system if I was on top of the food chain, the average human being would be better served by the Danish system.”

The average human being, when given the following choice:
1. stash 20% of your income in savings, investments, gold, or whatever, for rainy days;
2. hand 20% of your income to the State, which you can get back only if you can prove that you need it (and the State has not gone bankrupt in the meantime);
would undoubtedly choose option #1.

I also note that much of what is written in this post could have been written by millions of Americans who have never left the USA: I heard it from an American academic who had been in Denmark just a few days (only a few hours outside hotel and conference center). Which proves that the American media IS, in fact, “eager to discuss the many citizen benefits that countries like Denmark have.”

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Yea – we spend 700 billion a year on Medicare, Medicaid and SCHIP….(health insurance for the poor and elderly)

We spend just over 700 billion on defense.

Just trying to clarify the numbers.

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Roosh. I thought you were smarter than to think a nanny welfare state is an admirable achievement since you read a lot. >_>

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I love Roosh’s work, but am skeptical about this one, although I’ll have to read it first.

Why should I purchase a book about a country I SHOULD NOT visit? I mean, what’s the point of reading a book that says: Don’t visit Irak, Malawi or Siberia?

I see some interest in reading this book just because your game has to be pretty tight in Denmark in order to bang…whatever below 6.

Not for me. I prefer to wait for Bang Poland.

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What you describe about Denmark sounds like something right out of Aldus Huxley’s Brave New World. Its quite scary really. Whereas one could argue that the government provides for everything and thus one does not have the fear of unemployment or lack of healthcare, nonetheless it sees like a person makes a deal with the devil when they live in such a society. Governments own you and the fact that families are not close due to government intervention is very Marxist. I’ll be anything that the churches in Denmark are given a really hard time in that country.

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Does it count as a tour guide if the writer is a below average looking blogger who sits in bars preying on women all night and sleeping all day? Wow. How interesting.

Zzzzzzz…..

How much longer until we find out Roosh is either gay or a serial killer? Anyone who spends his life trying to capture what he dispises is called a psychopath.

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Did you know that Danish men can suck their own cocks? The government probably pays for their yoga classes so they can become limber enough to blow themselves. Danish women are among the mannliest looking pigs in the world. But it’s all part of the Marxist-Fag agenda.

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Look how quickly the liberal feminist resorts to calls for censorship (“hate speech”). So predictable. The feminist left is anti-freedom, anti-family, and anti-American.

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@ 37 the problem is clearly with WOMEN since Joran Van Der Sloot had beautiful girls beating down his door to be with him even AFTER he was accused of murdering one of them. Nothing gets a woman hotter than an honest-to-god psychopath. You should check out the data on how many love letters and marriage proposals convicted death row rapists and murderers get. Then compare that number to how many random love letters your typical community-leading, family-oriented, honest and faithful chemical engineer gets. The problem begins to become clear, doesn’t it toots.

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So, you greatly admire a society that generates women you hate?

You think it’s fair that half of the fruits of some people’s labor is taken from them, while others get a free ride?

I openly admire and envy your ability to get laid, but can’t say the same about your view of society.

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What the fuck is a girl doing wandering around drunk at seven AM by herself unless she is a total piece of trash whore? She would be lucky that Roosh got to her before a REAL rapist did. Again, your perspective is from a place where women bear absolutely no responsibility for their own choices and actions, and are taken care of by society, while simultaneously expecting to be treated as intellectual and physical equals. It is faulty math bitch. You are either subservient or you are treated as a full EQUAL, which means if you choose to have sex because you are drunk at 7am, it is 100% ON YOU.

[Roosh: Don’t feed the little trolls!]

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I’ve had quite enough of the female style of debate. They never address your pointed questions. Never acknowledge your superior presentation of facts. Never question their own certainty in their righteousness. Never admit when they have lost a point. Never stick to the subject. Never debate without use of ad hominem attacks. Never avoid logical fallacies.

My IQ gets lowered a couple points every time I’m drawn in to a discussion with a woman about anything except celebrities and shoes.

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This isn’t relevant to the blog post, but I just came across another example of a crazy american bitch: cheating on her husband and pregnant with another man’s child while still married. And then there’s the (physical) torturing.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1114925–man-brutally-tortured-by-his-wife-and-her-boyfriend-in-toronto-apartment?bn=1

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I remember a while back there was a show on TV profiling college students in Denmark. When they told them that American college students often graduate with 200k+ in debt after college, they couldn’t grasp the concept, like they didn’t understand how you could pay 50,000 dollars a year to go to college. It’s crazy to us that the STUDENTS over there get paid to go to college, but to them it’s crazy that in the US we have to pay huge sums to get a degree. Just shows the socio-cultural differences between the US and Denmark, Roosh’s post served to remind me of that.

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@ diamondEyes:
“7 the problem is clearly with WOMEN since Joran Van Der Sloot had beautiful girls beating down his door to be with him even AFTER he was accused of murdering one of them. Nothing gets a woman hotter than an honest-to-god psychopath. You should check out the data on how many love letters and marriage proposals convicted death row rapists and murderers get.”

QFT- a decent man has the same effect on a female that daylight has on Dracula.

Seems as if a chick can’t have an orgasm unless she’s being beaten half to death.

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So my choice in Denmark is to be treated like a child and live as either a parasite or beast of burden? Then for me the only sane choice is exile.

The Danes are right that Americans are crazy to be spending huge amounts on college…in the USA it isn’t worth it anymore.

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I’m German and we also enjoy a welfare state here. And Yes, I think It is crazy to pay that much for college and to have to worry about getting medical insurance. I wonder, why you Americans feel so proud of your country, because obviously it is not helping you in any way. Im a student and I dont get paid for studying, but I only pay 400 euro a year to go to college and I get free books, transport, food and discounts in almost everything. I study very hard because I want to be a good engineer and of course, earn good money that I will spend not in expensive health insurances or educating my children, but in a house that i like, holidays, travels, and so on… And I am ambitious, because even If I will pay high taxes, I still want a good job AND mostly because It will satisfy my professionnaly but ALSO because I will earn, like I said, good money, much more money than a cleaner or a nurse, but them of course, they will be supported and taken care of…this is a human society not a jungle.

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@42 That sounds great, and you should be commended for having ambition to make something of your life, but I have to point out that you WILL spend your money on expensive health insurance and education for your children. The money has to come from somewhere, and you as a productive worker will be taxed to pay for it. Why education and healthcare are so expensive in America compared to other places is a different discussion altogether.

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Great writing Roosh!

Trust me you could replace Denmark and fill in a few other countries in Europe.

In Canada it is taboo to talk about welfare, of course women here will ask you what you do right out of the gate.

In the UK, job seekers allowance is often talked about and everyone knows someone who is on it. I know people who have been on it most of there adult life.

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The bigger the government of a nation becomes, the smaller and more dependent the citizens of that nation become. How is it fair to steal from Paul (who works hard in a full time job) to give to Peter (who doesn’t work)? Every individual is responsible for themselves.

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@ beta_plus and @the_libertarian_dane, I still think Danes have a strong work ethic. You know why? Because if you had a similar welfare state in India, the country would not make it to the next crop harvesting season.

@ marco, you’re absolutely right. The U.S IS a welfare state but not for the rich. It is a welfare state for the politically connected, who use the state ……. to get rich! I wish somebody would highlight more of this aspect of the welfare state more.

Roosh! I’m surprised at you. A welfare state is a good idea the same way eating lots of chocolate cake and junk food every day is a very good idea. It feels great at the beginning in every way. You get to eat this delicious stuff and don’t gain weight…..at first! But over the long term, your’re gonna need a welfare state jihad much like your fat girl jihad. If the danes don’t roll back the welfare state, in two generations, the face of denmark will change, literally. They are not having kids. Why bother with kids when the state will look after you in dotage? This is just demographic suicide. They are now importing immigrants in mass numbers to keep the welfare state up. How do I know this? I just applied for one. It takes one year to get a decision. You really think I’m gonna work when I get to denmark? You’re dreaming!

All you MoFos who claim to love the welfare state so much. When is the last fucking time you dipped into your own savings and helped out a friend in need? When is the last fucking time you put in extra time at work so you could make more money to help those in need?……………….Yup! I know! So don’t preach to me. Just shut up

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Tax rates start at 40% and tilt above 50% for the top classes.

Roosh,

The top earners in NY or CA have such a high state income tax that they pay this much as well.

So Denmark is not worse than California or NY, in tax terms.

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I think the Danish economic and welfare system is superior to the American system for one simple reason: it’s fair. They have achieved a near utopia of human equality,

This is ONLY because Scandinavian protestants are productive, frugal, and intelligent.

If black people start entering Denmark, the whole system will collapse quickly.

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The pattern I am seeing from Roosh’s writings is :

The more that the state props up female needs with taxpayer money (Urban US, Denmark, etc.) the less effective Game is on them.

This is why Roosh finds Brazil, Poland, Latvia, etc. to be better than the wealthiest countries. It is because the prosperity is not high enough for the government to institutionalize feminism/misandry (as well as subsidize obesity).

If Roosh could travel back in time to 1964 America, he might find that to be excellent. Gender roles were normative, and obesity was rare.

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It sounds to me like the Danish system works only because of Scandi-Protestant values and intelligence, and is burning through this social capital to create an illusion of prosperity.

Sort of living on credit cards to look wealthy today.

I think a lot of Danes from 50 years ago would be appalled at the amount of freeloading in Denmark today, and would quickly diagnose that a hard landing was coming within a decade or two.

America, for all its flaws, is the more durable system.