Practically everyone today is an expert on domestic and international politics. People will not hesitate to strongly state their opinions on the President, global policy, race relations, Middle Eastern politics, gender relations, and so on. Through political activism, they hope to bring good and peace to Earth, but a cursory look at the progression of history shows that by trying to bring about heaven on Earth without God, they may very well be doing the opposite.

In the past, I was heavily involved in the politics of gender relations. After fornicating with many women around the world, I deemed myself an expert on women and spoke about ways to fix them. They needed to lose weight, wear high heels, dress in an inviting manner, and stop being so masculine, traits that didn’t necessarily improve their moral character but made them more sexually pleasing to me while I was in a state of lust. Those solutions tried to make women perfect to me in the here and now so that I could extract more pleasure from them.

The sexual “heaven” I would experience as a result of more feminine women would allow me to partake in more sin. I would suffer the consequences of that pursuit within this lifetime in the form of increased guilt, anger, and depression, but also risk my salvation. It’s a blessing that my activism failed and the world went a different direction than the ideological projection of my sexual fantasies, because it allowed me to see that the world will not bend to my will, no matter how many other men I recruit to the cause, and that even if it did, I wouldn’t be better off.

You can pursue political life for the sake of your own glory or for the glory of Jesus Christ. The purpose of the former is to experience heaven on Earth through the belief that your political ideas, when implemented by the society at large, will save you and those around you. In essence, you create a false idol out of your worldview. You look towards a narrow and perhaps accidental period of history, such as the 1950s in America, and get nostalgic about the “heaven” that those in that era were able to experience, but such an interpretation of heaven is purely focused on the material. The men of that era may have had nice houses in quiet neighborhoods and wives that knew how to make apple pie, but how was their spiritual life? Were they saved? Or was the high material comfort and ease they experienced a barrier to their salvation?

I consider it a gift to myself and other men that we were born in such an evil time as now, where the women around us have so eagerly chosen sterility and death instead of family and spiritual life, because it’s through this inverted world that we can call on God to help us endure. If your ideal world existed now, and all your political ideas made the Earth perfect, why would you need God? Why would you even need heaven?

The biggest problem with political activism for its own sake is that it feeds your pride, especially when people start listening to your ideas. Multiple priests have told me that the worst sin is pride—no other sin is as reliable in separating you from Christ. Pride is the fuel that makes you think you have it all figured out, that you are your own god and don’t need the One God to save you, but you were created from nothing and will fade back to nothing. None of your achievements will be worth remembering when human history ends and this universe folds up into a speck of matter as it was at the moment God began time and space. How is it possible to have pride for that which will be lost in the wind for all eternity? To have pride is demonic in nature, a blatant lie of who you are and why you’re here, and nothing feeds it better than the realm of politics where you have followers and donors. You appear in the news and are seen as a leader. People come to depend on you for guidance. You come to believe that the world would be worse without you, and perhaps the world couldn’t even live without you, a belief shared by many men who are buried in the cemeteries of the world. If you decide to make a god out of yourself, how can there be room for God?

All the ideas of the secular political activist will fail. All his theories will be for naught. Look around you—are things getting better? After having been graced by the masterful political scientists and intellectual giants that have come before us, does this look like heaven? Everyone who lived before us served a purpose, yet not to improve the world from their own efforts. Instead, they were a part of God’s plan whether they were aware of it or not. The best we can do is to serve Christ in this life, to honor those close to us, and to save our souls. If you are called by God to serve Him politically, ensure it’s for His glory and not your own. Anything else is at best busywork, at worst the will of Satan.

God commanded us to follow human authority and it is my hope that more of those authorities will be Christian, but in the meanwhile, keep your eyes on the heaven you can’t see before trying to make a heaven of the world you can. Speak the truth and say no to evil when it comes to you, but understand that nothing is a saving act without God. Everything must be done with your salvation and the salvation of those close to you in mind, because as soon as you remove God from your actions, and fail to seek His blessing through secular political activism, you turn away from God. Without Him, you may create an accidental good, since the Gospel is written in your heart, but chances are you will add more indemnity and anger to the world, making it worse than when you started.

I will share the truth to you, political or otherwise, I will support this political party or organization over another, I will be vehement in condemning the actions of cosmopolitan groups that are subverting the country, and if God calls on me to become President of the United States then I will do so, but such intentions will not be to make my life easier, to create a “better” world, or roll back the clock to a period of history I didn’t live in. I will do all this to serve the Logos, to act on the Word of God, and not under my own authority or my own ideas of how to improve the world. God already has the plan laid out for me, and all I have to do is follow it, wherever it may lead.

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Once you embrace Christ you realize you're invariably going to be beaten up by both the Left and the Right such as they exist today.

Doubtless that dialect has been custom built precisely to ensure that outcome.

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The story about building the Tower of Babel pretty much sums up a lot of the social projects we see to make heaven on earth. I might be stretching interpretation too far, but I also wonder if the the fascination a lot of these science worshipers have for cosmology and far away planets are a modern version of the people wanting to build a tower to reach the stars. The people constructing the tower had said their motivation was to "let us make a name for ourselves".

If you look at self-identified humanists their attitude is pretty much to construct a heaven on earth - hence why they are so obsessed with hitting on the correct mix of politics and social engineering to achieve an utopia where everyone can have any sort of sex they want, where they can spend their lives writing vegan slam beat poetry or whatever floats their boats, and such. They actually have a lot of common with the radical Protestants of the 16th to 18th centuries - even though I'm sure they would be aghast to be associated with such "fanatics without realizing they are actually the intellectual offspring of these people only with all the spiritual content drained.

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After having been graced by the masterful political scientists and intellectual giants that have come before us, does this look like heaven?

You make some good points in the article, and yeah one would think things would get better, but with all the knowledge in the world if you don't have a fear of God, you aren't anything. One thing I guess worth mentioning is not many people are aware of this, or it's so obvious that it goes overlooked, but the Catholic Church is the government structure.

One of the devils main goals supposedly (I don't know for sure obviously, just what I've heard) is to establish his own hierarchy and or government structure. Not to go too far out there, but Angels and Spirits govern certain aspects of life. Satan's role supposedly was to govern the government. When Christ was tempted in the desert satan said he could give him all the kingdoms of the world, theologians suggest this implies satan's role and or task is or was to oversee governments. While Angel's have certain roles, the same is true of the demonic as far as I'm aware. Regardless the moral of the story is that the Church is built in such a way so as to be a world governing structure. There is no need for a 'one world' government when the Church already exists as this overarching [spiritual] 'government' entity.

So, as far as your main premise or question is concerned, that being whether politics are compatible with the Christian life, they are separate and distinct, though ideally you want God's law in every facet of society and life. God's law should be written in your heart. Government authorities are allowed via God:

Let every soul be subject to the authorities being above him. For there is no authority except by God; but those existing are having been instituted by God. - Romans 13:1.

For Christ all the world is His already. Government itself acts as a pseudo-religious entity. Christ knew this well obviously. Point being the Church is in essence the overarching 'government' (rule of law, rule of truth) that currently exists outside of the government itself, yet it should be the only law in my opinion. The ideal society I think is similar to a Catholic Monarchy, but this can go either way; i.e. in a Monarchy the society flourishes only if the Monarch is just, but fails miserably if he isn't. I'm all for liberty (in the general sense), but I think Americans have been brainwashed into accepting everything and thinking its 'liberty' and freedom. No, freedom is found through Christ, you can't save yourself, no one can. All men need God and Jesus, otherwise you are the walking dead, you're nothing.

This laissez faire libertarian notion that we can do and be whoever we want economically might at first generate wealth, but the wealth always becomes centralized one way or another. It's a fool's errand to always think the free-market is 'always free'....monopolies will always override any free business venture if given time unless regulations are actually enforced, but human sin always looks for loopholes. There's many obvious examples of monopolies in the U.S. that should be broken apart but aren't. And aside from economics the social libertarian ideal is so vastly flawed and unsustainable it hurts. To 'go and be whoever you wanna be' and 'do whatever you wanna do' is idiocy of the highest order. Your libertarians should take a look at Africa and the clan culture wars which don't look to be on the decline. You need some kind of government body to oversee what's going on, the trick obviously is making sure it doesn't go haywire and crazy. I don't think our three branches of government are solid at all. Those who bought the idea of the 'American Dream' were fed an illusion.

We haven't even made it to the 250 year mark and yet the 'most patriotic' among us claim the U.S. is the empire to beat all empires and will last thousands of years! Forget cornoavirus nonsense, the U.S. is a brainwashing factory at this point. The masses are subdued and complacent, the rich brainwash everyone via the media. We all want to keep the peace ok, no one wants wars or non-sense 'revolutions' but the fact of the matter is the media and government in particular has made the U.S. and a lot of the world into brainwashed consumer zombies. And the sad part is a lot of these people are aware of it, but do nothing. I don't want an upending of everything, or tearing down of the government, I think the basic U.S. structure is generally speaking fine, in its most basic form.

The main problem is the media, the media needs wiped out or upended or eradicated somehow or completely restructured. I don't mind the basic American 'dream', the 'BASIC' dream, but we've become consumer zombies. We don't make anything. Only China can bail us out unless we actually start manufacturing stuff for a change. If Trump is wise at all, he'll institute massive manufacturing. I don't mind the U.S., I think it's a lot better than having a dictator or a complete socialist state. The problem of course is that while we aren't directly governed by dictators, we have plenty of indirect dictators over-lording us. If men, yes all men, in the U.S. just stopped with the internet, completely stopped using the porn machine, you'd see a reversal in A LOT of things. Obviously not every man is going to do this, but if you had a few million actually just give up the internet, media, tech completely you'd have a pretty big reversal in a lot of the garbage lies we've been fed. It's the internet man, the porn machine is no longer worth a man's time, and that goes for other media also. Waste of time. Waste of life.

Now, the real question Roosh is why are other nondenominational Christians 'compatible' with Orthodox or Catholicism? Hate to say it, but I personally wouldn't allow other denominations to speak in my forums and tear down Saints, Orthodox or Catholicism, that goes for other Christians too. I don't consider nondenominationals all that Christian. There's hundreds of variations, some of them are compatible and allowed by the Church some aren't. Obviously you want an open forum for everyone, but why are Lutherans promoting their ideas here? Like I'm suppose to debate a Lutheran now??? I realize free-speech and all that yadi yada, its just, haven't other denominations caused enough schisms? Arguments and disagreements just create dissent and if the intent is to be charitable and convert them than fine so be it, but honestly just letting a bunch of Lutherans spout off heresies seems unbecoming in a certain way. I mean, they can go argue anywhere else. It's not my forum or site obviously I don't care at all, just sayin it's a bit odd to me. Saint Nicholas would agree:

In AD 325 Emperor Constantine convened the Council of Nicaea, the very first ecumenical council. More than 300 bishops came from all over the Christian world to debate the nature of the Holy Trinity. It was one of the early church’s most intense theological questions. Arius, from Egypt, was teaching that Jesus the Son was not equal to God the Father. Arius forcefully argued his position at length. The bishops listened respectfully.

As Arius vigorously continued, Nicholas became more and more agitated. Finally, he could no longer bear what he believed was essential being attacked. The outraged Nicholas got up, crossed the room, and slapped Arius across the face! The bishops were shocked. It was unbelievable that a bishop would lose control and be so hotheaded in such a solemn assembly. They brought Nicholas to Constantine. Constantine said even though it was illegal for anyone to strike another in his presence, in this case, the bishops themselves must determine the punishment.

The bishops stripped Nicholas of his bishop’s garments, chained him, and threw him into jail. That would keep Nicholas away from the meeting. When the Council ended a final decision would be made about his future.

Nicholas was ashamed and prayed for forgiveness, though he did not waver in his belief. During the night, Jesus and Mary his Mother, appeared,* asking, “Why are you in jail?” “Because of my love for you,” Nicholas replied. Jesus then gave the Book of the Gospels to Nicholas. Mary gave him an omophorion, so Nicholas would again be dressed as a bishop. Now at peace, Nicholas studied the Scriptures for the rest of the night.

When the jailer came in the morning, he found the chains loose on the floor and Nicholas dressed in bishop’s robes, quietly reading the Scriptures. When Constantine was told of this, the emperor asked that Nicholas be freed. Nicholas was then fully reinstated as the Bishop of Myra.

The Council of Nicaea agreed with Nicholas’ views, deciding the question against Arius. The work of the Council produced the Nicene Creed which to this day many Christians repeat weekly when they stand to say what they believe.

I mean, 'free-speech' isn't 'free' right? Obviously you don't want to be censor police on the forum but I don't know, it's a complicated question that I don't have a complete answer to. I just think banning 'trolls' is one thing, but the biggest troll's under the bridge are the heretics. Anyways, is what it is.

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That's quite a swerve from the OP.

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OP = original point maybe? I don't think I swerved too much. It's too late to edit I guess, I could've cut out the second half I suppose, but was intended to parallel the first half metaphorically. Like the article itself brings up a good topic of discussion and what is or is not compatible in general. And while I appreciate the government analysis, I think the religious overtones and what is or is not acceptable, even within an online forum, is a microcosm for the macro nation on a whole. What you allow within your own forum (within your own house) is how you would govern as a king or leader of a society, that was the point.

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>You can pursue political life for the sake of your own glory or for the glory of Jesus Christ.

I think this is the core of it. When you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, it is His way. His Will is to be done. Whatever remnants of our political ideologies take a backseat. We don't contort the scripture to favor our pre-determined political views, or use the Bible as a weapon against groups we've pre-determined we're against.

Sometimes, it is natural for us to maintain the momentum of the past, even more given the history of this board. While it's important to debate and have our own independent opinions, being a child of God means being a follower. And being okay with that. Submerging our pride and our infatuation with our own points of view, to humbly accept the word of God as final - in all things.

In Matthew 26 (KJV)

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Love thy neighbor. Is that even possible in this tribalized political environment? Instead, I think partisanship corrupts our ability to worship in many cases, though we will claim over and again the opposite to justify our tendencies. We are even commanded to love our enemies. What I have some concern with is how people claim to prioritize a relationship with God, but political tendencies spill over into their worship. Rather than following the Bible, they self-aggrandize over theological nuances as a barely concealed form of self-exultation and pride. How many amateuer theologians are working with the Holy Spirit on a daily basis to remove their sin- their anger, their lust, their envy? How many are praying for the Lord to define our purpose in the world, so we will be his vessels in this world? How many get lost in the mostly meaningless debate between Protestantism and Catholicism - when we worship the SAME God, unlike most of the rest of the world. Why aren't we instead studying in fellowship with each other, diving into the Bible more deeply, understanding the parables and how they should affect our daily behavior? It may be because old habits of fighting the political war have found their way to our religious practice.

In my view, the habits of Christian discipleship must gain priority over the habits of political strife in our fallen world.

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To me it's very simple, if people of faith do not get involved in politics, than the secular and sjw factions will take over and run things their way. The economic and moral interests of the average citizen will be run over by the corporations and the special interests.

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One thing that bothers my conscience a bit is voting. I feel like by casting a vote, I'm putting my trust in princes, and condoning the actions of the person I vote for. Historically, most Christians had no say in their government, and they could render unto Caesar by taking whatever their monarch dished out. So I'm tempted to wash my hands clean of the matter, and simply live with evil government without being complicit by voting.

But democracy has changes things. Christians have always recognized that rulers have a responsibility to their people, and we can find plenty of good kings in the calendar of saints. In a democratic republic like the US, it seems to me intellectually, despite the misgivings in my heart, that we are all part of the ruler. And that therefore, we have a responsibility to excercise this authority to the best of our ability by voting as well as we can.

No one I've spoken to in real life as understood my dilemna, so I'd definitely appreciate any Bible-based perspective you guys can offer.

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Vote locally, at least. One vote does make a difference there, and local politics have a meaningful impact on your and your family's life. (no Bible commentary, though).

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I interpret this as, look, a lot of people hate SJWs and the cultural marxist takeover of our society. They are obnoxious and arrogant and just shameless liars. Personally as much as I want to think I'm motivated by justice because these are bad people I am more motivated by revenge and I know a lot of other people feel this way. The SJWs are bad people and I want to see them punished for their crimes. But ultimately I think this is hollow. Reading on Twitter and 4chan all their crimes just twists your soul and fills it with hate and turns you further from God. A victory over the SJWs would be hollow without God.

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I interpret this as, look, a lot of people hate SJWs and the cultural marxist takeover of our society. They are obnoxious and arrogant and just shameless liars. Personally as much as I want to think I'm motivated by justice because these are bad people I am more motivated by revenge and I know a lot of other people feel this way. The SJWs are bad people and I want to see them punished for their crimes. But ultimately I think this is hollow. Reading on Twitter and 4chan all their crimes just twists your soul and fills it with hate and turns you further from God. A victory over the SJWs would be hollow without God.

This is where I am. I want to embrace the Faith, but I am torn inside over my feelings of hate towards the Left. I want them defeated and humiliated (as they do us), but I know Christ said to love your enemies. I don't know what to do about this.

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This is where I am. I want to embrace the Faith, but I am torn inside over my feelings of hate towards the Left. I want them defeated and humiliated (as they do us), but I know Christ said to love your enemies. I don't know what to do about this.

Because they're literally possessed. It's not hateful to want to put down a rabid dog, which is what their minds have been twisted into.

I've always held the belief that Christianity (and faith in general) is above politics. Political ideology is simply a result of man's arrogant nature to try and usurp God from life and create a system that creates a new God, with themselves and their disciples as leaders. Communism for example is 'atheistic' because it's quite literally it's own religion, with Marx as it's prophet. National Socialism is a religion, with Hitler as it's prophet. Capitalism is it's own religion, with money as it's prophet. The idea of a Christian Capitalist is ludicrous, the same as a Communist Muslim. You can't serve two different Gods.
I mean, if you were to take someone from 300 years ago and ask them to define the terms racism, sexism, islamaphobia, homophobia, transphobia, libertarianism, liberalism, capitalism, communism, socialism, nationalism, conservatism, neo-consertavism, stalinism, hitlerism, etc, etc (the list goes on and on) they would have no idea what the hell you were talking about. And yet, for the vast vast majority of people, one or the other terms are all they think about, people will dedicate their entire lives to fighting against 'transphobia' a term that literally never even existed previously. If you were to time machine back to 300 years ago you'd suddenly find 95% of your intellectual brainpower free, because of how absolutely polluted modernity has become.

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"The idea of a Christian Capitalist is ludicrous, the same as a Communist Muslim. You can't serve two different Gods."

Are you an American? Because being a "Christian Capitalist" is as American as apple pie! And it has been, since the early day of our republic!

A positive outlook on their relationship...

Human nature/sin is the real problem, whatever the economic system...

Christ actually talked quite a bit about money...

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Are you an American? Because being a "Christian Capitalist" is as American as apple pie! And it has been, since the early day of our republic!

No, but I've seen how Christian Capitalists behave, like the very strange evangelical American Christians that have become infected with what can only be described as a mind rot.

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Ironside, please read the article links which I shared. But yes, as much as "pure" capitalism can be good for a nation, it can become deeply corrupted by monopolies, government interference, and human greed and corruption. I know about the Evangelicals who preach the "prosperity gospel" and who see becoming rich as a guaranteed reward from God.

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I've been reading Benjamin Franklin's autobiography and he says that of all the sins he had to struggle with Pride was the one that was the hardest. He was only ever able to manage it through discipline and of course his sense of humor!

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I've been reading Benjamin Franklin's autobiography and he says that of all the sins he had to struggle with Pride was the one that was the hardest. He was only ever able to manage it through discipline and of course his sense of humor!

If I were half as talented as Ben Franklin, I would have a problem with pride, too! :)

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With reference to Roosh's original post - Matthew 5:38 contains a passage about eye-for-eye behavior and advises those who are wronged to "turn the other cheek". I wonder if the question should maybe be phrased as "is Christianity compatible with modern politics?" To me there is a political philosophy embedded in Christianity that provides solutions to avoiding the nihilism of today's world. We learn through Christianity how to relate to ourselves with respect and how to relate to others honorably and ethically. A theme throughout Christianity that is a suggestion to avoid reactionary politics. If someone wrongs you or your group do not lose valuable time or resources fighting back when those resources and the time could be better spent pursuing ends more befitting of a Christian man.

I think of this now because in the midst of this political and social turmoil we are in danger of becoming reactionary. Yes, we must protect ourselves and stand up against evil. However, if we don't work towards creating or improving institutions that are sympathetic to our views we may find ourselves out in the cold politically in 5 or 10 years.

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