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Polish Guy
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Roosh, you need to teach us how to make money like this http://twilightoftheidols.org/how-to-make-over-5000mo-from-fake-news/

Kevin Koolidge
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That story is fake.

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Really good vid thanks. Question I have, hope you’ll be able to answer.

What if a dude isn’t getting his needs met in that he’s not getting laid because for example he’s extremely ugly? Would you advise that he just accept that he probably won’t get laid and try to be content? Or should he put effort in to try to get rich or learn game or something or other means of self improvement in the hope that he’ll eventually be able to pick up a girl?

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What do you think?
Do you think as a man it is OK to accept as default that you failed in one of the resons we are on this planet and have a life: to procreate? To lay down crying, without a fight, waiting for death?
Or is it better for a man to accept the challenge, hit the gym, make money, and learn game?
You decide. But being ugly is not your problem: if anyone’s, then it is the girl’s problem, but who cares? Let them suffer, LOL
Self-improvement is the game we all play here on the Manosphere, no matter where we start genetically.
I hope this helps. Good luck!

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I think I agree but Roosh’s thoughts in this vid contradict that.

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First step is to sleep with “ugly” girls on your level, get the hang of game and closing the deal, then make a decision after that.

Most guys who have a question like yours aren’t actually ugly, but have confidence problems that a normal game program can help solve. Google “Roosh program”.

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Well let’s assume we’re talking about actual really ugly dudes. I just have a hard time reconciling the “don’t worry, be yourself” way of thinking you describe in the video when it’s applied to guys like that.

It seems the first line in your response is suggesting that the guy should in fact put effort in to self improvement, so that he can meet the need of getting laid. Maybe the whole “there’s no need for self improvement” line of thinking only applies after your needs are met, which is why it’s surfacing for you now, and isn’t appropriate for say a 25 year old virgin.

I think the natural path for him is the struggle of self improvement, whereas the enlightened contentment described in your vid is only available/viable at times when needs are truly met.

This is something I think about often so would love to hear more from you on it. It just seems to me that nature/reality is brutal and such contentment is not possible/extremely difficult for some people thanks to their unfortunate genetic luck. On the other hand, it comes easy to those who had a high rank from the get-go.

If you had heard the contents of this video when you were 22, and had full trust in the person giving you the advice, can you really say you’d forget about putting in massive effort to get laid and just “live” as you described? Or is it necessary to achieve what you’ve achieved in terms of getting needs met before you can appreciate the ideas in the vid?

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I think his words make sense in context. Roosh is far away before us, he already has the journey behind him, he is at peace with himself. And I would say he does not mean there is a way around self-improvement. Even if he does, this is not the Gospel, this blog is not the Bible, he does not speak with the mouth of the Holy Spirit. He is a great man indeed, a lot of us has a lot to thank him, myself included. But I do not think he means that everybody should follow him, copycatting him. There is only one Roosh V in this world. We have to follow our own paths. We should think over what he says, and decide if it is ok for us what he advises or not. Thats it.

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Looks/asthetics/appearence/ for Men doesn’t matter that much, superficially it may seem like a big deal, you think when you’re young ” Man, all the handsome guys are getting laid, and i’m not” but the truth is…well.. just google billionaires and millionaire’s with younger wives, and there are some “ugly” old dudes with young beautiful wives. Heck, look at Harvey weinstein and his wife, think she’d be with him if he was the garbage Man(?) think again. Those old “ugly” rich guys probably had tons of chicks before they were married too. Men shouldn’t allow their physical appearance to be the determining factor in their self worth, a Man’s worth is in his accomplishments, and not in his appearance, and if a Mans worth($) is alot, then the women will be after him whether he is ugly or not won’t make a lick of difference if the Man is rich. Think a woman will turn down a Man in a Lambo? Don’t worship money though, worship God… a Man who is successful financially, is successful with women. The beauty of this, is that while not every Man is born with the gift of beauty, every Man has the ability to work hard and can become succesful if he wants, and success is very attractive to women.

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Yes, Roosh, but a normal game program, following the “Roosh Program”, by definition, IS self-improvement!

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Expatriate to a location where your looks are seen as more exotic and ratios between the sexes are more favorable to men. Find a way to put the odds in your favor. Forget chasing money it’s a waste of time. Figure out a way to earn a location independent income working only enough to support your lifestyle. Seek out more important pursuits in life than getting a bigger stack of paper. If you’re not happy now and can meet your basic needs, no amount of money will change that. You’ll always be wanting more and never be content with what you have, even if it’s more than 99% of the population. Your social circle will change with increases in wealth and you’ll compare yourself to those around you who have more than you do.

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It’s a lot of work for kids too, and they are usually much less time efficient than adults because the practice isn’t as condensed or as grueling. Assuming a very conservative spend of half an hour of formal practice a day (e.g. parents reading with them and forcing them to recall names of objects), by age 6 they will have 1100 hours of practice, not including preschool/formal education/general everyday immersion which puts the total hours of work invested well into the multiple thousands.

It’s more natural for them to pick up difficult/subtle sounds because their brain is more plastic as a young child, but it’s a total whiff of reality to think getting from 0 to complex sentences doesn’t take them thousands of hours of study and practice. An adult can make language learning more fun by hiring people, taking it slow, or moving to another country but it’s going to cost more and less sweat means slower learning.

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Dunno Roosh – I hear what you are saying, but if you never self-improved, would you embarked on writing? Would we be reading Dead Bat ? And your blog?

But indeed you are corrrect that modern day self improvement for older guys means unlearning the stupid shit we’ve been taught since grammar school – and instead simply develop critical thinking.

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The difference between the Rose and Man, is the Rose has no choice but to become a Rose, while a Man decides who he will become.

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Is buying a new shirt considered self improvement? How about shaving? How does a guy with such horrible hygiene/style give game advice? How does someone who was a self-admitted male virgin until his mid twenties stop chasing poon in his mid thirties? This guy gives of a creepy, autistic vibe in addition to his horrible style. Self-promotion should be this guys niche not game.

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Interesting post Roosh. But let me ask you this: is self-improvement unnecessary, or is mainstream society’s version of self-improvement unnecessary? I believe the latter. The fact that you are challenging the nonsense you’ve been fed, letting go of all the “junk” is self-improvement. It’s real self-improvement. I am a 22 year old college student, and I most certainly agree that the information and processes they teach are junk. I will waste an absurd amount of time studying for the CPA exam to make more money, because society defines passing the test as self-improvement. However, by constantly analyzing social trends and recognizing these flaws in the system, I am self-improving. I am gaining an understanding of life, exploring through existential crisis. Self-improvement is necessary – and as you state – it occurs naturally as we grow. People just misunderstand what it truly is.

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Ah I see you went and listened to Alan Watts.

Tom Colton
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Self improvement is just directed learning. Look, why do we travel? Because we can grow organically at home right?

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Self-improvement comes in many forms and for many reasons. We must agree that the new definition of self-improvement tends to divert from how it was initially taught to us. But essentially, improving yourself is part of human nature’s desire to grow and be better.

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Depends. Self improvement is a very general term. Getting better at something you are interested in takes work; working on game is self improvement too! I am a musician who plays professionally, and a big part of my development (the gladwellian hours) was simply trying to get better because i ENJOYED it! It doesn’t have to feel like work.i think that roosh here is saying that growing as a person should not be framed in the perspective of ‘self help’. It should be natural and organic, and at the end of it all, you can turn around and say ‘damn! Nailed it’. just make sure you find your endeavors fulfilling.

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You’ve kind of reached the point where you are at your own summit. I’m the same way right now wink It’s good to know your limits, and you seem smart enough to have learned on your own journey even while teaching others.

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and lets face it, if all this guy did was girl stuff, there’s only so much you can say about girls, he’s wise to expand to a more metaphorical level from using game as a jumping off point.

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I’ve had a somewhat similar journey, girls motivated me to figure out a lot in life, but now I’m kinda like where you are, where self emprovement has lost it’s fun. I don’t know exactly if that means I’m enlightened or broken. But in my case my goals were learning skills that I will posess forever, and I guess at a certain point we have enough.

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no dude you are not part of a problem. You have accomplished something, it required self improvement to do it. I know the exact feeling you describe of looking in the mirror and saying, hey you’re all right, and not feeling any need to elevate my game because it’s good enough for my own personal goals. I figured all the same stuff you are talking about on my own, before there were internet videos like yours to help us, but I think you are doing a real service by helping people save a lot of time. Just think though, it’s fine to want to self improve, at one point maybe one day you’ll just be happy with yourself. It seems like you are almost there..

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This isn’t step one though, people really should follow through your whole series of videos to get to this point.

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Sorry, I’m like live blogging this, but if you hadn’t self improved you wouldn’t have gotten laid nearly as much. And if you hadn’t you probably wouldnt feel as good when you look on the mirror. You see like you’re in a bit of a funk here, your needs are met also because you self improved. You got to a plateau that is a good place for you, that’s part of getting old if you are doing it right wink

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It’s good that finding things you can enjoy enough to learn without really trying is the best way to go, and removing junk is also a very wise move, but it’s part of a growth process. Beginners shouldn’t start with this philosophy or they will wind up in a gutter. It’s not a point that you can reach immediately with a pretty long mental journey.