Is RSD Hurting Young Men?

For the longest time I thought that Washington DC was the capital of PUA culture in North America (alongside Los Angeles), but I hadn’t yet been to Toronto. Hands down, I’ve never seen so many PUAs in my one week visit there than I have in my entire life. There are Toronto bars where you can find over two dozen PUAs working simultaneously to approach every single woman in the bar in rapid succession (go to Madison Avenue Pub on Thursday night to see what I mean).

I’ve already chronicled how Western society is making it hard for men to have normal relations with women, let alone get laid with someone who is of at least their equal. In Toronto, the odds are even further stacked against men: women of low quality are actually more difficult to bed than in Washington DC. It’s the only city I’ve been to where the girls are more concerned with getting late-night food than getting men. For thousands of guys in Toronto, the solution to this problem is adopting the RSD style of game, which is approaching on a mass scale.

RSD, or Real Social Dynamics, is a PUA company that was popularized in the book The Game. About eight years or so I was invited to review a workshop they had in DC. All I remember is that the instructors, specifically Tyler, approached a lot. I thought I approached plenty but these guys took things to a level I hadn’t seen. I saw them approach girls with guys, girls sitting down at tables, and other scenarios that had a low probability of success. They didn’t care.

You quickly learn that one of the main tenets of RSD is to spam approach. They push you to approach every single available girl just to lose the fear of approaching, and even if the girl isn’t feeling you or showing signs of disinterest, you must “plow” through as if her response doesn’t matter. Then after doing 1,000 or more of these, you will be a master player. Their instructors, whose skills I don’t doubt, have dedicated their lives to approaching to such an extent that compared to them I’m a mere hobbyist.

In Toronto I met a college kid who reads my work. Him and his crew are plugged into RSD teachings and we got the opportunity to talk about the RSD style of game that has taken over Toronto. He told me that to get laid in Toronto you need to spam approach until you get lucky with a girl where you aren’t cockblocked by the “mother hen” dominated social circles. RSD also encourages guys to approach full time by doing it daily, hitting astonishingly high approach counts each week. I had trouble believing that for many guys, this is what game has been reduced to.

When I left Toronto, I completely understood why there is a “PUA Hate” culture: RSD is teaching guys to interact with a high number of girls in uncomfortable situations, training them to dislike and eventually hate the process of getting laid. They’ve created mindless approach machines who regularly get kicked out of night spots and stopped by security in malls. The burnout is so high and the upheaval to the self of an RSD student is so extreme that many become game denialists for life, and are actually less likely to succeed with women had they adopted a more balanced approach to getting laid.

In my Roosh Program post, I advocate doing cycles of 100 approaches. Yes, that is a lot of approaches, suggesting that a numbers game is definitely involved, but you have to work on yourself, too. You have to lift weights, read, and take on interesting hobbies. You have to improve your overall social skills instead of merely ignoring women’s responses. You must constantly measure your results and reflect on what you’re doing. Compare that to my reader who considers a “warmup” to be 10 approaches in the first 15 minutes of entering a club.

Another RSD student did a “30 day challenge” where if he didn’t get laid with going out in that month, he would sleep on the street with homeless people. RSD students have quit their jobs to focus on approaching full time. It seems like the goal is to get a guy to lose his identity in a program that either turns him into a disgruntled hater or a guy whose only skill at life is approaching. It’s no surprise that RSD is often compared to a cult, with Tyler their leader.

I have a 16-year-old brother. I’ve started introducing him to some game techniques, but the main area I’ve been helping him with is weightlifting. The other month he happily emailed me when he did one rep on the bench at 165 pounds, something I didn’t do until I was 22. I’m also teaching him about ramble and how to elaborate his replies when talking to girls instead of giving short answers. But would I tell him to approach nonstop? To “plow”? No, because I don’t want him to hate interacting with women, the inevitable result of doing what RSD teaches. If he tells me one day that he found out about RSD and is trying one of their programs, I’d fly back to the States to run an intervention. If my teachings are like smoking a joint, RSD is like shooting heroin.

While Toronto, DC, feminism, smartphones, and so on are making it harder for men to land women, is being an autistic approach robot the best answer? The irony of the RSD system is that it’s so time intensive that it would actually be easier just to learn the guitar and start a local band to bang groupies. We now live in a time where many guys think the best answer to getting laid is to be a human spammer instead of a good man, and maybe in the end they’re right. RSD is simply a male response to all the Torontos of the English-speaking world.

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Virgle Kent
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This is so weird. I guess my belief is that the longer you’re in the game and the better you get at it the less approaches you should have to do before getting laid, a number, or having a positive interaction. You should be able to look at a girl, size her up and figure out if she’s even worth it first then if talking with her will result in something positive happening.

“One shot, one kill”

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I always thought I had no game. Until I came across these PUA types. These guys are miserable.

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“I advocate doing cycles of 100 approaches. Yes, that is a lot of approaches, suggesting that a numbers game is definitely involved, but you have to work on yourself, too. You have to lift weights, read, and take on interesting hobbies. You have to improve your overall social skills instead of merely ignoring women’s responses. You must constantly measure your results and reflect on what you’re doing.”

Amen! Roosh, you’re a breath of fresh air.

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I guess keeping a Pickup Journal might help. like game results, self improvement tracking to see if your meeting your target goals…

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Hi roosh, nice post. I started off by reading The Game, I bought a stupid hat and approached lots of girls in clubs.
All it taught me was that I’m just not that guy. I know people who have naturally high energy in clubs and I leave it to them. Personally I get more pleasure from trying to seduce select girls with tales of travel and adventure. It makes me feel like I’ve achieved something, and the sex is more satisfying.
Ps, I buy your books as I enjoy your writing and I’d like you to keep up the good work.

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While I completely agree with the sentiment of the article, It’s hard to know with Toronto-Occupied-Ontario if RSD is the problem or just a symptom. The odds are just so stacked against a single guy in that place. The women really aren’t from very good stock no matter where their ancestors came from, are fat, and have a welfare state ready to cater to their every whim while being able to shop at near American prices, while the guys are often very tall, well educated, with good personalities, who have to deal with horrible logistics due to out of control real estate prices and awful transportation. I get the feeling that self improvement, while a good thing to do, might show very little return with women there.

I remember going to a high end restaurant near Bay St. and the owner was greeting customers that night. The guy, no exaggeration, looked like a young, cleaned up version of Fabio with a hair cut in business casual. If it had been the bartender, that would have made some sense to me but everything that I’ve heard about being an owner is that it’s not a pleasant job besides getting access to cute waitresses. When I meet owners or GMs in DC, they are usually average looking guys at most.

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I don’t get it. Why do you bring up the Fabio?

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Furthermore, I work in sales. What those rsd guys are doing is the equivelant of cold calling telemarketing, which is one of the most unnatural acts and only leads to misery. I think its much better to be a “big game hunter” and prioritise, like the other guys have wrote. (And no I’m not referimg to fat girls!).
That’s what cavemen did, they didn’t waste energy running around after every mammal that breathed.

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Interesting post.

I am not familiar with Toronto or the RSD teaching, but they really need all this approaches to get what exactly: brief isolation, number close, one night stand?
Are they also considering other factors like logistic, or they only focus on “approach”?

Honestly to me all sounds like madness…

I understand that you need some number of approaches to refine your skills, but as VK wrote (and my “teacher” taught me before), the better you become the less you approach.

finally what is the connection between rds and PUA hate: former students that just got rejected without getting laid and now hate the entire system?

Thanks

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I agree with you, sounds like you can pay for a hooker and forget the bullshit having satisfied your hunger. Why bothering so much for so little in return?

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Toronto nightlife is terrible is bad but daygame at least while I approach during work hours isn’t bad.

The problem is, with all the minorities(not racist just don’t want to bang the rainbow) white girls get an inordinate number of suitors lined up for them. As a result, their bitch shields are pretty damn huge.

The best places I’ve found to pickup white girls in Toronto has been before work 8:30AM or so, or at a gym you regularly attend. Going right after work, if you find the right spot you will be rewarded big time. Of course, most girls you see are 25-35, but its the nature of the beast since young girls dont really go the gym in large numbers.

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Good post. I have learned also that odd hours are some of the best times to pick women up, whether in bars, day game, or online. Some of my best pick-ups happen in bars during the daytime, before the big crowd shows up. It’s quiet and women don’t have their bitch shields up. Also, before noon in the downtown area of Denver I find the women are a lot more open to being stopped and carrying a conversation than they are in the evening. Even in online game, I have gotten a lot of phone numbers in the morning, as opposed to trying at 8PM when all the guys are emailing them or chatting with them.

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But that makes nonwhite chicks more accessible. However when one is in his 30s that avenue loses its luster

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Yes and no I think. The newest batch of RSD has a lot of really great internal game ways of understanding (Friendly and Cool, vs Cocky&Funny). I also think there is some value in a lot of approaches when you start, lets you know it is ok. But just plowing through bbefore you can be trusted not to be an idiot is a bad idea for everyone. Of course I’m not really the target audience, I don’t go to clubs.

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>>> “You have to lift weights, read, and take on interesting hobbies.”

Absolutely.

There are five things that would solve most sex-deficit problems for most men:

1. Work out. It drives testosterone output, which is extremely important for the male brain. This alone will change your mindset faster than reading 100 books. The best type of exercise is short-burst, like “boot camp” or the CrossFit brand, or something similar.

2. Work for yourself. Employment is social inferiority, by definition. Eventually a girl is going to ask what you do for a living. “I work for a better man than me” is not a good answer. “My boss is a woman” is even worse.

3. Speak up. A man’s voice is a critical factor in asserting his social status. It’s also an area of biological gender difference, which are the features that turn us on sexually. It’s why men are attracted to women’s breasts — we don’t have them. Women don’t have deep, strong voices, which is why they love them.

4. Do not be friends with women, including wives and girlfriends. Limit friendships to males only. I don’t mean drop your female relationships altogether, but treat women and friendships as two mutually exclusive categories. This is especially true in the workplace, which you should own and control. (See No. 2.)

5. Take up at least one male-oriented hobby or recreational activity. The top three are competing in sports (not just watching them), being outdoors (hiking, hunting, fishing, etc.) and making something.

Maverick Traveler
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It’s an overkill.

If you need to constantly approach in such massive numbers to get someone to even bite, maybe you need to step back and analyze your situation.

If it was me, I’d be on the next plane out of Toronto or whatever other city requires such drastic efforts.

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absolutely correct on toronto and high volume approaches, i use to do it here 10 years ago before pick-up got popular and RSD didnt even exist. the few PUA’s i know in toronto are just like i use to be, and they all keep detailed stats on approaches, which seem to have more importance then notch count, its all about the churn here, how many approaches you can turn over in a month, its like a grocery store that uses loss leaders to get large number of people into the store with the hope that they buy something other then the deeply discounted milk butter and bread. pick up in toronto is a business, a dreary one.

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Yes TRR, the minorities in tor are pathetic, only the east asian men do not worship the white women, not sure who is worse here, the indian/pakistanis or the blacks, its as if they have one item on their bucket list-a white woman, having one is at the core of their being. I cant stand living here amongst the filth.

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Everyone in toronto wants a white gf. Except latinos. They want latino gfs.

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Eight years is a very long time for a company to change, especially one of this nature. Imagine someone writing an article today about YOU eight years ago. Obviously you haven’t done much research besides Strauss’ slanted view of Tyler in The Game, and a workshop eight years ago.

They teach the “spam approach” to newbies to condition them quickly to learn how to approach and be okay with rejection, which can and will happen. The mid to upper level material focuses more on inner game and attitude.

I enjoy most of RSD’s material and SOME of your material, but shit like this reminds me of the fact that you didn’t get much play in college, and your writing often reflects that.

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I don’t think approaching is restricted solely to PUA’s. Over New Years, all of my friends, none of whom are PUA’s were approaching like zombies and getting shot down left and right.

These guys certainly add an element of bitchiness to women, since they treat them like prized commodities, but the fact of the matter is that young, pretty women have set the bar extremely high.

I’d posit that if you’re not top 5% of guys in terms of overall attractiveness, those being money, physical stature, and personality, then night clubs are a horrible option for you unless you’re looking for scraping the bottom of the barrel. These are the guys who will end up jaded.

Most guys I know are well-aware of what Game is and some basic tenets. Everybody has googled “how to get girls in a bar” at one point or another and they’ve picked up on some material. Guys don’t want to be told that the path to sexual salvation involves years of improving your stock in life.

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On a side note, for the more advanced, Owen’s videos(Tyler from RSD) on his youtube channel have been pretty cool, at least for me.

A lot of them are focused on the merger of game and personal development, especially in terms of the mentality that “experienced players” have, or should have, not only about pick up but about life. Highly recommended.

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After I read The Game, it naturally followed on to RSD, and I eagerly pirated all of their pickup material for a year or two.

Thin on practical actionable tactics, but heavy on mantras such as “the self is always coming through”, and “feel the glow”, it creates an almost cult-like level of fervent devotion amongst its followers.

I definitely took something away from my dalliance with RSD – discovering Eckhart Tolle helped me to recognise my ego for the negative influence that it was at the time (it’s my best friend now, and bulletproof) – but in general, it’s not very helpful for newbies. “Looks don’t matter at all” – yeah, right, good advice guys.

Any moron can get lucky if they approach enough girls, but actually pulling the ones you genuinely are attracted to is where the skill lies.

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I agree but this is the problem with all Pua shit. They only thing that is kind of value is pushing guys to approach. I think Pua is now changing because a lot of men did so and the results totally disprove any Pua claim. I would hire a Pua artist if he comes to town I get him to play to the same shitty conditions I am stuck with.

Yes of course I can move away. But stupid Pua Guru kind of thinks that a job just comes along with me, being unemployed does not afford anyone to have a great game.

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I wouldn’t blame it on RSD, Toronto is just full of pedestalized chicks. Girls are getting fatter and more guys are hitting on them – life is sweet for the fatties.

If you are on an island with only fat girls, you will want to fuck the most attractive fat one. She may be disgusting in the beginning, but after a week with no sex you will think about it. That is what many non game guys have to do.

RSD created a small army of serial approachers that have an impact on the nightlife there. I approached many hundreds of chicks. Imagine 2 thousand guys doing 10 approaches, 2 nights a week, that is more than 2 million approaches. That will add up and elevate girl’s egos.

The guys that don’t have game will be worse off because they can’t compete in the arms race.

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RSD is not the problem, it’s the symptom.

“but you have to work on yourself, too. You have to lift weights, read, and take on interesting hobbies. You have to improve your overall social skills instead of merely ignoring women’s responses.”

roosh, i do these things, i am these things, but the women i cold approach at night don’t care. at the new year’s event i went to in toronto, i approached 15+ women. i got nothing. to say “work on molding yourself into a truly cool guy” doesn’t help. it doesn’t matter how much of a truly cool guy you are when 80% of your approaches are destined to fail in the first 90 seconds.

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I share your experience.

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And I bet none of the shithead guru’s really responded because they suck and cannot live up to their claims.

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NYE is probably the single worst day of the year to be out doing this stuff…..

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Well, to be devils advocate, while using what you describe permanently is insane, the idea behind that sort of shit is not to pickup women, it is to stop them from being afraid of women and to change personality somewhat. While with your brother, if he’s not a dweeb from the start, he’ll only need a few pointers in the right direction. Like we true denialists say, it’s not that game doesn’t exist, it’s that 80% of it can be described on a couple of pages. And for a 16 year old it’s definitely a much better approach and that’s what “having male role models” woes are about. He’s lucky to have you.

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We all were raised to be chumps by this anti-Caucasian male society. (Look at who owns all the media, and what they are doing to Europe and the refugee weapon at the time of this writing…)
Crashing and burning wasnt great and was counterproductive to building approach confidence. What guys, newbies, need is to have some small successes, a woman smiling, being polite even if she isn’t interested.
I moved on from tehre. Frankly, what really got my mojo up was living overseas, which meant not putting up with crap, being out of an anti-Caucasian male environment. Even to this day, I can’t handle 6 pleasant rejections in a night or 4 nasty ones.
Spam approach, like Roosh says, leads to burnout. Kids should start low, foreign girls and fat chicks, move up from there.

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Online dating yields better results for me because it works for itself while i’m busy taking care of my interests. I’m lucky to live in the northeast where there are thousands of women to choose from and they jump at the opportunity to find a real man with goals, maturity, and masculinity. My only problem is there are too many women to pursue in a realistic manner. I was even approached to become a prospect for a matchmaking service where successful women choose from a pool of men.

I read your books Roosh and watched the rsd youtube videos and I like what rsd is doing with their stuff lately. They’ve seemed to make it more about constantly improving yourself and make women a secondary focus of a man’s life, which is the way it should be. Getting laid is great, but should never be the be all end all in life.

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what if you do not get laid at all? I agree it should not be all that important but having none i cannot fully agree with you.

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Partly, what are seeing with rsd is selection bias. The kind of people who gravitate to a program that teaches “looks ( and bynextention other traditional chick pull factors like money and status ) don’t matter” are exactly the ones for whom shotgun approaching is likely the optimal strategy. For Brad Pitt, not so much.

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So the Blackie and Paki men are worshipping the ivory goddess?

What about the Black and South Asian WOMEN?

Lonely and unappreciated?

Rollo Tomassi
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This type of saturation approaching appeals to the MMO gaming subculture. It’s like you can go run quests in World of Warcraft to level up, or you can simply go ‘grind’ on mobs of monsters to get experience.

Sure, you level up, but are you really playing the Game?

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more shitting on competitors please

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Interesting post. I tend to fall on both sides of the issue here, since I listen to both what Roosh and TD have to say. Even though I have my own style (which, apparently is some sort of hybrid between the two) I will say a few things about what RSD teaches that seems to be misunderstood:

1) The way you’re describing it is what Strauss wanted you to believe about TD and RSD circa 2003 or whenever the book was set. Today they aren’t out there strictly advocating “beastmode shotgun approach everyone in sight with no regard for what you’re actually doing” type shit. If you just apply what Strauss wanted you to believe about RSD from reading The Game, then the result would be a ton of guys described in Toronto running around not knowing how to actually connect with anyone, let alone a girl.

2) I go out in Hollywood quite a bit and I have seen Julien and guys running bootcamps. Even their students, who are presumably more inexperienced than the instructors, it wasn’t noticable that they were doing anything “over the top” that would get them kicked out of the bar. Not saying that couldn’t happen, but they way you described it was like a guy rolling into a bar, mosh pit style, grabbing and yanking around every girl in sight yelling at her to get on her knees lol! Nothing like that.

Go watch new TD videos on youtube if you are going to give a fair critique of what he’s about. Sounds like you’ve taken a sample of his “disciples” who probably aren’t getting laid in Toronto and formed your opinion around that. In all honesty, he (and anyone else that has an ounce of sense about how to connect with a girl) is saying a lot of the same things that you are, albeit in a different voice.

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I don’t have any inside track on RSD bootcamps but if that’s how they really are, it’s insane. Total fucking morons.

I do like their DVD products, though.

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RSD is a failure because their students don’t get laid.

They teach nerds to mass approach, which causes mass rejection.

If they taught nerds how to have a charming personality BEFORE mass approaching, they would be legit, but they go the other way around.

Mass approaching doesn’t make you cool, seriously. Gay meditation about inner game doesn’t either.

RSD is a cult, because it gives false promises and says it doesn’t work because you’re not sticking with it, which is not true. It’s not the fault of the student when the teaching has no value whatsoever.

Anybody can tell you “go talk to a 1000 girls”.

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Is following the RSD method worse than jacking off to porn 2x a day, watching jewish-liberal TV/movies and playing video games? If not, then it’s not hurting young men.

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This is why you turn off so many followers. When you divide people by religion and race just like the media does, when we are all fighting for the same goal, creates unnecessary rifts away from otherwise equals.

Example: I’m Jewish, so fuck you

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It’s interesting that I basically do the exact opposite of this. I focus on intelligent “target selection,” and on QUALITY approaches over quantity. And, I’m probably more successful–with a fraction of the effort and stress–than a sizable majority of these “human spammers.” I’m afraid that this type of “game” is cannibalizing other men by further polluting an already heavily drained pool of available, serviceable girls. If you think the Western dating scene is shit-show NOW, just wait a few years.

This is the perfect storm.

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Give some more background on your game, how do you look and what other circumstances you are in!

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I think Toronto is the problem. Long before PUA’s ran wild in that city (as well as some other Canadian cities I am familiar with) hope was already lost.

Toronto likes to consider itself the NYC of Canada, or at least that’s definitely what many women believe (just ask them). Sex and the City culture started it and it has just picked up steam from there.

The girl I dated in Toronto for a brief time was easily the worst woman I had ever met. Her friends were just as evil. This was about 6 or 7 years ago (shortly before the book The Game came out). I recall the ex complaining how I didn’t put her up on a pedastal like her ex boyfriends. She also brought up examples of men adoring her friends with ridiculous gifts and attention. That told me then all I needed to know.

Running around hitting on every girl that looks remotely attractive just feeds the machine. The girls have the men trapped there. I can’t see things turning around. I feel bad for any single guy reaching the age of 25 in Toronto. Ditto for large parts of Canada and while we’re at it, large parts of America. However, I’ve never experienced anything like what I saw during my times in Toronto.

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No way can I believe TOronto is this bad. Try a rust belt, all male city. That’s hell.

Anyway, I did go up to Toronto recently, after a ten year hiatus. Yeah, the place is worse. All the new development is strictly a funciton of criminal Chinese/INdian oligarchs buying condos. All the industry buildings are the same from 2004.

I also noticed the women were more fat and the anti-Caucasian ideology (unilateral muliticulturalism) was rife. Still, I say Canada is what it’s always been, minus the demographic shift towards Chinese/Indian, 8 years behind the USA.

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I went to school in Buffalo (the epidomy of the rust belt) and I’ve had no issues meeting women outside of college. Not have nearly as much success in NYC, and that’s with added experience and study of game.

Mostly, my goals aren’t aligned with most women here. My mindset is more ‘conservative’ (marriage, kids, the like) while most people in larger cities are comfortable waiting until much later in life.

Also, less people means less competition. It’s more of a friend-meet-friend culture, less around clubbing and pickup.

Unlike NYC, there’s plenty of proletariat things to do to meet people and make friends, like sports (crazy fans), public events, and overall friendly atmosphere to strangers (most people spend the weekend hanging with friends around bars).

So yeah, game is harder, but that’s because the culture is different and doesn’t require it.

If only my career path had jobs up there sad

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@27

That’s really funny because I’ve gotten laid from RSD principles and strategies.

Expecting instant results on their boot camps, while possible, is a sure way to be disappointed.

The point of mass approaching is to increase your failure rate faster so that you can gain more experience and fine-tune your approach.

It’s interesting that you also don’t offer any advice on approaching.

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Western men have become completely powerless over women. Just the fact that you have to “learn” to get women is a symptom of that.

Mass cold approaching (mass rejection) is great in that it might open more men’s eyes as to how powerless they have become. Other than that its just like street begging but for pussy which only raises its price.

A better advice for a young man is to get established financially and expat. Don’t follow the herd.

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What age would one be when they are financially secure to expat–late forties at the earliest? Working abroad ruined my career, but it did cause me to not be a pussy. However, it also caused me to not to be married when I was forced to work back ‘home.’ I don’t recommend a stint abroad if you are going to go to a high stress/work career. You need to be pussified for that role.

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Yo gotta have something the chicks want. Forget self improvement or working out as a means to get skags. Do all of those things for you, not them. To get with the chicks, simply bring a gram of coke; now you’re an instant PUA! Because at some point dignity and self respect has to take precedence over being shot down 1000 times.

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QUOTE DILLON: “Mass cold approaching (mass rejection) is great in that it might open more men’s eyes as to how powerless they have become. Other than that its just like street begging but for pussy which only raises its price”

Damned straight. If there is one thing RSD can offer is what Dillon said. It’s perhaps aversion therapy. After a certain number of approaches and instant rejections one will gain a moment of clarity that is very much like that of a drunk who wakes up one too many times in his own vomit. It’s then he will realize the problem is not him, but man hating cultures.

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Sometimes I wonder if members of the so called “manosphere” even GO OUT anymore. Some women will reject you no matter what. Some will just like you.

All of this “red pill” and “blue pill” nonsense is starting to really turn me off to many blogs. It seems like bloggers are devoting too much time to bitching about how women suck and how other educational sources suck and how society sucks, and offering less and less actionable advice. More stuff like what Bold & Determined has, and less whining and bitching RooshV “waaaaahhhh flipflops” shit.

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On New Years friends called in a favour and asked me to be “Face Control” at a upscale club. I got booted and suited for the job which is far different from the usual meathead /roid approach that most clubs take these days…I was draped in women all night and all morning, free drinks, greased the crowed for $500 and went home with a hot Asian chick (I’m not into Asians but she was smoking). There are many ways to skin the cat, Gentlemen I present you with method #18364AB3. Send the cheque to Roosh.

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This trend is the natural result of oversupply of RSD type approach and the marketplace.

PUA tactics are failing because the market is now saturated with PUA running quite the same game. So, the female demand for attention and entertainment is now on the decline. What worked before worked brilliantly. But now all but the most remote and undiscovered venues have seen game and had game run on it’s population.

Just like with the over-perscription of antibiotics, too much of a good thing has led to resistance, and new super-bug type resistance to game has developed as the female population is adapting to the new norm.

As more and more guys understand game and try to use it, they’ll do so with diminishing returns. Females are becoming immune to it. They read the manosphere as well and disseminate our best intelligence at 10x the speed we’re acquiring new ways to attack.

Is it possible that were going to hit saturation, at which point perfect game results in a frustrating night of masturbation? I see it coming.

Women are an organism made up of individual females. They’re simply adapting and putting up super-cockblock and super-bitch shield type resistance to the old, overused vaccinations. Maybe penicillin still works in palces that have never seen antibiotics, but now days we must rely on a whole host of very powerful drugs to have the same affect.

So it is with game. Take game to places where it’s not as saturated, adapt it, and it still works. However, the Internet has brought the world together with just a few clicks. And I imagine that non-western women will become westernized simply by reading the utter crap spewed by the west on the blogosphere.

The only long-term solution as I see it is to upset the supply and demand ratios so that women will understand the NEED for men, and treat them as the special commodity we are. Unfortunately, as long as the M/F ratios are fairly equal (within 5%) and most of the males are betas, which by definition it always will be, then we’ll have to look for a “miracle cure” to treat the disease of western feminism.
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I don’t think RSD actually pushes students to approach THAT crazily, but Tyler from RSD says virtually in every video that he’s been going out 7 nights a week for the past 11 or 12 years. That’s just not possible for 99% of people.

Tyler has one very good saying that all guys in the game need to listen to, that newbies should put down all their internet reading and spend their first year in the game approaching a lot.

I’ve met a large number of guys in “the community”, a lot of them virtually never approach but keep accounts on game forums and have overly bitter attitudes towards women despite never having had any actual bad experiences with them that you’d expect would warrant that. The culprit is reading too much Heartiste.

While going out as heavily as some RSD guys do is crazy and unhealthy, a lot of guys in this side of the game community don’t approach very much. There needs to be a happy medium.

Sidenote: There’s a lot of very valuable stuff in RSD’s Free Tour videos on Youtube that more Roosh readers ought to check out.

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Tyler frequently says that he has to work insane hours. So these impossible “7 nights a week for the past 11 or 12 years. That’s just not possible for 99% of people” are thirty minutes long.

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Approaching like a machine is a fear that betas (and most people in society) need to get over. You know the old saying, you lose 100% of the chances you never take.

Heck, even the 5% guys have approach anxiety.

The sales analogy holds here. To get started, you cold call and network like crazy. Once you’ve done your work, leads and business start to come in. After you’ve been in business awhile, the old leads bring in new leads. Once you achieve a certain level of success you don’t even need to cold call anymore, but you still should.

It keeps you sharp.

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It”s not just anxiety. After systematic abuse in a Republican small town, I have mostly overcome that…and it wasn’t through ‘game’ (like men never hit on chicks before 2003?)
What still pisses me off is being blown off by obviously inferior chicks with no class in the blowing off. A further point, what really riles me is when chicks from cultures that value men adopt and project our anti-male values on my interaction, particularly Japanese (I-hate-Japan) chicks that make up the majority in the West. My old j-job body gets violent when the disrespect is ocassionally outrageous.

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One other thing that hasn’t been mentioned here that’s pretty darn important. Looks, style and personality. Working out and developing interests is great, but you really have to know how to push the right buttons to get the result you want.

I’m not gonna go into detail, you’ll need to figure it out. Just working out and developing an interest in Jazz music and Italian cooking isn’t going to cut it, i’m sorry.

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That style will always come across as lewd. I’m not even sure it will get you over “proper” approach anxiety because it sounds like it lacks any foundation.

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“Yes TRR, the minorities in tor are pathetic, only the east asian men do not worship the white women, not sure who is worse here, the indian/pakistanis or the blacks, its as if they have one item on their bucket list-a white woman, having one is at the core of their being. I cant stand living here amongst the filth.”

You sound like a desperate Chink.

Indians are either Aryan or Dravidian. The 500 million or so Aryans are Indo-European people whose holiest symbols are shubh/lal/swastikas and whose holy books are the (rg)Eddas, same as the Norse Eddas. There are another 500 million or so Dravidians who speak Tamil and are from the South.

Toronto has both kinds.

Pakistanis are Muslim muds.

And Asians ? Those are mongoloids, barely even human. Why on earth would they even be considered by caucasian (let alone aryan) women ?

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Let’s cut the early 20th Century eugenics stuff. Both Chinese and Indians are rife in corruption, theft, low empathy, and are very exclusive to outside groups, but Chinese chicks are hot, more productive, less racist, and less corrupt. You can’t even marry into an Indian/Muslim family as a Caucasian, even if the former had a dating culture. I’ll take E. Asian any day.

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There are worse places than Toronto (take Brussels, Copenhagen or Dubai as example). You should also make the difference between the mentality of the people and the M/F ratios. RSD-style can still work if you have only bad ratios, which explains the existence of pua’s in Toronto. If it would be totally unsuccessful then they would stop doing it. In Copenhagen or Brussels you will not find many pua’s but despite the good ratios cold approaching is not socially accepted.

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Bullshit…W. Europe is a paradise compared to USA/Canada/UK in every facet. Enjoy it for another few years until it turns into a Caliphate.

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@ 28 great post.

Toronto seems to fall under pareto law, 80% of the women want 20% of the men. Women are simply looking to latch onto “Mr Big” who will profess his dying love for a ugly “Carrie”.

The RSD method seems silly to me, it is similar to a nigerian money scam. Sure you are going to get takers but what are they going to be like.

Toronto is hard, sorry damn hard. You have to be very creative, find a niche, take a course, take salsa lessons, take cooking lessons, visit art shows or my favourite university libraries to study.

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Logistics: Move to a neighborhood going through gentrification. There will always be more professional/grad student women than men, and the hoodlum/thugs lurking about encourages the chicks to try to find a decent boyfriend very fast. I could not believe the amount of girls who “elderly opened” me at cafes and bars the first week I moved here (an area of Brooklyn,NYC that shall remain nameless). I really feel sorry for guys who are not following Rooshes’ advice.

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That’s the good and bad with RSD. I have a close wing whose touring with RSD and becoming a protege, and he’s good, but he’s dedicating everything to RSD. RSD is a cult, but the guys I’ve met from RSD are the coolest most normal dudes out of all other schools of thoughts in PUA.

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Very interesting. Lots going on here..

I recently discovered RSD. Lots of cool videos and articles.

Obviously, approaching alot is important in the beginning to get over the fear and build some experience. But, over time, we should be able to get results from less approaches.

My opinion is that Tyler is actually into self help more then sex. He sells the feeling and actualization of empowerment and fearlessness. That is his business -giving guys confidence and a sense of power. (not necessarily getting laid)

He uses approaching as a confidence building and fear removing tool.

There is a bit of a cult aspect but hey, same with Nike, Starbucks, and Apple.

That being said, too many guys approaching, too much in a small areas = bad for game and bad for all guys!

Quality over quantity.

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http://realmikaelryan.blogspot.com

RSD sucks. making every night like holidays. it’s for amateurs.

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I have tremendous respect for the freakish abilities, theory and pace of evolution of RSD instructors, and at the same time agree 100% with what you’re saying here. Well said.

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Quality over quantity. Just like car sales it’s all about the closing ratio. Forget pounding the pavement when you can hone your skills and work smarter instead of harder.